Aliyev spoke about Russia's response to the question about the fragments of the Iskander-M missile discovered in Karabakh

The President of Azerbaijan has disclosed information about who specifically he was interested in the appearance of the Iskander-M OTRK missile. Recall that at the opening of a trophy equipment park in Baku, Ilham Aliyev, posing in front of television cameras against the background of a stand with fragments of a rocket and the inscription "Iskander-M", asked the question "where did Armenia get the missiles that it should not have?" Aliyev then stated that the Armenian side used these missiles to strike at Shusha when the Azerbaijani troops attacked the city during the war in Karabakh.

As it turned out, Aliyev sent a letter with a relevant question to the Russian Ministry of Defense, and also discussed this topic with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Aliyev made the corresponding statement in an interview with Azerbaijani TV.

He pointed out that "he must tell the people of Azerbaijan about how everything was and how it is."

The Azerbaijani president spoke about Russia's response:

This is a very serious question. It is not easy. Therefore, there should not be any secrets. The Russian response indicated that no such ballistic missile launches had been recorded.

According to Aliyev, it is still impossible to deny this launch, since the newly opened fleet of captured equipment contains fragments of such a rocket (Iskander-M complex).

The President of Azerbaijan said on the air that he expresses the hope that "the situation will clear up after all."

According to Aliyev, when the same question was asked to Yerevan, they simply kept silent there. At the same time, the leader of Azerbaijan claims that Baku has "all the data on when, who and from where launched the Iskander-M missile."

Aliev:

We are waiting for an answer to the question whether these missiles were transferred to Armenia or illegally removed from the territory of the Russian Federation.

It should be reminded that earlier the Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan announced the use of Iskander missiles, which "either did not explode or worked by 10%." After a while, Pashinyan said that he had been misinformed, in fact repeating the thesis of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

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[rocket757]

The question is being raised persistently!
Our Defense Ministry said that all the Iskanders were in place, that they had not been used ....
The question is, who gives inaccurate information ???

[NDR-791]

asked the question, "where did Armenia get the missiles that it shouldn't have?"
All sides knew about these missiles because the Armenians threatened to hit the gas pipeline with them. Why Aliyev did not know, science does not know.
And in general, everything is somehow contradictory:
Baku has “all the data on when, who and from where launched the Iskander-M OTRK missile.
Now, if you have all the data, why are you asking?
And so, rather than asking any snowstorm, tell me who shot down our helicopter.

[Old tanker]

It was he who followed the path of Western partners. Mrl we "have all the data", but we will not tell about them, since they are secret. This one has not yet answered for our helicopter, but pours bubbles in the direction of Russia.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Old Tankman

since they are secret.

There is no secret. They just don't want to admit it yet.

2016 Armenia received a division of operational-tactical complexes (OTRK) "Iskander-M" with missiles 9M723

Kommersant newspaper correspondent Ivan Safronov reported in the material published in this edition about the supply of missile systems to the Armenian armed forces by Iskander-M: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3736762

De jure, this violates the agreement on the proliferation of missile technologies, since the range of these missiles' destruction exceeds 300 km, a Kommersant source in the military-technical cooperation sphere admits. Moscow was forced to take such a step: Armenia urgently needed OTRK to maintain military parity with Azerbaijan, which has a much larger arsenal of offensive weapons. The creation of an export modification of the Iskander-E, which does not fall under the restrictions, required time, which was not available in the event of Baku's decision to attack the Armenian positions in Nagorno-Karabakh. "
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4292746.html

[Piramidon]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Kommersant newspaper correspondent Ivan Safronov reported in the material published in this edition about the supply of missile systems to the Armenian armed forces by Iskander-M: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3736762

Unproven tryndezh. Kommersant is still a distributor of fakes. And this Ivan Safronov cites as a source in general, hell knows who:

as told source of "b" in the field of military-technical cooperation, in 2016, Armenia received a division of operational-tactical complexes (OTRK) "Iskander-M" with missiles 9M723

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

De jure, this violates the treaty on the proliferation of missile technologies, since the range of target destruction of these missiles exceeds 300 km,

De jure, drones also fall under the MTCR restrictions. Light may not be everything, but medium and heavy are practically without options. It was not for nothing that Trump signed a separate decree allowing American companies to sell those same drones, bypassing the contract. Like yes, they fall under the contract, but I decided that we do not care about contracts.
It would be less for Azerbaijanis to talk about treaties and other things. Otherwise, both Turkey, which has outlawed drones, turns out to be, and Azerbaijan who bought them. So ... Make less noise. And if Russia applies the American experience, you can ask for a lot of things. On your head.

[Bakinec]

With what fright Azerbaijan bought Turkish drones outside the law. What a law it is. Every day the intellectual level of commentators is approaching the baseboard. And what will Russia use? Attacks with Baku calibers? Turn a friendly country into an enemy? And all because of what? For dancing with Armenia, who is waiting for the moment to jump into the arms of the West? And then such pseudo-patriots as you will clap your ears and wonder why everyone around us does not like it.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Bakinec

With what fright Azerbaijan bought Turkish drones outside the law.

With such that the MTCR treaty also affects drones. And it contains formulas for calculating the weight of the ammunition and the range. And if light drones can still pass by this agreement, then average ones, with a flight time of 12+ hours, fall under it for sure. And what is typical, Turkey signed this agreement. So she just doesn't blather. Because she doesn't even have a stigma in her down, but the whole, entirely, from nose to tail.
But Azerbaijan did not sign. That is, he, by and large, does not care whether Armenia, or Mongolia, has Iskander, they do not, and if so, what kind. For it, in principle, does not concern what and to whom the countries that signed the agreement are selling. So let him sign, under the agreements, then he will get the right to ask where, what and who has appeared. True, then there will be questions to him about Turkish drones. So ... Summing up what has been said, Aliyev can ask questions, but get answers to them ... To put it mildly, he did not come out face-to-face.

[Bakinec]

Not Turkey, not Azerbaijan, not any other country has no restrictions on the purchase and sale of drones such as Bayrakdar. No need to write nonsense. And Iskander falls under the ban on the proliferation of missile weapons. Why is it that some commentators think that by writing the more words the smarter they look?

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Bakinec

Not Turkey, not Azerbaijan, not any other country has no restrictions on the purchase and sale of drones such as Bayrakdar. No need to write nonsense. And Iskander falls under the ban on the proliferation of missile weapons.

Laponka, your opinion is certainly interesting, but Russia does not care. Like Aliyev's opinion, it has nothing to do with the MTCR treaty. That is why he can ask his questions even until the 22nd century. From the point of view of prohibitions / permits to distribute rocket technologies, he is no one and can not be called. First, the signature on the contract, then the right to ask questions.

Quote: Bakinec

Why is it that some commentators think that by writing the more words

Because the elimination of your legal illiteracy. Consider charity. Knowledge and free. The legal advisory office would have already billed you.
PS
By the way, the contract also applies to your alterations from corn farms. In accordance with the agreement, the firms that supplied the equipment for this can be called to account. If, of course, they are from the signatory countries. So .... Aliyev would be better off keeping quiet. If he nevertheless asks for a showdown, the Turks will stick so tightly that Pan Erdogan Aliyev will be satisfied with a strong ata-ta. Popabol will be provided with a guarantee.
That's all. The educational program is over. Then study the topic yourself. Yeah.

[Bakinec]

Again, a set of meaningless ideas.
Although I am glad that you unhooked yourself from the stupid idea that Turkey has no right to sell drones and buy Azerbaijan. Progress on the face.

[Vlad.by]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: Old Tankman

since they are secret.

There is no secret. They just don't want to admit it yet.

2016 Armenia received a division of operational-tactical complexes (OTRK) "Iskander-M" with missiles 9M723

Kommersant newspaper correspondent Ivan Safronov reported in the material published in this edition about the supply of missile systems to the Armenian armed forces by Iskander-M: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3736762

De jure, this violates the agreement on the proliferation of missile technologies, since the range of these missiles' destruction exceeds 300 km, a Kommersant source in the military-technical cooperation sphere admits. Moscow was forced to take such a step: Armenia urgently needed OTRK to maintain military parity with Azerbaijan, which has a much larger arsenal of offensive weapons. The creation of an export modification of the Iskander-E, which does not fall under the restrictions, required time, which was not available in the event of Baku's decision to attack the Armenian positions in Nagorno-Karabakh. "
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4292746.html

And there the missiles were with truncated performance characteristics.
Let them prove the opposite.
And in general ... against the background of arms supplies to terrorists in Chechnya and Syria - I am not me, and the cow is not mine.

