Battle for Siberia and Russia

Vasily Ivanovich Surikov, "The Conquest of Siberia by Yermak"

The Russian statehood is being secretly eroded step by step. In Tobolsk, Russians are not allowed to name the new airport after Yermak. This is a dispute about the future of the Russian state and the people. Will we become faceless citizens of the world or will we remain Russian?

Discord in Tobolsk

A new airport is being built in Tobolsk since 2019. The first technical flight took place in 2020. It should work from this year. The Great Names of Russia competition has started in 2018. Within its framework, the names of great compatriots are assigned to Russian airports. In March 2021, Tobolsk announced the start of a campaign to choose a name for the new air harbor. The Public Chamber of Tobolsk has proposed five names of prominent fellow countrymen for the popular vote. The final list includes the architect and cartographer Semyon Remezov, composer Alexander Alyabyev, artist Vasily Perov, poet Pyotr Ershov and ethnographer Mikhail Znamensky.

It is interesting that the ataman Ermak Timofeevich was not included in this list. This is not the first attempt to validate the list of names. In December 2020, after the first wave of indignation, Yermak was included in the list. However, now his name has disappeared again.

But this year marks 440 years since the beginning of the Siberian campaign of Ermak. Among the many great Siberians who can be called the Tobolsk airport, the leading place is occupied by the Russian Cossack, the conqueror of Siberia for the Russian state. Russian pioneers, including Yermak, unlike, for example, the Spanish conquistadors or English pirates, did not bring violence, genocide of the local population on religious, racial or ethnic grounds. On the contrary, they defended the natives from oppression and arbitrariness, strife and raids. The Russians brought a high civilization, spiritual and material culture to Siberia. The indigenous peoples of Siberia became part of the great Russian multinational civilization. Not the slaves of the Russians, not people of the second or third class, but full-fledged citizens and residents of the Russian state.

Therefore, the assertion that the assignment of the name of Yermak to Tobolsk airport “rocks the boat” has no basis in Siberia. Siberia is a Russian land inhabited mainly by Russian people. The decision must be made by the townspeople themselves. Russian people, masters of their land.

The threat of global internationalism and multiculturalism

It turns out that local officials have decided to be part of the global trend - the struggle for the rights of national, religious, sexual minorities, women, for tolerance and multiculturalism.

We see how racially motivated pogroms are taking place in the United States. Where the cops are forced to kneel before the black thugs. They are removing monuments to prominent figures of the South, the Confederates. In the States, monuments are being demolished even to Columbus and the presidents who advocated the emancipation of slaves.

This wave of struggle with its own history came to Europe. Football matches and other sporting events begin with a ritual kneeling. The United States and Europe are being deprived of their historical memory and national identity. Because the memory that is embodied in a monument, sculpture, any historical symbol is a kind of gathering point, unity, solidarization of the people. A nation, a people have places of memory, shrine and achievements. If you destroy them, then you can completely separate and separate people, and individually, almost any person can be subdued, broken. Turn into a slave to a new world order.

The destruction of the old world, civilizations, cultures, religions, races, nations and families, as the basis of the state, is taking place. The “fight for the rights” of various minorities is used as a tool of destruction. In the USA they are “colored”, first of all blacks. Since Asians and Hispanics are busy with work, they have no time to rebel. Also, various left-wing radicals, new Trotskyists, anarchists, liberals, globalists, homosexuals, etc. Propaganda of the LGBT community is a powerful tool for destroying the state and society. This happens by dismantling the principles of morality from the field of sexual and sexual relations, the elimination of a normal, traditional family. According to the plan of the designers, we should have neither a normal family, nor children, nor morality.

In Western Europe, the emphasis is on migrants, propaganda of various kinds of perversion, and the destruction of families. Tolerance and multiculturalism are implanted literally through terror. It is forbidden to say that most of the serious crimes are on the conscience of migrants. Any and frankly weak attempts of European nationalists to resist are immediately branded as fascism and Nazism. In general, this is a single process, a mechanism for the destruction and self-destruction of European civilization. Its Christianity has already been practically destroyed. The white race in general and the indigenous peoples of Europe in particular are rapidly aging and dying out. In a couple of generations, Southern Europe will become part of Muslim Asia and Africa. Northern Europe will follow.

Self-destruction of the global North

What's happening?

In fact, we see a consistent process of destruction and self-destruction of the global North, the white race and the indigenous peoples of Europe. Society is deprived of defense mechanisms, people now perceive the world through the prism of tolerance and multiculturalism. Society is amazed by the ideas of abandoning the family, childlessness, and the LGBT community. Suppressed by the global liberal culture, society seeks escape or adaptation. Constraint of their own rights, the rights of the owners of their land, is taken for granted.

People are taught to diminish rights and freedoms, to abandon their own culture, history, religion, language and traditions. Ultimately, to abandon one's own civilization and culture. In order to then create another world in the vacant place.

Global "Babylon", where there will be no different races and cultures, peoples and languages, religions and traditions. This is universalism in everything. This is what the adherents of the new world order are talking about. Universal culture, language, values, social relations and power, norms of behavior. For example, in Switzerland, the USA and France, dads and moms were canceled. They were replaced by the terms "parent # 1" and "parent # 2". All these are elements of a new world order.

Thus, the dispute in Tobolsk may seem insignificant, a trifle. However, this is a dispute about the future of the Russian state and the people. Will we become faceless citizens of the world? Or will we remain Russian-Rus, ready to stand up to death for our many-thousand-year-old Rod and Motherland?

There will be more further. They will find out which of the Russian generals and statesmen "oppressed" and "colonized" which peoples. Russian poets and writers will certainly find racism, anti-Semitism, etc. And soon Russia will cease to belong to the Russians. Therefore, it is necessary to give a tough rebuff to such inclinations. To preserve what is still left of Russian history, culture and language. Or they will crush us.

Stele to Ermak in the Garden of Ermak, Tobolsk. In the background is the wall of the Tobolsk Kremlin. The project of the monument was developed in St. Petersburg by Academician Bryullov. The opening took place in 1839

Comments

[Lynx2000]

It is commendable to perpetuate memory with steles and signs, to name cities, airports, ships and airplanes in honor of outstanding people.
But, if you do not deal with the education of our children, in the future, with a probability of 100% the grown-up generation, flying away from the airport. Yu.A. Gagarin will be considered to be named after a relative of the "famous singer" Polina Gagarina.
Memory and knowledge are stored not only on marble slabs and paper sheets, but in the minds and hearts. Recent decades have shown that the facts of history can be interpreted in reverse. People lose their ability for analytics and reasoning, they are accustomed to receive ready-made information with someone else's assessment.
If LGBT representatives disseminate information about themselves, seek and impose a demonstration of any **** at school on my child, it already turns out that they are not tolerant?

[Revolver]

Quote: Lynx2000

If LGBT representatives disseminate information about themselves, seek and impose a demonstration of any **** at school on my child, it already turns out that they are not tolerant?

Well, as you don’t understand, this is completely different !!!

[Tatyana]

Unfortunately, the author in the article speaks only about the ADMINISTRATION of Tobolsk and about the general tendencies of the erosion of national states in the world and does not mention at all those who are exactly RAGE on ethnic grounds in Tobolsk about giving the name of Yarmak Timofeevich to the new airfield.
Let me remind you that the collapse of the USSR began on the periphery on a NATIONAL basis. And the same tendencies are beginning to manifest themselves in the Russian Federation.
It is on these "BESOV" that the attention of the Russians should be drawn!

In particular, the historian and analyst A.I. Fursov draws the attention of Russians to this.

... “At the end of March this year, a scandal erupted in Tobolsk over whose name the city's airport should bear. <...> The proposal to name the airport after Yermak Timofeevich was quite logical and historically justified. It was with him that the growth of Russia and Siberia began. It would seem that, The candidacy is indisputable, but she found zealous, noisy opponents - the local organization "Heritage", which positions itself as a representative of the SIBERIAN Tatars. In their opinion, Yermak is an invader, almost an occupier, and therefore, the airport cannot be called by his name ”...
... “The local authorities, apparently afraid to quarrel with the noisy minority, followed his lead and the name of Yermak disappeared from the list.
In my opinion, this whole situation goes far beyond the problem of Ermak, the airport and Tobolsk. We are dealing with a very dangerous precedent that lays a mine from afar <...> under the territorial integrity of the state of the Russian Federation and the repetition, already in Russia, of the process of the collapse of the USSR.
If Ermak Timofeevich and other Cossacks were pioneers of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, the same Erofei Khabarov, for example, thanks to whom Siberia and the Far East became part of Russia, conquerors, occupiers, then this automatically means that the Russian invaders, they occupied, captured Siberia, and, for example , defeated by Ermak on Tobol, Khan Kuchum emerges as a hero, a fighter for national liberation "...
“The next move, according to this flawed logic, is that Siberia does not belong to the Russians, since they are occupiers, from here one step is either to the slogan of Russians out of Siberia, or to the slogan of Siberia as a separate state. We know perfectly well which foreign states, which transnational corporations, whose special services and which part of the fifth column support and feed Siberian separatism. Regardless of its Panturkist or Siberian guise, the goal is one - to split Siberia from the Russian Federation and transfer it under the so-called international control, that is, under the plunder by Western corporations "...

See in detail - The dismemberment of Russia is neglected in Siberia, just like the USSR. By historian and analyst A. Fursov - https://maxpark.com/community/129/content/7374466

In general, the company against Ermak in Tobolsk is aimed at revising the historical development of Russia and the role and assessment of its state of the forming people - the Russians in Siberia. In this case, rhetoric of the opposition organization "Heritage" - opponents for the name of the airport - is quite reminiscent of the rhetoric of Bandera in Ukraine, nationalists in the Baltics, in Georgia, in the former Central Asian republics ...

[Tatyana]

90%

People are taught to diminish rights and freedoms, to abandon their own culture, history, religion, language and traditions. Ultimately, to abandon one's own civilization and culture. In order to then create another world in the vacant place.

This is how the "New World Order" is being built with the survival of only 1 billion. people on Earth. However, this so-called. The "golden billion" owners of money are not at all planned to be "golden" for everyone, but only for 10% of the "elite"! The remaining 90% of these 10% (gentlemen) will still be just as biorobots in their service.

Here is the revanchist idea of ​​creating the Great Turan by the otomanist and Islamist Erdogan - this is also the brainchild of London and Tel Aviv.
Map of Great Turan.

The newspaper "Turkey" in October 2020 proposed to form a united pan-Turkist army to defend the interests of the Muslim-Turkic world, provoking a clash of ethno-religious contradictions in the Muslim East. The publication as part of the Turan army sees not only Turkey and Azerbaijan, but also Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan. The provocation is clearly directed by its edge, first of all, against the Islamic Republic of Iran, China and the Russian Federation.

As you know, Tajikistan, geohistorically remaining a part of the Indo-European, Iranian (Farsi-lingual) world, has nothing to do with the Turkic ecumene. A significant part of the population in Uzbekistan, primarily in the years. Samarkand and Bukhara also consider themselves to be the descendants of the Indo-Europeans.

Central Asia is the sphere of traditional interests of the Russian Federation, but today not only Turkey but also China, which is especially active in Tajikistan and Kazakhstan, is actively penetrating there.

The newspaper "Turkey" did not include a number of countries and peoples in the Pan-Turkic army, although it can be assumed that in this way it would be possible to attract the power structures of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Turkish Cyprus, the Turks of Georgian Adjara, the Russian Volga region and the North Caucasus, Crimea, Gagauzia and others. The publication clearly gives the desired by Erdogan's clique as real, which no longer hesitates to openly declare the ideas of Ottomanism, Pan-Turkism, Pan-Islamism in the world.

See details. - https://politinform.su/128018-velikij-turan-detische-londona-i-tel-aviva.html

[Nyrobsky]

What is characteristic Tatiana, in spite of the fact that Crimea is painted as Turkish land on the map, not a single squeal from the official Kuyev and "national patriots" was heard on this occasion. Neither the editor-in-chief of the Turkey newspaper nor Erdogan was even included in the Peacemaker. Like - "don’t take the Turks, if only not Russia." Some sort of selective "patriotism" they have, they have already profited the whole country.

[ironic]

Is it under the document that the Turkish land of Crimea, as a guarantor of territorial integrity, put its signature on the Russian Federation?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ironic

Is it under the document that the Turkish land of Crimea, as a guarantor of territorial integrity, put its signature on the Russian Federation?

Not. Russia signed the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiysky treaty on July 21, 1774, securing the victory of Russia in the Russian-Turkish war and securing the position that Crimea is RUSSIAN.
There are no other, interstate, agreements on changing the international legal status of Crimea in nature.

[ironic]

Yes you? Do the signatories of this document, together with the Russian Federation, know about this?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ironic

Do the signatories of this document, together with the Russian Federation, know about this?

What document do you mean?

[ironic]

The Budapest Memorandum for example.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ironic

The Budapest Memorandum for example.

Memorandum is not a treaty, alas
In addition, it seems to me (not sure) that in the Budapest Memorandum Ukraine should have had a non-aligned status, and therefore its aspiration to NATO is already a violation of the terms of the said Memorandum. I will not argue, it’s not interesting. Nothing depends on our points of view in the current moment of relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

[ironic]

Have you read it? Do you know what the signatures are under? This is an agreement set out in the form of a memorandum. Is Ukraine already in NATO? Not. Anyone can aspire to NATO. It is not prohibited.

[podymych]

Yes, in NATO, who just did not ask. Even the USSR knocked on the door once or twice - but there they were "shocked" in such a way that they are still quite hooked on some people.

[ironic]

Shuganuli not from the country, shuganuli from how much has returned to normal.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Tatiana

brainchild of London and Tel Aviv

Until the Zionists stop settling in the campus to the detriment of the indigenous peoples of Siberia, there will be no order. the desionization of science and the expulsion of alien Semitic elements from it is necessary.

[ironic]

You have almost none of them, and you are all looking for Jews for hatred? Look, even this you do not have Antosemites. Seriously.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ironic

You have almost none of them, and you are all looking for Jews for hatred? Look, even this you do not have Antosemites. Seriously.

Who is absent? Zionists? Yes, they are everywhere. They have taken over the great Russian science. Who Developed the Companion Vaccine? Why are there so few Russian names among the developers.

