RSC Energia shared some details about the new orbital station

At the initial stage, the new Russian space station will consist of four modules, later it will be expanded to six. This is stated in the report of RSC Energia.

According to the information that has appeared, at the first stage, the new station will include four modules: basic, scientific and energy, nodal and gateway blocks. Then the target and production are added to them. The station should also be equipped with a spacecraft service platform. The first module for the station is already being manufactured; we are talking about the scientific and power unit, which was intended for the ISS. After deciding on your own station, it will be slightly altered.

Judging by the latest statements from Roscosmos and Energia specialists, the first module will be sent into orbit in 2025, the station itself will be deployed by 2030. It is a little unclear whether this will be the deployment of all six modules or only the first four.

According to preliminary data, the new station will not be permanently inhabited, it is planned to make it "visited" once or twice a year. Transport ships will fly more often - up to three per year. The crew of the station will be 2-4 people, depending on the tasks performed in orbit, it is planned to place in orbit robots.

Roscosmos confirmed the calculations of specialists that by 2025 the ISS modules will have reached 80% of their service life and their maintenance will cost the amount comparable to the construction of a new station.

What will happen to the Russian segments after Russia leaves the ISS is still unknown. There is talk that it can be transferred to NASA management, commercial use of the modules is possible, and the option with complete conservation is possible. While these are all assumptions, specific negotiations have not yet been conducted.

Comments

[svp67]

What will happen to the Russian segments after Russia leaves the ISS is still unknown.

Well, there was a statement that some of them will be used in the initial configuration of the new station. In all this, I feel sorry for the module, the MULTI-SUFFERED module "Science", it looks like it's not destiny to fly ...

[Thrifty]

svp67 - there is no point in using them, there is high wear and tear on equipment and communications. The station with them will be forever under repair, which will have no end-edge.

[alexmach]

So, 2 new ones are planned to be launched this year.

And just in general, I asked here - with the production of modules for space stations, everything turns out to be sad.
Zarya and Zvezda are Soviet heritage, the last one was built in 1985. It is her support in working order that they complain about. The notorious "Science" still cannot be tormented in any way.

[spirit]

Do not forget that the station will most likely be in a new orbit (angle) for the Max flight over the territory of the Russian Federation, and the current blocks are sharpened for the ISS with a completely different orbit, so the old modules are already scrapped.

[Achilles]

I hope that the new orbital station will be called Mir-2. In the future, an orbital complex will appear on its basis, from which launches to the Moon and Mars will be possible.
If the construction of a new DOS (long-term orbital station) is carried out only by means of rockets such as the Proton (cargo mass = 22 tons), then 20 launches will cost the Russian treasury $ 1,5-2 billion.
If Energia does the same (cargo mass = 98 tons, 4-5 launches), then the amount will be the same, approximately $ 1,4-1,7 billion.
When using MAKS, a multipurpose aerospace system (cargo mass = 30 tons), the same 20 launches will cost $ 100-150 million. True, the creation of MAKS will cost about $ 2 billion.
What will Roscosmos choose?
I believe that investing in MAKS is a profitable investment in the future of Russian cosmonautics. At the output, we will receive, firstly, a launch system not tied to launch sites - about 11 non-class airfields with a runway length of over 3 km are suitable for cosmodromes.
Secondly, the satellite constellation replenishment system, the cosmonaut emergency rescue system, the satellite inspection system and the space reconnaissance system, which is not afraid of anti-satellite weapons.

[Servisinzhener]

They will choose the "Angara" or "Soyuz-5" launch vehicles and the "Eagle" spacecraft.

[Civil]

What's not in 2030? And then already Science from the damned 90s cannot be launched.

[Cosm22]

Aren't you sorry for NEM?
This voiced "it will be altered a little" is annoying right away.
Will they be remodeling, too, for a quarter of a century, like MLM? So many of us will not live to see the victorious finish.

