Specialists from St. Petersburg patented a robotic transport-loading system for tanks, self-propelled guns and infantry fighting vehicles

One of the problems in the case of conducting an operation with those involved in it tanks is a limited resource of ammunition. The greater the intensity of hostilities in a certain sector of the front, the faster the tank ammunition is consumed. Without it, the tank turns into a relatively easy target for the enemy, and at best, into an armored vehicle to protect the crew for the possibility of its withdrawal from the immediate combat zone (with its possible subsequent return after replenishing the ammunition load).

This problem will be solved by the project of the TZS (transport-loading system), which is patented by the specialists of the Military Academy of Logistics (St. Petersburg). This system is, in fact, robot, created on the basis of MT-LB - in its extended version.

The cargo compartment of the tractor, on the basis of the project, represents the placed ammunition supply mechanism. The control can be carried out by the operator from a distance of up to 5 thousand meters.

The system can make it possible to quickly replenish the tank ammunition at the front line. Also, the robotic loading system can be used in the interests of the crews of self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles and other types of armored vehicles, which characterizes it as universal. In turn, this versatility speaks of the uniqueness of the project itself. Foreign versions are capable of replenishing the ammunition load of self-propelled artillery mounts only. In particular, we are talking about the American XM2002. Such an installation is not capable of working with infantry fighting vehicles and tanks, and also cannot be controlled remotely.

The creators of the Russian project note that the use of a robotic vehicle will reduce the loading time of an armored vehicle (tank, infantry fighting vehicle, self-propelled guns) with shells by about 4 times, as well as reduce the physical load on the crew.

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[knn54]

-created on the basis of MT-LB - in its extended version.
It should be easier-MT-LBu.
I wonder what the Chinese will do ...

[antivirus]

onboard trucks with mattresses will be transported to the front line - simply launch rockets from the mattresses.

[Usher]

Quote: antivirus

onboard trucks with mattresses will be transported to the front line - simply launch rockets from the mattresses.

It is rather applicable to us. China has long overtaken us in terms of equipment.

[Incvizitor]

As usual, they just silently steal, and the FSA is unlikely to pay attention to patents, they only lie and steal.

[Victor_B]

It is clear that MTLB with shells will drive up to the loading point desertedly.

The creators of the Russian project note that the use of a robotic vehicle will reduce the loading time of an armored vehicle (tank, infantry fighting vehicle, self-propelled guns) with shells by about 4 times, as well as reduce the physical load on the crew.

But!
In the T-72, shells are manually loaded through the top hatch of the turret.
Well, how can you download them faster using a robot?
So at least the driver could help.
Mnkhvod will not open boxes and take from the ground, but from ... what?
If only they will raise it to the level of the tower.

[Wedmak]

In the T-72, shells are manually loaded through the top hatch of the turret.

Can be mounted on MTLBu some kind of frame with a conveyor. Projectiles and charges are transmitted along it. But there, of course, the stacking has to supply everything to this conveyor.

[For example]

Fit shots to the front line for the tank ...

Taking into account the fact that the tankers used up all their ammunition to force these guys under fire to load the tank.

Tankers are people too.

It is necessary to withdraw the tank from the battlefield because the tankers have completed their task.

Imagine what a hell it was on the battlefield if all the ammunition was used up.

Get the crew out.

If MTLB can get to the battlefield, why can't a tank get to the rear?

Give people a few hours to rest.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: For example

Give people a few hours to rest.

The concept of interchangeable crews has been exciting the minds of tank scientists for a long time!

[For example]

I'm not talking about changing the crew.
I mean that there are people in the tanks. Not robots. People.

But I doubt that a being who wants to make a person fight to the point of complete exhaustion is related to a person.

Engineers are thinking about how to keep the crew safe. They take him out of the tower. Create armored capsules.

And in parallel, someone is thinking how to squeeze the last drop of blood out of the crew.

Do not forget the courage of the Russian people. And the self-sacrifice of the absolute majority of our soldiers.
The story clearly demonstrates what I have said.

