In Georgia: "The occupation forces have advanced another 100 m deep into our territory"

The State Security Service (SGB) of Georgia announced "illegal borderisation" in the area of ​​the village of Goraka in the Kaspi municipality near the border with Abkhazia. Tbilisi informed the EU Observer Mission and the Geneva Discussions on the Transcaucasus about the work carried out on the Abkhaz side.

The portal "Georgia Online" informs about it.

The publication assumes that such a reaction of the State Security Service is connected with the statement of the leader of the Georgian political movement "Strength in Unity" David Katsarav. Before that, he reported on the work carried out in the area by the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces. According to him, they cut down the forest there.

The occupation forces have advanced an average of another 100 meters from the line of occupation to the depths of our controlled territory.

- noted the politician.

The State Security Service reminds that representatives of the "Russian occupation regime" (as the authorities of the republics are called) regularly arrange the border from Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which is called the "Tskhinvali region" in Georgia. Last year, Tbilisi several times recorded these works, which were named "borderization".

All responsibility for the borderization process, as well as for other illegal activities in the occupied territories, rests with the Russian Federation.

- say in the State Security Service of Georgia.

Comments

[marchcat]

It is better for Georgia to look towards Adjara, the Turks will soon finally take it away.

[Finches]

Why are these three genatsvale not wearing bulletproof vests and helmets? Not in order! Suddenly the evil Putin attacks suddenly!

[knn54]

-Why are these three genatsvale not wearing bulletproof vests and helmets?
"I see, (are we looking?) Is climbing slowly up the hill.
A horse carrying brushwood "...

[mojohed2012]

And why did they decide that this is the seizure of 100 m. Of the territory of Georgia? They are lumberjacks. But who allowed them to cut wood there - this is already a civil law relationship, not politics.
And 3 Georgians are PR, because more than 3 already chorus!

[gurzuf]

They covered what was most dear to them, everything below the belt — conscience, honor and dignity.

[fruc]

All responsibility for the borderization process, as well as for other illegal activities in the occupied territories, rests with the Russian Federation.

As the Georgians suddenly began to sing. They, apparently, have already forgotten 1992,2008, XNUMX, when Russian servicemen were killed by the RZSO. Or they thought that they could get away with it, it also concerns the kaklov, who participated there with whole calculations and equipment.

[Lionnvrsk]

he reported on the work being carried out in the area by the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces. According to him, they cut down the forest there.

Did Petrov and Boshirov show up here too ?!

[hhurik]

Well, who else?

[Incvizitor]

The main thing is the ties are worn.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Ze went!

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: marchcat

It is better for Georgia to look towards Adjara, the Turks will soon finally take it away.

The facts tell the opposite.

[Clear]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: marchcat

It is better for Georgia to look towards Adjara, the Turks will soon finally take it away.

The facts tell the opposite.

What are the facts?

[Finches]

Fried facts!

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Clear

What are the facts?

They lost Ossetia and Abkhazia. Don't you know this?

[Finches]

First of all, they lost their conscience, honor and dignity! And Ossetia and Abkhazia are just a consequence!

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Finches

First of all, they lost their conscience, honor and dignity! And Ossetia and Abkhazia are just a consequence!

So I wrote not about moral losses but territorial ones.

[Finches]

These are not losses, this is the departure of the ancestral lands of the peoples there due to disagreement with Georgia and unwillingness to break off centuries-old relations with Russia and become the bedrock of the United States! Feel the difference in terminology!

[Incvizitor]

It began with the fact that they lay down to the west, losing their humanity and betraying themselves.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Incvizitor

It began with the fact that they lay down to the west, losing their humanity and betraying themselves.

That is, you want to say who is not with us is below us. I'm right? Does Russia need such friends whom it is forcing? What will be the real result of such a friendship or union?

[Tzar]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

That is, you want to say who is not with us is below us. I'm right?

It would be more correct to say "Who is under the United States is not with us."

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Does Russia need such friends whom it is forcing?

Has Russia ever forced anyone in recent history to be friends by force? Take, for example, as conditional "friends" those 17 countries that voted against the resolution of Ukraine on December 7.12.2020, XNUMX. Some of them were forced to be friends, maybe China?