[rocket757]

Could have substituted, specifically ... is this the first time? Bribed a group of persons "responsible" for intelligence, expert information! They were "slightly mistaken" and voila, from the Armenian side came not what they have, quite officially, but what they could not have !!! How could they stir up !!! The goal is clear, to embroil the leaders of states, who cooperated quite constructively before the village !!!
Shaw few people wanting to stir up just this ??? They have no money for such a thing, or what!
Very similar to the BASE !!!

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: rocket757

They have no money for such a thing, or what!
Very similar to the BASE !!!

what a setup is unambiguous! As Pashinyan started talking about the Iskander, a major scandal began and he was immediately summoned to the Kremlin !!! It seems to me that Armenia fired without the knowledge of Russia. And Russia now wants to somehow gloss over this issue, but Aliyev is stubborn, to see the conditions there are some on the part of Aliyev ..... I do not know, time will tell.

[rocket757]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

I don’t know time will tell.

As our officials said, "according to our information, all the missiles are at storage sites" ... the question is, who provided them with such information ??? who SUBMITTED?

[Alex777]

Aliyev does not have 2 points:
1) for 4 months the Azerbaijanis were silent, because the debris was found only during the clearance of the territory,
2) that Baku has “all the data, when, who and from where launched rocket OTRK Iskander-M.
When they receive "all the data" on missile launches in 4 months, it is immediately clear whose ears are visible ...

[rocket757]

They'll figure it out .... not a great universal secret.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: rocket757

They have no money for such a thing, or what!
Very similar to the BASE !!!

what a setup is unambiguous! As Pashinyan started talking about the Iskander, a major scandal began and he was immediately summoned to the Kremlin !!! It seems to me that Armenia fired without the knowledge of Russia. And Russia now wants to somehow gloss over this issue, but Aliyev is stubborn, to see the conditions there are some on the part of Aliyev ..... I do not know, time will tell.

Why then, during this scandal, Aliyev mocked Pashinyan and said that there was no shelling by Iskander? Ilham called it an anecdote and claimed that they "did not see" these launches ... And then suddenly he saw the light?
Right here -
https://newsru-com.turbopages.org/newsru.com/s/world/26Feb2021/aliev.html

[Bakinec]

Exactly what he said was "not seen." He didn’t say that it wasn’t. So everything is clean. Then, after the snow melted, they found the wreckage. Where is the discrepancy here?

[Nyrobsky]

Then, before the press conference on February 26, they did not see it, but by the middle of April they only considered it? Have you recruited Estonians in the air defense? In principle, I indicated the source, you can familiarize yourself with it. At the same time, give your source, I also read.
P / S- Həqiqət xoşagəlməz ola bilər, amma həqiqət olaraq qalır

[Bakinec]

In February there was snow, in April it melted and wreckage was found. What is such a conspiracy detective story you saw here?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Bakinec

In February there was snow, in April it melted and wreckage was found.

Interestingly, your air defense works!

[Bakinec]

The air defense may not have noticed, it may not have distinguished, it may have distinguished it, but without solid evidence (which was found after the snow melted, why you are for some reason extremely surprised) preferred not to spread. Anything can be. It may also be that in exchange for not disseminating information about the modification of the Iskander-M, Azerbaijan expected reciprocal steps from Russia (for example, the withdrawal and disarmament of all Armenian troops from the territories controlled by the peacekeepers). Russia did not do this and Azerbaijan started promoting the "M" theme. Anything can be. But I wonder why the VO commentators are so unhappy. By the fact that Azerbaijan raises the issue of the "M" modification and puts Russia in an awkward position, or because, as they believe, Azerbaijan has brought these debris allegedly from Syria and for some reason is blackmailing Russia?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Bakinec

But I wonder why the VO commentators are so unhappy. By the fact that Azerbaijan raises the issue of the "M" modification and puts Russia in an awkward position, or because, as they believe, Azerbaijan has brought these debris allegedly from Syria and for some reason is blackmailing Russia?

Commentators are unhappy with the fact that Baku has not yet given an intelligible answer as to who and why shot down the Russian helicopter. The fact that Ankara planted the wreckage of Iskander from Syria is quite a working version.

[Bakinec]

The fact that the Russian Defense Ministry is silent about the helicopter means that an intelligible answer has been received and there are no problems. Azerbaijan will not answer each VO commentator personally.
And the tales of the wreckage from Syria may be a working version only for specialists with brains the size of a walnut. Does anyone really think that Azerbaijan would raise such a question before a superpower, not being sure of its words, and Russia would be timidly silent, knowing that the wreckage is from Syria.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Bakinec

The air defense may not have noticed, maybe not distinguished, maybe it did, but without hard evidence (which was found in after the snow melted, why you are for some reason extremely surprised) preferred not to spread. Anything can be.

The war began on September 27, and ended on November 10 - what's the snow in the bathhouse? Are you for Karabakh, or were you at war with Armenians for the Arctic? Here is a photo from the snow-covered streets of Baku on November 8, about the capture of Shushi

Have you been looking for the wreckage for a long time? You might think that the Armenians were stuck with Iskander in remote mountain ranges, without the goal of solving any tactical problem, like playing hide and seek.

Quote: Bakinec

And the tales of the wreckage from Syria may be a working version only for specialists with brains the size of a walnut.

There is some truth in any fairy tale. The silence of Baku is probably due to the fact that not Azerbaijanis were involved in the defeat of the helicopter, but -1) Turkish allies, 2) bearded "pioneers" brought by the Turks from the province of Idlib. It is not comme il faut for Azerbaijan to expose at least those, though others, given that earlier he had rejected their presence. If Iskander was used for the barmaley in Idlib, then the Turks have no difficulties in order to technically search for fragments in the controlled territory and ensure their delivery to Baku, all the more so since the reptile-headed Pashinyan himself gave a reason to roll out the ball. Be that as it may, neither you nor I will find out the whole truth, except for a narrow circle of faces on both sides.

[Bakinec]

Dear, in the period from September 27 to November 10, the Azerbaijani army did not scour Karabakh in search of Iskander, but fought. From the end of November to the present day, restoration work has been going on in the city of Shusha, cleaning the territories from mines. It was during such works that the wreckage was found. One of the reasons why they found it so late was snow. I will probably surprise you if I say that starting from November, it can snow not only in the Arctic but also in the mountainous regions of Azerbaijan. And I understand that the majority of commentators are convinced that when exploding, there is no analogue Iskander creating an analogue crater that can be seen from space. But excuse me, probably our specialists do not reach the category of no analogs, so they could not quickly find these wreckages.
As for the helicopter, I will express a more realistic version than tales about some mythical barmaley, Turkish proxies, nija turtles, aliens, etc. The helicopter was sent without warning from the Azerbaijani side to the front line (which at that time was the border of Azerbaijan and Armenia) or Armenian Servants of 102 bases or Russian generals Amryanophiles who went out of their way to drag Russia into the war on the side of Armenia.
As for the wreckage of the Iskander, I repeat once again that it is absolutely stupid to assert that Azerbaijan dragged the wreckage from Syria to blame Russia. I wrote the reason in the last comment.

