Strange "To each his own" in Russia

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Recently, the Internet has boiled so strongly at the news that the former governor of the Ivanovo region, Mikhail Men, was released.

Indeed, on May 17, the Tverskoy Court of the city of Moscow, where, at the request of the prosecutor's office, the case from Ivanovo was transferred, terminated the criminal case of Mikhail Men, an auditor of the Accounts Chamber, who once held the post of governor of the Ivanovo region. Well, plus, as very evil tongues say - a close friend of the former president and prime minister Dmitry Medvedev.

Alexander Men. Photo http://council.gov.ru

Somehow you immediately smelled of Serdyukovism, no?

Okay, just note - "justice has been done." Lawyer Murad Musayev will inform the press that the criminal case was closed due to the statute of limitations.

And here just great questions begin somewhere, up there.

Mikhail Menu was charged with a crime in accordance with article 160, part 4 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. In 2011, Men and his accomplices (the former First Deputy Prime Minister of the Ivanovo Region Pavel Konkov and the director of JSC "Ivanovsky Broiler" Dmitry Grishin) stole about 700 million rubles from the budget of the Ivanovo Region.

In 2011, Men, acting with the aforementioned persons, by prior conspiracy, being the governor, organized a criminal group to steal budget funds allocated as a loan from the Ministry of Finance to support the Ivanovo region.

On the direct instructions of Me, the Ivanovo Regional Duma adopted a number of normative legal acts, seemingly in support of the regional economy. On the basis of these acts, JSC "Ivanovsky Broiler" received 700 million rubles in loans. The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation believes that this money was stolen literally the next day and taken out by the criminal group Me.

In November 2020, Me and my accomplices were detained. On November 19, the court left him virtually at large under the prohibition of certain actions: he was forbidden to communicate with certain people, use the Internet and communications, and was allowed to leave the house only for two hours a day. And on April 20, he was transferred altogether on recognizance not to leave.

Indeed, ours is not 1937 ...

Well, in the end, everyone was released due to the end of the statute of limitations.

But story with 700 million rubles stolen, this does not end there. Some media outlets happily stated that the damage done by Men and his accomplices is not damage at all, because it will be compensated.

Think Menem? Yes of course. Men still pretend not to understand what happened. And he does not consider himself guilty one iota.

710 million of the debt of "Ivanovsky Broiler" to the funds will be repaid by a certain group "Prodo". On whose accounts part of the funds received by the factory went.

And what is the Prodo group? And this is a large food holding controlled by the investment company Millhouse Capital, owned by ... Roman Abramovich!

What happens in the end? Ivanovsky Broiler takes out a loan. Money scatters offshore, the factory is declared bankrupt. Here good managers of Prodo appear and simply buy out the Ivanovskiy Broiler factory for the money that they had previously helped to steal.

We can congratulate the Prodo group on the fact that almost free of charge it received the factory, which was brought to bankruptcy by its own actions, at its disposal.

Handsomely? Handsomely. And most importantly - everything is according to the law!

The press service of the region happily gives interviews that 710 million rubles will go to the budget for "socially significant projects", the managers of "Prodo" are happily silent, taking another enterprise in their hands for free, Men is also happily silent, coming out dry with Grishin and Konkov.

I have a question: in one of the interviews, representatives of the Investigative Committee happily said that "they have concrete proof of the guilt of Me and his accomplices." But whether the concrete was bought in the wrong place, or the iron turned out to be Chinese, it's hard to say. But for some reason, hands did not reach, or something else prevented the investigation of the case of the theft of 700 million rubles.

In general, while the UK was rummaging through the "reinforced concrete" evidence, time has passed. 10 years have passed and Men, Konkov and Grishin were released from criminal liability for what they had done.

Truly, not condemned - not a thief.

For comparison: on May 19, the verdict was announced to Nikolai Platoshkin. A well-known Soviet and Russian diplomat, historian and political scientist, socialist public and political figure.

Nikolai Platoshkin (Photo: press service of the Gagarin Court of Moscow)

According to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, Platoshkin deliberately persuaded citizens to violate epidemiological restrictions in order to create riots. According to the prosecution, he distributed video and audio materials on social networks that contained false information "about the political and economic situation in the country and the ineffectiveness of the actions of the authorities and local governments to support the economy and fight the coronavirus infection."

Platoshkin, who did not admit his guilt, was sentenced to 5 years of suspended imprisonment and a fine of 700 rubles.

What Platoshkin published on the Internet, today, quite expectedly, has been deleted. Therefore, today it is difficult to take and once again comprehend what Platoshkin called for. However, there are many opinions on this topic. Many experts and analysts studied his speeches and found nothing of the kind in them.

By the way, the first examination came to the conclusion that there were no extremist appeals in the video materials. However, the politician was detained and a second, more understandable, examination was appointed. She, naturally, found everything that was required by the investigation.

I applaud the prosecutor. The requirement for six years in prison and half a million in fine for words is great! If Navalny was judged in this way for his films and videos, they would have counted three life sentences. But that's Navalny.

There is an obvious overkill. Abroad, where, according to our state mass media, complete censorship and lawlessness, they are imprisoned, forgive me, for deeds. And in Europe, and in America, and in Asia. For deeds, not words.

Why, I would like to ask why all those supporters of Navalny, who called for unauthorized rallies, did not receive the deadline? Why was Platoshkin tried, who called for the participation of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on lawful rallies?

Because Nikolai Platoshkin is an intelligent person. Not like Navalnovsky, broadcasting according to manuals written quite far away. Platoshkin himself will write a manual for anyone.

An intelligent person in opposition is dangerous. Moreover, an intelligent socialist. Left. And it is customary for us not to stand on ceremony with the left. For them, Europe and the United States will not declare sanctions, they are in many ways smart and understanding guys, so they are imprisoned. Therefore, Platoshkin had to be urgently removed from the political arena.

700 thousand is a pretty strong move. And five years probation. All this reliably removes Platoshkin from political life, and perhaps will not give him the opportunity to continue teaching.

It’s interesting for us, in such a great Russia, right? He stole millions - the main thing is to make a smart face and stretch out the time. Enlisting the support of someone in the upper echelons. Well, or "fitting" a good piece to the powerful of this world like Abramovich. They will not leave in zeal ...

But if you decided to criticize the authorities - yes, this is a crime. Especially if you criticize wisely, and not according to a stupid script written overseas. The dumb script gets smashed to smithereens by everyone very well. Clever ... Clever is more difficult.

Nikolai Platoshkin did not make any real calls for radical action. Everything that was arranged with him is just a message for everyone who does not agree with the authorities. If you don't like it, it will be like this. Information for thought, so to speak.

Nikolai Platoshkin may have spoken too harshly about the problems in the country. Yes, my personal opinion is that he was very "carried away" at times. But it was reasoned and clever. So what happened to him is a signal for everyone whose opinion is at least slightly, but at odds with the official point of view of the state regarding the position in the world, and in the socio-economic sphere, and in culture.

Double standards - alas, we take far from the best from the West. Therefore, one received at least a suspended, but not a conditional fine, it is not entirely clear for what, the second will enjoy freedom and prospects, despite the stolen 700 million.

This is how interesting it is in Russia today.

Comments

[Grandfather]

This is how interesting it is in Russia today.

not interesting Roman, but scary ... we fly into the abyss.

[210ox]

And we fly STABLY. Where will citizens have respect for this power? When does our "righteousness" work this way? And people are remembered sometimes, before the elections.

[Machito]

I will not be surprised if I am awarded the State Award for the stolen 700 million rubles, for example, the Order of the Golden Fleece.

[Stas157]

... Why, I would like to ask why all those supporters of Navalny, who called for unauthorized rallies, did not receive the deadline?

Yes, it seems, and so unprecedentedly brutally rallies were dispersed, but in terms of the number of landings in general, a record ... Should it have been even tougher?

... Why was Platoshkin tried, who called for the participation of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on lawful rallies?

No time for ceremonies. All this is in the past. The dictatorship does not allow for a different response.

Unfortunately, it was incomparably easier to remove Platoshkin than Navalny. There were no rallies and no international support. There were no problems at all.

[VORON538]

Everything is easier
Navalny is for capitalism, Platoshkin is against capitalism
Whether the world capitalists will support those who are against them, of course not. And the bulk is quite happy with them, besides, he can return to Russia the very "saints" for some individuals of the 90s, when the Westerners did what they wanted, when the shooting the streets were commonplace, and advisers from the Western intelligence services helped carry out the "privatization."

[zenion]

Stas157. The reason is that a return to the USSR abroad is not needed, but such a Russia, which is on a leash, all the money is there, is very necessary. The main thing is that they pretend that they will defend this capitalism in Russia and even fight those who disagree with Russia. And those who over the hill pretend that they are very afraid. But they are afraid of Platoshkin and his truth, but these do as filibusters in the service of their majesties, and Platoshkin is terrible. They say what is, not fantastic achievements.

[Proxima]

Yes, all these are flowers. They stole 700 million or simply wrested it semi-legally. Planted or not planted. Here for the murder of a pedophile they give 8 years... Moreover, this scum has already served 11 years for pedophilia. And, as they say, to freedom with a clear conscience and again rape children. I have two minors, God forbid, someone has something with a phone and my wife and I rush to the walls, we remember all the saints. That's what's scary !!!! And let this Menu be given at least an order, spit ...

[Machito]

It is necessary to castrate.

[VORON538]

We have too humane laws for such non-humans
Human rights defenders immediately scream, like, how can this be castrated, this will harm both the moral and physical of the rapist
And for me it is easier to give such beasts to the relatives of the injured child, let them figure it out. They will say, the Middle Ages? But how else? But in fairness. Modern Russian laws for such inhumans are too humane.

[Akuzenka]

But for some reason, hands did not reach, or something else prevented the investigation of the case of the theft of 700 million rubles.

I sincerely do not understand the bewilderment and indignation of the author of the article! The problem is not the law, the problem is something else - CAPITALISM !!!!! Power serves the interests of the holding class! With him, otherwise, it does not happen. There are a lot of such "events" in the West, but they write VERY little about this, for this you can sit down for 5 years. And in Russia, to write about this, for now, you can freely, that's the impression of the "triumph" of the law, there.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Proxima

I have two minors, God forbid, someone has something with a phone and my wife and I rush to the walls, we remember all the saints. That's what's scary !!!!

This pedophilic hysteria is a double-edged sword. How many cases were there that men simply slandered and ruined life?
Look, there is an opus on the Internet:
"1. I will not stop on the road to give a ride to a woman with a child, in Soviet times I did this by all means, especially in bad weather. There are few fines for the lack of seats, so now there is also an increasing coefficient to any fines for children present in the cabin. Are you a woman with a child? Great, the state is taking care of you.
2. I will not help any children asking for help, at most, I will run 10 meters and call the police, although I am not sure if it is safe for me to call.
3. I will not lead any lessons, activities, hikes in which children are present except for the children of friends and relatives. And in general, the men who work at the school are the idiots for whom the prison cries. Thanks to the fighters against "pedophiles"
4. I will not stop and give a lift to a single woman, nor will I help unfamiliar women in any way or under any circumstances. Going to prison with the stigma of a "rapist" does not shine at all.
5. A bully must be bypassed for a kilometer, and a juvenile bully two.
6. I'm not at all sure that when you see a person lying on the ground, you should call the ambulance and the police without the risk of becoming a "murderer", in a crowded place under the cameras you still go anywhere, but in a deserted place you definitely need to quickly and silently leave.
Thank you, dear State Duma, for progressive legislation, thank you, dear courts, prosecutors and police for active and wise protection of human rights, especially women and children. "

Quote: Proxima

And let this Menu be given at least an order, spit ...

We are all rich ... Let them steal ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Hyperion

... I won't ...