[Finches]

No one forces anyone by force! I will tell you more that they were essentially raped by the United States and taken into slavery - it is they who make Georgia not be friends with Russia for the sake of their own interests! The simple people understand everything, but the elite sold out themselves and sold the interests of the Georgian people. Abkhazians and Ossetians did not want to follow the Georgian elites and, having such an opportunity, separated - Adjara would have left too, but it was more difficult there ... Georgia itself is an artificial state, like the rest of the limitrophes! They were specially created by the United States to surround Russia, for its own needs and for the deployment of its bases ... Therefore, if Russia decides to declare a full-blooded war on Georgia, this will be the right decision! Unfortunately, VVP is a very kind person!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Does Russia need such friends whom it is forcing?

Was the Georgians forced? Read the story: since pre-Petrine times, they have been asking for under the wing of Russia, since they were derbanated by either Turkey or Persia. And how many times has she betrayed her protector.

[Pensive Lawyer]

This is not friendship. This is the relationship of powers, where one is strong, the other is weak.
When the weak growls at the strong, he gets in the teeth.
On this, the whole policy is built of ALL states. There is a strict hierarchy. The Russian Federation claims to be the same alpha predator as the United States and China.
Either alphas like us or protégés of alphas can growl at us. The rest are put in place.
There are no moral norms in politics. International law is declarative in nature due to the sovereignty of states (the state cannot be forced, only it can limit itself).
Therefore, politics is always the right of the strong. Is there at least one militarily weak state with serious weight in the political arena? There are no such. Europe has weakened and therefore has to dance to the tune of the United States. Therefore, those who want independence are building up their army. And therefore, the United States is putting a spoke in the wheels of the emergence of a pan-European armed forces not controlled by NATO. Their appearance means the independence of Europe.

[Pensive Lawyer]

Well, it happens when you start shooting at civilians and at peacekeepers.

[avg]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

The facts tell the opposite.

This is precisely what the facts prove. This Marchcat, having regretted your pride, has not yet said about the actions of the administration of the Azerbaijani regions. Soon all of Georgia will begin to remember the Treatise of St. George as a salvation.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: marchcat

It is better for Georgia to look towards Adjara, the Turks will soon finally take it away.

The facts tell the opposite.

What are the "reverse" facts? Adjara is capturing Turkey, or what?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Piramidon

Adjara is capturing Turkey, or what?

You wishful thinking. The facts are that, at the moment, Adjara is a part of Georgia and what will happen tomorrow or in a year, this is not a fact, but a statement.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: marchcat

It is better for Georgia to look towards Adjara, the Turks will soon finally take it away.

If not already taken away de facto.

[den3080]

Quote: marchcat

It is better for Georgia to look towards Adjara, the Turks will soon finally take it away.

in my opinion, one letter in the term needs to be changed and one prefix removed, then what happens in Adjara will turn out
"Legal brothelization"

[Lech from Android.]

The Georgian tourism business has collapsed, the country is in complete ass.
Naturally, you need to find someone to blame, as they always pointed out to Russia.
A flag in their hands, a drum on their neck ... forward into the abyss.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Naturally, you need to find someone to blame, as they always pointed out to Russia.

The problem is that, after the collapse of the union, in each republic there were those who wanted to secede and, unfortunately, Russia supported the latter. What influenced this relationship. This is a classic. Divide and rule. So, even without feeling any feelings for Georgia and Georgians, you need to say things in your own words. Nobody wanted to spoil relations with Russia.

But to tell the truth, many republics wanted to change their orientation to the west. What influenced the above. But the Russian side could answer a lot literally. It turns out that Russian loot is good and friendship is bad? Goodbye. So it was necessary to do and not divide and rule. This is a time bomb. Alas

[Wedmak]

and unfortunately Russia supported the latter.

I think I did the right thing. The flag in your hands ... at the same time we learned the true attitude of the republics towards themselves. When the donations ended, when the construction of infrastructure stopped, statements immediately flew that Russia was an enemy, etc. Well, not without the training manuals of the Washington regional committee, of course.
Ultimately, however, this barking does not mean anything. The Georgians tried to jump, got in the face. Other former CIS-Schnicks will no longer stick around. They can be set on fire, of course, sowing conflicts along our entire border, but even here you shouldn't worry too much - the army will be able to crush them at any moment.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Wedmak

The flag is in your hands ..

