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Pipelayer "Akademik Chersky" began laying pipes in the territorial waters of Denmark

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The pipe-laying vessel Akademik Chersky, which has been in the pipeline-laying area since the beginning of April, has started pipe-laying. The works are carried out in the territorial waters of Denmark.


The company-operator Nord Stream 2 AG announced the joining of the vessel to the laying of the pipeline. Work commenced on 27 April, although the vessel arrived in the stowage area earlier this month. As it is explained, all this time "Akademik Chersky" has been carrying out preparatory work before the start of pipe laying. On April 20, support and supply vessels began to draw in to the pipe-layer, and the Akademik Chersky itself stood at the point of laying the pipeline.

The pipe-laying barge Fortuna is also continuing to lay the pipe, the work will be carried out in parallel, while the speed of laying the pipeline by Akademik Chersky will be higher, since it does not need anchoring like Fortuna. It is the anchor positioning of the barge that slows down the pipe-laying speed.

As previously reported, Akademik Chersky will lay the first string of Nord Stream 2, while Fortuna will continue construction of the second string. According to the Danish Energy Agency (DEA), the work will last until the end of September 2021.

There is no exact data on the timing of the completion of the Nord Stream. As Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak said last Friday, the gas pipeline will be completed in 2021. According to him, the operator company Nord Stream 2 AG could have announced more exact dates, but they are silent, continuing the work. The first gas through the new gas pipeline is to go to Germany in 2022.
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS April 27 2021 11: 52
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    So the weakness of our special fleet was revealed. China was asked to lay a cable to the Crimea. The pipe was laid in Europe for half a year, we cannot decide. There is no end to the work for the shipbuilder. And if our military had to lay something in the world's oceans?
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 27 2021 11: 58
      +6
      They are building two cable-laying machines at the Zaliv in Kerch. The truth about the timing is unknown. There is apparently a lot of imported equipment.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin April 27 2021 12: 51
        +9
        Quote: 210ox
        The truth about the timing is unknown.

        Maybe they will have time to participate ...
        Deep-sea cable laying within the framework of the construction of the transarctic trunk submarine fiber-optic communication line Murmansk - Vladivostok on the Northern Sea Route will begin in late May - early June, said Alexander Poshivai, Deputy Head of the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation ... the work is scheduled to be completed in 2026. The transmission speed through the line will be up to 100 Tbit / s ... The length of the communication line, which was named "Polar Express", will be 12,65 thousand km ... 9 vessels will participate in the laying. The cable, which can withstand temperatures from minus 50 degrees to plus 50 degrees, is planned to be laid with a depth of 1,5 meters. 150 optical repeaters will be installed along the route. https://tass.ru/v-strane/11194529
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 April 27 2021 13: 42
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        Two cable layers at the Zaliv in Kerch are building

        The Russian Navy includes 7 Project 419 killers and 7 Project 141 killers. Including the Baltic Fleet has 2 killers. Keels do not have the ability to lay anything, they are designed to install raid equipment, towing and transporting cargo. The BF has a cable-layer Nepryadva ... a cable-layer, but not a pipe-layer.
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 27 2021 14: 13
          +4
          What is "nasty"? Take and look at the site of the enterprise. I answered the forum member above about the impossibility of laying a cable.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 27 2021 14: 21
            +7
            Quote: 210ox
            I answered the forum member above about the impossibility of laying a cable.

            Did I add your answer and?
            Quote: 210ox
            What is "nasty"?

            The fact that "Nepryadva" is an active killer pr.1172!
            Che boiled then?
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov April 27 2021 20: 54
              +4
              "Pipelayer" Akademik Chersky "started laying pipes ..."

              Good luck! Successful work and good weather!
      3. antivirus
        antivirus April 27 2021 13: 54
        -1
        without imported, you can hook and wind cables from the bottom. how the angles scream. you need to rejoice at work
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 April 27 2021 12: 12
      +3
      They trusted the West too much, plus the eternal why should we BUY ready-made things ourselves, they say, the CAPITALISTS will sell everything they need, and here it is, how it happened, Washington barked and for the benefit and the young ladies, the losses outweighed.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir April 27 2021 12: 50
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        Do you write from the past? In Russia, too, capitalism and also capitalism. And they also sell at least luminous naphtha.
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara April 27 2021 13: 03
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      Pipelayer "Akademik Chersky" began laying pipes in the territorial waters of Denmark