And oddly enough, anyone will subscribe to these points. I saw a woman voting at night on the road, it's not a fact that you will simply be condemned, there is a high probability that you will not get anywhere at all ...

[VORON538]

And the State Duma is not guilty of this, although they have invented a lot of things, but the crime and our society!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: VORON538

our society!

Again, the people are to blame?

[VORON538]

But did the bandits, people who give bribes to get around the law and people who take bribes (for me personally, these are the same categories), thieves, swindlers from another planet came to us? Or did the State Department send, or the Mossad, MI-6? No, this is our fellow citizens, sometimes even neighbors, and this is a part of our society. If you want to know a person, give him power. Try to understand this, it’s easy to think.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: VORON538

for me personally, these are the same categories

Two big differences. The bulk of people who give bribes are simply forced to do so. The system is often structured to make a legal decision as difficult as possible.
And if you use your own advice, you will understand it.

[VORON538]

And how did I live without bribes? Although, yes, there were enough of those who wanted to "negotiate", precisely those who wanted to, walked through the forest))) About the fact that they are forced, there is no excuse. I proceed from the fact that any performer and so gets d / d, so do not pamper :))) Therefore, people who are in a hurry to "thank" someone for their work, while moaning about corruption, cause only a gag reflex. They are no better than those who take, the same hoopoes.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Fitter65

Quote: Hyperion

... I won't ...

And oddly enough, anyone will subscribe to these points. I saw a woman voting at night on the road, it's not a fact that you will simply be condemned, there is a high probability that you will not get anywhere at all ...

You can consider me an "idiot", but in my fifth decade, I have not betrayed and will not give my moral convictions and norms. In a difficult situation, it is always necessary to help. Yes, sometimes it's scary, but it's more honest. To slide down to the level when it will feel sick to look in the mirror - I don’t want to and I will not.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Fitter65

Quote: Hyperion

... I won't ...

And oddly enough, anyone will subscribe to these points. I saw a woman voting at night on the road, it's not a fact that you will simply be condemned, there is a high probability that you will not get anywhere at all ...

Remembered. 90th. I'm driving from my brother's dacha, drunk insane, but - it is necessary, tomorrow is the Day of the Airborne Forces. Night, rain. A cute girl is voting - will you give it to the city? I need to pay for Botany, 25 rubles. Go! After 10 minutes, she reflects the degree of my intoxication, asks me to drop off, doubling the payment. Mademoiselle, what does the money have to do with it? We're almost there. How much do I owe? Not at all, just say: glory to the Airborne Forces! well, in this state, I agree to everything ...) However, at the entrance to the yard (already home) the car still scratched a little - drunkenness fight!

[Snail N9]

Yes, the rich ... Yesterday they showed a report of Men leaving the courtroom. Tolerantly so shown ... Like he gets into the car - the car itself was not shown, so a piece of it and a split second so as not to irritate her with the brand (and cost) of the scrapers ...

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Hyperion

This pedophilic hysteria is a double-edged sword.

There are many more ends and all of them are lousy. On the one hand, there is another hotbed of brutality of people. Hello to the late Cleaver. On the other hand, another reason for an expensive state to create all kinds of game is to nightmare the Internet and prohibit this and that. Few remember that the censorship of the Internet in almost all countries began with talks about protecting children. On the third hand, fear is instilled in society about contact with children. Teachers, trainers, doctors (they just soldered 11 years to a massage therapist, because the child's mother once dreamed of something strange), but the worst thing is the fear of parents about contact with their own children. On the fourth hand, it would simply not occur to a normal adult to perceive a child as a sexual object. But thanks to pedo-hysteria, a completely unhealthy interest is riveted to the topic of child sexuality.

This is just the first thing that comes to mind.

[napalm]

On the other hand, another reason for an expensive state to create all kinds of game is to nightmare the Internet and prohibit this and that.
It seems that from the 1st of the day there is one more law according to which any police officer can ask for your phone and get acquainted with the contents. And it doesn't matter whether it's an adult or a child. Mandatory re-installation of applications that monitor everything, etc. i.p.

[Cherry Nine]

I don’t know about the law with telephones, but I follow it well. So it is unlikely. Preset yes, disgusting. I had to bother with the developer tools with the new tablet to endure all this.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Proxima

Here, for the murder of a pedophile, they give a stricter for 8 years. Moreover, this scum has already served 11 years for pedophilia

If you are talking about the Sankin case, then the case is rather murky. Did he help a child who ended up in the apartment of the deceased? Did he know about the deceased's criminal backgrounder? Did he call the police? If not, why not?

[Svarog]

Quote: Bearded

I will not be surprised if I am awarded the State Award for the stolen 700 million rubles, for example, the Order of the Golden Fleece.

And what is there to be surprised ... we have a dime a dozen of such order-bearers ..

[oleg.nhl]

the Order of the Golden Fleece, for example.

Rather the Golden Calf ...

[d1975]

There is nothing to add to your words and above, justice is simply selective and very much, this is an undermining of power and constitutional law!

[hagen]

Quote: Dead Day

not interesting Roman, but scary ... we fly into the abyss.

We do not read the cases, we are not present at the trial, but we discuss ... Irresponsibility multiplied is not a lack of common sense, at best. At worst, a deliberate attempt to discredit justice in the eyes of the reader. I do not want to offer my own solutions, but I think it would be useful to periodically turn on the head. "If the stars are lit - then - somebody needs it?"

[NIKN]

Quote: Hagen

If the stars are lit, then does anyone need it? "

Indeed, you cannot argue, it remains to decide who needs to be and what kind of stars they are burning ...

[hagen]

Quote: NIKNN

it remains to decide who needs to be and what kind of stars are harnessed ...

For what the stars are burning, I think, it is obvious. When you (and me, and everyone who reads) are hammered into your head with a grain of doubt about the justice of the world order around us, it means that someone needs us all to doubt what we see. It's so simple ... More - more. Those who will sprout this grain will be called to a practical action. For this scheme to work, somebody motivates in any way the main active actors. Something new? I don't think ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Hagen

We do not read the cases, we are not present at the trial, but we discuss ...

You are just lazy. Look, at least, here:

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

You are just lazy. Look, at least, here:

Well, what did you see here, you are not lazy ours? One side of the dispute, found guilty, throws accusations against the other side? What unusual things can you see or hear? After any trial, this is pretty often. A common occurrence. Those who really disagree with the verdict on principle would have fallen into the second instance. If the NNP exercises this right to review the case in accordance with Art. 389.2. Code of Criminal Procedure, we will wait for the decision of the appellate instance. And if he does not appeal, then he agreed with the decision that has already been made, regardless of what he said in public. Which side is lying more is not entirely clear today. But do you mean to say that you are not lazy? Then you should have been present in the courtroom at all hearings in the case ...

[would]

We do not read the cases, we are not present at the trial,

Everything is correct. But there is no case on the Internet, and thus it is impossible for a person from the outside to read it, and by being present in court, problems arise due to covid restrictions.

And here I essentially begin to defend the author of the article with whom I disagree in most cases and whose articles I constantly criticize. But what difference does that make? The article does not state that Platoshkin is guilty or, on the contrary, innocent. The article only provides a fact that in themselves discredit the law enforcement system. We are talking about the fact that the person who is accused of large-scale theft from the budget (and this is our national misfortune) was not convicted, was not punished, but was released from liability on non-rehabilitating grounds (so one cannot say that he is innocent, the citizen was still involved) ... Who did this? Maybe Roman Skomorokhov bribed the justice apparatus to deliberately delay the case? I do not think.

And at the same time, another person is imprisoned for 5 years on probation for alleged calls to go to a rally (and also "for little things") and a fine of 700 thousand is issued. Moreover, the Prosecutor's Office asked for 6 years of real landing (according to Platoshkin himself). And to an ordinary person from the people, this disproportion is incomprehensible, or understandable, but it is again interpreted in a discrediting manner in relation to the law enforcement system. And is Roman Skomorokhov to blame for this too?

[hagen]

Quote: rait

But there is no case on the Internet, and thus it is impossible for a person from the outside to read it, and problems arise by being present in court.

If there is no way to grasp the essence of the matter, there is no need to discuss it. This is quite obvious. But I see a different meaning from the author than the search for the real truth, given his articles written earlier. Do you think otherwise? Good luck. You have every right. Just answer your own questions to yourself. Are you sure that the court hearings on Menu were drawn out out of a desire to release him, and not because the prosecutor sent the case to court not sufficiently investigated? As an option ... I think, in order to accuse the system, as well as in court, some kind of evidence is needed. In the meantime, everything is based on "everyone already knows", which in the West has received the term "highly likely". Are you also a supporter that this "HL" is enough to blame the legal system of your state?

[would]

If there is no way to grasp the essence of the matter, there is no need to discuss it. It's quite obvious

I will write again - neither the matter nor the question of guilt / innocence is in essence not discussed. It's just unnecessary.

Just answer your own questions to yourself. Are you sure that the court hearings on Menu were drawn out out of a desire to release him, and not because the prosecutor sent the case to court not sufficiently investigated?

I did not pose such a question. I just stated the fact that the case was delayed so much that in the end it was terminated after the expiration of the term, no more.

... In the meantime, everything is based on "everyone already knows", which in the West has received the term "highly likely". Are you also a supporter that this "HL" is enough to blame the legal system of your state?

Once again - what do you deny? The fact that Platoshkin was convicted or the fact that a citizen of an official was not involved on non-rehabilitating grounds? Both are proven by publications in the state media and are not highly likely.

I have the feeling that you are conducting some kind of personal monologue that is neither the topic of the article nor my message.

[hagen]

Quote: rait

I will write again - neither the matter nor the question of guilt / innocence is in essence not discussed. It's just unnecessary.

The author of the article, by comparing two decisions of different courts, pushes you (me, all readers) to the idea of ​​the nullity of our judicial system. That's all. Don't you understand? There is a manipulation of the reader's opinion with the help of his own (the author's) logical constructions, in fact, very doubtful, about the illegality of the decisions of two different courts. If you do not want to see this, then I can congratulate you, you already their client. And judging by the comments, you are not alone.

Quote: rait

Once again - what do you deny?

I deny such manipulation of public opinion.

Quote: rait

The article does not state that Platoshkin is guilty or, on the contrary, innocent.

I will not go into the jungle of the semantics of expressions, but it seems that you either did not read the article carefully, or you are not at all able to understand the phrase you read. Do you understand the statement of innocence only in the direct formulation of the phrase "Platoshkin is innocent"? There are ways to convey this idea in more complex designs. And yes, I am fully entitled to conduct my own personal monologue. And the fact that you don't grasp the meaning of it ... well, that means it's not destiny.

[Civil]

Friends - everything, enemies - the law

1. Looked out the window - everything is still, no one protests, everyone is happy.
2. So it is normal for society. The society is not against, but not for. Fine.

[Arkady Gaidar]

Yes, you are absolutely right in your conclusions. I will only assume that such communication and peaceful indignations cannot correct the situation. The power and privileges generated by it are such a thing, for which they will always fiercely fight and gnaw the throats of others.
By the way, on a topic close to this, I already answered today:
https://topwar.ru/183066-istorija-ne-byvaet-alternativnoj-kak-i-nacionalnaja-ideja.html#comment-id-11497505
And the atoru would convey the following words:
Double standards have existed always and everywhere. The influence of the West has absolutely nothing to do with it. And you don't have to go far to find examples here. Take the scandal of today, when all over Russia, under any far-fetched pretexts, any oppositionists and sympathizers of the political opposition are dismissed from state enterprises. Only recently there was information from the independent trade unions of the Moscow metro that one sympathetic Navalny assistant to the Moscow metro driver and who left comments under the FBK investigation, called home in the evening and said that he didn’t need to go to work tomorrow, there was some kind of overlap in the schedule. He went to work a day later, they told him that yesterday he skipped without a good reason and was fired from his job. And there are already about 200 such people dismissed in the Moscow metro alone. So draw conclusions about double standards.
The split in Russian society is obvious and you are right, we are crawling into the abyss.

