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Resolution of the European Parliament calls for disconnecting the Russian Federation from SWIFT and abandoning Russian oil and gas

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Resolution of the European Parliament calls for disconnecting the Russian Federation from SWIFT and abandoning Russian oil and gas

The topic of Russia's possible disconnection from the SWIFT payment system is gaining momentum. So, today, representatives of the European Parliament have made a proposal to impose sanctions of this kind against the Russian Federation.


The EP said that Russia should be disconnected from SWIFT in the event that "Moscow allows continued aggression against Ukraine." In particular, it is stated that if Russia "violates the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine," then it is necessary not only to disconnect the Russian Federation from SWIFT, but also to abandon the purchase of Russian hydrocarbons - oil and gas.

These are the words that are presented in the resolution that the European parliamentarians adopted at the end of the plenary session.

It should be noted that threats to disconnect Russia from the SWIFT system have been heard for several years - in fact, since the reunification of Crimea with Russia. At the same time, Moscow has already repeatedly said that such sanctions will harm, first of all, Europe itself and other countries that have a large trade turnover with the Russian Federation. Moreover, Russia has already prepared for any scenarios, including problems with SWIFT, by creating alternative options.

The proposal to abandon the purchase of oil and gas in the Russian Federation looks like natural populism. If the EU countries lose even half of their imports of Russian gas, it will deal an irreparable blow to the economies of the EU countries, which will also affect the political landscape of Europe.

At the same time, it is important to note that the EP resolutions are of a declarative nature if they relate to foreign policy directions.
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  1. Installer
    Installer April 29 2021 18: 46
    +13
    As the saying goes, "get tired" of swallowing dust.
    They will not turn it off, it is not profitable for them. If it were possible, it would have been turned off.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 29 2021 18: 51
      +22
      These gentlemen are also from another planet in relation to their citizens.
      1. keeper03
        keeper03 April 29 2021 18: 54
        +27
        Great offer! yes Go ahead - click! wassat soldier
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 29 2021 20: 18
          +4
          Quote: keeper03
          Great offer! yes Go ahead - click! wassat soldier

          Somewhere I have already heard this ... I even know how it ended:
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov April 29 2021 20: 59
            -2
            The Europarliamentary "tobacco" of the American "Sherkhan" is trying to intimidate Russia. The EP simply PROPOSES to start an economic war against Russia if it does not allow the Ukrobanderites to deal with the LPNR. Now this is just stupidity, but if Russia stands behind Donbass / Ukraine, then, most likely, this decision will be made by "progressive Europe".

            By the way, this decision of the EP indicates that the State Department Did not refuse from the Ukrainian version of "Olui" / "Tempest" and is going to carry it out soon.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 April 29 2021 21: 44
              +10
              It is necessary in Russia to hold a referendum on whether Russia should disconnect from SWIFT and stop selling gas to the West.
              Tired of it!
              1. Clear
                Clear April 29 2021 22: 07
                +1
                Quote: Shurik70
                It is necessary in Russia to hold a referendum on whether Russia should disconnect from SWIFT and stop selling gas to the West.
                Tired of it!

                Indeed, how will the EU pay us for gas and other goods? Carry Euros in trolleys? belay
                1. Maikcg
                  Maikcg April 29 2021 22: 11
                  +4
                  By air, just now there are a lot of free ones.
                  1. Clear
                    Clear April 29 2021 22: 16
                    +6
                    Quote: MaikCG
                    By air, just now there are a lot of free ones.

                    Okay. Airplane in the morning, gas in the evening lol
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 April 30 2021 22: 01
                      0
                      Quote: Clear
                      how will the EU pay us for gas and other goods? Carry Euros in trolleys?

                      So let's not sell. So you won't have to pay.
                      As a last resort, let them pay in yuan.
                2. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich April 29 2021 23: 59
                  +6
                  Quote: Clear

                  Indeed, how will the EU pay us for gas and other goods? Carry Euros in trolleys? belay
                  We are not proud people ...
                  Let's take gold, platinum ...
                  bully
                3. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 April 30 2021 06: 42
                  -8
                  Quote: Clear
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  It is necessary in Russia to hold a referendum on whether Russia should disconnect from SWIFT and stop selling gas to the West.
                  Tired of it!

                  Indeed, how will the EU pay us for gas and other goods? Carry Euros in trolleys? belay

                  Isn't this a problem for Gazprom?
                  1. A1845
                    A1845 April 30 2021 09: 38
                    +4
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Isn't this a problem for Gazprom?

                    it's not a problem at all, for that matter
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky April 30 2021 00: 06
                +4
                Quote: Shurik70
                It is necessary in Russia to hold a referendum on whether Russia should disconnect from SWIFT and stop selling gas to the West.
                Tired of it!

                You know, this is a thought! I think that the biggest nightmare for Europe will be the result of the referendum, which will definitely be in favor of disconnecting and not selling!
                What they want to use against Russia will turn against Europe itself with the full support of the Russians, which again (for the umpteenth time) will make them think about - "The Mysterious Russian Soul". wink
                The trick is that when they ask to resume gas supplies with frozen snot, we will have to hold a referendum on whether or not it is necessary, and without any guarantees that the reverse process will be supported by the Russians.
              3. Ramadan
                Ramadan April 30 2021 14: 12
                +2
                “It is necessary in Russia to hold a referendum on whether Russia should disconnect from SWIFT and stop selling gas to the West.
                Tired of it! "
                What nonsense is this? What does the entire population of the country have to do with it?
                Do we all use swift international transfers?
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 29 2021 22: 04
              +3
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              The EP simply PROPOSES to start an economic war against Russia if it does not allow the Ukrobanderites to deal with the LPNR.
              Europe is not the first time to hand over someone to the Nazis, first Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, and then they gave themselves into the hands of Hitler. Also now they want to surrender the LPR and DPR to the fascists. I wonder who Europe will hand over next?
        2. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 April 29 2021 23: 27
          0
          Go ahead! The States are increasing the volume of oil purchases in Russia, you will buy from them
      2. nnm
        nnm April 29 2021 19: 04
        +11
        I'm trying to find this resolution on the agenda, but I don't see it. Today we considered a resolution concerning us on bulk and the Czech Republic, but there is no such thing in the text. Maybe, of course, I'm not looking there, not everything is published on the site, but still: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/agenda/weekly-agenda
        But in principle, I’m even wondering how these Western countries will pay us for gas then? Do you want to send cash trains?
        I understand that there is a European analogue of the system, and ours with China, but I’m wondering - well, we don’t want to switch to duplication, will they themselves start to get old teletypes for closed channels from the basements in banks? Or they simply vote because they know that this is a useless piece of paper
        1. nnm
          nnm April 29 2021 19: 13
          +11
          In the resolution on the Czechs and Navalny, I found only this:
          "If the military build-up leads to a Russian invasion of Ukraine, the EU must clarify the consequences of such a violation of international law and norms, MEPs agreed. Such a scenario should lead to an immediate cessation of EU oil and gas imports from Russia, the exclusion of Russia from the SWIFT payment system, as well as an asset freeze and the abolition of visas to Europe for all oligarchs associated with the Russian authorities. "
          Source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20210422IPR02623/russia-meps-deplore-military-build-up-attack-in-czechia-and-jailing-of-navalny
          - in my opinion, this is far from the same thing as:
          The EP said that Russia should be disconnected from SWIFT in the event that "Moscow admits the continuation of aggression against Ukraine"
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich April 30 2021 11: 04
            +3
            Don't be fooled, this is actually a ban on aid to Donbass. Horseradish radish is not sweeter. The resolution has been interpreted correctly.
            1. nnm
              nnm April 30 2021 11: 29
              0
              I quoted a QUOTE from the document and gave a link to the source. How to interpret it is up to you. I see the words "IF ... will lead to an invasion", that is, in the future tense, and not in relation to actually already occurring events, as described in the article. If you have a different opinion, then this is your full right.
              1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich April 30 2021 11: 34
                +2
                They do not require any real events, just statements and falsifications.
                Once again, do not be misled, the resolution has been interpreted correctly both in spirit and in letter.
                1. nnm
                  nnm April 30 2021 11: 48
                  0
                  Once again - count as you like. Do not be friends with legal vocabulary - your right.
        2. NIKN
          NIKN April 29 2021 19: 14
          +7
          That's right, those who are shouting there and have no idea (even the initial one) what and how it works, these are politicians (at that they are engaged), their task is to shout and nothing more. The EP itself does not have special powers and cannot make decisions (for mandatory implementation).
        3. svp67
          svp67 April 29 2021 19: 26
          +10
          Quote: nnm
          But in principle, I’m even wondering how these Western countries will pay us for gas then? Do you want to send cash trains?

