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Indian Command: We need light tanks, and T-72 and T-90 are too heavy for use in high-altitude Ladakh

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Indian command announced the need for a mass purchase of lungs tanks for the needs of the army. Representatives of the Indian generals say that such tanks would make it possible to "effectively resist the Chinese army in the highlands."


First of all, the option of transferring light tanks to the Ladakh region is being considered, where some time ago there was a clash between the military personnel of India and China and there was a significant escalation. Now, after multi-stage negotiations, the troops of both countries are withdrawing from the contact line, but New Delhi accuses China of "slowness in the withdrawal of its troops."

The Indian generals believe that 350 tanks weighing up to 25 tons would be a suitable option for the Indian army. It is noted that such tanks would allow better maneuvering in the highlands. It is also noted that they will be "easier to transfer to Ladakh than more massive armored vehicles."

These statements by representatives of the Indian command draw special attention to themselves in connection with the contradictory logic of New Delhi. When the T-72 and T-90 tanks of the Indian armed forces were transferred to Ladakh, the Indian military declared their indisputable advantage over the Chinese Type 15 "mountain" tanks. India region. Then the Indian officers said that the Type 36 was powerless against the T-15 and T-72, since the Russian-developed Indian tanks have more serious protection and weapons.

Now there are statements that "T-72 and T-90 are too heavy for use in Ladakh."

In addition, the Indian command expects that light tanks, which the Indian armed forces could receive, will be equipped with means of protection against air strikes - primarily from drones. In this regard, India is going to take into account the foreign experience of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh, where the Azerbaijani army actively used the Turkish attack reconnaissance drones "Bayraktar".

The Indian Arjun tanks of the Indian Armed Forces were not used at all in the Ladakh region, since they showed themselves even in the middle mountains, to put it mildly, not from the best side. One of the problems was associated with the operation of the Arjun engines in conditions of a decrease in the concentration of oxygen in the air.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira April 23 2021 16: 50
    +4
    Seven Fridays in a week.
    1. xorek
      xorek April 23 2021 17: 00
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      Seven Fridays in a week.

      You need to be able to drive .. Russian tanks also passed in the highlands. Remember the Khingan of Manchuria, the Japanese went to the rear, bypassing all their fortified areas .. Yes, and I remember the Germans were in shock when they began to crush them over the impenetrable swamps ..
      And the Indians, if only to get kickbacks ... Oh, they will remember the Russians that we advised them to put things in order in the purchases of weapons ..
      1. Pereira
        Pereira April 23 2021 17: 05
        -1
        They won't remember. Why should they remember?
        1. hrych
          hrych April 23 2021 18: 53
          +3
          Quote: Pereira
          Why should they remember?

          Well, I'll have to remember. China and Pakistan are in an alliance, and the US does not want to quarrel with Pakistan, although it longs for India's friendship. Therefore neutrality. Vishnu himself ordered the Hindus to be friends in Russia laughing Well, down there, Israeli, Turkish and other vile photo ads have already gone. And everything is clear and understandable. Hindus in the mountains need it
          1. sedoj
            sedoj April 23 2021 20: 49
            +3
            Quote: hrych

            Well, I'll have to remember. China and Pakistan are in an alliance, and the US does not want to quarrel with Pakistan, although it longs for India's friendship. Therefore neutrality. Vishnu himself ordered the Hindus to be friends in Russia. Well, down there, Israeli, Turkish and other vile photo advertisements have already appeared. And everything is clear and understandable. Hindus in the mountains need it

            No, it's expensive. Let BT - 7 buy. There will be demand, we will rivet. laughing
            Oops, we already remembered about BT - 7 at the bottom.
      2. NIKN
        NIKN April 23 2021 17: 08
        +7
        350 tanks weighing up to 25 tons
        Well, these are no longer tanks, like these and there are no more BT-7 will do, the T-34 is already heavier. Not all BMPs can now fit into such a weight category.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha April 23 2021 17: 13
          +8
          Let the Octopus take it. And power and lightness
          1. NIKN
            NIKN April 23 2021 17: 44
            +6
            Octopus, yes, it seems like 18 tons. It's not easier to look for a tank in the highlands, but which engines will pull on the highlands
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 23 2021 21: 26
              +2
              winked and bmp-3 let them take a pack.
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A April 23 2021 20: 25
            -2
            Quote: Mitroha
            Let the Octopus take it. And power and lightness