I am not a respected Georgian and have nothing to do with Georgia.

Quote: Wedmak

The Georgians tried to jump, got in the face.

Dear, it is not a good practice to gather only enemies around your country. When one dog barks at a bear it is certainly not scary, but when a pack of dogs attack at once, then it will hurt. And among these dogs there is also a biting one.

[Wedmak]

I am not Georgian

I'm sorry. I meant the country, not you.

but when a pack of dogs attack at once, then it will hurt.

But if it is not possible to calm down the dogs, they are shot.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Wedmak

But if it is not possible to calm down the dogs, they are shot.

I agree, only now is the 21st century. Everyone will start screaming with sanctions and other things. And whether Russia needs this is the question.

[Wedmak]

Everyone will start screaming with sanctions and other things.

Well, this .... now out of the blue, sanctions are being imposed ... and the further, the more absurd. Some more, some less, but the problem must be solved. And if you bend over and wait, hope for normalization ... Well, you understand.

[avg]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

When one dog barks at a bear it is certainly not scary, but when a pack of dogs attack at once, then it will hurt. And among these dogs there is also a biting one.

The bear is in pain, the dogs are deadly. Those who are especially zealous will not even have time to scream.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: avg

The bear is in pain, the dogs are deadly. Those who are especially zealous will not even have time to scream.

I agree, but I mean, fuck? If you do not want to be friends with me, but at the same time you like to push your goods with me and make money on it and you are friends with my enemy, you just need to distance yourself. This will be more true. This is what I want to say.

Now Russia is trying with all its might to keep Armenia and make it pro-Russian, despite the fact that the people and the government are oriented towards the West. Do you need such friends and allies? that is the question

[avg]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Now Russia is trying with all its might to keep Armenia and make it pro-Russian, despite the fact that the people and the government are oriented to the West.

1. I do not see any special efforts to keep Armenia, this was especially evident at the beginning of the conflict with Azerbaijan.
2. Who is oriented where we will see after the elections. It is already clear where Karabakh is oriented.

[yehat2]

in the situation in which Georgia has found itself, one should not blame anyone but themselves.
Take the nearby Sukhumi. Everything is in order there with income.
And the Georgians constantly tried to squeeze out the freebies to the maximum.
In Ossetia, they fought for customs duties, and in Abkhazia, for ghostly income from the tourist business, and they themselves, apart from very moderate work for tourism, did nothing. They thought the USSR would take them out again.
But now, in fact, they came to the conclusion that the incomes are scanty and the Georgians are to blame for this only themselves.
Who prevented them from becoming at least a great substitute for Turkey for tourists?
And now thousands of Russians (I don't like this term) go to the very expensive and uncomfortable Crimea, but they could go to Georgia.
And what about the politics of Georgia? When, during the first Caucasian war against the Georgians, literally everyone united. Is there really no other way?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

in each republic there were those who wanted to secede and, unfortunately, Russia supported the latter.

everything according to the laws

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

everything according to the laws

those. if a law is passed, according to which you can be shot, will you agree with that too?
conversation and laws and their application is generally a separate and complex topic.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

those. if a law is passed, according to which you can be shot, will you agree with that too?

first, broodershaft didn't drink
second, do not write nonsense
third, having seceded from the USSR, the union republics were supposed to hold referendums in the autonomous formations within the framework of the law

[yehat2]

let's not argue about representative democracies and their laws. They can be rotated as desired.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

let's not argue about representative democracies and their laws.

once again the autonomies had the right to their own opinion on the secession from the USSR, by denying them this right, you are calling into question the right of the republics to secede from the USSR

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you question the right

where do i do it ????

