Germany is looking for compromises around Nord Stream 2

Due to the tough position of the United States in relation to Nord Stream 2, the FRG can complete the construction of the gas pipeline only at the cost of large foreign policy losses. And the refusal of the project is fraught with payments of multibillion-dollar penalties.

Nikolaus Doll, whose article was published by the German newspaper Die Welt, spoke about how Germany is looking for compromises around Nord Stream 2.

German politicians believe that in this situation, Berlin needs a "plan B". In particular, the idea of ​​a temporary freeze on construction has been gaining popularity in Germany lately, which can be linked to a package of political demands on the Kremlin.

We need a solution that would save face for all parties. A moratorium could be such a decision.

- said the deputy of the Bundestag from the CDU party Roderich Kiesewetter.

Another option is not to stop construction, but simply not to start the gas pipeline after its completion.

An alternative to the moratorium could be the following solution: the pipeline will be completed, but Russian gas will not be allowed through it as long as foreign policy issues remain unresolved.

- the deputy proposes.

It is also worth noting that not everyone in Germany is happy with the rude US intervention in Europe's energy policy. They do not think that concentrating on SP-2 to put pressure on the Kremlin is a good idea.

Concentration of efforts only on Nord Stream in order to put pressure on the Kremlin is unlikely to lead to anything. Moreover, it is not correct on the part of the Americans. After all, they themselves still buy Russian oil in large quantities.

- said the representative of the SPD party Nils Schmid.

Despite the change of administration, the United States, like under Trump, intends to stop the construction of Nord Stream 2 at any cost. Therefore, they exert powerful pressure on Berlin, trying to force it to go against their economic interests.

Comments

[NIKN]

We need a solution that would save face for all parties.

You need to know the Americans, they will consider it a weakness and will only assert their omnipotence, which will lead to even greater pressure and escalation.

[Ross xnumx]

Germany is looking for compromises around Nord Stream 2

And Russia should look for compromises on oil and gas supplies to please the oligarchs and think about how to make domestic energy prices the lowest in the world ... To make the construction of factories and factories in the country more profitable than the same abroad ...
Domestic electronics (element base) should be developed, and not seek compromises with Chinese components for Roscosmos and aviation.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ROSS 42

And Russia should seek compromises on oil and gas supplies to please the oligarchs and thinkhow to make domestic energy prices the lowest in the world.

It's not even about the oligarchs, but about the government, which needs to moderate its appetites. 75% of the cost of a liter of gasoline are excise taxes, duties and taxes. Relatively speaking, out of 100 paid liters of gasoline, babosy for 75 liters is taken by the treasury, and for the remaining 25 liters the oligarchs from which they pay salaries to workers and bear other expenses for production and transportation. By increasing taxes and excise taxes on the oil industry, the government itself spurs the rise in the price of gasoline, and then a chain reaction follows with an increase in prices for everything where there is a transport component that consumes fuel and lubricants. After that, the government puffs up its eyes and for some time has been demonstrating manual control of price increases. To reduce excise taxes means to increase the share of the oligarch and reduce the income to the treasury. This is such an intricate gaidaronomics.

[Barberry25]

well ok .. will you have cheap gasoline .. and broken expensive ones .. will it become easier for you? oh yes .. there will be a reason to yell that the roads are bad

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Barberry25

well ok .. will you have cheap gasoline .. and broken expensive ones .. will it become easier for you? oh yes .. there will be a reason to yell that the roads are bad

Your thought has drawn an interesting zigzag. How did you tie shitty roads to the pricing structure per liter of gasoline?
PS-By the way, now gasoline is expensive, but the roads are still bad.

[Barberry25]

I'll tell you a secret - the lion's share of the excise tax goes to road maintenance ..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Barberry25

I'll tell you a secret - the lion's share of the excise tax goes to road maintenance ..

So where is it - Content? With these targeted road maintenance excise taxes, these roads must be covered with gold leaf. There is no control over the use of funds, that's the trouble. You can make a liter for 500 rubles, but the quality of the roads will remain the same as long as there are schemes for the withdrawal of funds and connivance on the part of the authorities.

[Barberry25]

and we have few roads? for example, the roads between the cities have become much better, well, in the cities themselves they began to tighten .. and where is it with you?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Barberry25

and we have few roads? for example, the roads between the cities have become much better, well, in the cities themselves they began to tighten .. and where is it with you?

I can judge by two regions at once - the Komi Republic and the Yaroslavl Region, and here and there, the roads leave much to be desired. In the Yaroslavl province it will be even worse than in the North.

[Barberry25]

we have road norms in the black earth

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Barberry25

we have road norms in the black earth

Everything is relative. Let's finish for this

[Barberry25]

Have a nice weekends too

[Mini Mokik]

Come to Latvia. My BMW x3 with 3 liter engine, tax per year under 200 euros. Diesel price - 1.30 euros. Welcome!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mini Mokik

Come to Latvia.

Thank you, but you'd better come to us

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And here it is unlikely that the government will pull it .. So much time, so many hopes for oil and gas, that nothing had to be done. Lie to yourself, think and show AURUS with tanks ...