          They will use the European SEPA system, they do not call to disconnect from it wink
          And SWIFT is a dollar system
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 29 2021 19: 31
            +5
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: nnm
            But in principle, I’m even wondering how these Western countries will pay us for gas then? Do you want to send cash trains?

            They will use the European SEPA system, they do not call to disconnect from it wink
            And SWIFT is a dollar system

            Swift is international money transactions, no matter what currency. The euro goes through one correspondent bank, the dollar through another, but the system is the same.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin April 29 2021 20: 02
              +10
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Swift is international money transactions, no matter what currency. The euro goes through one correspondent bank, the dollar through another, but the system is the same.
              Most of the ruble bank transfers within the Russian Federation go through SWIFT.
              It would be high time, for a start, at least within the Russian Federation, to leave SWIFT for its own system.
              1. ANB
                ANB April 29 2021 20: 43
                +15
                ... Most of the ruble bank transfers within the Russian Federation go through SWIFT.

                No, it doesn't.
                Very uncomfortable.
                The lion's share of ruble transfers goes through the RCC of the CBR.
                Swift for rubles is used either not by banks, or by banks whose payments have been disabled.
                The Central Bank is trying to launch foreign currency transfers through itself, but this is slow. Although they will most likely be sold.
                Only international payments will remain.
                Well, swift is not a payment system.
                A purely secure communication channel with storing messages and receipts.
              2. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose April 29 2021 21: 03
                +7
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                It would be high time, for a start, at least within the Russian Federation, to leave SWIFT for its own system.

                In my office (about 1300 people), back in January, in addition to the salary MasterCard, MIR was also issued voluntarily and compulsorily. So, things are going on, the office is writing.
                1. Elena Akinfieva
                  Elena Akinfieva April 29 2021 21: 24
                  +4
                  Three or two years ago, everyone was transferred to the world.
                  1. Polite Moose
                    Polite Moose April 29 2021 21: 30
                    +4
                    Quote: Elena Akinfieva
                    Three or two years ago, everyone was transferred to the world.

                    Civil servants and pensioners - yes. We have JSC.
                2. Clear
                  Clear April 29 2021 22: 22
                  +2
                  Russia and China have already created their own credit card companies, so as not to depend on the leaders of this market VISA and Mastercard.
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            2. svp67
              svp67 April 30 2021 07: 12
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Swift is international money transactions, no matter what currency. The euro goes through one correspondent bank, the dollar through another, but the system is the same.

              And nevertheless, the conversation was about how the Europeans will pay off.
              With SEPA Direct Debit, individuals and legal entities can send and receive money in one currency within one banking day. This means that if funds are sent before the end of the working day in one country, they can be received in another the next day at most. The service fee is fixed, set at 5 euros for transfers up to 5 euros and 000 euros if the amount exceeds 8. The maximum amount of an outgoing transfer / payment cannot exceed 5 euros.
              SEPA countries
              A banking organization of subjects exchanging payments must work in one of the EU states or in a member of the single Eurozone:
              Austria,
              Belgium, Bulgaria,
              Great Britain, Hungary,
              Gibraltar, Germany, Greece,
              Denmark,
              Spain, Italy, Ireland, Iceland,
              Cyprus,
              Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein,
              Republic of Malta, Principality of Monaco,
              Netherlands (Holland), Norway,
              Poland, Portugal,
              Romania,
              Slovakia, Slovenia, Republic of San Marino,
              Finland, France,
              Croatia,
              Czech Republic,
              Sweden, Switzerland,
              Estonia.
        4. The popuas
          The popuas April 29 2021 19: 32
          0
          Barozzu has already answered this ... and this is not a resolution, but a proposal, from their deputies! The news with the rotten No.
      3. Anatoly 288
        Anatoly 288 April 29 2021 19: 10
        -2
        Europe, just like a capricious Mamzel, waves her arms, stomps her feet, screams something ... Looks like she invites her to visit in the past, she hesitates to call openly, so she came up with a trick. And as soon as you come to her, she becomes quiet, flexible and affectionate ... I missed you again, it seems it's time to get ready ...
      4. businessv
        businessv April 30 2021 13: 51
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        These gentlemen are also from another planet in relation to their citizens.
        This is capitalism, that's how it is! I think I need to add a little to the title:
        The resolution of the European Parliament calls for disconnecting the Russian Federation from SWIFT, abandoning Russian oil and gas, and killing yourself against the wall!
        Something like that. wink
    2. xorek
      xorek April 29 2021 19: 14
      .
      Quote: Installer
      As the saying goes, "get tired" of swallowing dust.
      They will not turn it off, it is not profitable for them. If it were possible, it would have been turned off.

      Naturally, they will not turn it off, but this is all designed for "our elite", like how do you tolerate this bloody regime and how will you pay and have a rest abroad ..?
      The majority in Russia do not even know what this system is .. We would have lived from salary to salary .. And also, so that liberalism would be gagged by all means of the media .. They whine and whine
      And the faces are so polished all and the eyes are sly cunning ..
      Are they trying to stir up confusion in Russia again? They will all run away with their bags full ..
      Is it easy for us to restore everything again? Yes, how long is it possible .. The patience of the Russian peasant is already at the limit .. Can it really be at war, than so to endure insults and humiliation everywhere? The goal is now we know where the hornet's nest is for all this baiting ..
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 April 29 2021 19: 37
        +2
        It’s interesting what they would say in the winter, I remember when the frost intensified, there were no vyaks, they waved handles on the shore to our gas carrier, invited us to visit.
        1. xorek
          xorek April 29 2021 19: 49
          -1
          Quote: Alexander 3
          It’s interesting what they would say in the winter, I remember when the frost intensified, there were no vyaks, they waved handles on the shore to our gas carrier, invited us to visit.

          And as summer begins, the brave ones all shout at each other interrupt us, we don't need anything from Russia, there is no democracy and in general all are homophobes .. wassat
          As soon as frost blows ... Immediately silence and polite until diarrhea .. angry
          1. KCA
            KCA April 30 2021 05: 42
            -2
            No, just now Geyrope needs gas, and not in winter, they fill storage facilities in summer, at peak consumption in winter, there will not be enough pumping through the pipe, now they need to turn off the tap, well, at least for a couple of weeks, under the pretext of gas pipeline technical regulations, or simulate an accident see their parliament sing
      2. Revolver
        Revolver April 30 2021 01: 37
        +3
        Quote: xorek
        The patience of the Russian peasant is already at the limit .. Can he really fight, how can he endure insults and humiliation everywhere?