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

second, do not write nonsense

that's right, don't write nonsense yourself
MPs recently passed a law to effectively abolish pensions.
did people want this?
Tomorrow they will in the same way adopt the law that your carcass is a slave, and without asking anyone. And strictly by law, all your relatives will be sent to work in brothels. And what, will you continue to drown for the fact that the law is the law? It was not in vain that I said about representative democracy - it is this scheme that tears away the real rights of voters to influence what is happening, leaving only the external illusion of legality. Maybe there are a lot of people around you who wanted to raise the VAT tax?
Society fulfills the law only when there is a social contract - "we live like this" and the law only specifies the details. And now our society wants to live quite differently from what the mad printer dictates.
A separate question about the evil trolls - minusers, because everything that I wrote here, in reality, is so.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

MPs recently passed a law to effectively abolish pensions.
did people want this?

so people don't want to ride 60, what are we going to do?
p / s / what kind of nonsense about the abolition of pensions

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

what nonsense about the abolition of pensions

maybe you have a military or deputy's pension, and ordinary men, by average age, will not live up to retirement. Women are still living out, but these are far from those comfortable 20-30 years in retirement, which used to shine for many.
Where is this nonsense? This is reality, baby.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

and the average age of ordinary men will not live to see retirement.

before you write at least numbers, check, otherwise you look stupid

[yehat2]

and what to check, my father and a bunch of his friends
at best, 1-2 years on retirement and that's it, and many did not live at all
and the main reason is disgusting medicine and working conditions.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

what to check, my father and a bunch of his friends

you are referring to stat data, not your father's age

Quote: yehat2

and the main reason is disgusting medicine and working conditions.

I don't even want to argue, for how you can give examples of both the pros and cons,
but if you operate with data like "MEDIUM age"

Quote: yehat2

but for ordinary men middle age will not live up to retirement.

then just refer to this data, and not to friends and relatives

[yehat2]

I looked at your comments in history.
You don't write anything about the case anywhere, you just troll everyone.
leave me alone for good. Or I will have to complain to the admin for every comment you make.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

I looked at your

do not specify when we or brotherhood?

Quote: yehat2

You don't write anything about the case anywhere, you just troll everyone.

and you, as in the case, frankly juggle the facts and how they poked your nose, immediately complain to the administrator

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

so people don't want to ride 60, what are we going to do?

wait, you say that you need to comply with the law and immediately say,
that people naturally ignore blatantly irrational laws
but this is exactly what I am saying!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

it's pointless to argue with a troll, you are claiming that the law should only be the one that people like

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it is you who say that the law should be only the one that pleases people

do not distort, I did not say that
there is much more reason to call you a troll.
I don't do this kind of dirt.
besides, explain HOW a law can appear in an elected Duma that does not suit voters? There are either plutocrats or no democracy. There are simply no other options.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

do not distort, I did not say that

so what?
all moves are recorded

Quote: yehat2

MPs recently passed a law on the de facto abolition of pensions.
did people want this?

Quote: yehat2

in addition, explain HOW a law that does not suit voters can appear in an elected Duma?

many do not like the increase in fines for traffic violations

[yehat2]

well, so you and jerk.
the pension reform is a completely false and cynical action.
this is obvious to everyone except you, and are you not a purchased Cossack guardian, since you insist that everything is fine? Or can you tell me here how wonderful it is to work at 60?
And mind you, you are silent on inconvenient questions, but you are trying to hang a bunch of deRmas on me and minus.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

Pension reform is a completely false and cynical action.

but let's really not juggle, you personally lied that the average age of men is below the retirement age, your quote was quoted above about the falsity of the pension reform at all.

Quote: yehat2

Or can you tell me here how wonderful it is to work at 60?

once again name the average age of life for men in the Russian Federation and the age of retirement

Quote: yehat2

And mind you, you are silent on inconvenient questions, but you are trying to hang a bunch of deRmas on me and minus.

give an example, I gave examples of your lies

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you personally lied

how is it?
and what is the average age of survival, for example, in the Tula region?
MEDIUM for both sexes 7-8 years in the country
and in most areas, males are at negative ages.
and where is the lie?
In addition, I wrote directly for women that they will live up to retirement, but they will already live there much less - you didn't have the brains to find it or are you deliberately lying that I wrote wrong?
calm down, troll.
I still do not see a single constructive post - only trolling, juggling and lying. You are USELESS and even harmful with your flood for discussion.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Enough verbiage to engage in, give the average age of life of men in the Russian Federation and the age of retirement

