Turkish drone Bayraktar TB2 "credited" with the destruction of three battalions of Armenian tanks in Karabakh

Turkish Drones Bayraktar TB2, purchased by Azerbaijan, during the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh destroyed more than three battalions of Armenian tanks... This follows from the infographics that appeared on the web.

According to the data presented in the picture, by the way, first shown back in October 2020, when the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh were still being waged, the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones destroyed 114 Armenian tanks, i.e. more than three battalions, 43 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 141 artillery mounts and MLRS, as well as a bunch of other military equipment of the Armenian army, and this is only 24 days. The military conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia lasted 44 days, which means that about the same number was destroyed over the next 20 days?

Judging by the data presented, only Bayraktar TB2 drones fought in Nagorno-Karabakh, all other weapons were used insofar as. Even loitering ammunition purchased from Israel hit fewer armored vehicles than Turkish drones.

It is possible that this infographic is actually part of an information war, which was supposed to show Armenia that Azerbaijan is armed with "the most reliable attack drone" capable of destroying a bunch of enemy weapons without losing a single UAV. The Armenians also did not hesitate to report the "great losses" of the other side. Another month of the conflict has not passed, and Yerevan has already reported about 15 shot down Su-25 attack aircraft of the Azerbaijani Air Force, 514 (!) Destroyed tanks and 168 drones.

So this data should be treated with caution.

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[Asad]

Cigarette case gold three pieces

[svp67]

Quote: ASAD

Cigarette case gold three pieces

And not only...

And this is for two hundred combat missions ... it is interesting that they were destroyed by the Su-25, which made SIX HUNDREDS of such sorties ...

[Kaman]

There were dozens of videos with the destruction of Armenian tanks alone, so these data are close to the truth ...

[svp67]

Quote: Kaman

There were dozens of videos with the destruction of Armenian tanks alone, so these data are close to the truth ...

There are several dozen videos, and they claim 114 out of 146 destroyed ... what were other weapons systems doing then?

[OgnennyiKotik]

There are also losses of Armenians, voiced by Aliyev:

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Self-propelled artillery mounts "Akatsia" and "Gvozdika" - 28 destroyed, 5 taken as a trophy. Cannons of various calibers - 315 destroyed, 37 taken as war spoils. Mortars - 63 destroyed, 62 taken as trophies. Special vehicles - 10 destroyed, 93 taken as trophies. Grenade Launchers - 178 were taken as a trophy. Tractors - 10, anti-aircraft guns "Shilka" - 5 were taken as a trophy. Small arms - 1380 small arms were taken as a trophy. 7 command posts, 11 ammunition depots were destroyed. Tanks - 287 were destroyed, 79 were taken as trophies, 366 tanks in total. The list goes on. Infantry fighting vehicles - 69 destroyed, 47 taken as trophies. Su-25 - 5 aircraft were destroyed. Trucks - 252 destroyed, 270 taken as war spoils.

Destroyed equipment of the Armenian army:
Anti-tank weapons - 53 units, Smerch - 4 units, Grad - 97 units, Uragan - 2 units, MLRS - 1 unit, TOS flamethrower - 1, S-300 anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) - 7 launchers, 1 S-300 radar and 2 S-300 detection stations. Radar station "Defense" - 1 unit, SAM "TOR" - 5 units, SAM "Osa" - 40 units, SAM "KUB" - 4 units, SAM "KRUG" - 1 unit, SAM "Zastava" - 14 units, SAM S-125 - 2 units, unmanned aerial vehicles - 22 units, Elbrus operational-tactical missile system (OTRK) - 2 units, ballistic missile - 1 unit, Tochka-U missile system - 1 unit, electronic combat - 5 units, command and staff vehicle “R-142” - 2 units, radar station “Sky-M” - 1 unit, various radar stations - 7 units, electronic warfare system “Repellent” - 4 units.

114 out of 287 destroyed tanks is quite an adequate figure.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

There are also losses of Armenians, voiced by Aliyev:

Apparently it is necessary to share the losses of the Armenian Armed Forces, volunteers from Armenia, the NKR Armed Forces and reservists and volunteers from the NKR.
Otherwise, according to Aliyev's data, Azerbaijan destroyed and captured more tanks as trophies than TOTAL was in service with the NKR ...
Armament of the People's Karabakh Defense Army
There is no exact data on the actual amount of weapons, since the unrecognized republic is not subject to the Treaty on the Limitation of Conventional Arms.
Tanks: from 177 up to 371 units;
BMP and armored personnel carriers: from 278 to 396 units;
Artillery pieces and mortars: - from 291 to 322 units (including up to 44 MLRS BM-21 "Grad");
Aircraft: two Su-25;
Helicopters: three Mi-24 and five other models.
There are also several divisions of S-300 air defense systems, supplied by Armenia in recent years, and operational-tactical missiles "Scud", the range of which allows to strike at Baku.
Source: https://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/232516/#cont_4
© Caucasian Knot
I personally do not have information that the RA Armed Forces took part in the above-mentioned conflict ... accordingly, Azerbaijan could not physically destroy the number of tanks and MLRS indicated by Aliyev, since there were not so many on the payroll ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Lara Croft

losses of the Armenian Armed Forces, volunteers from Armenia, the NKR Armed Forces and reservists and volunteers from the NKR.

Purely bureaucratic difference. This is one, united Army of Armenia.

Quote: Lara Croft

according to Aliyev, Azerbaijan destroyed and captured more tanks as trophies than TOTAL in service with the NKR

Aliyev speaks about 366 destroyed and captured tanks, the NKR had 371, without the tanks of the Republic of Armenia.

Quote: Lara Croft

I have no information that the RA Armed Forces took part in the above-mentioned conflict.

Everyone owns this information. The RA itself speaks about this, naming its losses in this war. They speak about the soldiers and officers of the RA Armed Forces killed by the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Purely bureaucratic difference. This is one, united Army of Armenia.

From a legal point of view, unconfirmed conjectures, the RA never recognized the NKR, either as a part of the RA, or as an independent state, and even more so did not have a common leadership and command with the NKR ... the opposite has not been proven ...

Aliyev speaks about 366 destroyed and captured tanks, the NKR had 371, without the tanks of the Republic of Armenia.

You are "pulling an owl on a globe", 371 these are approximate data and the maximum from my source, according to WIKI they are contradictory and according to the last source indicated in WIKI of tanks from NKR - in 2016 there were 200-300 units. Institute for Strategic Studies. The Military Balance 2016. - P. 181. - ISBN 978-1-85743-835-2., According to another earlier source in 2009 the NKR had 371 tanks Schmidt H.-J. Military Confidence Building and Arms Control in Unresolved Territorial Conflicts // PRIF Reports No. 89. Frankfurt am Main, 2009. P. 12.
Here's another source for 2020:

Now, according to unverified data, the NKR armored forces number 322 units of T-72 MBT and T-55 medium tanks., 324 BTR-70, BTR-80, BMP-1 and BMP-2. The army has 322 artillery systems, including 44 MLRS BM-21 "Grad".
The Azerbaijani side insists on the following figures for arming the army of the harrow of Nagorno-Karabakh. Tanks - 253

https://proza.ru/2020/10/03/1707
So, given the statistical data from various sources, the number of tanks in service with the NKR is less than what was destroyed by Azerbaijan ...
The same applies to the NKR PA ...
According to my sources, the number of cannon and rocket artillery at the NKR was 322 (including mortars), and according to your data, it was destroyed or taken as trophies (excluding MLRS) -

Cannons of various calibers - 315 destroyed, 37 taken as war spoils. Mortars - 63 destroyed, 62 taken as trophies.

315+37+63+62=т.е.477.
The NKR suffered catastrophic losses in the conflict, which it will never replenish, but there is no need to exaggerate and overestimate the losses, if the side had three tanks, then the other side could not destroy five ...

RA herself talks about it

Can you cite a source where the RA claims to send its Armed Forces to NKR and losses among its regular troops fighting with the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan ....?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

There are several dozen videos, and they claim 114 out of 146 destroyed ... what were other weapons systems doing then?

They passed by.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The Kurds (YPG) posted a video of the strikes at the Turks base with a UAV.
https://gerilatv.com/calakiya-hezen-parastina-hewayi-kirya-res-nisan-2021_d477b253c.html

[lucul]

They passed by.

