NI: Moscow is the best place to survive a nuclear war

Russia is one of the countries with the best missile defense and continues to modernize its "nuclear umbrella" to protect its territory. This is the conclusion reached by the author of an article published in the American magazine The National Interest, Caleb Larson.

According to the author, the best place to survive an atomic war is Moscow, not London or Washington. Larson draws attention to the missile defenses built around the Russian capital. He writes that the new missile defense system, tentatively named A-235, is being developed taking into account the shortcomings of the previous Soviet and Russian anti-missile systems and in the future should intercept all targets, including hypersonic ones.

The Soviet Union created a missile defense system around Moscow back in the 50s of the last century, Larson writes. It was called A-35 and consisted of four rings that surrounded the capital. However, it was not ideal and the United States could overcome it in case of war. After the collapse of the USSR, the missile defense system was modernized, work was carried out in 1995. Missiles and radar stations have been added.

Now Russia is creating a modern missile defense system, which takes into account all the shortcomings of previous versions of missile defense. As a result, Moscow should receive a new "nuclear shield" capable of protecting it.

Attention is drawn to the fact that in the Western press, some authors seriously count on the fact that they will be able to survive a nuclear war at all. Inexhaustible optimism. Apparently, at one time they were poorly acquainted with the well-known issue of the program of the Russian TV journalist Dmitry Kiselev about "nuclear ash", as well as with the words of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin about who and where will go in the event of a nuclear conflict ...

In the end, Larson does not forget to add a fly in the ointment to the ointment, saying that due to economic difficulties, Russia may not complete its ambitious project and will be left without protection.

Comments

[For example]

Yankees are your place in hell. Experience the war there. Any. At least nuclear even on bows and arrows.
straight to Wilson, Hitler, Goebbels and other zhorams of the fifth ...

[Egoza]

Quote: For example

Yankees are your place in hell. Experience the war there.

They won't listen to you! Expect an influx of US refugees who will arrive early as soon as they are sure that their leadership has gone mad. And what are you going to do with all these guest workers?

[Orange bigg]

Better if they move to the United States. Then no nuclear war is needed to destroy the United States. Democrats will help everyone to move to the United States.

[credo]

Quote: Egoza

... Wait for the influx of refugees from the United States, who will arrive early as soon as they are sure that their leadership has gone crazy ...

It seems that Mr. Larsom is a non-staff employee of Rostourism, but as a journalist specializing in military topics, he decided in this way to promote tourism to Russia.
Unusual way to advertise

[Local from the Volga]

drown in decommissioned barges!

[Ros 56]

As where, the loot to our country, and them in geyrope, let NATa protect them.

[xorek]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: For example

Yankees are your place in hell. Experience the war there.

They won't listen to you! Expect an influx of US refugees who will arrive early as soon as they are sure that their leadership has gone mad. And what are you going to do with all these guest workers?

By the way, Elena, it will be so, exceptional people will rush to us and then it turns out that the land belongs to them, etc. And again, we are on service and protection.
In the Urals, a massive purchase of land and other things is quietly going on, but who exactly is not known .. (four years already) .. And Moscow, there it is not clear at all whose already.

[Wedmak]

No missile defense system is designed to repel a massive strike 100%. Something will fly by. And maybe this will be enough to create a landscape a la Metro.
The safest place in a nuclear war is a remote province with its own vegetable garden, a windmill and a well behind the bathhouse. If you're lucky, and the radioactive cloud will pass by ... well ... you can hold out there for the rest of your life. But it is not exactly.

[dauria]

The safest place in a nuclear war

Argentina. Brazil can. Even the carnival will not be interrupted. Unless the news will show. And there is no winter - there is no need to store firewood or hay for the cattle.
It's a pity that the mob prescription is not written in Rio de Janeiro.

[Shkodnick]

New Zealand, it's not for nothing that the rich of this world buy up cozy places under the sun there

[bk0010]

Quote: Wedmak

The safest place in a nuclear war is a remote province with its own vegetable garden,

The headline is not about a safe place, but about the best. In your province, you will have to fight, decontaminate nature, raise the economy, and in Moscow, it disappeared 20 minutes after the start of the war, and there were no problems.

[Wedmak]

Basically yes, evaporating is very fast and probably the best option in that area. God forbid to survive in the affected area ...

[Alien From]

Not their dog business!

[tralflot1832]

The best place to survive a nuclear war, the cellar with personal supplies and distillation is depleted, maybe the wound will need to be rinsed with alcohol.