    4. figwam
      figwam April 27 2021 13: 08
      +5
      "Fortuna" is closer to the German coast, "Chersky" is closer to Denmark, and Polish fishermen are around.
    5. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 27 2021 18: 47
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      So the weakness of our special fleet was revealed

      And what does the fleet have to do with it? How long have they been trying to persuade Denmark?
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  2. rocket757
    rocket757 April 27 2021 11: 53
    +19
    According to him, the operator company Nord Stream 2 AG could have announced more exact dates, but they are silent, continuing the work.
    Do it right.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT April 27 2021 11: 58
      +23
      Talk less, work more.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 27 2021 11: 59
        +15
        Well, yes, in many cases, SILENCE IS GOLD !!!
        1. skif8013
          skif8013 April 27 2021 21: 09
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Well, yes, in many cases, SILENCE IS GOLD !!!

          How is it there? Vaska the cat listens and eats)
    2. Nazar
      Nazar April 27 2021 12: 00
      +7
      rocket757 - They are silent and working - that's right. It's good that we have D.O. Rogozin is only one, he would not be silent ... really work too fellow
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 27 2021 12: 10
        +4
        Talkative, we have not one, of course, but mostly public talkers .... we have enough of them, by the eyes.
  3. prior
    prior April 27 2021 11: 53
    +6
    I will bring you, I will, like Pol Pot Kampuchea.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 27 2021 11: 54
    +14
    Ukraine tensed, farts began to vomit. Poland calmed down, their Boltik Pip pipeline must pass along the top of the Northern Streams, and for a solution you have to go back to Gazprom to Gazprom, and with lamentations, forgive me the old fool.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 27 2021 12: 02
      +1
      The Poles will dig a hole. They thought about it beforehand.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 27 2021 12: 52
        0
        The wrong miners were invited!
    2. Tavi
      Tavi April 27 2021 12: 03
      +4
      This PIP still needs to be filled with something ...
    3. Simon
      Simon April 27 2021 12: 21
      +4
      The Poles and the Kiev rulers will soon have a curve like a muzzle when the gas goes through the pipe to Europe. There is very little time left to wait. I think that aggressive fervor will end quickly in Eastern Europe. wink
    4. den3080
      den3080 April 27 2021 12: 35
      +2
      ... Ukraine tensed, farts began to vomit. Poland calmed down, their Boltik Pip pipeline must pass along the top of the Northern Streams, and for a solution you have to go to Gazprom back to front, and with lamentations, forgive me the old fool.
      Come on, an overpass is being built, like the Øresund bridge.
      The potheads, yes, they just darned the farts on you. Again zrada !!
      No catgut will be enough.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 27 2021 12: 50
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        Your version with an overpass, and a comparison with the Erisund bridge, this is something. I have not met such a system. You are not a sailor by chance,
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 27 2021 14: 25
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        Quote: den3080
        Drive the flyover build like Oresund Bridge.
        Casseroleheads yes only darned farts and on you. Again zrada!!
        No catguta w will not be enough.


