April 19 - Day of acceptance of Crimea, Taman and Kuban into the Russian Empire

In April 1783, the Russian Empress Catherine II issued a manifesto according to which the Crimea and the Kuban region became part of the Russian Empire. In honor of this event on April 19, when this was signed historical document, in the Russian Federation celebrate the Day of the adoption of the Crimea, Taman and Kuban into the Russian Empire.

This year it is being held only for the second time, since the Law on its establishment appeared only in August 2018. It was established by the Federal Assembly and approved by the President.

So, on April 19 (old style on the 8th), Catherine the Great signed the manifesto "On the acceptance of the Crimean Peninsula, Taman Island and the entire Kuban side under the Russian state." The fact that Taman was a peninsula, not an island, was found out later, but this did not change the essence of the matter.

This event was preceded by a difficult, long and bloody struggle of the Russian state with the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire for the lands of the Azov region, the Northern Black Sea region and the Crimea itself, which lasted for several centuries.

Initially, the Crimean Khanate was part of the Golden Horde, but after its collapse it became dependent on the rapidly growing Ottoman Empire.

After a series of Russian-Turkish wars, in which the khans of the Crimea supported the sultan, Russia managed to gain a foothold on the Black Sea and Azov shores, first making the Crimean Khanate its vassal, and then including its lands into the empire. In addition to the Crimea, the Taman Peninsula and the Kuban lands were also subordinate to the khans. Since 1783, all this has become part of the Russian state.

Thanks to this acquisition, the inhabitants of the southern Russian lands ceased to be afraid of the Tatar and Nogai raids, and the Russian Empire created the Black Sea Fleet. The entry of the Kuban region subsequently contributed to the inclusion of the entire North Caucasus and Transcaucasia into Russia.

And today the editorial board of "Voenny Obozreniye" congratulates all Russians on the Day of the adoption of Crimea, Taman and Kuban into the Russian Empire. Today this fertile land has become a real pearl of our vast Motherland.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

And today the editorial board of "Voennoye Obozreniye" congratulates all Russians on the Day of the adoption of Crimea, Taman and Kuban into the Russian Empire.

Thanks you too!

[WHAT IS]

Happy Holidays to all! Catherine is really the Great!

[olhon]

Nifiga we have more holidays in Crimea after 2014

[Pereira]

So this is good.

[scientist]

Good holiday. Especially considering that in 1783 there was no misunderstanding under the name of Ukraine even in the project.

[Thrifty]

Scientist - now you need to disassemble this misunderstanding into fragments, with the return of the Russian lands back to Russia.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Thrifty

now we need to disassemble this misunderstanding into fragments

In this regard, Churchill said "Russians create difficulties for themselves and then heroically overcome them." Ukraine, like most of the "independent" countries of the former USSR, was created by Russia, or rather the rotten top of the CPSU. Now the Russians are forced to solve the problems of these understates, the leadership of which is cheaper than "British beads for the American Indians." I would like to hope that everything will be done without heroism.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Good holiday! But it would be high time to start returning all Russian lands and people! Yeltsin sold-dispersed, and the current authorities should start returning!

[Krasnodar]

So Kuban is the Zaporozhye Cossacks And the balachka in the villages is the same mova. You will be in Krasnodar, be sure to see the monument to Catherine in the park opposite the Arbitration Court - she, Potemkin and solid Bendera And if from there you turn to the square leading to Krasnaya Street, you will see a picture of the whole house - the Cossacks are holding the draw of the Kuban Land
Ukraine, as a political concept, did not exist then, but the Ukrainians were already

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Krasnodar

Ukraine, as a political concept, did not exist then, but the Ukrainians were already

Just the opposite.
Ukraine was, it was land on the outskirts of either Russia or Poland. The Ukrainians invented a hundred years ago. And the Germans came up with it.

Although ...
This is sarcasm ... eh, seed seed (s)

[Krasnodar]

Precisely the Germans? So Katka Nashenskaya was also that ... Prussian

[Thrifty]

Krasnodar - recently drove through a city named in your honor , in transit, at work. It will be necessary to visit historical places and monuments somehow! Wherever I go, I look at history, modern grotesque pseudo-buildings made of colored glass only spoil the view of this or that city, in my opinion. All these new buildings do not fit into historical places, they only disfigure them!

[Krasnodar]

Oh, the whole story with Krasnodar is more complicated. It was a pretty beautiful town, but during the Second World War, during the hostilities, the historical part was destroyed by 80 percent. Some have survived, some have been restored, but, unfortunately, there is very little real historical architecture.
There are cozy, nice places, you will pass, write, I will be happy to show you if I am in the city.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Thrifty

modern grotesque pseudo-buildings made of colored glass only spoil the view of this or that city, in my opinion. All these new buildings do not fit into historical places, they only disfigure them!