And now the question is - so what was destroyed? )))
Or actually Bayraktar himself, as an attack drone, or Spike, and Bayraktar acted as a target designation tool?))))
Or what other MLRS besides Spike worked? ))))

[stone]

Current No targeting spike required

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: lucul

what was destroyed? )))
Or actually Bayraktar himself, as an attack drone, or Spike, and Bayraktar acted as a target designation tool?))))
Or what other MLRS besides Spike worked? ))))

TRLG-230 ... Turkish rocket launcher ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Kaman

There were dozens of videos with the destruction of Armenian tanks alone, so these data are close to the truth ...

There were various percussion UAVs, incl. Elbit Hermes

[venik]

Quote: Krasnodar

There were various percussion UAVs, incl. Elbit Hermes

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And not only "drums"! On several videos, it was clearly noticeable that the projectile / rocket hitting the equipment came "from the side" (that is, most likely an unmanned reconnaissance drone was working (possibly illuminating the target with a laser) ...

[Krasnodar]

Done right

[venik]

Quote: Kaman

There were dozens of videos with the destruction of Armenian tanks alone, so these data are close to the truth ...

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Namely TANKS? And exactly "BAYRAKTARAMI"?
PS My friend, you are just naive "outrageously"!

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: venik

Quote: Kaman

There were dozens of videos with the destruction of Armenian tanks alone, so these data are close to the truth ...

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Namely TANKS? And exactly "BAYRAKTARAMI"?
PS My friend, you are just naive "outrageously"!

... Yes, it was! If these are not enough, plus another 150 Syrian. Now we - the naive ones, even have such a stupidly funny meme: Don't displace our Bayraktars with some kind of Iskander! And this is after Shushi. Absolutely stupid meme!

[Disant]

everything that is bombed from bayraktars is filmed from a reconnaissance target designator drone. (correct me if I'm wrong)
It was correctly indicated above that there are only a few dozen videos with the defeat of tanks. Total. Everywhere.
All your numbers have a zero at the end to be trimmed to be objective.
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Do not displace our Bayraktars with some kind of Iskander!

Explain how you connect Bayraktars with Iskander in terms of making them laugh?

in this photo everything is logical and interconnected - everyone knows where and to what points our Iskanders are directed, in your phrase nothing is clear. Explain

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Disant

everything that is bombed from bayraktars is filmed from a reconnaissance target designator drone. (correct me if I'm wrong)
It was correctly indicated above that there are only a few dozen videos with the defeat of tanks. Total. Everywhere.
All your numbers have a zero at the end to be trimmed to be objective.
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Do not displace our Bayraktars with some kind of Iskander!

Explain how you connect Bayraktars with Iskander in terms of making them laugh?

in this photo everything is logical and interconnected - everyone knows where and to what points our Iskanders are directed, in your phrase nothing is clear. Explain

Disant ...... Sorry, sorry for the late response. As you can see, I am not killed at all and only slightly wounded, but in my heart! Only not Iskander at all. And don't even imagine! I was amazed by the "parameters" of this cute girl 90-60-90.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kaman

There were dozens of videos with the destruction of Armenian tanks alone, so these data are close to the truth ...

[xorek]

Quote: ASAD

Cigarette case gold three pieces

Four cigarette cases, with brulikov ... Five foreign currency accounts, six passports ...

How familiar)))

[skif8013]

Fairy tales to tell, not to do. They are like fishermen by God, they all measure in size.)

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: skif8013

Fairy tales to tell, not to do. They are like fishermen by God, they all measure in size.)

I would not believe it either, but there is one good site, Lostarmor, which shows a photo, satellite photo, ID, coordinates of the lost equipment .... I will say this, the numbers are shocking (for the Armenian side) Judging by the data, drones (Turkish and Israeli) showed themselves on the good side. Not only Turkish but also Israeli drones did their bit. So go to that site and you can study it in detail. All the data is there. Search for Karabakh. The date from which to what and press and see.

[skif8013]

I can understand everything, war, propaganda. But why were they stuck to me cons and who do not understand. Those who threw sticks justify so to speak! Or are they descendants of the Black Sea diggers ?!

[poquello]

Quote: skif8013

I can understand everything, war, propaganda. But why were they stuck to me cons and who do not understand. Those who threw sticks justify so to speak! Or are they descendants of the Black Sea diggers ?!

shh. these are the secret Turks

[Disant]

I would not believe it either, but there is one good site, Lostarmor

77 tanks in 2020 on both sides hit EVERYTHING by all kinds of fire.
so what about the fishermen is confirmed - correctly written

[knn54]

And how many civilians have died do not want to tell?

[Rageee]

little, very little, the main damage was taken by the Armenian military personnel. In this war, there was no massive bombing of cities and towns (as in the same Iraq or Syria). Yes, there were mutual shelling of cities from long-range missile defense systems and points, but the losses among the civilians on both sides are estimated at a maximum of 2-3 hundred people, which, against the background of 8-9 thousand killed soldiers (on both sides), is simply minuscule.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: knn54

And how many civilians have died do not want to tell?

For civilians in a couple of months, an international commission will issue a verdict. Thinking the Armenian side will get away with shooting the 2nd city in the sleeping area with a tactical missile?

[poquello]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: knn54

And how many civilians have died do not want to tell?

For civilians in a couple of months, an international commission will issue a verdict. Thinking the Armenian side will get away with shooting the 2nd city in the sleeping area with a tactical missile?

Well, the Americans got away with it - with nuclear bombs on Hiroshima from Nagasaki

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: poquello

Well, the Americans got away with it - with nuclear bombs on Hiroshima from Nagasaki

Do you compare America with Armenia or Azerbaijan?)))))))))))))))))))))

[poquello]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: poquello

Well, the Americans got away with it - with nuclear bombs on Hiroshima from Nagasaki

Do you compare America with Armenia or Azerbaijan?)))))))))))))))))))))

I compare the equality of the parties, since the "international commission"

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: knn54

And how many civilians have died do not want to tell?

So I sit and think what the Armenians still have to do so that people like you, sofa experts, wake up?

Here is a video for you, where the Armenians at the state level compare the Russian army with KALOSHAMI and where in the parliament a couple of days ago.



go and support them further.

[Terenin]

Armenian clown deputy Babajanyan, said

"... it is necessary to create new conditions for the real modernization of the Armenian army ..."

He would also add that salt should be ... salty

By the way, galoshes are irreplaceable footwear in the mud.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Terenin

He would also add that salt should be ... salty

Honestly, it's disgusting to look at them. Do not act like a man. They say one thing to the face and another behind their back You save them, and they are like this KALOSHI.

Nothing, they will soon be given a bill for Karabakh. The commission is working in full there and there is a possibility of losing Zengezur. Then we'll see how they sing.

[Terenin]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Honestly, it's disgusting to look at them. Do not act like a man. They say one thing to the face and another behind their back You save them, and they are like this KALOSHI.

And, I'm talking about it. It would be better if this Sorosenkovskiy town nidysh did not touch the Russian army. Otherwise, he will bring himself into trouble.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: knn54

And how many civilians have died do not want to tell?

93 people died in our country, the Armenians claim the loss of 42 people ..... uh, Armenians

[skif8013]

Quote: knn54

And how many civilians have died do not want to tell?

History is silent about this. Yes, they are still dying, but only the entire European (gay) community does not give a shit.