[Pessimist22]

No one from the entourage of Putin and his friends will be jailed, this has already been demonstrated more than once, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, now Men, they are not abandoning their own people!

[Woodman]

Quote: Pessimist22

No one will be jailed from the entourage of Putin and his friends,

Ulyukaev?

[Pessimist22]

Ulyukaev demanded money from Sechin, and Sechin was one of his friends.

[Woodman]

Quote: Pessimist22

Ulyukaev at Sechin

Those. Ulyukaev "the wrong friend"?

[Anachoret]

Ulyukaev was "sharpened" for contacts with Japan, but there slipped and Ulyukaev was indicatively sent to sculpt figures from bread crumb)
So the story with Sechin is there only to justify the landing))

[210ox]

Ulyukaev is not Putin's friend at all. He was dragged along by Gaidar and subsequently by Medvedev, while Putin worked with Sechin even under Sobchak. Do you see the difference?

[sniperino]

Quote: Lesovik

Those. Ulyukaev "the wrong friend"?

This friend suddenly turned out to be ... The author tried, the commentators are zealous, and you are breaking the whole conceptual ogudin with your wrong question.

[Woodman]

Quote: sniperino

You are breaking the whole conceptual ogudina of your opponents with your wrong question.

I already understood that)))

[Hypertension]

Quote: Lesovik

Those. Ulyukaev "the wrong friend"?

Ulyukaev - one of the "friends" - cowboys, whose "bay broke his leg", and "Bolivar will not stand two." Classic spiders in a jar.

[VORON538]

Hush, this is the other

[Snail N9]

In order to understand who is there and who is friend or foe or "just like that", so to speak about the entire Kremlin and near-Kremlin cuisine, there is a series of films "The Rat Kingdom" ...

[ver_]

... Ulyukaev swam too shallowly .. he didn’t want * prey * ..

[CYM]

Ulyukaev, just stupid for which he sat down. It was necessary to think of it with SECHINA to shake the money.

[carstorm 11]

The novel is all of course beautiful. But it is the company that buys the debts and not the enterprise itself. These are different things. And what about this stuffed animal, apparently returning the money, it went very badly. Hopefully the SK will still be beaten.

[Asad]

Russia is not South Korea, our NC does not butt with power.

[210ox]

Well, by the way, no one butts with the authorities in the DPRK. However, the Korean "Men" would immediately go to the wall, with greenery on his forehead.

[Gardamir]

But what is this stuffed animal

Speaking of stuffed animals. You insisted that Furgal should go to jail. But here's the Same as Furgal, only the name has nothing to do with Men. And Platoshkin was condemned for going to the elections in the fall of 2020. Speaking of the elections, remember, at the presidential elections, it suddenly turned out that all of Russia's money was taken abroad by Grudinin. So who do you believe?

[carstorm 11]

Platoshkin was convicted for breaking the law during quarantine. If you forgot. Grudinin became a clown for me after radio freedom. I have known who Furgal is since the XNUMXs. I know very well. Whom do I believe from those cooo you listed? Nobody.

[Gardamir]

Who do I believe

You believe Gref, Abramovich, Shuvalov and the like. Chubais.

[carstorm 11]

Why is it all of a sudden?))) Have I said this at least once?))) Although I listened to Gref at the conference. Does this count?) I have said it many times, outside of politics. I have been and will be. I evaluate only my actions and only from my point of view) I don't even use the plus and minus signs here)))

[Gardamir]

Well, if you are out of politics, then why are you constantly on political topics?
And the direction of your statements for the bourgeoisie.

[carstorm 11]

I said something political before you started asking me questions?)))))

[Private89]

I'm out of politics. I have been and will be. I evaluate only my actions and only from my point of view)

Your point of view is dictated by your interests correctly, otherwise why would you stick to it if it harms you. You do not live in a vacuum, but in capitalism, i.e. in a society divided into classes, a person somehow belongs to a class and, accordingly, adheres to the interests of a particular class. So what class are you speaking from?

[carstorm 11]

Consider that I didn’t share it) and I’m not going to do it), of course, not in a vacuum) I’m just all purple points of view, let the country live in peace. Evolve through evolution. Without constant shocks ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: carstorm 11

Evolve through evolution.

When you evolutionists will finally understand that this is bullshit. How do you imagine it? Only a threat to life, health and property can force the capitalist to make concessions. Otherwise the fuck would he need it? Is it really that hard to understand?

[carstorm 11]

And eternal turmoil is what you need?)))

[IS-80_RVGK2]

I was not talking about eternal turmoil. I said that your thoughts are pure manilov. No one in their right mind and solid memory will change what suits him. In addition, the system itself is such that it will not allow this to be done. If you want to raise the workers' wages, then tomorrow you will burn out because your competitors, all other things being equal, will sell the goods cheaper for the amount you additionally spent on wages to the workers.

[Private89]

Probably better than Comrade Stalin, I will not formulate.

“If capitalism could adapt production not to maximizing profits, but to a systematic improvement in the material situation of the masses, if it could turn to come not to satisfy the whims of parasitic classes, not to improve methods of exploitation, not to export capital, but to a systematic rise the material situation of the workers and peasants, then there would be no crises. But then capitalism would not be capitalism either. To eliminate crises, capitalism must be destroyed. " I.V. Stalin

This is if you want to live in peace and for the country to develop peacefully.

[Far B]

The law was violated during quarantine

Soryan, from this moment in more detail. If not during quarantine (which, by the way, did not exist), is everything much better?
Radio freedom is yes, it characterizes it.
Furgal? And Cho Kozhemyaka is free? In addition, I beg your pardon for my French, where is the background richer?

[carstorm 11]

I already told you that I reduce our communication to a minimum))) you are very stuffy))) understand how you like it. I do not care. You didn't have a quarantine, for some reason I did.

[Far B]

And I told you that as long as you carry all heresy, I will be there. Think before you speak. And what is stifling to you ... Conder to help - you are a well-to-do man, should you complain?

[carstorm 11]

For God's sake. Heresy for you, not for me. I cannot prevent you from having your own opinion.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Platoshkin was convicted for breaking the law during quarantine.

Then who needs to be tried for the same after the rally on March 18, 2021. at Luzhniki?

[carstorm 11]

Why should I? I also think this is nonsense. But to arrange some kind of pickets when the country is on self-isolation and people are already scared is too much, will you agree? The spring of the last year was not the easiest moment in the life of the country. I could have waited with my calls.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Why should I? I also think this is nonsense.

This is not stupidity! Did you claim that? When pro-government examples went, they went to the bushes. Evaluate "for deeds" as you assert-should the authorities be judged for the rally on March 18?

[carstorm 11]

I kind of bluntly said that this is stupidity. What assessment do you expect from me?)))

[New Year day]

Should be judged like Platoshkin?

[carstorm 11]

Do you want to write a petition? I will sign. Is it okay?

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Do you want to write a petition? I will sign. Is it okay?

Answer bluntly, "no petitions" - should you judge like Platoshkin?
There is a difference between a petition and a deadline - do you not understand it or are you playing it up?

[carstorm 11]

So ask ok. Your eqivoks are already bored. No I do not think so. Platoshkin started his circus in a frightened country. When people were driven into self-isolation. Everyone is scared. It's just humanly even mean.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Platoshkin started his circus in a frightened country

The circus has been going on for 10 years, have you noticed?

Quote: carstorm 11

When people were driven into self-isolation.

And who did it?

[carstorm 11]

I am not against this isolation. You are confusing me with someone. I understand its necessity. Even through the mats.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

I am not against this isolation. You confuse me with someone

Quote: carstorm 11

Platoshkin started his circus in a frightened country. When people were driven into self-isolation. Everyone is scared. It's just humanly even mean.

In short - brain cancer

[carstorm 11]

Rudeness is your everything)

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Rudeness is your everything)

Answer the question

[carstorm 11]

I'm already tired of answering you ... are you drunk or what?) Or is it just that you are new to the adequacy? I believe that actions during the self-isolation of an entire country are criminal. After inadequate. Do this Platoshkin now, I would not consider his term correct. But in that moment he did what he did

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

But in that moment he did what he did

Told the truth about health care "reform" like

[carstorm 11]

Fuck me! Did he call people during self-isolation to protest or not?

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Did he call people during self-isolation to protest or not?

Not proven by the court! But on March 18, 2021. in Luzhniki, proved!

[Normal]

Quote: carstorm 11

during self-isolation

Self-isolation. I myself - I want - I isolate myself, I myself - I want - I go to protest.
What's illegal?

[carstorm 11]

Go break federal laws) revolutionaries can

[Normal]

The federal law number that I will be breaking, if you please.

[Overlock]

Quote: Normal

I myself - I want - I isolate myself, I myself - I want - I go to protest.
What's illegal?

He would try to break self-isolation

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: carstorm 11

Fuck me! Did he call people during self-isolation to protest or not?

Here is a prime example of self-isolation:

[carstorm 11]

Yes, all to say a lot. How many speeches were and will be ?!

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

actions during self-isolation of an entire country are criminal

And who should be held accountable for crimes?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Silvestr

The circus has been going on for 10 years, have you noticed?

Do not throw beads in front of "drumsticks" - category "$$ s in the eyes ...". As for the circus, the beginning of the performance can be attributed to the "arrest" of the SMS on Foros.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Your eqivoks are already bored

You were asked a simple question-

Quote: Silvestr

Answer bluntly, "no petitions" - should you judge like Platoshkin?

And you all whirl and whirl! You are a political weather vane. Have you studied Lenin?

[carstorm 11]

I answered you long ago. Not . I don't think

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Not . I don't think

Lenin not count it is necessary, but читать

[carstorm 11]

Lenin?)))) You made my day))))

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Lenin?)))) You made my day))))

Not knowing Lenin is your night. To judge the harmfulness of his thoughts, one must at least read. We did this for 6 years in Soviet times.

[carstorm 11]

I'd rather read Keynes or Schumpeter. They are at least adequate

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

I'd rather read Keynes or Schumpeter. They are at least adequate

To each his own

[carstorm 11]

Exactly. This is what modernity is built on. Everyone sees what he wants.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Exactly. This is what modernity is built on.

What was written above the Mauthausen gate?

[carstorm 11]

What are you talking about?

[place]

Quote: carstorm 11

I'd rather read Keynes or Schumpeter. They are at least adequate

Tell us, where is the lack of adequacy in Lenin's books specifically? I am writing down....
In general, could it not be adequate to create the Russian Federation and the USSR?

Once, in a Viennese cafe, the conversation turned to the Russian revolution. J. Schumpeter joyfully declared that socialism has finally ceased to be a "paper discussion" and will now have to prove its viability. M. Weber objected to him that an attempt to introduce socialism in Russia, given the level of its economic development, is, in fact, a crime and will end in disaster. According to the memoirs of F. Zomari, J. Schumpeter coldly remarked that this may well happen, but that Russia is a "wonderful laboratory." In response, M. Weber exploded: "A laboratory with a mountain of corpses." J. Schumpeter said: "Like any anatomical theater." Is this your "adequacy"?

[carstorm 11]

And I'm not Soviet) what claims?) And I don't want to be

[Revival]

The man answered directly, if someone is doing something against the top, then it is a crime, if it is the same, but the one who is needed, then it should be done.
And yes, there are no double standards and vile hypocrisy ...........

[New Year day]

Quote: Revival

The man answered directly, if someone is doing something against the top, then it is a crime, if it is the same, but the one who is needed, then it should be done.

