DPR authorities will take away real estate and land from Ukrainians

The long-awaited decision

The head of the DPR Denis Pushilin signed a long-awaited decree, according to which it will be approved

"The procedure for identifying, accounting and accepting ownerless immovable things and escheat property into municipal ownership."

That is, the dwelling houses and premises abandoned by the owners, farm buildings, land plots and unfinished buildings, as well as other property that is not real estate, will soon become the property of the republic. The innovation will also affect the property of deceased citizens, of course, in the absence of legal heirs.

The ability of the republican authorities to bring to mind the numerous unfinished buildings raises some doubts (it is not entirely clear whether this makes sense at all in today's circumstances). On the other hand, numerous objects suitable for use as housing (or almost ready-made) will help to solve the problem of providing housing for young (and not only) specialists, military personnel, war veterans, large families, etc.

Again, thanks to this measure, it will be possible to prepare normal housing for refugees and displaced persons, and at the same time more or less put things in order in cities full of abandoned buildings, and sometimes construction sites with equipment and building materials. Use apartments for their intended purpose, which are now a serious problem for public utilities (for example, in order to change the riser or carry out other work involving penetration into abandoned housing, you have to overcome a lot of bureaucratic delays). And at the same time to plant or lease the land overgrown with weeds.

Baba Yaga against

Against the background of the numerous advantages that the long-awaited decision will bring, the moaning in the networks about the fact that “officials can use this to get rich". Firstly, today the real estate market in the DPR is oversaturated, prices are extremely low, and demand is minimal. How exactly officials will be enriched (and what prevented them from doing this earlier) is an extremely controversial question. Unless they will take turns living in countless houses and apartments - even finding tenants today is a problem.

In the end, even if they were enriched, to hell with him - we will not be asked anyway! But we are talking about some completely unrealistic areas, especially with regard to the housing stock. A small fraction of this housing and these buildings will be enough to finally and completely solve the notorious housing problem in the republic. To provide all those in need, to give to all worthy people, to allocate to all specialists, and there will still be "growth".

Although, of course, there is no doubt that now there will be a howl, generously paid by the owners who fled to Ukraine, about how “Pushilin and Co are cashing in on the reform” and how all this is wrong and untimely. Right now, it will be possible to write down each screamer by name in a notebook, so that later you can ask how much he was paid. Honestly, it is very curious - what will be the reason for your protest?

Has nationalization failed?

It should be admitted that the nationalization promised back in 2014 can be considered a failure. Under Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky, industry worked for the Ukrainian oligarchs and paid the “war tax” to the Ukrainian budget, which was returned to the DPR in the form of shells. After March 2017, the flagships of the industry began to work under the auspices of Vneshtorgservice, and it is not clear where the revenues went and where they go. In the overwhelming majority of cases, "factories-ships", and most importantly - huge land plots and countless squares of living space, remained in the hands of the former owners. If today the republic manages to wisely dispose of this wealth, it will get a chance not only once and, in fact, forever to solve the housing problem and replenish its assets with the same equipment, building materials, etc., but also to start a new attempt at nationalization.

As for the departed owners - let them be discouraged. Anyone who was honest enough to come to the DPR from time to time and pay taxes or a communal flat can only once again praise themselves for their sagacity. The rest will have to wave a pen to their assets.

Comments

[Vladimir61]

It is high time! Only to streamline the order of obtaining or improving conditions, so that it does not work out as always - bureaucrats, confidants, relatives and your beloved. First of all, put the families of the perished militias and servicemen of the NM, the second on the list should be the servicemen themselves and their families, since among them there are many who arrived from Ukraine. Naturally, they left their apartments there and they were taken away from them long ago. Many volunteers have started families and also need apartments.

[210ox]

I do not think there is an abandoned housing stock in decent condition, in which people can be settled after renovation. Most likely the same as in the photo. Which obviously needs to be demolished. And these are expenses that are unlikely to be spent in the DPR. Here I was leafing through the data on demography in the republics, entirely Ukrainian data, showing that the population has decreased very slightly. But I see how many people, tens of thousands, leave from there to Russia for a new place of residence.

[210ox]

Yes Yes. Unfortunately this is the case. Krasnodar region. In 2020, not the best year for moving to the region from the CIS countries, 19 with a half thousand people moved. Half from Ukraine and the lion's share of LDNR. An even greater flow goes to both capitals, well, and behind them is the black earthly eon - Belgorod region, Voronezh, etc. It's unpleasant, I don't like it, but it's a fact. The reasons are war ad infinitum, disorder, lack of work and prospects. And most importantly, people saw the vague position of Russia in relation to the Republics.

[Bshkaus]

And most importantly, people saw the vague position of Russia in relation to the Republics.

indistinct, this is when incomprehensible, everything is very clear here - they were stupidly thrown and raped.

[Professor]

That is, the dwelling houses and premises abandoned by the owners, farm buildings, land plots and unfinished buildings, as well as other property that is not real estate, will soon become the property of the republic.

Cool. The inviolability of private property no longer means anything. Usually it comes back like a boomerang.