[Barberry25]

well .. this is a business .. it is always difficult without risk, but here it is not we who will lose more, but the Germans .. because if the gas pipeline is turned off, then in a few years ours and Ukrainian transit will be closed .. banal due to wear and Germans will be sad

[Sling cutter]

Quote: ROSS 42

And Russia should look for compromises on oil and gas supplies to please the oligarchs and think about how to make domestic energy prices the lowest in the world ... So that the construction of plants and factories in the country would be more profitable than the same abroad ...

Colleague, if the Russian Federation is looking for compromises to please the oligarchs, then energy prices in Russia will never be low!
This is an axiom!

[Real Pilot]

In this context, I would like to quote Sir Winston Churchill:

"If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame."

The retreat is not only an economic defeat for Germany, but also a political one. Sovereignty is expensive, and the future of this "locomotive of the EU" is at stake in many ways. And gas is just an indicator of the state of affairs ...

[venik]

Quote: NIKNN

You need to know the Americans, they will consider it a weakness and will only assert their omnipotence, which will lead to even greater pressure and escalation.

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Yeah! They are. Only strength is recognized!

[Barberry25]

and at the same time offers options that will suit only Americans ... I would say right away ... we provide intimate services to Americans

[tralflot1832]

They will stop construction badly for Germany, finish it too badly.

[210ox]

Do you think there are those still alive ?? !! In the first months of captivity, the axis was bent by almost 70%. How much time has passed?

[tralflot1832]

There is still, they will find. With German medicine for the pennies, everything is fine. Today, the last defender of the Brest Fortress, Pyotr Kotelnikov, died in the Moscow region. Eternal memory to Soviet soldiers!

[210ox]

Low bow to the Warrior? By the way, this sad news is bypassed in the media. In any case, I learned about it from you.

[tralflot1832]

RIA Novosti reported.

[210ox]

Even so. ... And no matter how you open the Internet, then the war of diplomats, then Lesha Karnavalny left starving.

[tralflot1832]

Well, once I gave it up, it means I realized that I would stay until the last call.

[sgapich]

Quote: tralflot1832

... Today the last defender of the Brest Fortress Pyotr Kotelnikov died in the Moscow region. Eternal memory to Soviet soldiers!

Today Colonel Pyotr Pavlovich Kotelnikov was buried with military honors at the Federal War Memorial Cemetery in Mytishchi. Died Wednesday 21 April.
https://ria.ru/20210423/vov-1729644438.html

[Nyrobsky]

Considering that elections are coming soon in Germany and Angela Merkel will leave the post of chancellor, the freezing of construction until the adoption of a political package will mean that a package of political requirements will be formed until she leaves office, after which the new chancellor will stop construction for the sake of mattresses. from the word in general. So the completion and temporary postponement of filling with gas is preferable for Germany, at least while Merkel is in power.

[Barberry25]

but what's the difference? the Americans are torpedoing the project anyway ... in general, I think that the situation is this: if they refuse, ours will simply close the project and supply gas from Western Siberia to China, and the Germans ... will buy our own gas, only more expensive and liquefied ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Barberry25

who cares?

Yes, a big difference.
In the first version, it is definitely a sentence to the construction site.
In the second option - completion and transfer to standby mode.
What is easier, in case of relieving tension - to finish building and only then fill with gas, or immediately fill with gas?

[Barberry25]

for me, it’s nothing if they sign a document according to which, for example, Russia should leave Crimea or “settle the conflict in Donbass”, this is tantamount to taking it apart, because as practice has shown, Russia is accused of all sins ... extending the gas pipeline to Western Siberia ... a subtle hint - you will not take gas, we will sell it to China ... and then the Germans will have to buy more expensive liquefied gas, including ours, I already wrote about this

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Barberry25

for me, it’s nothing if they sign a document according to which, for example, Russia should leave the Crimea or “settle the conflict in Donbass”, this is tantamount to dismantling it, because as practice has shown, Russia is accused of all sins ..

The purpose of stopping the construction of SP-2 before the adoption of a package of requirements is aimed at preventing it from being completed while Merkel remains in office. After she leaves, with a high degree of probability, the project will be frozen. At the same time, the requirements for Crimea and Donbass will remain the same. Don't they demand it now?

[Barberry25]

What difference does it make whether it's finished or not, if the Germans don't start it later? Just admire the pipe?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Barberry25

What difference does it make whether it's finished or not, if the Germans don't start it later? Just admire the pipe?

If there is a pipe, there are already options for filling it.
If the mattresses push through the gas ban, then hydrogen can run through the pipe.
By the way, our fellows from Ukraine put their faith in this, in the hope that they will be able to preserve their empty GTS by filling it with hydrogen and transporting it to Germany. True, they do not take into account the fact that hydrogen has high volatility and its losses during transportation, taking into account the wear of the GTS, can be from 40 to 60%.

[NF68]

And rejection of the project is fraught with payments of multibillion-dollar penalties.

And Germany will still remain dependent on unpredictable horses, which the Germans are also not very happy about.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: NF68

And Germany will still remain addicted to unpredictable horses.

