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The Polish press reacted negatively to the publication of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of documents on the liberation of Poland during the war

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Polish experts and observers react to the appearance on the official portal of the Russian Ministry of Defense of a special section on the liberation of Poland by the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War. This is a section that is based on numerous documents, primarily archival ones, and which bears the title "Liberation of Poland: Remember, Never Forget!" This name, as well as an indication of the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators, dismantled or destroyed in Poland, seem to indicate that modern Warsaw puts a comma before the word "forget" ...


The archival documents tell about the price that the Soviet Union paid with the lives of its soldiers and officers for the liberation of Poland, about Soviet-Polish joint operations against the Nazis, about the gratitude of ordinary Poles for their liberation from Nazi occupation by soldiers of the Red Army.

However, in Poland itself today this causes a more negative reaction. At least we are talking about publications in major Polish media.

For example, the Polish observer Maciej Peczyński uses the term “liberators” in quotation marks for Soviet soldiers in Do Rzecy. The publication reacts painfully to those documents that describe how the modern Polish authorities are fighting the memorials erected in memory of those who liberated Polish territory from Nazi occupation.

In a newspaper article by a Polish author, there is a clause titled "What Russians Don't Know?" Peczyński writes that the gratitude of the Polish people to the Red Army "was not grassroots." From the article:

Of course, many Poles, especially those who had never faced communism before, were genuinely happy to see the end of the nightmare of the German occupation. However, for the most part, the "expressions of gratitude" crowned with stone monuments were the initiative of the communist government imposed by Moscow. Russian readers will not know about this.

If we are guided by the logic of Mr. Peczynski, then today Polish readers will not learn that all the actions of the Polish government today are the initiative of the American authorities, whose interests modern Warsaw happily expresses, in a fit of servility - including in terms of active confrontation with Russia by any available methods and means.

It is noteworthy how readers reacted to the article in the Polish edition. Here are a few comments that track the mood in the Polish segment of the network.

Rocznik1945 (under the US flag):

Kremlin: "Let's remind the world that we liberated Poland." And why do they not remind that they attacked the brotherly Slavic country in September 1939?

A comment:

And Marshal Tymoshenko called for the extermination of Polish lords

Another comment from the same series:

Only homo sovieticus can alienate the Germans from the Poles and then call it "liberation."
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 12 May 2021 06: 49
    +97
    What brotherly Slavic country? Jackals of Europe, forever lying under someone.
    1. Finches
      Finches 12 May 2021 07: 09
      +70
      Envy! Historically, the Polish elites could not and cannot forgive Russia for the fact that Russia, after all the upheavals, rises like a phoenix from the ashes, as after the same Great Troubles or the Gorbachev-Yeltsin betrayal, and again becomes a Power that exerts one of the defining influences on international relations. While Poland, at best, is assigned the role of a small barking mongrel on a short leash among the Anglo-Saxons - a regional player. And the Poles, in theory, have no one to blame for this but themselves. But, how can they, such good, smart, brave, democratic, civilized Europeans, admit that they are to blame? No, of course, this is all the intrigues of the Russian barbarians! laughing
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 May 2021 08: 40
        +22
        Quote: Finches
        or the Gorbachev-Yeltsin betrayal,

        When you write about the Gorbachev-Yeltsin betrayal, PROBABLY, you mean that those who came to power after the SMS and EBN exposed the course for the collapse of the country, canceled illegal acts and removed from the government and economy governing bodies citizens who tarnished their own name, honor and dignity?
        Do not feed us "crap" and do not associate Poland with any historically significant goal.
        The Polish leadership is working off loans, credits and sponsorship as a manifestation of Russophobia. Today they pay for it. Poland can be compared to a prostitute, which does not care wherever it only gets paid. Here's an example of the difference:

