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Silent mobility and reduced thermal signature: US Army intelligence units want to equip with electric vehicles

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The Pentagon is considering the possibility of equipping intelligence units with relatively light electric vehicles. Such vehicles are ultimately planned to be executed in an armored version so that it is possible to perform tasks, including in direct combat conditions.


The designers have already proposed several options for further development. The current priority concept is that an electric vehicle for reconnaissance units will have a mass of up to 3,6 tons and can carry a payload of up to 2 tons.

The armored electric vehicle is planned to be equipped with an MK-19 grenade launcher and an M2 .50BMG machine gun (12,7 × 99 m). An option is being considered with the armament of an electric vehicle with Javelin anti-tank missile systems.

It was noted that an electric vehicle could become a priority variant of an armored vehicle for reconnaissance units due to the fact that "it is less visible in the infrared range." This characteristic is considered as the basis for stealth and less vulnerability to missiles with homing heads.

One of the customer's requirements, which is the US Department of Defense, is this: an electric armored car must be airborne. Also, the car must be "amenable" to transportation by air on special slings - using a helicopter.

From the requirements:

The design should reduce the likelihood of being seen or heard while moving or stationary in surveillance mode. Silent mobility and reduced thermal signature should be ensured.

The program to equip the intelligence units of the US Army is part of a larger project - the conversion of American tactical and combat vehicles to electricity. This program is planned to be finalized this summer.
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  1. Mitroha
    Mitroha April 18 2021 09: 21
    +3
    Not a good idea. Not only is it rare to stumble upon an outlet in reconnaissance raids. So still any hit in the battery 100% death of the crew, not from fire, but poisoning with gases released during the ignition of lithium, for example. As far as Tesla does not participate in battles, it periodically ignites out of the blue. And what will happen if this pepelats catches fire at night at a military base?
    1. xorek
      xorek April 18 2021 09: 31
      0
      Electric stations, though they need to be built everywhere where they want to fight .. he he
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 18 2021 10: 05
      -1
      Teslas burn at times less often than conventional cars if you take 100 thousand cars
      Yes, and it is unlikely that after the car ignites, the scouts will remain breathing gases, they do not expect an explosion of gasoline on a car with an internal combustion engine?
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 18 2021 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: Mitroha
      in reconnaissance raids, you rarely stumble upon an outlet.

      In our territories, that's for sure! And even if there is an outlet, there will be no voltage, or the outlet will be "of the wrong system" or it will not accept their payment card and in the end the refueller will "go to lunch"!
      1. xorek
        xorek April 18 2021 11: 47
        -2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: Mitroha
        in reconnaissance raids, you rarely stumble upon an outlet.

        In our territories, that's for sure! And even if there is an outlet, there will be no voltage, or the outlet will be "of the wrong system" or it will not accept their payment card and in the end the refueller will "go to lunch"!

        Or it will be electrocuted, so that the armored car will turn red, and the driver's hair will stand on end and not only the hair, but also the levers will start to confuse)))))
    4. Maikcg
      Maikcg April 18 2021 13: 50
      0
      Great idea! For our opponents, let them do it, but more.
  2. Tusv
    Tusv April 18 2021 09: 22
    +2
    Not great. Electric cars weigh. Up to the beach with a breeze, beauty. But we can only offer the Americans luxurious houses on the sunny shores of the North Ocean with a view of their native continent.
  3. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 18 2021 09: 26
    +1
    well, what is the power reserve of this miracle and how much do the batteries weigh?
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk April 18 2021 09: 35
      +3
      Quote: Ryaruav
      well, what is the power reserve of this miracle and how much do the batteries weigh?