        Here you are personally and go to war. Or send the children to fight, and then meet them either in zinc or not in one piece. And do not try to hide behind your grandfathers, great-grandfathers, who fought for you for a hundred years in advance. They fought for a country that no longer exists.
        Is it weak to enlist in Syria or to volunteer for the Donbass?
    3. den3080
      den3080 April 29 2021 19: 36
      -2
      Quote: Installer
      As the saying goes, "get tired" of swallowing dust.
      They will not turn it off, it is not profitable for them. If it were possible, it would have been turned off.

      And somewhere, Mr.Pushkov and other members stretched sweetly ...
      You can continue to travel to Strasbourg at public expense. Masochism is a fascinating thing, apparently.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 April 29 2021 19: 51
        +10
        The European Parliament ... Whether Russia is disconnected from SWIFT or not, but Russia has to leave PACE for a long time. However, something strange is happening - Russia not only does not leave from there, but also paid a fine for late payment for the time when its delegation did not participate in the meetings. What is this? Such a sophisticated kind of masochism or something more? Or does someone so want to travel at the expense of taxpayers to the PACE meetings in "decaying" Europe?
        1. den3080
          den3080 April 29 2021 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: Snail N9
          The European Parliament ... Whether Russia is disconnected from SWIFT or not, but Russia has to leave PACE for a long time. However, something strange is happening - Russia not only does not leave from there, but also paid a fine for late payment for the time when its delegation did not participate in the meetings. What is this? Such a sophisticated kind of masochism or something more? Or does someone so want to travel at the expense of taxpayers to the PACE meetings in "decaying" Europe?

          Well ... some people are not only fond of masochism at the expense of the state, and, accordingly, at the expense of Russian taxpayers, but also climb the career ladder. Pleasant and useful, so to speak.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke April 29 2021 23: 18
            +4
            Quote: den3080
            Well ... some people are not only fond of masochism at the expense of the state, and, accordingly, at the expense of Russian taxpayers, but also climb the career ladder.

            In particular, what kind of connections and with whom is Mr. (not to say Mr.) Chubais engaged?
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 April 30 2021 09: 15
            -3
            Quote: den3080
            at the expense of Russian taxpayers

            Poor, poor taxpayers ... crying Tellingly, they are usually remembered in vain by those who work "in gray" or hucksters who have their own "special" relationship with taxes. yes laughing
        2. Elena Akinfieva
          Elena Akinfieva April 29 2021 21: 25
          0
          I don’t understand either. Apparently, something is happening that we do not know.
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 29 2021 19: 53
      -2
      Quote: Installer
      As the saying goes, "get tired" of swallowing dust.
      They will not turn it off, it is not profitable for them. If it were possible, it would have been turned off.

      Do not underestimate the collective intelligence of the European Union. It is not even business that decides, but politics.
      1. Clear
        Clear April 29 2021 22: 03
        +1
        Quote: Pilat2009
        Quote: Installer
        As the saying goes, "get tired" of swallowing dust.
        They will not turn it off, it is not profitable for them. If it were possible, it would have been turned off.

        Do not underestimate the collective intelligence of the European Union. It is not even business that decides, but politics.

        That's right, and this collective intelligence of theirs is legitimized by Russia itself. I do not know why request .
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      1. dauria
        dauria April 29 2021 20: 25
        +3
        payment of compensation for missed ....


        It seems that everything is correct for you. How many ships have Russia won, even "reinforced concrete" ones? It's a pity the option "money in the morning, chairs in the evening. But money in advance" does not work in the gas trade. It's a pity.
    6. Clear
      Clear April 29 2021 22: 01
      -1
      Resolution of the European Parliament calls for the disconnection of the Russian Federation

      And if Russia does not pay attention to this wonderful European Parliament, then, in my opinion, it will be blown away by itself what
    7. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 30 2021 03: 05
      -1
      They will not turn it off, it is not profitable for them. If it were possible, it would have been turned off.
      Unfortunately, in the modern world, concepts have long been lost profitable, expedient, meets the interests and national policy... What they decide in Washington, the Europeans (Chinese, Indians ...) will do in relation to Russia.
  2. Prax1
    Prax1 April 29 2021 18: 47
    .
    I hope this does not happen, the worst is the embargo.
    1. opuonmed
      opuonmed April 29 2021 19: 15
      +5
      Quote: Prax1
      I hope this does not happen, the worst is the embargo.

      I hope the Russian Federation is ready for this!
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 29 2021 19: 56
        -4
        Quote: opuonmed
        I hope the Russian Federation is ready for this!

        How? The share of oil and gas revenues is high. Yes, you can stretch out for a while, but the living standards of the population will fall below the baseboard.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 00
          -3
          Russia with 120 countries trade in everything so do not worry. The European Parliament, which is exclusively advisory in nature, represents a minority of these countries.
        2. Maikcg
          Maikcg April 29 2021 22: 19
          -1
          ... but the living standards of the EU population will fall below the baseboard without gas - energy and chemistry
        3. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke April 29 2021 23: 21
          -3
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Yes, you can stretch out for a while, but the living standard of the population will fall below the plinth

          He is already lower.
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  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 29 2021 18: 47
    +1
    And this is nothing that all these resolutions of the European Parliament are recommendatory in nature. good drinks
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 29 2021 20: 03
      -2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      are advisory in nature.

      A bit wrong.

      According to the resolution, in the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the European Union undertakes to stop the import of oil and gas from the Russian Federation, disconnect Russia from the SWIFT payment system, freeze the European assets of representatives of the Russian authorities and oligarchs and prohibit them from entering the territory of the EU countries. Also, Russian officials involved in war crimes in Ukraine will have to appear before an international court.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 29 2021 20: 29
        -4
        If we start, it will not end with Ukraine alone, it will be cheaper.
      2. loki565
        loki565 April 29 2021 20: 48
        -3
        yes, yes, and if a war starts, there will be options, it is Ukraine that has started hostilities and the EU will not do anything, and so on and so on, these are beautiful words and nothing more, like we undertake to fight the greenhouse effect)))
      3. Maikcg
        Maikcg April 29 2021 22: 25
        +7
        In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, Russia undertakes to stop the export of oil and gas to the EU, disconnect the EU from payments from Russia, nationalize European assets in the country, eliminate European patents and licenses and prohibit the entry of European partners into Russia. Also, Ukrainian officials involved in war crimes in Ukraine will appear before a Russian (or Novorossiysk) court with an accusation of genocide of the city's population in the territory of former Ukraine.
    2. Clear
      Clear April 29 2021 22: 32
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Resolution of the European Parliament calls for disconnecting the Russian Federation from SWIFT and abandoning Russian oil and gas

      I wonder what the resolution of Russia will be for the resolution of the European Parliament? winked
  4. Dimy4
    Dimy4 April 29 2021 18: 48
    +9
    Disconnect us from the Sunshine too, so why waste time on trifles.
  5. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2021 18: 49
    +2
    flag in hand, drum on the neck ....
  6. NF68
    NF68 April 29 2021 18: 49
    -1
    and refuse to buy Russian hydrocarbons - oil and gas.


    Everything for the promotion of American LNG and oil to the EU market.
    1. Maikcg
      Maikcg April 29 2021 22: 27
      +2
      Which are not in the required quantity, and what is there will be bought by Asians.
      1. NF68
        NF68 April 30 2021 16: 36
        0
        Quote: MaikCG
        Which are not in the required quantity, and what is there will be bought by Asians.