            What power? 500 horses that will die by half in the mountains ...
            There, an engine is needed for 1000 horsepower, and additional armor for another 10 tons, so that it is at least somehow protected.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 23 2021 21: 28
              +1
              yes, at least 15 tons ... oh ... this is the same T-72 will be ... the export version of the Octopus needs to be made on the basis of the BMP-3, there is just a forced engine ... to throw armor up to 25 tons and will be 26 y Octopus against 27 in type-15
      3. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 23 2021 20: 23
        0
        Quote: xorek
        Quote: Pereira
        Seven Fridays in a week.

        You need to be able to drive .. Russian tanks also passed in the highlands. Remember the Khingan of Manchuria, the Japanese went to the rear, bypassing all their fortified areas .. Yes, and I remember the Germans were in shock when they began to crush them over the impenetrable swamps ..
        And the Indians, if only to get kickbacks ... Oh, they will remember the Russians that we advised them to put things in order in the purchases of weapons ..


        What are you talking nonsense again ...
        How will the history of 80 years ago help modern technology?
        Moreover, you are lying all the time - substituting concepts !!

        Khingan - there are heights in passable terrain - up to one and a half thousand kilometers ...
        Ladakh - from three thousand and more.
        The collisions were where the heights were "over four thousand meters" ...

        And where does "be able to manage" here ...
        If our test schemes are "high-altitude" - limited to an altitude of 2200-2500 meters ...
        Everything Above is not calculated!
        Everything Above is not regulated!


        What did you advise the Indians?
        They really tried to exploit in real life, and not on agitation - and made their own conclusions.

        That the diesel engine actually loses at an altitude of 3000 meters up to 40, or even 50% of its power. Absolutely any graduate of an automotive institute or technical school or, as it is now, college knows this.
        Antifreezes boil at much lower temperatures, which also contributes to engine performance.
        This is if only for the engines.
        And there are also rocky soils. and even eternally covered with ice and snow.
        The carrying capacity of which does not always hold a tank weighing under 50 tons (namely, almost as much Indian Russian tanks weigh 47 and 48 tons).

        And the fact that the Chinese created their own "mountain tank" was not at all accidental.
        They knew what they were doing.
        And the fact that after six months of real high-altitude exploitation the Indians finally got it, it does them credit.
        It is a pity that they will not buy from us.
        Our last 40 years have been making a kind of "Octopus" instead of a real light tank ...
        some kind of stupid defenseless (protection only from 7,62 in a circle), but floating and with a 125mm cannon ...
        1. knn54
          knn54 April 24 2021 08: 34
          +1
          On the mountainous terrain, ANY technique will not pass.
          And for "scanty" mountain roads to organize rockfalls, mudflows can be elementary.
          By the way, aviation in the mountains (for a number of reasons) can only fly at low altitudes, which makes it easy prey for MANPADS.
          Even in the Charter, military operations in the highlands are not clearly spelled out.
          Is that the officials from the Ministry of Defense missed the "cut".
          PS It's clear with engines, but tankers can earn altitude sickness.
    2. credo
      credo April 23 2021 17: 12
      +1
      In addition, the Indian command expects that light tanks, which the Indian armed forces could receive, will be equipped with means of protection against air strikes - primarily from drones. In this regard, India is going to take into account the foreign experience of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh, where the Azerbaijani army actively used the Turkish attack reconnaissance drones "Bayraktar".

      Wonderful things are happening in the Indian command.
      In the mountains, tanks generally have nowhere to turn around, on narrow paths, so what will be the difference if Russian tanks will be used there or lighter ones (no one knows whose).

      Taking into account reliable Russian tanks, the Indians - if they are really worried about UAVs - need to purchase additional weapons against UAVs and use them in complex with tank formations, and not chase after mythical advantages.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 23 2021 19: 51
        0
        Wonderful things are happening in the Indian command.
        In the mountains, tanks generally have nowhere to turn around, on narrow paths, so what will be the difference if Russian tanks will be used there or lighter ones (no one knows whose).