[Nyrobsky]

Each has its own truth, and you have not convinced me, so we will wait for comments from sources close to the government and the Ministry of Defense from the two countries. As for your submission of the "Armenophiles", then it is past the gates, since this hack is not at all in the interests of Russia. any aggravation on its borders does not meet its interests. Russia even without a war offered Yerevan to move in the disputed regions of Karabakh, which they appropriated after the armistice was concluded in the 90s, but the Armenians did not hear, and therefore lost more than they could. At least they could have left Shusha for themselves, but as the saying goes, "a miser pays twice." Personally, my position in this war, neutrality, I was not for the Armenians and not for the Azerbaijanis and believed that it was necessary to negotiate. It was not possible to come to an agreement, as a result of which, in the 40 days of the war, losses from both sides in aggregate did not quite reach the losses in 10 years of the Afghan war. they lost both people and territory, which cannot be said about Baku, which lost people but regained control over the disputed areas. As for the current moment of our conversation, you are trying to impose an absolutely unique point of view indicating the guilt of Russia, and I admit other options that you reject a priori, and therefore further dialogue loses all meaning, because everyone will remain unconvinced. However, in conclusion, I would like to ask a few questions - Why is the use of Israeli kamikaze drones and Turkish Bayraktars against Armenians considered acceptable, and the use of Iskander by Armenians is NOT, if both Bayraktar and Iskander were officially acquired for protection during hostilities against each other? How did such a number of Bayraktar and trained operators end up on the territory of Azerbaijan in August, if the issue of purchasing Bayraktar was announced in Baku only in the twentieth of July? Maybe they were left after the joint Turkish-Azerbaijani exercises, which were held a couple of months before these events? And if so, who was the instigator and provocateur of the military clash? You see how many "muddy questions" there are (this is only a small part), and you keep talking about your "snow-white and fluffy". Today there is no white or black, because there will be a lot of gray between them, someone Turkish, someone American, but in both cases, to the detriment of themselves and their interests. Let's finish for this, it was nice to talk to.
P / S -Döymə özgə qapısını, döyərlər sənin qapını.

[Bakinec]

The question is not why the Armenians used Iskander, the question is how it happened that Armenia officially received Iskander E, but fired from Iskander M. Why were Armenia provided with 500 km missiles that they could hit Baku from the territory of Armenia and, having caused a retaliatory strike, they automatically involved would Russia go to war?
The fact that the purchase of bayraktars was announced in July does not mean anything. Baku and earlier could receive them and operators could undergo training even a year earlier.
The originator is naturally Armenia. Because lately they began to issue such theses as "Karabakh is Armenia and the point", "New war is new territories", "We will not give up an inch of land", and so on. By doing this, they crossed out the entire peace process. There was a reason for Azerbaijan to start a war.
P.S. This proverb is for the Armenians. Because in the 90s they knocked on our door. And now we got an answer.

[Nyrobsky]

Come on, (I don't know what to call you to dignify) time will judge. What could have happened has already taken place and our conversation will not change anything. Let's finish for this. Goodnight

[Bakinec]

Goodnight.

[atalef]

Quote: NDR-791

Now, if you have all the data, why are you asking?

very simple to get a clear answer.

Quote: NDR-791

And so, rather than asking any snowstorm, tell me who shot down our helicopter.

cutlets separately flies separately. As for the helicopter, as I understand it, Russia does not ask questions, or at least is satisfied with the answer, the situation with the Iskander is completely different.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: atalef

Russia does not ask questions, or at least is satisfied with the answer

Given to me it was a provocation! The noise from the downed plane by Turkey was very loud and with the helicopter there was no sound, no noise. Very strange.

Quote: atalef

As for the Iskander, the situation is completely different.

If the Armenian side fired Iskander-M (as Aliyev said, Armenia should not have had this missile), the world community and Azerbaijan will have a big headache.

If it turns out that the rocket is an export version, then again there will be a lot of headaches. Armenia is shouting everywhere that they allegedly did not participate in the war, 100K of the population of Karabakh fought with Azerbaijan.

They got lied to the most ......................

[Bakinec]

Aliyev asks where Armenia got the missile of modification "M". Don't pretend to be a hose. And about the helicopter, you probably overslept. Azerbaijan admitted that it shot down a helicopter.

[NDR-791]

Yes, I seem to have overslept not only that, but also the trial and the term?

[Bakinec]

When there will be a trial and a term for those who gave the prohibited missiles to Armenia, then there will be a trial and a term for those who shot down the helicopter. Maybe it won't. Because the helicopter flew without pre-warning near the border and during the war.

[gurzuf]

Which side of the border was he flying from?

[Bakinec]

From the side of Armenia, which at that time was in a state of war with Azerbaijan. At such a time, it was an obvious provocation to send a helicopter at night without warning to the Azerbaijani side, at a low altitude to the border, knowing that a war was going on and soldiers from both sides were waiting for the moment to shoot at each other. This provocation was arranged by Armenia or some circles in Russia to involve Russia in the conflict and stop Azerbaijan.

[smart ass]

Court, deadline, compensation ?!

[Thrifty]

Baku resident, and how did your Azerbaijan punish those who shot down the helicopter? Why didn't you pay compensation to the families of the victims, where are the official apologies? You are right - your elkhamchik does not need to pretend to be a hose, the topic of the helicopter is not closed for us, Russians, and Iskander M this version of the complex cannot leave Russia. Your Aliyev either gives out deliberately false information, or he himself is being led by the nose, slipping some fragments of a rocket under the guise of a completely different complex.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Thrifty

Baku resident, and how did your Azerbaijan punish those who shot down the helicopter?

You know what I can't understand. Why was this topic discussed in the first days ....... and then the sides of Azerbaijan and the Russian side calmed down ........ ??? Why do they write that the Russian side paid for the families of the pilots. I do not believe that Azerbaijan can just spit on the Russian side. It hurts for such things. Strange isn't it?

[Bakinec]

Well, another one woke up. Alo, there has already been an official apology. And where did the info come from that they did not pay compensation. Give a link to the outraged relatives of the deceased pilots.

[Thrifty]

Baku resident - to start a screen of a letter of apology sent to the relatives of the dead pilots, the account number in Russia to which you transferred the money, compensation! Give a link in Russian to the reports on the sending of documents with apologies, on the transfer of money!

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Thrifty

Give a link in Russian to the reports on the sending of documents with apologies, on the transfer of money!

And you dear will also be able to provide information about which smart comrade sends a combat helicopter during the war on a route that has not been used before, also the combat helicopter deviates from the course towards the border, at night without identification signs and warning at low altitudes, when the convoy and the Azerbaijani side is not visible in any way, since there is a MOUNTAIN and from whom did they keep the convoy from Azerbaijan? Turkey? With which relations are better than with Armenia? Not in any practice there is no such thing, it looks more like a provocation to drag Russia into this war! Otherwise, it would be possible for Azerbaijan to arrange Kuzka's mother in no time. Didn't you think about it?

[Bakinec]

Sorry, but it's not me who say that you paid, but you claim that you did NOT pay. So it's up to you to prove it, not me. As for the apology, google it. On the same day when the helicopter was shot down, the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry made an official apology. And yet, if there were problems with the relatives of the pilots, then at least one message would have flashed on social networks that they say such a relative is dissatisfied with something. But there’s silence. So there are no normally dissatisfied ones. But if you still disagree and it hurts you more than the relatives of the pilots, then go on a hunger strike in front of the Russian Ministry of Defense and demand an answer - why Russia did not launch a nuclear strike on Azerbaijan.

[Israel]

Neither, Russia showed weakness - it was necessary to launch a missile strike on a couple of bases and then demand an apology. I understand strong anti-Israeli sentiments here, but Israel would have responded very harshly for such an incident.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: NDR-791

Baku has “all the data on when, who and from where launched the Iskander-M OTRK missile.
Now, if you have all the data, why are you asking?

Another thing is interesting to me, if there was a launch, then why the rocket did not "work properly"? And if there was no launch, then it would be nice for our Defense Ministry to study the wreckage and give its opinion on what kind of wreckage it is and where it came from.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And if there was no launch, then it would be nice for our Defense Ministry to study the wreckage and give its opinion on what kind of wreckage it is and where it came from.

In reality, this is how it should be. I just ask the question exclusively to myself .... the president of some kind of dwarf country, rushing with accusations and not a small nuclear power and the country with which it has good and warm relations, but everyone is silent .......

[Tavi]

Was Iskander-M launched by the Russian Federation in Syria? could have rammed the debris of the rocket from there too ..

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: NDR-791

All sides knew about these missiles because the Armenians threatened to hit the gas pipeline with them. Why Aliyev did not know, science does not know.

Turkish avaks flew on the border of Turkey with Armenia during the war + there are also military satellites. Since Aliyev is asking the question so persistently, they have the answers. He says one thing and Russia recognizes another.

Quote: NDR-791

And so, rather than asking any snowstorm, tell me who shot down our helicopter.

And can you tell us what during the war does a Russian military helicopter on the border of two warring countries without warning and flies at night at low altitudes? And why did Mr Putin pay the families of the pilots?

[lelik613]

The helicopter flew from one Russian military unit to another, accompanying a convoy with Russian servicemen. There is only a downed helicopter, dead pilots and Azerbaijan's guilt through clenched teeth. The rest is for clarification. I'm not worried about what the families of the pilots got paid. Why weren't all those involved from three sides treated like Haman, the son of Agag? This is the question.