[Incvizitor]

It would be better if the tanks were converted into robotic complexes.

[Boris55]

Quote: Victor_B

If only they will raise it to the level of the tower.

One tower without ammo will be unscrewed, and the other with ammo will be bolted.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Victor_B

But! In the T-72 shells are manually loaded

That's right!
Anyone writing about a "robotic system" apparently has a poor understanding of the order of loading ammo in a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle. In addition, on the T-72, T - 90 AZ, T-80 MZ, the stowage of shells in cassettes and trays is different. Not to mention the BMP.
Most likely, robotization lies in the fact that MTLB without m / v can bring the ammunition load to the combat vehicle, possibly raise the container to the hatch level for further manual work.

[svp67]

Quote: Alekseev

Most likely, robotization lies in the fact that MTLB without m / v can bring the ammunition load to the combat vehicle, possibly raise the container to the hatch level for further manual work.

Most likely to throw a combat vehicle on the roof, but in which container?

[SovAr238A]

What nafig "robot" with the functionality of "remote control" ???

It seems that the news is created and broadcast by people who have never had toys in control in their lives.
No wired.
No radio controlled.

And the word Robot - they saw in the cartoon Well Wait ...

[mojohed2012]

Right. All the same, shells will be loaded into automatic tank loaders with handles. The robot itself is just an ammunition carrier and that's it. What is the uniqueness here? Is that instead of a truck with ammunition or a deployed ammunition point in the immediate rear, where the tanks will return from the front line to replenish ammunition, there will be an unmanned guided tank based on MTLB? The point is to cut the budget!

[nnm]

Well, why, in fact, the delivery shoulder is still reduced, which means that the equipment leaves positions / combat for a shorter period of time, there is less need for rockets, it is possible to load less other transport networks, the dispersal of equipment at the ammunition point, narrowings and obstacles on transport routes etc. There are pluses, but ...
1. Based on radio control signals, the enemy will not calculate the location of the subunits, the point of ammunition?
2. It will be necessary to increase the staffing of the rear units for the introduction of operators into the staff + the costs of their training, an increase in the number of repair units, and so on.
3. Do not pass off as newfangled robotic technologies simply remotely controlled equipment. So you can apply the same method to the field kitchen and say that a robotic feeding system has been introduced for military personnel.

[mojohed2012]

I agree. The shoulder is shorter, but the principle of reloading ammunition in the tanks themselves, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored vehicles comes from Soviet algorithms.
Here (let's dream), if our AZ tanks were not at the bottom of the revolver-type fighting compartment (all the same, although it is criticized for vulnerability due to not being carried out of the fighting compartment, it accelerates fire and suppression of targets), but was carried out behind the tower, then, probably, it would be possible to come up with and develop a whole module with a built-in AZ of a different type, where the TPM drives up, attaches the gripper to the tank's ammunition module - removes it empty into its body, and, instead, inserts a new one filled with ammunition. And there would also be a way to automate this process without the participation of the TPM operator (for example, guides in the stern of the tank for the TPM boom).
Here +:
1. The crew sits behind the armor and waits in relative safety.
2. The speed of reloading ammunition in this case is definitely unique.
3. Immediately after docking the charged module to the tank turret, it is ready for battle.

This is what I understand innovation and breakthrough. And not just - shortening the shoulder!

[loki565]

Here (let's dream), if our AZ tanks were not at the bottom of the revolver-type fighting compartment (all the same, although it is criticized for its vulnerability due to not being taken out of the fighting compartment, it accelerates the fire and suppression of targets)

"turret" AZs work faster, and so everything is correct, plus such an arrangement also has the safety of the crew, knockout panels and all that.