        I support. Are the Indians really going to fight with China?
        In a nightmare, they will not dream about it. Covid cannot be defeated.
      2. Denis Rumyanny
        Denis Rumyanny April 23 2021 19: 55
        +1
        Ladakh is not the Caucasus, there are not so many narrow paths. Rather a plateau, but very high.
    3. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev April 23 2021 21: 23
      0
      Nobody canceled bribes in Inliya. Apparently someone was deciding to throw off 350 Indian tanks. I wonder who?
  2. 501Legion
    501Legion April 23 2021 16: 51
    +6
    It's good that they still don't have Abrams or other NATO tanks are generally mastadons compared to the T90 and T72
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2021 17: 05
      +5
      Quote: 501Legion
      It's good that they still don't have Abrams or other NATO tanks are generally mastadons compared to the T90 and T72

      Oh ... DO NOT MIX. They have their own "Arjun"
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz April 23 2021 18: 47
        0
        I like the Churchill WW2 reminds me.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 23 2021 18: 49
          +1
          Quote: CastroRuiz
          Mne kak to Churchill 2MV napominaet.

          No, it was created with the help of the Germans, so it looks more like Leopard-2
  3. svp67
    svp67 April 23 2021 16: 52
    +1
    As always, they are "torturing" ... I wonder who has brought them the right amount of banknotes so that they suddenly LOVE light-medium tanks so much
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 23 2021 17: 02
      +12
      Well, everything is simple, or Korea with the brand new Dosan K21

      Either Sultan

      The French are unlikely. Well, or ROE with Octopus.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 23 2021 17: 04
        +4
        hi
        Most likely Korea, given how they are now moving on their market
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 23 2021 17: 16
        +4
        There are also tanks based on ASCOD. True, they are under 38 tons.
        Israeli variant of Sabrah

        Or American Griffin II

        And the Germans also have something. Marder Medium MBT
      3. pytar
        pytar April 23 2021 17: 23
        +3
        Most likely Korean. The Sultan is unlikely ... the packs will be offended, he is "Islamic" ... bully
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 23 2021 17: 39
          +4
          Is not a fact. The competition will be serious. BAE and Rheinmetall each have 2-3 variants of different medium tanks to offer. Israel has a lot to offer too. India has recently announced its desire to purchase KAZ, it is highly likely that they will take this competition.

          If, without politics, the Turks are the best option for them. Two medium tanks to choose from, besides the Kaplan, there is the Tulpar. Also option 2 KAZ.
          1. bayard
            bayard April 23 2021 20: 23
            -2
            It is optimal for them to order an "Octopus" with enhanced armor (up to 25 tons of stock as much as 7 tons) and a more powerful engine. The engine for "Kurganets" in 750 l / s will do just fine.
            Indians do not need to swim, but in the mountains an "Octopus" with such a reserve of power will be good, and its cannon is more powerful than that of any light medium tank.
            But they can also dance a square dance called "Corruption is the lubricant of defense."
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik April 23 2021 20: 48
              -2
              We take the Octopus and change it to him:
              - armor
              - engine (you need at least 1000 hp)
              - transmission
              - chassis
              - we put modern LMS
              And what remains of him? Correctly a cannon. Do you need it? Developing a new car based on a car from the 80s is, to put it mildly, stupid.
              Sprut-SD is outdated and irrelevant. The project is dead. His chances are 0. Who drags him into our army is just dancing the square dance "Corruption is the lubricant of defense."
              1. bayard
                bayard April 23 2021 21: 01
                -1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                We take the Octopus and change it to him:
                - armor

                Overhead reinforcement of the forehead and turret, screens on the sides.
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                - engine (you need at least 1000 hp)
                - transmission

                Why does a light tank (18 - 25 tons) need the power of the T-90? !!! 750 l / s is enough. Such an engine was developed for the Kurganets, and it was adapted for the updated BMP-3 with an engine in the front. So the engine and transmission are already there, adapting to the "Octopus" will not be difficult.
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                - chassis

                What for ? The existing suspension will cope. The weight will not grow much.
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                - we put modern LMS