        And the Americans are not worried about it at all. They have long wanted to put someone in the EU in a puddle. So they are fussing about.
  7. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2021 18: 50
    +7
    abandon Russian oil and gas

  8. Thompson
    Thompson April 29 2021 18: 53
    0
    It's like shooting yourself in the foot at the enemy's evil
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 09
      -6
      Why, they can easily bring down the gas price with these tricks. request
      1. Thompson
        Thompson April 29 2021 19: 16
        +1
        I doubt it. More like a bluff
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 38
          -3
          Perhaps, but in poker, the whole principle of the game is based on bluffing. The market is similar to poker.
      2. den3080
        den3080 April 29 2021 19: 38
        +6
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Why, they can easily bring down the gas price with these tricks. request

        This is why this is such a conclusion?
        If you give up the cheap, you will buy the expensive.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 41
          -5
          Quote: den3080
          This is why this is such a conclusion?

          Since we have practically no alternative where to sell gas, the Power of Siberia pumps less than the declared one, and the EU may still lower the price. We will be forced to accept their terms.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2021 19: 46
            +5
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            where to sell gas

            provide for everyone inside, including industry
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 52
              +5
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              ensure everyone inside

              I absolutely agree.
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              these tricks can only raise the price,

              You haven't bargained for a long time, either buying anything, Vladimir. wink We have practically no alternative sales, and we depend on the proceeds from the sale of gas no less than they depend on our gas.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2021 21: 23
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                You haven't bargained for a long time, either buying anything, Vladimir.

                what trade in a bazaar is, I think I know better than yours, I was born in Central Asia
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 April 29 2021 20: 09
              -3
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              including industry

              Is the industry in short supply?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2021 21: 22
                +5
                Quote: Pilat2009
                Is the industry in short supply?

                actually, yes, in our region greenhouse facilities are heated with coal and fuel oil
          2. den3080
            den3080 April 29 2021 20: 21
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: den3080
            This is why this is such a conclusion?

            Since we have practically no alternative where to sell gas, the Power of Siberia pumps less than the declared one, and the EU may still lower the price. We will be forced to accept their terms.

            In order to agree to some conditions or to offer some conditions, you must have a more advantageous offer.
            As far as I understand, the EU does not have such proposals.
            We have already tried to play even oil for 0. And who was the first to howl? Do you remember by chance? Just those who tried to start a price war. Saudi Arabia followed by the United States. Is not it?
            Now they want to climb on the tree and not to rip their ass off, that is, to force the EU to buy expensive oil and expensive gas by turning off Russia.
            What does this mean? It means a rise in the price of EU products - hello non-competitiveness. And don't tell me that everything is done in China. Not everyone.
            And it also means imitation of life in the EU, for the EU population, which is already barely making ends meet and for several years now, everything was up to the covid, just dashingly “swept under the carpet”.

            Will save only "free" oil and gas. That is, someone urgently needs to rob and live happily ever after on the loot.
            This is possible, but not for such an amorphous structure as the EU.
            In this case, the Americans will cut coupons and get rich, perhaps Tabaki, that is, Great Britain, will also get something.
            And the rest (banderlog) no benefit, from the word "absolutely".
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 20: 29
              -1
              Quote: den3080
              As far as I understand, the EU does not have such proposals.

              How not, what about the pendos? belay And we do not have a monopoly in the EU, remember? And nobody canceled dumping. His pendos can afford.
              Quote: den3080
              We have already tried to play even in oil for 0. And who was the first to howl?

              As far as I remember, we made concessions.
              In addition, the national currency of the CA practically did not sag, unlike us.
            2. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose April 29 2021 21: 25
              +4
              Quote: den3080
              force the EU to buy expensive oil and expensive gas by turning off Russia.
              What does this mean? It means a rise in the price of EU products - hello non-competitiveness.

              And behind the blue-blue Black Sea sits and prays to Allah for the start of the European embargo on Russian oil and gas, one of our "dear friend" who was not accepted in the European Union at one time, who is unlikely to give up such a free opportunity to raise the competitiveness of his goods and speculate with our gas ...
          3. loki565
            loki565 April 29 2021 20: 53
            +2
            Yes, this is a profanation, like in Ukraine, we will not buy gas from you, but we will buy your gas through third intermediaries)))
          4. KCA
            KCA April 30 2021 06: 05
            +1
            How do you bury yourself in the news, do not understand when and where they were sucked, and do not pay attention to anything else, throughout the autumn-winter period the Power of Siberia increased the amount of pumped gas and blocked the calculated parameters, Gazprom faced a problem with a shortage of gas, now frantically looking fields that can be connected, the construction of the Power of Siberia-2 is being studied
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 30 2021 06: 55
              -1
              Even if the Power of Siberia will operate according to the calculated parameters (which is not present in spite of your unsubstantiated statements), there is no alternative to redirecting the volumes of gas that the EU currently consumes. The Asian market does not need so much gas a priori.
              The essence of the conversation about alternative markets that do not exist. And you climbed into the water, not knowing the ford.
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2021 19: 45
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        these tricks can easily bring down the price of gas.

        these tricks can only raise the price, such is the speculative economy
      4. Svarog
        Svarog April 29 2021 21: 50
        -1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Why, they can easily bring down the gas price with these tricks. request

        All this demagoguery is being divorced for this purpose ..
  9. hohohol
    hohohol April 29 2021 18: 56
    +6
    No, well, in fact, take and turn off SWIFT, stop or significantly reduce the supply of oil and gas, for a couple of months, in winter, for the sake of pure interest. And why not, because they themselves want it, why should we resist?
    1. Incomprehensible
      Incomprehensible April 29 2021 19: 14
      0
      "to stop or significantly reduce the supply of oil and gas, for a couple of months, in winter, for the sake of pure interest"

      It is foolish to use the possibility of supplying energy resources from Russia to Europe as a tool of blackmail and pressure.
      1. hohohol
        hohohol April 29 2021 19: 21
        0
        What blackmail, what are you talking about? This is the demand of the European Parliament - to turn off SWIFT, to stop oil and gas supplies. Well, let's go to meet the European Parliament, satisfy, at least not for a long time, their desires. For the sake of seeing what will come of their venture?
        1. den3080
          den3080 April 29 2021 19: 40
          +1
          Quote: hohohol
          What blackmail, what are you talking about? This is the demand of the European Parliament - to turn off SWIFT, to stop oil and gas supplies. Well, let's go to meet the European Parliament, satisfy, at least not for a long time, their desires. For the sake of seeing what will come of their venture?

          We must go to meet the suffering. No regrets.
        2. Incomprehensible
          Incomprehensible April 29 2021 20: 29
          -1
          "What blackmail, what are you talking about?"

          Their job is to talk about, especially with regard to Russia. The task of Russia is to remain a reliable supplier of energy resources for Western consumers, regardless of the desires of certain individuals to present our country as an unreliable partner. Andestend?
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 29 2021 20: 11
      -6
      Quote: hohohol
      And why not, because they themselves want it, why should we resist?