        Without exception, all the mongrels barking at Russia are periodically thrown dice in the hope that some of the pack will lose fear, rush and bite. Russia should not let go of the stick for a minute and hit any insolent muzzle so that its teeth fall out from the first blow. This is what Russia, the Russian government and the Russian people, consolidated with it, should be ready for.
        1. Finches
          Finches 12 May 2021 08: 45
          +14
          You, on behalf of whom are you asking the question? Or, in a commentary about the opinion of Poland and its citizens, it is imperative to cram your dissatisfaction with Putin. But, I'll tell you this, if the United States scolds him, and her sixes on g ... come, then he is doing everything right! hi
          1. sleeve
            sleeve 13 May 2021 12: 39
            +3
            And the "critics of the Putin regime" are called "healthy forces of society" ...
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 12 May 2021 08: 42
        +11
        The Poles had a chance to become a great power. But they drank it, skipped it. And we have become. The Poles will never forgive us for this.
        As well as the Swedes.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 12 May 2021 11: 07
          +1
          As for the Swedes, it is very controversial - the Britons would not have allowed them to become the "Mistress of the Seas", but the Poles did not have the slightest chance to break into the great powers since the founding of the state. And don't argue.
      3. Basil50
        Basil50 12 May 2021 08: 54
        +10
        Zyablitsova
        Poles have more than just envy. There are a few different things. When the lords of Poland were catholicized, they immediately felt like representatives of * higher powers *. Then a long story, for centuries, how the Poles proved their own greatness to their neighbors. As a result, a complete zilch, and even with the destruction of Poland itself, and the Vatican attitudes towards greatness remained. In any religion, the main thing is to follow where the shepherd sent. Poles today almost without exception have appointed themselves as such missionaries in relation to all neighbors in the spirit of the Spanish conquistadors, and there is little strength from here and the whole inferiority complex.
        The Poles hate the Germans much more than the others, especially since they have convinced themselves of the impotence of the Germans because of * tolerance *.
        1. Finches
          Finches 12 May 2021 09: 07
          +7
          So I do not argue that everything is much more complicated. Poland, like the Slavs, will never become their own to the West, and they are alien to Russia by faith, that is, strangers everywhere!
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 12 May 2021 09: 29
            +4
            Laying between east and west.
        2. Yuri Chvanov
          Yuri Chvanov 12 May 2021 10: 03
          +5
          Catholicism of Poles is the most important act of the loss of Poland's sovereignty at all times in geopolitics.
      4. Thompson
        Thompson 13 May 2021 14: 52
        0
        As I understand it, you deliberately did not mention the October Revolution in your opus ???
        1. Finches
          Finches 13 May 2021 16: 10
          0
          I didn't mention a lot of things! hi
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 12 May 2021 07: 37
      +16
      Quote: Pessimist22
      What brotherly Slavic country? Jackals of Europe, forever lying under someone.

      This is what they mean Zap.Ukrainu. Previously, on that territory, the Polish lords had a full blast at the local residents, but now they were "pushed". But after the beginning of the Second World War, the local residents cheerfully joined the Nazis and played on the remaining masters in full. They do not remember this.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 12 May 2021 08: 43
        +6
        Right. Talking about the Volyn massacre, they always forget to say where the Poles came from there in such significant numbers.
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 12 May 2021 09: 54
      +8
      Only homo sovieticus can alienate the Germans from the Poles and then call it "liberation."
      Yeah. You were closest to the Germans ... in concentration camps.
  2. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 12 May 2021 06: 51
    +17
    I have no words. Lavrov said everything ... The hyenas are furious that they themselves could only surrender and serve the Nazis, and the Soviet army passed half of Europe and crushed the Nazis in Berlin.
    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 12 May 2021 07: 51
      +11
      Why shouldn't Moscow calculate how much the liberation of Poland cost. Show an invoice, let them pay. If I'm not mistaken, 600 soldiers died, + material and equipment, + funds invested after the war.
      Will cost a tidy sum.
      Maybe they will think.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 12 May 2021 09: 44
        +2
        I looked on the internet.
        Poland demands from Germany 800 billion Euros for the occupation in World War II.
        And this is despite the fact that she received the eastern lands of Germany.
        They are ready to do anything to get money for free.
        Therefore, in the previous commentary I wrote that Moscow also needs to think about it.
        I don't write about the amount, but it should be such that they would think about it.
      2. Yuri Chvanov
        Yuri Chvanov 12 May 2021 10: 02
        +6
        There were more Poles in the Wehrmacht against the USSR than there were in Anders' army, which in the Polish style traditionally hid from the war cunningly, then on the Russians then on the English grub ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 May 2021 10: 57
          +2
          There were more Poles in the Wehrmacht against the USSR than there were in Anders' army, which in the Polish style traditionally hid from the war cunningly, then on the Russians then on the English grub ...

          This topic is often speculated on. The ethnic composition of the population of pre-war Poland is not taken into account! There is a difference between Great Poles and different ethnic groups in Poland. In particular, the Kashubians - in Pomorie, the Mazurians - in Prussia, the Silesians - in Western Poland (Silesia), the Gurals (highlanders) - in the Polish Tatras, while they were not yet part of the Polish nation. These ethnic groups were historically strongly Germanized. Silesia is indicative, where 20% voted in favor of joining Germany in a referendum in the 60s. Three anti-Polish uprisings broke out, which the Polish army barely managed to suppress with the help of French units.
          After the occupation of Poland, the local population received German citizenship and was drafted into the Wehrmacht. In addition, a significant number of the German population lived there, having previously had Polish citizenship. hi
    2. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 12 May 2021 09: 23
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      The Soviet army passed half of Europe and crushed the Nazis in Berlin.

      good and the Yusovites will continue to pump up money and erase memory, history ... of creatures
  3. nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 May 2021 06: 55
    +1
    As Sergei Kapitsa said, “We have finally come to what we were striving for - we brought up the country of idiots.” We are not alone.
    1. nnm
      nnm 12 May 2021 07: 24
      +5
      Colleague, could you please explain who is not alone and in what exactly?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 May 2021 08: 49
        0
        Quote: nnm
        Colleague, could you please explain who is not alone and in what exactly?

