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The contract SpaseX for the creation of a lunar module for NASA is suspended

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The National Aeronautics and Space Administration of the United States (NASA) has suspended the contract for the creation of the lunar module, concluded with the company Elon Musk SpaсeX. This was reported by NASA.


The contract for the creation of the module is suspended, Blue Origin and Dynetics have protested the agreement between NASA and SpaсeX. Now the fate of the contract, which means the lunar module, will be decided by the General Administration of the United States, which is an organ of the Congress. Until congressmen make their decision, Musk will not receive money to work on the module, which could mean a shift in the US lunar program to the right.

Just two weeks ago, NASA announced the conclusion of a contract with Elon Musk's company for the development of a lunar module under the Artemis program for $ 2,9 billion. In the competition, SpaсeX was ahead of Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin, as well as Dynetics.

According to the contract, SpaсeX was to develop a lander for landing on the surface of the Earth satellite as part of the Artemis program. Initially, a manned flight to the Moon was planned for 2024, it was assumed that the Orion spacecraft with US astronauts would arrive in orbit of the Earth satellite, after which two astronauts would go to the surface, spend a certain time there, and return back.

Now the terms can be significantly shifted, since it is not known how long the "showdown" around the contract will last. Although it is possible that Musk will build the module at his own expense, pending the "unlocking" of the contract and the receipt of money from NASA. In the option that after the proceedings, the contract for the lunar module will receive Blue Origin or Dynetics, as it is hard to believe, although anything can happen.
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  1. donavi49
    donavi49 1 May 2021 07: 52
    +12
    Here is a detailed description of all three offers, the money and cash requested by NASA and why they chose Mask (there is no money, even for the Mask from NASA, and therefore Musk will work on his own with the expectation of future coverage due to new contracts).
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 1 May 2021 08: 35
      +7
      SpaceX requested $ 2.9bn in its bid, and it was the lowest bid in the competition. At the same time, the Blue Origin design is both more expensive and looks much more simple.


      Interestingly, at the same time, they like to describe Blue Origin as "real space privateers", and SpaceX - as "a cover for a state-owned budget sawmill."
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 1 May 2021 08: 41
        +7
        Well, Bezos's company shows by deeds that they love to make presentations and give promises, but not fulfill them:
        - Jumping tourism = 0 people, with the plan 2017 the first person, 2018 3-4 flights of 6 people.
        - NewGlenn = no rocket, with a plan for a 20 year demo launch, for 21 years launch contracts have already been signed. The Ministry of Defense canceled their contracts.
        For the design and preparatory work, Blue Origin received $ 255,5 million from the Pentagon, and Northrop Grumman - $ 531,7 million.If each of the companies won last year's tender for launches, it could still receive enough money: Blue Origin was supposed to be to allocate $ 500 million, and Northrop Grumman - $ 792 million. But fate decreed otherwise.
        Since both companies lost the tender for launches in the so-called second stage of selection, the Pentagon is officially breaking off further cooperation with them.

        - Kuiper = even Bezos himself does not believe in NewGlenn and has a withdrawal contract with ULA. Well, this is how Musk would begin to display Starlink on the Alliances and Arians.
    2. Genry
      Genry 1 May 2021 18: 34
      -2
      Quote: donavi49
      Here in detail about all three sentences

      Channel "Alpha Centauri" is a typical high-gazer collecting money for their videos.
      It is only important for them to interest and gain subscribers.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 1 May 2021 18: 53
        +5
        Well, that doesn't change their focus on explaining well in one video.

        Specifically, they just put together a bunch of scattered video presentations from Twitter, NASA, etc. Plus they described the proposals. Plus, the prices of each of the systems were announced. Convenient and concise.

        Musk did request $ 2.89 billion
        Bezos and Co - asked for 6 billion and are playing an insult, like they promised two teams, like with CRS and the delivery of astronauts to the ISS, why we were not given 6 lard crying .
  2. knn54
    knn54 1 May 2021 07: 53
    +1
    Are they organizing a tender?
    And the Yankes are very tough on the developer / manufacturer's monopoly.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 08: 04
      0
      This is after the dismantling tender, the competitors believe that they were unfairly bypassed.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 May 2021 08: 05
      +2
      This has already been organized. I showed it above. Bezos and Dynetics have papemash mockups and 3D animation. At the same time, there is no money for them in the current funding of NASA. Initially, this stage had to pass 2 programs (1 weakest is eliminated) - but NASA does not have money even for one.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 1 May 2021 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Are they organizing a tender?
      And the Yankes are very tough on the developer / manufacturer's monopoly.