Picking up. Menageri will demolish the historical centers of cities everywhere, so that the eyes do not prick and the "expensive" land does not occupy.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Krasnodar

Ukraine, as a political concept, did not exist then, but the Ukrainians were already

Cossacks themselves so-called. "Ukrainians" were not considered or called.

[Krasnodar]

I agree. They were Cossacks. Tooth with forelocks, whiskers, and balakali on mov
And so no - purely Ryazan

[Olgovich]

Quote: Krasnodar

And so no - purely Ryazan

find out that Russians can be swarthy and blond, bald and bearded, mustachioed and beardless, and the Cossacks called themselves Russians, like
Bogdan Khmelnitsky himself called his people RUSSIAN, his land Little Russia, and his faith Russian.

[Krasnodar]

I agree. So Russians are made up of Great Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians - in the Kuban, for example, there are more Ukrainians

[sustav75]

This is why there are more non-brothers there ?! There are undoubtedly descendants of the Cossacks there! But that's a different song! And enough for the holiday here to fly to the place and not to the place ukrov! Tie up uncle! Good advice to you

[Krasnodar]

You are with me on you, tk. Did you do a march on a beret together? ))
And since when are Russian Ukrainians not your brothers?
Ethnically, there are more Ukrainians, the Cossacks pulled up acquaintances, from relatives to fellow countrymen, to new lands, Cossack atamans received allotments for the villages, settled their own, respectively.
On the Don, the picture is somewhat different - more people came there from Russia.
Give good free advice to your friends - my strong recommendation!

[sustav75]

Any Ukrainians are not my brothers! Ukrainians have always been disliked! A petty, cunning and greedy people! All your "Ukrainians" living in Russia call themselves Russians for a long time! Not by the Russians Yeltsinovs, but by the Russians! And rightly so. There are, of course, the undershoots of Bandera who served time in Siberia and their offspring. Those yes! Consider themselves natural ukrami. You seem to have something to do with them, maybe even direct! I won't give you any more advice! Ukrainian smell from you ...

[Krasnodar]

Any Ukrainians are not my brothers! Ukrainians have always been disliked! Petty, cunning and greedy people

Not a fig ...

All your "Ukrainians" living in Russia call themselves Russians for a long time! Not by Russians Yeltsinovs, but by Russians

In general, yes, only with a small amendment - they do not bother about national self-identification, like ethnic Belarusians.

There are, of course, the undershoots of Bandera who served time in Siberia and their offspring. Those yes! Consider themselves natural ukrami. You seem to have something to do with them, maybe even direct! I won't give you any more advice! Ukrainian smell from you ...

Still no - all rabbis and a bit of Amur Cossacks
And you are a nationalist, and that's bad.

[aglet]

"This is why there are more non-brothers there ?! There are undoubtedly descendants of the Cossacks there!"
if my sclerosis does not fail me, from the slash, after its liquidation, 200 Cossacks were resettled to the Kuban, who had sworn allegiance to the empress, with their families. not to say that a lot

[Krasnodar]

So then they reached out for them
We still have a lot of Ukrainian surnames
I will be at the Regional Museum of Krasnodar - I will unsubscribe in more detail

[Olgovich]

Quote: Krasnodar

in the Kuban, for example, there are more Ukrainians

Well, what are you, according to the census there already ...1,6% of Ukrainians, but 88% Russian

[Krasnodar]

The predominant population is Russians, most of whom consider themselves to be a special sub-ethnos - the Kuban Cossacks, in whose colloquial speech there are elements of the Ukrainian language

https://nbcrs.org/regions/krasnodarskiy-kray/etnicheskiy-sostav-naseleniya
Read the article more closely - Ukrainians, of whom 1.6% are most likely from Soviet or modern Ukraine.
And the Kuban Cossacks are the descendants of the Zaporozhye Cossacks from there and "balachka", or mova

[Olgovich]

Quote: Krasnodar

And the Kuban Cossacks are the descendants of the Cossacks Zaporizhzhya

who called themselves RUSSIAN.

And yes, the Kuban army is Merger Black Sea (Cossacks) with Caucasian line troops (most).

Let me also remind you that the forced Ukrainization of the 1920s and 30s in the Kuban fully failed - NOBODY appeared at the decoration.

[Krasnodar]

I didn't even know what it was (with schools), but in the villages they still balak. Call themselves Russians - of course, but you and I consider the Great Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians Russians, don't we?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Krasnodar

but in the villages they are still balak.

and great, I like it.

Quote: Krasnodar

Call themselves Russians - of course, but you and I consider the Great Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians Russians, don't we?

