Flags similar to the symbols of the Japanese fleet were removed in Vladivostok

Reports are coming from Vladivostok about the decision of the local authorities to replace the flags that were previously displayed on the streets of the city by May 9. The panels depicted the Order of the Great Patriotic War, from which red and white rays were radiating in different directions. This kind of images resembled the flag of the Japanese naval forces, which caused, to put it mildly, an ambiguous reaction from many citizens.

Residents of Vladivostok began to publish posts on social networks in which they expressed their opinions and noted that this kind of images can hardly be called "a mere coincidence."

From comments:

At first I thought they were Japanese naval flags. Flags of the country that was in an alliance with Nazi Germany. Then I saw a Soviet order in the center. And the fact that this is the work of another "victim of the exam" is hard to believe. This is too far-fetched a coincidence, especially for our region.

It is very similar to a provocation before the Victory Day. Let them give the name of the author of this "masterpiece".

It turned out that the city administration transferred the order for the city decoration to the Victory Day to one of the contracting organizations. Now local authorities say that "the contractor misinterpreted the conditions that were presented to him." It is stated that the perpetrators will be held accountable.

At this point, the "ambiguous" flags are reportedly removed. In their place are other options for festive decoration.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

I have no words. I just spread my hands. Every year there are more and more such "failures" in the history of the native state. And this is depressing.

[Grandfather]

egeshy creatives ... that's how states die ... first oligarchy, then feudalism, then ... soup with a cat. and from the screens -type "people" ... yeah.

[For example]

Quote: Dead Day

that's how states die.

So insanity comes, grandfather

This is an obvious provocation.

During the Great Patriotic War, they would simply be put up against the wall for this.

Smokers need to be reminded annually that they have lost the war.
The Kuril Islands were returned with the blood of our soldiers.
A reminder of this annually will help keep Hitler's associates in check.

And here...

[garik191]

Immediately cancel the reduction factor when calculating the military pension. Return the lost pension to all categories of the Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc., starting in 2012.

https://www.roi.ru/70721/

Vote, 35 thousand votes left ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: garik191

Vote, 35 thousand votes left ...

You can also sing in chorus some cheerful song, dance, get drunk, play checkers, dig up a vegetable garden or not do nichrome at all. The effect in case of your problem will be exactly the same as from your vote. That is, none.

[stas Sv]

To the court, my friend, to the court. This is the only way I achieved my coefficient

[kit88]

Quote: Dead Day

egeshy creatives.

Each jamb has a last name, first name and patronymic.
I don’t understand, for what reason does the administration of the glorious city of Vladivostok cover these creatives? Are they themselves involved or what? What is so tolerant - one of the contractors ... ?
Where is the name of the company, and the name of the head?
Submit it here!

[Ryaruav]

so these are relatives and good friends

[210ox]

Tenders for this are distributed to "their" people. Raven crow ..

[poquello]

Quote: 210ox

Tenders for this are distributed to "their" people. Raven crow ..

you have to do something with these "own people", okay there are pros and it is scary to entrust others, but more often they poke around in a friendly way, and often you very much understand that "your people" were dealing with the problem

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dead Day

egesh creatives ...

Well, all right, young stupid people made the files, but someone agreed it !!!!
it is immediately perceived unambiguously, and taking into account the region ... net 58 article clause 11 clause 14

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

net 58 article clause 11 clause 14

Powerful. Nobody told you that the 1926 Criminal Code is no longer valid? Do you still live according to the Stalinist constitution? Does it work?

[Looking for]

It would be high time to return this truly people's constitution ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Nobody told you that the 1926 Criminal Code is no longer valid? Do you still live according to the Stalinist constitution? Does it work?

fool to include it is very convenient

[poquello]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Nobody told you that the 1926 Criminal Code is no longer valid? Do you still live according to the Stalinist constitution? Does it work?

fool to include it is very convenient

for especially smart
"The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation" of 13.06.1996 N 63-FZ (as amended on 05.04.2021/08.04.2021/58, as amended on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX) "" Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article XNUMX. Appointment of a type of correctional institution to persons sentenced to imprisonment
ui .. there are only 4 points

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: poquello

for especially smart
"Criminal Code of the Russian Federation"

EVERYONE understood EVERYTHING very well, but especially gifted ones need to be silly

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

EVERYONE EVERYONE understood perfectly

that you, my dear, in your fantasies are trying to operate with articles of a non-existent criminal code? Doesn't this sound like a bell for senile dementia?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Doesn't this sound like a bell for senile dementia?

cross yourself

[210ox]

A person still shakes at the mention of Stalin and the communists. Maybe there is something to shake with?

[poquello]

Quote: 210ox

A person still shakes at the mention of Stalin and the communists. Maybe there is something to shake with?

yes 60 years as that Criminal Code does not work, it would be time already))))))))))))))))))

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

fool to include it is very convenient

Perhaps, but I'm sorry, I won't take your advice.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

There are two variants of the origin of the "Japanese flag".
First - someone, not out of malice, but out of illiteracy and stupidity, wanted to portray something similar to the first flag of the USSR Navy, but could not stand the standard for the sake of the order's radiance due to the larger number of rays (on the first flag of the USSR Navy there are only eight narrow white stripes emanating from the white circle with a star on a red background).
Second - more criminal: a certain dissident - an opponent of the government - deliberately slipped this option in order to ridicule the government.
The official who approved this option is definitely to blame.
With regard to both the official and the "creator", the competent authorities must carry out thorough and honest checks.
After the checks, determine the guilt of each, punish and disclose.

[volodimer]

I don't think there was any "malicious intent" in this case. Even here, Vladivostok-Primorye (I showed the people the picture), few people know what the flag of the Japanese navy looks like. Those who are interested in the history of the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905 know. But even they did not immediately react to the similarity. Only after a thick hint: "Lieutenant, I .. want." So it's just a puncture.
Someone was very concerned about it. Nevertheless, such moments should probably be avoided. But still, this is not from the category of Nazis on the posters for VICTORY DAY.
It's already 6:00, it's already here. All members of the forum Happy Holidays !!!!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

There are two variants of the origin of the "Japanese flag".
First - someone, not out of malice, but out of illiteracy and stupidity, wanted to portray something similar to the first flag of the USSR Navy, but could not stand the standard for the sake of the order's radiance due to the larger number of rays (on the first flag of the USSR Navy there are only eight narrow white stripes emanating from the white circle with a star on a red background).
[.

Flag of the USSR Navy 1924-1935
The old flags were handed over to the museum and they began to come up with new banners - mixing style of the Russian Empire и modern thoughts...
The final result is assessed by the clerk from the MO.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Dead Day

that's how states die ...

How would you describe the collapse of the USSR?

[Clear]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I have no words. I just spread my hands. Every year there are more and more such "failures" in the history of the native state. And this is depressing.

I would not be surprised if they were hung up if they were from Urengoy.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Or Clear girls are patriots of bourgeois Russia.

[lucul]

I have no words. I just spread my hands. Every year there are more and more such "failures" in the history of the native state. And this is depressing.

Yes, what failures are a guaranteed and meaningful provocation of foreign special services - it is necessary to dig who is the initiator of this provocation.

[rocket757]

The initiator sits somewhere in the position and gets money, maybe not one!
Although, if he just slipped a sample, but it did not understand that he was slipped ... one fig, GUILTY!
Variants of consequences are different .... fine and drive from office or add an article!

[NEOZ]

Quote: rocket757

Variants of consequences are different .... fine and drive from office or add an article!

found !!!!
this is Marina 23 years old !!! designer at the printing house !!!!
yesterday they were shot for treason ...
ps
when will we kill them all ???

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: lucul

But what failures are a guaranteed and meaningful provocation of foreign special services?