[ironic]

Do the Zionists strangle you in bed at night? Have you tried to see a doctor? Maybe he would prescribe you what kind of treatment for the Zionist persecution?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ironic

Do the Zionists strangle you in bed at night? Have you tried to see a doctor? Maybe he would prescribe you what kind of treatment for the Zionist persecution?

It’s good for you Israel, we got a job there, and we, the indigenous, should prosper here for 15000 rubles.

[ironic]

On avtal? Well, you can't sit on an avalanche for long. And you do not shout too much. Good luck for 15K rubles ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ironic

On avtal? Well, you can't sit on an avalanche for long. And you do not shout too much. Good luck for 15K rubles ...

Poor, but spiritually rich. We do not oppress the Palestinians, on the contrary, we send them different buns every time, pita, hummus, tahini, machine guns, portraits of Putin.

[ironic]

Yeah, I read spiritual wealth every day on VO ... it seems so deep that it ends with a hole in a place that has no bones. Palestinians? Are you not oppressing the Jews? Wow, how it is ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ironic

Palestinians? Are you not oppressing the Jews? Wow, how it is ...

You are a good person, Sasha, but you answer poorly. Since I was undermined by my sarcasm, then answer in full with argumentation. And you snap. It's childish. About the Palestinians he replied crappy.

[ironic]

It seems to you that it’s bad, because you don’t know the story, and I just wrote this phrase, directly and head-on, without a hint of humor or sarcasm. You ask who was called the Palestinians and where the "Palastin people" of Arab origin were born and, most importantly, when.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: ironic

It seems to you that it’s bad, because you don’t know the story, and I just wrote this phrase, directly and head-on, without a hint of humor or sarcasm. You ask who was called the Palestinians and where the "Palastin people" of Arab origin were born and, most importantly, when.

The main thing in the conversation, pay attention to "al-ha-pratim ha-ktanim." And a little more "hush humor". And everything will be "sababa". "barur"?

[ironic]

Those. was it Mika Kam style standup? Well, "ma lomar" ... "le matshik". That is why it was probably "le barur". Sorry for not making out and interfering. Krasnodar has everything "bezman ve bemakom". But it doesn't matter ... let's go.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Tatiana

Here is the revanchist idea of ​​creating the Great Turan by the otomanist and Islamist Erdogan - this is also the brainchild of London and Tel Aviv.

if it has already gone there, then it would be correct to say the brainchild of Jerusalem.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

Quote: Tatiana

Here is the revanchist idea of ​​creating the Great Turan by the otomanist and Islamist Erdogan - this is also the brainchild of London and Tel Aviv.

if it has already gone there, then it would be correct to say the brainchild of Jerusalem.

For the official St. Petersburg, the capital of Israel has always been and remains the united and indivisible Tel Aviv.

[Revolver]

Graters between Russians and Tatars about the name of the airport, but the Jews are to blame. Let's already declare the Tatar-Mongol yoke a Zionist conspiracy against the God-bearing people and the conquests of the Great October Revolution.

[ironic]

For the official just Jerusalem, read the officialdom of your own country and its Foreign Ministry. In Tel Aviv there is not a single government institution of Israel and there will not be a meeting with your officialdom, in that case, St. Petersburg will only be with the officialdom of Jerusalem, so now it will always be.

[ironic]

They are the roots of racism, great-power chauvinism and revanchism in all their glory. It turns out that the Russian empire liberated the peoples of Siberia, from the nationality ...

[hagen]

Quote: Tatiana

the rhetoric of the opposition Heritage organization - opponents for the name of the airport - is quite reminiscent of the rhetoric of Bandera in Ukraine

If the actions of the NGO "Heritage" bear signs of illegality and extremism, then it is necessary to "work" with this organization, "correct" it. At the same time, it would be shortsighted for the city leadership to give birth to the point of collision between the heads of different parts of the population. Tatars in Tobolsk are 16%. This is enough to start a quarrel. It should be noted that Yermak really conquered Siberia. She herself did not ask to go to Russia. And today, following Fursov's advice and forcing the interests of one part of the population against another by force, one can only initiate and motivate separatist sentiments. Do we need this badly today? I think not very ... The national question is one of the most difficult issues in state building. Here you cannot go with a "bayonet attack" in the forehead. "Subtle" moments of history should be presented gently, thoughtfully. Because the Russians, the Tatars, and everyone else are the same residents of the city and citizens of the country. Their opinion cannot be neglected. In fairness, having run through the names of the streets of the city, it can be noted that with fantasy in the city, frankly, not very ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Hagen

It should be noted that Yermak really conquered Siberia. She herself did not ask to go to Russia.

He "conquered" precisely by freeing the local indigenous peoples from the yoke of the same newcomer Khan Tatars from the south! Namely.

On the contrary, It was Yermak who RELEASED the indigenous population in Siberia from the Tatar invaders from the south and defeated Khan Kuchum in Tobol.
The Tatars, of whom 16% of the population is in Tobolsk, are not at all an indigenous indigenous population, namely, the FOREIGN enslavers of local indigenous peoples - in contrast to the Russian Cossacks of Ermak, who liberated and protected the local indigenous population from the predatory and enslaving raids of Tatar predators-conquerors from the south! (Watch video from 4:30 min.)

The battle for Siberia has begun. A dangerous precedent for the foundation of Russian statehood. Andrey Fursov. • Apr 17. 2021

[hagen]

Quote: Tatiana

On the contrary, Yermak RELEASED the indigenous population in Siberia from the Tatar invaders from the south and defeated Khan Kuchum in Tobol.

Under the same pretext, the British, French and other Europeans are often justified, who, having come to North America, liberated some Indian tribes from others of the same kind. What happened in the end, you can see for yourself. Speaking about newcomers to Tobol, it is useful to plunge into history and understand that all the tribes who lived and are now living in the northern regions of the earth are newcomers, only at different times. Migration of the world's population is quite normal. Regarding the Tobolo-Irtysh Tatars, we can also say that they are newcomers. But they came there and settled in the 12th - 13th centuries, if we have in mind the Kypchaks, ousted by Genghis Khan. Other Turkic peoples, who later assimilated with the newly arrived Tatars, are generally known there in the 2nd century AD. The Russians, led by Ermak, appeared already in 1582. So who is more "alien" there, we or the Tatars, is still a big question. I consider myself a Russian, although if you scratch ... But there is objective data on the chronology of the settlement of Western Siberia, which do not always coincide with our ambitions. It is not necessary to consider all our movements so "liberating" (although we would like to). Let me remind you that some in 1941 moved troops to the USSR under the pretext of freeing the population from the communists. I will also note that uprisings in different parts of the USSR against the government took place until the mid-1930s. So the question is

Quote: Tatiana

Yermak RELEASED the indigenous population in Siberia from the Tatar invaders-conquerors

lies solely in the area of ​​your emotional interpretation of historical facts. Even today, Russians have someone to liberate in Ukraine, as Ukrainians do in Russia. The issue of "liberation" of one part of the population from another in a society living together for 3-4 centuries is a pure propaganda cliché. Think about it. And today it is extremely important for us to find a peaceful compromise on this not a simple issue, because our "partners" will be mercilessly hitting this very weak point in order to break our inner unity. Is the airport tag worth it? If you hurry up, you will lay a "mine" for years to come. In these matters, a balanced, thoughtful assessment by experts in the field of social psychology is urgently needed.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Tatiana

On the contrary, Yermak RELEASED the indigenous population in Siberia from the Tatar invaders from the south and defeated Khan Kuchum in Tobol.

Under the same pretext, the British, French and other Europeans are often justified, who, having come to North America, liberated some Indian tribes from others of the same kind. What happened in the end, you can see for yourself. Speaking about newcomers to Tobol, it is useful to plunge into history and understand that all the tribes who lived and are now living in the northern regions of the earth are newcomers, only at different times. Migration of the world's population is quite normal. Regarding the Tobolo-Irtysh Tatars, we can also say that they are newcomers. But they came there and settled in the 12th - 13th centuries, if we have in mind the Kypchaks, ousted by Genghis Khan. Other Turkic peoples, who later assimilated with the newly arrived Tatars, are generally known there in the 2nd century AD. The Russians, led by Ermak, appeared already in 1582. So who is more "alien" there, we or the Tatars, is still a big question. I consider myself a Russian, although if you scratch ... But there is objective data on the chronology of the settlement of Western Siberia, which do not always coincide with our ambitions. It is not necessary to consider all our movements so "liberating" (although we would like to). Let me remind you that some in 1941 moved troops to the USSR under the pretext of freeing the population from the communists. I will also note that uprisings in different parts of the USSR against the government took place until the mid-1930s. So the question is

Quote: Tatiana

Yermak RELEASED the indigenous population in Siberia from the Tatar invaders-conquerors

lies solely in the area of ​​your emotional interpretation of historical facts. Even today, Russians have someone to liberate in Ukraine, as Ukrainians do in Russia. The issue of "liberation" of one part of the population from another in a society living together for 3-4 centuries is a pure propaganda cliché. Think about it. And today it is extremely important for us to find a peaceful compromise on this not a simple issue, because our "partners" will be mercilessly hitting this very weak point in order to break our inner unity. Is the airport tag worth it? If you hurry up, you will lay a "mine" for years to come. In these matters, a balanced, thoughtful assessment by experts in the field of social psychology is urgently needed.

Hagen, wonderful words! and thoughts and presentation! It's a pity that I can't do that.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Hagen

And today it is extremely important for us to find a peaceful compromise on this not a simple issue, because our "partners" will be mercilessly hitting this very weak point in order to break our inner unity. Is the airport tag worth it? If you hurry up, you will lay a "mine" for years to come. In these matters, a balanced, thoughtful assessment by experts in the field of social psychology is urgently needed.

Well, then, in your opinion, let's apply a balanced policy and first figure out what this Regional Tatar Public Organization "Heritage" in Tobolsk is. Namely.

Subscribers: 102. About: RTOO "Heritage" in the Tyumen region ". Purpose: charitable donations for the construction of a mosque and a memorial sign on Isker. The purpose of the organization: Construction of a mosque in the Tyumen region. We hope for the help of the WHOLE world!
Let's restore history together! More than 250 thousand Tatars now live in the Tyumen region. But only a few of us know that the Siberian Tatars once had their own STATE with their CAPITALS, which stood on the banks of the flooded Siberian rivers - Irtsha, Tura, Ishim. To date one of the main tasks in preserving the TATAR NATION is the RESTORATION of the historical memory of the people. Therefore, Siberian Tatars need to create their own history textbooks, restore architectural and historical monuments, and promote history and culture.
Today, the archaeological site of the Isker settlement, the former capital of the Siberian Khanate, is under the threat of complete disappearance. <...>
Our organization received a contract for the lease of a land plot for a period of 3 years, with an area of ​​1,5 hectares, for the construction of a Mosque and a Memorial Sign. <...>
To order a project and start construction, a lot of financial support is needed. We ask everyone who is not indifferent to contribute their all possible help (note - including help from abroad) ..
Shasutdinova Luiza Alimchanovna - head of the RTOO "Heritage" in the Tyumen region.

Well, what do you call all this? It's simple. The Siberian Tatar minority, represented by the RTOO "Heritage" of the extremist, tramples on the right of the Russian majority in the Tyumen region to their share of the national memory of the RUSSIAN NATION in assigning the name of Yarmak Timofeevich to the Tobolsk airfield!
The Tatar nationalist organization "Heritage" of the extremists pulls the blanket of national memory of the historical heritage exclusively on themselves only on themselves - on the Siberian Tatars, depriving at the same time of the same right for the RUSSIANS.
Give the Siberian Tatars both the construction of a mosque and tolerance to Russophobia regarding the assignment of the name of Yarmak to the Tobolsk airfield!
Do they not want a lot to equip their SEPARATIST national "apartment" in the Tyumen region? RF ?!
If it smells of "POWER" from the Siberian Tatars, then just not RUSSIAN!

[hagen]

Quote: Tatiana

Well, what do you call all this?

But for this there is the prosecutor's office, which, at the request of any organization, must conduct a detailed examination of the activities of this "Heritage", and in case of detection of signs of corpus delicti or an offense, express its response to what has been done. Only. I have already spoken about the rest. I will repeat in part, there are many worthy names that do not affect other people's national feelings. And those who are incapable of compromising in the name of public peace have nothing to do in this matter.

Quote: Tatiana

The Tatar nationalist organization "Heritage" of extremists pulls the blanket of the memory of the historical heritage exclusively on themselves only on themselves - on the Siberian Tatars

First, ask what extremism is, and only then slap the stamp on someone else's community. After all, you, too, strive to "pull the blanket", not assuming that this blanket can be enough for everyone, and in excess. I repeat once again - criminals must answer before the law and society, people of different nationalities must get a product that does not hurt their feelings. This is the only way to live together.

[Revolver]

Quote: Hagen

But for this there is a prosecutor's office.

Here the NKVD would be much more useful, but where to get it now?

[Go to the]

There will be no compromise !!!! There is a galloping marginalization of the population, both on ethnic and social grounds ... The question is which of these marginal strata will be stronger and more successful to take control of the situation and impose their interests. and the events of the last 5-10 years, we can observe that the state as a system has ceased to be such an instrument. Conciliation never led to anything, it only clogged the abscess, which sooner or later broke through ...

[hagen]

Quote: Zum

There will be no compromise !!!! There is a galloping marginalization of the population, both on ethnic and social grounds ... The question is which of these marginal strata will be stronger and more successful to take control of the situation and impose their interests

Well, then the state will only have to use the entire range of its capabilities, and through the agents of the operational services to open up the organized core of these "marginalized", and then mercilessly "cover" them, no matter from which side they appear. That's the whole compromise.

[Ruudi 34]

Again the Tatars are to blame .... They are to blame for the fact that Moscow cannot put a paw on the oil industry and Kamaz ...))) But Russia is a Federation - why are they offended by the Tatars?

[Nazar]

Tatyana - Do you live in Moscow? Do you know better from there how to solve the national poll in Siberia?
For over 10 years I have lived and worked in Western Siberia, including Tobolsk. I know what I am writing about, but your knowledge of the history of the "development" of Siberia is very doubtful. How the local population was "liberated" was described in sufficient detail here, at VO, about Khabarov and about Dezhnev and some others. I will only mention one episode of how Chukotka was "liberated":
"According to the results of Pavlutsky's first campaign, from 800 to 1500 Chukchi were killed, 160 people were captured, up to 40 deer were stolen (but less than 000 were driven to Anadyrsk). Pavlutsky's second campaign (500), 1744 Chukchi people were killed, captured 360, and the trophy deer were not brought to Anadyr at all. "
What do you think, in Chukotka, something can be called the name of Pavlutsky - eh? So why do we deny the Siberian Tatars the right to historical memory?