PS
Abandoned in 1948-m Arabs at home in Haifa. The limitation period has not expired and no one encroaches on them.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

Cool. The inviolability of private property no longer means anything. Usually it comes back like a boomerang.

After the war, after the war, how much sacred private property was taken away from the Nazis, will you also lament, or is it different?

[Professor]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: professor

Cool. The inviolability of private property no longer means anything. Usually it comes back like a boomerang.

After the war, after the war, how much sacred private property was taken away from the Nazis, will you also lament, or is it different?

Do not slander the locals who left their homes and moved to the Russian Federation. Are they Nazis? And if they moved to Ukraine, then they became Nazis?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

Do not slander the locals who left their homes and moved to the Russian Federation. Are they Nazis?

Do not drag the houses abandoned by the Arabs and no one will remember the Nazis.

Quote: professor

The limitation period has not expired and no one encroaches on them.

Are there such problems with housing in Israel, what would the klopovniki settle for? And what will happen to these houses when the statute of limitations expires?

Anyone who was honest enough to appear in the DPR from time to time and pay taxes or a communal apartment can only praise themselves for their sagacity once again.

In general, debtors from all over the world are being evicted and their homes sold.

[Professor]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Do not drag the houses abandoned by the Arabs and no one will remember the Nazis.

In the garden of Elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Are there such problems with housing in Israel, what would the klopovniki settle for? And what will happen to these houses when the statute of limitations expires?

There is no problem with housing, but there are always those who experience difficulties with this. You have people living in barracks too. What will happen to these houses after the expiration of the statute of limitations will be decided by the court, not the official.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

In general, debtors from all over the world are being evicted and their homes sold.

Debts for what? They do not use water, light and sewage. There is no need to take out garbage from them either ...

[Mik13]

Quote: professor

Debts for what? They do not use water, light and sewage. There is no need to take out garbage from them either ...

For heating, for the current maintenance of the premises, for the maintenance of the adjacent territory (if we are talking about an apartment in an apartment building).
For garbage disposal, payment is charged on a subscription basis, and not after the fact. I haven’t come across a counter on a garbage bin yet.
Actually, gas, electricity and water are paid for by the meters. If the counters are generally installed and registered correctly.

And if a separate house for 7 years in the Donetsk climate stood without heating in winter and without supervision, then it is not a fact that this building will be helped by major repairs.

[Professor]

He did not use heating, nor did he use the adjacent territory (a certificate of another place of residence is attached). I didn’t produce garbage as I lived in another city. what accounts? For what did you not use?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Exactly, what relation do abandoned Arab houses have to abandoned houses, abandoned land, etc. in the LPR? Correctly no.

Direct relationship. It is called "the inviolability of private property."

Quote: Vladimir_2U

and yours Over the past few months, Israel has adopted 16 orders to evict Palestinian families, and in two cases single mothers with children were left without the right to housing. Most of the evicted Palestinians have lived in their homes for decades, many as owners. And the LDNR will decide on the basis of the law, which is going to be adopted in the LDNR.

You forgot to tell us that you evicted illegal developers who built houses without permission. A single mother can build where she wants and how she wants? A rhetorical question.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

This is your warmth, heating is not required, and apparently there is no need to pay any taxes on real estate. Is not it?

It is warm in summer, but in winter it also snows. You need to heat it, but if you didn't heat it, then you don't pay. Real estate taxes must be paid when buying or selling it.
Private property in Israel is sacred otherwise all almshouses belonging to the Russian Orthodox Church would have been nationalized long ago. At the request of the workers.

Quote: Sergey Karasev

Debts for what? They do not use water, light and sewage. There is no need to take out garbage from them either ...

Real estate tax in Israel is not paid? And if they do, the amount owed hasn't exceeded the residual value of these houses?

Real estate tax is paid only when buying or selling it. If you are talking about municipal tax, then for non-payment it is impossible to pick up the property through any court, even if the amount owed exceeds the value of the property a million times. Private property is sacred.

[for]

Quote: Mik13

For garbage disposal, payment is charged on a subscription basis, and not after the fact. I haven’t come across a counter on a garbage bin yet.

Samara accruals per square meters / cubic meter meters.

[Bshkaus]

And if a separate house for 7 years in the Donetsk climate stood without heating in winter and without supervision, then it is not a fact that this building will be helped by major repairs.

The houses belong to Ukrainians and they are decorated in Ukraine! LDNR nobody recognized how it is possible to legally pay taxes to someone who is not clear?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

Do not drag the houses abandoned by the Arabs and no one will remember the Nazis.
In the garden of Elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle.

Exactly, what relation do abandoned Arab houses have to abandoned houses, abandoned land, etc. in the LPR? Correctly no.

Quote: professor

You have people living in barracks too. What will happen to these houses after the expiration of the statute of limitations will be decided by the court, not the official.

and you Over the past few months, Israel has adopted 16 orders to evict Palestinian families, and in two cases single mothers with children were left without the right to housing. Most of the evicted Palestinians have lived in their homes for decades, many as owners... And the LDNR will decide on the basis of the law, which is going to be adopted in the LDNR.