Quote: yehat2

you didn’t have the brains to find it or are you deliberately lying yourself that I wrote wrong?

unlike you, it was enough

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: yehat2

but you're trying to hang a bunch of deRma on me and minus.

right at once for several minuses I put you on one post
p / s / when you complain to the admin, do not forget to indicate your violations of the site rules

[d1975]

Tell this to those who were expelled from the republics! Friendship is recognized only when Russia shows strength, the destiny of some to be under someone and it is necessary to have illusions! As we say, submissive tela two makti sose! Well, there is almost no statehood except Russia, the rest are either like lost sheep, or under someone else. These are not my statements, but I think the same way.

[yehat2]

Quote: d1975

Tell this to those who were expelled from the republics

but this is a very tricky topic.
I am embarrassed by the chorus of Russians, who during the war in NK literally trumpeted how cool and great it was for them to live in Azerbaijan, and I personally know 4 families of refugees from this republic who had to either abandon everything or sell for a pittance and leave completely unprepared.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

The problem is that, after the collapse of the union, in each republic there were those who wanted to secede and, unfortunately, Russia supported the latter.

And with what fright did she have to support the first, who immediately began to openly shit on us? Everyone took advantage of the right to secede from the USSR, so why didn't they grant this right to others? They wanted Russia to take into account their interests, so they must take ours into account. But all the new states decided that there were only their wishes, the truth turned out to be cruel and unpleasant.

[mister-red]

[/ Quote]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

[quote = Lech from Android.] Naturally, you need to find someone to blame, as always pointed out to Russia.

The problem is that, after the collapse of the union, in each republic there were those who wanted to secede and, unfortunately, Russia supported the latter. What influenced this relationship. This is a classic. Divide and rule. So, even without feeling any feelings for Georgia and Georgians, you need to say things in your own words. Nobody wanted to spoil relations with Russia.

But to tell the truth, many republics wanted to change their orientation to the west. What influenced the above. But the Russian side could answer a lot literally. It turns out that Russian loot is good and friendship is bad? Goodbye. So it was necessary to do and not divide and rule. This is a time bomb. Alas

You live in some illusory world. As a person who does not live in Russia, I can say that all your conclusions are absolutely wrong. Russia could not and cannot do anything yet. You don’t understand the mentality - but here, for visa-free travel all over Europe, they’ll only sell their mother, and the rest doesn’t give a damn. We live badly - we will go to work in Europe and everything will be fine. There is freedom, and Russia is Mordor - that's the whole story.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Nobody wanted to spoil relations with Russia

But shit from their side poured out at once

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

after the collapse of the union, in each republic there were those who wanted to secede

Cause-effect - you haven't heard, have you? Thus, they appeared BEFORE the collapse. Trouble, trouble ..
Okay, now about Borshchev: all this fuss with the "republics", in principle, was beneficial, because it immediately became clear who, what and why. At the moment, there is a handful of freak political-geographical formations that proudly call themselves states. In fact, the whole real value of these lies in the presence of territory and natural resources lying on this very territory. In short, they let the "kids" go for a walk, and they were lucky.

[Serg65]

Quote: Paranoid50

Cause-effect - you haven't heard, have you?

The reason was Comrade Andropov, General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee!
The "fight against corruption" announced by Comrade Andropov was aimed exclusively at removing the First Secretaries of the Union republics from their posts and placing their people in the vacant seats, which was the result of the emergence of "top" nationalism. After Andropov's death, Comrade Gorbachev continued the work of his teacher. Well, the insane craving for freedom of comrade-mister Yeltsin became the starting line for the newly-minted party leaders of the union republics! The rest is a matter of propaganda ..... if the Soviet people believed Kashpirovsky without batting an eye, then why should they not believe that they are feeding the neighboring village for nothing ???
Russia began to return to its former territory only towards the end of the XNUMXs, but these territories had already different laws and different people!
The issue with the CIS countries is very complicated and cannot be solved right away!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The Georgian tourism business has collapsed, the country is in complete ass.
Naturally, you need to find someone to blame, as they always pointed out to Russia.