      And they will stick solar panels on them and wind generators! yes
      And you can also force the crew to pedal! repeat
  4. knn54
    knn54 April 18 2021 09: 31
    +1
    Heat, frost, mud, water - here electric cars give way to conventional ones with internal combustion engines or diesel engines.
    The cost, including operation, is higher. And if hundreds of kilometers are desert, taiga and more than one "socket"?
    Hybrid can still be understood ..
  5. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 18 2021 09: 34
    +3
    Rather, we are talking about hybrid cars. Where the internal combustion engine is the generator of electricity, the electric motors (motor-wheel) are the main engines. This system has many advantages. The internal combustion engine operates in optimal cycles, which increases its service life and reduces fuel consumption. The machines have a huge number of energy consumers, radars, energy weapons, optoelectronic complexes, electronic warfare systems, communication systems, etc. Batteries with a large capacity are needed to power them when minimum noise is needed. And the constantly working classic internal combustion engines gobble up their motor resource. In general, such a hybrid is more compact and simpler than classical schemes, there are no complex gearboxes, hand-outs, etc. Yes, and they are more powerful, electric motors give out huge torque, on Belaz it is such a system that is needed for heavy armored vehicles.
    The main disadvantage is the high price.

    1. Antidote
      Antidote April 18 2021 09: 49
      +1
      The motor-wheel is too heavy for vehicles, there are many unsprung masses. And there are hybrids, for example e-power.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 18 2021 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Rather, we are talking about hybrid cars. Where the internal combustion engine is the generator of electricity, the electric motors (motor-wheel) are the main engines. This system has many advantages. The internal combustion engine operates in optimal cycles, which increases its service life and reduces fuel consumption. The machines have a huge number of energy consumers, radars, energy weapons, optoelectronic complexes, electronic warfare systems, communication systems, etc. Batteries with a large capacity are needed to power them when minimum noise is needed. And the constantly working classic internal combustion engines gobble up their motor resource. In general, such a hybrid is more compact and simpler than classical schemes, there are no complex gearboxes, hand-outs, etc. Yes, and they are more powerful, electric motors give out huge torque, on Belaz it is such a system that is needed for heavy armored vehicles.
      The main disadvantage is the high price.


      We are talking specifically about hybrids, electric motors. turns on when the enemy is close, for example. Well, and the price - so they draw money themselves, what is their price?
  6. Mitroha
    Mitroha April 18 2021 09: 42
    +2
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    And constantly working classic internal combustion engines gobble up their motor resource

    Battery depletes its resource even faster, is a source of increased danger, in contrast to, for example, a diesel internal combustion engine operating in normal modes. And what is typical, they still require fuel.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 18 2021 10: 05
      +2
      The Germans said "buy-by-by" to their famous invention - the diesel.
      The production of diesel engines for passenger cars has already been discontinued, and production will soon be discontinued
      diesel trucks, buses, etc.
      And with a gasoline engine - the same trend.
      Germany is switching to electric cars.
      1. Vovk
        Vovk April 18 2021 10: 15
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Germans said "buy-by-by" to their famous invention - the diesel.
        The production of diesel engines for passenger cars has already been discontinued, and production will soon be discontinued
        diesel trucks, buses, etc.
        And with a gasoline engine - the same trend.
        Germany is switching to electric cars.

        Stupidity, despite the warming climate, Germany is not in the desert - there are frosts! And to remind you what happened to electric cars in Texas when frosts came for 2 weeks?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 18 2021 10: 19
          -3
          Tessel has a thermal control of batteries, so the weather is great for them and minus 30
          1. Vovk
            Vovk April 18 2021 10: 30
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Tessel has a thermal control of batteries, so the weather is great for them and minus 30

            Tesla in Texas on the first day of frost was just for fun and everything became. The people in Texas then started to rent gasoline cars en masse.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 18 2021 11: 59
              -5
              I have the opposite information that Tesla warmed up remarkably. Yes, and leaving them is not a problem
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 April 18 2021 10: 38
            +6
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Tessel has a thermal control of batteries, so the weather is great for them and minus 30