So! And these are Russians Russians

[Krasnodar]

And there is no unity of diversity?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Krasnodar

but you and I consider the Great Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians Russians, don't we

Laughter laughter.
But Ukrainians are those who DO NOT consider themselves Russian.
Otherwise, you are also wrong, because the Cossacks and the Ukrainians are two different concepts. Ukrainians are more likely Little Russians, peasants, muzhiks (farmers). Moreover, the Western ones, who were cattle (subhuman slaves) under the masters. And for the Cossacks "muzhik" is almost an insult, for they are warriors, not peasants. And they certainly never were cattle.

[Krasnodar]

I don’t know, I have never thought much about this question, but personally, I have always associated the Cossacks with the Ukrainians, and in the Kuban, at all cultural and historical events, you will hear “Loads the horses” and other things related to Ukrainian folklore since Soviet times

[lucul]

Call themselves Russians - of course, but you and I consider the Great Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians Russians, don't we? laughing

Arabs and Jews don't call themselves Semites anymore? ))))

[Krasnodar]

Arabs and Jews are like Russians and Poles. Somewhere similar languages, religion, but different writing, culture and mentality.

[d1975]

I don’t sign up as a lawyer for Krasnodar, but I’m from the Kuban and he’s in many ways right, minus then what for he stuck, for example, we are still those who are from Russia ka ..... we call. And don’t be offended, the culture is different mentality, too. And it did not fail, but there was a misunderstanding of history and culture. The language was before that Russian and Kuban balachka, but not MOV. After all, the Ukrainian language is a continuous hybrid. I am Russian, but before, 1924, in St. born grandmother it was the Kuban Cossack who was written. It's a pity that I can't show the document, they seized ...

[Krasnodar]

The village dwellers who own the booth understand MOV better than us, one still young woman translated the songs of Okean Elzy to me

[aglet]

"And the Kuban Cossacks are the descendants of the Zaporozhye Cossacks from there and" balachka "or Mova" "
These descendants make up an extremely small part, because there were very few of those who were allowed to relocate. and on the balachka they spoke (now you can hardly hear it anywhere) throughout the south of Russia, completely regardless of the presence of Ukrainians

[d1975]

No, don't talk nonsense, the Kuban balachka is different.

[Okolotochny]

Albert, greetings. Well, do not get excited about the balachka, she is practically gone, even in the villages and farms, I am silent about Krasnodar)) Urbanization, the development of transport, telecommunications have done their job. Old people only and then mostly ... 20-ies of birth (if alive, then God grant them health). South Russian dialect soft drawn-out "G" Yes, there is such, "Hglyaya")) But it is South-RUSSIAN.

[Krasnodar]

Greetings!
I can cite two examples - a 40-year-old woman I know speaks fluently in the booth and understands Ukrainian, and one very young girl worked in the canteen of an office building. When, during the Ukrainian events, I asked her for a Maidanovski (Kiev) cutlet, they began to make fun of it, so she gave it out on a mov or balachka, said that both parents and grandfathers with their grandmothers understand the language and speak.
In Krasnodar, Dinskaya, Severskaya, etc. - I agree, you hear Armenian more often, but in the villages to the south and closer to Novoros, people still balak

[Okolotochny]

Albert, but agree that these are isolated examples ??? And not the south of the region, namely the north and north-west, there, yes, in the villages of balakali. But now it is very rare.

[Krasnodar]

Of course I agree, I do not argue

[Okolotochny]

more often you will hear Armenian

Parev, akhper)) Also tell me that they are balakin 'in Armavir))

[Krasnodar]

Ahper jan, vonts es? )) I have never been to Armavir, but they do not spoil in Sochi - definitely

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

Read more carefully the article -

Well, stop lying about Krasnodar, I was there in the eighties for work, and there were NO Ukrainians and there was no Ukrainian speech at all. Yes, in some villages of the Krasnodar Territory you can hear mixed Ukrainian-Russian speech, but this was typical for all Little Russia and Novorossia, and not because Ukrainians came there from near Kiev. And the residents of the Krasnodar Territory have much more relatives in the Crimea than the same relatives in the central part of Ukraine - this is also a fact, so you will not be able to attract the Kuban to Svidomo, although you are good at lying. Anyone knows that Crimea never belonged to Ukraine before Khrushchev's voluntaristic decision, which is why fairy tales about Ukrainians in the Kuban will not work. Although the process of resettlement of the inhabitants of Ukraine to other regions of the USSR has always existed - the Ukrainian communities of Siberia celebrate their holidays and conduct optional classes in mov, but none of them say that these lands belonged to Ukrainians.

[Krasnodar]

Who attracts Th? Do you live here or just blurt out?
Relatives of the residents of the Krasnodar Territory throughout Russia, and even the world, Ukraine has to do with it?
Many came to Siberia during the evacuation, to the appearance of the Kuban Slavs, the backbone of which are the Zaporozhye Cossacks, they do not have at all.
And what does Crimea have to do with it? And what land belongs to whom? You read the history of the Kuban, then come back and talk

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

Relatives of the residents of the Krasnodar Territory throughout Russia, and even the world, Ukraine has to do with it?