[Tatyana]

And I'll tell you about St. Petersburg.
We have a House of Nationalities.
REFERENCE

In 2005, the Government of St. Petersburg made a decision to open the St. Petersburg State Institution "St. Petersburg House of Nationalities", which was designed to become a bridge connecting executive authorities and national-cultural associations. The institution is located in the historical mansion of M.V. Shtifter in the very "heart" of St. Petersburg at 15 Mokhovaya Street. Since 2013, it has been under the jurisdiction of the Committee for Interethnic Relations and Implementation of Migration Policy in St. Petersburg.
The objectives of the institution are: preservation and development of the ethnocultural diversity of the peoples of the Russian Federation and living in St. Petersburg, their languages ​​and culture, protection of the rights of national minorities, social and cultural adaptation of migrants, prevention of interethnic (interethnic) conflicts, ensuring interethnic and interfaith harmony. In its work, the House of Nationalities follows the objectives and principles of the Strategy of the State National Policy and the Concept of the State Migration Policy of the Russian Federation.
The House of Nationalities hosts events aimed at supporting the development initiatives of NGOs and community groups in the city: lectures, literary readings, creative evenings. On weekends, we host national Sunday school classes for the study of the native language and culture.

SPb GKU “SPb House of Nationalities” is a large friendly team that works together with the residents of St. Petersburg for the benefit of our beautiful city. The doors of our institution are always open to everyone, regardless of place of birth, nationality and religion.

See in detail - St. Petersburg State Treasury Institution "St. Petersburg House of Nationalities" - http://spbdn.ru/onas/

From childhood to 27 years old, I actively participated in amateur performances. Very interesting, enthusiastic and creative people gathered there. I sang in the choir and in the vocal and instrumental ensemble. We took part in competitions and were diploma winners. We had beautiful costumes, and my pop dress was for performing a wok instrument. the ensemble, in which I was a soloist, I have preserved in memory to this day.
And then one day I walk along the embankment of the Fontanka River and see on the doors of the old building a poster of the House of Nationalities inviting spectators to the Festival of amateur national groups in St. Petersburg and Leningrad region. My soul perked up - and I went to buy tickets. The woman on duty said that the tickets were free and invitational, and that they could only be obtained in groups from the participants of the festival of their nationality. At the same time, Russian amateur groups do not participate in the festival, not because they do not want, but because the Tatar leadership of the House of Nationalities of St. Petersburg fundamentally believes that The House of Nationalities is aimed at working only with representatives of national minorities and should not work with RUSSIANS. And that even a ticket to the festival as a spectator, I - Russian - will never get it.
I say to the deputy director of the House of Nationalities: "It turns out that you - representatives of national minorities - have arranged your own get-together here in St. Petersburg and are all friends together against the RUSSIANS ?!"She answered honestly out of surprise: "It turns out that yes!"
They still agreed to give me a ticket, but only for 1 person, and I needed for two. I was forced to refuse such an offer. and left. I walk down the street and the thought beats in my temple: How did it happen that we - Russians - in our Russian St. Petersburg warmed a snake in our bosom ?!
A year later, 2-3 years later, there was a broadcast on Radio St. Petersburg with the participation of the director (Tatar) of the House of Nationalities. I called and gave a live broadcast about this case and everything I think about it. The presenter asked the headmistress: "Is it all true?" She replied: " Yes, we do not work with Russians and there are no Russian representative groups in the House of Nationalities at all. But we will think about it and take it into account. "
And only after this incident, Russian bands, represented by the Cossacks, appeared on the radio in the House of Nationalities of St. Petersburg.

TOTAL. In this case we have a vivid example of political atavism in the form of national SHOVINISM on the part of national minorities in relation to the Russian population, which has been cultivated in the Russian government since 1917!
And this is not Siberia for you, but St. Petersburg - the Northern capital of the Republic of Ingushetia, founded by Peter the Great!
And the director of the House of Nationalities was at the same time an ethnic Tatar who came to St. Petersburg, and if I'm not mistaken, a native of Tatarstan.

[Nazar]

Tatyana - Apparently the whole point is just that St. Petersburg "is not Siberia for you" - I live in Buryatia, Eastern Siberia, recently we have been ranked among the Far East. There are not only Buryat, Russian, Evenk folk in the city. collectives, but even Armenian and Azerbaijani (and this is in Transbaikalia), and it never occurs to anyone to isolate themselves from each other. On the contrary, all holidays are held together, both "Buryat" and "Russian". We even officially have two "new years" according to the European and Eastern calendar. And what is this difference from the rest of Russia who can consider someone a step towards the collapse of the country (as they write here)?
But in fact, the opposite is true, an attempt to somehow single out one nation, even as large as our Russian, and belittle others, those with whom we have lived for centuries together - this is the path to collapse.
And regarding the article - a quote: "Russian pioneers, including Ermak, unlike, for example, the Spanish conquistadors or English pirates, did not bring violence with them" - a blatant lie, deliberate or simply out of ignorance - it does not matter. It is important that it is such a lie that leads to incitement of the nat. discord.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Nazar

an attempt to somehow single out one nation, even as big as our Russian, and belittle others, those with whom we have lived for centuries - this is the path to collapse.

You are bad Russian if you are really Russian! Either you absolutely do not understand how a multinational state is built and what happened in the history of our country in 1917. Either you don't want to understand this in any way. Or, on the contrary, you understand everything and are engaged in demagogic propaganda of false patriotism, deceiving Russians and all other nationalities! Namely.

1. All peoples in any country are fighting for their leadership just as it happens among workers in an ordinary work collective.
2. There are 200 indigenous peoples and ethnic groups in Russia, but only 1 people - Russians - make up about 80%, 199 peoples - about 20%.
3. The DOMESTIC state, the forming people-leader, is the people who who, with his IDEOLOGY and worldview, will lead all other peoples to a brighter future. Among such peoples there may be small peoples.
4. But in order to be a DOMINANT people, one must be not just a state-forming people, but also a SELF-SUFFICIENT people both in terms of population size and militarily to protect the territory of the WHOLE country - ie. all foreign compatriots, - in order to fulfill the tasks of protection and development of their entire MULTINATIONAL state. Small peoples do not have such an opportunity. Therefore, unlike the Russians, in the struggle for their national leadership, they think of themselves in practice in Russia as selfishly SEPARATIST, those. within the framework of its administrative-territorial "titular" national "METROPOLY" to all CENTRAL Russia and colonially to the entire Russian people. At the same time, the national SHOVENISTS in the leadership of the country will not share the power and their subsidized economy with the historically state that forms the RUSSIAN people, which is DERE in its mentality, will not be shared by the small peoples. Therefore, their representatives will have to be removed from power in the country by FORCE, as Stalin was forced to do in 1937-1938.
5. Now the Russian people "DERZHAVEN" only in their semi-preserved historical mentality - in the sense that the Russians are ready to defend their historical land, their people and other peoples in multinational Russia.
6. But Russians in Russia, since 1917, are DISCONTINUED in fact politically deprived of rights compared with small peoples. Namely.
Compared to the representatives of national minorities, Russians DO NOT HAVE their own national-state representation in power in order to defend their political interests on an equal basis with other peoples. Russians are not even mentioned in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And any reviving Russian national self-identification in the minds of the Russian people in practice is reduced by the authorities, in fact, either to its suppression by the "top" by Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, or propaganda suggestion to the Russians, and the Russian people as well, of false historical ideas about the alleged "the historical DUTY of the Russian people to national minorities " and the obligation to sacrifice oneself for the sake of other peoples to the detriment of oneself, or rather, for the sake of another national oligarchy and those who support them.
Russians historically have long owed nothing to anyone, except to themselves!

TOTAL. In practice, we are dealing with chauvinists nat. minorities - false leaders and potential separatists - whose rule leads to the destruction of any multinational state - both the USSR and the Russian Federation.
In principle, in practice in a multinational state, there can be no talk of any theoretical equality of peoples, if the territory of the state is divided according to the so-called. "titular" nationality of national minorities! This is, in principle, the metaphysical delirium of the "theoreticians" -Maciavellianists as representatives of a separate small nation to seize power in their favor in a particular country! And then this LEGALLY leads to the liquidation of this MULTINATIVE state with genocide of the most numerous state of the constituent people.

[Nazar]

Tatyana - Madam, it is you who have no idea about the basic principles of the empire's existence, and Russia is still an empire. As soon as your point of view becomes the main one, the empire will collapse. There are a lot of examples in history. The closest ones to us geographically and in history are Byzantium and the Horde. Also below I wrote about the reasons for their fall.
Do you want examples from "our" history? JV Stalin is not Russian at all, but in the entire history of Russia there has never been a greater "statesman" than he. A.S. Pushkin is a Negro, M.Yu. Lermontov - Scotsman, P.I. Bagration is a Georgian, you can go on and on. Photo from the 2008-08 war, where in the middle of the road there is one soldier with a machine gun against a column of Georgian cars, remember? This soldier is Kazakh!
Do you want such people to no longer exist in Russia? Are you for racial purity? Do you want to make Russia a mono-national state? How do you differ from Banderlog then - eh? They, too, are for one "base" nation, like you, the result is known - "non-base" nations take up arms and move away from the "great people", as Crimea and Donbass left the Ukraine. Do you want such a future for our country?
You there, in both capitals in Moscow and St. Petersburg, have completely detached themselves from the real life of the country and at the same time are puffed up to teach us how to live. I was born and studied in the Urals, where Tatars lived in the north of the region, Kazakhs in the south, and Bashkirs in the west. For a long time he lived and worked in the Tyumen region. , including Tobolsk. For many years I worked (and now I live) in Buryatia, but of course you know better from St. Petersburg how to arrange everything here.

[Tatyana]

Yes, stop me here to break a comedy and pretend to be a cat Leopold in the post-Soviet space!
I repeat - you are a Soviet metaphysician in philosophy and the dialectical-materialist method with its principle of determinism - the principle of cause-and-effect relationships, which indicates the consideration of not only external causes and connections, as in metaphysics, but also INTERNAL connections and causes - do not know at all. Poorly, you once studied diamat and metal theory.
I have personally dealt with national issues since 1995 - i.e. since the beginning of the First war in Chechnya between Russia and Dudayev's Ichkeria. And above all, the Russian question in our country.

Answer my questions:
- How do you think the Russian question exists in our country or not? And how is it expressed?
- And if the Russian question exists in our country, how do you think it can be resolved?
Then let's talk.

[Nazar]

Tatyana - And it depends on what you call the "Russian question" - if it is a question about the fact that in the country, for twenty years now, the president is Russian and at the same time the country is dying out at an accelerated pace (half a million people per year), and just in mainly in regions with a predominantly Russian population - then such a question does not just exist, it is, in the literal sense of the word, a question of the life or death of our country.
And if the question is that the city authorities of Tobolsk do not allow the provocateurs to drive a wedge between the Russians and the Tatars and that, in your opinion, they infringe upon the Great Russian people, then this is not a question at all, but just the problem of your ignorance of the situation in the regions.

[Tatyana]

Those. Do you also oppose the analytical opinion of A. Fursov on the video I presented above in my commentary dated April 25, 2021 09:01?
Watch it from start to finish!

The battle for Siberia has begun. A dangerous precedent for the foundation of Russian statehood. Andrey Fursov. • Apr 17. 2021

[bairat]

About "subtle moments". We decided to erect a monument to the conqueror Ivan the Terrible in the capital of Chuvashia. It seems that everything was taken into account, from any surprises they closed it with a dome of bulletproof glass, but it turned out funny and ridiculous. The design hints that reconciliation has not yet happened in this matter. Was it worth the hurry with the installation of this monument?

[dauria]

The design hints that reconciliation has not yet happened in this matter.

You are right, hurry up. It is necessary to start with a simple thing - to remove all names like "Chuvash", "Mordovian", "Chechen". "Tatar", "Buryat" from the names of the administrative division of territories. Museums, theaters, nature reserves - please. But not the official name of the territory. The names themselves inflate the national question from scratch and lay a mine.
A subtle thing, but with it the opposition of the inhabitants of the same Penza and Saransk begins. The same people, live the same, there is nothing to share. But do you feel the difference? This land is for the Mordovian people, and this land is no man's land. Who are the Penzyaks? Who do you want. Bought an apartment - you are a penziak.

[bairat]

Have you figured out how to rename Russia? Russia-Rus-Russian, the connection between the name of the country and the nationality is obvious.

[Nazar]

dauria - There is one invariable principle for all empires - as soon as one "elite" part of the population begins to appear in the empire - by ethnicity or religion - the empire dies. Thus, Byzantium perished, in which both Serbs and Macedonians and Armenians were emperors, but as soon as the Greeks became the only "ruling" nation, Byzantium came to an end. Just as the Golden Horde died, when Islam, as the only state religion, replaced complete religious tolerance and multi-religiousness.
Your proposal, this is "Russia for the Russians" - an attempt to put this principle into practice, will destroy what is still left of the Russian Empire.

[Richard]

We decided to erect a monument to the conqueror Ivan the Terrible in the capital of Chuvashia. It seems that everything was taken into account, from any surprises they closed it with a dome of bulletproof glass, but it turned out funny and ridiculous. The design hints that reconciliation has not yet happened in this matter. Was it worth the hurry with the installation of this monument?

Well, to call the half-meter exhibit a monument, which laid the foundation for the open-air museum in the Cheboksary park of Konstantin Ivanov, is too loud. And in the armored display case, it is installed exclusively because of fears of theft in view of its small size

[aslanismaili611]

why can't at least one street be named after Khan Kuchum? or imagine a monument where Kuchum and Ermak greet each other! it would work! I don’t know, to this day they teach the same History? Isn't it strange in a class where half are Tatar children, the history teacher voices Peter's order: Down with the black head of the Tatar from his broad shoulders!

[hagen]

Quote: aslanismaili611

why can't at least one street be named after Khan Kuchum?