Quote: professor

Debts for what? They do not use water, light and sewage. There is no need to take out garbage from them either ...

This is your warmth, heating is not required, and apparently there is no need to pay any taxes on real estate. Is not it?

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Debts for what? They do not use water, light and sewage. There is no need to take out garbage from them either ...

Real estate tax in Israel is not paid? And if they do, the amount owed hasn't exceeded the residual value of these houses?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

In general, debtors from all over the world are being evicted and their homes sold.

With the subsequent payment of the amount remaining after repayment of the debt from the sold property of the debtor from the auction ... there is such a principle of proportionality .. have not heard ... or did the inspectors remove the sheepskin coat in your tram for free travel?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lara Croft

With the subsequent payment of the amount remaining after the repayment of the debt from the sold property of the debtor from the auction ... there is such a principle of proportionality ... have not heard

With payment, yes, but does that mean that eviction ceases to be eviction?

Quote: Lara Croft

Have the controllers removed the sheepskin coat in your tram for free travel?

What kind of troll you are so-so. For free travel on the tram from the tram is evicted! No, haven't you?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

With payment, yes,

..... in your commentary about this not a word, as well as about the possibility of the debtor to repay the debt, you have everything according to Sharikov: "take everything and share"

What kind of troll you are so-so.

well, who are you, I would also say, but I'm afraid they'll be banned again ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lara Croft

. in your commentary about this not a word, as well as about the possibility of the debtor to pay off the debt, you have everything according to Sharikov: "take everything and share"

Well, develop your imagination and attention, because there are words all over the world are evicting and selling their homes.And I am not obliged to each "concerned" to analyze every case of eviction in the world from a legal and financial point of view.

Quote: Lara Croft

What kind of troll you are so-so.
Well, who are you, I would also say, but I'm afraid they'll be banned again ..

Well, if you are shy, then I will suggest options: "Bazaar grandma"; "Gender chauvinist"; "Intolerant dirty trick"; "Olginsky troll" or "LDNRovskoe bottom". Underline what you want. Or hug the Professor and cry over the disadvantaged ukrosostvennikov.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

every eviction case in the world from a legal and financial point of view.

So about this article! Maybe I want to buy a house in the DPR on the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov, but then there is a movement with the alienation of private property from orphans ...
Article 294 of the Civil Code of the DPR indicates cases of termination of ownership, in our case (the situations indicated in the author's article), this is clause 1 of part 2 of this article ...
https://pravodnr.ru/lawdnr/zakonyi/grazhdanskiy-kodeks-dnr-2020-god/glava-16-prekrashhenie-prava-sobstvennosti/
I don’t know how the senior comrades will accrue debt in the conditions of hostilities ... therefore ... until the DPR is recognized by the Russian Federation, all real estate transactions on the territory of the DPR are in limbo, so I will not buy anything there ... all the more so. such a transaction in the Russian Federation will be invalidated ...
On the Ukrainian site, I found information about the upcoming mess and lawlessness:

If the owner does not appear within the specified period:
⁃ within 5 days, the administration draws up an act on the impossibility of establishing the owner,
⁃ organizes the collection of technical and other documents for the transfer of the object for municipal use.
After the registration of real estate as ownerless, this is recorded on the administration website.
The property becomes municipal property in the form of an acceptance certificate.
In total, as we can see, 75 days are allotted for this process, plus the time to establish the owner of the property.
But even after one year after that, the citizen can apply to the local court for the transfer of property to municipal ownership and challenge this decision.
In the event that a person proves ownership, a requirement will be sent to him to maintain the premises in proper form. He will also have to bear the costs of maintaining it. The calculation is made by the administration. That is, you can seriously "get" on the money.

Source: Gorlovskaya Mosaic
More details: http://mozaika.dn.ua/news/officialno/363772-ostatsya-bez-kvartiry-za-75-dney-v-dnr-nachinaetsya-masshtabnaya-nacionalizaciya-broshennoy-nedvizhimosti.html

"Olginsky troll"

Who is this?

hug the Professor

I see no reason for this, tk. Israeli Jews do not want to return to the working people of the SAR of the Golan and the water sources near them ....
However, I agree with most of his comments in this article ...

and cry over the disadvantaged ukrosostvennikami.

The problem is that the decisions of the DPR authorities also concern the citizens of the DPR, and most importantly the citizens of the Russian Federation, of whom there are half a million ... but you don't think you give a damn about that ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lara Croft

But even after one year thereafter a citizen can apply to a local court on the transfer of property to municipal ownership and challenge this decision.
When, if a person proves ownership, he will be sent a request for the maintenance of the premises in proper form. He will also have to bear the costs of maintaining it. The calculation is made by the administration. That is, you can seriously "get" on the money.

You master your own text, and then read.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

You master your own text, and then read.

This is not my text, but the Russian legislator prescribed in the Civil Code of the Russian Federation ...
If you have nothing to add, but apart from trolling, "then here is God, here is the threshold." ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lara Croft

This is not my text, but the Russian legislator prescribed in the Civil Code of the Russian Federation ...