And what does the Ukrainian language have to do with the Krasnodar Territory?

Quote: Krasnodar

to the emergence of the Kuban Slavs, the backbone of which are the Zaporozhye Cossacks, they do not have at all.

There were more Don and fugitives from the Russian regions than the Zaporozhye ones - maybe it's enough to lie?

Quote: Krasnodar

And what does Crimea have to do with it?

And despite the fact that the kinship between the Crimeans and the Kuban was so strongly developed that even during the Crimea being a part of Ukraine, many Crimeans studied in Krasnodar, and Crimean sailors were often registered through Novorossiysk.

[Krasnodar]

And what does the Ukrainian language have to do with the Krasnodar Territory?

Ask the balak

There were more Don and fugitives from the Russian regions than the Zaporozhye ones - maybe it's enough to lie?

Where, then, is the balachka from? Why are some Ukrainian songs considered, including those of Kuban? And what about Cossack traditions? If you don’t know, if you don’t live here, keep your "authoritative opinion" for the same specialists

And despite the fact that the kinship between the Crimeans and the Kuban was so strongly developed that even during the Crimea being a part of Ukraine, many Crimeans studied in Krasnodar, and Crimean sailors were often registered through Novorossiysk.

The relationship is so strong ... No, well, I did not do research on this topic, but my local acquaintances did not mention the Crimean relatives. I do not exclude that many have such, but when planning a vacation in Crimea, no one talked about meeting with relatives, etc., at least in my social circle

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

And where, then, is the balachka from?

From the same place from where in the Belgorod and Kursk regions also come across those who speak surzhik.

Quote: Krasnodar

but my local acquaintances did not mention the Crimean relatives.

Krasnodar Territory is large, but on Taman and the Azov coast near Anapa, Temryuk, many have relatives in the Crimea. As soon as Putin went to the Kerch Strait, all the Kuban sea collective farms sent their SChS to make money, and after that they hummed in restaurants so that it was remembered that the Soviet people lived merrily, you just do not know this.

[Krasnodar]

1) Balachka is closer to Ukrainian than surzhik
2)

Krasnodar Territory is large, but on Taman and the Azov coast near Anapa, Temryuk, many have relatives in Crimea

In Anapa - I don’t know, in Taman - it’s quite logical
3) I agree about the Soviet era.

[Popandos]

in the Kuban, for example, there are more Ukrainians

I disagree, most of all Siberians and Far Easterners live in the Kuban now
Himself from the Far East, 12 years already
PySy Happy Holidays!

[Krasnodar]

Not more, but soon it will be
I am also from the East, only the Middle

[Popandos]

Neighbor happy holiday!

[Krasnodar]

Happy holiday
Where do you live?

[Popandos]

Starokorsunskaya

[Krasnodar]

Familiar))
Krasnodar, Kubanonaberezhnaya

[Popandos]

The city got tired, moved to the suburbs

[Krasnodar]

Correctly done

[Okolotochny]

In the hotel "Trud" near Zaton, there was a notable pub in the early 90s))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Okolotochny

In the hotel "Trud" near Zaton, there was a notable pub in the early 90s))

Near the stadium?

[Okolotochny]

On the back side of the hotel, between it and the Zaton. From the hostel (on Kirov 6, sugar technical school) we went there to indulge in beer))

[Krasnodar]

Hotel Trud - I don't even know one. There are two guests behind the stadium, on the way to Victory Park. I am from that part of Kubanonaberezhnaya, I go there very often.

[Okolotochny]

If you go down from the hospital, on the left is the stadium, and on the right is a skyscraper of the 80s, in front of the backwater, there used to be a hotel. Called in my opinion "Trud". There is the Zaton embankment. On the other side, a little diagonally, was the submarine "Baby".

[Krasnodar]

High-rise buildings of the 80s on the other side of the Kubanonaberezhnaya - opposite the new elite houses, and the hotel you have in mind is called differently - opposite Rimar. Now there is Pyaterochka nearby, in the building of which there used to be a local network retailer, mowed down by Tabris)).

[d1975]

Yes, this hotel is a hundred years old for lunch))))

[Krasnodar]

Catherine's courtyard, like)).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnodar

I am also from the East, only the Middle

And what, were even born in Israel?

[Krasnodar]

No, in the 90s they piled from Moldova to Israel

[Maximilian37]

Are you hinting that the Jews will go back?

[Krasnodar]

Those who are tied to Russia by business are easy. The rest are not.