        Here, with this Denmark, from the III quarter of 2019, the brain is being taken out. Every time, reading reports about the construction of SP-2, I hope to read: "completed", "finished" ...
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 27 2021 12: 02
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    It is the anchor positioning of the barge that slows down the pipe-laying speed.
    No ... There are other factors that play the first violin ...
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT April 27 2021 12: 05
      +12
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      There, other factors play the first violin ...
      Cod? We agreed with her like))
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 27 2021 12: 51
        +2
        Cod, invited to spawn in the Barents Sea!
  6. ALARI
    ALARI April 27 2021 12: 10
    +5
    We give them resources, but what will the citizens of Russia have from this? Or, as in a joke about the economy of the late USSR:
    The lecturer talked long and confusedly, then asks:
    - Is it clear to everyone?
    - Yes, you would explain to us by example, - they ask from the audience.
    - Okay. - Here's an example: we supply clay whistles for Mongolian shepherds to Mongolia. Sheep they are-
    - Deliver to us! - shout from the audience.
    “They send these sheep to Germany. They make excellent canned food and supply-
    - To the Soviet Union!
    - No, comrades! Canned food goes to the West for currency, but they send the skins to Czechoslovakia. There they sew fine costumes from wool and supply-
    - Us?
    - Well no? They supply the costumes to the West, and the skins themselves are sold to Hungary. There they sew beautiful sheepskin coats from them, which are then supplied -
    - To the Soviet Union! - shouted joyfully in the hall.
    - No! Sheepskin coats go to the West for currency. But People's Bulgaria supplies us with clay, from which we make whistles for Mongolian shepherds.
    1. prior
      prior April 27 2021 12: 20
      -5
      We give them gas, and they give us a colonial dependence on all other goods that we will buy from them with the money we get for gas. recourse
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 April 27 2021 13: 01
        -7
        It is still much more "interesting" there - all the terms of this contract are still unknown. The withdrawal of many Western investors from the project has already led to the fact that the pipeline is being completed de facto only by Russia, and the conditions and fines are not yet known; it will not be ready for any deadline. In addition, the volume of pumping and, accordingly, the payback of the project is a big question. It is also unclear who will be spent on the maintenance of this pipeline, to insure risks and other costs. Well, Germany has clearly indicated that the future fate of the SP-2 depends entirely on the preservation of the flow of Russian gas through Ukraine. So, what a mess with this sp-2 is notable. But wait and see how this whole epic ends.
        1. max702
          max702 April 27 2021 13: 32
          +14
          We invested in SP-2 in 5bn / USD, they are 16bn / USD. Who got the money? Germany directly said let's finish the construction, and then we'll talk ... SP-1 \ 2 is the only way to maintain the competitiveness of the European industry, but GTS 404 is a roulette worse than the "Russian" one, so SP-2 will be completed as previously built SP-1 and the Turkish Stream, now the SP-3 project is being developed in full growth due to a sharp drop in gas production by European companies .. SP-1 has proved that the "pipe" is the most profitable and reliable option because there are no "gaskets" and other "helpers", but The same LNG, in the first place, in which case it is necessary to wait, and secondly, it may not be delivered because in another place of the planet they want to give another money for it .. Everything will be built when necessary and as much as necessary ..
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 27 2021 13: 53
            +1
            Russia itself will carry this LNG from the Arctic.
            1. max702
              max702 April 27 2021 14: 15
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              Russia itself will carry this LNG from the Arctic.

              Duc, of course, plans to build LNG plants from the current 30mln \ t to 140mln \ t are already being implemented .. But this will not interfere with "flows" at all, but on the contrary will complement ..
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 07: 14
            -1
            Quote: max702
            We invested in SP-2 in 5 billion / USD they are 16billion / dollars.. Who got the money?

            What are 16 billion. dol ??? belay There, the total cost of the project is 9.5 billion. Euro! fool And because of the sanctions, the project grew in price by 0,8 billion. Euro.
            You would have studied the topic a little before you shudder.
            1. max702
              max702 April 28 2021 07: 40
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              Again, twenty-five .. If you do not understand something, try to delve into the question because you once again sat in a puddle .. SP-2 is not only a pipe on the seabed, but also the darkness of infrastructure on the coast, gas pipelines running throughout Europe were built they are just under the SP-2 with the absence of it, all this infrastructure is not needed by anyone .. I repeat, read the question, otherwise your incompetence just screams that you are here at work with the aim of whining like everything is bad in Russia ..
              pc What about the departure of scientists from Russia? https://peremogi.livejournal.com/56503080.html
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 08: 56
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                Quote: max702
                SP-2 is not only a pipe on the seabed, but also the darkness of the infrastructure on the shore

                Where do you get information about 16 billion. dollars? I gave you the amount of the contract, you are some left-wing numbers. For SP 2, all settlements are in euros! wink
                Quote: max702
                pc What about the departure of scientists from Russia? https://peremogi.livejournal.com/56503080.html