        Here is the material on the statements of Kapitsa:
        https://pikabu.ru/story/sergey_kapitsa_kak_rossiyu_namerenno_prevrashchayut_v_stranu_debilov_6484780
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 12 May 2021 09: 28
      +8
      I especially liked the passage
      Only homo sovieticus can push away Germans from the Poles, and then call it "liberation" ..
      But before the arrival of the SA, they lived with the Nazis in perfect harmony ...
      Quote: nikvic46
      ... finally came to what they were striving for - brought up a country of idiots ...
      I regularly encounter them and, surprisingly, the older generation is more adequate, although most likely just more careful. But young people are brainwashed to the brim: they will see a lot of modern Polish films and really believe in all this - the crash of Kachinsky's plane is an example of this ... kids discovery channel
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 12 May 2021 09: 57
        +10
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        But the brains of young people are "washed" to clean:

        Yes, this is a problem, incl. and with us.
        Here it is desirable to take an example from China, which has fenced off its children from the filthy Internet.

        hi
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 12 May 2021 10: 17
          +8
          hi
          Quote: Terenin
          it is advisable to take an example from China, which has fenced off its children from the filthy Internet

          Systematic work with the younger generations is necessary: ​​family, school, history lessons, cinema, reasonable propaganda - systematic work with a long-range scope. Prohibitions alone will not work: it will work like the Poles. And counter-propaganda - with a competent organization, it gives great benefit
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 12 May 2021 23: 20
            +6
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            hi
            Quote: Terenin
            it is advisable to take an example from China, which has fenced off its children from the filthy Internet

            Systematic work with the younger generations is necessary: ​​family, school, history lessons, cinema, reasonable propaganda - systematic work with a long-range scope. Prohibitions alone will not work: it will work like the Poles. And counter-propaganda - with a competent organization, it gives great benefit

            I agree, buddy, but you can't do without prohibitions and filters.
            By the way, in China, at the filtration of youth and children's posts, 140 thousand operators are constantly sitting, or, as they are called there ... and immediately suppress any negative.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 13 May 2021 00: 09
              +6
              Quote: Terenin
              in China, there are 140 thousand operators constantly sitting on the filtration of youth and children's posts, or, as they are called there ... and immediately suppress any negative.
              Well, if it's simple, then 0,09% of the population. Taking into account all the centers there to counter propaganda in adjacent territories - a very reasonable figure. There is a plan B: B & P wink plan B: Caliber / Iskander crying plan A .. it's scary to even think
          2. your1970
            your1970 14 May 2021 06: 39
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Systematic work with the younger generations is necessary: ​​family, school, history lessons, cinema, reasonable propaganda - systematic work with a long-range scope.

            We already tried it in the USSR - it didn't help - the system bureaucrats itself. Automatically, nothing can be done about it.
            As a result, by the collapse of the USSR, official propaganda turned out to be ineffective at all, they stopped believing it ...
            "Come on, bays, how ships ply ..." (C) operation Y
            And they laughed at this joke, because it was routine, by the standard, in any organization.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 14 May 2021 08: 18
              +4
              Quote: your1970
              Already tried in the USSR - it did not help - the system bureaucrats itself ... to the collapse of the USSR, official propaganda turned out to be ineffective at all, they stopped believing it ...

              We cannot disagree with you, but it is also impossible not to engage in this work - we will get a "civilized west". Unfortunately, looking at modern staple / jelly comrade Suslov nervously smokes - they are his direct heirs. The world has changed and such work must change, the youth cannot be convinced with slogans
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 12 May 2021 06: 55
    +20
    Only homo sovieticus can alienate the Germans from the Poles and then call it "liberation."
    Another confirmation that the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact is a brilliant victory for Stalin's diplomacy. Wow, the commentator regrets that, together with Hitler, the panS did not pile on the USSR!
    1. Graz
      Graz 12 May 2021 07: 00
      +14
      so it was their dream, they conspired about it with the Germans, but they wanted too much, and Hitler decided that they would manage and such allies were not needed from any side
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 12 May 2021 12: 12
        +2
        Yes, no one needs such allys, not normal weapons, just a bunch of cannon fodder that is still venal and cowardly.
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 12 May 2021 08: 46
      +6
      For 20 years, the Poles lived with the idea of ​​attacking the USSR in an alliance with Germany.
      And the USSR lived in anticipation of this.
      If the gentlemen did not want to become the main ones in the Germany-Poland tandem, it would have happened.
      The pact is a brilliant political victory. One enemy was taken out of action.
      It’s a pity that the Poles didn’t give a lot of fuss. As it turned out, our generals were overestimating them all this time.
  5. Fungus
    Fungus 12 May 2021 06: 58
    +3
    Tobaccos are crowing something again
    1. novel66
      novel66 12 May 2021 07: 54
      +9
      and we will go west !!!
      1. Finches
        Finches 12 May 2021 08: 22
        +6
        hi Ukraine is successfully squeezing out the role of beloved wife, which adds irritation to the Poles! laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 12 May 2021 11: 47
          +2
          hi what kind of parasites!
    2. Sergey269
      Sergey269 12 May 2021 08: 01
      +8
      "Psheks" have always been jackal-like. I was born, studied in the former. East Prussia, now the Kaliningrad region. In the summer, in pioneer camps (mid-70s), we often held "Zarnitsy" with Polish scouts from the Olsztyn Voivodeship (either they are with us, then we are with them). Already at that time they had a "slogan": - Berlin took the Polish armies - he helped the Russian armies. This exaggerated sense of one's own superiority over everyone is called schizophrenia, the genes of the Polish gentry have an effect ...
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 12 May 2021 09: 01
        +5
        I don’t know who you met when you were young. I live in Poland, I am 50 years old, and I have never heard such a slogan. In the 80s, more attention was paid to the role of Lenino, Studzianka "Val Pomorsky", and children and young people knew mainly the official version of history.
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 May 2021 06: 59
    +6
    And what else could be expected from these pigs, it is a pity only for our dead soldiers.
  7. Russobel
    Russobel 12 May 2021 06: 59
    +9
    It's sad to hear that.
    And it's sad to write, but they are not worthy of the lives of our soldiers!
    1. novel66
      novel66 12 May 2021 07: 57
      +6
      to what to do? shortest route to Berlin
  8. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 12 May 2021 07: 02
    +17
    There is nothing new or surprising, the Poles are playing their role, there has been a change of ownership instead of Moscow, now Washington, that's the whole difference. What has changed for Poland? Previously, orders came from the USSR and Soviet troops were on its territory, now orders come from the United States and American troops control Poland. What kind of independence are all these "freedom-loving" people talking about?
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 12 May 2021 08: 49
      +1
      The new owner is richer. The slave is pleased
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 12 May 2021 12: 15
        +2
        Under the old owner, the colony was developed and now it is only impoverished, but the new owner is getting richer at the expense of it.
    2. Constanty
      Constanty 12 May 2021 08: 55
      +2
      Unfortunately it's true. And nobody looks at the will of the nation. And the authorities are on their knees before the "big brother" - now it is Washington.