Well, then, instead of Russian tourists, they invite tourists from Europe and the United States, just that they have no desire to visit Georgia.

[avg]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, then, instead of Russian tourists, they invite tourists from Europe and the United States, just that they have no desire to visit Georgia.

The Yankees might have come, but they confuse these little Georgians. They also visit St. Petersburg, and are very surprised that the whole world admires such a hole.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: avg

They also visit St. Petersburg, and are very surprised that the whole world admires such a hole.

Now Landon and Paris, in comparison with St. Petersburg, a huge hole.

[avg]

Quote: tihonmarine

Now Landon and Paris, in comparison with St. Petersburg, a huge hole.

Yes, I'm talking about St. Petersburg in Florida, which as a resort has been hit hard by the pandemic.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: avg

Yes, I'm talking about St. Petersburg in Florida, which as a resort has been hit hard by the pandemic.

It means that they are all smeared with one "world."

[Popandos]

The occupying forces have advanced an average of another 100 meters from the line of occupation to the depths of our controlled territory.

I can only state that you do not control your territory, since someone is advancing on it.

[Pereira]

It's just rodents that dry out.

[cniza]

The occupation forces have advanced an average of another 100 meters from the line of occupation to the depths of our controlled territory.

What and how did you measure? All the problems are added ...

[Clear]

Quote: cniza

What and how did you measure?

Phone calls from the USA.

[cniza]

Quote: Clear

Phone calls from the USA.

So they will never say this, and tomorrow a new call will follow, with new "dimensions" ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: cniza

What and how did you measure?

They have a caliper on the table under a folder (see photo). So everything is accurate to a mulimeter, do not hesitate.

[K-50]

The publication assumes that such a reaction of the State Security Service is connected with the statement of the leader of the Georgian political movement "Strength in Unity" David Katsarav. Before that, he reported on the work carried out in the area by the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces. According to him, they cut down the forest there.

Clearing the headmistress for shooting. So you "breathe the other way and every other time" there.
So that the Russian soldier does not come to you again. Your politicians are already tired of waiting in Hell and truancy they draw!

[Xnumx vis]

Georgian producers need to drink less chacha! And then everyone is imagining! Delirium tremens visited the Georgians !!! ---------------------------------- One hundred steps back, quiet on your toes Fly my soul, don't stay
One hundred steps back, there is no more attraction

One hundred steps back, quietly on. ..Min.Zdrav RF warns Georgian officials that alcohol consumption is harmful to health, including psychics!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

advanced an average of another 100 meters from the line of occupation to the depths of our controlled territory.

if you control this territory, then how could they advance, and if not, then do not squeal

[bukhach]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

... Nobody wanted to spoil relations with Russia.

Are you serious? In my opinion, everything is exactly the opposite, nationalists of all stripes prevailed in the leadership of these republics and Russia for them was an enemy by definition.

[Pete mitchell]

Loved it Geneva Discussions on Transcaucasia - how do the conflicts pushed by the West end: "a club for a talk." 404th science.
Borderisation, the word what, and what in Georgian it was impossible to express

[konstantin68]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Dear, it is not a good practice to gather only enemies around your country. When one dog barks at a bear it is certainly not scary, but when a pack of dogs attack at once, then it will hurt. And among these dogs there is also a biting one.

Dear from as if from Pyatigorsk. The realities of the modern world are such that if you live in a country that is included in the orbit of one of the superpowers, you are simply forced to play by someone else's rules (if the government is smart enough, taking into account its interests, if not, then Ukraine and Georgia, alas)

[bbss]

Quote: Finches

Why are these three genatsvale not wearing bulletproof vests and helmets?

But there are ties!

[Azimuth]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: Lech from Android.

Naturally, you need to find someone to blame, as they always pointed out to Russia.

The problem is that, after the collapse of the union, in each republic there were those who wanted to secede and, unfortunately, Russia supported the latter. What influenced this relationship. This is a classic. Divide and rule. So, even without feeling any feelings for Georgia and Georgians, you need to say things in your own words. Nobody wanted to spoil relations with Russia.