[OgnennyiKotik]

List of confirmed (photo / video) losses of the NKR and Armenian armies:

1) Tanks - 243 units. (of which 97 units were captured as trophies)
2) Armored combat vehicles - 77 units. (of which 51 units were captured as trophies)
3) Infantry fighting vehicles - 76 units. (of which 46 were captured as trophies)
4) Self-propelled anti-tank systems - 17 units. (of which 13 were captured as trophies)
5) Towed artillery - 228 units. (of which 90 were captured as trophies)
6) Self-propelled artillery - 25 units. (of which 7 were captured as trophies)
7) Multiple launch rocket systems - 77 units. (of which 4 were captured as trophies)
8) OTRK - 1 unit. - P-17 "Scud-B"
9) Mortars - 49 units. (of which 45 were captured as trophies)
10) ATGM - 113 units. captured as trophies
11) MANPADS - 5 units. Igla-S captured as trophies
ZSU-23-4 Shilka - 7 units.
12) Anti-aircraft missile systems - 34 units. :
3 units - 9K35 "Strela-10"
18 units - "Wasp" ("Wasp-AKM")
3 units - 2K12 "Cube"
5 units - PU S-300PS
1 unit - a machine from the S-300 complex
1 unit - Tor-M2KM
3 unit - 2K12 Circle
13) radar - 15 units. :
2 units - P-18 / M
4 units - 36D6 (for S-300)
1 unit - SNR-125 (for S-125)
2 units - 5N63S (for S-300)
1 unit - 19Ж6 (for S-300)
1 unit - 1S32 (for 2K11 "Circle")
2 unit - 1S91 (for 2K12 "Cube")
1 unit - R-15
1 unit - R-19
14) Electronic warfare / REP machines - 3 units. :
1 unit - R-330P "Pyramid-1"
2 unit - Repellent-1
15) Aviation - 1 unit. - Su-25K
1 unit - Mi-8
16) UAV - 4 units.
17) False targets - 2 units. (Wasps)
18) Trucks, SUVs, cars - 632 units. (of which 332 were captured as trophies)

You can see the photos and screenshots here: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

[primala]

Let me clarify. Are you personally on the front line ??? Where did the numbers come from?

[OgnennyiKotik]

It's written. Especially from photos and videos.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

You can see the photos and screenshots here: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

[Vladimir_2U]

In general, there are probably re-recorded as destroyed: filmed from different angles at different times, some are shown in the recording before being hit, and then in the photo later. This is not unusual, even if pure propaganda is not taken into account.

[NIKN]

I don’t know what was filmed and where (too much equipment), well, in my opinion. Well here's an interesting point

73 Unknown T-72:

And went to enumerate what the unknown means? It is not known whose or it is not known what kind of T-72? No experts to identify?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: NIKNN

And went to enumerate what the unknown means? It is not known whose or it is not known what kind of T-72? No experts to identify?

Determine which modification this T-72 is all in attention (the wrecked tank of Armenians)

[NIKN]

There are captured in this category, look. Hence the question. I'm not an expert on anyone. A specialist, a tanker, even from this photo, will determine, even here on VO.

[OgnennyiKotik]

This site is made (if I am not mistaken) by North Koreans, according to which they have. Aliyev called the losses of the Armenians in tanks 283 pieces (366 together with captured ones). The fact that 40% of them are on the account of the Bayraktar is quite believable.

Before the war, the number of NKR tanks was estimated at 371 units (excluding the tanks of the Republic of Armenia). By the end of the war, there was information that there were practically none left, a couple of dozen were not recruited.

As if the data converges.

[NIKN]

Directly "Kursk Bulge" of some kind.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Infernal losses. In contrast, the UK is reducing the number of Challenger tanks from 227 to 148.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Infernal losses. In contrast, the UK is reducing the number of Challenger tanks from 227 to 148.

Well, comparing the Challenger with the tanks of the Armenians is somehow not true with everything. Azerbaijan also has T-72s, but they have undergone a deep modernization. And most of the Armenian T-72 tanks did not even have reactive armor. Here I would say 1 challenge is equal to 3 at least Armenian T-72 tanks. The photo shows a captured Armenian tank. So what? Naked.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Well, comparing the Challenger with the tanks of the Armenians is somehow not true with everything.

In fact, it makes no difference. Just boxes in the sight of the operator Bayraktar or Spike. Only KAZ can improve the situation a little.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Infernal losses. In contrast, the UK is reducing the number of Challenger tanks from 227 to 148.

They don't need them at all. Well, except for museums. And what about other combat vehicles!? Quite serious experts are even talking about changing the concept of war! And the need to change military doctrines. That it was the Turks who did this, there is nothing surprising in this. Starting from Attila and Mete, and this is the 5th and 3rd centuries respectively, the Turks throughout the continent from Mongolia to Rome waged countless wars with troops in huge numbers.

[Terenin]

Quote: NIKNN

Directly "Kursk Bulge" of some kind.

Not otherwise, according to the new scenario "Saving Private Ryan -2". They won the whole WWII.

[poquello]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The fact that 40% of them are on the account of the Bayraktar is quite believable.

)))))))))))
as if the button accordion is big and brilliant, the bulk of it was destroyed by artillery, well, if you count the aiming as in hockey for + pass, then yeah

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Before the war, the number of NKR tanks was estimated at 371 units (excluding the tanks of the Republic of Armenia).

Before the war, is it in 2009?
in 2009 the NKR had 371 tanks Schmidt H.-J. Military Confidence Building and Arms Control in Unresolved Territorial Conflicts // PRIF Reports No. 89. Frankfurt am Main, 2009. P. 12.
Or in 2016?
in 2016 there were 200-300 units. Institute for Strategic Studies. The Military Balance 2016. - P. 181. - ISBN 978-1-85743-835-2.
Or in 2020?
armored forces of the NKR total 322 units of MBT T-72 and medium tanks T-55,
The Azerbaijani side insists on the following figures for arming the army of the harrow of Nagorno-Karabakh. Tanks - 253
https://proza.ru/2020/10/03/1707

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: NIKNN

And went to enumerate what the unknown means? It is not known whose or it is not known what kind of T-72? No experts to identify?

Determine which modification this T-72 is all in attention (the wrecked tank of Armenians)

Nuuuu, there is nothing easier than this. ..... Abrahams! guess right? not! then the Challenger. again no ?! well then, definitely an Israeli, Merkava 7

[Rageee]

Surely what Azerbaijan showed in its videos is, at best, only half of their effective strikes, it is impossible to record every hit in such an intense war, isn't it?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Rageee

Surely what Azerbaijan showed in its videos is, at best, only half of their effective strikes, it is impossible to record every hit in such an intense war, isn't it?

As far as I know, the drones flew in pairs. Always some kind of drone filmed and gave tips. Of course, you certainly cannot fix everything, but a lot has been recorded. Also, I do not exclude that there are recordings classified as secret, the Israeli side, they do not really like to be advertised, perhaps they also have hidden videos. And so the drone is filming from the moment of departure until its return or until destruction.

As far as I have heard, quite a few Armenian tanks were destroyed from Spikes, which showed themselves brilliantly !!! They say this weapon is so accurate that the missile was planted directly into the open hatch. I've personally seen a couple of these videos.

[xorek]

Quote: primaala

Let me clarify. Are you personally on the front line ??? Where did the numbers come from?

The Israeli satellites provided .. They were supplying them with UAVs, etc. Here they have reported, like buy, but already for a triple price.)))

[Terenin]

Quote: xorek

Here they reported, like buy, but for a triple price.)))

No, Vitaliy , Jews in trade cannot cheat
Especially strangers

[xorek]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: xorek

Here they reported, like buy, but for a triple price.)))

No, Vitaliy , Jews in trade cannot cheat
Especially strangers

So yes .. Honesty itself "We Uskie do not deceive the arcs of the arc!"

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: primaala

Let me clarify. Are you personally on the front line ??? Where did the numbers come from?

Alla, it would be better to cook BORSCH or pancakes than to write that. There is one site called Lostarmor. Write the date of the beginning of the war and the end, and they will lay out the full information there, who, where, how much, photo report, video report, satellite report and coordinates. And if you have time, read here in detail everything how it happened from the first days

https://lostarmour.info/articles/pervye-dni-vtoroy-voyny-karabah-2020/

[Professor]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

List of confirmed (photo / video) losses of the NKR and Armenian armies:


You can see the photos and screenshots here: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

Now they will tell you that all this is Hollywood and Photoshop.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

Now they will tell you that all this is Hollywood and Photoshop.

And why photoshop, just a few frames from different sources and at different times, but one machine. It is not for the Azerbadzans to teach the Israelis in this.

The Syrians soon evacuated the wounded cars themselves, except for the head one, which remained in the no-man's land. Apparently, it was her photographs that were full of Western media in those days. A careful study of various sources, links and memories allows us to assert that 11-12 T-72 tanks were lost in Lebanon.

https://topwar.ru/1230-boj-kotorogo-ne-bylo.html

[Professor]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And why photoshop, just a few frames from different sources and at different times, but one machine.

The problem is that the background in these photos and videos is different. It turns out photoshop,

Quote: Vladimir_2U

It is not for the Azeri people to teach the Israelis in this.

Well yes. Both those and these liberated their lands, and the losers are still chewing snot.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

The problem is that the background in these photos and videos is different. It turns out photoshop,

So it is that a video with such quality and angle allows you to take a high-quality photo from a different angle and designate it as another car, without any f-shop., But keep pretending that this has never happened, and never will be.