Recall Peirov and Boshirov from vacation! There is work for them!

[xorek]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I have no words. I just spread my hands. Every year there are more and more such "failures" in the history of the native state. And this is depressing.

The fifth column is not in vain fulfilling its grants .. After all, PR and advertising campaigns are in their hands. Orders go and are cunningly executed .. We are indignant old ones, but young people absorb right away .. And then try to prove it, as here on the site ..
Read Vicky and the rod like a "tiger" tank against infantry with incendiary bottles.
Hold on for now! But we will die, that everything is being done for this ... As their children and grandchildren are divorced, as if they were not forced to stand on their knees, in front of the whole world ...
You can't allow this, guys ..

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I have no words. I just spread my hands. Every year there are more and more such "failures" in the history of the native state. And this is depressing.

...... and when I counted the rays, I realized ... this is the Airborne Forces, but only in the interpretation of the Second World War, where they shed a lot of blood and a lot of white spots ..... but really, the stupidity of banner workers and contractors is off the charts

[Piramidon]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

and when I counted the rays, I realized ... this is the Airborne Forces

Nothing to do with the Airborne Forces. Where did you find the rays?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Nothing to do with the Airborne Forces

........ yes, I realized that I was mowing, but it was too late ... USSR Air Force, note the similarity along the beams

[Anzhey V.]

I have no words. I just spread my arms

But what can you say if our country's leadership drapes the Mausoleum on Victory Day with cardboard boxes, and the Soviet red banner has been turned into some kind of state taboo?

[Terenin]

Quote: Anjay V.

and the Soviet red banner turned into some kind of subject of state taboo?

The official symbol and military relic of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
The banner was established by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation No. 162-F3, dated December 29, 2000, "On the banner of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the banner of the Navy, the banners of other types of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the banners of other troops."

[seacap]

Not so much depressing, how much it provokes questions about whose power we have and who is being served, such an impression in my opinion of the layman that this is generally an occupation administration, judging by their irresponsibility and permissiveness, how they are stupefied by the dough, they do not rule, but rule.

[for]

I have no words. I just spread my arms

And the sky is suspicious blue!
It is not for nothing that psychiatrists show pictures, a person sees what he wants to see.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I have no words. I just spread my hands. Every year there are more and more such "failures" in the history of the native state. And this is depressing.

Well, how do you like that?

Normal move? Which of the commentators will find a jamb in what? Of my 23 acquaintances, only 2 (two) noticed that the presenter on stage was wearing shoe covers !!!!. And the fact that three FW-190A4s with red stars, but with the JG54 "Grunhertz" emblem painted on board, shoot down the Il-2 (with red stars) did not surprise anyone ... So at least they distinguished it that way and that is good. True, one thing is bad, not one eccentric, with the letter M, who subsidized it. From the administration, will not suffer for this jamb. Happy Victory Day !!!!!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

on board with the emblem JG54 "Grunhertz" they shoot down the Il-2 (with red stars) did not surprise anyone.

.... even the IL-2 I did not see in the picture as well as the emblems of the Grunhertz ..... I dare to assume that this picture belongs to the test center of the RKKA Air Force Research Institute ..... but in this case it is a shame of pure water

[Fitter65]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.... even the IL-2 I did not see in the picture as well as the emblems of the Grunhertz ..... I dare to assume that this picture belongs to the test center of the RKKA Air Force Research Institute ..... but in this case it is a shame of pure water

The picture has nothing to do with the IC SRI,

Well, unfortunately, in the size that is, the picture is not uploaded to the site, but even if you look closely, you can see. That under the red arrow there is a smoking IL-2, Under the black ones there is just a "green heart" ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

.Under the red arrow, a smoking IL-2,

....... yeah. just saw ... some kind of chaos

[Revolver]

Quote: Fitter65

Well, how do you like that?

Perhaps not by malice, but by thoughtlessness and ignorance of the materiel. I even read somewhere that when the first LA-5s appeared at the front, there were cases of attacks on them by our pilots, who mistook them for FW190s. And these are pilots who, by definition, must have 100% vision and know the silhouettes of all their own and enemy aircraft from all angles. This, like, craakl found a nice photo in a suitable color scheme, and used it.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Nagan

Perhaps not by malice, but by thoughtlessness and ignorance of the materiel. I even read somewhere that when the first LA-5s appeared at the front, there were cases of attacks on them by our pilots, who mistook them for FW190s.

Well, the first FV-190s appeared in September 1942 near Leningrad, La-5 in August near Stalingrad. And at the expense of thoughtlessness, they thought of drawing red stars instead of swastikas and crosses. So this is well, neither thoughtlessness nor ignorance of materiel.

[poquello]

Quote: Fitter65

And at the expense of thoughtlessness, they thought of drawing red stars instead of swastikas and crosses. So this is well, neither thoughtlessness nor ignorance of materiel.

stars painted - means trophy)

[Fitter65]

Quote: poquello

stars painted - means trophy)

For information, if captured tanks were used in the Armored Forces, then aviation was tested only in the rear ... And even more so, three FV-190s at once, and below the burning Il-2. Stupidity bordering on cretinism is not necessary to justify. It is necessary to know history, at least slightly, so as not to write such nonsense. In the Air Force of the Red Army there was not a single unit flying on captured equipment at the front.

[poquello]

Quote: Fitter65

aviation was tested only in the rear ... And even more so, three PV-190s at once, and below the burning Il-2. Stupidity bordering on cretinism is not necessary to justify. It is necessary to know history, at least slightly, so as not to write such nonsense

ndya .., have you ever thought about the fact that the absolute majority of the population knows the word "foquewulf" much less than the word "lobby"?
Watch modern films about the Second World War, and do not go to some kind of club director.

[Fitter65]

Quote: poquello

Watch modern films about the Second World War, and do not go to some kind of club director.

What modern war film can be called a FILM? Delirium of a drunken director called "Fighters", who was called "Stormtroopers" at birth? Or another crap called "Podolsk cadets"? I think it's not even worth talking about the T-34. And this is from the same series of "club directors".
Good deed memory and monuments to people

True, the German destroyer Z-36 was depicted on the monument, and on the monument to M.T. Kalashnikov's German SG-44 was also portrayed as a "club director" well, these are trifles, practically there is only one "lobby". Although when the level of journalism has reached such a level, it really is that "digging" to some "club director"

One conclusion suggests itself

[Fitter65]

In the commentary above, the photo with the monument to the "German destroyer" for some reason was not watchable, but I corrected this omission. and even before the heap he attached some works of "club directors" ...

And here, too, "club"? ..

[poquello]

Quote: Fitter65

this is from the same series of "club directors".

this is from a series of modern films, and the club director is the one who staged the matinee in the club

[Fitter65]

Quote: poquello

and the club director is the one who put the matinee in the club

It’s not a country club either. And one of the scenes of one city ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Is it okay that the state flag of Russia is exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov?

[Volodin]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And the official Vlasov flag
, this is normal?

Don't bend it. This flag, as is well known, appeared in Russia long before Vlasov and the Vlasovites. That is why, after the collapse of the USSR, it was he who was chosen - this is an interesting question, but only, as they say, a completely different story

[Grandfather]

Quote: Volodin

Don't bend it.

and nehru Lyokha bend ... look at the historical photos. on Victory Day, one banner should be - Red. no tricolors are out of topic here.

[Clear]

Quote: Volodin

Don't bend it.

So paid

[xorek]

Quote: Volodin

Don't bend it over. This flag, as is well known, appeared in Russia long before Vlasov and the Vlasovites.

Under Peter the Great, like a trade flag in the navy .. So to speak, to show Russia!