[rocket757]

Yulit, wants to cover his sirloin ... on missiles, used / not used, do not care. Armenia had them, everything was official. Who KILLED ours, ANSWER !!!

[Bakinec]

Yours was killed by the one who sent the helicopter to fly over the front line (which was the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia, which were at war) at night without warning the Azerbaijani side.

[rocket757]

Sending, probably not worth it ... that's just a truce, by that time it had already been announced.
IT IS NECESSARY TO CARRY OUT AN OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS ... we decided quietly, the option is bad, there are too many opportunities to invent anything.

[Bakinec]

No, the ceasefire in a strange way took place precisely after the incident with the helicopter

[rocket757]

Therefore, the investigation is needed, so that everything would be in minutes, in seconds, who gave what order, when, why did they fly, why did they shoot, WHY ???
Only in this way, we do not need an apology, but the truth!
It happens, a tragic coincidence.
There is criminal negligence.
There is a real criminal intent !!!
When everything becomes clear, many people will calm down, realize that any case, conflict, crime has a really responsible, criminal name!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: NDR-791

All sides knew about these missiles because the Armenians threatened to hit the gas pipeline with them. Why Aliyev did not know, science does not know.

As far as I understand, the spears break due to the modification of the rocket.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: NDR-791

asked the question, "where did Armenia get the missiles that it shouldn't have?"
All sides knew about these missiles because the Armenians threatened to hit the gas pipeline with them. Why Aliyev did not know, science does not know.
And in general, everything is somehow contradictory:
Baku has “all the data on when, who and from where launched the Iskander-M OTRK missile.
Now, if you have all the data, why are you asking?
And so, rather than asking any snowstorm, tell me who shot down our helicopter.

And you probably were told about the Armenians who shot down a helicopter with 1992 Russian generals and a Russian crew in 4? Did the Armenian militants seem to have deliberately shot down, and not by mistake and did not even recognize? What do you remember here, but don't remember there? Amnesia selective overtook?

[Ivan Feofanov]

My purely personal is the next, jointly planned, provocation of Turkey and Azerbaijan. And the wreckage itself during this time, from the moment of the cessation of hostilities and until, as it were, the discovery of these wreckage, the Turks could calmly find and deliver from Syria. and it was done. Since at the time of the military conflict, neither our, nor the Turkish, nor any other air defense systems located in the immediate vicinity of the conflict zone, did not record a single launch of Iskander-M missile systems and similar systems. Which in the opposite situation simply cannot be ...

[Professor]

Quote: rocket757

The question is, who gives inaccurate information ???

Is this really a question for you? There are parts of the missiles with serial numbers and it is not difficult to find out their fate. For those who really want to know the truth.

PS
A similar situation occurred in Lebanon in 2006, when the Kornet ATGM was discovered there. Israel asked the same question as Aliyev. There was the same mumble in response. Subsequently, Hezbollah publicly thanked the Russian Federation for the supply of missiles ...

[Cottodraton]

And mumble ka, mister, about where did the Syrian militants get cars, communications and equipment of Israeli production from time to time emerging?
And why are they huddling at your borders and you don't bomb from them?
Hypocritical you are ours

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: professor

Subsequently, Hezbollah publicly thanked the Russian Federation for the supply of missiles ...

in the case of Karabakh it will not work. Firstly, this is a prohibited weapon (Version M) And secondly, how will Armenia evade the question, you didn’t seem to be at war with Azerbaijan? Along the way, high-profile trials and sanctions will begin.

[alexmach]

Firstly, this is a prohibited weapon (Version M)

Yes, this is not a prohibited weapon. The sale of missiles with a range of more than 300 km is prohibited; there is no way to judge the range from the wreckage of the warhead.

[Bykov.]

Quote: professor

... In response, there was the same mumbled. Subsequently, Hezbollah publicly thanked the Russian Federation for the supply of missiles ...

Yeah, new Jewish fairy tales.

[Professor]

Quote: Bulls.

Quote: professor

... In response, there was the same mumbled. Subsequently, Hezbollah publicly thanked the Russian Federation for the supply of missiles ...

Yeah, new Jewish fairy tales.

https://vpk.name/news/52950_byivshii_livanskii_ministr_hizballa_poluchila_rossiiskie_kornetyi_iz_sirii.html#m91411
Former Lebanese Minister: Hezbollah Receives Russian Cornets From Syria

[Bykov.]

Quote: professor

Former Lebanese Minister: Hezbollah Receives Russian Cornets From Syria

Said the Minister of ECOLOGY ?! And what have Russia and the alleged supply of ATGMs from SYRIA to do with it ?! This is by chance not the same ATGMs, the launchers from which the IDF even captured, but did not show it to anyone? Yes, and judging by the defeats that the Israeli tanks suffered, then the maximum of what they worked on was the "Babies".

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Bulls.

This is by chance not the same ATGMs, the launchers from which the IDF even captured, but did not show it to anyone?

Accidentally YES, the very same ATGMs "Kornet" which were captured in Lebanon, SHOWED TO THE WORLD.
And he personally presented the accompanying documentation to Putin.
After the 2006 Lebanon War Israel presented Russia with evidence proving Kornet missiles sold to Syria hit Israeli tanks. The Russians denied all accusations.
Now Israel claimed the anti-tank missile, which hit the bus last week, was sold by the Russians to Syria. At the time, Syria passed the weapons to Hezbollah, while breaching its contract with Russia. They were then smuggled into the Gaza Strip and ended up in the hands of Hamas terrorists.

After the 2006 Lebanese war, Israel provided Russia with evidence that the Kornet missiles sold to Syria were targeting Israeli tanks. The Russians denied all charges.
Now Israel has stated that anti-tank missile that hit the SCHOOL bus , was sold by the Russians to Syria.

At the time, Syria transferred weapons to Hezbollah, in violation of its contract with Russia. Then they were taken to the Gaza Strip and ended up in the hands of Hamas terrorists.

WELL AND WHO IS THE STORYTELLER?

[Disant]

After the 2006 Lebanese war, Israel provided Russia with evidence that the Kornet missiles sold to Syria were targeting Israeli tanks. The Russians denied all charges.

and Russia could not sell cornets to Syria?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Disant

and Russia could not sell cornets to Syria?

Unlike may other means of warfare the manufacturing of the Kornet is only permitted inside Russia, so any Kornet missile sold outside the country originates from the country's KBP factory.
In the past, the United States government imposed sanctions on KBP after Israel proved missiles made in the factory were sold to Syria and eventually ended up in Hezbollah hands.

Unlike other means of warfare, the production of the Kornet is only allowed within Russia, so any Kornet missile sold outside the country is manufactured at the KBP plant (Tula Instrument Design Bureau).
In the past, the US government imposed sanctions on KBP after Israel proved that the missiles produced at the plant were sold to Syria and ended up in the hands of Hezbollah.
This is the official documentation, as well as the photos I posted above.
Syria received them officially but couldn’t pass it on to ANYONE

[alexmach]

Well, you and the Professor lied. If Russia supplied them to Syria, then it did not supply them to Hezbollah.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: alexmach

Well, you and the Professor lied... If Russia supplied them to Syria, then it did not supply them to Hezbollah.

1 Here's what he wrote:
Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Today, 08: 03
https://vpk.name/news/52950_byivshii_livanskii_ministr_hizballa_poluchila_rossiiskie_kornetyi_iz_sirii.html#m91411
Former Lebanese Minister: Hezbollah received Russian Cornets from Syria
You did not deign to read what the Russian site writes "MIC NEWS"
I'll give you.
Former Lebanese Minister of Environment Viam Wahhab told ANB TV, that the Hezbollah terrorist organization received modern weapons from Syria, including Russian-made ones.
AND NOW WHAT I WRITTEN.
In the past, the US government imposed sanctions on KBP after Israel proved that the missiles produced at the plant were were sold to Syria and ended up in the hands of Hezbollah.
You may not read in Russian or belong to the variety
EVERYTHING!

[alexmach]

A similar situation occurred in Lebanon in 2006, when the Kornet ATGM was discovered there. Israel asked the same question as Aliyev. There was the same mumble in response. Subsequently, Hezbollah publicly thanked the Russian Federation for the supply of missiles ...