      Yes, you are a masochist. The market will quickly be filled by other players, for example the United States. Then the Saudis will happily withdraw from the agreement on limiting production
      1. Soldatov V.
        Soldatov V. April 30 2021 04: 01
        -1
        Now we are masochists, they mock us as they want, and when we end our relationship with them, we will move into the category of sadists, we will freeze their ears and make them go skiing instead of driving.
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  10. Strashila
    Strashila April 29 2021 18: 56
    +1
    That, winter is over, now you can get out.
  11. 6erJIblu
    6erJIblu April 29 2021 18: 58
    -2
    Bees against honey ...
  12. Basarev
    Basarev April 29 2021 19: 00
    -4
    It's not that simple. The EU has alternative suppliers who are ready to multiply the export of hydrocarbons right tomorrow - Azerbaijan, the Arabian monarchies, there are legends about Iran, which has almost been freed from fuel sanctions, American LNG, again ... the most popular. That is, Europe will not freeze, and there will be plenty of chemicals to use. But Russia, having lost its largest sales market, having lost all its currency and its main source of income, risks sliding down to the level of the DPRK. Do you want that?
    1. hohohol
      hohohol April 29 2021 19: 04
      +1
      And how much is American LNG in the bazaar?
    2. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh April 29 2021 19: 05
      +1
      We want this oil and gas to be processed ONLY in Russia.
    3. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 05
      +7
      The fact that the Russian Federation has alternative sales markets is irrelevant? That it is not easy to change important import / export structures? It will affect everyone. But, I suppose, no one will persuade the lackeys. To harm the enemy, I will frostbitten my ears.
      Those sources of alternative energy are deeply subsidized and will remain the same, the energies of the future are nuclear / thermonuclear, this is understandable to any person with a technical turn of mind.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 29 2021 19: 07
        +1
        These alternative markets will not even gain even half of Europe in total. You should not rely on them.
        1. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 11
          +4
          Asia-Pacific, to begin with, as the world center of the future. Who you shouldn't hope for is one billion out of almost eight billion.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev April 29 2021 19: 17
            -1
            These are poor countries, the number of inhabitants does not compensate. And besides, I very well remember completely similar deliveries of weapons to those regions. For a non-repayable loan. So it's clearly not worth dealing with that vile region.
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 19
              +4
              Beggars? PRC, RYUK are catastrophically poor, I will not further discuss this topic with the embodiment of incompetence, do not bother me to read the article Conversion of ICBMs into launch vehicles. Problems and Prospects.
              1. Basarev
                Basarev April 29 2021 19: 26
                +3
                South Korea will not buy our gas for political reasons, and it alone will not be able to give the same amount of dough. And China isn't such a friend, wake up. He has obligatory political conditions in every, I repeat, every foreign contract. In our situation, realizing his indispensability, he will be especially arrogant. There will be an unfavorable price, and again political concessions, it may even come to the transfer of land. And most importantly, what I'm trying to convey is that the yuan bondage is no better than the dollar bond.
                1. Victor Tsenin
                  Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 32
                  +3
                  I finished reading. Do you know many Chinese people? And I didn't focus on the PRC, right? So I will say, if you are wise, you can and should deal with an Asian. China, South Korea and India are fully negotiable with a proper negotiator.
                  And attention to the number of population and prospects, the APR, as I wrote earlier, is the future and it is there that the deserved place of the Russian Federation.
                  1. Basarev
                    Basarev April 29 2021 19: 47
                    -1
                    I do not want to strengthen India and especially China at the expense of Russian resources, looking like a wolf at our priceless lands. And besides the economy, politics also interferes here, already from our side. To transfer all efforts to the APR, to gain a foothold there, means to recognize Russia as an Asian country, a land of poverty, backwardness, lawlessness and barbarism. And I cannot agree to this, especially considering that the Russians are a European people and Russia is a European country.
                    1. Victor Tsenin
                      Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 20: 12
                      +4
                      Which country doesn't want to grab more? And those brought by you wish and you would wish me too, but making money at the expense of these countries we will become stronger and desires will remain wishes. I am a practitioner, which is what I wish for you)
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 06
                      0
                      Even in a nightmare, the EU will not refuse Russian raw materials and oil and gas, and yes, the statements of certain individuals in the European Parliament are purely advisory in nature.
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day April 29 2021 20: 14
                    -5
                    Quote: Victor Tsenin
                    China, South Korea and India are fully negotiable with a proper negotiator.

                    Judging by the agreements, the negotiators are useless
                    1. Victor Tsenin
                      Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 20: 18
                      0
                      This is absolutely true, therefore, we are talking about good negotiators, not about sons and nieces.
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day April 29 2021 20: 19
                        -3
                        Quote: Victor Tsenin
                        This is absolutely true, therefore, we are talking about good negotiators, not about sons and nieces.

                        And where will you find good ones then, if the bosses have attached their children to key posts?
                      2. Victor Tsenin
                        Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 20: 28
                        +5
                        I am not looking for and will not find, I have voiced a fact that you already know.
                        But in connection with-why does not topwar hold its own forum? Personally, I found out about the resource, thanks to my grandmother, my grandmother watched TV, where the abstracts of this resource were broadcast at the bottom of the screen, I was very impressed and now I joined an excellent community) The question is, what prevents to make a general gathering, with any ingredients for the heart of a Russian man (new information, new connections, new ideas)?
                      3. Anzhey V.
                        Anzhey V. April 29 2021 21: 13
                        +1
                        But in connection with-why does not topwar hold its own forum?


                        Cool idea, by the way. The only pity is that hardly anyone will go to implement it ...
                      4. Victor Tsenin
                        Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 21: 19
                        +2
                        If you want, you can also state. to receive support, for it is an exceptionally useful and noble cause. And I regret that, exactly the opposite, I understood you about the UAZ, it happens to me)
                      5. Anzhey V.
                        Anzhey V. April 29 2021 21: 25
                        +3
                        It's okay, Victor, anything can happen)

                        If you want, you can also state. get support


                        I'm afraid that at this stage the problems will begin - such an event cannot be arranged without state support, and with it ... well, most likely, there will be nothing superfluous to say there (to put it mildly).

                        Everything will turn into a bunch of lackeys to offer thanks to those same sons and nieces, so that they would be empty.

                        But it's a good idea. I really like it)
                      6. Victor Tsenin
                        Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 21: 27
                        +3
                        Well, if it comes to that, then there is nothing superfluous, everything is on the case. Thank you for your understanding)

                        And m. someone close to managing the resource will throw up this idea, do the favor?
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 April 29 2021 20: 38
            +1
            India has confirmed, from the end of 2021, (a contract of $ 5 billion at the exchange rate in rubles) С400, the first deliveries of the complex will be carried out. This is what the covid is doing, and our humanitarian aid.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 29 2021 20: 11
        -3
        Quote: Basarev
        And China is not such a friend, wake up.

        Already and even now ..
        China in 2020 took investments in the Russian economy. Direct investment from China fell 52% to $ 1,83 billion in the third quarter of last year, according to the central bank. Direct investment in the capital of Russian companies dropped to $ 480 million. Thus, China accounts for only 0,4% of direct investment in Russia. This is nine times less than the volume of German investments in the Russian economy.
        To keep China close to itself, the price of Russian gas for China dropped to an all-time low - $ 118,5 per thousand cubic meters. This conclusion was reached in "Interfax", having studied the data of Chinese customs statistics for January 2021. Blue fuel has dropped in price for China by 5,9% compared to the fourth quarter of 2020 and 35% since last spring. In money it is $ 63,5.
        From this, we can conclude that at the height of the pandemic in the spring of 2020, Russian gas for the Celestial Empire cost $ 182 per thousand cubic meters. Nothing prevented Turkmenistan from selling gas to the Chinese for $ 187 in January this year. Even for Belarus, the price was $ 128,5 per thousand cubic meters.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 09
          -1
          The Power of Siberia Project 2 has been approved and its implementation is being prepared.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 29 2021 21: 34
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Power of Siberia Project 2

            There is no gas under the pipe. Long known fact
      3. New Year day
        New Year day April 29 2021 20: 15
        -3
        Quote: Basarev
        In our situation, realizing his indispensability, he will be especially arrogant. There will be an unfavorable price, and again political concessions, it may even come to the transfer of land.

        This is the case even now:
        "The leadership of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation at the end of February announced that 15% of the liquid part of the National Wealth Fund was converted into 110,5 billion yuan by reducing the share of the dollar and the euro (up to 35% for each currency). The Ministry of Finance allocated $ 17 billion for this transaction. but as soon as the yuan were bought, China dropped the yuan.
        As early as February, the investment in the foreign exchange portion of the NWF was unprofitable. The liquid part of the fund - that is, the money that has not yet been spent placed on foreign currency accounts with the Central Bank - brought "a negative return of minus $ 50 million," or 3,7 billion rubles, reported the Ministry of Finance.