Right! This is "double standards"

[carstorm 11]

My standards belong to me. I don't seem to call for you

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: carstorm 11

My standards belong to me. I don't seem to call for you

You and your company would live according to your standards not far from the cutting area, and you strive to settle somewhere better and at someone else's expense, passing off your parasitism as the ability to fit into the situation in time.
Only you keep forgetting to mention that you and your “comrades-in-arms” created such a situation by breaking the USSR constitution, breaking the laws, mixing property redistribution with blood, protecting yourself from social protection measures and fair punishment for what you have done. You live in complete safety, having surrounded yourself with an army of three hundred thousand gendarmes and throwing down remarks with lordly pomp.

[carstorm 11]

What are you?) Seriously?))) I served with my company in the ranks of the RA. After he quit because he wanted a family. And I just work. I chose the direction where it is convenient for me. I don’t whine with you in the choir?) So I wanted it myself and did it)))) and I didn’t break anything))))

[carstorm 11]

Not. Everyone has their own standards.

[sniperino]

Quote: carstorm 11

Your eqivoks are already bored

On March 5, 2021, Moscow canceled the mandatory self-isolation regime even for the elderly: they returned free travel on social cards. These are not equivocations, but banal lies, manipulation and enemy propaganda.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: carstorm 11

Your eqivoks are already bored. No I do not think so. Platoshkin started his circus in a frightened country. When people were driven into self-isolation. Everyone is scared. It's just humanly even mean.

Platoshkin began the political struggle because he could no longer calmly watch the plunder of the country. He was even invited on TV until they gave the go-ahead, seeing in his speeches a direct condemnation of the current government. Speeches reasoned and confirmed by the experience of the development of the USSR. One example:

As for you personally, then your former or current (rather the first) "administrative resource" comes through from each post. We have an idea of ​​the salaries and pensions of government officials and ordinary citizens, so your motives are clear and understandable.

[carstorm 11]

Mine?))) After leaving the army, I built my own life. I got credits and studied. Didn't ask anyone for anything. I work for children for the future) and I earned my first car while guarding the restaurant at night)

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: carstorm 11

Mine?))) After leaving the army, I built my own life. I got credits and studied. Didn't ask anyone for anything. I work for children for the future) and I earned my first car while guarding the restaurant at night)

Don't cry, or the beard will come off. I know a former colonel who, after serving in the organs, wanted to become a taxi driver ... But then he changed his mind ...

[carstorm 11]

But I didn't change my mind, think))) I didn't see anything wrong with that))) where did you see that I was crying?)

[Roman070280]

do not you understand or play?

Since birth, a person is like that ..))

[New Year day]

Quote: Roman070280

Since birth, a person is like that ..))

Only so hotly broadcasts from the banks of the Amur

[carstorm 11]

Usually. Free time. What are the claims?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Well, man is outside of politics. He is simply for the dictatorship of capital.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

He is simply for the dictatorship of capital.

He's just for the loot.

[210ox]

About "scared" people. I'm talking about the Krasnodar Territory. People were not scared, but outraged to the extreme. When they introduced passes for personal transport. They gave it to all the bosses, but not to the operative and repair ones. This is a special case at my work. Outraged every time an oncological patient has to stand up for passes in the administration to get to the hospital in Krasnodar. People were not scared, except perhaps with horse fines for violating the mask regime.

[Revival]

So, they say that Furgal has expired too?
And why the case is not closed, in this case?

[carstorm 11]

Not. It will sit down. And he will sit.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

It will sit down. And he will sit.

He will still be your governor

[carstorm 11]

Well, if you so want the region to live like in 90 or 00 then thank you for your wishes. I don’t remember exactly the year, but our conscript sawed into the Moiseevskys' car. This was such a funny company, the head of which was the assistant to the deputy Furgala and his chief of security. About 40 people came to download the right. In part)))) was an epic sight I remember) you can google who they are if you want. Sports club Moisey, Khabarovsk

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Well, if you so want the region to live like in 90 or 00, then

And now the country lives according to the LAW? This article is about this, and you are all whirling and whirling! What will you broadcast after Putin?

[carstorm 11]

Listen ... I'm not calling you into my ranks, right? I spoke on this particular occasion. Quite literally. That the scarecrow died and that's very bad. Are you waiting for me to start tearing my shirt and splashing saliva or what? That after Putin I will broadcast I have no idea. I'm not Wang.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

That after Putin I will broadcast without a clue

Your opinion depends on the opinion of the authorities. It doesn't matter which one. They themselves confessed, so why are you judging Platoshkin? Maybe his judges will sit down by themselves?

[carstorm 11]

Forgive me of course ... but who are you to state what my opinion is for me?))) My opinion depends on many factors. But the main one is that I myself decide what to do and what to think about. I didn’t admit anything, and I’m not going to discuss your violent imagination.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

and who are you to declare for me what is my opinion?

You were asked a simple question - in response, "blah blah". So I draw a simple conclusion.

Quote: carstorm 11

and I am simply not going to discuss your violent imagination.

Answer the question and that's it

Quote: Silvestr

directly, "without petitions" - should you judge like Platoshkin?

[lucul]

And now the country lives according to the LAW?

Do not you confuse isolated cases with lawlessness, or have you forgotten what law was in the "holy 90s", or what law was under the communists?
Tell me which country lives 100% according to the law, where even isolated cases are excluded? I will give simple examples - Snowden and Asanj, as an example of Western justice.

[New Year day]

Quote: lucul

Do not confuse isolated cases with lawlessness, or have you forgotten what law was in the "holy 90s"

It's good to carry it. You are not the only one who survived the 90s. Then there were just bandits, but now where are they?

[lucul]

It's good to carry it. You are not the only one who survived the 90s. Then there were just bandits, but now where are they?

Ie, in your opinion, there is no difference between the 90s and 2021, in terms of the law?

[New Year day]

Quote: lucul

Ie, in your opinion, there is no difference between the 90s and 2021, in terms of the law?

Yes sir! They just took off their crimson jacket.

[lucul]

Yes sir! They just took off their crimson jacket.

Obviously, I have no more questions.

[New Year day]

Quote: lucul

Obviously, I have no more questions.

It's nice to communicate with smart people

[carstorm 11]

Seriously?))) Yeah ... your perception is probably really far from us ..

[Revival]

There is a difference, everything that needs to be quickly formalized by law, even now they think how to give a retroactive force to what needs to be given

[carstorm 11]

Someone brought them out?))) And who?))) Apparently you think that they themselves disappeared?)))

[New Year day]

Quote: lucul

Tell me which country is 100% legal,

And what country lives by the Law "
-100%"

[carstorm 11]

The country is you or me. Freedom is your perception. Are you limited in something? I'm not here !!!

[Revival]

Well, what, what will they say, as usual

[sniperino]

Quote: carstorm 11

About 40 people came to download the right. Part)))

Didn't they give you fuel oil or money?

[carstorm 11]

I no longer remember the essence of the claims)))) but it's nice that this is what worries you) intelligence set their brains) for the sake of prevention, of course)

[sniperino]

Quote: carstorm 11

this is what worries you)

Worries, gave them what they had before (read about it), or gave them in the face. I realized that the second and already calmed down a little)).

[Revival]

What's not?
The law is different !?

[Drugov]

In more detail, please, about Platoshkin's violation of the law during quarantine! What law did he break? Where is it recorded? Or do you believe in the nonsense that the investigation carried along with the court? There was no court, there was a reprisal, so that at first it would not affect the amendments to the Constitution, then the elections in 2020 and now the elections in 2021. This is the reason, not fictitious violations.

[nickname7]

the company buys the debts and not the company itself. These are different things

These are not different things, they are called loans-for-shares auctions, classics of the genre, hello 90s.
And after redeeming the debt, the company passes into another property.

[Far B]

Men are different, you just don't understand. He honestly quietly sp ... stole - and went. It is called - found. Well, he didn’t brag, didn’t advertise? So the norm. Everything is within the framework of the capitalist paradigm of the era of developed Putinism. He was taken by the gills? Have taken. Cho ischo you want? So what, that they took just when the statute of limitations expired? Check out the fact itself - the fight, mlyn, corruption in all fields!
And Platoshkin - he was talking! Loudly! Loud talk does not fit into the political paradigm of developed Putinism. With developed Putinism, only one person is allowed to speak loudly, but I will not name him. Moreover, from his words one fig does not change anything.

[Pessimist22]

Bastrykin is also a puppet, he can only say what, who and how much, and as soon as they called from above, he immediately closed the case, I stopped believing this department after the case of Zakhary Kalashov (Shakro Molodoy), his subordinate generals took bribes from the bandits, but he did not know the type ...

[Vikxnumx]

He was taken by the gills? Have taken. Cho ischo you want? So what, that they took just when the statute of limitations expired? Check out the fact itself - the fight, mlyn, corruption in all fields!

How can the statute of limitations on the initiated case expire ??? Or did it expire earlier?

[Far B]

Well, like the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, from the moment of commission and blah blah blah

[Alexander X]

By the way, Menya ceased to be prosecuted for his crime under the law. The limitation period has expired. You can't argue with that. Another thing is that the investigation dragged on for 10 years! And this must be dealt with, who was delaying and why ... By the way, I know one person who also escaped conviction after the statute of limitations. True, he was involved in poaching ...

[72jora72]

The most "funny" thing is that even here on IN just try to express the idea that something is wrong in the ̷D̷a̷t̷s̷k̷o̷m̷ Russian kingdom, you will immediately get the stigma of "liberal", "navalnenka", "sorosenka", "traitor", "enemy of the people" ............

[Grandfather]

Quote: 72jora72

The most "funny" thing is that even here on IN just try to express the idea that something is wrong in the ̷D̷a̷t̷s̷k̷o̷m̷ Russian kingdom, you will immediately get the stigma of "liberal", "navalnenka", "sorosenka", "traitor", "enemy of the people" ............

Well, that's why all sorts of "ferrets" are sitting here, they are "mikhans". and others are "confused".

[The leader of the Redskins]

It's okay ... There are enough ferrets here and there.
I just don’t understand one thing - four years ago, I seemed to military and not on criminal review registered. How is this scoundrel and the so-called "most humane court in the world" to the army, navy, weapons and history?
Soon they will begin to regale with boulevard ...

[Gardamir]

Soon

Humble yourself. If it were not for articles on political topics, the site would be third-rate. There are many of them on the Internet.

[depressant]

Igor, good morning!
I believe you have raised a question, the answer to which you know very well yourself, but would like to start a discussion. And this is really necessary. After all, many new people come to VO who have not previously participated in the discussion of such issues.

The answer is offhand.
Corruption in the highest echelons of power and the embezzlement of budget funds by their representatives directly threaten the strategic security of the country. Losing the brakes on such court cases is the same. What could go to the construction of, say, warships, goes with impunity to the personal foreign accounts of officials, who then get off with only a slight fright in view of the complaisance of the judicial system in relation to such gentlemen. Broilers and Platoshkin are comparative examples that everyone understands to spice up the conversation.
So the topic for VO is more than suitable.

[Akuzenka]

Soon they will begin to regale with boulevard ...

So long ago already.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Soon they will begin to regale with boulevard ...

"breaking news".
The battle for consumers (that is, advertising money)
Capitalism is shorter, business and nothing personal.

[Overlock]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I just don’t understand one thing - four years ago, it seems that I registered in the military and not in the criminal review. How is this scoundrel and the so-called "the most humane court in the world" to the army, navy, weapons and history?

Life is changing! If you are not involved in politics, then politics will take care of you. Here are the politicians who are busy with us: new taxes, new maintenance rules, and at the heart of everything is money, money, money. Oil will run out, but people with money will never

[Overlock]

Quote: Dead Day

Well, that's why all sorts of "ferrets" are sitting here, they are "mikhans".