[astepanov]

Well, since Rogozin promised, then, of course, everything will be on time and of better quality. They will be withdrawn with the Yenisei rocket, the cosmonauts will fly on the Federation spacecraft. A bright cosmic tomorrow awaits us. Yes, only, I suspect, the hell will wait. Already sick of these promises.

[xorek]

Quote: svp67

What will happen to the Russian segments after Russia leaves the ISS is still unknown.

Well, there was a statement that some of them will be used in the initial configuration of the new station. In all this, I feel sorry for the module, the MULTI-SUFFERED module "Science", it looks like it's not destiny to fly ...

Don’t worry Sergey, Russia has been designing heavy launch vehicles for 20 years for a reason, and they are ready .. You can launch this into orbit, Mom don’t worry .. Looks like the moment has come, we will wait and I think it will be a breakthrough into space from the time of Yuri Gagarin!

[Thrifty]

I propose to name the new station in honor of Putin - then it will be ready in space at most, in one year

[hydro]

Better Navalny)))))))))) They will do it right away)

[Thrifty]

hydroy - and send them both to this station in the same spaceship. ..

[rocket757]

RSC Energia shared some details about the new orbital station

DO, waiting with!

[novel66]

comment from KB RSC Energia - "bullshit" is short and clear
Vitya

[rocket757]

Roman, you can say differently ... they have some kind of plans ... the PR people have fantasized a bit, or more than a bit, go figure it out? it is possible only from the inside, but who will let us go there?

[novel66]

I have spies there ...

[rocket757]

Then it is possible, it is possible ... with me, everything that was with space is very much in the past. So memories and some souvenirs.
I now only look / suffer from the outside.

[venik]

Quote: novel xnumx

I have spies there ...

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But from this place, citizen Roman, more details please! ( )

[novel66]

but crap!

[venik]

Quote: novel xnumx

but crap!

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What, conscience tortured? Oh well! We'll find it anyway!
What article do we have there on espionage?
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Quote: novel xnumx

I have spies there ...

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PS Aha! Gotcha!

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Quote: novel xnumx

I have spies there ...

Cleaning ladies?

[Knell wardenheart]

target and production

It would be interesting to read about "production", what they have in mind ..

The first module for the station is already being manufactured; we are talking about the scientific and power unit, which was intended for the ISS. After deciding on your own station, it will be slightly redone

I see a reason to pull the rubber again has been found

the placement of robots in orbit

Which are also not yet available, probably even in the project. Considering the voyage of "Fedor" to the ISS so far, this whole thing is not so close to the future. Plus, I will note that the robot needs to be powered from something + the station equipment, which kakbe hints that the issue of power supply for the new station will be very thick.

In general, so far all that I hear on this topic is the essence of fantasy, the reality will probably be as follows - when the ISS begins to pour out of more or less new modules, we will burn down our KazinTso, send a couple more from above and declare it a triumph.

[Ilya098]

There will be 2 production modules
1) Target-production module
2) Free-flying production module
+ Service platform
I will attach a general view of the station here, if you want to know about production modules, follow the link, there is a detailed description of each module. This is if, that is not "in the mind of an artist", but infographics from RSC Energia https://t.me/rian_ru/92752

Work on the NEM has been going on for a long time, it was planned to launch it in 2025 to the ISS, but since they decided to make a new station, the NEM will become the base module, that's what they say in Roscosmos

RSC Energia was tasked with ensuring the readiness of the first base module for the station in 2025.

The project to create a new Russian space station is at a high level of development.

The term is about the same end 2025 beginning 2026. You can watch the video with the assembly of the module at the link - https://t.me/roscosmos_gk/940

Which are also not yet available, probably even in the project

By the way, "Teleroid" was developed for NEM, now they are doing for the basic module

In February 2020, it was reported that the outline and technical design of this robotic complex was completed. The robot is scheduled to be sent into space in 2024.

[Knell wardenheart]

now doing for the basic module

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The robot is scheduled to be sent into space in 2024.