Quote: Volodin

That is why, after the collapse of the USSR, it was he who was chosen - this is an interesting question, but only, as they say, a completely different story

Interesting of course .. But the Red flag and the red star are not forgotten either.
I often think about this too ..
And the Vlasovites got theirs and especially their bespectacled general was hanged like a mad dog.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Volodin

Don't bend it over. This flag, as is well known, appeared in Russia long before Vlasov and the Vlasovites.

An interesting inflection point. We are celebrating the Victory Day, which was accomplished by our fathers and grandfathers under what banner? Maybe it's really enough to go overboard? There are symbols and attributes of the Great Patriotic War. They should be in full view of everyone (at least) on this day. And portraits of Stalin, and portraits of commanders, and portraits of those killed in this war ... And in memory of what is this holiday organized? Here is a footage from the Victory Day parade on June 24, 1945:

(6:43) The victorious warriors carried past the Mausoleum their battle banners fanned with the immortal glory of numerous victories !!!
There are no other banners there except the Victory Banner, which was hoisted over the Reichstag, there are no two-headed eagles, and there are no tricolors. And those who could not preserve the property of the winners are not allowed to change these traditions. Let them carry whatever they want in their victories ...

[poquello]

Quote: Volodin

That is why after the collapse of the USSR they chose him - this is an interesting question.

[Revolver]

Quote: Volodin

This flag, as is well known, appeared in Russia long before Vlasov and the Vlasovites.

Well Duc and the swastika appeared millennia before the Nazis, and the ancient turkeys had it as a symbol of light and good. The Nazis appropriated it without any rights. Now tell me that the swastika is NOT a symbol of hatred and evil, and can be used otherwise than in the context of the history of 1933-1945. In Germany, for such a statement and use, you can really get a criminal article, according to which a term can be given.

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

Now tell me that the swastika is NOT a symbol of hatred and evil, and can be used otherwise than in the context of the history of 1933-1945.

exactly, here is a fascist killing an animal

[Clear]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Is it okay that the state flag of Russia is exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov?

You have been explained 100500 times that Vlasov never fought under the Russian tricolor. And do not show, for the 100th time, this Pskov masquerade with a flag. Learn history.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Clear

Learn the story.

I certainly apologize, but it is you who are learning history, preferably not through the Internet-YouTube

[Clear]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Clear

Learn the story.

I certainly apologize, but it is you who are learning history, preferably not through the Internet-YouTube

I already realized that you are ... funny, then you ... apologize.
Give your documentary link that the Vlasovites fought under the Russian tricolor. Or do not interfere, but secretly minus.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Clear

Give your documentary link that the Vlasovites fought under the Russian tricolor. Or do not interfere, but secretly minus.

I am different from you, I don’t minus and don’t provide links, since you and yours don’t need this, but I don’t need to prove it, I don’t know the history of the Second World War from YouTube
and still get shoulder straps here in less than a year or two - this is normal says a lot ... adies you are on your way

[Clear]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

and still get shoulder straps here in less than a year or two - this is normal says a lot

What do you have to do with it?

Quote: Sandor Clegane

I do not know the history of the Second World War from YouTube

let me doubt it.

Quote: Sandor Clegane

.... adies you in your way

probably, ... no, for sure, I will not bear the parting

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Clear

Give your documentary link,

for YOU children of Google, Alice and Wikipedia, I inform you that the link is a vacation in the Magadan region!
after your third request to minus from under tishka - I did it with pleasure

[Clear]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Clear

Give your documentary link,

for YOU children of Google, Alice and Wikipedia, I inform you that the link is a vacation in the Magadan region!
after your third request to minus from under tishka - I did it with pleasure

Wait, "professor", the boomerang always comes back ...
And mark in your tutorial that the "Magadan region" exists only in your fevered imagination, and tell your curator that there is no such entity in the Russian Federation.
TwoShnicks

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Clear

this Pskov masquerade with a flag. Learn history.

excuse me, why a masquerade ?!
do not specify what it is?

[Clear]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Clear

this Pskov masquerade with a flag. Learn history.

excuse me, why a masquerade ?!
do not specify what it is?

I repeat. The ROA did not fight under the tricolor. You then do not go on about the provocateurs. Evidence that this flag was not thrown to Lenin's Movzolei in June 1945, like others who were defeated.

Further, on the "masquerade", chevrons, stripes, emblems ... incl. I have given below examples of other countries ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Once again, I generally have a violet under what the Vlasovites fought
you are wrong about the flag as well as about the chevrons
and yes, the red flag is much dearer to me

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Clear

You have been explained 100500 times that Vlasov never fought under the Russian tricolor.

Dear Yasnaya, partly you are right, partly not ...
Flag and sleeve sign ROA ...

Meanwhile, the Vlasovites originally wanted to use the "tricolor" ....

The famous researcher of the Vlasov army described such a process of creating a flag that is known to us. For this, an artist was brought in, who used several different variations of the traditional tricolor. But they were all crossed out and rejected, and Vlasov himself suggested leaving the Russian tricolor crossed out with a cross. Thus, the flag remained Russian, but as if the Germans crossed it out “out of fear of it”. And later, the St. Andrew's flag came in its place, that is, a white canvas with a blue cross, later a red edging was added to it, and it became a symbol of the ROA.

https://flagof.ru/drugie_flagi/vlasovskij-flag/
Meanwhile, I would like to note that the "tricolor" was used by other Russian collaborators, long before the creation of ROA, as well as by the ROA units themselves, but at the final stage of the Second World War ....

The researcher of the history of the ROA *, publicist Sergei Drobyazko believes that such a generalization is due to the fact that numerous divisions of collaborationists fought on the side of the Nazis, which had nothing to do with the ROA * - they had their own symbols, including flags. For instance, the tricolor was used by the 1st Russian National Army of General Boris Holmston-Smyslovsky, which in no way interacted with the army of Andrei Vlasov - first of all, for ideological reasons of Smyslovsky himself, who knew the traitor-general and despised him.
At least two facts are known when the ROA * units raised the white-blue-red standard as their own symbol (these events are captured on photo documents) - at the parade in Pskov in June 1943 and in the German Münsingen in 1945... But these were special cases, which were the initiative of the Vlasovites themselves - the Germans did not approve of such a manifestation of initiative in the ROA *. However, there is documentary evidence confirming the gravitation of the Vlasovites to the tricolor: in the spring months of 1945, many units of the ROA * entered their last battles under the white-blue-red banners.

https://news.myseldon.com/ru/news/index/221365058
So your statement that RAO never fought under the "tricolor" is incorrect .... of course, this does not mean that it was the official flag of RAO, because before the adoption of the official flag RAO was used, (not in combat conditions) "tricolor" crossed out cross on cross ...

[Clear]

Quote: Lara Croft

Flag and sleeve sign ROA ...

Lara, but this is not TRICOLOR, according to which all the "fuss" (hype).

Quote: Lara Croft

Meanwhile, I would like to note that the "tricolor" was used by other Russian collaborators, long before the creation of ROA, as well as by the ROA units themselves, but at the final stage of the Second World War ....

Yes. Even about a similar situation with other countries, I described here below ...

Quote: Lara Croft

in the spring months of 1945, many ROA * units entered their last battles under the white-blue-red banners.

"The dog is with them" by these white émigrés with their friend Count Grigory Lamsdorf, who once, on his own initiative, managed to carry the tricolor to Pskov.
The Germans did not allow such self-righteousness anymore, if only because the RAO was a structural unit of the Wehrmacht!
And, the rest, uncontrolled groups of traitors and traitors ..., could run around with anything, changing the opposite symbols several times.

Quote: Lara Croft

RAO was used, (not in combat conditions) "tricolor" crossed out cross on cross ...

What is it? Can I have a photo?