      Eh sad crying
  9. unhappy
    unhappy 12 May 2021 07: 14
    +5
    A strong enemy enslaved another enemy, our soldiers defeated the strong and gave freedom to the "hyena". You can wait for gratitude from a hyena for eternity.
    Understand correctly, history must be described as it is. Brotherly people fool
    1. nnm
      nnm 12 May 2021 07: 26
      +3
      I don’t remember that during the Second World War the Poles would call the USSR an enemy. In the Home Army, of course, they tried, but even their English masters quickly shut their mouths
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 12 May 2021 07: 31
        +6
        During the war they say what is needed. The same Englishmen smiled broadly at us. When the war ended, Churchill was the first to return to the old rhetoric.
        1. nnm
          nnm 12 May 2021 07: 50
          +1
          Quote: unhappy
          Strong enemy enslaved another enemy

          - colleague, after reading it again, I understood your analogy. Germany enslaved Poland.
          Initially, I just misunderstood the meaning.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 12 May 2021 07: 40
        +2
        Quote: nnm
        In the Home Army, of course, they tried, but even their English masters quickly shut their mouths

        Of course, the British were kind of like "allies", so they closed their mouths. But then it didn’t stop them from encouraging the same Poles in their hatred of the Russians.
        1. nnm
          nnm 12 May 2021 07: 52
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          "allies"

          Let's be honest - just the owners.
        2. novel66
          novel66 12 May 2021 07: 58
          +3
          and did not interfere with shooting in the back on occasion
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  11. Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 12 May 2021 07: 22
    +4
    Poland must be divided once again! Forever and ever!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 May 2021 07: 41
      +9
      Quote: Soviet Union
      Poland must be divided once again! Forever and ever!

      Oh! You will first remove Ukraine from the world map. And then the Poles themselves will close their mouths.
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 12 May 2021 07: 28
    +2
    Why be surprised? Were the Poles better than the Nazis? Unless for the sake of political correctness, these moments were shyly covered.
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      1. Egoza
        Egoza 12 May 2021 08: 00
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        I do not know who is minus you, but I could advise this colleague to study history

        Teaching is not for them! And those who are sitting on the salary from the Ukrainian Nazis are steadily minus
      2. bukhach
        bukhach 12 May 2021 09: 30
        +1
        Well, even during the occupation, they did not favor Jews and actively helped the Germans in the destruction of this people, it is worth remembering at least the uprising in the Warsaw ghetto and the Polish attitude towards the rebels.
  13. Revolver
    Revolver 12 May 2021 07: 43
    0
    Quote: Winston Churchill
    Poland is a greedy hyena of Europe.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 12 May 2021 07: 44
    +5
    Maybe we should stop looking for "brothers"? That we are all poking back and forth in search of some mythical selfless friends? Let's live our life and don't give a damn about every little thing.
    1. out of habit
      out of habit 12 May 2021 08: 07
      -2
      The burden of sovereignty does not fall off us, so we "poke"
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 May 2021 08: 39
      +2
      Quote: Captive
      Maybe we should stop looking for "brothers"?