Which one put in whooo?

Quote: Lara Croft

If you have nothing to add, but apart from trolling, "then here is God, here is the threshold." ..

And what was it to climb, what would then show offenders?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Which one put in whooo?

Not in the subject? Justify?

And what was it to climb, what would then show offenders?

Judging by your comments, offended on the forum, it's only you ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lara Croft

Not in the subject? Justify?

You should be gender-oriented first, Laro.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

You should be gender-oriented first, Laro.

It is understandable that another troll merged ... he was blathering for a whole day ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lara Croft

It is clear that another troll merged ... he was blathering for a whole day ..

Where do such wretched people come from, from which San Francisco ?!

Quote: Lara Croft

Which one put in whooo?
Not in the subject? Justify?

Quote: Lara Croft

On the Ukrainian site I found information about the upcoming mess and lawlessness: .... ..... But also after one year after that, the citizen can apply to the local court for the transfer of property to municipal ownership and challenge this decision.
When, if a person proves ownership, he will be sent a request to maintain the premises in proper form.

You are not something about lawlessness triedndel and immediately brought a text that directly contradicts your tryndezh.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Th something about lawlessness triedndel and immediately brought a text that directly contradicts your tryndezhu.

Where? These questions I should have asked yesterday without taking the text out of the context of my comments, but today you decide on your sexual orientation ... and do comparative jurisprudence ...
If you are shaking in a fit from my avatar, then it makes sense to explain to you the basics of civil law, take some treatment, restore your nerves, go to the frame of your natural needs, maybe let go ...
As you study the civil legislation of the DPR and Ukraine, contact the author of the article, other kind members of the forum, and I personally will be zapadlo to communicate with such a troll, a provocateur and IT ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lara Croft

I should have asked these questions yesterday without taking the text out of the context of my comments, but today you decide on your sexual orientation ..

Look you like Laro has a bomb.

[Bshkaus]

After the war, after the war, how much sacred private property was taken away from the Nazis, will you also lament, or is it different?

So we also took away, the speech is about the fact that we do not have such a concept as private property. I explain this by two factors: 1-the powers that be do not care about the rights of the servants, 2-the servants have nothing and so do not get used to their own.

[marchcat]

In our latitudes, such a house would have collapsed long ago, without heating. So why wait, let it be better for those who need to live.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

The inviolability of private property no longer means anything.

UN Human Rights Defender: Israeli authorities are trying to change the population of East Jerusalem
Over the past few months, Israel has adopted 16 orders to evict Palestinian families, and in two cases single mothers with children were left without the right to housing. Most of the evicted Palestinians have lived in their homes for decades, many as owners.
https://news.un.org/ru/story/2021/01/1394012

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Dart2027

UN Human Rights Defender:

Michael Link must somehow justify his salary, travel allowances, subsistence allowances, subsistence allowances, personal driver, security, by the way, from the very "Palestinians", etc. So happy at every opportunity. Will stop driving to Israel, fly out of a dusty job in an instant.

[Dart2027]

Quote: A. Privalov

Michael Link must somehow justify

That is, there are no objections to the above facts.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, there are no objections to the above facts.

I do not have. But this does not change the matter. The UN is constantly pushing something against Israel. That's why they live there. There is nothing you can do about it. These are the rules of the game here.

[Dart2027]

Quote: A. Privalov

I do not have. But this does not change the matter. The UN is constantly pushing something against Israel.

So what? If they roll fairly, then show your obedience to the law and do it, if not, then refute it in the international court.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Dart2027

So what? If they roll fairly, then show your obedience to the law and do it, if not, then refute it in the international court.

Which one?
To whom to prove?
Don't tell my sneakers! Found law-abiding ones. Haha.

[Dart2027]

Quote: A. Privalov

To whom to prove?

Quote: Dart2027

if not, then refute in the international court

Quote: A. Privalov

Found law-abiding ones.

That is, Israel and the law are antagonists.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Over the past few months, Israel has adopted 16 orders to evict Palestinian families, and in two cases single mothers with children were left without the right to housing. Most of the evicted Palestinians have lived in their homes for decades, many as owners.

What is the problem? Houses built without permission are subject to demolition. The limitation period does not make them legal. Jewish houses are being demolished for the same reasons.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

What is the problem? Houses built without permission are subject to demolition.

And where does it say about the lack of permission? They lived there for a long time.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: professor

What is the problem? Houses built without permission are subject to demolition.

And where does it say about the lack of permission? They lived there for a long time.

Said in the court decision. According to Israeli law, it is impossible to destroy any building without a court decision if it has a roof. The fact that they lived there for a long time does not make their home legal.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

According to Israeli law, it is impossible to destroy any building without a court decision if it has a roof.

Well, there was a court decision, that's just the basis for what?

Quote: Dart2027

16 orders were issued to evict Palestinian families, in two cases single mothers with children were left without the right to housing. Most of the evicted Palestinians have lived in their homes for decades, many as owners

Suddenly, after N years, it suddenly turned out that they had once built without permission?