[Overlock]

Quote: Popandos

most of all Siberians and Far Easterners live in the Kuban now

In terms of migration, the Kuban is almost in the first place

[Krasnodar]

Climate, proximity to the sea, affordable housing prices

[aglet]

"So Russians are made up of Great Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians - in the Kuban"
not Ukrainians, venerable, but Little Russians. Ukrainians were recently withdrawn. and, in Russian, it is correct to write: on kuban, on Ukraine, etc. so the Ukrainians moved to the Kuban much later

[Krasnodar]

It is also correct - Little Russians, Great Russians, etc.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

The Zaporozhye Cossacks were not Bendera, since the city of Bender is located on the right bank of the Dnieper. And Bandera for the same reason. The Zaporozhye were not serfs of the landowners, so they could afford to move from Krasnodar to Alaska. And you watch a neo-Nazi, so sarcastically walked through the history of the Republic of Ingushetia.

[Krasnodar]

Zaporozhye Cossacks were not Bendera

Really?

since the city of Bender is located on the right bank of the Dnieper.

On the left bank of the Dniester, respectively: Only called - Bender

The Zaporozhye were not serfs of the landowners, so they could afford to move from Krasnodar to Alaska.

You probably had 5 in history school. Expand my horizons straight

And you watch a neo-Nazi, so sarcastically walked through the history of RI

No, I am an ultra-bomber-Narodnik, that is why I went through the history of the Republic of Ingushetia so sarcastically.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

First, there is the city of Bender, and there is the Ukrainian citizen Stepa Bandera. This is the difference. I am not broadening the horizon for you, I will remind you that in Russia there are zaporozhets or left-bank "us army." I like the way you go with a teapot, apparently the resentment is deeply rooted at the genetic level. Although offensive attacks on the citizens of the Russian Federation are not permissible.

[Krasnodar]

First, there is the city of Bender, and there is the Ukrainian citizen Stepa Bandera. This is the difference.

It’s like ... And I thought that the city of Bendery was named after the Stepa-Lover-Cats

I am not expanding the horizon for you, I remind you that in Russia there are zaporozhets or left-bank people "we are army"

Wee remind me? Danke!

I like the way you go with a teapot, apparently the resentment is deeply rooted at the genetic level.

Gennom, start with a teapot - is not Russian a native language?

Although offensive attacks on the citizens of the Russian Federation are not permissible.

I am a citizen of the Russian Federation. You called me neo-Nazi - litigation boom?

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

And that the citizens of the Russian Federation cannot be neo-Nazis? I didn’t name, I just asked. "Come on with a kettle" in the sense of boiling. You are citizens of the Russian Federation, called Bendera (as I understand it meant Bandera), and many relatives of Russian citizens fought against the Nazis. They also called the citizens of the Russian Federation living in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory Ukrainians who have never been Ukrainians, and this is a call to separatism. Going to sue?

[Krasnodar]

And that the citizens of the Russian Federation cannot be neo-Nazis?

Well, I'm not a neo-Nazi, but you called me that and I took it as an insult

I didn’t name, I just asked. "Come on with a kettle" in the sense of boiling.

Yes everything is OK

You are citizens of the Russian Federation, they called them Bendera (as I understood they meant Bandera), and many relatives of Russian citizens fought against the Nazis

What are the citizens of the Russian Federation? Cossacks from the monument to Catherine in Krasnodar? Rather, they were citizens of the Republic of Ingushetia.

They also called the citizens of the Russian Federation living in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory to Ukrainians

DID Ukrainians? Incitement of interethnic hatred, Ukrainians are equal citizens of the Russian Federation, and not an insult

who have never been Ukrainians,

Were the Zaporozhye Cossacks Tula? Or Vladimirtsy?

[and this is a call to separatism.

I called for the separation of the Kuban from the Russian Federation?

Going to sue?

Easily:
1) Insult in social networks (neo-Nazi);
2) Incitement of interethnic hatred;
3) Slander - "a call for separatism."
30-40 thousand + court costs + my representation

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

I like the way you go with a teapot, apparently the resentment is deeply rooted at the genetic level.

And what do you want to hear from the "ozetovets".

[Krasnodar]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

I like the way you go with a teapot, apparently the resentment is deeply rooted at the genetic level.

And what do you want to hear from the "ozetovets".

how is NATO doing there? Doesn't it turn sour?

[aglet]

"First, there is a city of Bender, and there is a Ukrainian citizen Stepa Bandera"
and here you are twice wrong: the city is Bendery, but the steppe has long been gone, they banged it, back in 1959, in Munich

[Krasnodar]

Modern Transnistria
And a certain Bogdan Stashinsky performed this mitzvah)).

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

Yes, I was mistaken in writing the city and Bandera was slammed. This is not the point. I know that the residents of the city of Bender are also offended, they have nothing to do with the Nazis, just like the residents of the Krasnodar Territory and those submitted by the Republic of Ingushetia from the beginning of the reign of Alexei Mikhailovich. Yes, there were those who collaborated with the Nazis, but name the nations who did not cooperate? And there are those who fought against the Nazis. Therefore, there is no need to hang a stigma on everyone, the criminals have no nationality. Contempt for Russian history, for its historical monuments, for what can people be called? Can you tell me? So that I am not mistaken further.