            "Thermal control of batteries" - is it such a strong mask sorcery? Around each Tesla, Musk draws a pentagram, and then, properly high, dances there, invoking the blessings of the Spirit of Fraudulent Electricity on his product, right?
            Well, in our boring world, this very thermal control is the discharge of batteries for self-heating. The cocktail stood a little longer, and there is no more charge - all went into the heater, can you imagine? How enticing it is to live in the world without understanding school physics! Around miracles, magic, witchcraft and shamanism ...
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 18 2021 12: 00
              -3
              Well, think how much you can heat a car with a 50-100 kW battery?
              This is 50-100 hours of kilowatt heater
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 April 18 2021 12: 35
                0
                I'm not used to thinking! Come on, I think, I would, firstly, realize that it is not the car that needs to be heated, but the battery compartment. Since Musk is not an engineer but a crook, as a battery compartment he has such a low, low niche under the floor of the car, where there are small Chinese-made batteries. They stand tightly, huddle together in hundreds. nor can you really use thermal insulation - the battery is also not good from the heat, they are so delicate.
                And secondly, batteries have a limited number of charge-discharge cycles. And while the car is stationary, the thermal control is consuming their resource at an accelerated pace. Such is the story with frosts. She, of course, is not included in Tesla's advertising brochures)
                This is far from all the amusing I have listed. Since assembling an electric car is a snap, for the first time they appeared as a car - electric cars. And then the engineers abandoned them en masse. They were stupid. Not like now, when smart people rule - financiers and managers ...
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona April 18 2021 12: 37
                  0
                  There are no fans, they are in a special liquid, which acts as water cooling in the heat and with the help of it they heat.
                  1. Mikhail3
                    Mikhail3 April 18 2021 14: 48
                    +1
                    I looked. Well, yes, you are right. 4kW is consumed by such a heating system. What a victory, however) In general, the unit is itself. What I wrote about. The density of the coolant (air or liquid) does not affect the terminals.
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona April 18 2021 16: 46
                      0
                      4kw when starting in frost with full heating of the passenger compartment, after warming up the power drops dramatically, if you also need to heat the battery without the passenger compartment much less, the costs are also lower in motion, since the efficiency of the electric motor and battery is still not 100%>
                      1. Mikhail3
                        Mikhail3 April 19 2021 09: 23
                        0
                        4KW is used to warm up the battery compartment. I understand that your life will never be the same, but ... In general, when moving, the battery compartment does not need to be heated at all, can you imagine? The battery generates enough heat at full load. Don't get involved in a technical debate at this level of literacy. Well, school physics passed you by, so don't try to pretend to be Niels Bohr ...
                      2. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona April 19 2021 09: 53
                        +1
                        4 kW is enough to warm the whole car in minus 30 in the parking lot. winked And do not keep the temperature in the battery compartment around zero
              2. ironic
                ironic April 18 2021 17: 07
                0
                With a lithium battery, charge-discharge cycles are not a criterion for wear. And adaptive charging algorithms tied to temperature indicators, back in the early 2000s, I took part in the development of such for the military.
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 April 19 2021 09: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: ironic
                  adaptive charging algorithms linked to temperature indicators,

                  That is, you want to say that adaptive algorithms run around the battery with a saw and shout - we are adaptive! You kirdyk !! And if these algorithms are really adaptive, will the battery last forever? Does a developer of advanced systems have such a mess in their mouth? Did you publish a wall newspaper there?
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 19 2021 19: 37
                    -1
                    I was there ... I published a scientific article with co-authors, at one time in the Motorola-megazine. I repeat once again, low temperatures harm lithium cells and significantly reduce the charge, but charge-discharge cycles are not a criterion for the wear of lithium cells.
                    1. Mikhail3
                      Mikhail3 April 20 2021 08: 50
                      +1
                      You wrote
                      With a lithium battery, charge-discharge cycles are not a criterion for wear. And adaptive charging algorithms tied to temperature indicators
                      I repeat after you. The battery is harmed by adaptive charging algorithms. Did you write the article? You're delusional ...
                    2. ironic
                      ironic April 20 2021 13: 28
                      -4
                      You are delusional. Charging cycles do not harm the lithium cells at all, they harm the charging temperatures. It is they that lead to wear of the working fluid of the battery.
                    3. Genry
                      Genry April 20 2021 16: 22
                      0
                      Quote: ironic
                      Charging cycles do not harm the lithium cells at all, they harm the charging temperatures.