[vargo]

The video is just nonsense. There it is compared do not understand what with do not understand what

[English tarantas]

if our AZ tanks were not at the bottom of the revolver-type fighting compartment (all the same, even though it is criticized for vulnerability due to not being taken out of the fighting compartment, it accelerates fire and suppression of targets

1) drum type
2) does not speed up
3) for example, AZ leclerk, recharge is not inferior to ours, 5 seconds, if memory serves. AZ conveyor type in the turret niche, reloading takes place through a hatch in the back, with a diameter of about a projectile, shells are simply pushed in there, it can be fully automated there, it is unrealistic on Soviet tanks, I can't even imagine how shells and charges are placed in ah through the hatch in the tower.

[URAL72]

It will not calculate by signals, because the RAV warehouse is tens of kilometers, and the control is up to 5 km. I drove up, got out, then on the remote. The operator is not needed, this will be done by a mechanic who will leave the car 3-5 km from the front end. Point 3 - not worth it, but I hope the machine has a mechanism for automatically unloading the container from the BC. He threw it off where necessary, and on all four, to hell with caterpillars!

[nnm]

I'm afraid that after the first cycle we "got out" we will miss half of the mechanics: some will fall asleep, some will break the control panel, some will lead the equipment in the wrong direction, some will lead the equipment in the wrong direction, some will get lost, some will transfer everything that gets in the way of the equipment, some will check and whether it will pass through that cool swamp, some will run to the nearest road to shoot cigarettes and so on ad infinitum ...
This is an ordinary fighter. This is exactly how it will be.
Therefore, if these operators do not constantly hang over, at least, a terrible ensign, nothing will come of this venture. Well, maybe with the exception of parts of the MTR.

[URAL72]

I’m thinking, the time will come, they will put things in order in the country, the “sawing”, “kickbacks” will stop, and how many decades will they whine for more - “cut the budget”? That would have sat down in the Urals with bald tires, but through the mud, along the track, under fire with a full body of BC ... The car is necessary - whoever fought will appreciate it.

[loki565]

All the same, shells will be loaded into automatic tank loaders with handles.

Judging by this statement, the shells will be fed directly to the turret, which is also good for the crew to run around the tank.

The creators of the Russian project note that the use of a robotic vehicle will reduce the loading time of an armored vehicle (tank, infantry fighting vehicle, self-propelled guns) with shells by about 4 times, as well as reduce the physical load on the crew.

[A. Privalov]

The transportation of ammunition in the context of hostilities is a serious and highly relevant topic. The entire world military-industrial complex is concerned about it. So, I can assume that some more people are working on the topic and in some places quite intensively.
In the terms of reference for new developments of armored vehicles, the requirement for the possibility of automatic power supply of devices with standard power supplies is directly indicated.

At one time, I even had to deal with the office-developer of an autonomous mule robot for delivering ammunition to the rifle squad and taking out the wounded from the battlefield. They have created a range of load-bearing platforms with a load capacity of 60 - 450 kg. About thirty of these devices are being tested in the field.

The article talks about a different platform for a different type of cargo, but not about robot, but about just remotely controlled device operator. Which is quite possible, in fact, does not at all detract from the originality of the idea and development. Everything always starts somewhere.

[Genry]

Quote: A. Privalov

I even had to run into an office-developer of an autonomous mule robot for delivering ammunition to the rifle squad and transporting the wounded from the battlefield. They have created a range of load-bearing platforms with a load capacity of 60 - 450 kg.

You are talking about tanks - and you are talking about infantry.

Quote: A. Privalov

The article talks about a different platform, for a different type of cargo, but not a robot, but just a device remotely controlled by the operator.

If "it" completely performs a certain part of the work, this is already robot.

Automated supply of ammunition to the turret hatch (presumably) - this significantly reduces the maintenance time of the tank in battle (leaving until the nearest cover + mechanized loading) and reduces the likelihood of hitting the crew (everything inside).

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Genry

You are talking about tanks - and you are talking about infantry.

He gave it only as an example, as one of the modern directions of robotization in favor of army logistics.

I would not like to upset you, but not everything that "fully performs a certain part of the work is already a robot." From the article it is generally not clear what is being done there and what is not.