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Well, there was a court decision, that's just the basis for what?

Illegal construction.

Quote: Dart2027

Suddenly, after N years, it suddenly turned out that they had once built without permission?

The wheels of the judicial system are turning slowly. Lawsuit, protest, meeting and so on in a circle. Sometimes the litigation lasts for years. However, illegal construction has no statute of limitations. But ... after 7 years, illegal buildings cannot be destroyed. Such a law. So that "Most of the evicted Palestinians lived in their homes for decades"complete crap."many - in the status of owners"and the rest as whom?

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

So "Most of the evicted Palestinians have lived in their homes for decades" is a complete mess.

Really?

evictions take place mainly in the historic part of Jerusalem.

Something doesn't look like it.

Quote: professor

and the rest as whom?

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of tenant?

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Really?

Absolute. Don't believe me? Give their names and together we will look at the case materials that are not classified in our country and are available on the Internet for everyone.

Quote: Dart2027

Something doesn't look like it.

Let's take a look at the city map. Where are their homes?

Quote: Dart2027

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of tenant?

Evicted tenants can generally go forest desert. They must deal with the owners of illegally erected real estate. tenants have no rights to real estate.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

and together we will look at the case materials that are not classified with us

And what prevents you from giving a link to them right now?

Quote: professor

tenants have no rights to real estate.

That does not negate the fact of their forced eviction.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

And what prevents you from giving a link to them right now?

How? You need to know the number of the court decision or the name of the defendant or the date and court in which the decision was made. Otherwise it will not be found.

Quote: Dart2027

That does not negate the fact of their forced eviction.

Nobody argues about the fact. in all countries of the world, illegally built structures are destroyed, and their residents are evicted. If the tenants do not do this voluntarily, then they are forcibly evicted.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

How so?

That is, when you wrote about illegal buildings, you were just making up fables?

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: professor

How so?

That is, when you wrote about illegal buildings, you were just making up fables?

Not. you composed fables when you said that someone was evicted and even forcibly. Whom (name) and from where (address) was evicted?

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

Not. you composed fables when you said that someone was evicted and even forcibly.

I am not composing anything, but a quote from a UN news article. I don’t see your sources.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

I am not composing anything, but a quote from a UN news article. I don’t see your sources.

Well, okay. The UN does not bother to report facts (name, address, etc.). What to discuss?

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

Well, okay. The UN does not bother to report the facts

It informs about the fact of eviction.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: professor

Well, okay. The UN does not bother to report the facts

It informs about the fact of eviction.

"fact" without evidence, details, details is no longer a fact. However, this characterizes the UN.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

"fact" without evidence, details, details is no longer a fact.

Quote: professor

Cool. The inviolability of private property no longer means anything. Usually it comes back like a boomerang.

Then concrete evidence that they will confiscate property without grounds (tax evasion, etc.)

Quote: professor

Abandoned houses in Haifa by Arabs in 1948. The limitation period has not expired and no one encroaches on them.

Addresses, full names of past owners, etc.?

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

Then concrete evidence that they will confiscate property without grounds (tax evasion, etc.)

Will not. There is no such law.

Quote: Dart2027

Addresses, full names of past owners, etc.?

Name of previous owners? Easily. Let's give the address of the property and look together in the land register. This is open information.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

There is no such law

That is, in Israel you can evade taxes and nothing will happen for it?

Quote: professor

Name of previous owners? Easily. Give the address of the property

I will give? You referred to them, so let's go.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, in Israel you can evade taxes and nothing will happen for it?

The house will not be taken away from anyone.

Quote: Dart2027

I will give? You referred to them, so let's go.

What else can I give you?

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

The house will not be taken away from anyone.

What will happen?

Quote: professor

What else can I give you?

That is, all this is your invention.

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

What will happen?

They arrest a bank account, they can take the car, but this is if there are any. If they cannot find the owner or have nothing to take from him, the debt will grow stupidly, and then the debts will be written off as "unrecoverable".

Quote: Dart2027

That is, all this is your invention.

Think what you want. When you want specific data on specific cases, then you are welcome ..

PS
Today:
https://www.newsru.co.il/israel/04may2021/jaffa_004.html
Jaffa hosts a protest action by Arab residents of the city
The protest action is taking place on Aza street. Several dozen people are expressing their indignation at the plans to evict Aish Abu Khatar Raada from the house, on the site of which it is planned to build a residential complex within the framework of the project "Price for a new settler".

According to Walla News, the Khaatar family lives in an apartment owned by state company "Amidar

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

until the debt grows stupidly, and then the debts are written off as "unrecoverable".

That is, you can not pay taxes, and then just wait out a few years and that's it?

Quote: professor

Think what you want. When you want specific data on specific cases, then you are welcome ..

That is, about houses since 1948 is just a fiction.

Quote: professor

Jaffa hosts a protest action by Arab residents of the city

Quote: Dart2027

UN Human Rights Defender: Israeli authorities are trying to change the population of East Jerusalem

Is Jaffa Jerusalem? Or maybe Tel Aviv?