I quote specifically the professorial lies. Lies and disgusting insult to Russia. Nobody mumbled anything. You have been given a clear and specific answer.

The Russians denied all charges.

And this is about your lie. Yes, they rejected it. For you have nothing to blame Russia for. Your accusations are false and unfounded. As well as the above analogy.

[alexmach]

You have been given a clear and specific answer.

PS: as by the way to Aliev on his vague question.

[Disant]

Accidentally YES, the very same ATGMs "Kornet" which were captured in Lebanon, SHOWED TO THE WORLD.
And he personally presented the accompanying documentation to Putin.

.

The Russians denied all charges.

my question was connected with these words, written by you above and highlighted by you in bold text, so that they would pay attention to them.
.
What were the Russians accused of then?
and who exactly "rejected" what is "irrevocable" - the supply of cornet is not prohibited

[aszzz888]

Vitaly Gusin (Vitaly Gusin)
Today, 09: 09 ... Israel now announced that the anti-tank missile that hit the SCHOOL bus was sold by the Russians to Syria.

The nighth episode from the cycle "White Helmets in Syria"

[Professor]

Quote: Bulls.

Quote: professor

Former Lebanese Minister: Hezbollah Receives Russian Cornets From Syria

Said the Minister of ECOLOGY ?! And at what Russia and the alleged PTRF deliveries stated that the end user agreement had not been violated and there were no Russian missiles in Lebanon.
Israel has demonstrated both missiles and boxes with inscriptions and PU.UR from SYRIA ?! These are by chance not the same ATGMs, the launchers from which the IDF even captured, but did not show it to anyone ?.

The Russian Federation stated that the end user agreement had not been violated and there were no Russian missiles in Lebanon.
Israel demonstrated both rockets and crates with inscriptions and launchers.

Quote: Bulls.

Yes, and judging by the defeats that the Israeli tanks suffered, then the maximum of what they worked on was the "Babies".

It's just that the tanks are successful, and so are the tankers.

[rocket757]

Quote: professor

This is really a question for you

EVERYONE is lying! Periodically or systemically, these are just options.
The rocket is a big thing and its "fate" can be traced according to documents.
Boom to look at the development of events.

[aszzz888]

Assor (Oleg Sokolov)
Today, 06: 53
...Israel asked the same question as Aliyev. There was the same mumble in response. Subsequently, Hezbollah publicly thanked the Russian Federation for the supply of missiles ...

there is a great quote, about the queue, I recommend!

Mikhail Bulgakov - Heart of a Dog.

, "hypocritical you are NOT ours"

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: rocket757

The question is being raised persistently!

1. Azerbaijan - in comparison with Russia, a dwarf country in all respects. 2. To push steadily in the face of Russia, it is necessary to be responsible for this. 3. It is unambiguous that with this issue not everything is so clean, because 4. In the case of a false accusation of Russia, even the troops do not need to be brought in to calm Azerbaijan, economic maneuvers alone are more than enough. Aliyev is from the Moscow School of Diplomats, and he knows perfectly well with whom and how to communicate.

If it turns out that Russia has handed over a banned weapon (Iskander-M), it will not be very beautiful in front of (as they say in the Kremlin) a strategic partner with whom there is a very warm relationship. For this, Russia and the lying Armenia can be sued, which trumpets everywhere that it did not participate in the war. If it turns out that it really was not transferred (officially) but smuggled, it will severely damage the reputation of Russia. In both cases, trials await Armenia, it is not just that Aliyev drags the entire world community to Karabakh, every day.

If it turns out that Armenia used it, then Azerbaijan has every chance to add this to the general court case (at best)

[rocket757]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

If it turns out that Russia has transferred prohibited weapons (Iskander-M)

Why forbidden, by whom forbidden, when forbidden ???
Armenia had Iskander, an export version, bought quite officially.
Purely from the history of events occurring / recurring ..... substitute a high leading person EASY! When it does not understand, does not want to understand that there may be TRAITORS in its ranks, bought by interested parties from the outside, we can also from the inside !!! It is enough to make a "small mistake", a postscript .... add one letter there and the upper face will sit in a puddle !!! And it is inappropriate for him to be so wrong, to lose face!
You are right, everything is not clean there, there is a SPECIFIC SUBSTATE !!!

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: rocket757

Why forbidden, by whom forbidden, when forbidden ???

answer
in 2016, the general director of the Rostech corporation, Sergei Chemezov, told reporters that the Iskander missile systems were on the list of products prohibited for export and would not be sold abroad.

Quote: rocket757

You are right, everything is not clean there, there is a SPECIFIC SUBSTATE !!!

There were the wreckage of not an export version but a modernized one. The question is different. Armenia did not participate in the war; ancient warriors with an invincible spirit from Karabakh fought there. And then infa pops up that, without the permission of the necessary authorities, the CSTO, Armenia declares war (once it fires a rocket), the CSTO will no longer interfere. This means that Azerbaijan has the right to kick it in the head. Hence, Aliyev says so ... it's not just that.

[rocket757]

If there are debris, you can find at least some serial number! It means to find out what kind of rocket it is POSSIBLE.
The boom is to wait for the results of the official investigation, there is no point in guessing without real information.

[Cube123]

Quote: rocket757

The question is, who gives inaccurate information ???

The wreckage could have just come from somewhere to frame Russia. Perhaps from some kind of landfill.

[rocket757]

On the wreckage, at the place of use, there is always a piece with whatever serial number. The fate of the rocket can be traced.

[YOUR]

How was it determined that these were fragments from the Iskander OTRK missile? Or maybe from Tochka-U or Elbrus.
But it is so.
OTRK Iskander in Armenia has 4 complexes. In 2018, they were shown at the parade.

[the most important]

Quote: rocket757

The question is being raised persistently!

But it is interesting, but about the downed helicopter, our Defense Ministry and the president are also persistently asking?

[rocket757]

Interestingly, they probably ask ... sometimes our fellows are so modest that there is more harm than it should have been.

[smart ass]

The only question is that the six of Turkey Aliyev began to buryat? Has the crown grown? Or did the order come from Turkey ?!

[Murmur 55]

Has Moscow given the answer? Dan. What else do you need? A-aaaaa I understood repentance for the whole world of money compensation 100500 milen and Kemsk parish ??? I would ask for the turntable, but there is no one. How is Azerbaijan's head spinning from victory, or is the sultan pushing further ????

[atalef]

Quote: Murmur 55

Has Moscow given the answer? Dan. What else do you need?

Well, if this answer looks like a pure lie, then it may have unpleasant consequences in the future. All the same, Azerbaijan is important for Russia, and all relationships collapse on such things. And as they say, a holy place is never empty. The same Turkey will quickly replace Russia - and what will the Russian Federation gain from this?

Quote: Murmur 55

How is Azerbaijan's head spinning from victory, or is the sultan pushing further ????

nevertheless, spinning or not, we are talking about a specific deception.

[Fungus]

Azerbaijanis have long been under the Turks. You are outdated.

[atalef]

Quote: Fungus

Azerbaijanis have long been under the Turks. You are outdated.

would be under the Turks, would not buy weapons from Russia. Thus, Russia will lose its last influence in the Transcaucasus.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: atalef

would be under the Turks, would not buy weapons from Russia.

The term UNDER TURKS, not all correct. Someone, but Aliyev will not be under anyone. If he is friends, it does not mean that there is the Kama Sutra.

[Butchcassidy]

Turkey has already arrived. The Azerbaijan Democratic Republic was created by the bayonets of General Nuri Pasha in 1918 - the formation, the heir and successor of which modern Az considers itself. R. Therefore, everything just returned to normal - Baku became Ankara's satellite.

According to Iskander, this is pure provocation. And it is not in the interests of Baku, it is in the interests of Ankara. The aggravation of relations with Moscow is objectively unprofitable for Baku, but it is beneficial for Turkey, since Moscow thwarted Turkey's plans in Karabakh and prevented Turkish intelligence agent Pashinyan from surrendering everything he had to. For these purposes, he was led to power. Turkey has now allocated approx. $ 400 million for Pashinyan's election campaign to bribe voters, because both Ankara and Baku need it too much.

The elements of the rocket, which are only in service with Moscow, Turkey handed over to Baku, having received them from Syria, where they were actively used by Russia. Aggravation is necessary in order to squeeze Moscow out of Karabakh.