      These "brothers" not having time to become a state, began in 1919 a war against Soviet Russia. Yes, and 1609, Smolensk, we have not forgotten. So the Poles need to think about brotherhood a hundred times, than to make "statements". Although I do not want to offend the entire Polish people, especially since about a third of the Polish-Lithuanian blood flows in me.
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    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 12 May 2021 09: 08
      +3
      "And considering the consequences of the choice of Poland, then this people really needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth." , and how do your speeches differ from those of Hitler? he also called for the extermination of peoples from the face of the earth .. fascism-propagandize? but someone else also puts pluses .. well, well .. and at the same time is probably proud of the victory over fascism ..
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        1. lucul
          lucul 12 May 2021 10: 49
          +3
          evict and depersonalize by destroying at least passport data and giving new Poles from their territory and resettling at least in Eurasia, but no more than two in one settlement without the right to leave its borders within one generation, divide the territory of Poland itself,

          You are generally friends with your head, aren't you?
          What you described is called genocide. Write for a provocation in the Polish press?
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            1. lucul
              lucul 12 May 2021 11: 16
              +2
              Read the definitions of genocide.

              So read it - forcible displacement from your territory is also genocide, if you didn't know.
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                1. lucul
                  lucul 12 May 2021 11: 26
                  +1
                  Let them pay for their own way to the tridoroga so that in the new place they would agree to any job and already have a loan.

                  Look at a couple of posts below, I gave examples of solutions to similar problems in history.
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  16. the same doctor
    the same doctor 12 May 2021 08: 17
    -2
    The only conclusion. The population of a conquered country must be assimilated or destroyed.
    1. lucul
      lucul 12 May 2021 10: 43
      +2
      The only conclusion. The population of a conquered country must be assimilated or destroyed.

      Do not write nonsense - religion and only religion. Look how many Arabs conquered countries, and they did not cut anyone to zero, religion did it for them - it turned strangers into their own.
  17. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 12 May 2021 08: 19
    +4
    Now in power in Poland, the heirs of those. who sought to rob the European neighbors in WW2, joining voluntarily Nazi Germany, and hoping for her consent to plunder the Outskirts and Belarus. But for Germany, such an ally did not resist anywhere and she was not going to share anything with him - they only had their voluntary consent to the position of second-class people as servants and nothing more. fool
    It's all about the Great Pans' nationalism, which has not yet been overcome in the Polish people and is still supported by the Anglo-Saxons in their own interests.
  18. Tagan
    Tagan 12 May 2021 08: 23
    +5
    Quote: Egoza

    Oh! You will first remove Ukraine from the world map. And then the Poles themselves will close their mouths.

    I'm afraid that Poland will immediately be drawn with a knife and a fork)))
    Out of habit.
  19. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 12 May 2021 08: 24
    +1
    For the most part, one of the meanest people in the Slavic world, in relation to the Russians! Although the rest of the Western Slavs from among the Catholics, they escaped not far from them, at least in terms of historical memory.
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 May 2021 08: 26
    +1
    Only homo sovieticus can alienate the Germans from the Poles and then call it "liberation."
    How many times have I already written "the Pole and the whole of Europe liked to be under the Germans." And it was not necessary to liberate Poland, but to storm it, or leave it to be devoured by Hitler.
  21. BAI
    BAI 12 May 2021 08: 28
    -1
    push the Germans away from the Poles

    How well the Goebel propaganda still works. What did the Poles raise an uprising in Warsaw? They would live happily ever after under the Germans, like Paris.
    1. Murrr 27
      Murrr 27 12 May 2021 16: 29
      +1
      Duc the jackal had already seen that it was necessary to jump on a different leash, so they decided on an uprising in order to solve at least two tasks, as usual, in pshek:
      1. To provoke the USSR into an unprepared offensive, so that more of our people would die - the Russophobia of the Poles is already genetic, and even assimilation can not be corrected by any means (except by assimilation in the stomachs of cannibals from Tumba-Yumba).
      2. If the USSR had succumbed to this provocation - and we were not warned about it, that is, the "uprising" was a provocation - then when our troops would have defeated the Germans - pshek. People would have come out "in all white" and said - " we already have our own government in the capital! "
      It is good that ours were smarter - and did not pay with Russian blood to pay for the meanness and "arrogance" (a good word .... I immediately recall venereology by assonance).
  22. bbss
    bbss 12 May 2021 08: 42
    +3
    During the Victory Day celebrations, I had a chance to clash on the pages of the FB with a whole horde of rabid Polish Nazis and non-brothers who joined them. I can tell you that this bastard is absolutely devoid of moral principles and thirsts for blood. I am glad that I managed to piss them off pretty well. Special thanks to Sir Winston for saying the phrase on time, the one about the Hyena of Europe.
  23. Constanty
    Constanty 12 May 2021 08: 47
    +7
    I write like a Pole.

    Undoubtedly, the Red Army liberated Poland from Nazism and Germany. This is an indisputable fact and event that saved the existence of Poland as a state and a nation. For this, the peoples of the USSR deserve gratitude, respect and memory (including care for the graves of the fallen and cemeteries!).

    Of course, this meant both the entry of Poland into the sphere of influence of the USSR and the loss of full sovereignty, but nevertheless for Poland it meant a period of peace and the restoration of the state. This must not be forgotten!

    Were there any casualties? There were! Was Poland fully sovereign after 1945? - Not! ... However, it was worth and deserves thanks and memory, without getting hung up on trifles and not distorting history for political purposes.