Duc as long as the Ramstein base is there and there is nuclear weapons on it, Germany will always be dependent

[NF68]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: NF68

And Germany will still remain addicted to unpredictable horses.

Duc as long as the Ramstein base is there and there is nuclear weapons on it, Germany will always be dependent

For Germany and the entire EU, the financial / economic stranglehold is much more dangerous than all the US bases put together.

[Ros 56]

They do not change horses on the crossing. Therefore, the Germans need to resist with all four, as they knew how, and not only to complete the construction, but also to launch the SP-2. And show all your and foreign whiners the way to an erotic journey. Then they will increase their authority and at the same time wipe the nose of the frogs.

[Lycan]

Just think, Germany, the industrial leader of Europe, cannot implement a project that is most profitable for itself (also within the European territory), being led by the manipulation of a state that does not border and is not in the European Union. Well, yes, both are involved in the North Atlantic. alliance - but this is not an industrial direction. SGA will impose sanctions on Germany, impose import duties, declare a trade war? Why then do we need such a partner who interferes with development? Ah, SGA is the largest trading partner .. Well, then you need to understand that the goals of such an aggressive partner for today. day, no more, no less - to drive the FRG "into a corner", cut off the path of development and competitiveness, well, and turn it into something like a nominal territory on the "globe".

[Soldatov V.]

An ordinary Russian doesn't care about the relationship between the United States and Deutschland on gas. We are worried about the environmental program in Russia. If coal is replaced with gas, emissions will be reduced ten times at least. We ourselves will not have enough if we use it properly. We don't care what they will do with their own people. We need to divide Gazprom into parts - western, eastern in the direction abroad and internal for deliveries only within the country. Then gasification will go. Let them freeze the project, maybe Gazprom will tear off the fifth point and looks out the window: how is Russia?

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: V.

Gazprom will tear off the fifth point and look out the window: how is Russia there?

And that Russia is not supplied with gas? Gasification is progressing much faster than even in Soviet times. Much depends on the governors. For example, the Kuzbass itself does not want to be supplied with gas. The coal lobby decides.

[Soldatov V.]

Maybe it is gasified to the Urals, but not beyond the Urals. I am raising the question of large-scale power generation - CHP. Cities in Siberia are suffocating from coal. Yes, the owners of coal lie down with bones so as not to convert the CHP to gas. In Novosibirsk, even some CHP plants were switched from gas to coal . Kuzbass by air is hell. For GAZPROM, Germany is above all.

[Alexander X]

It is necessary to finish building more quickly so that the Germans do not look for compromises. Completion, start pumping gas, and suddenly the pipe will break through Ukraine ... Well, it's worn out ... And the question will be closed ...

[Basarev]

It is much more profitable for Germany to trade with the rich USA than with the impoverished Russia. So both economically and politically it would be more profitable to close the gas pipeline. And do whatever the States say. Germany is not in a position to contradict. The United States is a superpower, everything is allowed to them, and Germany is an occupied country.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Basarev

So both economically and politically it would be more profitable to close the gas pipeline. And do whatever the States say.

There is a personal interest of the former and current leadership.

[ximkim]

An alternative to the moratorium could be the following solution: the pipeline will be completed, but Russian gas will not be allowed through it as long as foreign policy issues remain unresolved.

The gas pipeline is political, no more.
If the gas pipeline and the gas flowing through it were a purely economic project, then no sanctions would have hindered SP-2.
If this goes on and longer, then the bowels of Russia will lose

[123456789]

Quote: V.

We need to divide Gazprom into parts - western, eastern in the direction of foreign countries and internal for deliveries only within the country. Then gasification will go.

Sharikov: But what is there to propose? .. Otherwise they write, write ... Congress, some Germans ... my head swells! Take everything, and divide ...

[Barberry25]

and it is still progressing ... why are you not satisfied with the current gasification?

[Soldatov V.]

In Gazprom, it is based on the residual principle, and is aimed at individual farming, but it is needed for large-scale energy, chemistry, and transport.

[Barberry25]

for Chemistry, several large factories are being built throughout the country, Some for 1 trillion at a cost .. just like "gas for cars" is growing, as well as laying gas pipelines to villages .. by the way, in the USSR, the RSFSR was an outsider in gasification .. first gas to Ukraine and Belarus, and then maybe to Russia ..

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Horns and legs remain from the former might of Germany ..
After the Treaty of Versailles, Adolf Schickelgreber brought the Germans to the Volga and conquered all of Europe. And all subsequent chancellors are afraid to breathe without the permission of America, and even Africans and Arabs were dragged into the country. Degradation of the nation and complete degeneration. Looks like our grandfathers knocked them on the head well, the Germans still live and look around. Spineless nation.

[rotfuks]

One can only wonder how the whole Germany is being bent down for the sake of the American advantage. First, they took the gold reserves from the Germans, and now they are selling their gas at an inflated price. After that, all the talk about the free market looks like ordinary chatter.

[Zomanus]

So the fact of the matter is that they will not have gas, even at an inflated price. For gas from America is more profitable to transport to Asia than to Europe.

[Zomanus]

Come on, winter isn't that far. In the fall, we will either finish building the pipe, or the Hans will freeze again.