Of course, bearing in mind the presence of 4 Medeleevsky lanes, 4 Bezymyannyh lanes, 5 Beregovy lanes and 4 Beregovy streets, 5 Irtysh streets and 5 Irtysh streets (left bank) and other things like that, there is something to assign names ... But whose names to perpetuate in the names, must be carefully thought out in order to satisfy all groups of city residents.

[hagen]

Quote: aslanismaili611

Isn't it strange in a class where half are Tatar children, the history teacher voices Peter's order: Down with the black head of the Tatar from his broad shoulders!

It was not for nothing that VVP criticized the history textbook for the US, albeit not on this issue. I think that modern Russia will survive only by the monolithic unity of the Russian people. That is why history, especially its especially "sensitive" moments, must be conveyed to our children as delicately as possible, completely excluding nationalistic courage, whoever it may be. Children should know the truth, but they should present it this way, and this is the skill and talent of the professors and school teachers, so as not to give birth to ethnic hatred and contempt for their own country in a morally fragile child.

[Until Ger]

A week ago in Moscow ....
Two drunken native Muscovites
mixing up two girls
Buryat women with Kyrgyz,
pounced on them with words ...
On YouTube, in the video
full of .... these words.
So much for unity.
Such videos are good
characterize the attitude
state-forming ...
to small nations ...
Which, according to Samsonov:
"The indigenous peoples of Siberia have become
part of the great Russian
multinational civilization ".
And from the words of the state-forming
quite the opposite ...

[hagen]

Quote: Do Ger

Two drunken native Muscovites

Who said we are perfect? Here, too, there are people who are not ready to take care of "other people's calluses." But we need to work on it. To teach at least your children to see the dignity of other nations no less than in themselves.

[boni592807]

Until Ger (Doc),, Today, 16:58, NEW -
A week ago in Moscow ....
Two drunken native Muscovites
mixing up two girls
Buryat women with Kyrgyz,
pounced on them with words ..

Successful "entry" on the topic Until ger . But, attention to the rest of the Russians, you understand.
Counter question Do ger.
Why in the USSR with .. "... confusing two girls
Buryat women with Kirghiz, pounced on them with the words ... "Was it not or itself faded without problems? No, not the USSR Gorby ...
Maybe because each people of the indigenous USSR "lived" in their apartment, did their part of the common cause (division of labor - some technicians, some vegetables-fruits, some cotton ...), studied at school according to the same program, were octotes, pioneers, Komsomol members, served together and ... most of them were the same (ex. "... I'll kiss you ... then ... if YOU WANT !!! ,,,"
And when the great and mighty rested, someone's memory was blown away, and instead of gratitude and a positive 10th life in one state, it started: "invaders, suitcase, station, Russia" with folk "woodcarving". Then, after a complete kerdyk in their "camps", sclerosis no longer became relevant, but bite the hotza. And because of, to put it mildly, BIG mistakes in migration policy, instead of providing native Russians with work, "benefit" is derived from the guests. And since there are a lot of THEM (guests) (10 ml - if see the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Borders) or min 2-4 ml. "most accurate" Rosstats throughout Russia. "Congratulations" from the FSB on the prevention of THEM (guests - a terrorist act or, at worst, another ISIS cell), then necessarily "pleasantness" from the Ministry of Internal Affairs in criminal matters. And since THEM (guests) are already far from 25%, on the streets, shops, construction sites, drivers from taxis to buses. (!!! It is a long-known fact that the indigenous people do not perceive the newcomers as a threat so far up to 25% of them, incl. and visually). This is why the reaction is so .
Now why, Buryat women with Kyrgyz women, how exactly are you SINKED -Mixed up... If yours are not protected from illegal and according to the information of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs dangerous (drugs, terrorism, criminal offenses), and in life, there is also a dumping of entire industries, and the tale of low wages and disenfranchised guests is already causing laughter.
Judging by your text, you "vkurse" (CONFUSED) that the outward appearance of these Buryats and Kyrgyz women is very similar. Then, after the above accumulated negative THEM (guests) impact, local - indigenous PONSLO.
I would not be surprised if the followers of Bandera (there are such in the Russian Federation), or the Zrobitche from O. Ukraine, began to do dirty tricks in Bashkiria or Yakutia. Moreover, they are ethnically ONE people with the Great Russians (Russians of the Russian Federation), and the language is the same - Russian. Then I am sure they would have done a "massage" of the face in Bashkiria or Yakutia. By behavior and gifts, and were RIGHT,
R.S. To all Russians who have read the text Until Ger (a), pay attention to the specified details. One feels the urge to "sow Good and eternal" in the hearts of partners, and up to ger. If you are curious, try to translate -Up Ger, at least with the help of the Internet. Enjoy your experience, go through all the variations ...
Good luck.

[Until Ger]

So the Buryats will
also have the right ...

[Richard]

why can't at least one street be named after Khan Kuchum? or imagine a monument where Kuchum and Ermak greet each other!

Because the Russians fought the Tatars ... together against Kuchum.
Kuchum khan of the Kazy-Kyrgyz horde waged a long and stubborn struggle with the Siberian khan Ediger using an army consisting of Kyrgyz, Nogai, Kazakh and Bukhara detachments. In 1563: he killed the khan of the White Horde, Ediger and his brother Bikbulat, and became the owner of the White Horde, and became the owner of the White Horde. collecting yasak from it. The population of the Siberian Khanate, which was based on the Siberian Tatars and the Mansi and Khanty subordinate to them, regarded Kuchum as a usurper, especially since a foreign army served as its support.
Moreover, the Chingizids did not recognize the khanate for Kuchum, and they continued to consider Elmira Kasimovskaya as the legitimate ruler of the White Horde. Kuchum in all the surviving documents (link-Kungur and Remezov chronicles) was forced to call himself not the Khan of the White Horde, but ... the king of Siberia. And after his expulsion, this title passed to the new Russian Tsar B. Godunov
May 9 (19), 1598 The Russian-Tatar (Kasimov) army of the tsarist governors Andrei Matveyevich Voeikov and Prince Ivan Koltsov-Mosalsky finally put an end to Kuchum. He suffered a terrible defeat in the battle of Irmen. According to a Said named Tolmukhammed who met with Kuchum:

I found Kuchum two days' journey from the place of the last battle, in the forest, on the banks of the Ob, that under the king his three sons and 130 soldiers, the rest were killed and killed. and also recounted in detail everything that he had heard from Kuchum. Kuchum told me that he was at the site of the battle and buried his loved ones, that he sent his people to the Chat volost to the Murza Koshbakhty with a request to give horses and clothes, how the Murza responded to the request, sent horses and a fur coat, and the next day he came himself, however Kuchum, suspecting Koshbakhty of betrayal, did not accept him, got scared, mounted a horse and left for the upper Ob.

Fig. Entry of the captured Kuchumov family to Moscow. 1599. Art. N.N. Karazin

Chronicles report that in 1601 Kuchum went to the Kazakh Horde, while others (Remezovskaya) point here to the Nogais. Abulgazi, in his story about the death of the khan, mentions the mankats, by which he means the Karakalpaks:

Khan Kanai, fearing that Kuchum would treat him like Ediger of Siberia, invited him to come to his land and there in an insidious way killed him immediately upon arrival.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Richard

why can't at least one street be named after Khan Kuchum? or imagine a monument where Kuchum and Ermak greet each other!

Because the Russians fought the Tatars ... together against Kuchum.
Kuchum khan of the Kazy-Kyrgyz horde waged a long and stubborn struggle with the Siberian khan Ediger using an army consisting of Kyrgyz, Nogai, Kazakh and Bukhara detachments. In 1563: he killed the khan of the White Horde, Ediger and his brother Bikbulat, and became the owner of the White Horde, and became the owner of the White Horde. collecting yasak from it. The population of the Siberian Khanate, which was based on the Siberian Tatars and the Mansi and Khanty subordinate to them, regarded Kuchum as a usurper, especially since a foreign army served as its support.
Moreover, the Chingizids did not recognize the khanate for Kuchum, and they continued to consider Elmira Kasimovskaya as the legitimate ruler of the White Horde. Kuchum in all the surviving documents (link-Kungur and Remezov chronicles) was forced to call himself not the Khan of the White Horde, but ... the king of Siberia. And after his expulsion, this title passed to the new Russian Tsar B. Godunov
May 9 (19), 1598 The Russian-Tatar (Kasimov) army of the tsarist governors Andrei Matveyevich Voeikov and Prince Ivan Koltsov-Mosalsky finally put an end to Kuchum. He suffered a terrible defeat in the battle of Irmen. According to a Said named Tolmukhammed who met with Kuchum:

I found Kuchum two days' journey from the place of the last battle, in the forest, on the banks of the Ob, that under the king his three sons and 130 soldiers, the rest were killed and killed. and also recounted in detail everything that he had heard from Kuchum. Kuchum told me that he was at the site of the battle and buried his loved ones, that he sent his people to the Chat volost to the Murza Koshbakhty with a request to give horses and clothes, how the Murza responded to the request, sent horses and a fur coat, and the next day he came himself, however Kuchum, suspecting Koshbakhty of betrayal, did not accept him, got scared, mounted a horse and left for the upper Ob.

Fig. Entry of the captured Kuchumov family to Moscow. 1599. Art. N.N. Karazin

Chronicles report that in 1601 Kuchum went to the Kazakh Horde, while others (Remezovskaya) point here to the Nogais. Abulgazi, in his story about the death of the khan, mentions the mankats, by which he means the Karakalpaks:

Khan Kanai, fearing that Kuchum would treat him like Ediger of Siberia, invited him to come to his land and there in an insidious way killed him immediately upon arrival.

... Thanks, Richard. The topic of the collapse of the Golden Horde from the point of view of a historian is very interesting and grateful. Of course, today, from the height of the past 400 years, it is easy for us to determine the legitimacy of this or that historical person, based on facts. But let's leave Kuchum, let's go back another 200 years. And there we have an illegitimate Tokhtamysh fighting with Uzbek Khan. Tokhtamysh was "nominated" by Tamerlane, who was not Chingizid himself. But we will not go further. Agree, the personality of Kuchum, I think it is more preferable here, if only because He still did not burn Moscow. But if .... Yes, let there be any Tatar khan who stands next to Yermak! I even agree to Ediger, if you like, even the "pro-Russian" Kasymov.

[Pavel Vladimirov]

It would be better if the Americans were the first to come to Siberia)))

[hagen]

Quote: Pavel Vladimirov

It would be better if the Americans were the first to come to Siberia)))

For you? You decide. In any case, it is good that they were not interested in your opinion then, and they are unlikely to be interested today (except for the FSB, of course ) How do you like this prospect? ... Personally, I prefer what the Tsars and Emperors of Russia did.

[Richard]

It would be better if the first Americans came to Siberia

As it is not patriotic. God bless him that you write Siberia with a small letter, but why are the Americans not with a capital letter?

[boni592807]

Pavel Vladimirov (Pavel Vladimirov), Today, 16:33, NEW - "... It would be better if the first Americans came to Siberia))) ..."

Colleague, great argument. But, I would suggest ITS somewhat clarify. By adding a suggestion that "... [b] if the Americans were the first to come there, then the indigenous population of Siberia would have no problems due to its basically COMPLETE extinction. A small one, used mainly for films and as a tourist attraction, would live in VIP-RESERVATION zones . [ / B]
Good luck.

[Nazar]

boni592807 - In Alaska (USA), the local population is not only not destroyed, but also lives an order of magnitude better than their direct relatives on this side of the Bering Strait (RF)

[anykin]

Quote: Pavel Vladimirov

It would be better if the Americans were the first to come to Siberia)))

When the aboriginal people are in the state, it becomes invisible and inaudible. Not like in Russia.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Hagen

It should be noted that Yermak really conquered Siberia. She herself did not ask to go to Russia.

A lie, everyone knows that the entry of all lands and peoples into Russia was exclusively peaceful, voluntary.

[Until Ger]

That's the Yakuts Yakutsk
the prison was constantly burned.
From love to fireworks, I guess
pyromaniacs however.
There is no need to talk about the Chukchi.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Do Ger

That's the Yakuts Yakutsk
the prison was constantly burned.
From love to fireworks, I guess
pyromaniacs however.
There is no need to talk about the Chukchi.

You speak Russian. This is over there in America all sorts of Indians were burned. and the Yakuts were met everywhere with bread and salt. And the Caucasus peacefully conquered the Crimea. Everything was in agreement.

[Donhofleo]

This is certainly not the case. It is by military force. It was just that the roof was then more profitable for the local peoples. And they didn't kill just like that, they tried in a human way. Although everything was ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Donhofleo

This is certainly not the case. It is by military force. It was just that the roof was then more profitable for the local peoples. And they didn't kill just like that, they tried in a human way. Although everything was ...

Of course, after 1864, the Circassians received undoubted benefits.

[Nazar]

andreykolesov123 Here's what you wrote - exactly a lie. Look for the materials right there, in what kind of blood all this was accompanied by.
I will repeat for you once again about the "entry" of Chukotka:
"According to the results of Pavlutsky's first campaign, from 800 to 1500 Chukchi were killed, 160 people were captured, up to 40 deer were stolen (but less than 000 were driven to Anadyrsk). Pavlutsky's second campaign (500), the Chukchi killed 1744 people, captured 360, and the trophy deer were not brought to Anadyr at all. " As you wrote - "in a peaceful, voluntary way." Oh well ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Nazar

andreykolesov123 Here's what you wrote - exactly a lie. Look for the materials right there, in what kind of blood all this was accompanied by.
I will repeat for you once again about the "entry" of Chukotka:
"According to the results of Pavlutsky's first campaign, from 800 to 1500 Chukchi were killed, 160 people were captured, up to 40 deer were stolen (but less than 000 were driven to Anadyrsk). Pavlutsky's second campaign (500), the Chukchi killed 1744 people, captured 360, and the trophy deer were not brought to Anadyr at all. " As you wrote - "in a peaceful, voluntary way." Oh well ...

Are you saying that the Russians acted like the Spanish conquistadors in America?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Tatiana

In Siberia, the dismemberment of Russia is neglected, just like the USSR.

Do you think that the financial inequality of the regions and Moscow (+ several regions of special content) brings Siberia, with a negative average annual temperature, closer to the "gentle climate" of the European part of the Russian Federation? Let us rejoice for your outdoor pools and Scarlet Sails at St.P.
You do not engage in propaganda. There is someone here to give explanations. Look at the laws that the State Duma deputies have been churning out in Moscow for two decades and tell us why they are saturated with such hatred for the territory, thanks to which the wealth of Russia (and not the oligarchs) should grow.