[Professor]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: professor

The problem is that the background in these photos and videos is different. It turns out photoshop,

So it is that a video with such quality and angle allows you to take a high-quality photo from a different angle and designate it as another car, without any f-shop., But keep pretending that this has never happened, and never will be.

Well yes. Another problem is that the photo was taken from the video. There is a video, CEP. It shows both the background and the signs of technology and the foreshortening. How to be?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

There is a video, CEP. It shows both the background and the signs of technology and the foreshortening. How to be?

Well, try to tie these images to the terrain and determine the "signs of technology", but the word angle seems to you do not know

And there are a lot of such screenshots from the video, but there are very few attachments of screenshots to photos, about the following:

[Professor]

Now show the same tanks from a different angle, supposedly passed off as other tanks.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

Now show the same tanks from a different angle, allegedly issued for other tanks

Yes, please: This is a screenshot of the video from the ammunition before the defeat

And this is a few days after the defeat:

or that, a few days after the defeat.

Here's the simplest example, when a photo from a certain angle can be tied to a lousy screen.

Both the screen and the photo show different tanks, or maybe not, it is impossible to determine.

[Professor]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Yes please:

Where exactly?
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

Where exactly?
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

Don’t mow under the fool
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html
https://i.postimg.cc/NfB0jCCv/Screenshot-525.png
Here is the link, what will it give you? And the rest of the links from the same site, what's the point to you from them.

[Professor]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: professor

Where exactly?
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

Don’t mow under the fool
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html
https://i.postimg.cc/NfB0jCCv/Screenshot-525.png
Here is the link, what will it give you? And the rest of the links from the same site, what's the point to you from them.

How will that give? It was through this link that we came to the conclusion about the losses of Armenia, and not according to the photos you posted. So, where in this link is the same technique from different angles? Well, at least one such tank?
Until we find a double, we will assume that it does not exist and the numbers are correct.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

It was through this link that we came to the conclusion about the losses of Armenia, and not according to the photos you posted. So, where in this link is the same technique from different angles? Well, at least one such tank?

Well, it is, you have sharply cut down like a fool. All the photos that I brought from this link are
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html



T-72A (19 destroyed)

T-72A (25 destroyed)

T-72A (33, destroyed by loitering munition)

Now prove that this is not the same tank, just filmed at different times, from different angles and different lenses.

[Professor]

It's elementary. Tank 19 without a turret, and tank 25 with a turret. Have they stolen your tower for scrap?
Tank 33 has camouflage, tank 25 clearly shows the lack of camouflage. Was it finished, that is, washed off?

As you can see, these are 3 different tanks. Are there more doubles?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

Tank 19 without a turret, and tank 25 with a turret

And what prevents both tank 19 and tank 25 from not being related to tank 33? Nothing.

Quote: professor

Tank 33 has camouflage, tank 25 clearly shows the lack of camouflage. Was it finished, that is, washed off?

Are there any complaints about tank 19? The fact that tank 25 was on fire and already turned red from the fire is considered to be the reason for the camouflage paint burnout?

Quote: professor

As you can see, these are 3 different tanks. Are there more doubles?

But no, tanks like 19 and 25 quite easily fit tank 33, moreover, from tank 25 it is easy, using the additional detonation method, to make tank 19, (well, this is already based on conspiracy theory) ... Because the location and angle of the photo and the color of the tanks does not allow us to clearly distinguish 19 and 25 from the still unaffected 33.

[Professor]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And what prevents both tank 19 and tank 25 from not being related to tank 33? Nothing.

Does the presence of camouflage bother you? And it bothers me that one tank has it, but the other one is gone. Digital camouflage is obtained.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Are there any complaints about tank 19? The fact that tank 25 was on fire and already turned red from the fire is considered to be the reason for the camouflage paint burnout?

Where did the camouflage go on the cans covering the tracks? There was nothing to burn there.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But no, tanks like 19 and 25 quite easily fit tank 33, moreover, it is easy to make tank 25 from tank 19, using additional detonation, (well, this is already based on conspiracy theory). Because the location and angle of the photo and the color of the tanks does not allow us to clearly distinguish 19 and 25 from the still unaffected 33.

And you can not additionally undermine, but melt them into new tanks, then they will be indistinguishable. So? And until they are melted down, they remain completely different three tanks.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: professor

Well yes. Both those and these liberated their lands, and the losers are still chewing snot.

Do not blaspheme the professor. When did the Gollans "always" belong to Israeli Jews and were "theirs"?
Better from sin, give them back to the working people of SAR ...

[Professor]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: professor

Well yes. Both those and these liberated their lands, and the losers are still chewing snot.

Do not blaspheme the professor. When did the Gollans "always" belong to Israeli Jews and were "theirs"?
Better from sin, give them back to the working people of SAR ...

Let's give it back. As soon as the Arabs come up with an Arabic name for the Golan and remember the name of at least one Arab city in the Golan.

[OgnennyiKotik]

List of confirmed (photo / video) losses of the Azerbaijani army:

1) Tanks - 51 units.
2) Armored combat vehicles - 23 units.
3) Infantry fighting vehicles - 54 units:
4) Mortars - 1 units.
5) Aviation - 1 unit. - Mi-8/17, 1 unit - Su-25
6) UAV - 36 units.
11 units - AN-2
11 units - IAI Harop (UAV-kamikaze)
3 units - SkyStriker (uav-kamikaze)
1 unit - Orbiter 1K (uav-kamikaze)
2 units - Bayraktar TB2 (percussion)
8 units - unidentified UAVs
7) Wheeled vehicles, MRAP, transport vehicles - 55 units,
8) MLRS - 2 unit. (KRL 122)

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

You can see the photos and screenshots here: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

There is an excellent site where you can completely find everything you need. With facts

https://lostarmour.info/articles/pervye-dni-vtoroy-voyny-karabah-2020/

[rocket757]

There is no point in discussing this ...

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

There is no point in discussing this ...

But they want it so much ..

[rocket757]

Let them, then why.

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

Let them, then why.

This is all then Viktor can move to Russia! They are here now sniffing, etc. Feel like "exceptional" too .. You need to stop this right away!

[rocket757]

You won't be able to disbelieve a lot of spiritualized ones ...
Those who are supposed to understand everything correctly and cherish their necks above everything else.
The risk, they will lose their tail, up to their ears, the only thing that holds them back now, always ...

[Vasyan1971]

Advertising is the engine of trade.

[Rageee]

yes, the entire recent Karabakh war was a continuous advertisement for Turkish and Israeli drones

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Rageee

yes, the entire recent Karabakh war was a continuous advertisement for Turkish and Israeli drones

It's right. Their charms were described with such passion, sighs, moans, straight technoporno.

[Rageee]

Well, the content was of high quality ... I myself, without knowing it, got hooked on it and monitored the YouTube channel of Azerbaijan’s Ministry of Defense in anticipation of new videos .. it sounds blasphemous, but that is what it is.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Rageee

well, the content was high-quality

It seems to me that 90% of the decree is in good luck, as well as with the videos of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense. Low-quality content will not hawk people.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Rageee

yes, the entire recent Karabakh war was a continuous advertisement for Turkish and Israeli drones

and what could be better than such advertising?

[Brturin]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Advertising - engine

So here there is an information confrontation - on the video with Lancet, the Turks are posting a video where a heavy reconnaissance and strike drone AKINCI destroys a target similar to the Shell ... but in reality Bayraktar have not encountered in a modern air defense system ... There is such news ...
A few hours ago, five Bayraktar TB2 Turkish attack reconnaissance drones appeared in the sky over northern Syria, contrary to the existing agreements with Russia on Syria. In response to such actions of the Turkish military, Russia immediately sent Ankara a "response", deafening all drones with its electronic warfare means, as evidenced by the broadcast codes for the loss of communication and the disrupted operation of the global positioning of GPS.
https://avia.pro/news/rossiya-oglushila-v-nebe-nad-siriey-srazu-pyat-tureckih-bayraktarov

[Hermit21]

Avia.pro khokhlyatskaya garbage dump, where to get news from - bad manners in a decent society

[Zaurbek]

Here it is better to take a shovel and work on the construction site yourself. And do not be clever. The Russian Federation voluntarily delivers them ... people work and do not claim social benefits. They pay for everything.