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, you can not pay taxes, and then just wait out a few years and that's it?

7 years to be exact.

Quote: Dart2027

That is, about houses since 1948 is just a fiction.

Think what you want. In reality, the houses have been abandoned since 1948.

Quote: Dart2027

Is Jaffa Jerusalem? Or maybe Tel Aviv?

Israel's laws apply equally to Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

7 years to be exact.

And then come back and not pay again?

Quote: professor

In reality, the houses have been abandoned since 1948.

Quote: Dart2027

Addresses, full names of past owners, etc.?

Quote: professor

Israel's laws apply equally to Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

And?

Quote: Dart2027

Over the past few months, Israel has adopted 16 orders to evict Palestinian families, and in two cases single mothers with children were left without the right to housing. Most of the evicted Palestinians have lived in their homes for decades, many in OWNER STATUS.
https://news.un.org/ru/story/2021/01/1394012

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

And then come back and not pay again?

The limitation period for debts is 7 years. If you have not paid for 900 years, then you can only be charged for the last 7 years.

Quote: Dart2027

And?

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

If you have not paid for 900 years, then you can only be charged for the last 7 years.

That is, you can live abroad and not pay at all.

Quote: professor

And?

Quote: Dart2027

IN THE STATUS OF OWNERS.

That is, people are expelled by taking away their own property, which has nothing to do with your example (it is generally in another city).

[Professor]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, you can live abroad and not pay at all.

Well, yes.

Quote: Dart2027

That is, people are expelled by taking away their own property, which has nothing to do with your example (it is generally in another city).

I will not walk in this circle anymore. For the last time, nobody touches the owners. This is sacred. The topic is closed.

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

I will not walk in this circle anymore.

That is, I'm right.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: professor

The limitation period has not expired and no one encroaches on them.

So this is the "Israeli military - known to the whole world" (c).
In general, the Jews are not like "normal" people. And there are no vowels in the alphabet, and they write from right to left, and cut off where everything is supervised. Wild people - what can you take from them?

[Clear]

Quote: A. Privalov

So this is the "Israeli military - known to the whole world" (c).

One might think that the Anglo-Saxons are not bringing powerful protest rallies to Russia now.
Everything is the same as in the "best" years of the Cold War against the USSR.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Clear

One might think that the Anglo-Saxons are not bringing powerful protest rallies to Russia now.
Everything is the same as in the "best" years of the Cold War against the USSR.

Madam, what kind of powerful rallies are being rolled at you? Do not pretend to be a Kazan orphan.

[Clear]

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Clear

One might think that the Anglo-Saxons are not bringing powerful protest rallies to Russia now.
Everything is the same as in the "best" years of the Cold War against the USSR.

Madam, what kind of powerful rallies are being rolled at you? Do not pretend to be a Kazan orphan.

Do not pretend yourself. You need to know when you take quotes out of context.

Quote: A. Privalov

So this is the "Israeli military - known to the whole world" (c).

Sometimes you surprise Sasha

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Clear

Sometimes you surprise Sasha

Duc, I can also embroider on a typewriter too ...

[Clear]

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Clear

Sometimes you surprise Sasha

Duc, I can also embroider on a typewriter too ...

I realized that when you have a needle in your hands, you try to put on everything else ... a cross

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Clear

You are trying to put on everything else ... a cross

Did you mean "six-pointed star"?

[Richard]

Duc, I can also embroider on a typewriter too.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: A. Privalov

In general, the Jews are not like "normal" people.

The Golan and the water resources near them have never been mismanaged, and you are using acquisitive prescription for them, it's not good ... give the orphans their property and you will be happy ... ts. gave someone else's and sleep well ...

[prior]

It has long been known to everyone that the inviolability of private property concerns only Jewish private property.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: prior

It has long been known to everyone that the inviolability of private property concerns only Jewish private property.

Oh, do not fool your head, dear, neither yourself, nor people. This is not to hold you for the windbag.

[prior]

That I sho ... nicho.
I just looked at the list of names of people under US sanctions.
All our people, rasseyskiy.
Yes. In some incomprehensible way, Rotenberg got there. But it looks great he got the staff members close to the president.
For Zhirinovsky I am silent, well, which of him is a Jew !?
So that with the "ringing" everything is in order.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: prior

I just looked at the list of names of people under US sanctions.

These are your troubles there. They have nothing to do with Jewish and Arab property. The arrows do not need to be translated.

[Clear]

Quote: professor

Cool. The inviolability of private property no longer means anything. Usually it comes back like a boomerang.

A boomerang will return to some people the "non-notice" of marches across Kiev and other regions of Ukraine, the Nazis and Bandera. History teaches you nothing.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Clear

A boomerang will return to some people the "non-notice" of marches across Kiev and other regions of Ukraine, the Nazis and Bandera. History teaches you nothing.

Not true! Have noticed! We have expressed concern in the best traditions of the Russian Federation.
Tomorrow you will reconcile with your very recently "brothers", but as usual, you will make the Jews guilty. We've been through this before, madam.