[Reptiloid]

Good day, Tatiana, For more than a century, the Western powers have been making plans for our Siberia, and are investing in our wealth.
In the ancient era --- the Scandinavians.
At the time of Ivan the Terrible --- the British.
Since the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the Nazis, the Americans, the Japanese, the Manchus, the Chinese ... Even Finland now believes that Siberia should belong to her, because the Finno-Ugric peoples live in its western part.
Today, of course, most of all, the British and Americans are concerned about Siberia. There is already a title --- Baron of Hampton and Siberia. This Lebedev Jr. became a lifelong peer and entered the House of Lords of the British Parliament. A traitorous minority opposing Yermak's name is pushing for a Western project to dismember Russia. The same can be said about the "Great Turan" project.

[Nazar]

Reptiloid is precisely the actions of stupid (and maybe even malicious) people aimed at humiliating the Turkic part of the Russian people and working to dismember Russia. And the "Great Turan" project should be promoted not by Turkey, but by Russia, the ancestral homeland of the Turks in Russia, this is Altai, and Turkey is just a place where part of the Turks migrated from the territory that is now Russian.

[Deck]

Well, as you don’t understand, this is completely different !!!

Indeed, you read the article and you realize that you do not understand anything! We are watching Surikov's Picture with the telling title "Vasily Ivanovich Surikov," The Conquest of Siberia by Yermak "". There, dashing white people explain with the help of squeaks to the local natives to whom they will pay yasak for the next hundreds of years. Those who disagree are killed. Well, so in the picture!
Well, then we read from the author: "The Russian pioneers, including Ermak, unlike, for example, the Spanish conquistadors or English pirates, did not bring violence with them." That is, the free distribution of gingerbread is not a picture. They didn’t kill everyone (well, a little bit, it doesn’t count), but made them tributaries of the Russian tsar, But this is completely different! Into demagoguery!
The British also believe that they were educating the natives in India or Australia, taught to read and write, brush their teeth, for example. Those gratefully enter the Commonwealth of the British Crown. But this is different again, you understand!

[dorz]

We see how racially motivated pogroms are taking place in the United States ...

Are officials afraid of the situation in the United States? Our nomenclature is fighting only for its own seat.

[Doctor]

Indeed, you read the article and you realize that you do not understand anything! We are watching Surikov's Picture with the telling title "Vasily Ivanovich Surikov," The Conquest of Siberia by Yermak "". There, dashing white people explain with the help of squeaks to the local natives to whom they will pay yasak for the next hundreds of years. Those who disagree are killed. Well, so in the picture!
Well, then we read from the author: "The Russian pioneers, including Ermak, unlike, for example, the Spanish conquistadors or English pirates, did not bring violence with them." That is, the free distribution of gingerbread is not a picture. They didn’t kill everyone (well, a little bit, it doesn’t count), but made them tributaries of the Russian tsar, But this is completely different! Into demagoguery!
The British also believe that they were educating the natives in India or Australia, taught to read and write, brush their teeth, for example. Those gratefully enter the Commonwealth of the British Crown. But this is different again, you understand!

It's like that. The problem of a multinational country.

For the Tatars, Ermak in Tobolsk, as for the Russians, Batu Khan in Astrakhan.

[Unknown]

Quote: Deck

Indeed, you read the article and you realize that you do not understand anything! We are watching Surikov's Picture with the telling title "Vasily Ivanovich Surikov," The Conquest of Siberia by Yermak "". There, dashing white people explain with the help of squeaks to the local natives to whom they will pay yasak for the next hundreds of years. Those who disagree are killed. Well, so in the picture!

Don't bend it, don't.

It is necessary to carefully look at the picture. It depicts one episode, the landing of Yermak's detachment. And the Siberian Tatars do not feel any particular fear of the squeak, they cut themselves with sabers and shoot from their bows, do not run, they themselves attack. That is, it shows a normal cavalry army of that time, which you cannot take to fear with samopals. Conquistadors, and for example the Aztecs

When you look at the picture, feel the difference.

Quote: Deck

Well, then we read from the author: "The Russian pioneers, including Ermak, unlike, for example, the Spanish conquistadors or English pirates, did not bring violence with them." That is, the free distribution of gingerbread is not a picture. They didn’t kill everyone (well, a little bit, it doesn’t count), but made them tributaries of the Russian tsar, But this is completely different!

One should at least be interested in this issue. Siberian Tatars, these are not Indians of both Americas, do not live overseas, but are quite close by, and were not averse to strolling through the Russian lands in between, with the aim of robbery and theft into slavery. The Russians did not intend to endure such things. And most importantly, the Tatars, as a nation, fit in well that the Republic of Ingushetia, then in the USSR, now the Russian Federation. Taking into account their way of life, religion, the tsars were granted the title of tsar of Siberia. From them Kuchumovichi went to Russia ..

You can name at least one famous representative of the indigenous nation in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the island of Tasmania. They simply do not exist, some were exterminated at the root, others were reduced, from about 15 million to 237 thousand, in the states and Canada. This is the case in English-speaking countries. In the Spanish-speaking, you can still find representatives of the indigenous peoples, the Spaniards were less bloodthirsty. If Russia, along its entire historical path, pursued the same policy towards the indigenous peoples, many peoples of Siberia and the Caucasus would simply disappear, as in F. Cooper's book "The Last of the Mohicans".

Quote: Deck

Those gratefully enter the Commonwealth of the British Crown. But this is different again, you understand!

Of course, there are almost no people left there who could shout - the suitcase is the berth of Europe. Normally, the territory was cleared.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Deck

But this is different again, you understand!

It:

The painting depicts the culmination of the Siberian campaign of Yermak Timofeevich (1581-1585) - the battle of 1582 between the Cossack squad of Yermak and a huge army assembled by the Siberian Khan Kuchum. In the artist's interpretation, this event is presented as a national feat, the artist emphasizes the inextricable connection of Russian soldiers with their leader.

And the background of the battle is as follows:

Khan Kuchum, who came to Siberia from the Bukhara Khanate (1556) and having taken power, he began to increase his influence within the region. At first, he showed loyalty and agreed to pay tribute to Moscow, but as soon as he mustered enough strength, he killed the Moscow ambassador. Diplomatically, this meant a declaration of war. However, Ivan the Terrible could not react quickly at that time, as he was waging a difficult Livonian War.
Naturally, in the absence of the tsar's proper reaction, raids of the Siberian Tatars began on the border territories of the Russians in the Perm region and the Kama River (1572-1573). These lands were owned by the richest merchants Stroganovs, who settled these territories with the permission of the tsar (1574), who turned to the Don Cossacks for help.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Deck

Well, as you don’t understand, this is completely different !!!

Indeed, you read the article and you realize that you do not understand anything! We are watching Surikov's Picture with the telling title "Vasily Ivanovich Surikov," The Conquest of Siberia by Yermak "". There, dashing white people explain with the help of squeaks to the local natives to whom they will pay yasak for the next hundreds of years. Those who disagree are killed. Well, so in the picture!
Well, then we read from the author: "The Russian pioneers, including Ermak, unlike, for example, the Spanish conquistadors or English pirates, did not bring violence with them." That is, the free distribution of gingerbread is not a picture. They didn’t kill everyone (well, a little bit, it doesn’t count), but made them tributaries of the Russian tsar, But this is completely different! Into demagoguery!
The British also believe that they were educating the natives in India or Australia, taught to read and write, brush their teeth, for example. Those gratefully enter the Commonwealth of the British Crown. But this is different again, you understand!

Hello Deck. 40 years ago, he served, lived and studied in those parts. According to the author, Ermak brought civilization, European culture, etc. to Siberia. In the photo there is a stele, but inside the Kremlin Yermak himself is standing, this photo would look more appropriate here. but you can't. There is a full-length sculpture of Ermak, and in his right hand, you probably guessed that. Here is the author -> the author -> the author and was ashamed of him. After all, Ermak brought culture and true faith to these barbarians. In my opinion, Mr. Samsonov and such analysts-historians as this Furtsov, plus our lady-in-arms - it is such people who will most likely destroy the Federation, as they destroyed the Union, but not the always guilty Erdogan and the "Heirs".

[Donhofleo]

The Russians did not drive anyone into slavery. But civilized Europeans built their prosperity on the robbery of colonies and slavery. And the Arabs still sin with it.

[Basil50]

2000
Please pay attention - in RUSSIA there are Tatar-Georgian-Armenian-German and many other * public national associations *. All of them are created only on the basis of ethnicity, some have state complementary foods, including those from abroad, especially arrogant ones are already creating their own enclaves. Moreover, everyone is in the pose of * sufferers * from RUSSIANS.
But there is NO association of RUSSIANS in RUSSIA or anywhere in the world. NOT AT ALL. Moreover, even the idea of ​​giving RUSSIANS in RUSSIA at least some rights is being pursued. There are Chechens-Dagestanis-Asians easily in MOSCOW they arrange dances, then sacrifices, then mass fights and the RUSSIANS are always to blame.
In RUSSIA, the attitude towards RUSSIANS is still not quite like in Europe, but apparently we will wait .........

[Donhofleo]

We will show ourselves in business if anything .... And the rest will help as always. You just need someone to be proud and cool ...

[Nazar]

Vasily50 - Did you miss Barkashov? Well, the flag is in your hands - recreate the RNE.
You yourself wrote - * public national associations * - so become a social activist, create a Russian association. Or only whine in the i-not are able to - huh? Should the government create "public" organizations for you? Or let someone else organize everything, and you criticize on the net that they did everything wrong "as it should"?

[Victor Tsenin]

That is why you and other parents with their children, to explain what is what and who is who. With a well-formed intellectual base, a child is very little subject to manipulation and sly innuendo.
In the absence of ideology and state educational work, the citizens themselves will have to slightly increase these efforts.

[midivan]

Quote: Lynx2000

If LGBT representatives disseminate information about themselves, seek and impose a demonstration of any **** at school on my child, it already turns out that they are not tolerant?

Not at all, they are tolerant, but you are more tolerant than them, because you allow them to achieve and impose ... With our tacit "consent" the fagots will soon set conditions for us, we will have to beat them, and even send some of them to the trail of "Mu-mu" , and to prevent this from happening, it would be time to organize rallies, legal and where there is a place for this, we will untie the President's hands and we should start with the law banning all mention in the media, a complete ban on the propaganda of these misbegotten ones. And about the article, I'm surprised they can write such an article, but a petition to the president ... And not one petition, but to get it, if they don't understand, then boycott this airport, but there is again a problem - our people, less and less principled, and more and more of those who are worried about their personal ass, do not need to go far - Peshkov and our resting pigs in Turkey, and what are the bulk of the poor-minded and primitive like slippers ...

[apro]

In fact, we see a consistent process of destruction and self-destruction of the global North, the white race and the indigenous peoples of Europe.

Russians consider themselves to be Europeans ???? something new on the resource. After constant washing that the Europeans are the age-old enemies of the Russians fresh.
If the Russians are original, then why do they need the problems of the Europeans? After all, they can be easily defeated. They are weakened, right?
The original civilizational strategy wins. And does the Russians have it today? And how are they pushing it. Because relying on it, you can move mountains. And from the article it turns out that you need to go into the wilderness and defend what is left.

[carstorm 11]

Lord ... What kind of sadness are you?) Enemies, yes. There have been and will be. Because for centuries they killed, captured, burned. They don't need to be defeated. They do a great job on their own. And yes. We must go on the defensive. Because all the most disgusting, disgusting comes only from there.

[apro]

Quote: carstorm 11

What kind of sadness do you want?

I can't understand why Russians are considered Europeans if ..

Quote: carstorm 11

Enemies, yes. There have been and will be.

And this is interesting.

Quote: carstorm 11

Because all the most disgusting, disgusting comes only from there.

What do you mean by that? What came from evropey.takogo what was not in Russia ??

[Tank hard]

Quote: apro

I can't understand why Russians are considered Europeans if ..

Because you do not understand the difference between politics and ethnography, or understand, but deliberately mislead the users of the resource. In the United States, for example, it is generally accepted to designate almost all white-skinned people with the term - an individual of Caucasian nationality. Specifically, Russians, for some time now, have begun to be ranked as "colored" and this is not because of the color of their skin. Study the question. if interesting.))

[Victor Tsenin]

Mass tolerance, liberation, spiritual decline, sodomy? The most bloodthirsty crimes on the planet are the work of the descendants of former barbarians, mass extermination, monstrous violence, all this is the legacy of Europe and the current absolute of these forces in the form of the Anglo-Saxons. Is it enough?

[Doctor]

Lord ... What kind of sadness are you?) Enemies, yes. There have been and will be. Because for centuries they killed, captured, burned. They don't need to be defeated. They do a great job on their own. And yes. We must go on the defensive. Because all the most disgusting, disgusting comes only from there.

Globally, there is a clear tendency to divide and unite the world along racial lines. As a consequence, and religiously.

Therefore, you need to think with whom we are.
China?
It's funny. They will assimilate us in 200 years.

[carstorm 11]

Through what?) For this, you must at least have the opportunity for this. Starting with the braa which are with Asians, the error is ending simply by settling. There is neither one nor the other. Through what they will wash out the ethnos? We simply do not have any conditions for this from the word at all.

[Doctor]

Through what?) For this, you must at least have the opportunity for this. Starting with the braa which are with Asians, the error is ending simply by settling. There is neither one nor the other. Through what they will wash out the ethnos? We simply do not have any conditions for this from the word at all.

Already. Full swing.

Chinese husbands and Russian wives: made for each other.