      Well, if there is a tender, then Hollywood will definitely win!
  3. prior
    prior 1 May 2021 08: 04
    +6
    Instead of landing on the lunar, Musk was "landed".
    Loot conquers everything, even America's lunar program.
    And it also turned out that there are no blacks and transgender people in the lunar astronauts ... laughing
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 1 May 2021 08: 49
      +2
      Quote: prior
      And it also turned out that there are no blacks and transgender people in the lunar astronauts.

      That they are bad to climb into no one knows where with an unknown ending? It is much easier and more pleasant to rob and raid on the ground.
    2. Sined
      Sined 1 May 2021 08: 51
      -3
      Are you worried about transgender people in the States? Or are they somehow interesting to you?
    3. Cosm22
      Cosm22 1 May 2021 10: 12
      -2
      Who was the one who "landed" the Mask there?
      Yes, Musk doesn't give a damn about even this contract. Of course, money is never superfluous. And in this case, with the receipt of money, the lunar lander program would advance more intensively. But nothing more.
      The Starship / Superheavy project is in no way affected. And in it, the lunar module itself is a scanty component. Blue Origin and Dynamics will get a turnaround from the gates after reviewing the claims, and that will be the end of it. Bezos, by the way, loves to squabble. The mask will not take much time for a small alteration of the main version of the product and the installation of additional landing engines in the upper part of the ship's hull.
      And there are more important things to do. We are waiting for the SN15 flight and remember that the twentieth prototype is already being prepared for orbital.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 1 May 2021 17: 28
        -6
        Quote: Cosm22
        The Starship / Superheavy project is in no way affected. And in it, the lunar module itself is a scanty component.

        This is a lie, because the launch of the lunar module and its docking (or flight to Earth) is the most difficult operation in the entire lunar program. Without the creation of such a module, all American lunar programs will remain on paper or in the form of propaganda videos.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 1 May 2021 18: 36
          -4
          Once again, for the dull ones.
          For Musk, the Artemis program is not a priority. Learn materiel.
          The ultimate goal of the Starship / Superheavy project is Mars. Musk has stated this many times.
          The moon for him can only serve as an intermediate stage. It will turn out with a lunar lander - again honor and praise to Mask and well-deserved buns from all sides. And one more plus in the reputation of Spaces.
          If a miracle happens and NASA replays its decision on the lunar module - what will Musk lose? Nothing at all. First, NASA will inevitably have to use its products to ensure cargo flows in the process of implementing the Artemis and Gateway programs.
          Secondly, Musk now has work, orders and worries above the roof without a lunar lander. He needs to continue the Starlink program. He needs to start working closely with the Starship booster. And it's time to teach the second step to sit confidently.
          The fact that the SLS-Orion is not capable of fully completing the Artemis mission is a problem and a headache for NASA.
          But not the Mask.
          He is just attracted to the lunar program because without him the problem cannot be solved.
          Therefore, once again: the Starship / Superheavy project itself does not affect the hypothetical deprivation of participation in the lunar contract. Absolutely. Moreover, this will not happen. For now NASA is forced to take into account the capabilities and conditions of the Spaces.
          1. Genry
            Genry 1 May 2021 18: 46
            -4
            Quote: Cosm22
            The ultimate goal of the Starship / Superheavy project is Mars.

            Yes!
            He will take several corpses in the morgue and in a year, maybe, will drag them to the orbit of Mars. crying
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 1 May 2021 19: 06
            0
            "The ultimate goal of the Starship / Superheavy project is Mars." Musk and his team in this direction until the end of the work and the creation of a full-fledged interplanetary manned spacecraft as before Mars - until 2030 we will definitely not see it, but they will make an unmanned cargo version. And who will fly to Starship without SAS will be unclear.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 1 May 2021 19: 37
              -3
              How to know, how to know ...
              In any case, Musk is actually doing something in the hardware today.
              In contrast to Roskosmos, which is not only the appearance, but even the concept of heavyweight is not able to give birth.
          3. ccsr
            ccsr 2 May 2021 17: 06
            0
            Quote: Cosm22
            For Musk, the Artemis program is not a priority. Learn materiel.
            The ultimate goal of the Starship / Superheavy project is Mars.