[Lara Croft]

Lara, but this is not TRICOLOR, according to which all the "fuss" (hype).

I did not write that this is the ROA "tricolor" (read my comments carefully), I wrote that it is:

Flag and sleeve sign ROA ...

What is it? Can I have a photo?

Clear You did not read my comments carefully:

Vlasov himself suggested leaving the Russian tricolor crossed out with a cross. Thus, the flag remained Russian, but as if the Germans crossed it out "out of fear of it"

The very image of such a flag is probably on the internet ... if there is a description in the article ..., in addition to such a flag, it was used before the adoption of the ROA analogue of the Andreev flag, and the ROA never fought with it, at the end of the Second World War the ROA used the usual the national flag of Russia of the RI period ... and which is now the state flag of the Russian Federation ...
Perhaps the original version of the POA flag looked like this (see the bottom flag):

https://topwar.ru/161512-znamena-ikony-russkie-trikolory-i-flazhnoj-jetiket.html

August 22, 2021 will be the Day of the State Flag of the Russian Federation, respectively, imbeciles will again come out to VO, who will claim that the current state flag of the Russian Federation is the flag of the ROA ...

Compare two articles on the state flag of the Russian Federation:
https://topwar.ru/99575-den-gosudarstvennogo-flaga-rossii.html
article of 2016, almost not a single bad comment about the flag of the Russian Federation and not a single comment that the current state flag of the Russian Federation is a replica of the ROA flag ...
https://topwar.ru/161512-znamena-ikony-russkie-trikolory-i-flazhnoj-jetiket.html
The article of 2019 is already a lot of negative comments, and, accordingly, statements (including by "generals" from the VO) that the current state flag of the Russian Federation is a replica of the ROA flag is more ...
Come to VO on August 22, 2021, maybe you will see many "acquaintances" here ... with arguments about the Vlasov flag ...

[Clear]

Quote: Lara Croft

Compare two articles on the state flag of the Russian Federation:
https://topwar.ru/99575-den-gosudarstvennogo-flaga-rossii.html
article of 2016, almost not a single bad comment about the flag of the Russian Federation and not a single comment that the current state flag of the Russian Federation is a replica of the ROA flag ...
https://topwar.ru/161512-znamena-ikony-russkie-trikolory-i-flazhnoj-jetiket.html
The article of 2019 is already a lot of negative comments, and, accordingly, statements (including by "generals" from the VO) that the current state flag of the Russian Federation is a replica of the ROA flag is more ...
Come to VO on August 22, 2021, maybe you will see many "acquaintances" here ... with arguments about the Vlasov flag ...

And I’m talking about that. We need to explain.
And, since then, it has been taken away, irrevocably, a lot of guys who support Russia, and from the Baltic states, Okarina ... there are more and more "opponents" ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov?

....... dauzh ..but you forgot to mention that there was no two-headed eagle on the ROA tricolor ... and indeed ... the POA, although it was formed, did not participate in the battles ... because Gimler understood what stands in battles rabble in the form of a division ss galitchina

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

but did not participate in battles

What battles?
Specify?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

What battles?

.... the wildebeest were not at Balaton, nor at the Seelow Heights. I won't say anything about the battles for Berlin ... and you have information about participation in the battles of the ROA ... share ... because in the Great Encyclopedia of WWII in 12 volumes, not a word about this

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

do you have information about participation in the battles of the ROA ..

Helped the Czechs in Prague against the Germans.
You can search for yourself.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Helped the Czechs in Prague against the Germans.

... in the BE of the WWII, events are covered in detail with maps and a listing of the units that were involved in the battles ... the ROA is not there

[Clear]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov?

....... dauzh ..but you forgot to mention that there was no two-headed eagle on the ROA tricolor ... and indeed ... the POA, although it was formed, did not participate in the battles ... because Gimler understood what stands in battles rabble in the form of a division ss galitchina

Indeed, some Russian anti-Bolshevik formations created during the Second World War used the tricolor flag, in particular the Russian Guard Corps and the 1st RNA of General Smyslovsky.
However, these connections were formed mainly from Russian emigrants and had nothing to do with Vlasov.
The flag of the ROA proper was a white flag with an oblique azure cross, best known as St. Andrew's. The ROA sleeve chevron was also a St. Andrew's shield with a red piping.
The photographs of the famous Prague meeting of the KONR on November 14, 1944, clearly show that the stage is decorated with two huge banners: the fascist flag with a swastika and the St. Andrew's flag. The only documented use of the tricolor flag by Vlasov was the parade of the 1st Guards Brigade of the ROA in Pskov on June 22, 1943. However, in the future, the Germans did not allow such amateur performances.
S. Drobyazko. Russian Liberation Army. M., AST, 1999
"Rodina", 1992, N 8-9, p. 84-90.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

fascist flag with swastika and St. Andrew's flag.

... you are more careful with the St.Andrew's flag, otherwise now you will pick up the minuses and indecent comments from modern sailors ... I don't care, I'm an urgent service in the USSR Navy, it was my own flag ... but for Andrey now there will be a nix on the way

[Clear]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

fascist flag with swastika and St. Andrew's flag.

... you are more careful with the St.Andrew's flag, otherwise now you will pick up the minuses and indecent comments from modern sailors ... I don't care, I'm an urgent service in the USSR Navy, it was my own flag ... but for Andrey now there will be a nix on the way

The flag has nothing to do with it.
The question is that the traitors who used it were convicted by the Nuremberg Tribunal and here, in Russia, under a criminal ban. In Russia, they are not proud of the Vlasovites and they are not made heroes, in contrast to the same Ukraine, Poland and some other European states. In Russia, they do not arrange torchlight processions and do not use Nazi insignia.
And, unlike them, we know history and do not rewrite it.

This flag was used by the pilots "Normandie-Niemen"

What is the national flag of France now? Yes, all the same! And he always was.
Someone in France demands to remove it, like the flag of collaborators? Nobody!

The same is with the flags of other countries, which had their own collaborators - Belgium, the Netherlands, Serbia, Norway, Estonia, Latvia, and so on.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And, unlike them, we know history and do not rewrite it.

.... well, with the history, all the rules are bad, poor ... that with regards to Andrey .... if modern sailors are rude to you ... then you are a knight's move .. and why does your jack on the tanks have a little great similarity to the royal navi .. (explanation .. the bow of the ship, the jack is the belonging to the country, it is raised on the tank, the flag at the stern is the military designation of the vessel)

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Clear

The question is that the traitors who used it were convicted by the Nuremberg Tribunal

I do not remember that the ROA was convicted by the MTN. Can you provide a link to the relevant sentences?

[for]

there was no two-headed eagle.

Not here either.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And nothing that the state flag of Russia is exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov

Is the Tricolor an invention of Vlasov?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And what about the rays of the sun, an invention of Japan?

The sun's rays are the basis of the flag of the enemy state.
Vlasov assigned the tricolor. And to say that the Russian state flag is Vlasov's can only be an outright insignificance.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

In a dispute, you become personal, without evidence.
This speaks to your mental level.

Vlasov defiled the Russian tricolor, that is, he committed an act of vandalism. How do you propose to me to treat you, if you actually support this abomination, since you are broadcasting it?

[for]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

vandalism.

To nail up the mausoleum.

[tatra]

What does insignificance have to do with it? The tricolor was imposed on Russia and the Russian people by the traitor of both the USSR and Russia, the American lackey Yeltsin. And the "ideology" of the enemies of the communists is such that in order to slander the USSR more, it is necessary to create the illusion that everything was fine before the October Revolution, and this must be returned, including state symbols, the names of cities and streets.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: tatra

it is necessary to create the illusion that everything was fine before the October Revolution, and this must be returned, including state symbols, the names of cities and streets.