[Krasnodar]

Who did you see the contempt for Russian History, which you do not know? ))

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

Who knows? Well, tell us the connection between the Cossacks of the 18th century on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia and the gangs of Bandera of the 20th century. I do not see that the problems of the Cossacks overlap with the problems of the Banderaites. People who lived in Zaporozhye during WWII were also far from Bandera's problems, not to mention the Cossacks who have long been living on the territory of modern Russia. I will say more Ukrainian citizenship, not nationality, in order to be Ukrainian you must first obtain Ukrainian citizenship, which the Cossacks of the Kuban and Terek did not have. Well now your knowledge of history.

[Krasnodar]

Who knows? Well, tell us the connection between the Cossacks of the 18th century on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia and the gangs of Bandera of the 20th century

Sarcasm has nothing to do with history

I do not see that the problems of the Cossacks overlap with the problems of the Banderaites. People who lived in Zaporozhye during WWII were also far from Bandera's problems, not to mention the Cossacks who have long been living on the territory of modern Russia

For the Cossacks, the task was to obtain new lands as part of the expansion / development of the Russian Empire, for the Bandera - Ukrainian separatism, 2x2 = 4
My grandfather is from Zaporozhye, so I know everything about that period of the Second World War

More to say, Ukrainian is citizenship, not nationality, to be Ukrainian you must first obtain Ukrainian citizenship

But this is something new, unknown, unknown. A Ukrainian can be born in St. Petersburg or Vladivostok and even in Toronto and never visit Ukraine in his entire life.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

The last paragraph, is that also sarcasm? If people have not lived on the territory of modern Ukraine for more than 300 years, are they also Ukrainians? And nothing so that people moved and changed their names. And if you go deeper into the history of the Eastern Slavs,
then we learn that the Slavs were deliberately mixed from the losing city, they were resettled, for example, to Moscow, and from Moscow to the losing city. You can read the contemporary of the early 17th century Issac Massa (can you trust him?;)) Although I am not a historian, I open scanned copies of the original military volumes of the Republic of Ingushetia of the 19th century, and I read about the subjects of that time "Russians (of course Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians It turns out that the Ukrainians were not taken to the army of the Republic of Ingushetia, therefore, according to your statements. Unlike you, it is very far from Ukraine, by no line of kinship.

[Krasnodar]

No, not sarcasm. Ukrainian is a nationality that does not depend on citizenship. If dad is Ukrainian, mom is Ukrainian, then who is the child? ("And his dad is a dove" (c))

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

I know that many residents who did not enter Ukraine by their will were forced to write that they were Ukrainians, and were accordingly not satisfied. Who are they by their mother and father?
Here you are representatives of the Jewish nation, you are proud of your most ancient nation with a bunch of testimonies, if you were forcibly changed your name, would you be happy? I do not understand your banter. But I understand the inhabitants of the LPR and DPR.

[Krasnodar]

And if a person born in Moscow has a Ukrainian mother and father, and he enrolled in Ukrainian, then who is he?
Who said that Jews are the most ancient nation? Even in the Old Testament it is written that the first Jew appeared from an already existing city, which was inhabited by another people.
In the last post I wrote about Russian and, for example, Canadian Ukrainians.
What does my banter have to do with the role of the Cossacks in the founding of the Kuban, LPR and DPR? You are with yourself, to begin with, sort it out

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

And if the mother and father are Russian, they are recorded as Ukrainian, then what to do? I didn’t know that the nation was defined as it would be written in the passport. Jews from the existing first city, therefore, were the first to appear, it is logical. There was one people, the people who separated and went to Israel called themselves Jews, and the one who remained ukrami. According to your last paragraph. For me, a Cossack is a military class, roughly speaking, and not a nationality. I decided so for myself and do not doubt myself. Everything I said is fantasy and entertaining text, historical characters just coincide. ; ^)

[Krasnodar]

1) If in the city of Moscow a Russian father and mother registered the child as Ukrainian, then they must be checked with a specialist competent in the field of psychiatry.
2) Nationality is not indicated in the passports of the Russian Federation
3)

Jews from the existing first city, it means they were the first to appear, it is logical. There was one people, the people who separated and went to Israel called themselves Jews, and the one who remained ukrami. According to your last paragraph.

Who said that Ur of the Chaldees was the first city? You? He was neither the first, nor the largest, nor the most ancient And stop hurting ukrami
4) Cossack - formed on the territory MODERN Ukraine is a military estate, which consisted mainly of Little Russians, who are now called Ukrainians.
5) Yes, you are funny, I see

[ccsr]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

I know that many residents who did not enter Ukraine by their will were forced to write that they were Ukrainians, and were accordingly not satisfied. Who are they by their mother and father?