            So he can land on the moon even as a training, but on Mars - easily. Oh well...
            Quote: Cosm22
            Musk has stated this many times.
            The moon for him can only serve as an intermediate stage.

            Those. even without this working off, he wants to land on Mars? The tramp is strong ...
            Quote: Cosm22
            It will turn out with a lunar lander - again honor and praise to Mask and well-deserved buns from all sides.

            And if a failure occurs, will he still send people to Mars?
            Quote: Cosm22
            Secondly, Musk now has work, orders and worries above the roof without a lunar lander. He needs to continue the Starlink program. He needs to start working closely with the Starship booster. And it's time to teach the second step to sit confidently.

            Then why did he participate in the tender? The department would have it for other developers and that's the end of it.
            Quote: Cosm22
            He is just attracted to the lunar program because without him the problem cannot be solved.

            So that NASA's money can be cut and without trial if a failure occurs. That's the whole point of this venture.
    4. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 1 May 2021 16: 47
      +2
      Quote: prior
      And it also turned out that there are no blacks and transgender people in the lunar astronauts.

      Well, surely there are transponders and transmitters and even transceivers, what are these perverts lacking then ?!
  4. evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 May 2021 08: 20
    0
    Such an interesting private trader who receives money and possibly specialists and technologies from the state. The most private private owner in the world)))
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 08: 38
      +6
      And what kind of specialists and technologies?
      Rockets are made by Boeing, Northrop Lockheed, not NASA.
      Rocketdyne engines, not NASA, etc.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 May 2021 08: 48
      0
      Any company receives money from the state. This is the norm. Especially if the state needs something. Here are two more private traders for you, according to another competition - if anything:

      For design and preparatory work, the company Blue Origin received $ 255,5 from the Pentagon million, and Northrop Grumman - $ 531,7 million... If each of the companies won last year's launch tender, they could still receive enough money: Blue Origin was supposed to allocate $ 500 million over six years, and Northrop Grumman - $ 792 million. But fate decreed otherwise.

      Since both companies lost the tender for launches at the so-called second stage of selection, the Pentagon officially breaks off further cooperation with them..


      For example, the military poured 800 Lyams, but they did not get any exhaust at all. Or Fireflies for example:
      Firefly Aerospace has received a contract for the delivery of equipment from NASA under the CLPS (Commercial Lunar Payload Services) program, which is aimed at the development of private lunar astronautics and is part of the American Artemis lunar program with the resumption of manned missions.

      Firefly is honored to be awarded a $ 93.3M contract by NASA to deliver ten NASA-sponsored science and technology payloads to the lunar surface using our Blue Ghost lunar lander!
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 1 May 2021 13: 55
        +1
        Any company receives money from the state. This is the norm. Especially if the state needs something. Here are two more private traders for you, according to another competition - if anything:

        It's not in the subject of what subsidies are. SpaceX and Boing received them from NASA at the beginning of their programs.
        After all, not everyone can understand that the development of astronautics, including private space, is in the interests of the country, in this case the United States.
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 2 May 2021 04: 24
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      Such an interesting private trader who receives money and possibly specialists and technologies from the state.
      So, I'll tell you a secret: NASA is about the same agency as Roscosmos: it orders equipment from different companies.
  5. andrewkor
    andrewkor 1 May 2021 08: 23
    +2
    And what is there on the moon that would make it so fiercely "butt"? Like something about Helium-3 to hear. And so it is very similar to a fight for the loot!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 08: 39
      -3
      What does the moon have to do with it? Butt for a development contract.
      wassat
  6. spech
    spech 1 May 2021 08: 43
    0
    Until congressmen make their decision, Musk will not get money to work