[NDR-791]

Quote: ButchCassidy

The elements of the rocket, which are only in service with Moscow, Turkey handed over to Baku, having received them from Syria, where they were actively used by Russia.

This is more like the truth.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: NDR-791

This is more like the truth.

Lord, how many couch experts you are))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )

Everyone in Azerbaijan decided to blame someone like this on Russia, throw in the debris and blame it in full?))))) That is, the Russian side cannot show the documentation to the Azerbaijani side and say, amigo, this is a series of missiles then and then that was sent to Syria, then and then they were shot at such an area and you dwarf decided to falsely accuse me?))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))) Didn't try to think sometimes ?????

[A.K.]

I fully agree with you and support you.

[dedusik]

Have you all thought about the fact that we are shown only foam, and what is under the foam, we may never know, since this constitutes a state secret and all the issues over which we break spears have long been resolved?

[Bakinec]

Well, let the representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense come out and say that these wrecks are from Syria. Why are they silent?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Bakinec

Well, let the representative of the Russian Defense Ministry come out and say that these wrecks are from Syria.

If this were the case, then the representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense would arrange this for Azerbaijan .... you understand, blaming with prohibited weapons, you have to answer for this. Considering the level of Aliyev's diplomacy, he just doesn't say anything ............ he knows perfectly well with whom and how to talk!

[Bakinec]

Sure. But biased experts with a hurray-patriotic inclination are not smart enough to understand this.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: ButchCassidy

And it is not in the interests of Baku, it is in the interests of Ankara.

do you think Aliyev needs to quarrel with Russia? A very stupid conclusion.
Ankara has Russia as a counterweight to NATO. As you said, a holy place is never empty. Moreover, the Russian side is building Turkey's nuclear power plants, tourism, trade, billions and billions of the economy. What for? Why spit in the well where you drink water from? Not Turkey or Azerbaijan do not even have half of what Russia (resources) has to spoil relations with such a country, power, it is very stupid and not far-sighted, and if I understand this, then these are even more so.

Quote: ButchCassidy

since Moscow thwarted Turkey's plans in Karabakh and prevented Turkish intelligence agent Pashinyan from surrendering everything he had to.

Are you talking nonsense! Aliyev took as much as he was allowed. This is the first. Secondly, divide and rule, Karabakh and the peacekeepers are a classic, this is another lever for these countries, the Armenians will begin to emerge, Karabakh will be transferred to Azerbaijan at a fast pace, and if Azerbaijan arises, then Abkhazia and other regions will be an example for him. So that's it.

Pashinyan and Turkish intelligence? Do you yourself believe in this nonsense? how is his betrayal expressed?

Quote: ButchCassidy

The elements of the rocket, which are only in service with Moscow, Turkey handed over to Baku, having received them from Syria, where they were actively used by Russia.

Well, yes, in Azerbaijan they do not know that there are serial numbers and if some dwarf accuses the bear, falsely, thinking that everyone in Russia will not be able to prove otherwise, right? For such a false accusation, Azerbaijan can be destroyed at one expense ............. and since they are silent, they evade an answer, everything is not what you think ............. ...

[Butchcassidy]

Pashinyan's betrayal is in what he does and did in Armenia.

Aliyev is no longer a subject of international relations and does not play any role in the region on his own. He only plays the role of a talking head and voices what he was assigned within the framework of the "New Ottoman Empire" project. His independence ended with the arrest of MIT and the transfer to Ankara under the arrest of the head of the General Staff of Az. R.

Aliyev decided to integrate into Erdogan's pan-Turkist neo-Ottoman project. It's his choice. To partially exchange Karabakh for the whole of Azerbaijan is, from my point of view, stupid. Yes, the Trojan horse in the form of Pashinyan was brilliant, but this is a Pyrrhic victory, and not for a long time.

[Murmur 55]

And we learn from the West, to speak directly into the eyes the TRUTH or the TRUTH, but the one that we need and no matter how you look at it.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: atalef

nevertheless, spinning or not, we are talking about a specific deception.

Your answers are very interesting. Let's leave the Russian side aside, here is another important point, Armenia officially declared that it did not participate in the war (despite the fact that all the dead were buried in Armenia), in this case they will not be able to dodge. Loud trials await them!

[Emil Azeri]

Barak ER has 50G maneuver, 150km range.
Azerbaijan has these missiles, + radars 2080, 2084, Lanza 3D.
Barak LR (LRAD), Barak ER, S-300 PMU-2 Favorit 48H6E2, BUK-MB2.

Minus speakers, choke ..
Azerbaijan has the best air defense in the CIS.
Even your Iskander was shot down when
help Barak ER.

[NDR-791]

And it is here in what matters? And why is it here?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Emil Azeri

Barak ER has 50G maneuver, 150km range.
Azerbaijan has these missiles, + radars 2080, 2084, Lanza 3D.
Barak LR (LRAD), Barak ER, S-300 PMU-2 Favorit 48H6E2, BUK-MB2.

Minushers, drown ... Azerbaijan has the best air defense system in the CIS. Even your Iskander was shot down when
help Barak ER.

It seems to be pleasant, but doubtful. The barracks covered Baku and oil fields, and there was an S-300 in the Karabakh zone.

[Emil Azeri]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Emil Azeri

Barak ER has 50G maneuver, 150km range.
Azerbaijan has these missiles, + radars 2080, 2084, Lanza 3D.
Barak LR (LRAD), Barak ER, S-300 PMU-2 Favorit 48H6E2, BUK-MB2.

Minushers, drown ... Azerbaijan has the best air defense system in the CIS. Even your Iskander was shot down when
help Barak ER.

It seems to be pleasant, but doubtful. The barracks covered Baku and oil fields, and there was an S-300 in the Karabakh zone.

The zone of Azerbaijan does not include the Russian systems.
Our S-300 are purely ceremonial.
Our air defense system includes Arrow 2, Barak ER, Barak LR, Iron Dome, Buk-MB2.
And that is all.
Recently, we have purchased from Israel radar ELM 2084MS MMR, and from Spain Lanza 3D.

[Cottodraton]

Come on, "suck" is not counted, do not try already ...

[Fungus]

You could not bring down the old Elbruses where you were before Iskander. And those debris that they found were not shot down, but successfully hit with cassettes. Otherwise, the cassette unit would be different. In short, you took the wreckage from the Turks.

[Bakinec]

Well, let some representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense come out and say that these wrecks are from Syria, or the devil knows where. And then everything is clear to the commentator of the fungus, but for some reason the Russian Ministry of Defense is silent

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Fungus

You could not bring down the old Elbrus

Couldn't this too wrong statement. There are 3 options, either they did not have time and did not expect that they would be fired into the sleeping area of ​​the 2nd city, or they deliberately did not shoot down, so that later Armenia would be punished very harshly in the courts.

For example, the United States expected the Japanese to destroy Pearl Harbor and untie their hands to use an atomic bomb on them. Azerbaijan has far from bad air defense.

[aslanismaili611]

And who even saw the wreckage of Ross. helicopter? isn't he Armenian? Was it not brought from Syria? Excuse me, corpses? If they are, where are they from? And how fresh? We have a lot of questions. But, apparently, Baku does not want to spoil relations. Baku hints about the undesirability of appealing to international organizations about Iskander M.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: aslanismaili611

And who even saw the wreckage of Ross. helicopter? isn't he Armenian?

There were wrecks, but the question is, who drew this route knowing that there was a war going on and flying between 2 warring countries, at night at low altitudes without warning is pure provocation, so everyone is silent!

[Professor]

Quote: Emil Azeri

Even your Iskander was shot down when
help Barak ER.

I doubt very much that Barack was used at all.

[Emil Azeri]

Quote: professor

Quote: Emil Azeri

Even your Iskander was shot down when
help Barak ER.

I doubt very much that Barack was used at all.

Azerbaijan's Barak ER launchers throughout the war were red from launches, then intercepted by Tornadoes, then Scuds ..
Barak ER is a super effective thing.
Despite the fact that one Barak 8 LR rocket costs $ 1.6 million, how much does a Barak ER rocket cost is anyone's guess.

[Professor]

Quote: Emil Azeri

Azerbaijan's Barak ER launchers throughout the war were red from launches, then intercepted by Tornadoes, then Scuds ..
Barak ER is a super effective thing.
Despite the fact that one Barak 8 LR rocket costs $ 1.6 million, how much does a Barak ER rocket cost is anyone's guess.