        At the end of March, the loss from exchange rate differences amounted to another $ 300 million, according to calculations by finanz.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 11
          -2
          No one cashed money - all this remained to continue to work on the stock exchanges, which means that in fact no one really lost anything today, it fell, it took off tomorrow.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 29 2021 21: 33
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            No one cashed money - all this remained to continue to work on the stock exchanges, which means that in fact no one really lost anything today fell tomorrow

            You tell this to those who converted rubles into dollars at 62 and those who bought at 77. The number of dollars has not changed, and the ruble mass is very even
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 10
    -1
    Quote: Victor Tsenin
    The fact that the Russian Federation has alternative sales markets is irrelevant?

    What?
    1. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 11
      +1
      See above. And, it is somewhat unclear why ask a question, the answer to which is obvious.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 36
        -5
        The above opponent also pointed out to you the groundlessness of your arguments. China already today does not choose the amount of gas specified in the contract. This is taking into account the fact that the Power of Siberia will pay off in 30 years only if the contractual volume of gas is pumped.
        And the answer is "obvious" only when it is visible to his eyes. You are only talking about the intended directions.
        1. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 39
          +4
          He does not choose, not so long ago there was a scandal that we cannot provide the declared. https://www.chita.ru/blogs/zatirko/146763/
          I have no opponents, I do not have a soul in topwar, sensible polemics are not opposition.
          However, we are solving this issue with other resources.
          I'm talking about the supposed ones, as we are discussing the future, do not cling to and do not be trifles.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 47
            -2
            Yes, I do not cling to, and the opponent is called the second side of the dialogue with different opinions. I want to offer you my link, I think it is more objective.
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 55
              +4
              Opponent is the second side in the dispute, I do not argue, I have argued my point of view. Speaking down to earth, firstly, Russia has everything, secondly, we can do a lot (MMM), thirdly, demand is growing and will continue to grow, fourthly, we can offer a lot, fifthly, the Asia-Pacific region loves us (from personal experience), sixth, the Russian Federation does not and never has, and most importantly, there will be no sales problems. I am sorry that we are not at the table with meat and a megalith of moonshine presented to me.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 20: 10
                -3
                I promised a link, but forgot to insert it. repeat
                https://kapital--rus-ru.turbopages.org/kapital-rus.ru/s/articles/article/kitai_otkazalsya_ot_gaza_iz_rossii/
                Quote: Victor Tsenin
                I have argued my point of view.

                And so it was repeated several times! bully
                Quote: Victor Tsenin
                I am sorry that we are not at the table with meat and a megalith of moonshine presented to me.

                Oh, if I pull my stash of moonshine on the table, we will not survive. laughing Liters 20 different different grades. bully (I'm a moonshiner myself)
                1. Victor Tsenin
                  Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 20: 13
                  0
                  We will survive, I will read the article, thanks!)
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 29 2021 20: 12
        -6
        Quote: Victor Tsenin
        See above

        see below
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Basarev
        And China is not such a friend, wake up.

        Already and even now ..
        China in 2020 took investments in the Russian economy. Direct investment from China fell 52% to $ 1,83 billion in the third quarter of last year, according to the central bank. Direct investment in the capital of Russian companies dropped to $ 480 million. Thus, China accounts for only 0,4% of direct investment in Russia. This is nine times less than the volume of German investments in the Russian economy.
        To keep China close to itself, the price of Russian gas for China dropped to an all-time low - $ 118,5 per thousand cubic meters. This conclusion was reached in "Interfax", having studied the data of Chinese customs statistics for January 2021. Blue fuel has dropped in price for China by 5,9% compared to the fourth quarter of 2020 and 35% since last spring. In money it is $ 63,5.
        From this, we can conclude that at the height of the pandemic in the spring of 2020, Russian gas for the Celestial Empire cost $ 182 per thousand cubic meters. Nothing prevented Turkmenistan from selling gas to the Chinese for $ 187 in January this year. Even for Belarus, the price was $ 128,5 per thousand cubic meters.
        1. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 20: 15
          0
          We're not talking about investments here, are we?
          And if you bother to read the entire context, then the devil is not so bad as he is painted.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 29 2021 20: 21
            -1
            Quote: Victor Tsenin
            We're not talking about investments here, are we?

            And this is the system! China is twisting its arms now, and with an embargo or real sanctions, it will simply give you an ultimatum.
            Take a look and appreciate China's views on Kazakhstan. They say about us - the approaches are the same
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 20: 28
              +2
              Hands are twisted only to those who allow themselves to be twisted, right?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 29 2021 20: 40
                -3
                Quote: Victor Tsenin
                Hands are twisted only to those who allow themselves to be twisted, right?

                The video contains the words of a Chinese official: when we demand to repay the debt and you have no money, then we will be forced to protect our economic interests and send troops.
                And you have no shisha in the bank - oil embargo, sanctions. How do you oppose arm twisting?
                1. Victor Tsenin
                  Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 20: 48
                  +2
                  We have everything in the bank, I try, if it's about personal. If about my homeland, we have gigantic funds and minimal debt.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day April 29 2021 21: 31
                    -4
                    Quote: Victor Tsenin
                    If about my homeland, we have gigantic funds and minimal debt.

                    Have you seen these giant funds? Judging by the scanty infusions into the population, there is no money
                  2. Victor Tsenin
                    Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 21: 33
                    -2
                    Well, what does the infusion have to do with it? Sorry, we are not familiar, but personally I am 35 years old and I do not expect any infusions, in my experience 3 in one year and 4 months of work in another year without days off, I do not whine, I make money.

                    As for the funds, I judge by statistics, they exist and they are very good.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 20
                +1
                Russia does not have any significant debts to anyone at the state level, so there is nothing to demand from us and gold reserves under 600 billion. "And you have no shisha in your bank - an oil embargo, sanctions" Yes, no shisha - the fifth economy in the world and GDP at PPP more than 4200 billion dollars. And yes, at the moment, the oil and gas industry brings only 30% to the budget, all the rest, other deductions and revenues.
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice April 30 2021 12: 01
            -1
            I watched the doc movie. China lends to everyone with the condition to build skyscrapers, bridges, etc. Money is returned to China, and borrowing countries are enslaved. Kazakhstan is among them.
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru April 29 2021 19: 14
    +5
    Quote: Basarev
    The EU has alternative suppliers,

    Alternative suppliers can offer, mainly, liquefied gas (and it is more expensive, and it is necessary to build liquefied gas storage facilities, points for converting gas from liquid to gas (I forgot what these points are called), pipelines - in very limited quantities and not to all countries Electricity received at wind and solar stations is much more expensive (3-5 times). And we will sell gas to other countries, and we ourselves need to be supplied with gas.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 19: 49
      -3
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      And we will sell gas to other countries, and we ourselves need to be supplied with gas.