                Are you seriously opposing the article from the livejournal to Interfax, Peskov and the Secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences? belay
                I certainly understand spring, season, but not so much! laughing
                1. max702
                  max702 April 28 2021 13: 23
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                  Secretary of the RAS, you say? Okay..
                  It all started with a speech by Nikolai Dolgushkin, Chief Scientific Secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences. He said so: “The non-decreasing outflow of scientists and highly qualified specialists abroad plays an important role in the reduction of the number of researchers. The number of specialists going abroad annually has not decreased and since 2012 has increased from 14 thousand to almost 70 thousand people at the present time. "
                  Let's try to open the Rosstat website and find out what is really going on with the "brain drain" there. Following the link, we are interested in the section "Distribution of migrants aged 14 and over by education level and countries of exit / reception in the Russian Federation in 2019." In 2019 (later data is not yet available) 62 thousand people with higher education migrated from our country. There are slightly fewer candidates and doctors of sciences among them - 360. It turns out that Dolgushkin meant them by “highly qualified personnel”? Alas, there are no other options in sight: it is unlikely that he meant those who do not even have a university behind them.
                  Where exactly did Russian brains go?
                  Since we have opened the Rosstat website, at the same time we will find out in which countries our 62 thousand "scientists and highly qualified specialists" are drawn. A surprise awaits here: 55 thousand of them - almost 89% - went to such scientifically advanced powers as the CIS countries. Most of the "scientists" flew to Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. The "brain drain" to non-CIS countries will be more accurately judged by the numbers of candidates and doctors of sciences migration there. If in 2012 there were 74 such people, then in 2019 there were 26 of them. That is, the brain drain has not increased fivefold since 2012, as Dolgushkin said, but has decreased almost threefold.
                  How the Chief Scientific Secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences could confuse guest workers returning to their homes with scientists and "highly qualified specialists"
                  Something strange comes out. We opened the Rosstat website, and in three minutes and 38 seconds (the author spotted) we found that tens of thousands of "highly qualified specialists" are mainly labor migrants returning to their homeland. Why was Dolgushkin unable to allocate three minutes and 38 seconds to come to the same conclusions?
                  Let's try to spend a little more time on a superficial acquaintance with the biography of this person. For what achievements is he best known? In 1981-1989 he was the secretary of the Central Committee of the Komsomol. Then - the executive secretary of the Central Control Commission of the CPSU. Further - the typical path of many Komsomol leaders: in the nineties he went into business, it did not work out there, he moved to the deputy minister of agriculture, and in 2001, already being a deputy minister, he became a doctor of sciences. In 2016 he became an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
                  There is nothing surprising in the fact that he might not have figured out why the "brains" from Russia are massively "flowing" to Uzbekistan or Ukraine. Typical generic traits of a Komsomol / party leader are assertiveness in knocking out funds from the state and persistence in supporting this desire with absolutely any numbers and facts.
                  And this balobol must be believed? Is this our secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences? I think it is clear why everything in the country goes with such a creak and problems if such people at the top are in charge?
                  Another thing is more important: if you hear something unusual from an academician, you should first find out on what sources he bases his opinion - and whether he interprets them correctly. And only then worry about how Russian science is dying from the departure of highly qualified specialists to the countries of Central Asia and Ukraine.
                  https://naked-science.ru/article/nakedscience/ottok-ottok?fbclid=IwAR1T9cLaypv3cf9_WTZF-7gtYWDcssDcpdE_BL1zK8B9KzCV3sHd6iEbG8A
                  pc: I didn’t put out the footcloth for you, but for others to see what kind of nonsense you are talking about, and you still don’t recognize anything, no matter how you screw up because at work here ..
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 14: 00
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                    Tell me about nonsense in the mirror. wink
                    The person cited the data, you and your site on the Internet disaggregated this data into groups, but did it only according to the final data of the leak, for some reason forgetting to divide the original data according to the same principle.
                    Migrants were dragged along, although they were never counted by statistics as domestic brains.
                    Why is the academician's communist roots entwined, and as a disadvantage. How to deal with the same lack of Putin then?
                    Once again I tell you, do not disgrace yourself with links to dumb sites where conclusions are drawn on the knee.
                    P.S. Give a link to the Rosstat section where the qualifications of migrants are indicated. And then I only found a division by gender. laughing You and your site are linking to this, right? wink
                    1. max702
                      max702 April 28 2021 14: 06
                      0
                      The fact that you did not find something there says about your abilities, take off your life .. The facts are simple, the "Komsomol" secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences is absolutely incompetent and dragged the emigrants who received our high school to highly educated scientific personnel, that's all .. You dzhae could not realize this and nevertheless declare about the leakage of "science" from Russia FIVE times .. You are probably a similar figure from the leadership of the fiery Komsomol party members .. But all the same, read the manual carefully, soon the owners will not pay for such a hack ..
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 14: 15
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                        Quote: max702
                        The fact that you did not find something there speaks of your abilities, take it off to live