It looks like bikes. There is no evidence of the use of Baracks.

[Leon68]

Quote: Emil Azeri

Azerbaijan's Barak ER launchers throughout the war were red from launches, then intercepted by Tornadoes, then Scuds ..

Didn't they intercept the Death Star? And then you never know ...

[Okolotochny]

Are you rushing in a national hurray into a frenzy? Exhale, calm down.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: professor

I doubt very much that Barack was used at all.

There are rumors that the Azerbaijani side will buy Israel's newest missile defense system, a modernized version of David's Sling.

[Charik]

fabulous astrologer

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Emil Azeri

Azerbaijan has the best air defense in the CIS.

And even the best star infantry corps on Earth, and the best star destroyers in golaktag. That's when / if an Azeri just survives a couple of days of aviation operation of at least one North Caucasian Military District, then it will be possible to argue about what he has. Either air defense, or fiction. And at the moment, the Azerbaijani air defense, something like the elusive Joe from an anecdote. In theory, of course there is, but in practice, nafig did not give up anyone to check his best

[Synoid]

Shot down?
if only in wet dreams.
you cannot bring down something that was not.

[Leon68]

Quote: Emil Azeri

Azerbaijan has the best air defense in the CIS.
Even your Iskander was shot down with the help of Barak ER

Couch dreamer! Oh well!

[rotmistr60]

no such ballistic missiles were launched

And what other answer awaits Aliyev? Another question, purely rhetorical, is interesting - who pushed him to unwind this idiot?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: rotmistr60

who pushed him to unwind this idiot?

His military advisers. This is an excellent reason to punish Armenia in courts. Aliyev made a statement yesterday that the people of Azerbaijan are returning to Zengezur 101 years later. To say this and not be responsible for your words ............... it will not be very nice https://haqqin.az/news/207530 and a moment later Pashinyan's article urgently left for Zangezur https: / /haqqin.az/news/207538 along the way, the bargaining was not childish. Or 50 billion compensation or vice versa Zangezur.

[Prisoner]

That there is more than one piece with a serial number? Let him not cheat, not in the market. It was as if they were dragged from Syria. Moreover, something that is difficult to identify.

[Bakinec]

Serial numbers are available. Write on the Internet - "the wreckage of Iskander in Karabakh" - you will see. What do you think Azerbaijan will raise such questions before Russia without proof?

[Prisoner]

There are a lot of things on the Internet. Not everything can be trusted.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Captive

There are a lot of things on the Internet. Not everything can be trusted.

Read .......... what tell https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4292746.html and https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3736762

[Bakinec]

And what will you believe only when these bummers bring you to your apartment?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Bakinec

And what will you believe only when these bummers bring you to your apartment?

If you are an expert in weapons, tell me what kind of missile it is, pay attention to the numbers.

[Center]

The exact geographic coordinates of the wreck were also named: 39 ° 45'38.10 "N 46 ° 44'33.90" E and 39 ° 45'27.80 "N 46 ° 45'25.80" E.

[Dmitry Izmalkov]

Here, in another question, the Russian Federation has the right to sell only Iskander-E, and the 9m723 missile has a greater flight range than 300 km and belongs to the Iskander-M complex

[NDR-791]

Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov

Here, in another question, the Russian Federation has the right to sell only Iskander-E

Who decided that? What do we owe? What we sell is our personal "want".

[Sergey Grishechkin]

Is this Iskander-M or E? Armenia should have Iskander-E. Well, everything is mixed up again ...

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Sergey Grishechkin

Is this Iskander-M or E? Armenia should have Iskander-E. Well, everything is mixed up again ...

Suffice it to point out that back in September 2018, the then war correspondent of the Kommersant newspaper, Ivan Safronov, who was now in pretrial detention, reported in the material published in this publication that Russia had supplied the Armenian armed forces with missile systems performed by Iskander-M:

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4292746.html

[Professor]

3. The RF Armed Forces used Iskamder-M from the 201st base in the hope that Shusha would not pass it on to the Azerbaijanis and no one would get material evidence.

PS
The use of Iskander missiles in Georgia in 2008 is still denied in the Russian Federation despite the presence of missile parts in Gori.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: professor

The use of Iskander missiles in Georgia in 2008 is still denied in the Russian Federation despite the presence of missile parts in Gori.

please read this material.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3736762 и https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4292746.html

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There are, in fact, two answers ... one is more "muddy" ... the other may well really be! 1. The version is "muddy" and not quite serious ...! Like, when in 2016 Armenia urgently asked Russia for Iskander in connection with the expectation of an imminent war with Azerbaijan; then Iskander-E were absent at that time in Russia ... in a "hurry" they shipped what was "in the warehouses" ... that is, "Iskander-M"! Maybe someone has already reasoned: we'll figure it out later! Then we will replace! Iskander-E set off according to the documents!

2016 Armenia received a division of operational-tactical complexes (OTRK) "Iskander-M" with missiles 9M723

Kommersant newspaper correspondent Ivan Safronov reported in the material published in this edition about the supply of missile systems to the Armenian armed forces by Iskander-M: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3736762

De jure, this violates the agreement on the proliferation of missile technologies, since the range of these missiles' destruction exceeds 300 km, a Kommersant source in the military-technical cooperation sphere admits. Moscow was forced to take such a step: Armenia urgently needed OTRK to maintain military parity with Azerbaijan, which has a much larger arsenal of offensive weapons. The creation of an export modification of the Iskander-E, which does not fall under the restrictions, required time, which was not available in the event of Baku's decision to attack the Armenian positions in Nagorno-Karabakh. "
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4292746.html

[Papapg]

the leader of Azerbaijan claims that Baku has "all the data on when, who and from where launched the Iskander-M missile."

, and we must not forget and hack to death on our nose that Russia has friends, these are the Army and the Navy!

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

Russia has friends, these are the Army and the Navy!

Stop carrying this bike
This is the army that executed the king allowed the collapse of the country, about the battleship Potemkin. Remind

[Okolotochny]

This is the army that, when ordered, will multiply the entire Transcaucasia by zero. And Bayraktars with the Sultan in addition will not save.

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

Agree
and not only the Transcaucasia and Ukraine and the Baltic states, too, but it is also not worth quoting a visiting disc about the army and the navy that did everything the other way around

[Strashila]

The wreckage of the rocket could have been brought in by the Turks from Syria.

[Bakinec]

Lord, the same thing. Well, let someone from the Russian Ministry of Defense say that you are lying Azerbaijanis. These wrecks are from Syria. And then everything is clear to commentators from VO. But MO is silent.

[Okolotochny]

Should the RF Ministry of Defense be responsible? Your President was promoted in the press. And who is he for the MO to answer him?

[Bakinec]

Judging by your question, you are not yet mature enough to know who the president of a neighboring country is

[TatarinSSSR]

If these debris were not thrown from somewhere like from Syria, and the Iskanders were really used by Armenia .... Sooner or later it will become clear, the Azerbaijanis and Turks will get everyone with their questions. And then someone's shoulder straps in the Russian Ministry of Defense will fly and strong.

[Strashila]

And who saw these fragments, except for the Turks and Azerbaijanis. At one time, Saakashvili shook the same with fragments of "Russian" missiles.

[Keeper]

The devil is in the details. Aliyev in the video from the point of impact of a ballistic missile walks among dilapidated houses. You see - no funnel! Then they show the wreckage of a missile loaded with cluster munitions. Is this Iskander with cassettes? And no serial numbers for accurate identification. Aliyev asks the question: whose country does the concrete wreck belong to? What for? Then everyone will know the truth. And in the end, only those who feel guilty are justified. Aliyev successfully creates an image of an enemy in the minds of his compatriots. This is a guarantee that the people will no longer notice that colossal difference in the standard of living between the authorities and the common people.

[72jora72]

At the same time, the leader of Azerbaijan claims that Baku has "all the data on when, who and from where launched the Iskander-M OTRK missile."

And who flunked our turntable, he accidentally has no data? Plays with fire .........

[faterdom]

Shouldn't he send Azerbaijanis as ambassadors for peace, who have seized all the bazaars in the capitals and regional centers, and because of the decrease in the food supply are already killing each other in fitness clubs? They can be used more useful for the historical homeland, for example, for demining the former contact area.