And it is not necessary to convince me that the automation of the BC nutritional processes can be of great benefit. You break into an open door.

[Genry]

Quote: A. Privalov

I would not like to upset you, but not everything that "fully performs a certain part of the work is already a robot".

What you know how to deny was seen in your previous comment - but you did not formulate the criteria for your denial.
Are you an idealist?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Genry

Are you an idealist?

No, reductionist.

Quote: Genry

but you have not formulated the criteria for your denial.

Should I have?

[Genry]

Quote: A. Privalov

Should I have?

Are you writing a comment for yourself?
Don't you want to be understood?

[A. Privalov]

Everything is easier. I am already an old man and cannot afford to waste precious time on empty bickering.

[Genry]

Quote: A. Privalov

Everything is easier.

Himself so.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Genry

Himself so.

[113262a]

Universal? The author can imagine loading the ammo in the BMP-1, let alone-2? And to robotize the loading of the same t-80 and t-64, and 72, into the plant. Nonsense! Just a supply of ammunition, I agree. Now they bring it in by truck, and the crews take it all out into boxes.

[Usher]

Where is the robot?

[Aleks tv]

I read the news and wondered what science had reached!
This is great - no need to retreat under fire on a tank to the rear, but overcame the first trench of an adversary and ... Well, they'll throw ammunition at you, you don't even need to leave the tank (under fire, after all) - well, blunder!
What kind of miracle is it that is capable of replenishing ammunition at the forefront?
And TZM will not be subtle? On the base of the motorcycle lab ...
Ah, I got it! It jumps when loading, which is why it is a light MT-LB! But what about the tank - after all, it cannot stand - it will be subjugated.
Ah, I got it! TZM grabs a tank and jumps with it, loading it on the move under enemy fire! On the squibs, probably.
I decided to find out more, let's look in the internet. Well, it’s interesting! Already filed to Rospatent !!!
- On the website of the logistics academy (and its branches), on the website of the research institute of the rear ... There is nothing.
While looking, I came across the news that Roskosmos patented the word "Let's go!" In order to produce perfumes, clothes and alcohol under this brand. Well, that's reasonable.
And then it dawned on me - Raspatent! There was a link to it in the article!
- on the website of Rospatent ... There is nothing, no vodka, no perfume, no TPM, no clothes from Roscosmos.
What kind of secret car is this? Maybe I was looking badly?

.................
ps
About TPM.
For some reason, I remembered the feuilleton from the Soviet "Crocodile":
A commission came to the plant to check how new CNC machines are being mastered.
They look - everything is worthy.
- And what is this grandmother doing?
- She carries the workpieces and installs them on the CNC machine.
- Don't ... Disorder! You need to come up with something!
A year later we came to the plant again. The robot sets the workpieces on the machine.
Everyone was at the Progress holiday - the regional committee, the district committee, the city committee, the party organizers of the plant and the shop.
Only my grandmother was not there - she dragged the blanks to the robot ...

[Aleks tv]

... I read the news and wondered what science had reached!

I had a rather caustic comment.
Now seriously:
1. NOWHERE I found confirmation of this news and a more detailed description of the principle of operation of this TPM.
2. HOW DOES this unique machine work?
I, in general, almost 16 years carried out loading / k in T-72. It is possible to automate the feed only up to the hands of the gunner, who, standing on the hull, will manually feed the shots to the commander, who takes them inside the tank using a siduha.
ALL.
And then this TPM can charge ALL types of armored vehicles ...
Moreover, ON THE FRONT EDGE UNDER FIRE ....
Too many questions and ... zero information.

[svp67]

The system can make it possible to quickly replenish the tank ammunition at the front line. Also, the robotic loading system can be used in the interests of the crews of self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles and other types of armored vehicles, which characterizes it as universal.

Well, the self-propelled guns have the ability to load from the ground, but there is no such system either in a tank or in an infantry fighting vehicle. It turns out that this machine can only unload the ammunition on the roof of the hull and that's it.