"Meehan" aka "Weasel", aka ... you get tired of listing

[ZAV69]

It's funny that even here on VO just try to express the idea that something is wrong in the королевD̷a̷t̷s̷k̷o̷m̷ Russian kingdom

Skomorokhov cannot be criticized at VO. Fraught

[Akuzenka]

Skomorokhov cannot be criticized at VO. Fraught

This is true. So he is one of the moderators, he even threatens and swears, in personal correspondence. And let it be. The dog barks - the wind carries.

[depressant]

Dear colleagues!
Roman Skomorokhov publishes his articles not at all in order to bask with pleasure in the rays of glory, formed by a chorus of enthusiastic praises like "Roman, you are great! Glory, glory, Roman!" Or burst into tears over your bitter share from the chorus of your angry censures "Uuuuuu, Skomorokhov, uuuu! How shameful!", While indulging in an attack of mental masochism.
To suspect such an author of any article on VO is at least naive. The authors bring their own opinion to the masses and want to get a response to this opinion, and not at all a characterization of their own person. Let's not forget this.
Well, that’s true, by the way.

[Akuzenka]

The authors bring their own opinion to the masses and want to get a response to this opinion, and not at all a characterization of their own person. Let's not forget this.

I don't quite agree. Roman has too differently directed assessments of the same events and characters. Six months ago, he scolded the USSR, now in his articles there is more and more positive about him. Well, and not only in the USSR. I have long formed the opinion of what he is paid for, about what he writes and how he writes.

[dauria]

Roman has too differently directed assessments

He's just "at work." Like it or not, the site needs visitors, the highlight of the site is the comments around the articles, and not the articles themselves. So the man is trying. Today I coughed - discussion. Tomorrow sneezed - again discussion, The day after tomorrow --.....
Try to keep the people here yourself. All Mikhanov, professors, warriors and atalefs ... To keep them for years, attracting new ones at least for a while ...
And the quality of the articles - what's the difference. It happens, it rolls a decent one from somewhere, it happens so-so.
Get into position. And after all, every day the concern is how to feed these troglodytes-visitors of the site today. ?

[depressant]

Dear colleague AKuzenka!
Roman Skomorokhov was not born by the already established Thales of Miletus, Anaximander, Anaximenes, Parmenides, Pythagoras, and others. Or all of these and others taken together. And therefore, the first words of the baby Skomorokhov were unlikely to be an exposition of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, or in a row of all the volumes of the Lenin Library in the center of Moscow.
And we are all like that.
A person learns all his life. This, if not stubborn, does not hollow like a woodpecker, once known to the end of his days, not noticing that life is changeable. And given the fact that the modern era manifests itself to us with one side, then the other, we have to learn by the method of comparison. And then very serious punctures of today become visible, which cannot be corrected, by the way, overnight.
We all left the USSR, even those who were born after - parents and grandparents, they are all from there. And therefore, against our will, we compare what has become with what has been. And the comparison is ambiguous!
Sometimes we say: "Yes, that was bad in the USSR, but now it is better!" Sometimes we say something else: "In comparison with the USSR, what we have now is no good at all! This is where the Soviet developments should be returned."
Now the situation is such that comparisons in favor of the USSR are beginning to gain momentum. And the reasons "in favor", I suppose, do not need to be listed - here every commentator knows them. Many people understand the situation correctly. And briefly, but capaciously portrayed. For example, a colleague in the comment below gave a common saying:
"Every country has its own mafia, but only the Russian mafia has its own country."
The true tragedy of this situation, in the opinion of many, lies in the impossibility of getting out of it peacefully. But, as you understand, power in this case, as always, will be taken by scoundrels, the country, possibly - in pieces, revolutionaries - into the furnace. Moreover, those scoundrels who are now posing as lambs. And any lamb is sold, or we convince by blackmail, just the price of the issue and methods of persuasion. Therefore, it would be more correct to work with the power that is.
But, unlike Roman Skomorokhov, the current government is so outdated and lagging behind the needs of its own society that it hammers and hollows, like the above-mentioned woodpecker, its ancient mafia postulates, not knowing others, and thus put the country on the brink of collapse. She put it, was horrified and is trying to preserve the status quo by tightening the laws and their multiplicity. And among these discriminatory laws, those that shut their mouths and prohibit gathering in an amount of more than one are far from the main ones.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: depressant

Therefore, it would be more correct to work with the power that is.

This is sheer naivety. It is impossible to agree with them. You can only force it. Imposing their demands by force. And the fact that the reactionaries are trying to preserve the situation is just a classic of Marxism. And as always, in the end they will get a kick in the ass.

[depressant]

Colleague IS-80_RVGK2

It is impossible to agree with them. You can only force it. Imposing their demands by force.

Could you explain what you mean by strength?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

It is dangerous to answer such questions today. You will find the answer in the books of the classics of Marxism.

[depressant]

Oh, how!
And let me take the liberty and assume that you meant the riots organized throughout our vast country by the revolutionary underground. I assure you, this underground is very quickly disclosed already at the stage of its organization, because the special services will use provocative methods to attract all those who disagree with them, followed by their noisy acceptance, which we saw on the example of the notorious "Network". I guess this is being done right now. So, a spontaneous popular underground without a leading center, and with it too, is naive. No one else will allow people to show initiative of this type.
Let's go further.
Let's say that "partisan detachments" are being created - we have a lot of forests, and in Siberia there is also a giant taiga. They learn the techniques of urban combat, train. And then the question is: where do they get the supplies? And from the local authorities, who are ready to snatch the fenced area for their own use - the authorities, for example, corruptly connected with the local branch of the FSB, the police, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, and other law enforcement agencies, which at the right time "will not notice" that the militants seized "mail, telegraph and telephone ", and through promises handed out in advance, they will agree to become the power structures of the new state. And as soon as this happens, the state formation will scream to the whole world that regular units of Putin are going to suppress the freedom and independence of the new country, created on the basis of increased territorial self-awareness.
Is it real? In any case, huge chunks of territory are already being illegally seized in the taiga, and some alleged ecological activity is being carried out by some unknown invaders with the complete connivance of the local authorities. This already smacks of a threat. But this threat is directed not at making the ordinary citizen happy, but at making happy a handful of local power separatists. To eliminate this threat, Putin, in his message to the Federal Assembly, promised a golden rain that would pour on the regions to boost local industry, of course, settling a fair share in the pockets of local officials. Those who will be satisfied with the situation and will drown out their separatist fervor.
But if in the next couple of years the golden rain does not fall and there is no economic recovery, then such a scenario with the coordinated behavior of regional leaders can be realized. And only in this case, the angry townspeople will be allowed to take to the streets with impunity in their naive assumption that here it is finally - freedom, that they, the people of the screwdriver and the computer, have finally begun to be reckoned with, and together we are strength, and then everything will be good.
It’s going to be bad.
The new owners of life, waking them up, will immediately surrender completely to foreigners, snatching their share, and they will put the local people in an even worse position than they were.
There is also a mossy, moth-eaten scenario of a widespread spontaneous outcry of angry townspeople, coordinatedly maintained in a state of starvation by retail chains that continuously raise food prices. In order to neutralize the intrigues of trading networks, people are constantly throwing some handouts. But here an agreement between the anti-Putin coalition of oligarchs and retail chains is possible, and the shelves will be empty.
Yes, a lot of scenarios!
And in each of them, the people are assigned only the role of a necessary, but optional extras, which in any case does not shine.
I understand that no one will like the pictures I have drawn. Well, think so, comrades Marxists, and start with the trade unions. You say they are fired? So here it is, a lot of work!

[Reptiloid]

good afternoon, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!

....... the person is changing ......

I agree 100%! It's not just the authors who can change. What we are seeing. Both here and in other programs, plots ... this, in my opinion, is normal. Life is changing, the surrounding space ...
The country in which we live.
For example, Russia in the 90s is not equal to today. Even Rossmya 1997 is not equal to 1999 ..... and so on.
We ourselves are changing. What can you notice according to your own comments

[depressant]

Dima, good afternoon!
We just grow up, we look more closely at reality, and the accumulated experience allows us to better understand what is happening. And something bad is happening. The authorities seriously screwed up with domestic politics, with economic activity, overslept the moment when, due to the applied methods of management in many domestic economic indicators, we began to roll back to the company of third-rate countries, finally rolled back and took a stable place there. As a result, a threat to the country's integrity appeared and began to grow. And this threat is so serious that external hostile forces have revived, which are actively concentrating along our borders, like hyenas around a weakened old lion. This prompted the president to make a statement just now:

Someone even dares publicly to say that it is unfair, allegedly, that Russia owns the riches of a region like Siberia, to only one country ... All of us are trying to bite or bite off something from us - but they should know that we will knock our teeth out everyone, so that they cannot bite, and the guarantee of this is the development of the armed forces

However, statements cannot help matters. Hyenas will retreat only if it turns out that the lion is not old and sick, but simply slept soundly. It's time to wake up and change something very seriously in the economy.

[Reptiloid]

There were also conversations about Siberia in the past centuries. ,, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Since then, as in the 16th century, there were voyages of Europeans along the Russian coast. Also in the 19th century. As it warms, there will be more of them.
And now? Russia is the only country that has renounced its territories on its own. How can you not want to tear off the pieces? Articles in different publications about the work of different NGOs. The same Yeltsin Center conducts some kind of programs. ..... and about the airport ---- all this?

[depressant]

I do not know what you mean by giving up territories, but over the past 20 years, in an implicit, undeclared form, the abandonment of their exploitation has taken on rampant proportions. For example, Cypriot citizen Oleg Deripaska owns the EN + group. Run through the board of directors by a US citizen, this group manages the entire energy sector in the Irkutsk region. The notorious company Rusal, which produces, mind you, all Russian aluminum, belongs to a group of oligarchs with Cypriot passports and is also run by a US citizen. Polyus Gold is registered in a British offshore and - again! - operated by a US citizen.
The Swiss company, using cheap electricity, which Norilsk Nickel miraculously shares with it, has set up a huge mining farm there and is pumping cryptocurrency. The Italian company Enel through its British subsidiary controls many power plants in Siberia ...
The list is almost endless and really looks like giving up territory.
So they think in the West: why do they, these Russians, need territory, if the population does not own much on it? I ought to take it.

[Reptiloid]

I mean the collapse of the USSR, or rather the destruction.
June 12 --- Independence Day. Whom and from whom?
..... and how many times Deripaska turned to the state for help.
.

[depressant]

Well, here it is, offhand. Exactly a year ago, in the midst of the coronavirus epidemic, according to the newly made Deputy Prime Minister Belousov, it became known that 1 trillion rubles were allocated to support enterprises of oligarchic affiliation - enterprises called systemically important to the general public. I remember how here on VO, spears were broken, who to help, who not, and meanwhile the government included in the list a gambling company registered in an offshore - apparently, someone important from the bureaucracy was protecting it. A scandal erupted, faded, the list expanded to more than 1000 largely dubious enterprises, and the topic quietly faded in the minds of people, being replaced by more urgent coronavirus discrimination.
One way or another, more than 30% of this trillion went to the rich, affiliated with the big bureaucracy. The first on the list was the "beggar" Alisher Usmanov, the owner of the yacht "Dilbar" for 600 million - no, not rubles, dollars. The one who, in addition to the income from his enterprises, collects money from each of us for a barcode on every Russian product.
And this despite the fact that the same Deputy Prime Minister Belousov had to work hard to knock out at least 600 billion rubles for a huge infrastructure program for the expansion of the BAM, the construction of roads, river and sea ports, warehouses, etc. And it is not known whether he received this money. Whereas Rosneft, Gazprom and Russian Railways have easily paid off 100 billion rubles each of the so-called bad debt - they will want to, someday they will give it back, which is extremely doubtful.
Everyone has forgotten this story, but I remember - I have a long memory.