In this case, it would be more logical to use the imperial black-yellow-white, and not Peter's white-blue-red.

[tatra]

Enemies of the communists and logic are incompatible concepts.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: tatra

Enemies of the communists and logic are incompatible concepts.

What does the logic and enemies of the communists have to do with it? If the task of the enemies of the communists was to create the illusion that everything was fine before the Revolution and that it must be returned, as you wrote, then God himself ordered them to approve the imperial tricolor as the state flag.
However, for some reason they decided to use the Peter's tricolor.
Of course, you are piously convinced that it was necessary to leave the flag of the USSR. But such a country is gone. I understand that if the Union shrank to the size of the RSFSR, Soviet Russia, then the attributes of the USSR would make sense. But this did not happen and the use of the symbols of the USSR as state symbols would just be illogical.

[tatra]

Well, yes, the Russian Empire had several state flags, the Provisional Government chose the tricolor, the White Guards, the ROA chose the tricolor, and there is a video of the ROA Parade in Pskov on the Web on June 22, 1943 with this tricolor. So the fierce enemy of the USSR and the Soviet people, Russia and the Russian people, Yeltsin chose him.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The tricolor began to be used by Peter I in 1963. This was the first state flag of Russia. Therefore, he was chosen.

[tatra]

Ha, you yourself understood what you wrote?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: tatra

Ha, you yourself understood what you wrote?

If I am wrong, please point out my mistake.
But why flirt?

[tatra]

Are you seriously asking what you are wrong about?

Peter I in 1963

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I admit, it turned out stupid. However, it is quite clear that this is just a slip of the tongue.
But maybe you want me to start clinging to the peculiar kind of your comments?
I noticed long ago that almost all of them are full of enemies of the communists. Is this something personal? In the USSR, did your parents or did you actually have a good position, thanks to which you could live carefree and happy?

[tatra]

There is no need to get out, and immediately snap back, they would just admit honestly that they were mistaken. And Peter the Great made the tricolor not the state flag, but the flag of the merchant fleet. The tricolor became the main national flag only under the praise of the enemies of the communists, Nicholas II.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: tatra

There is no need to get out, and immediately snap, just admit honestly that you were mistaken

I didn’t get out and immediately admitted. I just noticed the growing aggression in your comments. Agree, it's unpleasant when people jump on you.

[tatra]

And this is the result of 30 years of slander by the enemies of the communists against my homeland, the USSR, and the fact that the enemies of the communists have the ideology and history of their country - this is malice AGAINST something or someone. This is how I communicate since 2008, when the forum of the project "Name of Russia" was opened, the results of the voting in which the enemies of the communists blatantly falsified, and during this time I met only two enemies of the communists capable of calm and honest discussions about the history of our country.

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

it is necessary to create the illusion that everything was fine before the October Revolution,

but before the bloody 1905-17 everything was fine

[tatra]

Well then, alaverds. And before the seizure of the RSFSR by those praising "Russia we have lost" in October 1917, everything was fine. On the example of the strictly last Russian monarch, praised by the enemies of the communists, to create another of the heap of their anti-Soviet myths, it is perfectly shown that they can falsify everything to justify their capture of the USSR. From his reign they threw out all the facts that were unfavorable to them, the same that they, with their hypocritical "righteous anger" and "philanthropy", exposed those from whom they took the USSR for the crimes, the shortcomings of the government they exhibited for the achievements of Nicholas II.

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

the shortcomings of the government were exposed for the achievements of Nicholas II.

the shortcomings of the government do not justify the massacre staged by the revolutionaries, and the revolutionary work for Japanese, English, German and the United States money consisted in undermining the empire's economy, creating a crisis

[tatra]

Enough, in the cowardly manner of the enemies of the communists, when they write about YOU, to rush to rage against the communists. None of you is capable of honest, objective, adequate discussions about the history of your country and people.

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

Enough, in the cowardly manner of the enemies of the communists, when they write about YOU, to rush to rage against the communists. None of you is capable of honest, objective, adequate discussions about the history of your country and people.

stop jumping off the topic you raised, RI was the largest agricultural country in the world

[tatra]

It was you who cowardly "shifted the arrows" from the essence of my commentary to the hypocritical "philanthropy" of the enemies of the communists, which you turn on exclusively in your anti-Sovietism. And the enemies of the communists do not even understand the meaning of their anti-Soviet manuals. Confirm or refute my words - prove AT the expense of what was the large export of food from the Russian Empire.

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

prove at the expense of what was the large export of food from the Russian Empire

at the expense of the area for agriculture, at the expense of the largest herd of cattle, why did they forget to write about it in the manuals of the CPSU?

[tatra]

And that, prove with figures that the food that was exported from the Russian Empire was surplus, and not due to the fact that the authorities and the capitalists kept the people in a half-starved existence. ...

[tatra]

This is due to what and to whom a lot of grain was exported from the Republic of Ingushetia.
"The shortage in bread is usually replenished with one or another surrogate. Most often in this case, the peasants turn to potatoes. Of other surrogates, bran, quinoa, oilcakes, birch, a fire, etc. are often used. In Vitebsk, Mogilev, Minsk, Smolensk provinces, peasants very often they eat bread, which includes absolutely everything that is collected in the field; grain is not winnowed, flour is not cleaned and is not sifted out; this bread is locally called "maternity" ("Materials for the study of the properties of hungry bread." The dissertation of F.K. Stefanovsky, 1893).

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

This is due to what and to whom a lot of grain was exported from the Republic of Ingushetia.
"The shortage in bread is usually replenished with one or another surrogate. Most often in this case, the peasants turn to potatoes. Of other surrogates, bran, quinoa, oilcakes, birch, a fire, etc. are often used. In Vitebsk, Mogilev, Minsk, Smolensk provinces, peasants very often they eat bread, which includes absolutely everything that is collected in the field; grain is not winnowed, flour is not cleaned and is not sifted out; this bread is locally called "maternity" ("Materials for the study of the properties of hungry bread." The dissertation of F.K. Stefanovsky, 1893).

this is how communist propaganda was written, a shortage of bread in certain regions due to a poor harvest, you pass off as hunger due to export

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

And that, prove with figures that the food that was exported from the Russian Empire was surplus, and not due to the fact that the authorities and the capitalists kept the people in a half-starved existence. ...

time beguiled
"On March 25 (April 7), 1917, the Provisional Government introduced a" grain monopoly ", which implied the transfer of the entire volume of bread produced to the state, minus the established consumption rates, for personal and economic needs.
The "Bread Monopoly" was confirmed by the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars dated May 9, 1918. The surplus appropriation system was reintroduced by the Soviet government at the beginning of January 1919 in the conditions of the Civil War and devastation, as well as the “food dictatorship” that had been in effect since May 13, 1918. The surplus appropriation system became part of the policy of "war communism" and was carried out by forcibly confiscating bread and other products from the peasants at the established ("spread out") product rate and state prices. "

[tatra]

Ha, you are incorrigible, again "turned arrows". When I was recently in a Moscow hospital, the nutrition of the patients was such that I remembered the proverb of the peasants of the Republic of Ingushetia "cabbage soup and porridge is our food." Most of the peasants did not even eat much of normal bread, not to mention meat, which the peasants, according to the Statistical Collection of 1913, consumed only 19 kilograms per year per person.

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

Ha, you are incorrigible, again "turned the arrows".

these are not "shooters", it is a fact that they began to forcibly select in the 17th year

[tatra]

WHAT does this have to do with my question to you - due to what a lot of food was exported from the Republic of Ingushetia?
Enemies of the communists are real - only when they have no benefit to lie and hypocrite, and outside their anti-Sovietism with hypocritical "philanthropy", to justify their capture of the USSR, they all proved their real inhuman essence, including what they claim to be the "achievements" of the bourgeoisie, that at the expense of peasants starving and starving to death, they exported a lot of food from the Republic of Ingushetia, and for their "achievements" that they export a lot of grain from Russia due to the fact that they poison the Russian people with low-quality bread with a bunch of chemicals, and destroyed two-thirds of cattle in Russia .