                      And tell us how the temperature affects the charging and discharging processes.
                      When abstracting from temperature, it is clear that uneven destruction-build-up of the active layer of the electrodes occurs, which leads to the degeneration of the chemical composition of the material and the creation of conductive paths (short circuits) between the electrodes, i.e. two harmful processes.
                    4. ironic
                      ironic April 20 2021 17: 03
                      -3
                      Too low and too high leads precisely to the degeneration of the material due to the sharp temperature surges caused by the charging current. You can say it dries up. This also occurs from recharge cycles at the optimal temperature, which determines the life of the battery, because it gradually loses its capacity precisely because of this degradation, and not because of the number of recharge cycles, but in extreme temperature conditions this happens much faster. In addition, there are limitations in which the battery will either ignite from too high a temperature, or be physically irreparably damaged if it is too low, for this there are disconnecting elements in the charging circuit and charging with a low current when the charge falls below the minimum. Therefore, it is precisely adaptive charging algorithms that are used, especially for military needs. While the exact calculation of the charge in the control chip had not yet been integrated into the batteries, the algorithm was carried out entirely by the charger controller.
                    5. Genry
                      Genry April 20 2021 17: 24
                      0
                      Quote: ironic
                      degeneration of the material due to sharp temperature surges caused by the charging current. You can say it dries up.

                      Is the material drying out?
                      Maybe an electrolyte?
                      But he is a gel and does not dry out at all (we are looking at lithium titanate - 50 years)
                      Quote: ironic
                      In addition, there are restrictions under which the battery will either ignite from too high a temperature,

                      What cause of ignition does the temperature create, because it is much lower than the combustion temperature of materials ...?
                      Maybe this is, after all, KZ? Due to the formation of built-up bridges (from uneven recovery processes on the electrodes), which grow as the cycles increase.
                    6. ironic
                      ironic April 20 2021 17: 41
                      -2
                      And this is not the material of the working fluid? Of course, this is a gel and it dries up, losing its maximum charge capacity. It is recommended not to try to charge a battery that has lost 90% of its capacity.
                      A temperature breakdown can also be carried out on a completely new battery.
                    7. Genry
                      Genry April 20 2021 17: 59
                      0
                      Quote: ironic
                      A temperature breakdown can also be carried out on a completely new battery.

                      This is if you recharge. Overvoltage even the capacitor will break through and it will explode or ignite.
                      Quote: ironic
                      Of course, this is a gel and it dries up, losing its maximum charge capacity.

                      Why do lithium-ion ones have a period of up to 5 years, while titanate ones do not have a limit of 50 years?
                      Does the electrolyte dry in different ways?


                      In short: you obviously do not know the subject of discussion.
                      You have directions on what to write, but take a step back and you enter ...
                    8. ironic
                      ironic April 20 2021 20: 39
                      -3
                      No, not overvoltage, namely temperature, therefore, when a certain temperature is exceeded, charging stops.
                      Lithiums are different, usually three years is a good time.
                      No, I just debugged, I described the algorithm by which this is done and it was published, it has worked almost to this day in the Israeli army communications system, including on Merkava tanks, and you just throw everything and invent something there. Generally not knowing about the temperature limits for charging lithium cells is strange.
                    9. Genry
                      Genry April 20 2021 22: 18
                      0
                      Quote: ironic
                      therefore, when a certain temperature is exceeded, charging stops.

                      You can say this about nickel-cadmium and the like. There, if you skip the "characteristic hump", then warming up begins.
                      In lithium_with_that, everything is limited by the range of permitted voltages and corresponding currents. If you do not violate it, then there can be no overheating (if short circuit does not appear).
                      Quote: ironic
                      Lithiums are different, usually three years is a good time.

                      Lithium-ion batteries last up to 1000 full discharge-charge cycles, but no more than 5 years. They lose power at low temperatures.
                      Iron phosphate up to 4000 cycles minimum 10 years.
                      There is lithium titanate - but it's too difficult for you.