      Where will you supply it in the same volumes? belay
      I agree about my gasification, but it’s a shame that they remembered about it when demand and prices fell on foreign markets.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 April 30 2021 08: 18
        0
        For example, two plants for processing gas into methyl are currently under construction in the Russian Federation. And the demand for methyl is growing in the world. And this is a product with high added value. Moreover, the decision to build these plants was made in light of the possible expansion of sanctions against Russia on oil and gas issues.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 30 2021 08: 25
          -3
          This is good, of course, but the industry needs to be developed as a whole, and not just one that ensures the export of resources.
          It is perplexing that the construction of these factories has been puzzled only now.
          Lack of strategic planning on the face.
          1. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 April 30 2021 08: 40
            +1
            Not really. Until 2008, full integration of Russia into the world economy was assumed. And now a course of confrontation has been taken. Of course, now we understand, in hindsight, that the old course was erroneous, but the "elites" really wanted to become "their own among their own" in the West. Yes, they still want to, they can easily sell us all, as in 1991, if only there is a clever manipulator in the West, which is not a fact.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 29 2021 21: 23
      -1
      Russia has a strategy for the development of hydrogen production until 2035 - up to 4 million tons per year, and the use of this fuel for export in the form of mixing with natural gas becomes more energy-intensive and environmentally friendly.
  • Thompson
    Thompson April 29 2021 19: 18
    +3
    If it were so, they would have turned it into tin long ago. And so these are just sofa horror stories
  • nnm
    nnm April 29 2021 19: 19
    +8
    Can you confirm these words with figures? With unfulfilled production rates, empty transit volumes for each flow, with data on freight opportunities, LNG processing volumes after acceptance, and empty storage facilities?
    Otherwise you declare so easily that
    The EU has alternative suppliers ready to multiply the export of hydrocarbons tomorrow.

    that I am already amazed.
    Well, try to replace supplies to Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Austria, Romania, Slovenia, etc., where Russian supplies range from 75-100%
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton April 30 2021 07: 01
    0
    Unlike the DPRK, we have no restrictions on resources and territory, therefore we will not live like they ...
    Although, "managers and tiktokers" - perhaps, because they know nothing but a talking shop ... Therefore, it is not relevant to frighten with this stupid stereotype "about the DPRK" ... We are not locked by fifty million dugs on the territory of the service area of ​​the Kaliningrad region.
    But if we simply take national analysis of all the "property of partners" from the West for such steps and let all their "patent rights" go through the beard, then it will hit them much more strongly ...
    It has long been clear where all their "standard of living" came from in 90-2010. They ate in three throats from the corpse of the USSR and CMEA. Now I want to eat again, and therefore the sanctions are under a far-fetched prelude. Even children already understand where what is coming from and where ... whether you want something there or not
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin April 29 2021 19: 03
    +1
    Will the so-called EU pay for resources and goods with bags and boxes of currency? There is no limit to stupidity.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 29 2021 19: 03
    +1
    They forgot to ban the Russian language.
  • faterdom
    faterdom April 29 2021 19: 06
    +1
    Refuse, of course. And we'll look at you then .... Chatterboxes.
    1. opuonmed
      opuonmed April 29 2021 19: 17
      +1
      the Russian Federation has the advantage of resources and the main thing for people to use it wisely!
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 29 2021 19: 09
    +5
    The funny thing is that with a normal approach, by the fall in Russia they will forget about the "swift", he is not Jonathan laughing
    But a geyropa without Russian oil and gas will not even sit in a puddle, but in a snowdrift of naked opi, which I sincerely wish them.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 29 2021 19: 10
    +5
    Meanwhile, on April 29, the Russian-German raw materials forum is being held. The Germans noted the reliability of our supplies. Since the start of the Urengoy Pomary Uzhgorod gas pipeline, more than a trillion cubic meters of gas have been supplied to Germany. Germany is ready to invest 2 billion euros in the Russian-German projects for the production of hydrogen. The dogs are howling, the caravan is on its way.
  • Blond84
    Blond84 April 29 2021 19: 13
    0
    Immortals seem to be. Oh, how they rage that. It is interesting how much gas will rise in price for the population and production in the transition to American democratic gas. Oh, and there will be a heat in the relationship. Especially in cold winters
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed April 29 2021 19: 14
    +1
    they do everything according to the plan in their own way!
  • Dizel200
    Dizel200 April 29 2021 19: 21
    0
    All this is demagoguery, but the EP needs to answer for its bazaar. It is impossible to remain silent. Impose sanctions who proposed and accepted it, or something else. To think before chatting.
  • xorek
    xorek April 29 2021 19: 25
    -1
    and abandon Russian oil and gas

    Well, if so, then Ukraine first turn off the tap and watch .. In general, Europe at the head of the United States went berserk .. They do not have enough Hitler again?
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 29 2021 19: 30
    +2
    Who then believes that our deputies are sheep? In truth, in the EU, deputies are selected according to the principle: stupidity increases the chance, the dumber the more chances to choose.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 April 29 2021 22: 18
      0
      Well, at least some of our laws are enacted, but these do not solve anything
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev April 30 2021 07: 54
        +1
        It's just that they are different systems. EP is an unnecessary talking shop for idiots, a kind of leper colony for marginalized people: we got together, talked, came up with no interesting initiatives and ran away to PR at home, like we're so cool ..
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 29 2021 19: 33
    -1
    To partners of partners, Lisbon-Vladivostok people, admirers of the CE and "investment forums" - big greetings from the EU! wassat
    European "partners" offer "Europhiles" from the Russian Federation to lower contacts to the level of Cuban-US ones .... It is a pity that "our" authorities are not capable, by their very nature, adequately to respond to this political blackmail.
  • FrankyStein
    FrankyStein April 29 2021 19: 34
    -2
    The more sanctions, restrictions and threats, the less reason to keep the cannons covered. In the West, they are well aware that there are not many of these reasons left.
  • Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. April 29 2021 19: 41
    +1
    Well, if after the revolution for ten years we did not communicate with anyone at all, now we will somehow survive
  • iouris
    iouris April 29 2021 19: 42
    0
    It is high time, otherwise some people still hope to enter Oyropa in parts.
  • Antidote
    Antidote April 29 2021 19: 53
    -6
    The naive authorities of the Russian Federation and their admirers believe that the light has come together like a wedge on energy resources from the Russian Federation? The Saudis will only say thank you and will gladly notice the deliveries.
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 April 29 2021 20: 30
      +5
      Quote: Antidote
      The Saudis will only say thank you and will gladly notice the deliveries.

      Are the Saudis able to meet the world's oil market needs and how long will they last?
      1. Antidote
        Antidote April 30 2021 06: 10
        0
        Easily. The Russian Federation occupies 12% of world production. Even if the Saudis are not taken out in one person, then it will not be difficult to scatter this 12% on everyone else. Do not flatter yourself, this is a solvable issue
        Another thing is that the European Parliament and its decisions do not oblige you to anything, which is probably why all sorts of Tolstoy are so eager to go there.
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 April 30 2021 14: 39
          0
          Quote: Antidote
          Easily. The Russian Federation occupies 12% of world production.

          And how much American oil do the Saudis have, their own oil companies? The pegging of the dollar to oil in the early 60s by the Saudis for beads made the whole world dependent on monopoly green candy wrappers. I would be glad to see an end to this, but only a greedy and hungry mouse ...))
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 29 2021 20: 01
    +2
    Rzhu nimagu))) give up Russian oil and gas, and buy everything from mattress makers and Arabs at exorbitant prices?))) And also, give up Russian grain, titanium, nickel and much more))) and buy it at times more expensive. gay European products will immediately become much more competitive in world markets)))
  • aleks700
    aleks700 April 29 2021 20: 06
    +2
    It's good when you are not responsible for anything. And for your words too. As they say, shake Emelya your week.
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 29 2021 20: 11
    +2
    Quote: Basarev
    ... Plus, the work on inexhaustible sources of energy is fruitfully going on, the sun and wind are only the most popular. That is, Europe will not freeze ...