                        Wow, well done! good And the link is weak, or "look for yourself"? wink
                        And they pay you, zaputintsy. No one is in a hurry to pay those who advocate the red idea. wink
                      2. max702
                        max702 April 28 2021 14: 32
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                        You did not give a single reference to your delirium at all, only poked some kind of poor Komsomol "leader" to whom everyone should earnestly believe a priori, when his incompetence was proven, you declared "yourself" .. So that is why you will always have 2% of such supporters same white tape ..
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 14: 36
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                        Quote: max702
                        You did not give a single reference to your delirium at all, just poked at some poor Komsomol "leader"

                        Is the statement of the Chief Scientific Secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences nonsense? belay You are healthy?
                        How did you refute his words? You are not even able to give a link to the Rosstat section, like the bullshit site you mentioned. They concocted a "refutation" on their knees, but they couldn't give links to them. laughing
                      4. max702
                        max702 April 29 2021 08: 42
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                        Yes, I’ll see the same mediocrity as your secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences to use the Internet, you apparently were taught at the Komsomol work ..
                        https://gks.ru/bgd/regl/b20_107/Main.htm
                        master the work with spreadsheets yourself .. If, of course, there is enough chau ..
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 29 2021 09: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: max702
                        Yes, I’ll see the same mediocrity as your secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences

                        It's fun to hear such a compliment. Of course, my knowledge is much lower, but thanks anyway. laughing
                      6. max702
                        max702 April 30 2021 12: 10
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: max702
                        Yes, I’ll see the same mediocrity as your secretary of the Russian Academy of Sciences

                        It's fun to hear such a compliment. Of course, my knowledge is much lower, but thanks anyway. laughing

                        If you really don't know how to read, I hope you have enough of a video to include, there just this fake from the "academician" is fully understood, and it turns out that he screwed up with him and previously screwed up two years ago .. You yourself are not ashamed to refer to him or you also from the former Komsomol party members and now the toad is strangling that they moved away from the trough?
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 30 2021 14: 38
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                        Again as arguments urya site? You go to the channel and see their repertoire. Blah blah, urya, and everything is better with us! Deshovka, both in essence and in content.
                        All lies have been sorted out.
                      8. max702
                        max702 April 30 2021 21: 07
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                        That is, you have no complaints about the very fact of the artistic whistle of the academician of the Komsomol, but who brings all the complaints to people? Well, let's see how long your Komsomol "academician" will last, something tells me that he will be asked in the near future, I think so for a month ..
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 30 2021 21: 27
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                        Quote: max702
                        something tells me that he will be asked in the near future, I think so for a month

                        Here I absolutely agree with you, because it is fraught with questions to ask, inconvenient authorities.
                      10. max702
                        max702 April 30 2021 21: 28
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: max702
                        something tells me that he will be asked in the near future, I think so for a month

                        Here I absolutely agree with you, because it is fraught with questions to ask, inconvenient authorities.

                        They just started asking for lies now .. That's why they will ask for it .. Guseinov is the only one who stole too ..
                      11. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 30 2021 21: 37
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                        For lying, they imprison, here they will fire the maximum. I bet.
                        Your government even imprisoned Navalny for libel, but for violation of parole. Professionalism rushes from all cracks! good
                      12. max702
                        max702 April 30 2021 22: 23
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Your power

                        As I thought, you are far from our country. which explains a lot .. To be honest, I always thought that Navalny was a new Gapon, but it turned out that this dimwit was used as the last sucker in the dark ..
  • WIKI
    WIKI April 29 2021 00: 15
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    Quote: max702
    If you do not understand something, try to delve into the question because once again you are in a puddle .. SP-2 is not only a pipe on the bottom of the sea but also the darkness of infrastructure on the shore

    If you have touched on the coastal infrastructure, then you definitely do not understand the topic.
    “Construction of a new gas corridor from Yamal to the Baltic and its branches to the Black Sea has begun.
    The cost of building this corridor from Yamal in the direction of Europe was calculated by the economists of the VNIIgaz Institute back in 2008. The Program for the Integrated Development of Yamal Peninsula and Adjacent Water Areas, signed by Miller, states that, according to various scenarios, the creation of such an infrastructure just to Torzhok, not to mention the routes from Torzhok to the sea coast, will cost from $ 80 billion to $ 93 billion. in fact, Gazprom has spent seven seals on laying new pipes to bypass Ukraine.
    1. max702
      max702 April 29 2021 08: 44
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      In general, the conversation about SP-2 was going on, but somehow it was not from Yamal, SP-2 is the 3-4 branch of SP-1, and the infrastructure in which the Europeans invested was built in Europe ..
      Check it out at least ..
      1. WIKI
        WIKI April 29 2021 09: 01
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        Quote: max702
        In general, the conversation about SP-2 was going on, but somehow he was not from Yamal