                On the latest version of the "Octopus" the MSA is quite advanced, at the level of the T-90M. Why is it better?
                But the cannon - yes yes , the advantage will give. Over any competitor's light tank.
                In fact, it will only be necessary to strengthen the reservation with overhead sheets and sides. Installation of KAZ is possible. And the engine is no longer integrated there ... It's just that in the mountains (steep climbs and thin air), the power reserve will not hurt.
                But the choice, of course, is for the "Cygan barons".
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik April 23 2021 21: 17
                  -1
                  Quote: bayard
                  Why does a light tank (18 - 25 tons) need the power of the T-90? !!! 750 l / s is enough

                  At altitude, the power drops by 2 times by 5000. Tank for mountains.
                  Quote: bayard
                  Existing suspension will handle

                  Weight + 30% and hard ground well, well. There you need a steerable suspension. The gun's corners are not enough.
                  Quote: bayard
                  MSA is quite advanced

                  For Russia. Not for the world.
                  Quote: bayard
                  Overhead reinforcement of the forehead and turret, screens on the sides

                  Well, maybe then 14,5 will be able to hold.
                  Quote: bayard
                  advantage will give

                  Only in high-explosive impact. But it makes no sense for them to introduce a new caliber into the army, the 2a75 will probably be purchased. The same Turks are happy to install our combat modules. I really like melon, ideal for an infantry fighting vehicle / light tank.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard April 23 2021 21: 58
                    0
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Quote: bayard
                    advantage will give

                    Only in high-explosive impact. But it makes no sense for them to introduce a new caliber into the army, the 2a75 will probably be purchased.

                    Well, the advantage of the weapon is realized.
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    The same Turks are happy to install our combat modules.

                    And what about the Turks in the creation of armored vehicles of the authoritative Soviet-Russian school?
                    We can also do what we need and where we need to put it.
                    With pleasure .
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    I really like melon, ideal for an infantry fighting vehicle / light tank.

                    We are watching the latest version of the BMP-3M "Dragoon".
                    ... and we are surprised.
                    816 l / s for the new four-stroke UTD-32T with a specific power for a 21 ton (!) Machine - 38 l / s per ton of weight ... smile
                    And the armament is right - 100 mm. + 30 mm. , 40 rounds + 8 rockets + 500 rounds for 30 mm. bunches. Isn't it a light tank?
                    Only by the fact that there is also a troop compartment for 8 people.
                    Enhanced booking, side screens from "Kurganets" ...
                    And?
                    What prevents the "Octopus" tower from being installed on this power and beauty? smile
                    And what kind of WEIGHT will this car have?
                    About a miracle! Those same 25 tons, declared by the Indian Ministry of Defense! wink
                    It is now clear ?
                    "Dragoon" - the most powerful (engine and armament) infantry fighting vehicles of our time. The most thrust-armed. And the tower from the "Octopus" will give it the firepower equal to the T-90 ... with perhaps even more ammunition, a convenient rear ramp and, perhaps, with a troop compartment for 4 people ... if you wish ... or simply - more shells.
                    And the security of the “Dragoon” is quite decent.
                    And for the RF Ministry of Defense, such a light tank will not be superfluous.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik April 23 2021 22: 17
                      0
                      These are all Indian dances. That BMP-3, that BMD-4, that Sprut, that all these BTR-80 are hopelessly outdated platforms. They are all relevant for the 80-90s.
                      There is Kurganets 25 and you need to move it. On its basis, make armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, infantry support tank, anti-tank self-propelled guns, etc.
                      It is the same with Boomerang, but it makes no sense to put 125 mm on it (except for export), there will be enough melon.
                      They need to be developed. Instead of trying to revive the technique and strategy of the end of the last century.
                      1. bayard
                        bayard April 24 2021 02: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        There is Kurganets 25 and you need to move it. On its basis, make armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, infantry support tank, anti-tank self-propelled guns, etc.

                        And how much will such beauty cost?
                        Alas - more expensive than a tank. Or at the T-90MS level. How many of them can be purchased and what will be the real return from this whopper (in linear dimensions)? That is why they are in no hurry with its purchases. And as an alternative, a new version of the BMP-3M has been proposed, which has increased security, increased internal volumes of the troop compartment, and the side screens are generally taken from Kurganets. And it turned out to be an excellent BMP. Moreover, for any combat module, not only for "Bakhchu".
                        Tanks and all other armored vehicles are consumables for the war. It should be ... in sufficient quantity and not ravaging for the budget.
                        And our buyers of weapons are generally not too rich to just waste money. We need a balance between price and combat capabilities. And the Dragoon platform gives you very good opportunities to get a very good infantry fighting vehicle, a light tank and, if required, an ACS. It has been mastered by industry, so the production of combat vehicles based on it will be cheaper, and it will be possible to start production quickly and in sufficient quantities. And it will provide unification across many nodes.
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        There is Kurganets 25 and you need to move it. On its basis, make armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, infantry support tank, anti-tank self-propelled guns, etc.