Moreover, my relatives changed their patronymic in Ukrainian passports, because there was no analogue in Ukrainian names. Such meanness could only be expected from Ukrainians - in Russia, even a Papuan will write down the name in the documents that he indicates, and no one will ever force him to change his native name and patronymic to someone else's, invented by the Ukrainian authorities in a tide of hatred for everything Russian. What kind of brothers are they to us, even if some consider themselves Russian, but at the same time hate Russia? So, rabble or foam against the background of the entire Russian world, which always appears in an era of upheavals in Russia.

[Overlock]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

The Zaporozhye Cossacks were not Bendera, since the city of Bender is located on the right bank of the Dnieper. And Bandera for the same reason.

"2" in history. "Bandera" are called not by the city, but by the ideological inspirer S. Bаndere

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

I know this even without you. You read the posts carefully, I’m writing to someone. And it turns out from a sore head to a healthy one.

[Overlock]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

And it turns out from a sore head to a healthy one.

Then read it yourself ... carefully

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

Zaporozhye Cossacks were not usedеNder people, since city BеNdera is located on the right bank of the Dnieper. And bаNder people for the same reason.

What does it mean?
Especially...

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

Yes I made a mistake in the writing of the city and Bandera banged.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

By Krasnodar

Ekaterina in the park opposite the Arbitration Court - she, Potemkin and the solid Bendera people laughing A

I answer him. It means that you find errors in mine, but he does not. Bendera are not Nazis, and not Zaporozhye, I am writing about this. And the Nazis are Banderites.

[Krasnodar]

How do you know, maybe I wrote about the followers of Ostap Bender?

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

It is not clear whether the Cossacks, whom Augusta sent to the Terek and Kuban rivers, lived in the second half of the 18th century. And Ostap, a literary hero at the beginning of the 20th century. So who is the follower of whom? I already suspect that the Cossacks used the almanac.

[Krasnodar]

And Bandera, who is a cat lover, was eliminated in the middle of the 20th, and?

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

Why banter? I know that you are a Jew, so you answer question after question. So I want to hear from you.

[Krasnodar]

I will put it differently - you are arguing about the historical reliability of frank banter and sarcasm

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

I see, so be it. But not very good sarcasm. If such sarcasm were like that about you, the noise would stand ... and they would be kicked out of the VO.

[Krasnodar]

I'm Krasnodar, actually)).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnodar

You will be in Krasnodar, be sure to see the monument to Catherine in the park opposite the Arbitration Court - she, Potemkin and solid Bendera

Look not there, the Banderites are not in Krasnodar in a public garden, but in Kiev, in parliament and in the government.

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

Look not there, the Banderaites are not in Krasnodar in a public garden, but in Kiev in

I do not agree, for the majority in VO Ukrainian = Bandera. The man reflected the mood

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnodar

she, Potemkin and solid Bendera people And if from there you turn to the square leading to Krasnaya Street, you will see a picture of the whole house - the Cossacks will draw lots of the Kuban Land

Don't destroy the aura! Many people need to know history, not emotion and fantasize

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Krasnodar

she, Potemkin and solid Bendera people And if from there you turn to the square leading to Krasnaya Street, you will see a picture of the whole house - the Cossacks will draw lots of the Kuban Land

Don't destroy the aura! Many people need to know history, not emotion and fantasize

Greetings!
People are always more comfortable to believe in what they want to believe

[shoroh]

You are not Krasnodar, but an ordinary Ukrainian Gaster on the Kuban land. There is no region more Russian than the Kuban! I will tell you this as a native Krasnodar in the 4th generation. Balachka and Mova are Orthodox languages. And today's Bandera are the servants of the devil and the West, who sold their souls for lace panties and dollars.

[HAM]

Vitaly, you haven't guessed a little, "Krasnodar" is a refugee from Israel, read his previous posts ... I have been living in the Kuban village for 60 years, no one here speaks "balachka", bad taste .... and antics with " we can only hear "and" balachkoy "on" Kazak FM ".....

[Krasnodar]

What village do you live in, if not a secret?

[ccsr]

Quote: HAM

. I have been living in the Kubanskaya stanitsa for 60 years, no one here speaks "balachka", bad taste

It so happened that many residents of Taman and Temryuk during the Soviet period for years went to Kerch on weekends to the market and traded agricultural products, fish, etc. from their cars. and they still do it, and there are a lot of mixed marriages. And I don’t remember that any of them once spoke Ukrainian or surzhik, but all spoke Russian. Moreover, many Kuban residents came to study in Kerch and other Crimean cities, just as Crimeans studied in Krasnodar and Novorossiysk, and no one spoke Ukrainian anywhere. So the refugee "Krasnodar" is lying about the Ukrainian language without blushing, which is not surprising - this has long been noticed behind him. By the way, since 2014 I have been traveling to Crimea all the time along the Don highway and through the Krasnodar Territory (I used to go through Kharkov) - I have never heard Ukrainian speech anywhere in the villages or at gas stations.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: shoroh

You are not Krasnodar, but an ordinary Ukrainian Gaster on the Kuban land. There is no region more Russian than the Kuban! I will tell you this as a native Krasnodar in the 4th generation. Balachka and Mova are Orthodox languages. And today's Bandera are the servants of the devil and the West, who sold their souls for lace panties and dollars.