[Clear]

Quote: A. Privalov

Tomorrow you will reconcile with your very recently "brothers", but as usual, you will make the Jews guilty.

Tell us about your "concern" for the French Jews, who are now fleeing from France. That's strange, why ???
And, the Jews - Kolomoisky, Zelensky ... are unambiguously guilty, and they never were and never will be brothers to us.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Clear

Tell us about your "concern" for the French Jews, who are now fleeing from France.

They run not somewhere, but to Israel. So, I can tell you something about this.
As for Kolomoisky and Zelensky, they, of course, are so nasty precisely because they are Jews and not otherwise. Did I understand you correctly?

[Phil77]

Bravo! ++++++++

[Phil77]

Thank God that the site consists not only of * Tatras * and similar persons.
In general, Alexander, let me recommend the section * History *. We somehow welcome common sense.

[Phil77]

Yes, yes, yes. Healthy liberalism also has a place to be, though? Although ... we are all patriots. In the normal sense of the word. I ask you. And you are not indifferent to history, no?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: professor

Cool. The inviolability of private property no longer means anything.

Prof are you serious?

Quote: professor

Usually it comes back like a boomerang.

Or not returned.

Quote: professor

Abandoned houses in Haifa by Arabs in 1948. The limitation period has not expired and no one encroaches on them.

And what is the statute of limitations in this case?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

And what is the statute of limitations in this case?

This refers to the period of registration, the body authorized to manage municipal property can apply to the court with a demand to recognize the right of municipal ownership of this thing, and such a right of ownership may arise from a bona fide owner to a mismanaged (and not ownerless, as the author wrote) thing. ..
Articles 225, 234 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Professor, you are very fond of reinforced concrete proofs. Then tell me, on the basis of what signs can one determine that these houses were precisely abandoned by the Arabs precisely in Haifa and precisely in 1948? Otherwise, it turns out that you have made an unsubstantiated throw of a brown substance on the fan.

[sunzhenets]

In the Civil Code of the Russian Federation there is such a concept - ownerless property. It seems to me that there is a direct analogy here.

[Thrifty]

Actually, this problem had to be solved in the 15th year, and tackled harshly, nationalizing, and prohibiting the privatization of enterprises, companies, banks, and everything that was in the republics. Everything should be placed under strict control, not a single kopeck from the republics should fall into the Ukrainian government.

[Clear]

Quote: Thrifty

Actually, this problem had to be solved in the 15th year, and tackled harshly, nationalizing, and prohibiting the privatization of enterprises, companies, banks, and everything that was in the republics. Everything should be placed under strict control, not a single kopeck from the republics should fall into the Ukrainian government.

Not too late.
As a last resort, it's better late than never.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Thrifty

Actually, this problem had to be solved in the 15th year, and toughly solved, nationalizing,

How do you imagine it? In case of nationalization, you need the appropriate law and money to compensate the owners of enterprises that are nationalized ...
Senior comrades invented the know-how imposed external management on property belonging to legal entities and individuals ... thereby limiting them in managing enterprises and making profits ...
If the DPR becomes part of the Russian Federation, then the owners will demand from the Russian Federation to return control over the enterprises to them and initiate criminal proceedings against the DPR leadership, if the Russian Federation sends them, then the owners of these enterprises will gladly sue the Russian Federation ...

and prohibiting the privatization of enterprises, companies, banks, and everything that was in the republics

Please tell us which municipal and / or state enterprises of the DPR were privatized and why should this be prohibited?

[Boris55]

Has nationalization failed?

In reality one person was ready to carry out nationalization. He's gone.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Boris55

Has nationalization failed?

In reality one person was ready to carry out nationalization. He's gone.

That is why he was "removed".

[Black lotos]

the food supply is shrinking. Divide the remaining resource.

[for]

And what will happen to the immovability of non-citizens who fled to Russia.

[Black lotos]

Quote: for

And what will happen to the immovability of non-citizens who fled to Russia.

judging by the article, if you are not and do not pay taxes, it does not matter where you are. In the Russian Federation or Ukraine or somewhere else.
Most of all, the owners are concerned that in the RF / RB / Ukraine and the republics themselves there should be a mechanism for recognizing the fact of the absence of the owner. If they want to admit your absence, even if it is not so, are there mechanisms to counteract this "raider takeover"?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Black Lotos

If they want to admit your absence, even if it is not so, are there mechanisms to counteract this "raider takeover"?

A citizen is recognized as missing by the decision of the Court ...

In the event of the appearance or discovery of the place of stay of a citizen recognized as missing, the court cancels the decision on recognizing him as missing. On the basis of a court decision, the management of the property of this citizen is canceled.