[Reptiloid]

And I, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, remember a situation that I stopped following, but I should have.
Were going to judge the scientific director of the NGO (?????) from the Far East. For the lost! !!!!!!! 7 million rubles benefits. It was about underwater robots.
And that's how they hurried! Not like those who are richer.
And the question arises - is it not a bone that would shut your mouths? The limitation period has expired.
Or they don't bring it to court, they couldn't prove it. ?????? There is damage, but no evidence.

[depressant]

Dima, according to independent professional lawyers, 90% of the judiciary is involved in corruption. The judiciary in the Russian corrupt management practice does not occupy an independent place, but in many respects is subordinate to other branches of government and business. What follows from the decisions made by the courts. In other words, a dispute between a hard worker and a police chief is hopeless for a hard worker.
And this was so obvious back in 2009 that the Supreme Arbitration Court of the Russian Federation, in order to suppress this enormous pressure on the courts of all instances, suggested publishing non-procedural appeals of high officials in defense of one side or another in the case in the section of information on court cases. It all ended with the fact that the courts, in a secret administrative order, began to specifically close themselves off from public discussion of their activities.
And here it is - the final with the drum roll!

Deputies of the State Duma approved in the first reading a bill that exempts officials, judges, prosecutors, military personnel and other categories of citizens from punishment for violation of anti-corruption norms if it happened due to circumstances beyond the control of civil servants. Information on the passage of the bill No. 1078992-7 "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in Part of Improving Measures of Responsibility for Corruption Offenses" was published in the legislative base of the lower house of parliament.

In other words, now the judges do not even need to strain, justifying the corrupt official and the thief - unwittingly, they say, he stole. Having taken a part of the stolen from the thief themselves, they will whitewash it according to the adopted law.

And in your example, Dima, the defendant has nothing to bring into the pocket of the judge, he did not steal, but received less. It turns out, it would be better to steal.
These are the miracles of lawmaking being shown by the State Duma.

[Reptiloid]

On the weekend I will see what is there ... It was written that I had already been tried, that this director is known in different countries ...
Thank you for the information, Lyudmila Yakovlevna

[parusnik]

Roman, again you are with your skepticism. Everything is fine with us. Foreign brands in the yards, bulk housing, affordable, full of sausages, toilet paper is not a shortage, loans, we are building a fleet, we fly into space, Victory, we have protected by laws, pensions for $ 1-2 raised, the standard of living of the population is growing, as can be seen from the article .. Here, here we will press the Western imperialists to the nail. Life, not only is getting better, has improved. In September, we will show the unity of the ruling party and the people.

[Far B]

The toilet paper is especially hooked. Straight to tears Now we will definitely not be lost.

[El Barto]

With such prices for food and the dynamics of their growth, soon it will be unnecessary for the population.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: El Barto

soon it will be unnecessary for the population.

Yes, and the population will not remain - in the first two months of this year - 180 thousand people.

[Per se.]

Quote: parusnik

In September, we will show the unity of the ruling party and the people.

[sergo1914]

All countries have their own mafia, but in Russia the mafia has its own country.

[samarin1969]

put, excuse me, for business. And in Europe, and in America, and in Asia. For deeds, not words.

In fact, they sit down. In Thailand, they are imprisoned for insulting the Buddha, in the Middle East - for an evil language about the prophet's faith, in Europe - for denying the Holocaust. Each elite has its own "sacred" ... Platoshkin questioned the monopoly on power and the infallibility of power. Apparently - this is also "sacred".
Well, here is such a "black mark" of five years of exposure. Khashoggi and Gongadze lived in less "cultured" countries.

[Sahalinets]

A raven will not peck out a raven's eyes. Especially if he sends a good share up ...

[TerraSandera]

The most interesting thing is that our media were silent about this and are silent, and there are no watered programs on this topic, no one seems to be "savoring" it. Well, in general, they pretended to be AI Alice from Yandex, who ignores all questions about Putin.

[Lech from Android.]

Ostap Bender is a first-grader compared to our swindlers ... such scams are beyond words ... masters of appropriating budget money and you won't get underneath.

[Boris55]

Quote: R. Skomorokhov

Nikolai Platoshkin did not make any real calls for radical action.

Video from a year ago:



1. (time: 0:20) Supported the preservation of the Constitution, written for us by the State Department, thanks to which the robbery of Russia and, accordingly, of all of us goes on "legal" grounds. A year has passed and one can already judge about the amendments made and how they influenced Russia's behavior in foreign and domestic policy. Not enough, but where to start.

2. (time: 2:20) Call for legal rallies demanding the departure of Putin, the dissolution of the Duma, i.e. the demand to hold the Maidan according to the Ukrainian scenario and return the 90s, which would even more rob Russia. Is this not a call for a violent change of power? The question is, how does he differ from Novalny, whose interests does he represent? Certainly not the people of Russia.

Platoshkin is Navalny 2.0, defending the interests of our enemies. The use of the symbols of the USSR by these individuals leads to its discrediting. He, like the thief, must sit!

About legal proceedings. It is really selective here.
He stole a ruble - sat down, stole a million - a deputy.

In Vladivostok, a lieutenant colonel policeman with one blow hit a two-year-old child in the arms of his mother and by the mother herself - he received a colonel and a promotion.
Medvedev's reform of the police into the police was not in vain, it also affected the justice.

[Normal]

Quote: Boris55

the Constitution written for us by the State Department,

5-7 years ago, the Constitution of the Russian Federation was "written by American advisers" for us
Now directly by the State Department.
A couple or three years will pass and it will turn out that the Constitution for us in the creative team was written by Clinton-Bush-Obama personally, under the leadership of Senator John McCain and Ambassador Tefft.

[Boris55]

Quote: Normal

5-7 years ago, the Constitution of the Russian Federation was "written for us by American advisers" Now directly by the State Department.

There is a difference? The fact remains that in 1993 the colonial Constitution was imposed on us. I do not like State Department, but like American advisers? How do you like that - American advisers from the State Department?

All those who continue to defend the inviolability of the colonial Constitution of Russia are agents of the State Department.

[Normal]

Quote: Boris55

All those who continue to defend the inviolability of the colonial Constitution, are agents of the State Department.

Well, you know - a horse, if there are horns.

The Constitution of the Russian Federation

Chapter 4. President of Russian Federation
Article 80

1. The President of the Russian Federation is the head of state.

2. President of Russian Federation is the guarantor of the Constitution Russian Federation............................................

http://www.constitution.ru/10003000/10003000-6.htm

[Boris55]

Read carefully: "..All those who continue to defend inviolability colonial Constitution. "The President introduced 11 amendments to the Constitution (this is a well-known fact) and immediately the entire liberal community howled, how is it that our master is being robbed ...

An amendment on "zeroing" was introduced by Tereshkova from the United Russia, so that the liberals would have the opportunity to howl louder.

On this topic.
The re-certification-lustration carried out by Medvedev in the law enforcement agency washed most of the decent people ...

[tatra]

Here is an excellent proof of how the enemies of the communists falsified the accusation against Platoshkin. So they can put any of those who do not praise Putin in jail. For example, if a person is against changing the Constitution for the sake of Putin's life-long rule, then he will "hire the State Department", and for

preservation of the Constitution, written for us by the State Department, thanks to which the robbery of Russia and, accordingly, of all of us is carried out on a "legal" basis

[Boris55]

Quote: tatra

excellent proof of how the enemies of the communists falsified the accusation against Platoshkin

Maidan truth:
Better to plant one in time than to bury a hundred later.

Quote: tatra

if a person is against changing the Constitution for the sake of life-long rule

Don't get cancer behind a stone. Themselves have created a problem with "zeroing" (Tereshkova from United Russia) themselves and outraged. And for what? So that Russia does NOT become even a little closer to sovereignty. Can't imagine life without a master?

[tatra]

Yes, it is not necessary, in the deceitful manner of the enemies of the communists, to portray "philanthropy" for the sake of profit. After your capture of the RSFSR, the Russian people buried more than 15 million people, which amounted to supermortality. And you've all proved that you don't care.
And there is no need for some mythical "sovereignty", thanks to the change in the Constitution.
OUTSIDE of their deceitful and hypocritical anti-Soviet to justify the capture of the USSR, the enemies of the communists have proved that they are for totalitarianism, political repression against dissidents, for "gagging."

[Roman070280]

Better plant one on timethan to bury a hundred later.

Who will put him in prison .. he is the king ..

[Normal]

Quote: Boris55

Themselves have created a problem with "zeroing" (Tereshkova from EP)

And nobody could resist. Neither Volodin with his "There is Putin, there is Russia ..." and "Our advantage is Putin," nor CAM. Even the People's Liberator E. Fedorov himself was speechless, his smartphone and laptop. In Cho the State Department is doing! He completely loosened his girdle.

Quote: Boris55

So that Russia does NOT become even a little closer to sovereignty.

The Constitution of the Russian Federation
Article 4
Item 1.

1. The sovereignty of the Russian Federation extends to its entire territory.
...................

IN? Ideally, in the fantasies of the disseminators of Fedorov's demagogy, Russia is located somewhere outside the Russian Federation. He wants to get even a little closer, but the State Department and Tereshkova won't let him.

[Wertgan]

Read and reproduce here further copies: Art. 15 p. 4. Let's sort it out together according to words

[Normal]

.

Quote: WertGan

Read on and bring copies here further:

Yes, you can? Thank you very much for your permission.

Quote: WertGan

Art. 15 p. 4. Let's sort it out together according to words

Well, since you propose to disassemble together according to words, then you yourself give the text of the 4th paragraph of the 15th article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
Explain why this item caught your attention.
State with what specifically, according to your words, you do not agree.
Only after that I will present to you my opinion on paragraph 4 of Article 15 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

[Wertgan]

Are the communists in favor of living as a commune? For the abolition of borders and the brotherhood of the proletariat? The communists have long outlived their usefulness. There was only a political circus with the name of their party. By the way, let's remember that it was the Communist Party of the Russian Federation that had a hand in the fall of the CPSU. So it means that it is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and Zyu that are the direct liquidators of the USSR? Think about it.

[Far B]

Borya, is there an exhaust with a change in the constitution under the sun-like? You promised so, you, naturally, ate the earth from a flower pot, that just about, and here it is! Borya, where ?! Borya, how many times do we have to wait another 20 years? Borya, naturally, I won't drink that much. Give a sign, Borya!

[Asad]

Borya has merged!

[Revival]

Expected and familiar!

[Roman070280]

ihde exhaust with a constitutional change under the sun-like? You promised so, you naturally ate the earth from a flower pot,

All sorts of corrupt State Department years and a lot of things were promised about the pension reform .. Now no one even remembers about the exhaust ..

[Roman070280]

He advocated the preservation of the Constitution, written for us by the State Department, thanks to which is robbing Russia on a "legal" basis and, accordingly, all of us.

After the amendments, Russia is being plundered simply legally .. without quotes ..

Call for legal rallies

Yes, for this in general it was necessary to shoot ..))

Is this not a call to violent change of power?

Boris is such a Boris ..))

shl. Before learning to write, a person usually already knows how to distinguish between the concepts - Legal and Violent .. However, as we can see, there are exceptions ..

[unaha]

"A year has passed and we can already judge the amendments made" - that's for sure, you can.

"The constitution of Limpopo says:" Everyone has the unconditional right and guarantee for one free banana every day. "
Then the King of Limpopo Frederick the First issues a decree: "For uncoordinated eating of a banana - throw it into the river with crocodiles."

Limpopo's constitution says: “Everyone has an unconditional right and a guarantee of life. Slavery is prohibited. "
Then King Frederic the First of Limpopo issues a decree: "For an uncoordinated attempt to survive and illegal refusal to become a slave - confiscation of the hut (and into the river with crocodiles)."