Chinese women are very spoiled. Especially if they are the only children in the family. In China, girls grow up like princesses, they don't know how to do anything and don't want to, they grow up to be slovens. Russians, on the other hand, are very caring, wonderful housewives, ”says Lu Yuping (36 years old, 8 years married, 2 children). - My wife prepares my clothes every morning: she makes sure that everything looks perfect, from panties to watches. She herself did the repairs at our house: she painted the walls when I left for work. And now he is building a house - I only give money. "

“My wife trusts me completely. I can call her in the middle of the night and say: I'm out with my friends, I had a drink, I won't come home tonight. She doesn't mind, ”says Lu Yuping.

https://magazeta.com/chinese-husband/

[carstorm 11]

I live in the Far East. I have a lot of acquaintances, both Chinese and ours living in China. Do you know how many mixed marriages I know? Zero. But I know a lot of Koreans with ours. I'm not saying that I know everything. But if I have been living all my life in a region from which they go to China just for the weekend to drink beer, I just don’t know such families, then this is sooooo significant. Moreover. Nowadays it's easier to meet an Uzbek than a Chinese. I have children. Kindergarten, school. Not a single Chinese child. I attend a bunch of events all the time. There are no such pairs. I go to the cinema, theaters, nightclubs. ANYONE. For the whole life. These pairs are in error. Anomaly. Ironing ... cleaning))) Do you know modern girls? They are exactly the same) as my wife says - I'm not your housewife

[Doctor]

0
I live in the Far East. I have a lot of acquaintances, both Chinese and ours living in China. Do you know how many mixed marriages I know? Zero. But I know a lot of Koreans with ours. I'm not saying that I know everything. But if I have been living all my life in a region from which they go to China just for the weekend to drink beer, I just don’t know such families, then this is sooooo significant.

There was no team yet.
Comrade Xi will give orders and a million Chinese Komsomol members will find Russian husbands. Yearly.

Who will refuse such?

[carstorm 11]

Only the Russians will refuse) we have too many of our own))) but here only one language interferes so much that they won't even try)))

[Doctor]

Only the Russians will refuse) we have too many of our own))) but here only one language interferes so much that they won't even try)))

If a strategic task is set, then the Chinese women will learn the language in a year so that the Kama Sutra will envy!

[carstorm 11]

Here our free girls are dark)))) well, someone can certainly pull on the exotic, fact))) spring has come, the skirts are all) from his already got a slap on the head a couple of times))))

[xorek]

Quote: carstorm 11

I live in the Far East. I have a lot of acquaintances, both Chinese and ours living in China. Do you know how many mixed marriages I know? Zero. But I know a lot of Koreans with ours. I'm not saying that I know everything. But if I have been living all my life in a region from which they go to China just for the weekend to drink beer, I just don’t know such families, then this is sooooo significant. Moreover. Nowadays it's easier to meet an Uzbek than a Chinese

Thanks for the info Dmitry !!! And then the liberda has already frightened us here with its whining that the Chinese have seized half of Russia and it's time to flee to the United States, asking for help ... I've personally never seen a single Chinese in my life (I live in the Urals))))
I also have relatives in the Far East and have not heard anything from them about the dominance of the Chinese .. Another hysterical liberal propaganda paid for by the USA ... !!!!!

[carstorm 11]

Yes, they scare those who simply do not live among this. It's like the rallies for Furgala. The whole edge for him blah blah blah. And in fact, zilch. But the picture was made and that's it. Nightmare. Help. The region is on strike. Although in fact people did not touch the first couple of times and then just started to enrage. Because of a bunch of paid clowns, some troubles. My mother has a client who openly said that she was being paid. Therefore, it walks every day)))

[Doctor]

I personally have never seen a single Chinese in my life (I live in the Urals))))

I haven't seen a single Caucasian before my 20s. Not to mention Asians.
Follow the trend, everything is ahead.

[Nazar]

carstorm 11 - It's no longer funny how the "Muscovites" climb out of their skin, scare us, residents of the Far East and Siberia with the Chinese they from Moscow, as always, know better.

[Donhofleo]

It is not true . Complete nonsense.

[Doctor]

It is not true . Complete nonsense.

The truth is that a Tajik woman will sing about Russian women from Russia at the Eurovision Song Contest.

[kalibr]

Quote: carstorm 11

Because all the most disgusting, disgusting comes only from there.

It is now clear who vomited on my stairs ... "they came from there."

[carstorm 11]

Not about this), let's say more globally)

[kalibr]

More globally, it was simply impossible to vomit. After all, it was a man, not an elephant.

[Doctor]

Russians consider themselves to be Europeans ???? something new on the resource. After constant washing that the Europeans are the age-old enemies of the Russians fresh.
If the Russians are original, then why do they need the problems of the Europeans? After all, they can be easily defeated. They are weakened, right?
The original civilizational strategy wins. And does the Russians have it today? And how are they pushing it. Because relying on it, you can move mountains. And from the article it turns out that you need to go into the wilderness and defend what is left.

These are modern political officers crowing for a small bribe.

Has anyone here read The Three Kingdoms or The River Creek? I think no. And this is great Chinese literature.

But everyone grew up on Andersen, Mark Twain, Jules Vernet and Jack London. In theaters for the role of Hamlet, the battle is not for life, but for death.

We are the heirs of the Greco-Roman civilization (i.e. Europeans-Caucasians) both in history and in spirit and in the face.

[andrew42]

"We are the heirs of the Greco-Roman civilization" -? About the Greco-I can not presume to judge unequivocally (except perhaps the Minoan culture). But the heir to the Roman civilization is that very Europe, - "The Holy Roman Empire of the German nation" - was such an official name. We are not the West, and we are not the East. We are the North. And we are the heirs of OWN ancestors, and not of some Balkan neighbors of 2 thousand years ago. Just for fun: Starks will never become Lannisters as long as the last Stark is alive :)

[polk26l]

I absolutely agree with the author of the article! It is high time to deal with the historical bonds of the Russian people in general and the Russian people-forming people in particular! This case of ignoring the opinion and opinion of the population of Tobolsk about the assignment of this city to the new airport by the name of Ermak is very indicative! The bored bureaucratic apparatus, which often gets into information bulletins not from the best side, being sometimes absolutely illiterate people who fall into power "by pull", sometimes make not only tactical, but also strategic mistakes, creating unnecessary tension in society! An example of Tobolsk is an example of this! Instead of perpetuating the name of the person who originally brought these territories to Russia, they try to hide it in oblivion against the will of the people, so that the descendants would not know about it! This is a purely enemy approach! Therefore, President V.V. Putin wonders where in educational institutions there are such history textbooks that bring up "Ivanov, who do not remember kinship!" And he, the president, should not be surprised, but urgently take measures to return to the world's best education system, which was. in USSR!!! Without any shameful USE and Sorov (USA) textbooks! It is necessary to clean and re-stop on the Soviet, the entire system of education in Russia! And to begin with the cleaning of the bureaucratic apparatus! Because "a rotten, lousy tree cannot have good fruit!"

[Pilot]

Um ... now I will stand up for Putin for the first time .. There are several million officials in the country, should he personally smell everyone? Only 47% came to the elections to the previous Duma elections, and the rest were lying on the stove and hamsters on their hacienda !!!! Officials are all painted in the color of the EP, who better than us to clean them out of power ??? But no, we will lie on the stove and come up with hundreds of excuses just to do nothing, not to participate in the life of the country, and then we are surprised that everything is awry in the country. There is no need to blame the mirror if the face itself is crooked!

[Revolver]

But "non-brothers" no one and nothing prevents them from naming streets and stadiums in honor of Bandera and Shukhevych.

[nikvic46]

Yes, everything Russian is being blurred. But this does not mean that all this comes at the suggestion of Washington. We and our ideologues have enough. "Purity of the soul is a sign of bad memory." We began to forget what our politicians did to us. And for what? Just to please the West. Ermak is worth an obelisk in Tobolsk. And you don't need to make a tragedy out of it. I would name Ershov. This military theme, against the background of the fact that someone warms their hands on this topic, is already fed up with everyone. The person came home from work, he needs to do something around the house. Then he sits down to watch TV. He is told about the Victory of the Russian people. Then he watches a film about the war. And he sees this there ... Okay, this is an adult. We have on TV or jokes until you drop. Either love is obligatory with a pistol. Or the audience’s favorite with Tolstoy’s gaze will say, “The dictatorship of idiocy.” Children have become smarter than adults.

[apro]

Quote: nikvic46

Children have become smarter than adults.

Not smarter, but more capable of solving problems that have arisen now. The older generation had slightly different tasks.

[nikvic46]

Frolov Oleg. Children are smarter than adults because their heads are not yet clogged with all sorts of garbage. They have everything ahead.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: nikvic46

Children have become smarter than adults.

I believed that the strength of the mind is determined by the ability to make independent decisions and live without outside help. True, the directions of development of mental abilities in this case can be directly opposite and do not always correspond to the letter of the law.

[rotmistr60]

local officials decided to be part of the global trend

Maybe those who decided to be a part of the "global trend" should be removed from office? Local officials from culture, education, who for unknown reasons consider themselves to be the conductors of the "light, democratic", often misinterpret history, push into the background people who really brought great benefits to Russia and at the same time feel at ease in their chairs.

[samarin1969]

It makes no sense to lower tolerance to the level of LGBT propaganda. The policy of the kings was based on taking into account the peculiarities of the life of people of other faith and blood. But for Ermak - it's a shame. Zealots of "national peculiarities" in well-known regions accept tolerance only unilaterally: "repent and be silent."
Too many decades of multiculturalism in Russia have done their job. The twentieth century severely thinned the Russians. Following the elite, the electorate began to consider the opportunity to "rest" in Turkey as the highest value. Well, in the brains of many, instead of ancestors - a solid "guy with a beard."

[depressant]

Okay...
I see that the minusers have gone wild, because they do not find consonances. So, which of the indigenous peoples live in the area of ​​the city of Tobolsk? Khanty, Mansi, Nenets, Selkups and, imagine, Tatars. But the question is: are these Tatars who live in Tatarstan? Let's leave the Tatars aside as a prudent, albeit angry nation that has its own republic as part of Great Russia, as well as examples of scientific, cultural significance and reasonable management, and consider the "more local" ones.
Of the nationalities, the Mansi are the most noisy. From the very beginning of living with the Russians, these people WERE NOT affected in their rights - first as part of the Russian Empire, then in the Soviet Union, where, in comparison with them, thanks to the preferences given to them in rights, it was just the Russians that were affected, and now - it's scary to say! - in the capitalist "paradise". They were given everything - learn, develop, raise their own poets, writers, artists, philosophers, scientists, statesmen and military leaders, so that the whole world knows, admires and, admiring, exhaled: "Oh! Little people, and what greatness!" Nothing prevented such a development of events, but did not take place, did not grow together - it happens! And now these people, as an excuse for their adherence to the lifestyle of four hundred years ago and their unwillingness to fit into modernity, such as it is, but still wanting to have a Soviet freebie spoiled by it, willingly fit into the world trend, consisting in trampling on true progress , including by wiping your feet on great historical names.
Can I blame these small nations for their selfishness, unwillingness to fit into all the good? No I can not. For at first, in Soviet times, they were corrupted by cultivating their national characteristics, just as little children are corrupted by indulging their whims - there was once, for many years, they were preparing the country for carve-up and beckoning them, small nations, with a new, unheard-of freebie, and now they crushed everyone - - and them, and us, Russians. But unlike small nations, we Russians resignedly bear our share of this pressure, for we have always been crushed, we are accustomed to. And it is customary to think that conscience will not wake up in relation to us - neither among small nations, which broadcast their whim only partially to the power, but mainly to us, nor in the government, which has nothing to do with either small nations or us.
Do I give us Russians credit for longsuffering? No, I don’t. I do not even blame us for the absence of a new philosophical thought, which consists not in "Who is to blame?!?", But in the instruction "What should we do?" Because in a situation of complete absurdity, which entangles a reasonable person from head to toe, only a state of continuous amazement arises. The Mansi are worried that they have been pushed somewhere, that something has been taken away from them, the Nenets are not allowed to fish. We Russians are not given anything at all. Will have to breathe soon after permission.

[samarin1969]

Quote: depressant

Okay...
I see that the minusers have gone wild, because they do not find consonances. So, which of the indigenous peoples live in the area of ​​the city of Tobolsk? Khanty, Mansi, Nenets, Selkups and, imagine, Tatars. But the question is: are these Tatars who live in Tatarstan? Let's leave the Tatars aside as a prudent, albeit angry nation that has its own republic as part of Great Russia, as well as examples of scientific, cultural significance and reasonable management, and consider the "more local" ones.
Of the nationalities, the Mansi are the most noisy. From the very beginning of living with the Russians, these people WERE NOT affected in their rights - first as part of the Russian Empire, then in the Soviet Union, where, in comparison with them, thanks to the preferences given to them in rights, it was just the Russians that were affected, and now - it's scary to say! - in the capitalist "paradise". They were given everything - learn, develop, raise their own poets, writers, artists, philosophers, scientists, statesmen and military leaders, so that the whole world knows, admires and, admiring, exhaled: "Oh! Little people, and what greatness!" Nothing prevented such a development of events, but did not take place, did not grow together - it happens! And now these people, as an excuse for their adherence to the lifestyle of four hundred years ago and their unwillingness to fit into modernity, such as it is, but still wanting to have a Soviet freebie spoiled by it, willingly fit into the world trend, consisting in trampling on true progress , including by wiping your feet on great historical names.
Can I blame these small nations for their selfishness, unwillingness to fit into all the good? No I can not. For at first, in Soviet times, they were corrupted by cultivating their national characteristics, just as little children are corrupted by indulging their whims - there was once, for many years, they were preparing the country for carve-up and beckoning them, small nations, with a new, unheard-of freebie, and now they crushed everyone - - and them, and us, Russians. But unlike small nations, we Russians resignedly bear our share of this pressure, for we have always been crushed, we are accustomed to. And it is customary to think that conscience will not wake up in relation to us - neither among small nations, which broadcast their whim only partially to the power, but mainly to us, nor in the government, which has nothing to do with either small nations or us.
Do I give us Russians credit for longsuffering? No, I don’t. I do not even blame us for the absence of a new philosophical thought, which consists not in "Who is to blame?!?", But in the instruction "What should we do?" Because in a situation of complete absurdity, which entangles a reasonable person from head to toe, only a state of continuous amazement arises. The Mansi are worried that they have been pushed somewhere, that something has been taken away from them, the Nenets are not allowed to fish. We Russians are not given anything at all. Will have to breathe soon after permission.

Wonderful manifesto, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
Usually, I don't agree with you on everything. We have different ideals and values. But I appreciate your intelligence and reasoning. And here, you have such a worthy literary style and correct thought!

[Doctor]

Of the nationalities, the Mansi are the most noisy.

And they also decided Dyatlov ...