    not visible hand of the market ,,,,,,,,
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 08: 53
      -2
      And what does it have to do with the state order?
      1. spech
        spech 1 May 2021 08: 55
        0
        this is read from the article. can the congressmen ask a question or Elon? laughing
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 1 May 2021 08: 56
          -2
          In the article, a fight for the state order. If you have not read carefully.
          There was a Tender, it was won by SpaceX with the cheapest and most ambitious offer. Competitors are naturally against and require revision.
          1. spech
            spech 1 May 2021 08: 58
            +1
            And about the "effective private trader" is no longer ...
            About Investing "personal funds" ......
            About Okuenogo "Engineer" .....
            Oh yes I forgot
            Until congressmen make their decision, Musk will not get money to work
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 01
              -2
              There is also an article about this.
              Musk has been developing Starship for his own for several years and will continue to develop it regardless of the decisions of the state.
              Trump announced the Artemis program and government orders went under it. Naturally SpaceX participates in these tenders and wins a number of contracts. One of the contracts was for a lander, SpaceX announced for it Starship being developed for itself. The state will get what it wants, and SpaceX will save on development. Since 2,9 billion does not cover the costs of Starship at all. Musk himself estimated its development from 5 to 10 billion dollars. At the same time, this is an incredibly low score for a super-tightness made completely from scratch.
              1. spech
                spech 1 May 2021 09: 03
                +5
                Will Ilon bang a rocket on the holidays or not?
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 04
                  -4
                  On Monday, a new jump is scheduled, SN15 will fly. And about the babakhs, Elon predicts successful backlights with SN25 +
                  1. spech
                    spech 1 May 2021 09: 07
                    +2
                    Here is a sly man, no to bang at 1 or 9, only 3 fireworks will start up.
                    Elon Predicts Successful Backlights With SN25 +
                    Damn, I can PREDICT too
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 07
                      -6
                      He wanted to last night, but the weather did not allow.
                      He is a general designer with a lot of experience, so there is a difference
                      1. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 12
                        +2
                        He is a general designer with a lot of experience, so there is a difference

                        so understood, salted ...
                        what did the "general designer" supervise?
                      2. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 12
                        -5
                        Falcon-1, Falcon-9, cargo Dragon, piloted Dragon, Starlink satellites of various modifications.
                      3. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 14
                        +3
                        Let's start simple ... did it do it in one?
                        PS Then L.P. Beria is a genius physicist-yudershik.
                      4. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 18
                        -1
                        Did Korolev and Von Braun work together as one?
                        Or straight post screams GENE.The designer, i.e. the chief designer, the commander of a whole detachment of designers
                      5. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 20
                        0
                        Yes, the example is not a good one, I put the swindler and the brilliant organizer on the same level.
                      6. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 21
                        +1
                        Oh, this rogue who has more launches than everyone else, more satellites than everyone else, who in the 1st quarter of this year launched into space twice as much kilogram as the rest of the world combined. This is what the scammers have grown to wassat
                      7. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 23
                        -2
                        Tesla remember.
                      8. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 24
                        -1
                        You can remember that they just recently released another report.
                        https://www.ixbt.com/news/2021/04/27/tesla-2021-438.html
                        Tesla has published a report for the first quarter of 2021. Revenue for the reporting period was $ 10,389 billion, of which electric vehicle sales brought in $ 9,0 billion. In annual terms, revenue grew by 74%, sales of electric vehicles - by 75%.
                        Operating income for the quarter was $ 594 million. This figure has grown by 110% over the year.

                        Horror, horror, what a stupid crook. He doesn't know that he needs to raise money and run away, and not create a successful fast-growing company with big profits.
                      9. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 27
                        -1
                        you can link to the source of the news, and not
                        https://www.ixbt.com/news/2021/04/27/tesla-2021-438.html

                        I can write a lot too.
                        Ask about bubbles on the stock exchange.
                      10. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 31
                        0
                        Yes, it's not at all difficult to add links.
                        Yes, and you should ask what a bubble is, otherwise it’s obvious ignorance.
                        https://quote.rbc.ru/news/article/6087a0f19a7947ce63ad1154?from=newsfeed
                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4792512
                        https://www.interfax.ru/business/763412
                      11. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 34
                        -2
                        where does the news come from, the original source can be seen?
                      12. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 36
                        -2
                        The original source is Tesla's report posted on the off-site and presented to investors at the relevant event, for any lies in this report follows criminal liability for all signers with landings for over hundreds of years, as they like in the United States for such tricks, there is Musk among the signers. The state regularly conducts checks, especially considering that Musk regularly interferes with the state with feces in tweets. Therefore, he just does not sleep on checks in factories.
                      13. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 49
                        -3
                        Tesla's report posted on the offsite and presented to investors