[north 2]

I now know that Memorial, to which I have a negative attitude, recognized Platoshkin as a political prisoner. Also, Amnesty International, to which I have an even more negative attitude, recognized Platoshkin as a prisoner of conscience. But it is interesting who recognized Platoshkin Zyuganov and his CP of the Russian Federation, to whom I would know how they relate if I knew who they recognized Platoshkin after the charges against him and after the court verdict. No, my negative attitude towards Memorial and Amnesty International is not at all because of their opinion towards Platoshkin. But the public opinion of Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, about who Platoshkin is today, would be what would determine the true face of both Zyuganov and his Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and then I would know who to consider them and how to treat them ...

[Gardener91]

Quote: north 2

But the public opinion of Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, about who Platoshkin is today, would be what would determine the true face and Zyuganov

Zyuganov is a naphthalene populist. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation and Zyuganov are combined only in the words of Zyu himself, but listening to him sometimes even causes nostalgia. All statements about Platoshkin from Zyuganov can be streamlined and "harmless", as always, they will not make much of the weather. The elections are coming soon however.

[Overlock]

Quote: north 2

I now know that Memorial, to which I have a negative attitude, recognized Platoshkin as a political prisoner. Also, Amnesty International, to which I have an even more negative attitude, recognized Platoshkin as a prisoner of conscience.

What do you say to that?

There is no need to introduce Denikin, but Shmelev?
Shmelev justified fascism

[north 2]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: north 2

I now know that Memorial, to which I have a negative attitude, recognized Platoshkin as a political prisoner. Also, Amnesty International, to which I have an even more negative attitude, recognized Platoshkin as a prisoner of conscience.

What do you say to that?

There is no need to introduce Denikin, but Shmelev?
Shmelev justified fascism

Since Putin is not some kind of socialist, like Platoshkin or like Zyuganov, who also constantly talks about socialism and the ideas of socialism, then I would like to know the attitude of Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to the leader of the Socialist Party of the Russian Federation Platoshkin and his trial. As for Putin's attitude to Denikin, Shmelev, and especially to Ilyin, my view of this attitude is extremely negative. Extremely negative. As well as a view of Putin's attitude to Solzhenitsyn, to Yeltsin, Gorbachev, to Sobchak.

[Overlock]

Quote: north 2

As for Putin's attitude to Denikin, Shmelev, and especially to Ilyin, my view of this attitude is extremely negative.

Only

[Maks1995]

Expected.
Platoshkin was defended.
The Kremlin condemned. for "not convicted - not a thief"
Everything is polite, politically correct, without calling a spade a spade.

Navalny was no longer so correct, and called on his supporters to be planted further.
For what? Yes, for nothing in essence - for rallies not approved from above (that is, for what the real defenders of the people should do and the Bolsheviks were once doing.)

In general, an example of a polite and intelligent socialist in all its glory.

[Artemion3]

The Asian system of justice, when power is divine and infallible

[Nikkon]

The fact that Platoshkin called for rallies during the quarantine period is for sure. And he spoke on TV (OTP seems to be), and no one flickered. The position of the author is not clear. What does he want? So that Platoshkin was acquitted because the Menu was canceled for a period of time, or so that the Menu was thrown over because Platoshkin was not acquitted?

[SVD68]

Quote: Nikkon

The fact that Platoshkin called for rallies during the quarantine period is for sure.

Tell me, with what legal document was the quarantine introduced?

[Drugov]

He called for legal rallies, repeating the word legitimate twice in each sentence. I translate into Russian, if the administration refused in the prescribed manner to an application for an event, then no one held such rallies, there are a lot of such refusals on hand, so do not come up with something that did not exist.

[tatra]

That's right, "to each his own", and the pro-Western "liberals" -Rusophobes under Putin-complete freedom of speech.

[Gardener91]

Democracy. For the people of blinders, for the authorities and officials, corruption with lawlessness.

[BISMARCK94]

We are very fond of fighting extremism. And the authorities can call anyone an extremist. Oh, how convenient!
All around the cursed extremists ...

[andrew42]

Judging by the demographics for 20 years, the "fighters against extremism" themselves are extremists with the task of degenerating the country.

[Roman070280]

Okay, just note - "justice has been done." Lawyer Murad Musaev will inform the press that the criminal case discontinued due to the statute of limitations.

Furgal cried sadly somewhere.

[Per se.]

It’s interesting for us, in such a great Russia, right? He stole millions - the main thing is to make a smart face and stretch out the time. Enlisting the support of someone in the upper echelons. Well, or "fitting" a good piece to the powerful of this world like Abramovich. They will not leave in zeal ...

[iouris]

Court decisions are not discussed, but executed.

[Knell wardenheart]

"Good" Platoshkin called for rallies and sat down, but no one (almost no one, probably) came out to hold a rally for him. The "bad" Navalny with his "pernicious ideas" and "other people's manuals" called for rallies and sat down (not for this “de jure”), but they just came out to rally for him.
The question of which of these people is "to the right" is a question of aesthetics, but which of them is more effective is not a question for me. We have quite smart leftists in our country, with long beards and a lot of folds on the forehead, scientific or pseudo-scientific works - but from year to year I see how at important elections the representatives of the leftist idea lose their electoral percentage in the mass, and I, as a voter, ask the question - WHERE ARE ALL THESE CLEAR GUYS? If they are so wise and skillful - where is the party stuffed with them like Krakow sausage? There is no such thing - as it was mossy and more and more lured by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation - it has remained. As was the microscopic patchwork SR, and so it remained. What are all these wise men doing during this sad time? Where are some large-scale or effective or leading to effective results of their activities, especially the activities of the COLLECTIVE, because they love to sing about collectivism so much? I do not see any kind of life-giving force in their ideas, in relation to other ideas, or in their methods, in relation to the methods of other opposition groups, I do not see coherence in their actions - although the ideas that LIKE LIKE are behind all the "left" are quite specific and for a long time painted, in theory, just with coherence everything should be there. Ok. But no, peace and quiet and God's grace with rallies for a couple of thousand people.

To come to power, it is not enough to be smart or sharp, you need to have teeth and you need to be able to work with them. These are the people who climb up in spite of everything - and armchair calligraphy masters remain so.

[Per se.]

We need more money, and a lot of money, we have capitalism. In our case, even with money, - "The policy here is simple: either you are" for ", or explain where the loot comes from" (a phrase from the movie "Fool's Day"). Now many would have to explain who could claim power. Even relatively "honest money" can easily turn against any applicant, simply by distorting everything, as with the same Grudinin.
Probably, something will change only when the preservation of "acquired by overwork" will be more important than the preservation of personal power, in a hard time, for example ... Then it will already be possible to talk about those who have teeth and fists, who can not screw up and do not be afraid.

[Knell wardenheart]

Among the deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and among the members of the party there are enough rich and very rich people. Of course, this is not Abramovichi-Deripaska, but organizing the expansion of supporters with this money is a real thing, the same Navalny and the company proved that it is real to expand even in the event of the utmost attention of the authorities. There would be desire and creative brains. I do not see either one or the other in the case of left-wing forces - as they say, "if you want, you will find a thousand opportunities, if you do not want, you will find a thousand reasons."
Here we are not even talking about the strategy of coming to power - we are talking about expanding supporters and finding new methods for this expansion, instead of frankly boring newspapers and chants overgrown with moss. Now there are a lot of disgruntled people - but the closest thing to catching them was not partocrats with 30 years of experience, but some kind of dude, "beauty blogger" (c) with investigations from which hair in armpits stands on end. And immediately questions arise - why do I learn all this from some kind of "beauty blogger" and not from the officially represented left opposition, for which I regularly vote? Etc. There are a lot of questions, but if you cut off all unnecessary, then the picture is unambiguous - they swam fat, aged, stupid - into the dustbin of history.

[Per se.]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Here we are not even talking about the strategy of coming to power - we are talking about expanding supporters and finding new methods for this expansion, instead of frankly boring newspapers and chants overgrown with moss.

I completely agree with this. Where is the widespread use of the possibilities of the Internet, their radio stations, TV programs? Unfortunately, everything is at the level of the 1905 leaflets.
The whole question is, can't they, or don't they want to? To this, undoubtedly, the one who wants will find opportunities, and not the one who wants reasons. In addition, one can engage in propaganda and agitation so ineptly that as a result we will get discredited communist ideology, the idea itself.

Who and where can create a new communist party, without dogmas, taking into account experience and common sense, when the renewed Soviet Union and socialism itself will be revived, without which Russia, and, in principle, the entire earthly civilization, has no bright future, the question is ...

[your1970]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

The good "Platoshkin called for rallies and sat down, but no one (almost no one, probably) came out to rally for him. The" bad "Navalny with his" pernicious ideas "and" other people's manuals "called for rallies and sat down (not for this" de jure "), but they just came out to hold a meeting for him.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

I do not see any kind of life-giving force in their ideas, in relation to other ideas, or in their methods, in relation to the methods of other opposition groups, I do not see coherence in their actions - although the ideas that LIKE LIKE are behind all the "left" are quite specific and for a long time painted, in theory, just with coherence everything should be there. Ok. But no, calm and quiet

Everything is simple - to say that everything is bad is easy ... It is difficult to do anything good ...
Writing a populist program is easy. For example, I can now sketch out beautiful ideas for ten pages ...
The trouble is that when ORDINARY people begin to read this, then a mountain of questions immediately arises, to which there are no answers. And people move away from such a politician ... After all, no one really married him to rallies ...

[Knell wardenheart]

There they all have some kind of programs - except for a pancake, the main program - "HOW TO COME TO GOVERNMENT" or even an intermediate program "HOW TO DOUBLE THE ELECTRICAL BASE." These are the two main questions on which such and such Navalny focused - and he was blamed for that that he "does not have a clear program." Well, no - and? There are a bunch of parties that have it - does it help them? Not really.
All these programs are abstractions, "declarations of intent" - how the practice begins by the authorities, everything or a lot will fly into the furnace from this, it is enough to recall how the Bolsheviks were crushed and sausage when they gained power, how the new authorities were sausage in the 90s. And what kind of "thinkers", "lawyers", "economists" were sitting there.
So I think that the programs are secondary - there are enough of some consistent theses, because the presence of the Talmud in the hands of no one yet made Moses.

[depressant]

Knell, I agree with you.
The meaning of any political party is the struggle for the highest power in the country. In our case, the president. To implement our own political and economic program. Otherwise, it is not a political party, but political palm oil paid from the voter's kaman.

And now I have a question. The chairmen of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or the SR, or what do they have there now, at least once were presidential candidates? Zyuganov and Mironov? Ah, no ... Then it turns out that these people are just parliamentary parasites, voting after the theatrical cries of "How long!" and a stormy debate just exactly what caused these hypocritical screams.
And then they justify themselves, they say, we are few in the State Duma. We do not have the required number of deputies to prevent the adoption of laws that discriminate against the population.
And you, Comrade Zyuganov and Mr. Mironov, take it and announce that you are going to the presidential elections as presidential candidates in 23 and will immediately gain an electorate already in 21.
Well, so how? .. Is your gut thin? Afraid, right?