                        I just imagined this shed with an anti-tank gun turret ... "a grenade launcher's dream," as this product was called, even without such a turret ... Generals of the General Staff and armored forces.
                        Kurganets-25 is a dead end - in terms of price and concept. This car is definitely not for the first line ... maybe for "police operations of the colonial troops" ... but this is somehow not about us.
                        In a war (real war) there should be a LOT of tanks and armored vehicles. Exactly - a lot. And this already means that they should be affordable, easy to repair and operate, and the industry should be able to quickly make up for the loss of such equipment.
                        And the loss of such equipment should not turn into a tragedy and "irreparable loss".
                        And this is definitely not about "Kurganets".
                        And the "Dragoon" is protected at about the same level and is much more heavily armed.
                        And yes - the Indians could get by with only dragoons, which would replace both light tanks and the BMP itself - to deliver the infantry to the battlefield and take it out from there under enemy fire.
                        But the Indians want a tank.
                        And it looks like exactly the tank that I described.
                        Why so, the question is rhetorical. Someone thinks that 100 - 105 mm. the gun is quite enough for a tank (light), but someone thinks that if it is possible to put a normal tank gun, then it should be installed, because it will work with a sub-caliber MBT, and its high-explosive projectile is more powerful, and the PUR through a 125 mm caliber barrel is still more serious than a 100 mm rocket. tools.
                        Moreover, such tanks can operate in the same order with the BMP-3M, complementing each other.
                        After all, having several good tools for different occasions is much more useful than not having something very necessary at a critical moment. Especially if these wonderful instruments are made on the same chassis.

                        And yet - only such a combination of a light chassis and a powerful tank gun with a very powerful engine (for such a weight) gives the Indians a chance to gain an advantage over the Chinese in the highlands.
                        They simply are not given another.
                        Any tank from our competitors will at best be equivalent to a Chinese one ... But China can always crush a quantity.
                        It is another matter if the qualitative superiority in weapons and maneuverability in the highlands will be able to neutralize the numerical superiority of the enemy's equipment.
                        And I don’t know of a single standing light tank weighing up to 25 tons, except for the Dragun hybrid and the Octopus turret. All are seriously heavier and have weaker engines - no more than 700 l / s versus 816 l / s from the "Dragun".
                        Do we need one like this?
                        Question. But we also have high mountains, light tanks are easier to transfer by air, they are usually floating (and there are so many rivers in our country and in Europe), and they can corny play the role of anti-tank guns ... much better than they do it. now "Rapiers".
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        They need to be developed. Instead of trying to revive the technique and strategy of the end of the last century.

                        "Dragoon" holds 30 mm in the forehead. a projectile, and with side screens from Kurganets (and at the exhibition it was with them) - and from bots, it is better armed than any BMP of our time, including promising ones, it floats (which is inaccessible to most of the competitors), shoots missiles through the barrel, high-explosive and armor-piercing shells, the fastest on the move, the best at taking steep climbs ... Yes, our competitors can only dream of such a technique.
                        They dream.
                        But they could not catch up.

                        And if we had a Kurganets-25 in service ... they would laugh not only in Europe, but all over the world ... But for the Americans it would be like that at the very time - they love that.
          2. pytar
            pytar April 23 2021 21: 25
            +2
            Without politics, not how. So the Turks clearly won't, despite the nice cars they made. I suppose if India decides to get a tank from the mountain, like China, and holds a tender, there will be many who wish to participate. The candidate is bent under the requirements / work in extremely high mountains / everything that they have at hand. I suspect the companies are already preparing! Statements of Indian offices. persons are being followed all over the world! I read the comments of "experts" on the VO, wondering why the Hindu took care of light tanks! These members of the forum somehow lose sight of the fact that we are talking about a rather specific category of military equipment - mountain tanks! Why are they to India? You just have to look at the geographic map! You should have seen the huge, disputed territories between India and China, located above 3 thousand meters! And whoever holds the mountains and peaks, controls the valleys and plains. It is not in vain that China has already deployed its new Type 15 in Tibet and the Himalayas!
    2. xorek
      xorek April 23 2021 17: 04
      -7
      Quote: svp67
      As always, they are "torturing" ... I wonder who has brought them the right amount of banknotes so that they suddenly LOVE light-medium tanks so much