                        Tesla made a profit?
                        In terms of full-year performance, Tesla reached $ 2020 billion in revenue, $ 31,536 billion in operating income, and $ 1,994 million in net income. For comparison: in 721, having received $ 2019 billion in revenue, the company suffered operating losses in the amount of $ 7,000 million, and the year ended with a net loss of $ 667 million.

                        to compare
                        The company's revenue in annual terms increased by 4,2% - to 15,285 trillion yen ($ 140 billion), and operating income increased by 11,3%, to 1,404 trillion yen ($ 12,9 billion).
                      14. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 51
                        0
                        It has long been profitable.
                        And yet the comparison is wonderful. Tesla's growth is 74% and Tayota's growth is 4.2%
                        It is clear who is pouring all the money into new factories, and who is chilling. The faster the expansion, the lower the profit, because the factories cost money winked
                      15. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 55
                        -2
                        in 19 -674 in 20 +721 50 ml of bucks for the value of the company
                        Tesla is an American manufacturer of electric vehicles and electrical energy storage solutions. Founded in 2003, California. Production of the first production car began in 2008, with annual sales of approximately 30 thousand vehicles
                      16. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 57
                        -1
                        You don't understand at all how investments work.
                        The core of all investing comes down to the fact that you gave X money, and you want to turn it into an Y which is larger than X, so that the difference is bigger and quicker agree?
                        How much growth in annual interest is a success for you?
                      17. spech
                        spech 1 May 2021 09: 58
                        -2
                        I remember very well "MMM" "HOPER" and so on and so on
                      18. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 59
                        +1
                        So how many hundreds of thousands of cars did they produce profitably? laughing
              2. spech
                spech 1 May 2021 09: 51
                -1
                and now compare "capitalization" laughing
              3. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 52
                -1
                I explained a little below, in the answer to the K150, how it works
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              5. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 58
                +1
                Can't keep up with growth wassat
                Tesla produced 2020 thousand cars in 509,7

                Read more at RBC:
                https://www.rbc.ru/business/02/01/2021/5ff0af3c9a794794e73d350e
              6. spech
                spech 1 May 2021 09: 59
                -1
                yes was wrong.
              7. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 1 May 2021 10: 00
                -2
                And this year, two more plants are due to go into operation, in Texas and Germany. Production will continue to grow, and in China, the factory is actively expanding.
              8. spech
                spech 1 May 2021 10: 03
                -2
                The fact that Gigafactory 3 is the first factory wholly owned by a foreign company is also unique.

                and?
                Tesla's new plant in China was built in 168 days. The first batch of cars will go to workers

                that is, they worked for BBIK?
              9. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 1 May 2021 10: 08
                0
                No, they built a plant for a lot of money. And the first batch of auto workers is for testing.
              10. spech
                spech 1 May 2021 10: 09
                -3
                All clear,
                play on the mask further, it makes no sense to talk with stubborn ones.
              11. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 1 May 2021 10: 10
                0
                Such a drain is counted. wassat
              12. spech
                spech 1 May 2021 10: 11
                -4
                wipe down and wash your hands after the mask.
  7. K150
    K150 1 May 2021 09: 41
    0
    Quote: BlackMokona
    You can remember that they just recently released another report.
    https://www.ixbt.com/news/2021/04/27/tesla-2021-438.html
    Tesla has published a report for the first quarter of 2021. Revenue for the reporting period was $ 10,389 billion, of which electric vehicle sales brought in $ 9,0 billion. In annual terms, revenue grew by 74%, sales of electric vehicles - by 75%.
    Operating income for the quarter was $ 594 million. This figure has grown by 110% over the year.

    Horror, horror, what a stupid crook. He doesn't know that he needs to raise money and run away, and not create a successful fast-growing company with big profits.