[voyaka uh]

Add a few more cases of tart red wine like Cabernet
(only not with paint, but real) against radiation.
And a lot of patrons, since many people will appear from your cellar
refresh yourself (who has not made supplies).

[tralflot1832]

I don't like cabernet, even from my garden. Thank you for reminding me about Kalashnikovs.

[knn54]

In Soviet times, each district had a separate air defense army (subordinate directly to Moscow) and only two air defense districts - Moscow and Baku.

[Stepan S]

If we assume that as a result of a nuclear strike, the infrastructure will be destroyed and all the logistics for supplying the city are disrupted, then 12 million of the population will very quickly want to eat and drink. The best place to survive would be a countryside village with a field of potatoes.

[voyaka uh]

You just need to take into account that the ashes from numerous fires will rise high up
and wrap the earth in an even layer. The sun will be like "in the smoke". The so-called "nuclear
winter. "Cooling by a few degrees. Not forever, of course, but for two or three years.
The potato may not be fertile. You need to have a stock in advance.

[Stepan S]

About the nuclear winter, they say that not everything is so simple. Moreover, many missiles can be intercepted (theoretically), in practice no one wants to try

[Vadim237]

There will be a nuclear fall sooner than winter.

[Roman070280]

The best place to survive would be a village in the middle of nowhere with a field of potatoes.

All those will come there

12 million people will want to eat and drink very quickly

So at least 12 million more cartridges will be needed ..))

[Stepan S]

City people will not get there, they do not know how to move through forests and swamps without a metro.

[Roman070280]

Well, this is if it’s really - in the wilderness ..)) When there is not a single person around your barn for 500 miles .. There are not many such places ..
And so in any run-down village with 100 yards - half of them will not want to plant their own potatoes, but dig yours ..))
And bikers will also be visiting from the neighboring one.

[Alf]

Quote: Stepan S

City people will not get there, they do not know how to move through forests and swamps without a metro.

Especially modern urban ...

[Spring fluff]

The first reasonable words. Now, if you really imagine that a war began, even if not a nuclear one, but just a war, and something flew towards Moscow. Millions of 10 people (I do not even take into account the castles) are concentrated within the ring with a limited number of entries / exits, which on Fridays in peacetime are in hourly traffic jams. They all depend on electricity, water and food, then fuel and money. And the work of a significant part of the city's population during the war is not needed (are food stamps shining?). And so it began, and ... you don't have to go to your work in the morning (to the barbershop, bank, ...), and your family lives on the 10-15th floor of the panel (there will be electricity for the elevators? ) and wants to live, drink, eat. Food will continue to be sold in grocery stores (it is brought there from the bases, for this fuel is needed, will it still be on the free sale? Do you need to examine trucks for saboteurs?). In my opinion, Moscow looks like a trap.

[Spring fluff]

for understanding, you can read about the water supply of Moscow during the war:
http://www.vodainfo.com/ru/3558.html
From the very beginning of the war, by decision of the State Defense Committee, the Water Supply and Sewerage Administration was transformed into the 3rd regiment of local air defense, ...
... during wartime, street water lines became vulnerable, due to an emergency power outage, interruptions in the operation of pumping stations could occur. ... To create a system of reserve sources at industrial enterprises, hundreds of artesian wells were repaired and brought into readiness. ... Good quality underground water could be obtained from a depth of 120-140 m, but there were not enough pipes and equipment to drill new wells. ... on the sludge sites of the Lublin aeration station, an imitation of the Moscow oil refinery was built from empty oil barrels, ... there was a catastrophic lack of oil. At the Rublevskaya waterworks, under the leadership of chief engineer Vladimir Ivanovich Markizov, boiler rooms were reequipped for heating with wood and coal from the Moscow region. Station workers went to the forest for fuel. ... In this way, for two winters in the huge buildings of filters and pumping stations, it was possible to maintain a temperature of 3-4 degrees Celsius, which made it possible not to freeze the water. ... People did not go home for weeks or months, they slept right there, on folding beds, so that in an emergency situation they would immediately be on the spot.

[markant1970]

Moscow is not all of Russia
It is necessary to "cover" the entire population, and not "go straight to heaven"
The example of Israel, as they say on the "face", all cities are "covered"

[Wedmak]

It is not correct to compare the territory of Israel and the Russian Federation. We have no missile defense and air defense enough to cover everyone.

[markant1970]

Correctly, it is not correct, but you need to cover the entire population, not individual parts of it. Or do you think that politicians "working with language" and provoking a nuclear conflict are more worthy to be "covered" than a simple hard worker or peasant engaged in real production

[Wedmak]

It doesn't matter what I think there. The fact remains that it is possible to completely cover a small territory, but not a large one.