[primala]

Quote: Zaurbek

Here it is better to take a shovel and work on the construction site yourself. And do not be clever. The Russian Federation voluntarily delivers them ... people work and do not claim social benefits. They pay for everything.

If a PERSON came to live and work in Russia - MUST work CLEARLY.
The social package is required by the LAW - CITIZENS of the Russian Federation. If cunning businessmen think otherwise (I will not voice the name), then let them bear responsibility !!!

[Zaurbek]

If you live ..... then yes ..... if you work and leave, then he does not owe anything to anyone.

[lucul]

Here it is better to take a shovel and work on the construction site yourself. And do not be clever. The Russian Federation voluntarily delivers them ... people work and do not claim social benefits. They pay for everything.

In Belarus, people themselves take a shovel and work at a construction site, and we have no residents of Central Asia or the Caucasus at construction sites.

[Zaurbek]

It works for you ..... it works somewhere on the outskirts of the Russian Federation. Even here in the Kuban ..... but in the center the product will be "golden". And in the North, citizens of the Russian Federation have to pay in full with allowances and northern ... and pensions. And even state-owned companies import migrants.

[Novichek]

Do not worry, in his own language he will make more words than you do. Based on not knowing any language, do you think it is enough to consider a person a ram? And you, for example, how well do you speak Uzbek, for example, or Tajik, Azerbaijani?

[Essex62]

Based on the Great Russian "chauvinism". Does such a definition of liberd give? Russians are not just the titular nation, the nation of the true masters of the Russian land. So, at least it should be. Internationalism is correct and healthy, but the Russian land and the Russians are the main ones on it. And kind, let others live.
Only the bourgeois don't care about the interests of the Russians. Margin, margin, margin. At any cost. Finish the game, it will be like a gamerope. Sit on the neck. We will feed without any return.

[Zaurbek]

So in Chechnya, Chechens are local aborigines. And the authorities there acted differently and it depends only on it. And there is one policy under the tsar, under Lenin, another, under Stalin, the third, after - the fourth ... under Yeltsin, the fifth, now the sixth.

[Terenin]

Quote: Do Ger

In Russia, not all the land is Russian,
if anything.
There are no Russians in Chechnya at all.
The hosts ...

And who said that the analogue of Stalin I.V. no longer?
And, by the way, the Russian population of Chechnya, according to the 2010 census, is 24,3 thousand people.

[Zaurbek]

And the Tsar somehow solved the issues there ...... if the natives see that Moscow is stealing .... why can't they?

[Rita Aletdinova 1999]

All nations are equal! Do not put the Russians above other nations in the Russian Federation!

[primala]

Quote: Novichek)

Do not worry, in his own language he will make more words than you do. Based on not knowing any language, do you think it is enough to consider a person a ram? And you, for example, how well do you speak Uzbek, for example, or Tajik, Azerbaijani?

It is difficult to understand WHOM the answer is (due to the "design" of the site). And if you unsubscribed to my comment ... I will answer: I do not LEZU with my samovar. And if I had to, I would RESPECT TRADITIONS and would definitely learn the language of this or that nation. I DO NOT want to feel flawed in MY country. And I also WANT that my children and grandchildren feel free without TENSIONING. You DO NOT know the STATISTICS of crimes from persons of the CIS. If I write, your hair will stand on end. And don't you dare tell me what to write. If you like ... I can also leave the VO site.
And believe me, (if you are a true Russian), I WILL NOT write in vain. (your opinion).
Give it ... so that ANYONE does NOT touch .......
I do not care about tolerance !!! Is it clear now!? Sorry for the emotions.

[Zaurbek]

And they do not care about tolerance. The man worked 12-14 hours, received money for it (if not thrown) and went to think what he wanted. If you have not broken the law - well done. Violated - to prison. They have no blat.

[primala]

Quote: Zaurbek

And they do not care about tolerance. The man worked 12-14 hours, received money for it (if not thrown) and went to think what he wanted. If you have not broken the law - well done. Violated - to prison. They have no blat.

It shouldn't be that someone threw someone. Everything should be according to the Law.
This is what we are talking about. And when we talk about tolerance, first of all, we are talking about respect.
Not one-sided ...

[Zaurbek]

Citizens of the Russian Federation are thrown in those areas ..... now there are fewer. But migrant workers are valuable because you are guaranteed to have 100 (for example) workers per day ....... but not qualified ...



The scheme with our normal workers for normal money does not fall into financial realities ... as in any other country.

[Rita Aletdinova 1999]

In this case, no one will show tolerance to you either. Start to respect people and there will be no problems.

[Zaurbek]

Collective farmers are coming to us ... with the appropriate mentality. They did not speak Russian even under the USSR.

[Professor]

Quote: primaala

I am more and more convinced: "The savages, descending from the mountains, not only do not know the alphabet, but in fact what is happening. They are leading a herd of rams ... dumb-headed rams and are being led (without asking).
Today I had to call a taxi. (can hardly speak Russian). While we were driving, we started talking about BV.
And what do you think !? this BARAN (bellowing) believes in the sincerity of the actions of Islamic radicals.
I tried to tell me what the PE is going on (an ignoramus would have cracked it on the forehead).
And what saddens ... these mountain "deer" cannot connect two words, but they famously spread false information - how their poor and unfortunate are oppressed all over the world.
Why!? .. and to that !!! It's time to understand !!! THESE savages must be specifically set by the LAW.
If you don't know Russian, it's no fucking thing to do in my country, Russia.
Feeding... We give you the opportunity to earn. I personally observe how workers from the CIS are cherished, do you think THEY are grateful !? Fig !!! If I had not appealed with facts, events, this elk could continue to talk nonsense. And there was a young guy sitting next to me (in a taxi).
And who can argue that we need propaganda in favor of Russia ???

Breadwinner, why won't you get behind the wheel of a taxi or go to a construction site?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: professor

Breadwinner, why won't you get behind the wheel of a taxi or go to a construction site?

Bravo!!! who shot this film, he is great! screenwriter and director. Bravo!

[lucul]

Breadwinner, why won't you get behind the wheel of a taxi or go to a construction site?

Here, in Belarus, and at construction sites and in taxis, some Belarusians work for some reason)))
Do you know why? )))

[Professor]

Quote: lucul

Breadwinner, why won't you get behind the wheel of a taxi or go to a construction site?

Here, in Belarus, and at construction sites and in taxis, some Belarusians work for some reason)))
Do you know why? )))

why?

[zlinn]

just like that, Proofesor, just like that, and they also made you minuses ...

[Novichek]

Well, God be with them, migrants, let's simplify the task: there are enough indigenous peoples living in Russia, quite to themselves, so perfect knowledge of the language of which of the following peoples can you boast of? Mordovian, Chuvash, Yakut, Mari, Even, Nenets, Lezghin, Avar ...? The list goes on ...

[zlinn]

let me hug you

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: I read it carefully. I ask from now on all VO writers to respect the Russian language at least once!

[huntsman650]

I think there are very, very few of them so far!

[Zaurbek]

Do you have an understanding that they do not exist? ..... Russia is one step behind Turkey. There is more precise production, in the processing plant there is a pilot plant and the plant is being built. This is 1-2 years. But the Russian Federation has all the components localized (this is also the time), while the Turks have not yet. They are doing this too.

[El Chuvachino]

Do not feed the troll.

[Rageee]

only now the author omits the point that, unlike the empty bravado of Armenia, Azerbaijan backed up its numerous successes with photo and video evidence (there were a lot of videos on the network, how dozens of tanks and other equipment of the Armenian forces were amazed from bayraktar ammunition mam-l \ s, so that these figures in the article do not look so fantastic as the author wants to present it) .And from the Armenian side during the whole war there were only a few videos of the defeat of tanks from ATGMs and the shooting down of unmanned An-2 unmanned aerial vehicles ..

[Zaurbek]

Azerbaijan won the war. And it was only a matter of time if you look at the country's potential and compare it with Armenia. Human, industrial, financial ...

[Hermit21]

So Azerbaijan did not fight with Armenia, but with the Karabakh militias. The Armed Forces of Armenia almost did not participate there

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Hermit21

So Azerbaijan did not fight with Armenia, but with the Karabakh militias.