[Knell wardenheart]

Hello Lyudmila!
I remember the years when at least Zyuganov ran for the top post - his "swan song" was in 1996, when he entered the second round. Did the communists then have the electorate and the ability to fight? I think they did. There were enough left-wing patriotic forces in the country. However, that round was passed - despite the fact that, compared to today's methods, the strategy of suppressing the opposition was just a childish prank - with all the "Xerox boxes" and aggressive black PR. Yes, and the Communist Party then had a majority in the State Duma - after a while they lost it, but the question is that it was - and there was also a 2% support barrier. That is, these are lost values, lost supporters and electorate. For me, this - and not what respectable men say, is an indicator. If I see decreasing dynamics, everything is bad, and this will be the most accurate answer. If I see it growing, everything is fine, that is, things are developing the way they should develop in a dynamic system. In our political life, things are not going "well" - only EdRo shows positive dynamics - not because it is strong, because its opponents are worthless.
Does this dynamics force them to somehow consolidate and look for ways to "reverse the trend"? NOT ! I do not see this, as well as new faces - all the same puppeteers, all the same dolls.
Thirty years later, the "Left Idea" was unable to organize itself effectively enough, having slipped to growing solidarity with the class enemy, hand in hand with "the best traditions of late Brezhnev." Individual apologists for leftist thought, who do not adhere to the official key, were unable to create something effective, "alive", their own - to actualize ideas, find an optimal strategy for recruiting supporters. I admit - there are individuals worthy of attention and respect, there are also fighters - but at the moment the system is divided into "talk" and "guru" - they are satisfied with their small-scale struggle, their small and large troughs with food - from all this I make for the conclusion that at the moment the leftist idea is rather dead than alive. And that it is naive to believe that some of these "kings" are figures comparable to the leaders of the past so revered by them.

[depressant]

Here I am about the same. Where something has departed, it has arrived elsewhere. The loss of the electorate by the left movement brought his former and, most importantly, potential supporters under the wing of the provocateur Navalny, and it is not known who the latter serves. Either the State Department, or Putin, or some undeclared oligarchic get-together, trying with his hands to dislodge Putin's party and hang out in power itself. In any case, it quickly became clear that Navalny did not represent the interests of the majority of citizens.
And so I ask: "Is there a suitable party for me?" And the mournful is heard:
"There is no such party!"
There is no party that would defend the interests of an ordinary citizen, which threatens the integrity of the country. But this is one of my interests. And as a result of unscrupulous political and economic fuss, designed to portray democracy, my country, by all accounts, is entering a half-life, and only a fine line separates it from disaster. The Kremlin also understands to what extent they have brought the situation by rejecting a party that could unite many nations and nationalities of our country, even if not a communist one. Hence - the tightening of laws against publicity. But this is a double-edged sword.

[Drugov]

So you have few examples of what happened to those who tried to do this? How many oppositionists of one sort or another have gone through the trial, how many have their skulls broken, damaged their health, how many have their businesses taken away? One can only guess how many of those with whom they had preventive conversations.

[Knell wardenheart]

This is now absolutely neither to the village nor to the city. If we are talking about the 90s, then the communists still had enough authority in society and in the power structures as well. Revanchist sentiments are still very popular, I can imagine how popular they were in the power environment in the 90s. So then there was enough soil - it was NOT used. The second opportunity was in the 2008 elections - the DAM was essentially nothing, EdRo had already thoroughly discredited itself. From the moment of the decision to run for DAM, there was enough time to prepare for the struggle - at least for the expansion of the electorate and the actualization of the left forces in politics. No, and did not try. In the 2008s, we still had a rather mild political climate compared to what we are seeing now. Okay, let's go further - here we have 2018, 4 years of "success" behind, except for "Dagger-Poseidon" the cat has written joy. Is there discontent in society? There is. Is there already at least 3 years of Mr. Navalny's example of expanding his electoral base? There is. And there is an example of political synchronization - the same "smart voting". There was something to think about - there was something to dazzle - what did the left forces do? The leftist forces smoked bamboo. Mr. Suraykin got out from somewhere, chatted and disappeared. In fact, Grudinin puffed for all leftist forces. Yes, they pressed the peasant later (and during this period), they pressed him tightly - but also because the left forces behind him set their tail between their legs. There are no fighters there for a long time. So what you have voiced about the threats, etc., is only partly true, the main threat for these people is the loss of gilded chairs under the professor's tails.

[Drugov]

You somehow ask questions yourself and in many ways answer them yourself. According to DAM, the answer is simple, Putin stood behind him and the whole castling was understandable even to the yard dog, the figure of Navalny, with all his merits in exposing corruption, could never claim any significant percentage in any elections, he is too much western-oriented and loving loud coin, all sorts of Suraikins is a complete trash, but Grudinin showed that leftist sentiments are very present, after which he was immediately trampled into shit. And this was a signal to everyone else that there was no need to fight against the administrative resource and everyone was afraid. All except Platoshkin, for which he was punished. In any reflection on this topic, as well as on any other truth, there will be only partly, because each has its own. but the fact remains that the political field has been burned out and there are very few people willing to go against the system, just a few. How can you declare yourself when you get hit in the head with any attempt to get up?

[your1970]

Quote: Drugov

Grudinin showed that leftist sentiments are very present, after which he was immediately trampled into shit.

Hmm .... so NOT trampled down - it was only necessary prepare for the elections. Deal with your accounts abroad for example ... And then there are no accounts! - oh, there is! - oh yes there are small amounts! - oh yesterday I closed one, forgot the second ...
And this is his not NATO was trampled either by pensioners or oligarchs or by the military or China or gas workers or doctors or environmentalists or single mothers or emergency housing ..... Not global problems, no - just the media ....
Just the media trampled on - how they regularly pour dirt on ALL (!!!!!) politicians of the world.
And he immediately turned sour, immediately blown away before our eyes ...
Z. Y.
And this I am silent - that his program was strictly opposite to the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation

[Drugov]

You don't have to be so naive. The media is the fifth power. Today, it is the information field that influences the minds of the electorate in a way that never before. Remember how the fascists had a pro, give me the media and I will make a herd of pigs out of any nation. At the same time, I certainly do not shield Grudinin, but I understand why he kept all his funds in foreign accounts.

[your1970]

Quote: Drugov

, but I understand why he kept all his funds in foreign accounts.

Candidate from COMMUNIST the party keeps money in foreign accounts .....
You understand the wild nonsense of the situation ????? !!!!!
If he were a liberal, democrat, socialist, Nazi, it doesn't even matter who - anyone, but from the communists ...
The media is of course the power, who argues ...
But if you went to the polls, be ready ... Everything further is perfectly described 150 years ago by M, Twain in his story about the elections ...
Z. Y.
By the way, he is relevant now as a satirist writer

[Drugov]

Twain is beautiful, there is no doubt, and his entire collection is about elections for all ages. As for Grudinin, first of all, it is absolutely obvious that collaboration with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is an extremely forced measure, because other parties of the conventionally left wing that have at least a hypothetical chance of voters' loyalty, well, simply did not exist, and by the way there is still no, well, maybe Shevchenko's RPSS today is possible these include, but what are the chances of Shevchenko getting to the September elections? Not very chances to put it mildly. The communists needed a fresh face, and the face was a serious party, albeit with a disgusting background. And everyone achieved their goals, on the screen we saw the conditional representative of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Grudinin, and Grudinin himself promoted his persona in the upper classes of the Russian establishment, but the candidate clearly did not expect, due to lack of experience in such events, that the relevant authorities would take it so dashingly and immediately will pull out into the light all his accounts hidden from the Russian system of confiscation of wealth. Every more or less successful businessman in our country knows perfectly well what threatens his savings if kept at home. Sooner or later it will become known about them and people will come for them, therefore they immediately withdraw all the profits. one can only guess what card Zyuganov played in this game, but knowing this weather vane, one can safely assume that at some stage they completely stopped advising and supporting Grudinin, hence all these punctures with scores. As a result, Grudinin is in shit, and grandfather Zyu, as if nothing had happened, was again at the helm of the party, which everyone heard about again.

[tank64rus]

Yes, this is not 37 years old. The bottom flew back under Serdyukov. I have no words.

[Alex66]

Why, I would like to ask why all those supporters of Navalny, who called for unauthorized rallies, did not receive the deadline? Why Platoshkin was tried

But after all, all the latest actions of the authorities are aimed at destroying the economy (look at the growth of our economy), angering people against the authorities (retirement robbery), contempt for the authorities (when they say that no one asked to give birth or about macaros, like pastries in France). The government is destroying the country by preparing places for itself in Mediterranean resorts (real estate, citizenship, accounts abroad, capital withdrawal). The handkerchiefs could interfere, could deprive them of a "bright" future.

[Desperado]

Quote: Per se.

Now, many would have to explain in this way who could claim power. Even relatively "honest money" can easily turn against any applicant, simply by distorting everything, as with the same Grudinin.

Grudinin simply "stepped out" of the flags given to him. And as soon as he "got out" for them (he wanted fair, fair elections), he was mixed with shit. I haven’t seen such a quantity of feces in the media for a long time;

[kig]

And moreover, for a long time already it all drags on and on

[yuratanja1950]

"Therefore, one received at least a suspended sentence, ..............., the second will enjoy freedom and prospects, despite the stolen 700 million." ...

I just did not understand why the conversation is about MIKHAIL Men, and under the photo there is a signature ALEXANDER Men ...
And so ... you can slide to dictatorship, to autocracy, when the entire system of justice depends on the wishes of the autocrat ...
On the ground, in the outback, far from Moscow, you probably won't find the truth at all?

[Pilot]

Today the truth is only where there is no or scanty presence of this “state” - in the wilderness. I can't say anything about the topic of Russian crooked justice - there are no censorship words.

[andrew42]

Here, rather, it is not even the wish of the autocrat, but the zeal of lackeys. And he is not an autocrat. So, settling / watching.

[Cherry Nine]

I dislike - to put it mildly - the left, but for a long time I came to the conclusion that in the Beautiful Russia of the Future - if it ever happens, contrary to the obvious - only those people who, under Putin, were at least wanted or for a day, can be elected to top positions. ...

[Evil 55]

Seriously said ... would not be a provocation.

[yfast]

Our shepherd turned his flock somewhere wrong. And some of the rams (sheep, by the way, too) from that flock here bleat that "everything is just wonderful, the road is even and trampled", forgetting to add "here."

[Alt 22]

Here, at the risk of causing displeasure among the people of Formum, it is appropriate to use one word - Putinism.

[lelik613]

A worthy son, a worthy father. Dixi.

[Wertgan]

Eh, Roman, Roman ... Your political view is not correct. Mix everything in a heap.

[Glagol1]

This government does not need the respect of the people. They are on their own. But we were bad students at school in history, not aware of how it always ends. Just imagine if such wonderful people as Platoshkin were in power ... How would we rush forward! But not our case, again through the tsunami we will be renewed ...

[isv000]

It seems that everything is being built around, but as you look, the infrastructure is being built, so that it would be easier to export everything to the west. Yes, our subsoil belongs to the people, but as soon as they got it, it’s gone ...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Auto RU!

On the direct instructions of me, the Ivanovo Regional Duma adopted a number of normative legal acts

Correct the novel, the constituent entities of the Russian Federation are not authorized to issue normative legal acts, this is the prerogative of federal institutions of power.

[andrew42]

Such as this Men are real "heroes of our time", the glue and support of the state system. Proven by the result of the trial. And people like Platoshkin are "enemies of the state" who encroach on the foundations of the existence of mediocre, unscrupulous, unprincipled hucksters who call on the dying "pasture" population to "patriotism." Proven by the result of another lawsuit. As Comrade Sukhov said: "Are there any questions? - No questions."

[aries2200]

CONCLUSION that we are under the control of Americans through civil servants, not Ukraine

[Charik]

so it will be until no one knows what time, you will speak and show what kind of rot is in power, in turm, and steal yards from an official place-order

[seacap]

While the guarantor, who created this system, communicates with the TV, pretending that everything is fine with him, his pack of bureaucrats, stupefied with permissiveness and irresponsibility, lack of control and dough, rage in the vastness of our vastness. We do not have a judicial and legal system, complete lack of control and immunity, which means irresponsibility to anyone, nepotism and crime have turned this "monolith" into an instrument of terror and repression, and there has long been no talk of protecting the rule of law and citizens. People are already shying away from the courts and policemen, especially the low-income 90% of the population and without "connections" are doomed to lose any case, risking an inadequate sentence to discourage other slaves.