    Thank you!
    1. cniza
      cniza 12 May 2021 09: 21
      +4
      And thank you, ordinary people understand everything and see everything, and politicians solve their problems without asking people ...
    2. Yuri Chvanov
      Yuri Chvanov 12 May 2021 09: 54
      +4
      Poland is still not sovereign.
      In geopolitics, Poland is a consumable and most often it is used by the Naglo-Saxons, but for some reason the Russians are again to blame (?) ...
      Poland did not become an empire only because it was tied up with Catholicism, this is also a kind of loss of sovereignty in the geopolitical sense, but then it was the choice of the Poles themselves, their elite, and after all, everything could be different, but did not grow together ... but awareness this is outside the mental field of the Poles and now it is forever.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 12 May 2021 10: 21
        0
        Hard to disagree
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 12 May 2021 12: 21
      +1
      Here we must also understand that Poland could no longer be independent and will not become, if it were not for a Soviet colony it would have become a Western one, as it is now, but already then.
  24. cniza
    cniza 12 May 2021 09: 14
    +3
    that all the actions of the Polish government today are the initiative of the American authorities, whose interests modern Warsaw happily expresses, in a fit of servility - including in terms of active confrontation with Russia by any available methods and means.


    And how it all ends, you can learn from history, so let them think ...
    1. Yuri Chvanov
      Yuri Chvanov 12 May 2021 09: 48
      +1
      The toad thinks for them.
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 12 May 2021 09: 15
    +3
    For some reason, our entire policy is based on Slavic and Christian roots. But many Slavs treat us worse than representatives of other religions. It is high time to forget these roots. How sad it sounds at the time to be more pragmatic in politics. If the Finns, Serbs, Greeks, Germans, Chinese want to be trading partners, why not? And if the Baltics, Poland imagines themselves the queen of the world, behind the back of the United States, then let them pull the cable with electricity from America.
    And reliance on Slavic roots generally becomes a stone on my feet.
    1. Murrr 27
      Murrr 27 12 May 2021 16: 38
      +1
      The government of the country should think about its own camp. Back in the 19th century, they were trying to help out "brothers" - and there was an exhaust from that?
      There are a lot of words and unusual thoughts, but it is worth trying to read the KMK: https: //alexandrov-g.livejournal.com/? Skip = 140 I do not urge you to be like Naglo-Saxon meanness in foreign policy (and in domestic policy as well) - but healthy pragmatism should be necessarily, without any squealing "ah brothers - Slavs"
  26. Eugene 102
    Eugene 102 12 May 2021 09: 16
    +3
    "attacked a fraternal Slavic country in September 1939" and in 1919 Slavic Poland attacked Russia, apparently the Psheks have forgotten
    1. Gueuze Ulenspiegel
      Gueuze Ulenspiegel 12 May 2021 12: 15
      +1
      This nation remembers only what is beneficial to it. However, like many Eastern Europeans.
  27. K-50
    K-50 12 May 2021 09: 29
    +2
    The Polish press reacted negatively to the publication of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of documents on the liberation of Poland during the war

    True eyes hurts? angry angry
    Why did your ancestors so begged our grandfathers to come quickly to the aid of the Warsaw uprising?
    Were you afraid to die? Now the granddaughters still reproach us for the blood shed for them and the lives given?
    Mra zi !!! am angry angry
  28. Yuri Chvanov
    Yuri Chvanov 12 May 2021 09: 46
    +2
    Poles are servants and a blunt weapon of the Naglo-Saxons in central Europe, both then and now.
  29. bukhach
    bukhach 12 May 2021 09: 49
    +3
    Quote: Constanty
    I write like a Pole.

    Undoubtedly, the Red Army liberated Poland from Nazism and Germany. This is an indisputable fact and event that saved the existence of Poland as a state and a nation. For this, the peoples of the USSR deserve gratitude, respect and memory (including care for the graves of the fallen and cemeteries!).

    Of course, this meant both the entry of Poland into the sphere of influence of the USSR and the loss of full sovereignty, but nevertheless for Poland it meant a period of peace and the restoration of the state. This must not be forgotten!

    Were there any casualties? There were! Was Poland fully sovereign after 1945? - Not! ... However, it was worth and deserves thanks and memory, without getting hung up on trifles and not distorting history for political purposes.

    Thank you!

    Your speech is impressive and it is difficult to disagree with it, but the trouble is that there are very few Poles who are adequate in relation to Russia and they do not make the weather. It is made by the Poles who are hostile and, thus, cause a reciprocal enmity, I must say that the statements of your leaders , publications in print and television, and the thoughts of ordinary residents, whom they share on the Internet, have made me an ill-wisher of Poland over the past decade. the same spirit.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 12 May 2021 11: 33
      -1
      Quote: Buhach
      But the whole trouble is that there are very few Poles adequate in relation to Russia and they do not make the weather. It is made by the Poles who are hostile and, thus, cause a reciprocal enmity, I must say that the statements of your leaders, publications in print and television, and even thoughts ordinary residents, whom they share on the Internet