      Similarly, Sergei, the rollback was brought about by cunning Western concerns .. Or maybe it's for the better, we now need new tanks in Russia .. It's time to create a tank fist. soldier
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 23 2021 16: 52
    +5
    Buying weapons is a lucrative business for the Indian military.
    1. xorek
      xorek April 23 2021 17: 11
      -5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Buying weapons is a lucrative business for the Indian military.

      But in the event of a conflict, they will be gouged in a couple of months and it turns out that nothing takes off from them and does not start. But everything shiny and beautiful in hangars is worth .. Ugh damn it.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 23 2021 17: 41
        -1
        Bentleys with Rolls Royces will be in their private hangars. The Americans riveted a "light" tank! Hindus can run it in the Himalayas.
  5. pytar
    pytar April 23 2021 16: 59
    +5
    The Hindu realized that specialized tanks were needed to operate in the extreme conditions of the highlands. China is ahead of them, India will have to look for an answer. I wonder what kind of car they will buy?

    Chinese light tank Type 15 (VT5)
    1. Yura
      Yura April 23 2021 17: 04
      +2
      Quote: pytar
      I wonder what kind of car they will buy?

      Bazookas in tow at a moped, it will be the most.)))
      1. pytar
        pytar April 23 2021 17: 27
        +4
        Bazookas in tow at a moped, it will be the most.)))

        I don’t know how there was a bazooka from a moped, but an "Indian strain of covid" appeared, which turned out to be the most infectious and deadly of all known so far! Given the density of the population and the low level of hygiene, a strong deterioration is expected in the situation in the subcontinent ... what
        1. Yura
          Yura April 23 2021 18: 46
          +2
          Quote: pytar
          Given the density of the population and the low level of hygiene, a strong deterioration is expected in the situation in the subcontinent ...

          I agree with you, now I would not be at war, but all together to solve these problems, but to see the man has not yet gone far from the four-legged. Such is the crown of the creation of nature.
          1. pytar
            pytar April 23 2021 21: 06
            +2
            I agree with you, now I would not be at war, but all together to solve these problems, but to see the man has not yet gone far from the four-legged. Such is the crown of the creation of nature.

            Unfortunately, we must all face difficult times. Cataclysm and disasters of a very different, global nature. Times of transition, times of change. In such periods, relations between people are aggravated. Fight for survival. Of course, it is better to get along and deal with problems together. But as history shows, a person in extreme situations often goes berserk. He had not yet matured to an understanding that excludes animal instincts.
            Man is truly the crown of nature. But the crown is unfinished. Evolution continues, we still have a long way to go to perfection. hi
            Judgments are a little off topic, but India is still a country of the greatest spiritual culture, and I consider it permissible for us to speculate not only about tanks ... hi
            1. Yura
              Yura April 23 2021 21: 20
              +1
              Quote: pytar
              Judgments are a little off topic, but India is still a country of the greatest spiritual culture, and I think it is permissible for us to talk not only about tanks

              This is so, here on the resource, I did not notice the transcendental limitations, so why not talk, by the way, this makes it possible to get to know each other better, which leads to understanding. It is not necessary to agree with everything, but it is important to understand your opponent or like-minded person. hi
  6. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 23 2021 17: 02
    -1
    A light tank is an armored personnel carrier))
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 23 2021 17: 06
    +1
    And we have there no PT-76s lying around?
  8. Charik
    Charik April 23 2021 17: 16
    +1
    So these Octopus will fit
  9. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 23 2021 17: 34
    -2
    BT-5 can be offered to them, there are also museums)
  10. Basarev
    Basarev April 23 2021 17: 34
    -1
    It's paradoxical. The Hindus say that they need light tanks - but for many years now the heavy Arjun has been sharpening.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 23 2021 17: 41
      -1
      What is the paradox? Different tanks for different theaters. Modern military thought has come to abandon MBT. Advanced armies have a full line of heavy, medium, and light tanks.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 23 2021 20: 38
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Advanced armies have a full line of heavy, medium, and light tanks.