    Storyteller, look at Tesla's capitalization, with a circulation of 500k cars per year, its capitalization is higher than that of Toyota with a circulation of more than 10 lemons. This is never a cheat
  8. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 45
    -3
    Capitalization is determined not by Musk, but by investors on the stock exchange.
    They determine, focusing on the forecasts of their analysts, trying to predict which company will be on horseback tomorrow and which will be in the ditch.
    If investors believe that the company is doomed, then it will cost very cheaply despite the large profits, sales and so on.
    If investors believe that the company is going uphill and cannot be stopped, then it will be worth over billions even if it does not sell anything and does not get out of losses.
    Here I recall the most charismatic example where Yahu did not buy Google for $ 1 million. And now Google is worth more than a trillion dollars and is awash in profits. Having made a correct forecast earlier, Yahu's company could turn a million into a trillion.
    The rapidly growing Tesla, crushing competitors on all fronts, is seen by investors as a much better choice than competitors who are actively losing and retreating. After all, all the billions that Tesla earned are billions that were not earned by its competitors.
  9. Cheerock
    Cheerock 1 May 2021 11: 14
    +2
    [/ quote] [quote = BlackMokona] Oh, you can remember, they just recently released another report.
    https://www.ixbt.com/news/2021/04/27/tesla-2021-438.html
    Tesla has published a report for the first quarter of 2021. Revenue for the reporting period was $ 10,389 billion, of which electric vehicle sales brought in $ 9,0 billion. In annual terms, revenue grew by 74%, sales of electric vehicles - by 75%.
    Operating income for the quarter was $ 594 million. This figure has grown by 110% over the year.

    Horror, horror, what a stupid crook. He doesn't know that he needs to raise money and run away, and not create a successful fast-growing company with big profits.

    You, dear, if you quote, then quote in full))
    "Last quarter, Tesla sold emissions quotas to other automakers for a record $ 518 million, up 46% from sales in the same period last year. Without the sale of quotas, Tesla would have ended the quarter with a loss."
    Let me remind you that Tesla Karz (in fact, air trade) receives quotas from the US state free of charge.
  10. spech
    spech 1 May 2021 09: 16
    +2
    Starlink satellites of various modifications.

    is it about a free internet for 200 bucks a month?
  11. spech
    spech 1 May 2021 09: 18
    +3
    also hyperloop, poverbank, excursions around the moon in 2019 ...
  12. Lontus
    Lontus 1 May 2021 13: 55
    +2
    Quote: spech
    also hyperloop, poverbank, excursions around the moon in 2019 ...

    the flyby of the moon in Musk's promises was scheduled for 2018
  13. K150
    K150 1 May 2021 09: 42
    -1
    Quote: spech
    Starlink satellites of various modifications.

    is it about a free internet for 200 bucks a month?

    And which turned out to be a communications system for the Pentagon, the civilians got nothing.
  14. military_cat
    military_cat 1 May 2021 10: 49
    -1
    Quote: K150
    the civilians got nothing.

    Have you ever been to YouTube?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Starlink+unboxing&tbm=vid
  • spech
    spech 1 May 2021 09: 08
    0
    And what does "backlight" mean?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 08
      -6
      "Landings" are just auto-edits
  • spech
    spech 1 May 2021 09: 09
    +1
    By the way, I have a flashlight on my mobile, I can "highlight" it.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 May 2021 08: 53
    0
    Powder from the face flies off quickly. But shaking it out of the brain is quite difficult. But users are thoroughly powdered. If there is a problem with the module, what can you say about cargo with rare earth materials. If you invest that kind of money in geology, the return will be much faster.
  • Sined
    Sined 1 May 2021 09: 01
    -6
    It was wrong on the part of NASA to exclude the second winner, if they give clear conditions, then they must adhere to them regardless of which Senate approved the budget. It would be better if they add a second winner to SpaceX, let Dvinetics compete with Blue Origin. Otherwise NASA will soon be like India with its tenders.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 09: 06
      -7
      NASA did not give clear terms on how many winners. They said that they would like three, but most likely there will be two, let's see the budget.
      They were not given money even for two, and the guys are spinning on what to eat. NASA, unlike Congress, wants to fly, and does not play political games
  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 May 2021 09: 16
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    Quote: andrewkor
    And what is there on the moon that would make it so fiercely "butt"? Like something about Helium-3 to hear. And so it is very similar to a fight for the loot!