      And you do not judge peoples by statements on the Internet, because:
      1. The World Wide Web is a global dump where (if you wish) you can find information of absolutely any quality, including one that suits your mood at the moment.
      2.
      There are more good people, but evil people are better organized (c)
      1. bukhach
        bukhach 12 May 2021 13: 38
        0
        Why did you decide that I judge only on the Internet? There is the Polish press, there are videos, there is, after all, the policy pursued by the Poles for many years. Polish Russophobia is ineradicable, here they are on a par with the Ukrainians-Bandera. would be worthy opponents, so no, there is so much dirt and insults addressed to us that you are amazed. People for the most part are not kind and not evil, it all depends on the circumstances in which they find themselves. There are very few complete villains, like altruists, very few people observe their own kind of balance in society and who is organized as I do not presume.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 12 May 2021 14: 39
          0
          Quote: Buhach
          Why did you decide that I judge only on the Internet? There is the Polish press, there is video material

          If you do not subscribe to Polish newspapers, then you will receive all of the above through the Internet.
          Quote: Buhach
          the policy pursued by the Poles for many years

          Not by the Poles, but by the Polish elite, for which this is a very profitable business.
          Quote: Buhach
          Polish Russophobia is ineradicable

          Remove its funding, add mutually beneficial management and there will be no trace of it.
          Quote: Buhach
          so no, so much dirt and insults addressed to us that you are amazed

          Well, we can do that too and don’t go into our pockets for words.
          Quote: Buhach
          People for the most part are neither good nor evil, it all depends on the circumstances in which they find themselves.

          Agree
          1. bukhach
            bukhach 14 May 2021 20: 58
            -1
            You are right, the press is translated, but this does not make it unreliable, the elite, you must agree, are the cream of society, these are not only politicians, but also cultural figures, scientists, business people (businessmen), etc.
            Quote: Dym71
            Take away her funding, add mutually beneficial management, and she won't

            Was it not so during the USSR? Russophobia went underground, very powerful and had wide support among the people. As for dirt and insults, we unconditionally concede to them for the simple reason that the Poles have much more historical grievances and claims to us than we have to them And without denying the presence of our boors, I met such, of course, but they are still far from the Poles and, most importantly, in my opinion, ours do not have such arrogance as the Poles. You will notice how the former "friendly" Georgians, Armenians, Ukrainians , Czechs and others sometimes directly sometimes involuntarily hatch the idea of ​​their historical and cultural superiority, they draw inspiration from this for their passages. Personally for me this has become a revelation over the past 10 years. I have no desire to incite discord and sow, as they say, seeds of hatred , others are doing it very well, and it seems to me that it will only get worse. I would like to be wrong about that.
  30. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 May 2021 09: 49
    +4
    We must publish and not be lazy, translate into the languages ​​of the "brotherly" peoples ..... Polish, Romanian, Hungarian, Italian ... German. Let the younger generation honor ... and most importantly, our generation at school. Now "Young Guard" does not teach at school either. After the parade, my 11-year-old son began to tell who the fascists are and what they did in the occupied territories ...
  31. Anachoret
    Anachoret 12 May 2021 12: 10
    +2
    Once, on the Ukrainian-Polish border, I saw a drunken man who shouted loudly: "All Poles p .... sy!"
    Neighing and forgetting, but then in Germany more than once I heard the unflattering words of the Germans about the Poles. Well, they do not like them there with the prefix "very". First of all, for meanness and prescription.
    Therefore, the Poles have found sponsors who are willing to pay for this colorful feature of the Polish people. Only the common people of Poland will have to guess why the country with the economy is getting worse. After all, it is impossible to shoot yourself in the foot without consequences.
  32. Gueuze Ulenspiegel
    Gueuze Ulenspiegel 12 May 2021 12: 12
    +3
    Arrogance and complete lack of memory, most importantly, the ancestral curse of the Polish nation as such.
  33. Andrey Kirilenko_2
    Andrey Kirilenko_2 12 May 2021 12: 17
    +2
    Tobacco, it is also tobacco in Africa.
  34. Tarasios
    Tarasios 12 May 2021 12: 27
    +3
    These Russian bastards, with their archives insulted Poland's rosy dream of chopping off a piece of land for itself in alliance with peaceful Germany and kind Hitler;)
  35. Tarasios
    Tarasios 12 May 2021 12: 31
    +4
    Quote: K-50
    The Polish press reacted negatively to the publication of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of documents on the liberation of Poland during the war

    True eyes hurts? angry angry
    Why did your ancestors so begged our grandfathers to come quickly to the aid of the Warsaw uprising?
    Were you afraid to die? Now the granddaughters still reproach us for the blood shed for them and the lives given?
    Mra zi !!! am angry angry