[poquello]

Quote: tatra

WHAT does this have to do with my question to you - due to what a lot of food was exported from the Republic of Ingushetia?

Chukchi writer?

Quote: poquello

due to the area for agriculture, due to the largest herd of cattle,

Quote: tatra

at the expense of peasants starving and starving to death

Well, don’t tell my sneakers, no one took it by force, what are you talking about? We have homeless people starving, so what? - so at the expense of them we fly into space, etc.?

[for]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

The sun's rays are the basis of the flag of the enemy state.

Ban the sun's rays and rainbows.

[Stas1973]

Yes, he was not like that. How much can you? The flag of the provisional government - yes, it was. And the ROA's colors were located differently, and the chevron was like on the current flag of the Navy

[Clear]

Quote: Stas1973

Yes, he was not like that. How much can you? The flag of the provisional government - yes, it was. And the ROA's colors were located differently, and the chevron was like on the current flag of the Navy

So.

[Stas1973]

Not at all. The tricolor was used by General Smyslovsky's PHA. In the ROA, the St. Andrew's cross was used.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Is it okay that the state flag of Russia is exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov?

How long can you repeat this crap? What, did Vlasov serve in the navy for Peter I?

[Pensive Lawyer]

The tricolor first appeared under Peter I. Then it began to be actively used again under Nicholas II.
The fact that Vlasov decided to use it does not mean that the flag is now associated with him.
George the Victorious was also used by many.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Is it okay that the state flag of Russia is exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov?

To increase mental development, open the Russian flag in Wikipedia, and be surprised that such a flag was used even under Peter I. Looks like Peter Alekseevich was the very first Vlasovite.

[Evil 55]

Well, yes, the rising sun in the center is just not enough ... The creator of this "masterpiece" did not bother at all. Downloaded from Nat, added the order, mastered the allocated amount .. Such "patriots" must be punished, at which it is tough and public, at least flogging publicly for sheer stupidity ..

[Grandfather]

Quote: Angry 55

The creator did not bother

generation "next" ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Angry 55

Such "patriots" should be punished, at what it is harsh and public, at least publicly whipped for obvious stupidity ..

It is necessary to punish, first of all, the customer in the person of the city administration for not controlling the activities of "IT geniuses".

[Grandfather]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

It is necessary to punish primarily the customer in the person of the city administration

yah ??? maybe the system and education? or maybe stupid textbooks? didn’t think about it?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Dead Day

yah ??? maybe the system and education? or maybe stupid textbooks? didn’t think about it?

Of course I did. I am with both hands for an early return to the Soviet education system and a single national standard for textbooks.
But my comment was not really about that. And about the blatant bungling of the mountains. administration. That obviously worked "on the dump."

[dauria]

.Download from Net, added the order, mastered the allocated amount.

Most likely it was. To notice the "blooper", the creative needs
your search engine, in your head. Together with a bunch of facts stored there in the head. Until you ask Google the question "Is this picture normal? Will it cause a scandal?" This is the trouble with internet knowledge.
The answer was quickly found, but the work of the search was not done by your brains at a subconscious level. It means that there are no "files" in the head, nor the route to them in the subconscious mind. And the mechanism for revealing "similarity" itself is not developing.
So I don’t think that someone deliberately made such nonsense.

[Thrifty]

USE ATTACKS! So, this is happening more and more often in the country! We raised the livestock of common people, Ivanov, who do not remember kinship, and we are reaping the benefits! And then it will be even worse! The Soviet education system really was the best in the world, and now the children of Lermontov and Pushkin are confused - they both had storytellers, authors (or co-authors) of fables that Krylov actually wrote! All this is no longer funny, but very, very sad. ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: Thrifty

USE ATTACKS!

minus then they learned to sculpt ... unicellular ...

[Gardener91]

Quote: Thrifty

The Soviet education system was indeed the best in the world

In Finland, the Soviet education system is now considered one of the best in the world.

[rocket757]

Unified State Exam and not very smart "girls designers" who do not know the history of their country, THIS IS A CONSEQUENCE !!!
The root cause is much higher ... the ruling class is HTO? what is their attitude to the history of OUR Great Country!?!?!?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Residents of Vladivostok began to publish posts on social networks in which they expressed their opinions and noted that this kind of images can hardly be called "a mere coincidence."

"That night the samurai decided to cross the border by the river." They pounced on the unfortunate flag here, scolded it, ripped it off and are looking for shpiens. And somewhere, an unhappy girl, a designer who tried very hard, is crying. And what happened as always. Well, the era of market relations. Who cares about some kind of history. And in general, maybe this is the flag of the Japanese Soviet Socialist Republic from the future.

[VORON538]

With such knowledge, "what if maybe she's selling cabbage (and maybe sizgi) in the market, it's time for you to take care of the forest."

[IS-80_RVGK2]

I see you can't sarcasm at all. It is sad. And remember, you can be as smart as you want, be indignant and urge to fight the consequences, but until you take the fifth point off the couch and solve the problem, nifiga will not change.

[Nikolay1987]

This is because they are fighting against Soviet symbols. filthy fascists. In some city, at the end of the house they depicted a "Katyusha", a girl in a Soviet uniform and against the background of a tricolor * rukalitso *

[bubalik]

,,, that's fresh.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Apparently from the word - baroque.

[Stanislav82]

On June 29, 1944, Konstantin Rokossovsky was awarded the title of Marshal of the Soviet Union, and on July 30 he received his first Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

[Stanislav82]

litter. there are two letters K

[faterdom]

Apparently the contractor had a Japanese mother ...

[VORON538]

It is not difficult to find customers, as well as performers. And ... when necessary, they will find for what. The question is different - the order, as a rule, is from the administration, and then either they were stupid or collaborators, there is no third choice. But the administration is no one In general, it is high time for such bloopers to introduce criminal liability for both customers and performers. For nefig! The birthdays of their loved ones are remembered, as well as the days of death, and the photos on the gravestones of their relatives do not change!

[Looking for]

such "forgetful" -won with a "wolf" ticket.

[Gardener91]

At first I thought they were Japanese naval flags. Flags of the country that was in an alliance with Nazi Germany. Then I saw a Soviet order in the center. And the fact that this is the work of another "victim of the exam" is hard to believe. This is too far-fetched a coincidence, especially for our region. A tactical technique of psychological influence on consciousness with hidden propaganda is to shove in something unproductive. In Ukraine, it has been working for 30 years and every step is "steeper" than the previous one.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Gardener91

A tactical technique of psychological influence on consciousness with hidden propaganda is to shove in something that is not puffed.

Maybe you shouldn't look for a black cat in a dark room if it's not there? In this case, most likely an elementary designer blunder. But the petty-bourgeois couch chekists had already caught the spies and shot them. Also, of course, virtually.

[Gardener91]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Maybe you don't need to look for a black cat

Only I found the cat?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Do you think you're the only one so unique?

[Gardener91]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Do you think one is so unique?

Patient: - Doctor, I am unique! - In what sense? - I have a ringing ... - Well, my friend, in that case, you are a mutton)) Happy New Year !!!

[rocket757]

It is hard to believe that this is the work of another "victim of the exam". Too implausible coincidence, especially for our region

... A very topical comment !!!
Now the correct question is - And who will answer for this ???
Position and money, which are probably SPENT from the budget !!!

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

And who will be responsible for this ???
Position and money, which are probably SPENT from the budget !!!