Somehow it doesn't fit well. It's still a robot and not a Cheops pyramid.
In general, this is a good word "already doing" - this is a very loose concept. The orbital station is also "already being done" and our Lunar program is "already being done" and a lot of other things - there were shots of some kind of spacers for the Nuclon and it can be said that Nuclon is already being done. And "Federation" is almost already, and this module "Science" has been "done" since the late 90s. I think that, if desired, in the promises of the HORN, you can find outlines of our expansion to Alpha Centauri. But I like your confident tone)

[Ilya098]

The robot is scheduled to be sent into space in 2024.

This is already outdated information of 2020, then it was reported that they had completed one of the development stages. After NEM became the base module, the teleroid also changed its registration and launch date to 2025+, respectively.

It's still a robot and not a Cheops pyramid.

A teleroid will not fly without a base module, its development may be completed long before the completion of the creation of the base module (2025), and it will simply wait in assembled form to be installed on the BM and launch. It's like with the ERA manipulator, made a long time ago, but without MLM "Science" it is on earth.

"already doing" is a very loose concept

People are working on a project - it means the project is "done", not working - "not done". In this case, the contract is only for BM, for the rest of the modules there is not yet. Although the overall appearance of the station has already been determined.

it can be stated that "Nuclon" "is already being done

Well, as if there is a contract for it, the terms have been determined, a lot of work is already behind us. Why not "done"?

The lunar program is "already being done"

In October, the launch of "Luna-25", the IKI RAS is developing instruments for the next missions;

"Science" since the late 90s everything is "done"

It has been done for six months at Baikonur.

But I like your confident tone)

In recent years, a lot of literate young people have come to the industry, such projects are just the thing for them.

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Quote: Ilya098

It has been done for six months at Baikonur.

I will add, already in the thermal vacuum chamber:

[KCA]

A robot is not necessarily a walking terminator, there are industrial robots, for example, any CNC machine is a robot, but they are divided into controlled and autonomous, some kind of autoclave for growing crystals with automatic loading of raw materials, growing and unloading a product - an ideal robot for an orbital station

[lis-ik]

With such a skillful squandering of everything and everyone. the ruling elite, who knows what will happen to the country by 2030, what can we say about the station!

[Oleg83]

According to preliminary data, the new station will not be permanently inhabited; it is planned to make it "visited" once or twice a year.

A big minus, compared to the ISS, this is a step back
And all because of politics, if the whole world united in common efforts and projects, perhaps they would have already flown to Mars

[Basarev]

That is, the fully inhabited station was never mastered, of course.

[Vadim237]

A fully inhabited station will cost significantly more in maintenance, but if any unique materials are produced on it, then in the future it will be made habitable.

[Basarev]

In general, space is primarily a matter of national prestige. This means that the high cost fades into the background. Ideally, space in general should be outside the categories of profit, because it is a region of science, that is, it is not about money at all. Science should seek knowledge, not investors. That is, ideally, all-all science should be fully supported by the state, so that the scientist thinks about solving a scientific problem, and not about how to feed himself. The state should allocate as much as they say - and not demand anything, because the most fruitful is a free search.

[well]

Quote: Thrifty

I propose to name the new station in honor of Putin - then it will be ready in space at most, in one year

Better in honor of Rogozin and then the station will fly to the moon :)

[Bykov.]

The main thing is that at this station, there was never anything arrogant stars and stripes.

[xorek]

For a long time it was necessary to kick these cunning Amers and build their own station, but it is expensive, but I think it would pay off a hundredfold .. And then Russia was used as taxi drivers and very cheap .. And ours were there as guests. And at our station we will turn around, read memoirs, all sorts of interesting devices can be placed there and research can be carried out without peeping, etc. Well, God forbid!
Now the libers will start whining, but why, but it's better ..)))) We'd rather cooperate with the Chinese than with these naglo-Saxons .. We will launch the Iranian cosmonaut to our station ..)))) Well, now I’ll have a khan, I ran into the trench to hide ..