[markant1970]

We are not talking over the entire territory, but the places of a possible nuclear strike must be covered regardless of the costs

[Wedmak]

Tau you yourself wrote:

The example of Israel, as they say on the "face", all cities are "covered"

Who told you that all places with critical infrastructure are not covered? Especially before the war.

[markant1970]

I wrote - "the entire population" and "places of possible nuclear strike", we are not talking about uninhabited territories

[your1970]

Quote: markant1970

Correctly, it is not correct, but you need to cover the entire population, not individual parts of it. Or do you think that politicians "working with language" and provoking a nuclear conflict are more worthy to be "covered" than a simple hard worker or peasant engaged in real production

In the USSR, Moscow and Leningrad were covered, partially millionaires and all ... The rest

Quote: markant1970

simple hard worker or peasant

were not covered by anything, nothing at all ...
Have you ever wondered why ????

Quote: markant1970

The example of Israel, as they say on the "face", all cities are "covered"

- not anymore...
And the direction - where the Israeli economy flies because of the launch of a rocket, the cost of half a Lama bucks on a rocket worth 2 pieces of bucks - is also known ...

[Vadim237]

Why will there be enough about 160 divisions of C 500 3000 missiles like the 51T6 only modernized, each of which will have 9 transatmospheric kinetic interceptors plus the existing C 400 C 300B4 and C300 PMU 1- 2 divisions, not 100% interception on warheads will not provide but more than 90% the main task of missile defense will definitely be ensured to minimize damage as much as possible - the United States withdrew from the ABM treaty in the early 2000s, but Russia did not officially withdraw from it. Even if 1% of Russian GDP is allocated for this in 10-15 years, it is quite possible to create such a domestic missile defense system.

[stepka_razin]

already in 30 years have created, the miracle of uraha

[smaug78]

The rest of the country, how will it be protected?

[bk0010]

Quote: markant1970

It is necessary to "cover" the entire population, and not "go straight to heaven"

In Moscow, the missile defense was not covering the population, but the bunker; the goal was not to survive, but to give additional time for the transfer of the command. Let me just remind you that the first generation missile defense missiles had a 2 MT warhead with an undefined detonation height, they do not cover their population with this.

[Vadim237]

Now, such warheads have been abandoned in view of the fact that the first one during an explosion will light up all the radar of the missile defense system and it will remain blind - kinetic interception is much more efficient and cheaper to manufacture.

[Jacket in stock]

We see the reliability of missile defense systems in Israel very well now.
Self-made water pipes filled with gunpowder can easily pierce the highly advanced "iron dome".
In the same way, you can break through A235 if you wish. Moreover, the effect of even one missed warhead will be much more noticeable than from hundreds of "kassams".
So it's best not to even dream that you will survive a vigorous bombing while sitting in London or Moscow.
You can, of course, not be afraid of somewhere in Bolivia or Nigeria, but there can be something blown by the wind.
And again, as they wrote in the next topic, the structure of the world order will change very much, which will not be noticed unless the Indians in the Amazon. And even that is not a fact. For the priorities and standards of behavior can also change greatly, and, for example, the commandment of the European religion "Thou shalt not kill" and "Do not covet the will of your neighbor" will easily become irrelevant.

[t-12]

"Self-made pipes" successfully hit Ashkelon along a flat trajectory (Ashkelon is located 10 km from Gaza). There, the "iron dome" does not always work.

The rest of the missiles (almost all) were successfully shot down.

[bk0010]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Self-made water pipes filled with gunpowder can easily pierce the highly advanced "iron dome".

As long as there is gunpowder in the pipes, not plutonium, individual breakthroughs are not critical, the Dome, judging by the video, knocks down a lot of missiles, an analogue (on Thor missiles, for example) would be useful to us, to cover the same Khimki.

[Aleksandr97]

If they praise, then this is most likely a distraction from the true goal for the next dirty trick ... Especially against the background of the development of "alternate airfields" by billionaires and the small British aristocracy in New Zealand.

[Roman070280]

Attention is drawn to the fact that in the Western press some authors seriously count on the fact that a nuclear war in general will be able to survive.

Why not??
A couple of months ago, there were several good articles here, where just such a war was considered, taking into account the entire available number of nuclear weapons ..
And there, quite reasonably, there was a talk about the fact that no "grinding into powder" will work ..