But to tell the truth, many republics wanted to change their orientation to the west. What influenced the above. But the Russian side could answer a lot literally. It turns out that Russian loot is good and friendship is bad? Goodbye. So it was necessary to do and not divide and rule. This is a time bomb. Alas

And who else would be supported by the then Yeltsin, the initiator of the collapse of the USSR? ... It was impossible to get through to the top, so I figured out for three. And the local "elite" who suddenly became tsars from princes only clapped their hands.

[yehat2]

Quote: Azimuth

the then Yeltsin, the initiator of the collapse of the USSR

this is not at all true. Yeltsin did not start this process. When he broke through to power, the disintegration process could no longer be stopped (if not to act in the style of a military junta).
The initiator of the collapse was Yakovlev's group, which was represented by Gorbachev.
Read what he said about this. It was he who was not particularly frank in the 80s, and then Ostap suffered. But even if there had not been a rapid collapse, the process of division into estates and the actual formation of the hereditary aristocracy would have continued through the party elite. And the historian Spitsyn from the entire Central Committee can name only one person who was determined to curtail this process.

[Vladimir61]

The Chinese have good profits ... all Russia's "partners" have armed themselves with their binoculars and all day long do nothing but wander along our borders - what else Russia has "bitten off from democracy."

[yehat2]

Quote: qqqq

who immediately began to openly shit on us?

you are confused. How did they shit? You study history, how shocked were several republics, which were literally forcibly disconnected and the holiday "Independence Day" was appointed.
At first, the showdown took place at the level of the party leadership and their henchmen in the posts of the republics, and only after a while did what you call "shit" started, because everyone felt bad and they began to try to leave by robbery, blackmail and discrimination.
And those republics that were openly subsidized and therefore rich - Tribaltic, Ukraine, Georgia, were separated themselves. Their top was in a hurry to plunder the "no-man's".

[Pandiurin]

"Borderization" - a word from the Georgian surdjik, laid down to the west, now they distort the language into English.

Due to the fact that the word incomprehensible is a substitution of meanings, a scary-sounding and clumsy word is trying to say not what it really is, they babble about the seizure of territory.

Although there is a term "arrangement of the border" which means that there is a border and it is simply arranged.

[yehat2]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

many do not like the increase in fines for traffic violations

there is a specific negative social side to raising traffic fines.
the rich do not care about these fines, but the poor are already a real ruin.
and this is how +1 caste privilege is formed - some may violate, others may not.
If you do not understand such banal things, why do you interfere with the conversation at all?
Any shkololo can troll, but on the case you are not able to say a single word.

[Azimuth]

Quote: yehat2

Quote: Azimuth

the then Yeltsin, the initiator of the collapse of the USSR

this is not at all true. Yeltsin did not start this process. When he broke through to power, the disintegration process could no longer be stopped (if not to act in the style of a military junta).
The initiator of the collapse was Yakovlev's group, which was represented by Gorbachev.
Read what he said about this. It was he who was not particularly frank in the 80s, and then Ostap suffered. But even if there had not been a rapid collapse, the process of division into estates and the actual formation of the hereditary aristocracy would have continued through the party elite. And the historian Spitsyn from the entire Central Committee can name only one person who was determined to curtail this process.

What happened after, including Yakovlev's revelations, is completely different. Many wanted to look like the undertakers of the USSR and have cookies from this, but Yakovlev was just an ordinary traitor and whose doll was directed by the puppeteers. The fact is that high treason was committed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and the first person to be put up against the wall, in my humble opinion, is EBN. And not so long did he break through to power, how many led him to it, which is confirmed by the participation of his family in the further robbery and privatization of the country.

About "to act in the style of a military junta", well, it is rather often used as an excuse by many invertebrates who in the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the USSR Ministry of Defense arranged personal affairs and wiped their pants, having pumped the country and betrayed their people. Thanks to these amoebas, the country not only had traitors at the top, but a rather powerful fifth column was formed, which sometimes engaged in outright sabotage, take the same deficit, etc. We are often frightened with blood talking about that era, whose question is it? Yakovlev and others like him? But this is not blood on the streets, but in offices and "heart attacks" in departmental clinics, I think a couple of hundred million of our population and the millions lost in subsequent years were worth it.