Stop lying!!!! How long can you chant the same false mantra? Do you want to say that all the citizens of a certain Karabakh are buried in Armenia? Azerbaijan destroyed the Armenian army in addition to the so-called Karabakh army. Stop lying. I can post a million videos of how the Armenians curse the Karabakh Armenians that because of them so many guys from Armenia died.

[Hermit21]

Azerbaijan destroyed the Armenian army in addition

Does the Armenian army know about this?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Hermit21

Does the Armenian army know about this?

Not only the Armenian army knows, but they themselves admit it.

[Zaurbek]

It makes no difference ...... they returned their territories .... and defeated the NKR.
With whom is Ukraine fighting according to their understanding in the Donbass?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Rageee

Azerbaijan supported its numerous successes with photo and video evidence

More than 2 hours without repeating ... Operation of Israeli and Turkish drones.

[Rita Aletdinova 1999]

For the sake of justice, Azerbaijan also threw a bunch of fakes then and it was sorted out.

[brr1]

And they decided to keep silent about the AUG destroyed in Sevan? Here are the shy ones.

[Tagan]

Quote: -Mac-

Where are the Russian drones? There are cartoons and drones de?

Ask the barmaleev. They have been unwittingly participating in trials (on their own skin) for several years already.

[Vladislav Trofimov]

Ask the barmaleev. They have been unwittingly participating in trials (on their own skin) for several years already.

Since the beginning of 2016, seventy Russian unmanned aerial vehicles have been used in Syria, including:

UAV "Forpost" [66];
UAV Orlan 10 [68];
UAV Eleron-3 [69];
UAV "Pchela-1T" [67];
UAV "Dozor-100" [70];
UAV "Orion" [71].
Russian UAVs are used for reconnaissance and situation control purposes.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Ukrainians now hold this picture like an icon. Even on Easter they say not Christ is Risen, but Bayraktar is with us ...

[babylon]

Armenia probably had so many armored vehicles compared to how many destroyed

[Zaurbek]

They beat a lot and won the war ... and the history is written by the winner. And let the Armenians further improve democracy

[voyaka uh]

The Karabakh war will be included in textbooks.
Massive use of the latest unmanned vehicles.
Complete rout of the regular army from the air.

[Zaurbek]

Comrade Zhukov also wrote about air supremacy and how its absence turns out ...

[Essex62]

So before that it was the same, literally the other day. Iraq and Yugoslavia. Nothing new. And the Jews in general, in recent years, unpunished airstrikes have been made absolute. Something not reactive, but with a good set of barrels, such as A-1 and cranks to all drones, if they are not covered by long-range air defense.

[Tagan]

Quote: Vladislav Trofimov

Russian UAVs are used for reconnaissance and situation control purposes.

Not just intelligence and control.
As one example, during the hostilities in Syria, the Kalashnikov Concern's strike drones were tested.

[tarakan]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Kaman

There were dozens of videos with the destruction of Armenian tanks alone, so these data are close to the truth ...

There are several dozen videos, and they claim 114 out of 146 destroyed ... what were other weapons systems doing then?

Destroyed the remaining 1238 tanks and 387757 infantry

[Hermit21]

Of them really destroyed, God forbid, 10 percent. Even the cumulative version of the bomb does not guarantee destruction, and the PF tank with the hatches tightened in general to one place

[Konnick]

, and the PF tank with the hatches tightened in general to one place

You are deeply mistaken, a good HE hitting nearby, such as a 152mm projectile, can turn a tank, a simple HE will destroy all observation devices, it can disrupt the engine from its supports. And hitting the HE from above into the engine compartment destroys the tank.

[Hermit21]

a good HE hitting nearby, such as a 152mm round, can turn a tank

Are there documentary cases? A 152-mm OFS and a 22-kg bomb - the same in terms of the destructive effect?

a simple HE will destroy all observation devices

Which are in the spare parts. If the tank, of course, is properly equipped. But in any case, this is not annihilation.

can knock the engine off its supports

22-kg bomb - can't.

And hitting the HE from above into the engine compartment destroys the tank

How so?

[Zaurbek]

It depends on which OF .... depends on the hull ..... thin-walled UAVs are hung mainly ..... and for tanks there are cumulative ones ... any one will break through any tank from above.

[tech3030]

Didn't bayraktar fly to the moon?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The success of Turkish UAVs in Karabakh is not the result of their unique characteristics, but the result of Pashinyan's betrayal.

Having modern air defense in the form of BUKs, TORs and Su-30s, Pashinyan deliberately sent old air defense systems - wasps to protect Karabakh, which could not get these UAVs, which means that the ground forces in fact did not have any protection from air strikes.

Pashinyan gave up the army of Karabakh and the Armenian volunteers for slaughter, in order to then drag Armenia into the EU and NATO.

Shame on the Armenians who sold their people in Karabakh for the promise of a sweet life.

Honor and glory to all the defenders of Karabakh, who fought for their land, being doomed to death and defeat.

And where there are modern air defense systems for Turkish and other UAVs, nothing shines, as in Syrian Idlib.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

but the result of Pashinyan's betrayal.

how is his betrayal expressed?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Having modern air defense

Their "" "" "" modern "" "" "" air defense, maize was identified and covered.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Torah

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Su-30

Are you sure that Sushki will be able to operate there with impunity, taking into account the air defense of Azerbaijan?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Pashinyan gave up the army of Karabakh and Armenian volunteers for slaughter

You're lying and very impudent! What other volunteers? There is an Armenian army and they have mercenaries from Europe to Russia. And most importantly, they had deserters not a hundred or a thousand, but tens of thousands, and they themselves confirmed this. There is no need to tell fables here that the Azerbaijani army allegedly fought only with a SOME army of Karabakh. Who served in Karabakh on the part of the Armenians and who fought against Azerbaijanis 90% are citizens of Armenia + HEREORS from the Middle East and Europe. A lot of facts. There is no need to write disinformation here.

Next, what other slaughter? I do not care about Pashinyan, but before the war he told his people that Serzh Sargsyan was ready to give up the land, tell me, what they said to all the people not an inch of land ... we will drink tea in Baku if there is a war. And Armenian Defense Minister Tonoyan was already preparing to seize Baku on tanks. And it was after this that Pashinyan said just like this, KARABAKH IS ARMENIA AND A POINT. I am not making excuses for him, but telling the facts. And now everyone decided to find the last one. Armenia without Russia will not be able to cope with Azerbaijan, even with Burkina Faso. Armenia held out thanks to Russia. POINT!

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Honor and glory to all the defenders of Karabakh, who fought for their land, being doomed to death and defeat.

What are you talking about))))))))))) honor gloryaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) They didn’t even recognize her, and you are a sofa expert as I see you doing everything for them.

GLORY TO AZERBAIJAN AND ITS SONS WHICH DRIVEN OCCUPANTS FROM THEIR LANDS.

You are writing to the defenders of Karabakh. Do you even understand that the word even Karabakh has an Azerbaijani semantic translation ?????????????? You say the same thing that Glory to the German soldiers who liberated Ulyanovsk or Volgograd.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

how is his betrayal expressed?

The fact that Pashinyan, following the order of the West - to cut the connection between Armenia and Russia, gave Karabakh to Azerbaijan. I gave it on purpose.

During the entire war, Azerbaijan destroyed only one modern air defense system of Armenia - this is the TOP-2MKM, and it was brought into action in the last days of the war, when the outcome was already obvious, Pashinyan and his team did it only so that the surrender of Karabakh was not so obvious. The rest of the time, the army of Nagorno-Karabakh had no opportunity to resist the Bayraktar.

All the other videos show old rubbish which, with all the desire, could not reach Bayraktar.

The Armenians showed the downed Bayraktars at the very end of the war, I suppose that they were all shot down by the only TOR that subsequently destroyed Azerbaijan.

And judging by the massive attack from all sides, this TOP drank a lot of blood from Azerbaijan, it was simply figured out and destroyed. Nobody covered him, so he didn't have a chance either, but we must pay tribute to him growing and fulfilling his duty with honor.

Using TORs and BUKs at the very beginning of the war, the border of Karabakh would not budge.

And the Su-30 allows you to view the airspace for more than 100 km and there were cases when these planes detected and destroyed air probes, not to mention the UAV of the size of Bayraktar and the missiles on the Su-30, the Armenians also have. But they didn't even take off, even for reconnaissance.

Su-30 could shoot down Bayraktars over Karabakh directly from the airspace of Armenia, where Azerbaijan simply did not get them.