        "Northern Gas Transportation
        corridor
        (UGSS) of Russia becomes a key gas transportation
        route for gas supplies to Russian consumers
        and for export to European countries. It consists of modern and high-tech gas pipelines from Yamal to
        Baltic Sea. Nord Stream 2 is a logical continuation of the northern corridor Bovanenkovo-Ukhta gas pipelines
        and "Bovanenkovo-Ukhta-2" PJSC "Gazprom"
        form the basis of the Northern Gas Transportation Corridor and are intended primarily for the transportation of gas from the Bovanenkovo
        deposits in Yamal with initial
        gas reserves of 4,9 trillion cubic meters m. ". This is from an official document, not your bastard. https://www.nord-stream2.com/en/dlia-pressy/dokumenty/
        1. max702
          max702 April 29 2021 09: 33
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          Quote: WIKI
          «Nord Stream 2 "is a logical continuation northern corridor Bovanenkovo-Ukhta gas pipelines
          and "Bovanenkovo-Ukhta-2" PJSC "Gazprom"

          What's wrong then? Let's calculate ALL the gas infrastructure that is on the territory of Russia and include it in the cost of SP-2. ..
  • Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 April 27 2021 14: 10
    -5
    It is still much more "interesting" there - all the terms of this contract are still unknown.


    I started writing about this when I was two, or even three years old ... I picked up the minuses for this ... Judging by the fact that you have clearly fewer minuses, even the most stubborn uryakalok have enlightenment in their heads ...
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 27 2021 14: 09
    -6
    Quote: prior
    We give them gas, and they give us a colonial dependence on all other goods that we will buy from them with the money we get for gas.

    Do you think that it is the West that supplies us with colonial dependence? Fuck there. This speculative component of the capitalist economy has made Russia a haven for world speculators. Yes, we practically do not have our own Russian product. Either we buy imported raw materials, or foreign components, or machine tools and equipment, or we take a production license, or foreign specialists, or Western members of the board of directors. This specificity has turned the world power into a raw material appendage, where, under the economic blockade, we will quickly return to pay phones or plywood trucks. Yes Yes Yes. And there is convincing evidence of this.
    Take the well-known pandemic.
    On December 10, 2020, in Russia, in Moscow, free vaccination on a voluntary basis began (Sputnik V). Currently, 4% of the population is vaccinated (yesterday it was 68% - 4% each) per day. It will take us 64 days or 0 and a half years to inoculate the entire population. And this is how it was in 04:
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova April 27 2021 15: 09
      -1
      that's exactly what on a voluntary basis))))) many simply do not want to be vaccinated, but there are no queues and there is a lot of vaccine
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 27 2021 15: 13
        -3
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        that's exactly what on a voluntary basis

        On a voluntary basis, a mask mode was introduced there ... wassat Show?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 08: 39
        -1
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        many simply do not want to get vaccinated

        Yes, because people do not have faith in the vaccine that has not passed all tests, the test protocols of which were amended after publication, there is no faith in the statistics of complications (which of course are not wassat ). Mistrust is added by the obsessive propaganda of the vaccine by the state, which suddenly did not care about the population, but only in terms of vaccination. hi
    2. prior
      prior April 27 2021 17: 46
      -1
      The USSR bought the plant and made Zhiguli that was quite modern for its time.
      And the truck industry, and buses, and aviation, and shipbuilding, and electronics, everything was at a decent level and met the needs of the country. And now Russia is a third world country with an appropriate standard of living and a huge financial and economic dependence on the West.
      Now the Czechs "shit on our rug", and we cannot even refuse their Skoda and beer. Not profitable, you see. What is this if not economic dependence?
      We buy paper clips and buttons in China! And you need to buy technology, machine tools and factories.
      Even the experience of China does not teach our leaders anything.
      But in fact, we are about the same thing.
      1. max702
        max702 April 28 2021 07: 46
        +1
        We are not China, no one will sell us anything worthwhile .. Opel was not sold to us, but it is easy for the Chinese, as recently the Rolls-Royce marine diesel plant in Norway was not sold .. Such is the free market .. And the history of SP-2 itself just screams about "fair" competition ..
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 27 2021 12: 16
    +3
    This means that gas prices will rise again in Ukraine.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 April 27 2021 14: 09
      -6
      And we have gasoline ..))
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 27 2021 14: 16
      -6
      Quote: From Tomsk
      This means that gas prices will rise again in Ukraine.