Article 44 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_5142/1927c9677fcdd17f0b591c14890a519ba9c06f9b/
Similar legal norms of Articles 42-44 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation probably exist in the Civil Code of the DPR / Ukraine ...
It is more difficult if a citizen is pronounced dead ...
read part 2 of article 46 and part 4 of article 302 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation (for sure there is also in the Civil Code of the DPR / Ukraine), the Court can send an absurd person with his request ...
With escheat property, it is also not so simple, to whom it goes after the death of the owner and not the inheritance of his heirs, the state or local authorities ...
Again, it is necessary to study the judicial practice of Ukraine ...
Until the Russian Federation recognizes the DPR as a state, no one will buy a dog kennel there ... otherwise it would certainly be possible to buy real estate on the shores of the Sea of ​​Azov ...

[Bshkaus]

A citizen is recognized as missing by the decision of the Court ...

We have one "extremist" who was shut down for 3 years for allegedly failing to appear in court, although the whole world (including the judges) knew where he was and what happened to him)))))

[Radius]

... The authorities of the DPR will take away real estate and land from the Ukrainians ... Only an unwise person could write this phrase. Are you provoking?

[Sancho_SP]

There will be no way to build communism, even an experimental one. Although, it would be curious ...

[Bshkaus]

There will be no way to build communism, even an experimental one. Although, it would be curious ..

Let's take away your dacha or car because you don't use it every day, at the same time we will satisfy our common curiosity))))))

[Sancho_SP]

Those who have something to take away are a minority. Draw conclusions)

[Bshkaus]

Those who have something to take away are a minority. Draw conclusions)

What has the minority to do with it? It looks more like a gop-stop in the gateway))).

[Lara Croft]

As for the departed owners - let them be discouraged. Anyone who was honest enough to from time to time to appear in the DPR and pay taxes or a communal apartment, they can only once again praise themselves for their sagacity. The rest have to wave a pen to their assets.

Legal nihilism of some sort! Those. If I don’t pay for a communal apartment and don’t come to the DPR, can I safely lose my property? Author What laws are you guided by can not say or property rights are not protected by the state?
The simplicity of the author is striking, for communal debts of 10 rubles. my apartment will be taken away for 100 rubles. without a court decision and payment of compensation from the sale of my property at an auction ... and why should a property owner periodically come to the DPR?

[Bshkaus]

What laws are you guided by can not say or property rights of others are not protected by the state?

Yes, there everything is according to their notions "for all the good, against all the bad."
Legally, this property belongs to Ukrainians and is located on the territory of Ukraine. Nobody recognized the LDNR, even the Russian Federation. So taxes must be paid in Ukraine, which, in turn, must work off this money and ensure the safety of its citizens and their property (imperceptibly revealing the topic of the other side of the coin). I, too, would not pay taxes to the LDNR, and even more so, I would not poke my nose there. I do not consider myself a stubborn fighter for the Russian world. I think that over time, the Russian Federation and LPR (if at least someone recognizes them) will seize international claims for compensation and, from a legal point of view, will be forced to compensate.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Bshkaus

over time, the Russian Federation and LDNR (if at least someone recognizes them) will seize international claims for compensation and, from a legal point of view, will be forced to compensate.

Therefore, LDNR will never become part of the Russian Federation.

[Bshkaus]

Therefore, there will never be order there. All over the world, private property is inviolable and the state should not care what and how the owner does it. Yes, there are reservations, the extraction of natural resources is subject to duties and taxes, I agree that ownerless property should be transferred to the state, but ownerless property is when the only owner has died and there are no heirs. As for the payment of taxes for this time, the question is very controversial: let's be honest, who are the LPRP from a legal point of view? Even Russia did not recognize them, in the legal field they are no one, and there is no way to call them (thanks to the Russian Federation, which said A, but swallowed B). The whole world lives according to international laws - it's just a set of rules that everyone follows so that there is no confusion and lawlessness and everyone can agree and understand how to behave (I'm not talking about politics). From a legal point of view, this property belongs to Ukrainian citizens and is located on the territory of Ukraine (I repeat, no one except the LPNR themselves recognized them). And therefore, they must pay taxes to the treasury of Ukraine !. You put yourself in the place of these people, imagine that tomorrow they come to your house in the average statistical Voronezh and say that you now live not in the Russian Federation, but a conventionally fictional Gulyai-field empire and must pay taxes to some kind of Pan Ataman Gritsko Borisoglebsk.
And the worst thing is that confiscation of private property is a "norm" in our country, and we cannot even imagine that it could be otherwise (well, of course, in the developed world it is sometimes confiscated, but only in individual cases and each case is unique.

[AC130 Gunship]

A resident of the Donetsk region told me that in 2014 this was exactly what happened there. Strong guys came with weapons to the car dealership and said to the owner: the keys are on the table for all new cars. They are confiscated in favor of the new government ...

[Bshkaus]

A resident of the Donetsk region told me

I also have a friend from Lugansk. The position of 2015 and 2021 has changed diametrically. He also told how the Ukrainian Armed Forces fired at the shops: first, everything you said, and the next day, the Ukrainian Armed Forces fired on if the business owner sent three letters of new money on the eve. And nobody bothers that the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from which the shelling was conducted were in the deep rear of the LPR.

[AC130 Gunship]

Real estate owners in Crimea began to worry ...