        And what are the average and heavy ones in the USA now? Or in Germany? Or France?
      2. Alf
        Alf April 24 2021 21: 30
        0
        So the answer will be?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 24 2021 23: 16
          0
          Banned in search engines? Or did you not teach how to use the Internet?


          1. Alf
            Alf April 25 2021 21: 52
            0
            Since when did the Stryker become a tank? And then, where are the medium and heavy ones? Name at least one medium tank in the US Army. What are the medium tanks in France? And in Germany, what is there besides the Leopard?
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 23 2021 18: 50
      +4
      The Indians place their Arjunas: 1) to break through fortified defense lines,
      2) as an anti-tank self-propelled gun.
      And Russian T-90s are used: 1) to support the infantry, 2) for deep raids
      after breaking through the defense.
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  12. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 23 2021 18: 43
    -1
    Octopus quite fit bi, but if you see him in the series, no.
    1. Denis Rumyanny
      Denis Rumyanny April 23 2021 19: 59
      +1
      An octopus would not have helped. There the matter is in the oxygen starvation of the engine. That Octopus that T-90 and even Abrams - only a turbocharger of increased power.
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz April 24 2021 09: 38
        0
        On a takuyu series kotoruyu he wants to buy an IN, and he will put a turbocharger on the Octopus engine.
        1. Denis Rumyanny
          Denis Rumyanny April 24 2021 20: 07
          0
          Well, so you can put a compressor on the T-72, why spend money on the Octopus.
      2. Klingon
        Klingon April 24 2021 22: 24
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        and the T-80 ?? gas turbine engine there? i just guess i'm in technique layman laughing
        1. Denis Rumyanny
          Denis Rumyanny April 26 2021 09: 27
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          On the T-80, only the settings can be changed, but the tank is a high-speed one, not a draft one.
  13. Sergey84
    Sergey84 April 23 2021 20: 13
    0
    Did they try to start them? )
  14. Sergey84
    Sergey84 April 23 2021 20: 14
    0
    Did they try to start them?)
  15. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 23 2021 21: 23
    -1
    It remains to understand who and how much threw the Indian general.
  16. Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 23 2021 21: 37
    -2
    In general, it would be nice for our people to hurry up and offer to start with buying a BMP-3, and then a version of a light tank based on it ..
  17. Graz
    Graz April 23 2021 22: 02
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    Seven Fridays in a week.

    all Indians are in this
  18. Emil Azeri
    Emil Azeri April 24 2021 10: 56
    +1
    T-72 and T90 of Azerbaijan at the moment feel great in the mountains of Kelbajar and Gubatly, in some places at an altitude of 2500 - 2800 meters above sea level. So there is no need for India to compose such tales .. A bad dancer gets in the way.
  19. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 24 2021 12: 45
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    Not satisfied with the T-72, T-90 and religiously correct Arjuns? Try to buy Type 15 from the Chinese. Suddenly they will sell laughing
    Although unlikely. The Chinese do not award such "effective managers" as we have in Russia with orders, but put them up against the wall. And rightly so.
  20. Klingon
    Klingon April 24 2021 22: 21
    +1
    what is the problem? comrades Brahmana, buy Octopus SD and you will be happy! wassat ... Hare Krishna! laughing
  21. Alexander Terentyev
    Alexander Terentyev April 25 2021 16: 31
    -1
    We need to sell our light domestic tanks MS-1 to India from the Russian warehouses of the State Reserve
    They performed well in the highlands of Mongolia, crushing the Japanese in 1938.
  22. Glad
    Glad April 25 2021 23: 32
    0
    And who made the Indians use the T-90 in the mountains? Oh, I know! They were Petrov and Boshirov! It was they who corrupted the Indian command ...
  23. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin April 26 2021 23: 10
    0
    Before that, the T-90s felt great in the mountains, so they were transferred, in contrast to the elegant charm of Arjun. And now the mountains do not hold, the tongue sticks to the armor strongly?