    except for helium-3, the development of which is still fantastic, there are still a lot of unexplored resources and the main one is water!
    1. spech
      spech 1 May 2021 09: 32
      +3
      Yeah, methane can be dragged from Jupiter, and hydrogen from the sun.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 May 2021 19: 09
      0
      The main resource there is REM.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 1 May 2021 22: 36
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        Quote: Vadim237
        The main resource there is REM.

        and this is also, perhaps in second place after water
        1. Disant
          Disant 2 May 2021 11: 42
          +1
          even if mankind contrives and delivers and delivers and launches a nuclear reactor on the surface of the moon, delivers harvesters and a water production plant - the exhaust will be water, oxygen and hydrogen - products for human life support - drink, breath, energy. For what ? Only for military purposes - to get a person out of his jail, to tweak, tweak, install something. Everything.
          .
          It remains to tighten up the technical part and it will make all these operations in the service station times cheaper.
          No one will give such money to civilian space for projets and populism - such money does not exist
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 2 May 2021 17: 23
            +2
            Duc for what, water, Lutz to do! fuel, fuel fiddler! to fly further to Mars ... Gedevan Alexandrovich wassat
      2. Disant
        Disant 2 May 2021 11: 29
        +1
        what REM and where? I think this is just someone's fantasy. We have two-thirds of the territory of only the land surface of Russia as the Moon is also inaccessible. I want to
  • xorek
    xorek 1 May 2021 09: 27
    -3
    The whole thing is dark ... And the Mask has such cunning eyes! laughing
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock 1 May 2021 11: 23
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    It has long been profitable.

    Not long ago, and did not come out. And did not win, but lost (s)
    And yet the comparison is wonderful. Tesla's growth is 74% and Tayota's growth is 4.2%

    Toyota has 800% more car production than Tesla, if anything. And Toyota does not trade in air, unlike.
    The faster the expansion, the lower the profit, because the factories cost money winked

    All this can be seen in the report, but I'm too lazy))) In 2019, there was also a lot of talk about the fact that losses are solely from investments in new plants. But the investment was something for 200 million, and the loss was lard.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 May 2021 12: 41
      -2
      Well, look at the report for 2020. Otherwise, you will live in the past. wassat
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 1 May 2021 12: 03
    -4
    Breakthrough programs, as always, are torpedoed by the bureaucracy on the way to efficiency. Apparently not everyone likes Musk's successes and dynamics.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 1 May 2021 14: 43
    +2
    And Musk confesses to Nikola Tesla, this is his biggest sin.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 May 2021 22: 35
    0
    Quote: spech
    Yeah, methane can be dragged from Jupiter, and hydrogen from the sun.

    no need to clown around, better educate yourself about their lunar program
    1. Disant
      Disant 2 May 2021 12: 19
      0
      better educate yourself about their lunar program

      the ten-year plan envisages the use of both private launch vehicles, spacecraft and modules, and NASA developments (the Space Launch rocket - SLS Block 1B, the Orion spacecraft and the Gateway orbital lunar base) for the phased launch of a large volume of payload into the lunar orbit and several crews.
      .
      Conclusion
      - preservation and development of competencies in the US space industry
      - the US industry will work. The result is unimportant.
      - Moon exploration will continue and there will be more circles on the landing map.
      .
      Yeah, methane can be dragged from Jupiter, and hydrogen from the sun

      spech for the most part is right - water can be delivered from Earth if it burns directly from someone in one place - at this stage of space exploration with today's technologies it will be cheaper. I think he was referring to the untimely initiation of barely outlined, almost completely unfounded prospects for the extraction of something from the bowels of the Moon.
      .
      Now the standing goals of all lunar programs are exclusively military and the political
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 2 May 2021 00: 25
    -1
    Exactly, like dogs in the hay, they themselves do not pull this yet, so it is necessary to put sticks in the wheels of a more successful competitor, so that he would break off. A good example of dirty competition.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 May 2021 19: 10
    +1
    Looks like Hollywood outbid again. laughing