Easily! Was the money spent exactly from the budget?

[rocket757]

Who spent, who is this "responsible" face? Each offense has a full name!
And it doesn't hurt to ask questions, what marks in history did that face have ??? What more, necessary, questions to ask afterwards ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Any more questions to ask afterwards ...

.... whose Crimea

[rocket757]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Any more questions to ask afterwards ...

.... whose Crimea

Let the Kukuevskys have fun with this, there are NO questions for us.
Another thing is to ask a "responsible" person, an official, what did they think when they asserted and paid for such things?
And this is at least ....

[Crimean partisan 1974]

ask the "responsible" person, an official,

...... well ... then ... CHIM'S SMOKERS ... and everything will fall into place ... it seems like they have taken obscene banners ...

[rocket757]

This is a question for those who cannot calm down on their islands ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

This is a question for those who cannot calm down on their islands ...

......... okay ... then ..when Furkala is returned

[rocket757]

Furgal heard about this, and who is Furkal and who took him! Aliens?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Furgal heard about this,

........ well, okay, hell is rare, it's not sweeter ... what's wrong with him ... otherwise, on the other side of Mother Earth, the news is like a damaged phone

[rocket757]

Furgal suffered from the "crown" ... now he is recovering. I don't know anything else.
Oh yes, he is sitting.

[Gardener91]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Whose smokers

Not even a question. Who doesn't understand?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Not even a question. Who doesn't understand?

.... zheke psaki ... well, and to all sorts of clowns ... I was just asked to help with a question ... well, I’m so badass

[Gardener91]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.... zheke psaki ... well, all sorts of clowns

That's why they are dogs - tobacco.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

psaki - tobacco.

... not ... the tobacco knew clearly when to break to the north, but with the zheka ... in short ... when Lee leaves the vacation there ... here's an interesting question

[Gardener91]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

when Lee comes out of vacation there ... here's an interesting question

asks, even as he asks.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

asks, even as he asks.

....... with the edge of my ear I heard that he was, as it were, denied accreditation for the briefings of the khozdep ... well, is it true or not it's a secret ... nevertheless, the progressive Russian world wants to know this and expresses concern

[Gardener91]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Well, it's true or not it's a mystery ...

Lee's sharp questions are primarily needed by the State Department itself. Rather, the way Zheka "parries" them - impudently, cynically, deceitfully, thereby showing who the power is behind. Was there at least one question from Lee, or the dumbest answer from Dogs, influenced the information policy of the American states and their political direction in the future?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

At least one question from Lee, or the dumbest answer from Dogs, influenced information policy

........Yes . she became disorganized in the Western world, all sorts of Brexits, and most importantly, the undercover construction of SP-2, in which they saw the meanness of Germany during the coding of the black dove of peace Nabama ... and so, Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 took place, well and other water, grain and other truces ... so Lee tried

[Gardener91]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.... so Lee did his best

Nenene ... Petrov and Bashirov ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Petrov and Bashirov ..

....... well, if so it is so. ... it means that not far from Minin and Pozharsky, it is necessary to build a monument to Petrov and Bashirov .... that's just the question of what Petrov will transfer to Bashirov or vice versa ..... Minin and Pozharsky have a sword-kladinets ... a friend will be .... quite a pertinent question

[Gardener91]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

and they will transfer what to each other ... it is quite a pertinent question

Rotten newbie.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Rotten newbie.

.......... that is, the cone of the Negro-General Cohen ..... and what. creatively ... unity of nations

[Gardener91]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

that is, the cone of the negro general

We are not like them ... Minimum tank!

[Andrey Shiryaev]

Definitely OUR

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

What more, necessary, questions to ask afterwards ...

The desired direction of search is local NGOs. I think so.

[rocket757]

They are not local, they are foreign agents! The enemy's army, in short.

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

they are foreign agents!

Well, it's legal to sort things out and punish just anyone. Rather it will be so. If they raise a rustle, they will refer to short-sightedness, the search for a black cat, a technical error, and so on. However, the "flags" were removed ...

[rocket757]

Quiet bureaucratic swamp and around them tied up, you need to shake it up regularly !!! So that completely unusable things pop up on my husband .... and then system cleaning, HOW IT IS NECESSARY!

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

Quiet bureaucratic swamp and around them tied up, you need to shake it up regularly !!!

As long as the authorities are not afraid of responsibility for the authorities, nothing will change. There is no one to shake and nothing. "Corruption will destroy this country" P.A. Stolypin

[rocket757]

Many of our, and other wishes fly away into .... emptiness.
This is an unfortunate fact.

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

Many of our, and other wishes fly away into .... emptiness.

"Manuscripts do not burn"; "A spark will kindle a flame")

[rocket757]

That the sparks flew, you need to work hard, make real efforts!

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

That sparks flew, you need to work hard,

Everyone is doing (even here) more than they estimate themselves. Trust me ...

[rocket757]

I do not detract from the work of the others, I just have a job that I consider more important ...
And here ... interesting, but nothing more.
In general, I don't go anywhere, except for specialized, technical sites ... I'm not interested in me.
There are many former military men here, and this attracted them once and remained so.

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

there is a matter that I think is more important

Well, I love to embroider with a cross. And here, it's like cognac does not flow under a lying officer.)

[rocket757]

To embroider with a cross, too, I can ... but my soul is to the pieces of iron, lies ... and that's what I'm doing.

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

... that's what I'm doing.

Sincerely success to you and a Happy Victory Day!

[rocket757]

And you with the coming holiday!

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

This is an unfortunate fact.

This is democracy under capitalism. The Romans and slaves ... were under democracy ...

[rocket757]

I don’t like it now ... what will happen when this will cease to suit the critical mass of our citizens?

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

what will happen when this ceases to suit a critical mass of our citizens?

Lyokha Blokher will be released.

[rocket757]

Did you think well?
Failed, this is the same thing .... he is not interesting to anyone.

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

Did you think well?

I didn't even think about it. Such opposition was needed by the authorities themselves, favored and cherished by them. The most convenient candidate is a not-to-be-passed candidate. Where is Platoshkin? No, I just asked ...

[rocket757]

Right! If the frogs croak, then the crane allowed them ...
The question is, whom to choose, whom we will follow ... I don’t know.
I would choose one, but not by party affiliation, but for his genuine concern for people ... but he is a petty party functionary and there is no such chance to get to the top !!!!
They do not cajole the bosses, but are busy with the real business.

[Gardener91]

Quote: rocket757

I'd choose one

Not one decides. The team decides, the ideological orientation with a clear, voluminous information policy, educational education, but it is not. There may be concepts, nothing more. You can change the driver, but the train will not change directions along the laid rails, otherwise, re-laying is a costly and lengthy process, and even bloody.

[Aag]

Quote: Gardener91

Quote: rocket757

Did you think well?

I didn't even think about it. Such opposition was needed by the authorities themselves, favored and cherished by them. The most convenient candidate is a not-to-be-passed candidate. Where is Platoshkin? No, I just asked ...

I didn't know what to do, - believe me, good advice: next time (this is more to your previous post, - somehow denote your irony, not everyone understands).

[Gardener91]

Quote: AAG

somehow denote their irony, not everyone understands).

Thank you! Good sarcasm in politics is always valuable ... I think I already wrote somewhere

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Yes, in recent years, our progressive graphic designers have done a lot of fancy stuff. But in this case, the reaction to their artists smacks of paranoia. With great effort it turns out to firmly associate our order with Japanese militarism. Simply, having eaten nasty things, we often see them even where they, like in this case, are not. In this particular case. I recently saw a man on the street - with two legs. Well, just like Hitler's!