[Reptiloid]

Hello Lyudmila!
My father was blue-eyed and blond, just like me. My father's mother and her sisters-brothers looked like modern Cossacks. But my father's grandmother, my great-grandmother, looked like the small peoples of the Far East and Siberia. Large old Cossack family. Those who came with Yermak got married, mixed with the local population. This is the backstory And the question arises: could these small peoples, as well as the Buryats, preserve, hold onto this richest land? I think no. What fate would await them ???

[Reptiloid]

I continue. The Chinese --- either assimilated (much later), or robbed, took tribute, or slaughtered! They took women and children away, enslaved them, destroyed whole families! Especially zealous were trade envoys, and robbers - hunghuz. They had local "puppets", servants who observed the interests of the "masters" and oppressed their fellow tribesmen. There is creativity, legends of different peoples, where this is reflected, even BEFORE ERMAK !!! It is also found in fairy tales, myths of the Nanais, Udege, Nivkhs and others. Until the XX century, these nations would not have survived !!!!!!!!! How many tribes of North, Central and South America, much larger in number, have not survived!
And the Russians, under the tsar, began to end the wars between the tribes, and preserved many of them!

[depressant]

Hello Dima!
It is known that the Chukchi and, it seems, the Yakuts fought among themselves until 1949, took slaves, until the central government intervened and stopped this outrage. During the Gorbachev period, no one gave a damn about everyone, and Russians became slaves on the garlic plantations of Chechnya and in some households in Abkhazia. Maybe somewhere else - I have no information. That is, small peoples were given the opportunity to return to their backward historical behavior. They liked it. Already in the Russian Federation, small peoples finally gave up, replacing the elongation by the ears in civilization, which took place in the USSR, with the opportunity to take the leadership of the living space into the hands of their clans, actively ousting the Russians. We thought that this is it, happiness! It turned out not. Subsidies from the center went plentifully to children in Kyrgyzstan and anywhere, and they dripped a little, so that only flowed down the mustache.
And then the oligarchs showed up! They showed up and began to harshly exploit the territories, unfastening something to the local cones, and to the rest of the local - shish, and immediately a local noisy "advanced intelligentsia" appeared, with the aim of surrendering to the rich abroad on the basis that maybe thrown. Arose and opened her mouth to the central government, now post-Soviet, undermining the integrity of the country ...
Is that why it's so bad?
We have investigated the question of the filthiness of what is happening here, on the pages of VO, and repeatedly.
The answer is simple.
To be friends with a foreign country, you need to have it in trading partners. To do this, it was necessary to root out even those own production facilities that could be easily modernized. Most of the local industry was killed, and those Khanty, Mansi, Russians and others who could work in enterprises, as well as open their own small industries, were out of work. The country was covered with countless supermarkets filled with goods produced by the hands of workers in other countries. The impudence of the oligarchic government reached the point that the Khanty, Mansi, Russians and others began to replace millions of Asian guest workers strikebreakers. If we add here the monstrous size of the annual export of capital by oligarchs and foreign co-owners of supposedly state-owned enterprises, as well as their complete unwillingness to invest in the development of local industrial production, medium and small, or at least not interfere with that - then here it is, a complete oil painting called " Friendship with partners in the form of groveling in front of them. "
The population is consistently taught to feed on handouts from the hands of the state, to die out from undernourishment and incomplete treatment, to merge abroad for good.
So what is the Mansi wrong about? In the fact that they separate us from themselves, based on the false message that we and they have different problems.

[Reptiloid]

In my opinion, the benefits of small peoples have been preserved. Perhaps not everything. But our small peoples, in my opinion, still need to look not at the $$$$ millionaires of the West, but more often read about the fate of the Indians, both past times and today. After all, several years ago there was an International Symposium, or some other name, on the development of small nations. In the Russian Federation, the conditions were recognized as the best. If they were still immune to alcohol, then their life would be much better. But nothing can be done while science is powerless here, however, this has always been, both in Russia and overseas.

[Reptiloid]

I continue, (the tablet is an enemy agent, everything spoils me today) What if you know, Lyudmila? There were eyewitness accounts of protests against the Russians in 1975 (tentatively) in Yakutsk and about the forceful termination

[depressant]

No, Dima, this fact is not known to me, but I am not surprised. Because people who have visited Yakutia now write a lot about the fact that the Yakuts behave as if they have already separated from Russia - quite hostilely. Diamonds are tempting. This is a painful, dark and extremely confusing question, a trash not only for the Yakuts, but for all of us, planted by the built system of economic relations.

[Reptiloid]

There were stories that more people were detained than could fit in. Somehow they were taken back and forth. But here it is not clear --- how their small peoples, it seems, should not be imprisoned?
And here's another thing. At work, there was one teacher who lived in Ukraine before, so she was indignant that there "zapadentsy" were equated in rights with small nations and benefits for obtaining higher education and always scholarships, income tax and other stuff ...

[depressant]

Dima, there were quotas for institutes - for all small ones. Then they pulled them by the scruff from course to course. Well, they reached out. This is how it always happens when there is no justice, equal in relation to everyone. And now it is especially lacking in providing equal business opportunities. If they said, they say, capitalism, everyone is spinning as best they can, then this is one formulation of the question. And the second is that some are allowed to spin, they are even twisted, while others are not. It is this injustice, one of many, that undermines the integrity of the state. And people say, they say, we have our own territory, we want it ourselves. So what? Disperse them with clubs? Let there, in the Kremlin, look for approaches to such. Themselves turned around, let them rake them themselves.

[Reptiloid]

Good morning, Lyudmila, Phrase

..... the market will put everything in its place ...

people used to understand that everything will work out for them. And it is not said in this phrase about equal opportunity and justice or legality. Only that the market can behave as it sees fit. Psss Yesterday the network was not buggy.

[depressant]

Good morning, Dima!
What is the injustice? What is strangling the country?
The injustice is that in the conditions given to us, namely in capitalism, it is impossible to emancipate the creative forces of any capitalist person. For example, banks and large enterprises - the fodder base of the FSB and big bureaucrats - they were originally created that way. Medium-sized enterprises are under the Ministry of Internal Affairs and middle-level officials. Small ones - feeding for the lower levels of the bureaucratic vertical and all the same Ministry of Internal Affairs, its field offices. Capitalism, which was supposed to abundantly fill the state budget, is the fodder base of the corruption vertical. Have you ever heard that the "progressive" world community accused our political power mainly of corruption? No, they are accused of aggression against other countries, and nothing more. Because the self-strangulation of capitalism in Russia is extremely beneficial to them, they participate in this strangulation, and from this they have significant advantages. How to get out of this? No way. Perhaps some parts of the country will find doors to the outside. And they will come out. Bringing my experience of corruption to the rest of the world in search of sympathizers. And they will find it. There is a shaft of this too, and although it is driven into a decent-looking frame, it is ready to rot willingly. Our framework is overly indecent, African. Unless people do not eat. Literally. And in the opposite direction - they go to food, not denying themselves anything.
In general, the situation is very dangerous for the integrity of the country. Amendments cannot be restrained, they are only for the legitimacy of the use of truncheons. So far, it has been achieved only due to the fear of "progressive" foreign countries in front of our fusion. But there is always a way around it. The experience of dismemberment without bombing is there, it is enough to look out the window to see its results.

[Reptiloid]

Your comment has not yet thought about it, but, in my opinion, it somehow echoes what I continued at 10.10, below. I need to look at the mail of another tablet now ...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Reptiloid

Good morning, Lyudmila, Phrase

..... the market will put everything in its place ...

people used to understand that everything will work out for them. And it does not say in this phrase about equal opportunities and justice or legality ........

Many then thought that with their qualifications they would be in demand and respected more than under socialism. They could not have imagined that when "fitting" into the Western economic and value system everything would be different (not in their favor). Also about fairness and fairness of the market, they probably came up with themselves. Without thinking about corruption, deceit, theft, "brothers", women with low social ...... and many other characters. And all that was necessary was to go to the city market and carefully see how it was there and what.

[depressant]

Yes ... And it seems that the fight against corruption is underway. But it is similar to pruning fruit trees in the fall and additional pruning in the spring. Biologists believe that if a tree is regularly pruned, then it only strengthens from this. Dormant buds wake up, and in conditions of regular, carefully planned pruning, such a tree can live for millennia and even forever. Sleeping buds of our corruption will always be found.
Evil tongues say that Khrushchev gave the initial rehabilitation of corruption by releasing from the dungeons of the generals-marauders and the thieves - his personal friends. This became tantamount to the go-ahead "You can!"
Too old start, the tree has taken root and got stronger. Who can root out?

[Reptiloid]

this topic --- Khrushchev and corruption is somehow difficult for me
But there were people in the USSR who were like ----

... you ---- me, I ---- you

achieved a lot. Or knew others who possessed such knowledge and capabilities. .... somehow we contacted, they built like such chains. As a housing exchange.
If you think about it, it’s like some kind of secret underground fuss. Surrealism

[Aviator_]

But there were people in the USSR who were like ----

Yes, there were such people, during the blockade of Leningrad, they made huge fortunes for themselves, but they fought mercilessly with such. The 1947 monetary reform was made against such people. They need to be weeded regularly, but under Khrushch this stopped.

[Aviator_]

At work, there was one teacher who lived in Ukraine before, so she was indignant that there "zapadentsy" were equated in rights with small nations and benefits for obtaining a higher education and always a scholarship, income tax and other stuff ...

Dmitry, this teacher is just raving, especially about "always a scholarship" and about income tax.

[Reptiloid]

What do you think, Sergei, what kind of nationality could it be? I did not elaborate then. Don't ask now. I don’t think I was delusional, in old age I was able to master a new specialty and prove myself in it. She had other positive qualities.

[Aviator_]

If you do not like the word "delirious", then you can put it differently - was incorrectly informed. The tax applied to absolutely everyone, for a scholarship there are very specific rules, for violation of which you can lose your place. Another thing is that the administration of the university can put pressure on the teachers in order to overestimate the marks, but there could be no "instructions from the center" on this matter. Well, I don't even want to discuss the fact that "the Westerners are equated with small nations". So I have no idea who she was referring to. I can say the following about nationality. After Israel's six-day war with the Arabs (summer 1967), the USSR broke off diplomatic relations with it. Domestic Jews have always sympathized with Israel, while by hook or by crook they emigrated there. A strict condition was set - to leave for permanent residence abroad, you need to return the payment for higher education (here everyone received it for free). A universal howl arose that Soviet Jews were being oppressed - they were demanding to return the tuition fees at the university. The admission of this nationality to the universities of the defense profile was somewhat limited - well, what's the point of preparing qualified opponents for yourself for free. In reality, this resulted in the fact that, all other equal entrance points, preference was given to applicants of a different nationality. And again howl to the whole universe. That was in my memory in the late 60s, early 70s.

[Reptiloid]

I will ask different questions in the search engine and find out all this, Sergei. What else I remember from my childhood. When we lived in the taiga, a helicopter periodically flew in on the site (GRE). Then I found out that in the camps too. These were medical professional examinations of children and pregnant women. If there was something wrong with health, they were immediately taken to the regional center to the hospital.

[Aviator_]

Yes, the prevention of diseases in Soviet medicine was set at a high level, starting with the People's Commissar of Health Semashko.

[Reptiloid]

I asked the person who lived there. (I’m there until I was 6 years old ....) When women in the camps had 7 months of pregnancy - to the regional center to the hospital. And they were discharged when the baby was about 2 months old. That is, there was such a maternity leave then. This was good for women and babies. Because there was a lot of work for women in the camp. And sometimes there was bad weather for a long time and the time in the hospital increased.

[Aviator_]

Lyudmila Yakovlevna, your idea is clear, the USSR corrupted small nations. And why in RI these Mansi did not make their way to the heights of progress, did not create

own poets, writers, artists, philosophers, scientists, statesmen and military leaders,

?
I did not notice the special supernationalism of the Mansi, and indeed did not notice them at all. I probably don't live there.

[Reptiloid]

I haven't met the Mansi myself, but I thought that the Russian people really behaved like an older brother relative to other peoples of Russia, the USSR. Accordingly, other peoples behaved like younger brother-sisters, guarded by their elders and demanding.

[nikvic46]

People are getting used to the old names. Naberezhnye Chelny was once called Brezhnev. At the box office a man - "Give me a ticket to Brezhnev Chelny." And if I say, "To the airport named after Sergei Korolev", then I'm sure the taxi driver will ask again - "Is this in Kurumoch, or what?"

[Aleks2048]

Not the slaves of the Russians, not people of the second or third class, but full-fledged citizens and residents of the Russian state.

Siberia is a Russian land inhabited mainly by Russian people. The decision must be made by the townspeople themselves. Russian people, masters of their land.

It seems to me alone that this contradiction is located in the text almost through a sentence ... Where did the indigenous people go?
I wanted to stop reading ... but I will make an effort and see what other pearls the author will offer.

[parusnik]

This is capitalism, baby.

[Doctor]

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This is capitalism, baby.

He did not interfere with the kings.

[parusnik]

The Bolsheviks came and ruined everything, planted bombs Now, then it will explode, then in Tobolsk

[Doctor]

The Bolsheviks came and ruined everything, planted the bombs smile Now, it will explode there, then in Tobolsk smile

Why was it fucked up? Developed. And smarter than kings.

Firstly, they cleaned out religions, which in a multi-confessional country do not unite, but divide.

Secondly, they made an attempt to form a single nation - the Soviet man.

[parusnik]

That was sarcasm I can't write otherwise.

[Donhofleo]

Quite right. It was the Bolsheviks who made it possible to form new states. Now this seems like a big mistake. But who knows ! Maybe these years will pass and everything will return to normal. It's like children rebel, get burned in the cycle of life and then return home. And they say, father and mother, we are with you ...

[Aleks2048]

For example, in Switzerland, the USA and France, dads and moms were canceled. They were replaced by the terms "parent # 1" and "parent # 2". All these are elements of a new world order.

The author should look less into the zombie box and a lot of amazing discoveries await him. The fact is that this is not implanted in the family, and the terms are used by lawyers to describe legal issues and disputes. Thus, in addition to what lies on the surface of the LGBT type, the soil is knocked out of the formulation of the answer to the question why the child was left with his mother, and not with his father, beloved by our Russian courts, because mother has a maternal instinct. And a lot of such nonsense, which is often pushed into the justification of decisions. There were few stories about fathers and maternity capital, etc.