    Duc history hurts many eyes. For example, proud Georgia now point-blank does not want to remember how their tsars prayed for the salvation of Russia in their time. And so with everyone, in general. We must forget about all these "brotherly" relations, and add a share of healthy pragmatism.
  36. boris epstein
    boris epstein 12 May 2021 15: 47
    0
    For the Poles to think that Poland, together with the Red Army, was liberated by the First Army of the Polish Army under the command of Berling, and the Second Army of the Polish Army was formed in Poland. under the command of Sverchevsky. And under the monuments, the remains of Soviet and Polish soldiers and officers lie TOGETHER.
  37. zenion
    zenion 12 May 2021 17: 21
    +3
    They were almost finishing off the last yud, and then the Red Army came and freed them. It is impossible to understand whom she freed, from whom and why. It is interesting to look at the photographs of how the train with the Yuds approaches the station of the Auschwitz concentration camp and there some strangers with rifles on their shoulders and in faceted caps, confederate caps, are driving those in the carriages on their last journey. I can’t believe that the photographs are Poles. But, if you look at several of these photos, although they were forbidden to take, they tried to make history. And then an uncalled yoke came and set them free. The gentlemen were left without work again.
  38. magdama
    magdama 12 May 2021 17: 51
    +1
    In vain they freed. The Fuhrer was right about the Poles.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 22 May 2021 18: 32
      0
      The Fuhrer called Warsaw the capital of world Jewry and ordered it to be razed to the ground.
  39. magdama
    magdama 12 May 2021 17: 53
    +3
    It is not for nothing that the death camps were built in Poland. They knew that there would be no lights out from the guards.
  40. sagitovich
    sagitovich 12 May 2021 18: 22
    +3
    I have a friend in Germany, a German, who worked at the same enterprise for 23 years. The Poles recently got a job. Now they "knock" the German leadership on him, the German !!!
  41. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 12 May 2021 18: 52
    +2
    > Only homo sovieticus can alienate the Germans from the Poles, and then call it "liberation."

    Said lampshade, gloves confirmed, washed down with Bavarian.
  42. Hiller
    Hiller 12 May 2021 22: 40
    +1
    Poles are brotherly people ???? Units. Army of Ludov. Under Rokosovskiy. Under Jaruzelski. That's all.
    Oh, I forgot - the crew of tank 102. And then one Georgian. ))) request
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 22 May 2021 18: 29
      0
      The crew of the tank: 3 Poles, a Georgian and a dog defeated the Wehrmacht, and the Red Army only interfered with them, as in the opinion of the chief officers of Polski. As they say in their hymn:
      "The Polish has not yet perished,
      Yak a Bolshevik not wperdolit, then cholera strangle. "
  43. Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 May 2021 09: 31
    -2
    The entry of Soviet troops had to be coordinated with the government in exile.
  44. Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 May 2021 09: 43
    +2
    Quote: Yuri Chvanov
    There were more Poles in the Wehrmacht against the USSR than there were in Anders' army, which in the Polish style traditionally hid from the war cunningly, then on the Russians then on the English grub ...

    Not all Gustavs Helen went over to the side of the Soviet army.
  45. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 May 2021 08: 01
    +1
    Let's remember the genocide of Russian prisoners in the war of 1920, which was unleashed by "fraternal" Poland. And let's remember the hostility of Poland to the USSR in the 1930s and how the Poles sent us 3 letters when we offered military assistance against Germany in the 39th, because the whole pre-war storm around Danzig had been going on since March 1939. And as allies, Poland was thrown.

    But, for the Poles, apparently, it is normal to be used from both sides at once as a woman by the Germans and the Americans, but at the same time to hate the Russians.
  46. Glad
    Glad 14 May 2021 09: 24
    +1
    Poland hates Russia ... And what, the rest of Europe loves much, or what? "Brothers" Bulgarians in two world wars neatly fought back against Russia / USSR. Until the last day of the war, Czechoslovakia made weapons for the Wehrmacht. Moreover, the Czechs worked conscientiously, no worse than the Germans.
    Somehow everyone quickly forgot that in a very large part of Western European countries in the 30s there were no better regimes than in Germany. By the way, this applies to Poland in full measure.
    The Red Army liberated Europe from fascism. That is, from herself. Europe will never forgive Russia for this.
    By the way, in the United States before the war, the Nazi movement was also very popular. Fascism is the middle name of modern Western civilization.
  47. January
    January 14 May 2021 14: 58
    +1
    The "fraternal Slavic country" 20 years earlier tried to grab the Baltic states, Belarus and Ukraine, and this is normal.
    In general, I noticed that fraternal feelings among the Slavic peoples flare up at the moment when they need something from Russia. Money, help, mercy .... And before that, they are in the forefront running to win the "Finno-Ugric Mordor" hoping to snatch a piece for themselves.
  48. Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 18 May 2021 08: 44
    0
    The insanity grew stronger, and the clinic is constantly replenished with new patients from the "WEST" mental hospital.
  49. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 22 May 2021 18: 18
    0
    The meanness and treachery of the Poles are simply boundless. They have not reproached their official allies since 1921, England and France, for feeding them to Hitler in 1939. They blame the USSR, which was attacked in 1920, taking advantage of the civil war, and seized the ancestral Russian lands, which the USSR returned in 1939, after Poland's surrender to the Germans.
    What disgusting creatures were the Akovites, the pitiful lackeys of Britain, who cowardly shot in the backs of Soviet soldiers who fought the Germans! If these cowardly creatures attacked the Germans like that, the Red Army would have had much less losses.
    You see, these non-people didn’t like communism, by the way, it didn’t do anything bad to them, but quite the opposite raised the Polish economy to world standards. They were more attracted to Western capitalism, which despised them as an inferior inferior race. As this people was a tribe of cowardly slaves of puppets, and remained "the hyena of Europe".
  50. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA 31 May 2021 19: 24
    0
    Shawki - Poland and the Balts. Yap - get a raise from the EU. Horror.