[Old26]

Without touching the prices for the withdrawal, I propose to consider the reality of what you are offering

Quote: Achilles

I hope that the new orbital station will be called Mir-2. In the future, an orbital complex will appear on its basis, from which launches to the Moon and Mars will be possible.

As for the name of the station, I think that it will hardly be called by the same name (albeit with an alphanumeric index). In fact, the ISS was a variant of the station, made on the basis of developments for Mir-2 and Freedom. Rather, they will call it something else, for example, "Rus"

Quote: Achilles

If the construction of a new DOS (long-term orbital station) is carried out only by means of rockets such as the Proton (cargo mass = 22 tons), then 20 launches will cost the Russian treasury $ 1,5-2 billion.

The whole question is, will the Proton launch vehicle be operated by the time we plan a new station ??? And if Proton will not be used, then on the basis of what carrier?

Quote: Achilles

If Energia does the same (cargo mass = 98 tons, 4-5 launches), then the amount will be the same, approximately $ 1,4-1,7 billion.

This will not be done by Energia. Simply due to the fact that the "Energy" carrier does not exist now. And who should do it? Then "Energia" was made by the whole Soviet Union, but now ??? Isn't it easier to make a new super heavy one ??

Quote: Achilles

When using MAKS, a multipurpose aerospace system (cargo mass = 30 tons), the same 20 launches will cost $ 100-150 million. True, the creation of MAKS will cost about $ 2 billion.

MAKS was designed for a payload of 5-8 tons, but no more. If we take into account your load of 30 tons, then the shuttle should have dimensions close to the "Buran". And its take-off weight was 105 tons of EMNIP. Plus a tank with fuel, How many hundreds of tons should this aircraft have a carrying capacity ????

Quote: Achilles

What will Roscosmos choose?

Most likely NOTHING from what you have proposed

[slipped]

Quote: Old26

Korea they will call it something else, for example, "Rus"

At the moment, her name is ROSS. Which is generally comparable to your idea.

Quote: Old26

The whole question is, will the Proton LV be operated by the time we plan a new station ???

"Proton-M" will display only NEM.

Quote: Old26

And if Proton will not be used, then on the basis of what carrier?

The rest of the modules are already with the help of "Angara-A5" and "Soyuz-2" from "Vostochny".

By the way, from the latest news - MLM-U Nauka "will remain on the ISS. This is due to the impossibility of delivering it to such a high latitude where ROSS will fly.

[Vadim237]

In this case, it will be simpler to leave Science on Earth and put into orbit in 2025, when most of the components of the new station are ready for launch - what's the point of sending it to the ISS for 5 years - the ISS is already crumbling.

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Quote: Vadim237

In this case, it will be simpler to leave Science on Earth and put into orbit in 2025, when most of the components of the new station are ready for launch - what's the point of sending it to the ISS for 5 years - the ISS is already crumbling.

MLM-U "Nauka" will have to be launched and docked to the ISS due to the fact that it will be possible to work on it for just five years. And this is quite a long time. Let me remind you that the same MIR station was originally planned for FIVE years. An extensive research program is planned at MLM-U, including a nuclear tug.

In addition, they are not going to sink the ISS in 2025, without a joint decision on this. And there is a high probability that the ISS RS will continue to operate for some time, but already in the visited mode. How this will be implemented will still be decided.

[slipped]

It was decided to send NEM to the Angara too.

[Sistemnik]

Quote: Basarev

In general, space is primarily a matter of national prestige. This means that the high cost fades into the background. Ideally, space in general should be outside the categories of profit, because it is a region of science, that is, it is not about money at all. Science should seek knowledge, not investors. That is, ideally, all-all science should be fully supported by the state, so that the scientist thinks about solving a scientific problem, and not about how to feed himself. The state should allocate as much as they say - and not demand anything, because the most fruitful is a free search.

The lament of a bum "from science." You have to work, not whine.

[Old26]

Quote: slipped

It was decided to send NEM to the Angara too.

You once wrote that the operation of the Proton will be limited to either 23, or 24 years, and all the machines have already been scheduled. Has anything changed with the service life?