                      Quote: ironic
                      Generally not knowing about the temperature limits for charging lithium cells is strange.

                      Temperatures do not indicate the state of charge of the battery.
                      An increase in temperature can be associated with poor heat dissipation or overshooting.

                      You set up your army. Your incompetent application of lithium-ion cells is just a "cut". It would be better to leave acidic lead.
                    10. ironic
                      ironic April 21 2021 17: 05
                      -1
                      No, it depends on the ambient temperature and ventilation, Nickel-Cadmium in itself and Nickel-Metal has a residual charge "memory". Lithium-Ions do not have, therefore, the number of recharge cycles does not directly affect wear, it affects exactly how much the gel has warmed up. 1000 half charge cycles can affect less than 500 full charge, and it is precisely because of how long the charge lasted for the maximum current that determines the warm-up. I have not personally dealt with Lithium-titanium, so I will not discuss, as well as I will not answer your low-standard stuffing on the fan, who and what is too difficult. Game has been written about power from the point of view of understanding physical quantities. At low temperatures, Lithium-Ion loses charge, not power. Temperature does affect the state of charge of Lithium-Ion, and this is easily proved by such a simple concept as a scientific experiment, of which I have conducted hundreds in the laboratories of Motorola. You do not know what competence is and even in physical terms you are confused. And you better not stutter about money at all, because what a cut on orders from Russia is, I know not by hearsay, as I had to deal with in any way. Your military subcontractors often order server boards overseas. wink
                    11. Genry
                      Genry April 21 2021 18: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: ironic
                      Nickel-Cadmium in itself and Nickel-Metal has a residual charge "memory"

                      The "amateur" is immediately visible. So I thought that you would bring a myth about "memory" here. There is no memory, there is a drop in voltage, which the equipment perceives as a "dead battery". A light bulb in a rechargeable flashlight does not notice this effect.
                      Now the level of your professionalism is concretely visible.
                      Quote: ironic
                      They do not have lithium-ion, so the number of recharge cycles does not directly affect wear, it affects exactly how much the gel has warmed up.

                      Nonsense! The heating is influenced by the internal resistance, which through the current gives the heating power. Do not exceed the recommended charging current (usually 0,5C) and you will only have a warm battery charging. But even a warm one will explode if you recharge it above the permissible voltage.
                      And chemical processes with the growth of "stalactites" determine the maximum number of cycles. But you don't know about chemistry.
                      Quote: ironic
                      1000 half charge cycles may affect less than 500 full

                      It is sensitive to acidic batteries.
                      How did you put everything together, and the temperature and fullness of charge - for different types of batteries. But you deny the number of cycles.
                      Have you even read the instructions about lithium?
                      Charge temperature plays a negligible role compared to simple storage at elevated temperatures (unused cells are best stored in the refrigerator at half charge).
                      Quote: ironic
                      At low temperatures, Lithium-Ion loses charge, not power.

                      It does not lose its charge - the rate of the chemical reaction slows down and the current strength drops.
                      Did you teach chemistry at school?
                      Quote: ironic
                      You do not know what competence is and even in physical terms you are confused.

                      General words .. Why not be specific? Because it immediately hits the hot spot.
                      You haven't developed anything - just try!
                      Quote: ironic
                      And you better not stutter about money at all, because I know what a cut on orders from Russia is not by hearsay, as I had to deal with in any way.

                      Throw away your training manual - Russia has the lowest prices for military products, which indicate the level of cutting.
                      Quote: ironic
                      Your military subcontractors often order server boards abroad.

                      In Russia, the military does not order anything abroad. What is "military acceptance", you have not heard - when at each stage of production there is a check by the military representative.
                      There are processors (well-known - Elbrus, Baikal,) and there are assemblers of products.
                      So again, la-la.
                    12. ironic
                      ironic April 21 2021 19: 42
                      -2
                      Here you are such a pro, it's not about the tension, but about the charge. That's the whole level of your professionalism, the light bulb notices when the charge is over and a child can see it.