[Stepan S]

It may not be possible to erase it, but the damage to the infrastructure and everything that we are used to seeing and having in our life will be serious. Not everyone will be able to survive and survive in the circumstances that have arisen. Here in Florida the light went out for a couple of days, and the horror is terrible, but if it disappears for ... completely? And not only him.

[Roman070280]

Well, essno - it won't be sweet without energy and fuel ..
But, again - if "statehood" remains - the simplest things will quickly return .. The horror of a man and without a leg in an accident - and then he lives as if nothing had happened .. You can wipe the back of a burdock, with a UN Australia a thread of wheat will throw off helicopters .. Slowly light and gas will appear ..
They live in a conditional Somalia now ..))

The author basically, I think, meant that everyone would just die .. ash, winter, radiation, mutants .. jealous of the dead, etc ..
I think otherwise .. the photos of the current Hiroshima are impressive ..))

[Stepan S]

You can wipe your backside with a burdock; from Australia, the UN will throw off a thread of wheat from helicopters ..

Yes, if there are 10 million asses in the city, where are all the mugs to eat? Can you imagine what will happen without utility systems in a few days? And where will the UN be and will there be at all, after a nuclear war?

[BISMARCK94]

Moscow as a whole is like another state ... Everything they have there is the best, even a nuclear war can be survived. People live)

[t-12]

Is this a joke? 15 million city, the highest population density, the highest dependence on communications. Moreover, Moscow is the primary target of a nuclear strike. And any missile defense system can be neutralized (with false warheads, for example).

In the event of a nuclear war, I would like to be anywhere but Moscow.

[Krasnodar]

Moscow and Washington are undoubtedly the best places for a nuclear war, because their population will not have time to know that it has begun.

[Gennady Fomkin]

economic difficulties Russia may not complete its ambitious project and will be left without protection ..... Escho and the Chinese have built a missile defense system ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: t-12

"Self-made pipes" successfully hit Ashkelon along a flat trajectory (Ashkelon is located 10 km from Gaza). There, the "iron dome" does not always work.

The rest of the missiles (almost all) were successfully shot down.

There is funny arithmetic. Hamas is talking about 200, Israel is talking about 600. It's just like fishing about the size of the fish caught.

[ivpe211]

no missile defense can be used against a MIRV. So only against the minutemans.

[Vadim237]

It depends on the functionality of the missile defense radars and the number of missiles and the number of interceptors on the missile itself, if there are enough of them, then most of them will intercept, thereby minimizing the damage inflicted on the attacked country.

[3danimal]

Why? GMD with GBI interceptors ($ 100 million each) has a range of up to 5000 km and a max speed higher than the first space one.
There is a chance to intercept the "bus" before the warhead is disengaged
And even if the disengagement took place, it is still possible to intercept part of the warhead.

[ivpe211]

purely on time do not have time.
All this gbi was done against the DPRK.

[3danimal]

It was made, but it has characteristics that no one else has.
The early warning system will transmit messages, the radars will begin to track targets.
The power of the interceptors is even better than the MBBR will have

[3danimal]

Best place - Bali, South America, South Africa, New Zealand, etc.
Away from the participants in this war, there is no need to hide in a bunker.

[An64]

The magazine, a member of the editorial board of which is Pushkov, and the magazine itself is published by a friend of Nikonov, raises serious doubts about its objectivity and professionalism.
Why isn't Safeguard removed from service being analyzed? How much does Moscow's modern defense system replicate Safeguard? It seems to me that it is 99% copied, which means that it has the same shortcomings ...

[smaug78]

Rave. Unfortunately, the missile defense (even ours) will not intercept 100% of the missiles.

[TerraSandera]

Perhaps this is the worst place to be, the best is Siberia. On the other hand, if the roads to / from Moscow are blocked, nuclear weapons will not be required.

[Neohumanoyd]

I have a motor boat in my garage)) You can swim away .... But seriously, I think the targets of nuclear weapons in the first phase of the war will be military and strategic objects ... Specially to hit residential buildings in the 21st century, though ....

[TerraSandera]

Well sorry. Moscow is here in all respects. And in the military and in the resource, and the top of power there and much more. So there are no options, the most delicious goal. And the people? In the 21st century, human life is valued exactly as it was 100 and 200 years ago. If it is necessary and possible to carry out everything successfully (with minimal losses for oneself), no crimes are considered. Winners are not judged.

[Andrey Sushkov]

Now, in a week they will cut each other into salami, well, or into foie gras ...

[Andrey Sushkov]

And when in "Coins", "Pyaterochka" and other "Magnets" the grub will end Muscovites will eat each other?