    All this is, as you put it, "fruitful" as long as these eccentrics have relatively inexpensive energy sources under their ass. You were deceived about the sun and wind, because for large industrial enterprises this, I apologize, is nothing in the toilet. And as you were told above, these technologies are very costly (production, component life, disposal).
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X April 29 2021 20: 22
    +4
    This is the level of hatred towards Russia. The desire to slow down the development of our country, create unbearable living conditions for the population, destroy the statehood of Russia, overshadows in the minds (or what they have there in their rotten pumpkins) Gayropets and the understanding that profit from the use of cheap energy resources and understanding of the safety and reliability of energy supply in Europe will be missed. And even the ruin of their "beloved" Ukraine from the loss of income from gas transit does not bother the loudmouths at all.
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 April 29 2021 20: 27
      +1
      Russian lands and resources are haunted. The world is corrupt. Remembering Stolypin, I will paraphrase his quote: Corruption will kill this World.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 April 29 2021 20: 24
    +2
    The first one who gave out the pearl about the disconnection was Kravchuk. Then I thought: Meli Emelya ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 29 2021 20: 33
    +1
    This, so that they would not extinguish themselves with the illusion that the United States is bad, and Europe is good
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 29 2021 20: 54
    0
    Everyone goes crazy in his own way.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 29 2021 21: 08
    +2
    Let them wipe themselves with their resolution. It will not be so offensive.
  • Split
    Split April 29 2021 21: 51
    0
    but also refuse to buy Russian hydrocarbons - oil and gas
    The bees voted against honey, there is no way so noble to pollinate our economy! laughing
    Swift? Oh damn, we won't be able to pay for the express ... nurse ... what a grief sad drinks
    Well, they have spring and aggravation ... let's look at these heroes in winter. We have -40, hurray you can not go to school and all the playgrounds are packed with children, and they have 1mm of snow and a catastrophe on a national scale.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 April 29 2021 22: 16
    +1
    Well, what a day today, at first the old one wants to prohibit Russian ships from entering all ports, now this bunch of talkers wants to punish Russia. But none of them make real decisions.
  • dgonni
    dgonni April 29 2021 22: 22
    -4
    This is a warning!
    And this is not a joke!
    You just need to look at the number of voters.
    Is Russia prepared to disable Swift? And are you ready to pay + 15-20% on top of each contract?
    But for the fact that Europe will bend without Russian oil and gas?
    Let there be a semi-annual rise in prices.
    Then everything will settle down, but without Russian oil and gas.
    The Saudis will flood with oil. Qatar and mattresses will just hit your palms.
    This is like the last warning about the game of tanks and saboteurs ..
    And this is very serious!
    1. PROVINCIAL
      PROVINCIAL April 30 2021 01: 25
      0
      I would like to ask. How will this affect you personally? You will pay + 15-20%. Well, Europe will refuse gas and oil, and will turn off SWIFT. Europe will not bend - it will bend, dictating prices for oil and LNG from America. What does it matter to you and me that the joint stock company Gazprom, etc., will not make a profit ?? Since Soviet times, we cannot get off the needle, so at least there will be an incentive.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni April 30 2021 08: 20
        0
        Duc budget will not be. And everything in the country will rise in price by the same 15-20% minimum!
        1. PROVINCIAL
          PROVINCIAL 1 May 2021 01: 16
          0
          Why won't there be a budget? Domestic prices for gasoline and diesel, with a competent government policy (aimed specifically at development), can be "dropped" at times. This will lead to a decrease in the cost of products manufactured in the territory of the Russian Federation, and, accordingly, prices. Explosive growth in infrastructure development. Reducing production costs - increasing income. Increase in solvency. Increasing the competitiveness of goods and, accordingly, quality. Increased demand - production volumes - taxes. The utopia of one dreamer))
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova April 30 2021 09: 01
      +2
      stupidity is not serious)))))))))
    3. Gardener91
      Gardener91 April 30 2021 15: 08
      0
      Quote: dgonni
      And this is very serious!

      And you will look at this situation that way in ... 10 years.
  • PROVINCIAL
    PROVINCIAL April 30 2021 01: 23
    +1
    Let them turn it off. Let them give up hydrocarbons. Domestic prices for gasoline and diesel, with a competent policy of the authorities, can be "dropped" at times. This will lead to a decrease in the cost of products manufactured in the territory of the Russian Federation, and, accordingly, prices. Explosive growth in infrastructure development. But .... do "our elites" want this? Their approach "homeland is where the priest is warm" frankly begins to strain.
    1. Antidote
      Antidote April 30 2021 06: 16
      -1
      The "lost" profits have already been compensated for the poor oilmen from the budget, what kind of competent policy can we talk about here?
      People are new oil, and they will be milked.
  • riwas
    riwas April 30 2021 03: 51
    +2
    Europe will not be able to disconnect Russia from SWIFT without approval from the United States. And the United States, using this system, buys titanium from Russia, heavy oil, on which the American economy is sharpened, and much more.
    1. Antidote
      Antidote April 30 2021 06: 18
      +1
      Titanium is perhaps the only thing that is of interest to the United States, and if it cuts, it will be a story like the RD-180.
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov April 30 2021 03: 52
    0
    ***
    You don't know how to SWIFT in the water, don't make a fish laugh ...
    ***
  • sen
    sen April 30 2021 06: 31
    +1
    Actually SWIFT is a private commercial organization.
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 30 2021 08: 23
    +3
    I can imagine what the price of oil and gas will be when our oil products leave the market.
  • Esaul
    Esaul April 30 2021 09: 26
    +1
    If Russia supplied them with air, the Americans would have ordered them to give up the air as well.
    It is necessary to double gasification within the country and increase oil and gas supplies to the east. Then supplies to the west can be stopped, and in 2-5 years the empty territory up to the Atlantic Ocean can be annexed.
  • Desperado
    Desperado April 30 2021 11: 41
    -1
    Quote: Vadim237
    Russia does not have any significant debts to anyone at the state level, so there is nothing to demand from us and gold and foreign exchange reserves under 600 billion ..


    The state debt of Russia in 2020 increased by 39,9%, to 18,99 trillion rubles. and amounted to 17,8% of GDP. This is stated in the materials of the Accounts Chamber.
    “The state debt of the Russian Federation in 2020 increased by 5418,2 billion rubles, or by 39,9%, and amounted to 18 985,6 billion rubles. (17,8% of GDP) ”, reports the Accounts Chamber.
    At the same time, domestic debt increased by 4,6 trillion rubles, to 14,791 trillion rubles. External debt in foreign currency increased by $ 1,9 billion to $ 56,8 billion (4,195 trillion rubles).

    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/60358ace9a7947dcf9a61619

    Quote: Vadim237
    Yes, no shisha - the fifth economy in the world and GDP in PPP more than 4200 billion dollars.


    Enough reading on the manual, GDP by PPP (48th place between Greece and Croatia).
  • 1536
    1536 April 30 2021 21: 12
    0
    Yes, it must be admitted with regret that this "swift", oil and gas have become closer and more expensive to us than Ukraine. On the one hand, this is the "merit" of Ukraine itself and its citizens, but the breakdown of relations and mutual claims is always the fault of each of the parties. Perhaps one should pay more attention to the EP's statements, and change priorities, and not be afraid of the threats of these Euro-blackmailers.
  • bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 1 May 2021 13: 31
    0
    It should be noted that the EU is not a homogeneous organization with extremely aggressive limitrophes and moderate states of old Europe. But what is Russia doing by participating in these organizations, is not comprehensible to the mind, or are we pretending that we are in the thick of events and are not "isolated" from the "whole" world, as the new Uropeitsi want?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 May 2021 15: 45
    0
    Good idea ... disable .....
    1. What to notice?
    2. For what currency will the Russian Federation start selling its resources?
    3. How can you then influence the Russian Federation in small border conflicts?