[Until Ger]

And if we imagine that
still in Russia,
Mongol-Tatar yoke.
And I posted this article
Tatar journalist,
Baty Mamaevich, for example.
Only by replacing the indigenous
peoples of Siberia Slavs ...
And attaching a picture to the article,
the capture of Ryazan by Khan Batu ...
Well ... thinking out loud.

[Blacksmith 55]

Madhouse, another word does not come to mind.
This is history, and no matter how they fought with it, IT WAS SO AND NOT OTHERWISE.

[north 2]

it is naive to think that the name of Ermak, who expanded Russia by conquering Siberia, will now be called an airfield, when the name of Stalin, who industrialized Russia from plow to nuclear weapons to protect Russia and led the salvation of Russia from death in the Second World War, has not yet been named no matter what city or airfield, but even a small street, even in a small village or town, is not named after this Great Man. What kind of perversion is now experiencing over itself and how all this endures Russia, it is difficult even to imagine. Until now, she is pushed towards the idea of ​​internationalism, because Lenin once defined Russia as a prison of peoples. But during the biggest holiday on May 9, Lenin's Mausoleum with the inscription LENIN is disguised. So why then hide Lenin, if internationalism is nice, and why then ignore the names of Ermak and Ivan the Terrible, if healthy Russian patriotic nationalism is nice. I value Putin in many things for Russia, but so that he only now learns about the history textbooks that Soros agents and local liberal historians, such as Svanidzi or Gozman, wrote for Russian schools, I somehow hardly believe in it. If Russia continues to break like this from the inside, depriving it of its real history with its real great people, then soon it will be possible to imagine Russia as a tear that rolls down the cheek of History and so ask, - Russia, what is your glorious and great history turned, what you have become as a result of this and where are you going as a result of this ...

[Slavutich]

The very formulation of the question is absurd: what kind of battle for Siberia can there be?
With the same success, one can ask the question: the battle for the Smolensk region or the Leningrad one?
In a country that has states, such a question cannot even be raised!
And when the economy in Russia has fallen more than 20 times in 10 years, of course, soon "battles" will be around any land.

[Doctor]

The very formulation of the question is absurd: what kind of battle for Siberia can there be?
With the same success, one can ask the question: the battle for the Smolensk region or the Leningrad one?

So they were also beaten back in their time. The quietest and Peter.
And LATER Ermak.

[Slavutich]

So that's the question, fought for them in the 15-16th century, and now in a superpower with whom to fight? Mars Attacking or Jupiter?
And if this is the question, then to put it mildly, very mildly, "not everything is all right in the Danish kingdom"

[Doctor]

And if this is the question, then to put it mildly, very mildly, "not everything is all right in the Danish kingdom"

By itself. And the process goes on.
The Colosseum remained from the Roman Empire. Nothing remained of Byzantium.

[Slavutich]

I agree. But they didn’t know much, but we know ... and admit it?
And what will we leave to our great-grandchildren?

[bk0010]

Quote: Arzt

Nothing remained of Byzantium.

Constantinople? Sofia?

[Doctor]

Constantinople? Sofia?

Istanbul. Hagia Sophia Great Mosque.

[bk0010]

Quote: Arzt

Istanbul. Hagia Sophia Great Mosque.

Here: everything is in place.

[Doctor]

Here: everything is in place.

The Kremlin will also remain in place.
Kurultay will be held there.

[andrew42]

Well, judging by the Aksakovs, Turgenevs, Pleshcheyevs, Beklemishevs, etc., the kurultai has already passed there more than once :)

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Slavutich

With the same success, one can ask the question: the battle for the Smolensk region or the Leningrad one?

With the same success, one can pose the question: Leningrad Oblast or St. Petersburg? I will not say anything about the blockade. as well as about OL LenVO ...

[Vladimir61]

Historical roots and subsequent motivations need "living water", but where will it come from if there is no ideology in the country. For thirty years, there has been a struggle to depersonalize the historical merits of the Russian people, its leading role in the formation and development of the country, the survival and development of national minorities. How many scientists or prominent figures of science and culture, issued by the incubator of democracy, which calls itself the United States, from among the representatives of the indigenous peoples? And what happened in the Russian Empire, the USSR ?. On whose fragments does the process of cultural and educational growth of the small peoples of Russia continue today? There is no need to build problems where they clearly contradict the majority. Democracy is not the subordination of the majority, to the minority; it is the creation of equal conditions for development and existence, nothing more!

[From Tomsk]

Siberia is being destroyed by Moscow represented by the LGBT community - United Russia. In Tomsk, the airport was also renamed, but no one remembers the name, because no one cares about it. It would be better if the roads were made, otherwise they look like in Grozny in the 90s.

[steelmaker]

"Will we become faceless citizens"
For the past 30 years, our government and the president have been pursuing such a policy. If Chubais is still held in high esteem, and not on bunks, this says a lot. And we are to blame for allowing mediocrity to rule. Which are only capable of stealing and destroying. Hopefully in September the EP will kick in the ass.

[Reptiloid]

...... the last 30 years .....

lies about our history spread and spread among us and on different topics. Above, so to speak. Now Katyn, then praises to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. ....
What is there to be surprised at by further lies? Lies who are in that much.

[Ruudi 34]

Well, we should be proud of Katyn .... and we "imperialists" are all ashamed - "we were not, they say, shot." Like that woman: "I'm not guilty .. he came himself .."
The answer must be detached: "Yes, I do not care about this Katyn - this is the course of History and Reality ...". )))

[Knell wardenheart]

I think that calling airports, "harbors in the sky" by the names of people who have nothing at all to do with aeronautics, or the formation of aviation, or its development in any form, or even its use in any form, is not right. A person, cultural figure or politician should be associated with something, he should have some kind of historical and cultural message - and if we call something by someone's name, then it is not for the sake of a catchphrase, but for the sake of this very "message". "As you name the boat, so it will float."
Ermak is undoubtedly a historical person, he contributed to the expansion of the state's borders using methods acceptable for that historical period - but what message can the name of the airport carry in his honor? It's like calling a submarine "Boris Yeltsin" or a large shopping center "Rokossovsky Plaza" - there is no sense here. I believe that airports should be named after famous pilots, aircraft designers, military personalities associated with aviation or astronautics. Otherwise, it turns out some kind of mishmash.

[xorek]

I read it with interest .. But I am purely on the political side ..

[AntiAleks]

How Yermak's gang enslaved Siberia

[Oleg133]

SSSRF against the Russians. Anyone who is familiar with arithmetic can calculate sq km, term and rubles.

Putin's last proposal for an additional breakdown of the family is an allowance for the RSP, but not for a married woman.

[Nitten]

With this "exposure". it is time for the competent authorities to pay close attention to the "Heritage". It will become clear where the ears grow from.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

I do not see any particular problems, because the policy of the state, on the contrary, is aimed at eroding small peoples and creating a super-ethnos "Russians" or, at best, Russians. Indeed, for this, the biggest step was taken - the abolition of the obligatory languages ​​of small peoples in the republic. Indeed, according to the census, it can be seen that the Russian language is more and more in the republics, and the share of its native language is also growing. In the 21st century, a century where the Russian language is everywhere, from TV to study, small languages ​​cannot survive, because young people for the most part do not teach them, how why? Few people speak it, more Russian.

[lazy]

Well, we are working on an attempt to break up Russia on the model of the USSR, and now the State Department's garbage dump, Radio Freedom, organizes "Crimea realities", "Siberia realities" remember how the campaign against Yermolov is going on in the Caucasus, how the monument to the first Russian post in this place was liquidated in Sochi at the request of some public organization, which is interesting for most of the signatories abroad. interesting to see the composition of this "legacy".

[Victor Tsenin]

> It will be followed by Northern Europe.
She is not what follows, on the contrary, in the forefront. Swedish girls are called potatoes by migrants, the corresponding areas where no one pokes, everything is like tracing paper.

Regarding rebuff and resistance, I think that almost each of our relatives oppresses his own line and keeps the brand, at least at the household level.
We have this firmware and it's great.

[A-lex]

So name the specific names of the Tobolsk officials who are organizing this sabotage. There are names and faces behind any actions

[Donhofleo]

Yes, you read the comments and are surprised. Loafers have nothing to do. Work and be affirmed by it. There is always an opportunity. Your laziness can always be attributed to a bad king, power and weather. But we all deserve the life that we ourselves want ...

[Azzzwer]

I wonder why I should worry about the fact that the monument to the slave owner of the South was demolished?

[Ruudi 34]

Ermak is an ordinary example of a colonizer. Let the representatives of "Russian statehood" take offense as much as they want - but in reality this is so. And it's funny how Stalin is recorded as Emperor. The empire lives on its colonies. And under the USSR - the outskirts were very much helped ... What kind of Empire is this? Ah, this eternal dream of Russians about "a strong hand and Big Daddy ..."
Stalin's teacher Lenin wanted to give the principles of people's democracy, for the Soviets, house and factory collectives. But the reality at that time was Russia was such that these principles had to be abandoned ... "The Curse of the Golden Horde" turned out to be very strong.

[Ela myaushkina]

Another bullshit. Well, not tired of chewing the same thing sucked out of your finger and blowing a whale out of a fly? Samsonov only writes about the same thing. Nothing new. But who cares what worries him? Let him keep it with him.

And his Samsonov is mainly concerned with the problems of the white race, to which he himself belongs. And the rest are not white means, in his opinion, not people. Pure Nazism and Racism.

In addition, the old order cannot exist forever, just as there are no immutable things. If civilization and society want to develop, then they must change and abandon the old. This is what Samsonov is against. An inveterate and ossified traditionalist conservative.

[andrew42]

Where did Samsonov revile other nations? Denied them importance? - Not. Samsonov writes that OWN NATURAL must be protected like the apple of an eye, and not allow yourself to be imposed a false sense of guilt. Otherwise, different leaders have only one question for the Russian man: Take off your trousers and blow into the taiga. Give your wife to your uncle, and yourself ... well, like that yourself. No, the fig is calloused! Before entering the position of the various "sufferers" there, one must first stop being a sufferer. And Race is generally a self-name. Different "races" were invented by Western European ethnographers, the predecessors of the "British scientists". Race - Russenia - Race. We are all genetic "racists" - Slavs, Turks, and Finno-Ugric peoples. Such is the heavy legacy of the "ancestral" mode.

[Vlad world]

Read the article and comments. And no one author or commentators, not talking about these poor Tatars, know the story. Damn Ermak - did not conquer Western Siberia, but restored the jurisdiction of Moscow over it. Even under the grandfather of Ivan the Terrible, a detachment of Service people under the command of two Boyarsky Children reached Altai and went down the Ob to the Ocean. Along the way, leading the local population to the Oath of the Moscow Sovereign. Taking a large yasak and, according to custom, the necessary hostages. And since then, Western Siberia has been near Moscow. While one of Central Asia escaped from there imagines himself the head of Siberia. Official Moscow, alas, had no time for Siberia. Here the Stroganovs were sent to pacify. So they began to interfere with them and strongly. Well, then Yermak defeated the impostor, and since he was not particularly versed in state affairs, he bowed like the conquered land to the Emperor, as they say. And since the money-Pushnina was extremely needed, help was sent in the further Expedition to the East. Well, a private initiative with the support of the state (even a small one) works wonders. And after an extremely short time (by historical standards) the Russians reached another Ocean.

[EMMM]

Probably, I am already somewhat outdated, but I think that the "free world" simply cannot cope with its internal problems due to the impotence of power.
I emphasize - INTERNAL!
Imagine an American soldier kneeling before a Vietnamese war veteran ...
A safety protection ministers of US citizens are required to bend the knee before a nigga is not more than 29% of the US population and is a major part of the disloyal to the current legislation of the inhabitants of the state.
This is called "freedom" (add from myself minority LGBT, niggers and so on.).
The policeman was sent for a specific period of time for sending him to the next world.
Nevertheless, some government services of our "partner" decided to try this technology on the territory of Russia.
I hope that in the foreseeable future a Russian man who touched the ass of an employee he liked will not be accused of "harassment" - and this is, in principle, the same topic.

[Normal ok]

The author writes: "The Russian pioneers, including Yermak, unlike, for example, the Spanish conquistadors or English pirates, did not bring with them violence, genocide of the local population on religious, racial or ethnic grounds."
Moreover, even the picture taken to illustrate the text is called: "Conquest Ermak of Siberia. "The locals had to be killed a little. Previously, they were not ashamed. And about how he robbed the local population (and the royal treasury) there was an article on VO.

[andrew42]

Here it would be necessary to separate the flies from the cutlets. The first question is the name of the airport. I am deeply grateful to Ermak Timofeevich, but he is a MILITARY, whatever one may say. To be honest, this is a clinic for a particularly stubborn pseudo-patriotic brain - to call a civil airport "Yermak". Air force base? - Yes, good luck, that's it. You can even name the city by the consent of the residents. But the airport is some kind of obsession. The second question: about the systematic erosion of the Russian heritage and the step-by-step oblivion of the Russian state. This is the case. And this is at the highest political level, and conceptually. According to the internal policy of the current rulers, the Russians should become a substrate on which, as a fertilizer, they will "grow" something ... they themselves do not know what, but the main thing is not to Russians. The difference between the current international capitalists and the communists is fundamental: the communists assumed that on the basis of the Russian people (due to their mentality and archetypes) a new ethnos would grow - the Soviet people. Capital believes that in the place of the Russian people there should be nothing left, this is the old "wrong" oil, which so far has to be "pumped". This is scary. This must be resisted. And the cry "Aeroproth was not called Ermak" is, excuse me, hysteria, against the background of the general state of affairs described above.

[Alt 22]

One Buryat stubbornly argued to me that to single out the Russians, to single out one nation in general, is “Nazism”.
That there is a "single Russian ethnos" and all that.
As I understand it, with this path, the Russians will only remain outside the borders of the Russian Federation, and even then not for long ... In the Russian Federation, they risk being destroyed by multiculturalism.

[podymych]

A powerful trend to the East for many years was justified - by the desire of the same Cossack women to break free, and by the fact that the "monarchist" and the communist center that replaced it stimulated such a desire additionally, although convicts and convicts under Article 58 were also usually there - to the East , well, or to the North ... The center of the "federal" is somehow not quite so, more precisely - not so at all. A provincial hectare - in general, it looks more like a mockery, the cosmodrome for everything Rogozhin's PR-enthusiasm will not last long. So, alas - the opposite trend, after wars and revolutions, after reforms and the return to the power of capital, the Russian province is emptying, the East is emptying.