And it is not necessary to take Pashinyan's words for pure manners, he is a traitor, he deliberately created the conditions for war by going to the conflict in Aliyev and at the same time bleeding the armed forces of Nagorno-Karabakh making them vulnerable from the air.

That is, Pashinyan did everything for the war to start and for Armenia to lose it.

The Germans never lived in Volgograd and there is no need to drag it in here. Armenians have lived in Nagorno-Karabakh for hundreds of years and rightfully consider this land to be their native land.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

During the entire war, Azerbaijan destroyed only one modern air defense system of Armenia - this is the TOP-2MKM

There is a video of the destruction of 1 Thor, do not confuse.

Aliyev speaks about 5 killed.

Here is what the former secretary of the Security Council of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Samvel Babayan says:

Quote:
“There were no weapons. The air defense was at zero. There were 6 TOPs, of which 4 were destroyed in the first 15 days. Then they sent 4 more, which can provide a maximum of 45 km. Out of 6 BUK installations - 5 were inoperative, a repair team was awaiting from Moscow in order to get it into use by the 10th. "

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Su-30 could shoot down Bayraktars over Karabakh directly from the airspace of Armenia, where Azerbaijan simply did not get them.

At the time of takeoff, the Su-30s were taken to be escorted by the Turkish Avaks, further that they would be knocked down by the issue of choosing Azerbaijan S-300PMU2, Barak-8, MiG-29, F-16. Everyone understood this, so Sushki were transferred to Gyumri under the control of our troops.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

There is a video of the destruction of 1 Thor.
Aliyev speaks about 5 killed.

You can say anything, but there is nothing but one single video of the destruction of one TOP, and it appeared at the very end of the war.

If the TORs were affected at the beginning of the war, Azerbaijan would immediately publish it.

It would be practically impossible for Azerbaijan to shoot down the Su-30 if they operated from the airspace of Armenia.

Just because the Su-30 could attack Azerbaijan from a long range, these launches would have been detected in advance and the Su-30 would have easily evaded such an attack.

The recent conflict between India and Pakistan has clearly shown that the speed and maneuverability of the Su-30 allows them to evade even AIM-120 missiles fired at them.

And Bayraktar will not be able to howl to escape from the missile fired at him, he is too slow-moving.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

If the TORs were affected at the beginning of the war, Azerbaijan would immediately publish it.

The video is already a mockery. Harpies, artillery, MLRS will cope with this task many times more efficiently, without video. It is enough with the RER systems to calculate the approximate position of the air defense missile system.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

It would be practically impossible for Azerbaijan to shoot down the Su-30 if they operated from the airspace of Armenia.

Oh well. Look at the map. All Armenia is in full view, there is nowhere to go there. Everything is under fire from the Nakhichevan region and the main part of Azerbaijan, especially in the zone close to the NKR, where the distance is generally less than 50 km. Gyumri is the farthest point, the Russian base is an ideal place to preserve the Su-30.

As soon as the first missile leaves at Bayraktar, it means that the Su-30 can be shot down. Because she opened fire on the aircraft of Azerbaijan, in the airspace of Azerbaijan. The fact that the Su-30 would have been shot down does not cause even the slightest doubt, and this is a severe blow to the image of these aircraft.
Russia could not allow this to happen. Then the raving about the lack of missiles just started. They were, they were practiced in exercises, there is a photo.

[Konnick]

One can argue about the number of tanks, but one thing must be noted undoubtedly - the war by Azerbaijan was conducted according to new tactics and which showed an advantage against the stereotyped use of combat manuals. We can say they showed a creative approach and ingenuity, for example, with the An-2, which served as a bait for the Armenian air defense. It's just a new level of fighting, the beginning of a new era.

[Shiden]

Bravo, at least one commentator wrote logically and concisely the results of the war. These should be comments and not draw by the ears any excuses and policies that experts say about zomboyaschiku grief. But alas, there are few such comments, mostly a verbal trash heap.

[And Us Rat]

Pure oriental bragging. Tales of 1001 nights. There it is the norm.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Strange as it may seem, but everything fits together in numbers.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Strange as it may seem, but everything fits together in numbers.

Do you have data from neutral observers? The numbers may account for an indefinite number of non-combat casualties.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Yes, above in the comments I threw off the layout of the losses of Azerbaijan and Armenia made purely from photo / video (original source https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html)

Let's check the tanks.
Before the war, the NKR had 371 tanks, without the Armenian Republic.
At the end of the war, there was information (employees of ANNA NEWS) that the NKR would not have two dozen tanks for warfare.
According to the photo / video, the losses of tanks were calculated in the amount of 243 units. (of which 97 units were captured as trophies)
Aliyev said: Tanks - 287 were destroyed, 79 were taken as trophies, a total of 366 tanks.

I do not observe any fundamental contradictions. Naturally, not all the tanks were in the photo / video, the classification of trophies or a wrecked tank is conditional and cannot be guessed from the screenshots. And in any case, the numbers are more than the indicated 114 tanks destroyed with the help of Bayraktars.

[Evil 55]

State-level dreamers are the great storytellers of our time ..

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Angry 55

State-level dreamers are the great storytellers of our time ..

Dear sofa "expert," before you talk nonsense about the fact that someone is a storyteller and who is not, have you tried to check the information? If there is an influential site where photos and videos and coordinates and a map and satellite images are posted, some facts are there to check?

[501 Legion]

ostentatious, just to sell her. if the Armenians considered Karabakh their territory, then they would saturate it with troops and no one would lose, and so they played in the militia in the end and before they took up arms

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: 501Legion

if the Armenians considered Karabakh their territory, then they would saturate it with troops and no one would have lost, and so they played in the militia in the end and were up in arms

another sofa expert.
The population of Karabakh before the war was a little over 100k. Reading from there old people, women, children, invalids. How much is left? And you want to say all the dead Armenians from Karabakh? Are you tired of lying? Are you tired of writing disinformation?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Yes, above in the comments I threw off the layout of the losses of Azerbaijan and Armenia made purely from photo / video (original source https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html)

Let's check the tanks.
Before the war, the NKR had 371 tanks, without the Armenian Republic.
At the end of the war, there was information (employees of ANNA NEWS) that the NKR would not have two dozen tanks for warfare.
According to the photo / video, the losses of tanks were calculated in the amount of 243 units. (of which 97 units were captured as trophies)
Aliyev said: Tanks - 287 were destroyed, 79 were taken as trophies, a total of 366 tanks.

I do not observe any fundamental contradictions. Naturally, not all the tanks were in the photo / video, the classification of trophies or a wrecked tank is conditional and cannot be guessed from the screenshots. And in any case, the numbers are more than the indicated 114 tanks destroyed with the help of Bayraktars.

Curiously, what about the reliability of the data on the other hand?

[Boxer]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Purely bureaucratic difference. This is one, united Army of Armenia.

From a legal point of view, unconfirmed conjectures, the RA never recognized the NKR, either as a part of the RA, or as an independent state, and even more so did not have a common leadership and command with the NKR ... the opposite has not been proven ...

Aliyev speaks about 366 destroyed and captured tanks, the NKR had 371, without the tanks of the Republic of Armenia.

You are "pulling an owl on a globe", 371 these are approximate data and the maximum from my source, according to WIKI they are contradictory and according to the last source indicated in WIKI of tanks from NKR - in 2016 there were 200-300 units. Institute for Strategic Studies. The Military Balance 2016. - P. 181. - ISBN 978-1-85743-835-2., According to another earlier source in 2009 the NKR had 371 tanks Schmidt H.-J. Military Confidence Building and Arms Control in Unresolved Territorial Conflicts // PRIF Reports No. 89. Frankfurt am Main, 2009. P. 12.
Here's another source for 2020:

Now, according to unverified data, the NKR armored forces number 322 units of T-72 MBT and T-55 medium tanks., 324 BTR-70, BTR-80, BMP-1 and BMP-2. The army has 322 artillery systems, including 44 MLRS BM-21 "Grad".
The Azerbaijani side insists on the following figures for arming the army of the harrow of Nagorno-Karabakh. Tanks - 253

https://proza.ru/2020/10/03/1707
So, given the statistical data from various sources, the number of tanks in service with the NKR is less than what was destroyed by Azerbaijan ...
The same applies to the NKR PA ...
According to my sources, the number of cannon and rocket artillery at the NKR was 322 (including mortars), and according to your data, it was destroyed or taken as trophies (excluding MLRS) -

Cannons of various calibers - 315 destroyed, 37 taken as war spoils. Mortars - 63 destroyed, 62 taken as trophies.