A native Krasnodar in the 4th generation - cool, of course, but what relation the language has to a particular religion is not clear, especially since one of the most glorious and significant periods of its history, mostly atheists spoke Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian

[serezhasoldatow]

You carried a lot of nonsense, look at yourself.

[keeper03]

It would not be bad to remind the bourgeois about this!

[Fedor Sokolov]

We can say that this holiday has the most direct relation to me, because my ancestors on my father's side and Dad himself are from the Kuban, although I was born and live in Rostov, but I visit the homeland of my ancestors several times a year.

[rotmistr60]

Therefore, for the Natsiks, the monument to Catherine in Odessa is like a splinter in one place. They jump, jump, they want to demolish. But you can't get away from history. It is only in Ukraine that history is being created anew and for themselves. Happy holiday to all Russians!

[samarin1969]

“When Russia officially notified the European powers of the annexation of Crimea, only France protested. In response to the French protests, the President of the Collegium of Foreign Affairs, I.A. in 1768 ".

Then the Empire knew how to "convince" all sorts of macrons.

[Asad]

In the light of recent events, I have convinced you quite well now! Happy Holidays! Rested in 2016 in Sudak, rode along the coast, liked it!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: samarin1969

Then the Empire knew how to "convince" all sorts of macrons.

As Chancellor A.A. Bezborodko said. - "We have not a single cannon in Europe, could not fire without our permission."

[APASUS]

Well, it must be the same! And I still thought that the great ukrov had to be recaptured?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: APASUS

And I still thought that the great ukrov had to be recaptured?

These are the ones who, in 2014, quietly, quietly fled from Crimea to Kiev?

[aglet]

"And I still thought that the great ukrov had to be recaptured?"
there were no ukrov then, neither great nor small. they recently hatched

[hhurik]

They did not get out, but got started. Like worms.

[steelmaker]

What did I not see on the map of Ukraine?
The Finnish blogger shocked Facebook when he posted this article: "This is why half of the world owes Russia the coffin."
"Are you asking about the results of Russia's" aggression "? They are as follows: half of Europe and part of Asia received their statehood from the hands of Russia:
-Finland in 1802 and 1918 (until 1802 it never had its own state)
-Latvia in 1918 (never had before 1918)
-Estonia in 1918 (before 1918 never had)
-Lithuania restored the state in 1918.
-Poland restored the state with the help of Russia twice, in 1918 and 1945.
-Romania was born as a result of the Russian-Turkish wars, and became sovereign by the will of Russia in 1877-1878.
-Moldavia as a state was born within the USSR.
-Bulgaria was liberated and became independent as a result of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878. Now Bulgaria is a NATO member, and US bases are located on its territory. After 1945, there was not a single Russian soldier on its territory.
-Serbia was also born after the war of 1877-1878.
- Azerbaijan took shape for the first time only as part of the USSR
-Armenia was preserved and revived as part of the USSR
-Georgia, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Belarus, UKRAINE, everything, only as part of the USSR !!! And only in 1991 they also received their complete independence from Russia.
It is also worth considering the role of Russia-USSR in the birth and formation of such states as China, Vietnam, North Korea, India, Greece (was recaptured from the Turks in 1821), Algeria, Cuba, Israel, Angola, Mozambique ... ..
Such a strange "aggression" has historically manifested itself on the part of the Russians !!
Thanks to Suvorov, Switzerland achieved independence from France 217 years ago.
-Stalin's position in negotiations with the United States and England, which gave Germany the opportunity to preserve statehood after defeat in 1945.
-Gorbachev's position in 1990 to re-unite both Germany.
The entire history of Russia shows that it was one hundred percent consistent under any power and system in upholding the principles of the independence of nations. It was she who in every possible way helped the creation of a multipolar world in any era and at all times.
That is why half of the world owes Russia the grave. And that's why all of you are so guilty before this great country. "

[Oleg Aviator]

It is necessary to show this map to the Bandera creeps more often.

[d1975]

I read comets, well, ekperdy ... What was the essence of the article? And the conclusions of those who do not live here are simply amazing !!! Stop dividing us! We are all Russians here and were them, the descendants of the Kuban Cossacks. And we also speak Balakayi.

[petrol cutter]

Wow. What kind of holivors rushed ...
From a seemingly simple and not intricate article ...
Vaughn drew a map for you. This is generally Turkey.