      How bad do you know the anecdote about your son and dad:
      - Dad, the price of vodka has been raised, will you drink less now?
      - No, sonny, you will eat less!

      These are housing and communal services in Russia, and tariffs for connection (from the highway) and use will rise.
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 27 2021 12: 23
    +6
    Quote: APASUS
    So the weakness of our special fleet was revealed. China was asked to lay a cable to the Crimea. The pipe was laid in Europe for half a year, we cannot decide. There is no end to the work for the shipbuilder. And if our military had to lay something in the world's oceans?

    Have we been dragging pipelines along the seabed all our lives? For Russia, these are episodic works, if I'm not mistaken. This kind of specific equipment should not stand idle in order to payback and requires maintenance. Whether it is worth it is a big question. It is clear that I would like to have it for all occasions.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m April 27 2021 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: Tagan
      Have we been dragging pipelines along the seabed all our lives?

      And nowhere else in the world are such ships needed? Switzerland has no maritime borders, but has pipelayers.
  • Bomb
    Bomb April 27 2021 12: 51
    -7
    How a trickle will flow into each wallet of a Russian, not long to endure. True, until it flows, according to tradition, they will again find non-targeted use =)
  • vindigo
    vindigo April 27 2021 12: 58
    -7
    It doesn't matter what happens to this pipeline. It's not mine. And if it is built, I will not live better.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 27 2021 13: 55
      +2
      Your life depends on you - but certainly not on the pipe.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 08: 42
        +1
        Residents of Norway receive rents from the sale of oil, not to mention residents of the Middle East. wink
    2. skif8013
      skif8013 April 27 2021 21: 21
      0
      Quote: vindigo
      It doesn't matter what happens to this pipeline. It's not mine. And if it is built, I will not live better.

      Again, is my hut on the edge?
      1. vindigo
        vindigo April 28 2021 09: 55
        +1
        And I am not the owner of this pipeline. Why should I worry about him? Now it is not the Soviet Union, where everything is common and popular).
        1. skif8013
          skif8013 April 28 2021 10: 03
          0
          Quote: vindigo
          And I am not the owner of this pipeline. Why should I worry about him? Now it is not the Soviet Union, where everything is common and popular).

          The argument is good, but the country of Russia, I hope your homeland. Personally, I am not indifferent to her. Although I understand that sp2 will not make me warmer.
          1. vindigo
            vindigo April 28 2021 10: 06
            0
            What does the construction of the pipe and the Motherland have to do with it?
            1. skif8013
              skif8013 April 28 2021 12: 03
              +1
              Quote: vindigo
              What does the construction of the pipe and the Motherland have to do with it?

              Well, judging by your logic, then you don't need to build anything? Spaceports for example. SP2 at least will not bring harm to Russia, but there will be pluses. That is why I am for SP2.
              1. vindigo
                vindigo April 28 2021 12: 13
                0
                You are probably about 70 years old. All think in common, when the USSR was a huge corporation and everything was really done for all people. At least they tried. Now all these activities are being done for the benefit of a certain group of persons, shareholders, beneficiaries. Capitalism. And therefore, why they are trying to drag me in, to interest me in events that have nothing to do with me or the welfare of Russia, I do not understand. It worked out for them - well done, it didn't work out - on the side. What are the advantages? Will the gas price be raised for us?
                1. skif8013
                  skif8013 April 28 2021 12: 54
                  0
                  I am far from 70. But I am confident in my position. I am glad from the bottom of my heart when Russia manages to build something globally or achieve something. It's like a sport, winning the world ice hockey championship, I'm happy and rooting for ours. Although their victory will not add to my salary or, say, my mother's pension. And JV 2 will give Russia some advantages and leverage. Those same svidomye will become more accommodating when they understand that there is an option to remain without transit. I hope I fully answered your comment clearly.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 14: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: skif8013
                    And JV 2 will give Russia some advantages and leverage

                    What are the levers? belay The USSR used other levers.
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 14: 20
                +1
                Quote: skif8013
                Well, judging by your logic, then you don't need to build anything? Spaceports for example.