[tralflot1832]

It is necessary to return the censorship, this would not have happened. The Americans also wet the crusts, then they will congratulate each other with a photo of the nuclear cruiser Peter1 in all its glory (they do not know that others also have large ships), then a MIGAR in white-blue-red colors (again thinking that this is only their colors) And if it's no joke, it's a shame!

[rocket757]

It is necessary to return RESPONSIBILITY for such and similar offenses ...
This is the responsibility of some particular official .... fine and drive from the State Service! For them, this is a threat and not a joke.

[bars1]

Or maybe these posters were placed on the instructions of the local FSB, in order to check the locals for patriotism? The residents of Vladivostok did not disappoint the Chekists! And what if we were talking about the theory of contracts, and not about the usual bungling, then why not have this theory as well?

[Tagan]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Is it okay that the state flag of Russia is exactly the same as the flag of the ROA Vlasov?

Lost in time?

[d1975]

Many laws have been published on the protection of our Victory, but when will they begin to work? This is a real flight by the authorities, first of all, who was supposed to control it? And as always, everyone can get away with it! And the punishment must be made vowel and indicative!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It is in Vladivostok that it looks like a Japanese flag.

100% provocation. The prosecutor's office should check at least.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

At a minimum, the prosecutor's office should check.

In fact what?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In fact what?

Involvement in the attempted rehabilitation of Nazism (part 1 of Article 354.1 of the Criminal Code).

How does this differ from the fact that photographs of the fascists are placed in the Immortal Regiment shares?

This is an outrage over the Victory and the memory of the war, it is worth punishing for this!

If it is established that this did not happen intentionally, then the matter is different, but in my opinion this is a planned action and even paid.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Involvement in the attempted rehabilitation of Nazism (part 1 of Article 354.1 of the Criminal Code).

What is rehabilitation, is it possible in more detail? Thugs on the incorrectly drawn flag of the Imperial Navy of the WWII period and the modern fleet of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces (the red sun is located closer to the flagpole, and not in the center) imposed a Soviet order, so what?

So they will say that the order was simply imposed on two-color lines diverging to the sides ...
That is why ideological sabotage is dangerous, because in this case it is unprovable ... in this case it is necessary to act not in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, but with a file ...

[tatra]

Yes, nothing will happen to anyone - neither the officials nor the executors. The main consequence of the freedom of the enemies of the communists from the communists is monstrous irresponsibility and impunity.

[Atlant-1164]

So instead of the Guards ribbons .. you can distribute the St. George ribbons? and how is the tricolor related to May 9 sideways? to the Victory of the Soviet people in the Second World War ?? but this blooper can not be tolerated ??

[Atlant-1164]

parade in the original ..

[mat-vey]

Quote: Atlant-1164

So instead of the Guards ribbons .. can you distribute the St. George ribbons?

Even worse in WWII are the colors of the medal block "For Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."

[poquello]

Quote: mat-vey

Quote: Atlant-1164

So instead of the Guards ribbons .. can you distribute the St. George ribbons?

Even worse in WWII are the colors of the medal block "For Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."

and Orders of Glory

[slipped]

most likely used the flag of the Soviet Russian Navy in 1923

that's just the size of the rays were mistaken

[rocket757]

Wow "wrong"!
What kind of "professional designer" could have confused this?
Another cheap ignoramus .... officials decided to save money?

[Adler77]

Every year the same thing, I don't believe in random mistakes. This is a deliberate provocation. It is necessary to judge them for treason.

[Looking for]

There have been a lot of recent "mistakes, misinterpretations, etc." that the common man described as anti-state activity.

[Lara Croft]

Now local authorities say that "the contractor misinterpreted the conditions that were presented to him."

Well, it's easy to check by reading the Terms of Reference, who approved it and who accepted the finished work, for which money was paid ..... if the color scheme was not specified, then the Contractor could have made a "rainbow" flag at all, but apparently the Contractor turned out to be tight-fisted and spent only in red color ...
If the Contractor has done everything, as indicated in the terms of the tender, then there are no guilty ones either ...

[notingem]

The job was accepted by a specific official responsible for the event. Excuses are not accepted

[Lara Croft]

This kind of image resembled the flag of the Japanese naval forces.

In the internet I looked, like the number of red rays is 16, like the flag of the Japanese naval self-defense forces, only the red circle on the flag is not in the center of the flag, but closer to the flagpole (officials will smear it for a blunder) ... besides on the flag hung there are rays in Vladivostok, but there is no sun ...
The flag of the Imperial Navy during the WWII was the same ...

The initial concept of the flag is not clear, even if it were made in other colors (USSR Air Force / RF Air Force), what would it mean?
Wouldn't it be easier to place the order in the center of the USSR flag or the 150th SD? At least the logic would be ...

[bubalik]

At least the logic would be ...

,, after watching "Night Watch". That's where the connection is

[notingem]

It would be easier not to fly a flag similar to the Japanese one. From a distance it looks like the flag of the Imperial Navy. And in Japan it will be shown; here the samurai will rejoice

[Hiller]

Every decision made has an author. Surname, name, patronymic, position. The author also has a boss (leader). What prevents the author (s) from being made public and publicly punished ???. Stop turning on the "fool". The victims of the exam.

[Siberian]

"the city administration transferred the order for the decoration of the city to the Victory Day to one of the contracting organizations"
That's where the dog rummaged! The city administration cannot just take and hand over the order, it needs a tender, which is organized much earlier, there are only approvals that cost. And if the order is less than a certain amount (100000 rubles), then it is possible without bidding, but then it is clear that the order and payment will be received by someone very close and dear to the main person in the administration. For small orders, this is what they strive for, but about education, a certain level of knowledge does not take into account anything at all. "Sonny" will receive, slap the order and receive a guaranteed payment.

[Aag]

A similar situation developed in Irkutsk. On May 1, the territory behind the administration building, around the Eternal Flame, was "decorated with" rags "of all colors of the rainbow. In addition to red! There is a video in Tik-Tok, I do not advertise, - I have not decided on the direction of the author.
Basically, what to expect? What was the name of the Holiday in the USSR? (International Solidarity Day, WORKING! In terms of combating oppression of those very workers.) And now? (Labor and Spring Day! We'll hang up flags, in terms of tolerance ...
So, they teach it a little bit.

[Valery56]

Colleagues, Happy Anniversary of the Great Day. You yourself understood what you were talking about? For those who have this background nostalgic for the Japanese navy, I can tell you how to get there cheaper. For those who do not like the background, I remind you that the time of witch hunters is a thing of the past. And now there is a struggle between customers and suppliers. Fight for money. A struggle to which they are trying to give political meaning. I have one association - Great holiday.

[notingem]

You have no colleagues here.

[notingem]

Also tell partners

[notingem]

I hope the bureaucrats responsible for this political sabotage will be punished? Or again not? Although it is more likely that the prize will be given according to the lists prepared in advance.

[Siberian]

These "misunderstandings", misunderstandings, misunderstandings at every step, for example, yesterday the presenter of the OTR TV channel, commenting on the Immortal Regiment, said that they are carrying portraits, but only of those who are dear. And who are among the participants in the Second World War, who is inexpensive? As the channel management, which approved and released this pearl of inexpensive defines (this frau), of course, it read the text, i.e. this is not a slip of the tongue, someone wrote it in advance, but she said it. We with the whole family still haven’t figured out who are not being carried, left overboard, inexpensive, how did OTP cut off?

[Stanislav82]

I am writing from Simferopol. Today I went to a store (Yabloko store chain) and bought food, plays music or songs dedicated to the Second World War. I stand at the checkout and lo and behold, the Anthem of Artillery! Well, of course, the version where Stalin gave the order is absent and in the middle of the song there is an insert from the parade march of the Third Reich. I asked the cashier what is it? The answer has been like this for three days.