[yfast]

Quote: Bakinec

his conclusion, what kind of debris and where did they come from.

Can I put the serial numbers of the wreckage here?

[Synoid]

You are funny.
Gentlemen and those who take off take their word for it.
Yes)))

[Bakinec]

Hold on. If you are too lazy to look
https://www.trend.az/azerbaijan/society/3402852.html

[Roman070280]

Recall that earlier the Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan announced the use of Iskander missiles, which "either did not explode or worked by 10%."

It turns out that Pashinyan still did not cheat at that time ..))

[yfast]

Quote: Bakinec

https://www.trend.az/azerbaijan/society/3402852.html

Fragment # 2 does not look like Iskander. 12-78-C is the date? Is the 83rd year on the boards? In general, someone needs to understand this. And so as not to be imprisoned for analysis).

[spt-nv]

Strange photos, some of them have a lot of rust. now it is clear why they worked by 10%.

[ljoha_d]

And Aliyev did not immediately tell about our downed helicopter ???

[Papapg]

If you are an expert in weapons, tell me what kind of missile it is, pay attention to the numbers

Each product of this type has a so-called board bag, which stores all documents for components, all movement of the product, as well as what work, repairs and maintenance were carried out with the product. The numbers are indicated on the details for a reason, there is some kind of "meaning" in it! For a specialist, it is easier to determine what is from where it is easier than ever, and the hype around is a PR move, than to designate oneself, to stand out, how the artists arrange the hype if they are forgotten, or how the "blueness" of parades requires, everything is somewhere nearby, all of the same field of berries, or clowns. Such questions are not tolerated in public if there is truth, this is stupid populism, or, as they say, Ostap suffered.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Thrifty

Baku resident, and how did your Azerbaijan punish those who shot down the helicopter? Why didn't you pay compensation to the families of the victims, where are the official apologies? You are right - your elkhamchik does not need to pretend to be a hose, the topic of the helicopter is not closed for us, Russians, and Iskander M this version of the complex cannot leave Russia. Your Aliyev either gives out deliberately false information, or he himself is being led by the nose, slipping some fragments of a rocket under the guise of a completely different complex.

And the Armenians who shot down a helicopter with 1992 Russian generals and a Russian crew in 4 were punished? Did the Armenian militants apologize? And then, when in Leninakan (Gyumri), Armenian militants surrounded and basely shot a car with 5 Russian paratroopers. Ahh ... you probably don’t remember such things, remember here, but don’t remember there. Sclerosis is so selective. Why is your memory letting you down?

[Scorpio05]

In fact, the tragedy with the downed helicopter looks like a provocation by third forces to drive a wedge between the Russian Federation and Azerbaijan, thus breaking the partnership. The Armenian military are involved as civilian employees at the Russian base, vt. h. and as technical personnel. There are quite a few of them. It was quite possible that there was a setup with a flight mission (route) to bring the helicopter closer to the border - in fact, the front line, since quite intensive shelling from the Armenian territory of Azerbaijani settlements located in Nakhichevan was recorded during the 44-day war.
It is impossible to imagine in such a situation that a Russian military helicopter will fly over practically the front line, and even without warning from the Azerbaijani side. The warning of the Azerbaijani military would correspond to the official instructions, and naturally in the conditions of the actual war between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
And the logic of the planned peacekeeping operation suggests that they would probably have warned that the convoy was already moving towards the Azerbaijani border, and very close to it. Let me remind you that the Russian military that appeared during the hostilities on the Armenian territory, and at the end of the basement and in Lachin itself, raised the Russian flag in order to prevent accidental shelling from the Azerbaijani military who came out to the outskirts of Lachin in October 2020.
It is difficult to logically take off the helicopter late at night (without warning from the Azerbaijani side) and with the side lights turned off. Military people are not characterized by negligence. The thought suggests itself that most likely the Armenians at the base "helped" with the choice of the route and with the "conditions" of the flight.

[alekpro2010]

That's just the point - there was no front line there, moreover, there were no official hostilities between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Turkey has already arrived. The Azerbaijan Democratic Republic was created by the bayonets of General Nuri Pasha in 1918 - the formation, the heir and successor of which modern Az considers itself. R. Therefore, everything just returned to normal - Baku became Ankara's satellite.

According to Iskander, this is pure provocation. And it is not in the interests of Baku, it is in the interests of Ankara. The aggravation of relations with Moscow is objectively unprofitable for Baku, but it is beneficial for Turkey, since Moscow thwarted Turkey's plans in Karabakh and prevented Turkish intelligence agent Pashinyan from surrendering everything he had to. For these purposes, he was led to power. Turkey has now allocated approx. $ 400 million for Pashinyan's election campaign to bribe voters, because both Ankara and Baku need it too much.

The elements of the rocket, which are only in service with Moscow, Turkey handed over to Baku, having received them from Syria, where they were actively used by Russia. Aggravation is necessary in order to squeeze Moscow out of Karabakh.

1.All that to you - the Armenians know)), one thing you do not know is how to equip your country and not turn it into a mess, also not create problems for either allies or neighbors, and especially yourself, with your ambitions and annexationism that are not in size and capabilities
2. Do not pass over from a sore head to a healthy one. One should not ascribe his native Armenian system of values, modus operandi - "satellite (dependent) - breadwinner (donor for parasitic education)" to others, especially Azerbaijan.
3. On Iskander and without you - "well-wishers" will be sorted out. Have you personally counted and transferred money from Turkey? Do you like Armenians to smear everyone (just in case), even nominally their scapegoats with empty talk, but do not admit their sins. As the Karabakh Gauleiter Arayik Harutyunyan stated during a live broadcast on Facebook: “if someone should be accused of“ betrayal ”, then the entire Armenian people can be blamed for this.“ Who “sold the land”? We did it with all the people. We betrayed everything together, "said Harutyunyan.
Well, yes, tens of thousands of Armenian deserters were probably forced to flee from their positions or to evade the draft in order to hold meetings and loot government buildings in Yerevan?
4. Do you really think that if the missile wreckage was actually transferred from Turkey, and without you, there would not have been anyone on a much more solid level to present it? And in general at this level it is not accepted to do so. Your own habits and ethics do not work at this level)

[alekpro2010]

Actually, very strange circumstances of the discovery, one was found at the bottom of the funnel, the cassette warhead, in principle, could not leave such a funnel and destruction. Another lay in plain sight, and was found two months later. It is very similar to a set-up. Aliyev needs to knock on the horns where the results of the investigation into the destruction of our helicopter are. That the Azerbaijanis cannot find the MANPADS operator. The helicopter was attacked outside the combat zone, on the territory of the state with which Azerbaijan had no hostilities. Premeditated murder by a group of persons.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: alekpro2010

That's just the point - there was no front line there, moreover, there were no official hostilities between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Ahh ..... is it the Cthulhi and the combined fleet of Alpha-Centauri attacked Azerbaijan, throwing Ganja, Barda, Mingechaur State District Power Plant and other cities with Elbrus and Tochki-U? And for some reason several Armenian SU 25s were shot down in Karabakh. Well, the Armenian army did not participate at all in the war))
And the former Prime Minister G. Bagratyan, speaking about the fact that the Armenian army has been defeated and its potential destroyed by 80%, probably did not consult with you before that? Like Serzh Sargsyan, the former president and minister of Armenia, who told Armenian television that the best reserve brigades of Armenia were also destroyed by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces in heavy battles in Karabakh. I do not understand, what is the use of those who spread this misinformation about the alleged non-participation of the Armenian army? Are the Armenians (for some reason, mostly Russian) afraid of reparations, a lawsuit because of almost ALL Azerbaijani cities and villages completely destroyed and plundered by the Armenians during the occupation? Therefore, they are trying to shove the responsibility on this premature "nkr"? The demand is small, they say, unrecognized. Or is it a toad strangling - such an inferiority complex? They are flaunting that it was not the "iron ashots" from the Armenian army who were defeated, fled or deserted, but some small and unfortunate Partzah? Why should Vanka play, dear?
The entire Azerbaijani-Armenian border periodically turned into a front line with periods of short lull. As for the helicopter, re-read what was written above, you probably need to start with this, i.e. with clarification of all the circumstances.

[Herman 4223]

They bought we sold. And why shouldn't Armenia have them? Is there any law that forbids this? They showed these complexes in their parade, it was not a secret.