                Have you ever wondered why pipelines, even under sanctions, are being built faster than a cosmodrome without sanctions? wink
  • Lirik R
    Lirik R April 27 2021 13: 04
    +1
    Normal, now things will go faster, not all the same "Fortune" take the rap)
  • Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich April 27 2021 13: 18
    0
    In thermal water or EEZ? These are two different things.
  • WIKI
    WIKI April 27 2021 14: 28
    -4
    Quote: max702
    We invested in SP-2 in 5bn / USD, they are in 16bn / USD.

    “The financing scheme agreed by the participants assumed that Gazprom, as the sole shareholder, would invest half of the € 9,5 billion in which the project was assessed. The remaining amount in the form of loans was promised by Shell, OMV, Engie, Uniper and Wintershall. Thus, for each of the partners accounted for up to € 950 million secured by 10% in Nord Stream 2 AG. Wintershall officially announced the completion of investments in Nord Stream 2 at the level of about € 730 million, Uniper sent about € 700 million by the beginning of November. Also at the end of 2020 The Austrian OMV announced the closure of financial contributions, specifying that it had invested about € 729 million. Shell announced that it had fulfilled its investment obligations in the gas pipeline in the second quarter of 2020, but did not disclose the amount. Engie did not specify the status of investments. "
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 08: 44
      0
      Yes, he just grumbled without delving into it. He, in a zaputin frenzy, already refutes Peskov with references to articles in a live journal! fellow
      1. WIKI
        WIKI April 29 2021 00: 44
        +1
        These are our times. For a momentary benefit (to get a promotion in rank, position), you can lie. In the modern consumer society, morality in human relations fades into the background when it comes to personal gain ..
  • Semak
    Semak April 27 2021 14: 29
    +3
    Ukraine is shouting loudest for its GTS, and the service life of the main gas pipelines is 50 years, the GTS of Ukraine was built during the Soviet era. If we take from 1980 to 1991 (according to the most optimistic and fantastic estimates), inclusive, when the last joint in the Ukrainian gas transportation system could have been welded, then from 2030 to 2041 and beyond, it will mean that virtually all the main gas pipelines of the Ukrainian gas transportation system will develop your resource? Are they going to repair or are they waiting for it to start tearing not only farts?
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 27 2021 15: 07
    +1
    Quote: Michael m
    Quote: Tagan
    Have we been dragging pipelines along the seabed all our lives?

    And nowhere else in the world are such ships needed? Switzerland has no maritime borders, but has pipelayers.

    Need of course. But it's not a fact that everyone will run headlong to conclude contracts with us. So far, not many states have independent policies.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin April 27 2021 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: Tagan
      Need of course

      And what else to build for a large diameter as a joint venture .... In Ust-Luga, gas processing with LNG, so SP-1, SP-2 + LNG. Tour. flows - there will be enough in this direction (Gazprom has already reported that it is negotiating to transfer the capacities of the Turkish line to Europe) ... to Japan - so how many years they have been talking, and it is unlikely that it will go further .... Shtokman to Murmansk, Sakhalin. .. there are Fortune and Chersky .... You are right to come to us for contracts, there is already a surplus on the market ... And the money for this pipelayer, for the same gasification ...
  • riwas
    riwas April 28 2021 05: 07
    +1
    There is one problem there. The SP-2 crosses the SP two times, in light of the latest changes due to Denmark. The latter must be deepened at the intersection so that there is no bend of the pipes at the points of contact. Something is not heard - how they will solve it.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 28 2021 08: 47
      +1
      The seabed relief is also not perfect. It is enough to make something like curbs of lower height in the area of ​​intersection so that the bend is smooth.
      P. S. I'm not a professional, I can be wrong, just logical inventions
      1. sen
        sen April 28 2021 11: 45
        +1
        Barge Fortuna does not lay Nord Stream 2 for more than five days due to the fact that it ran into the joint venture. The difficulty lies in the fact that for the arrangement of the crossing it is necessary to involve specialized vessels. Two options for solving the problem are considered. In a presentation by Nord Stream 2 AG for a public hearing on Bornholm Island on June 19, 2019, it is stated that stone filling is required to stabilize the gas pipelines at the intersection, which will be carried out by specialized stone layers for no more than three days. Expanded US sanctions, however, prohibit the provision of such services to the project. Alternatively, Nord Stream 2 AG says it may use post-laying trenches to stabilize the pipeline. But in the text of the expansion of sanctions, companies are also prohibited from providing trenching services, and it is unclear if this applies to post-lay.