315+37+63+62=т.е.477.
The NKR suffered catastrophic losses in the conflict, which it will never replenish, but there is no need to exaggerate and overestimate the losses, if the side had three tanks, then the other side could not destroy five ...

RA herself talks about it

Can you cite a source where the RA claims to send its Armed Forces to NKR and losses among its regular troops fighting with the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan ....?

Again, these anecdotal statements, did the Armenian army not appear in the war?) Are you still tired of promoting the army of the great NKR with 50 thousand population?) I do not understand what is the use of those who spread this misinformation about the alleged non-participation of the Armenian army? Thus, the Armenians want to evade possible reparations and shove responsibility for the completely destroyed and plundered Azerbaijani regions on this illegitimate "NKR"?
1. Serzh Sargsyan stated: “Thus, Armenia could achieve a reduction in losses, make up for the shortage of weapons and military equipment and launch a counteroffensive.
Instead, the former president said, Armenia attempted to encircle the Azerbaijani forces and lost the best brigades of reserve forces. "
Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3193085.html
Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
2. And this is the former Prime Minister G. Bagratyan, speaking about the fact that the army of Armenia is defeated, destroyed by 80%. Here is an article from the Military Review itself with a statement from the former Prime Minister of Armenia:
"Former Prime Minister of Armenia: 80 percent of our army is not - this is a rout."
https://topwar.ru/177468-jeks-premer-armenii-80-procentov-nashej-armii-net-jeto-razgrom.html#comment-id-10999109
3. Major General Stepanyan on the Armenian deserters: "These are several tens of thousands of people, at least 10 thousand."
"The fact that we have numerous deserters who have abandoned their combat positions is confirmed by many participants in hostilities and law enforcement officers. What should we do in this situation? Of course, no one can forgive. But on the other hand, bring such a large number of people to criminal responsibility. is unlikely to succeed either, "says the general.
"Source:" Sputnik Armenia ".
As I understand it, the number of deserters is greater than the actual population of the Nagas. Karabakh?)

[Boxer]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Purely bureaucratic difference. This is one, united Army of Armenia.

From a legal point of view, unconfirmed conjectures, the RA never recognized the NKR, either as a part of the RA, or as an independent state, and even more so did not have a common leadership and command with the NKR ... the opposite has not been proven ...

Aliyev speaks about 366 destroyed and captured tanks, the NKR had 371, without the tanks of the Republic of Armenia.

You are "pulling an owl on a globe", 371 these are approximate data and the maximum from my source, according to WIKI they are contradictory and according to the last source indicated in WIKI of tanks from NKR - in 2016 there were 200-300 units. Institute for Strategic Studies. The Military Balance 2016. - P. 181. - ISBN 978-1-85743-835-2., According to another earlier source in 2009 the NKR had 371 tanks Schmidt H.-J. Military Confidence Building and Arms Control in Unresolved Territorial Conflicts // PRIF Reports No. 89. Frankfurt am Main, 2009. P. 12.
Here's another source for 2020:

Now, according to unverified data, the NKR armored forces number 322 units of T-72 MBT and T-55 medium tanks., 324 BTR-70, BTR-80, BMP-1 and BMP-2. The army has 322 artillery systems, including 44 MLRS BM-21 "Grad".
The Azerbaijani side insists on the following figures for arming the army of the harrow of Nagorno-Karabakh. Tanks - 253

https://proza.ru/2020/10/03/1707
So, given the statistical data from various sources, the number of tanks in service with the NKR is less than what was destroyed by Azerbaijan ...
The same applies to the NKR PA ...
According to my sources, the number of cannon and rocket artillery at the NKR was 322 (including mortars), and according to your data, it was destroyed or taken as trophies (excluding MLRS) -

Cannons of various calibers - 315 destroyed, 37 taken as war spoils. Mortars - 63 destroyed, 62 taken as trophies.

315+37+63+62=т.е.477.
The NKR suffered catastrophic losses in the conflict, which it will never replenish, but there is no need to exaggerate and overestimate the losses, if the side had three tanks, then the other side could not destroy five ...

RA herself talks about it

Can you cite a source where the RA claims to send its Armed Forces to NKR and losses among its regular troops fighting with the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan ....?

Continued:
4. "It takes at least 2-3 years to restore the army, during this time there will be no fool who will go to war," Vazgen Manukyan, a candidate for Prime Minister of Armenia from the Movement to Save the Motherland, stated at a meeting with the residents of Vanadzor on January 16 . "
Source: https://news.am/rus/news/623818.html
5. "Military experts from Armenia note that they have serious doubts about the official information about the losses of the republic during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. Analysts believe that the data provided by the state" does not correspond to reality and does not inspire confidence. Experts after a detailed study of the chronology military events came to the conclusion that the number of victims of the war is actually slightly higher. At least 6 thousand people are declared. Analyst Hayk Khachikyan notes that, apparently, the official data on the victims does not include data on servicemen from the AR itself. -tsakha. "
Source: infosmi net
https://infosmi.net/politic/199264-voennye-analitiki-v-erevane-somnevayutsya-v-dostovernosti-dannyh-po-poteryam-na-voyne/
6. "By the Armenian Investigative Committee, the Deputy Head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Armenia Andranik Makaryan was accused of negligence, which caused significant harm during the war in Nagorno-Karabakh. The charge is based on part 3 of Art. 376 of the Criminal Code (" The negligent attitude of a chief or official to service causing significant harm ").
This was reported by the TASS news agency with reference to the press service of the Investigative Committee of Armenia.
The investigation claims that due to orders given by Makaryan, a detachment of 60 Armenian servicemen disappeared without trace during the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh last autumn. "
Source: https://topwar.ru/182455-zamglavy-genshtaba-armenii-obvinen-v-halatnosti-vo-vremja-vojny-v-karabahe.html#comment-id-11438115
Probably enough sources?)

[Boxer]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The success of Turkish UAVs in Karabakh is not the result of their unique characteristics, but the result of Pashinyan's betrayal.

Having modern air defense in the form of BUKs, TORs and Su-30s, Pashinyan deliberately sent old air defense systems - wasps to protect Karabakh, which could not get these UAVs, which means that the ground forces in fact did not have any protection from air strikes.

Pashinyan gave up the army of Karabakh and the Armenian volunteers for slaughter, in order to then drag Armenia into the EU and NATO.

Shame on the Armenians who sold their people in Karabakh for the promise of a sweet life.

Honor and glory to all the defenders of Karabakh, who fought for their land, being doomed to death and defeat.

And where there are modern air defense systems for Turkish and other UAVs, nothing shines, as in Syrian Idlib.

Do you Armenians love to find a single scapegoat and blame everything on him, all your collective sins, while praising yourself is pathetic. When you have so many deserters, this is probably what will happen as a result. You have this old disease You had the same thing in 1920. Read about the mass desertion in the Armenian army during the Turkish-Armenian war: "The outcome of the war was actually a foregone conclusion: the Armenian troops did not want to fight, the desertion acquired enormous (!) Proportions."
Source: TURKISH-ARMENIAN WAR OF 1920 // Genocide.ru
http://www.genocide.ru/enc/turco-armenian-war.htm
It was the same earlier, in September 1918, when the armed detachments of the Dashnaks, having fled, brought down the front near Baku, exposing it. After the Armenian formations, the Bolsheviks allied to them, as well as the servicemen of the Dictatorship of the Central Caspian Sea, and even their common allies, the British, had already retreated. And this has a clear numerical advantage.
Sources:
1. Volkhonsky M., Mukhanov V. In the wake of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. - M .: Europe, 2007.
2. HistoryNet. World War I: Battle for Baku. The Diaries of General Lionel Dunsterville 1911-1922

Former Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces, ex-military commissar of the republic, Major General Levon Stepanyan about the forty-four-day war and Armenian deserters:
"This is several tens of thousands of people, at least 10 thousand." As I understand it, this is more than the real population of NK)
"The fact that we have numerous deserters who have abandoned their combat positions is confirmed by many participants in hostilities and law enforcement officers. What should we do in this situation? Of course, no one can forgive. But on the other hand, bring such a large number of people to criminal responsibility. is unlikely to succeed either, "the general says." Source: Sputnik Armenia