                      You write nonsense. The charging current cannot be exceeded, it is limited by the charging algorithm. Is it possible to exceed the maximum permissible temperature with a limited maximum current? Yes you can. You don’t even know what is the usual maximum charge current for fast charging. It's never 0.5C. You will charge it like this for a hundred years. Indeed, I haven't studied chemistry for a long time, although I once knew it well, but physics is well-known here. The number of cycles does not determine the wear of the Lithium-Ion. You don't know that.

                      I'm talking specifically to you about Lithium-Ion. I wrote instructions for them. If you have ever used Motorola devices with lithium cells, then the text of the instructions for charging them, at one time, was coordinated with the participation of the group in which I worked. Of course, storage at elevated temperatures will have an impact, but this only confirms what I wrote about charging, cycles and temperature effects, and not what you wrote. In no case should Lithium-Ion be stored in the refrigerator, it is best to store them at room temperature and low humidity.

                      He taught both at school and in the first year of the Polytechnic University. Is the current decreasing? It generally depends on the consumer; there may be no current consumption at all. And it is the charge that falls. You write nonsense.

                      I am writing specifically. You even get caught on a cold one, you do not know the physical quantities and where the current flows. You are the theoretician of sour cabbage soup, not a pro.

                      Yes, yes, low, when you do garbage, then the prices are junk, and as you undertake to do things, the prices soar to the skies and cut accordingly.

                      Yes, yes, we all know about processors and about their performance and about the rate of their technical process and about experience in designing printed circuit boards. You are the same theoretician here as in where your current flows.
                    13. Genry
                      Genry April 22 2021 03: 21
                      +1
                      I really hoped for your adequacy - but I have to draw the following conclusions:
                      You cannot connect the causes and effects of events in both technology and politics - there is no critical thinking.
                      You simply routinely draw knowledge from memory, while not at all evaluating their sources of receipt and without checking their consistency and reliability.
                      You, apparently, have some kind of disease that restricts your brain activity and, as a result, you do not have enough IQ to understand the elementary - that you need to insert quotes, and then write related answers.
                    14. ironic
                      ironic April 24 2021 23: 30
                      -2
                      You cannot hope for adequacy, as you write inappropriate posts. You do not know and do not understand the terms you are crawling with, therefore your passages of a pseudo-scientific sense do not make sense, you are also familiar with the science of logic only by hearsay, i.e. somewhere heard the sounds of "causation", maybe in a dream. You don’t even have routine knowledge of electricity and you don’t even get it, you don’t even have it and everything is here. You are also an arrogant type, talking about clinical matters without being a doctor. I have no time to lay out your quotations, I answered point by point, but I am not going to answer to impudent illiterate types at all. Backed away from me. You are such an impudent person.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 21 2021 09: 47
      0
      Stop chatting with the bot) He's talking nonsense. Well, where does this nonsense fit - the battery does not wear out from charging cycles, but from the fact that its temperature changes DURING CHARGING CYCLES. Because of this, the battery "dries". Be it a man, the very moment to add big ears to him. What are the problems to make a hermetic bank? So as not to dry? And get an eternal battery. If the tightness is not enough, then the battery will die anyway, since DURING CHARGING CYCLES it loses part of the working mass irreversibly. But the charging cycles have nothing to do with it! Nafig this nonsense ...
    3. ironic
      ironic April 21 2021 17: 14
      -2
      You are talking nonsense to Vizde, but it doesn’t bother you, just as it doesn’t stop you from flaming, offtopic and throwing it on the fans. You are illiterate in the topic, so you do not know that the Lithium-Ion does not wear out directly from the recharge cycles, this is only an indirect factor. Indeed, there are no perpetual motion machines, but the main reasons why Lithium-Ions wear out mainly after 3 years of operation, I have named correctly. And your flame is just rubbish. Think of a germisle better. The result will be an item the size of your panties and at the same price as Pierre Cardin. And in real technology, a chip is installed that measures the charge and a thermal sensor, and the same chip simply controls the adaptive charging algorithm, which monitors the maximum current and the heating temperature. If the charge is less than 10% (as a rule) or the voltage at the terminals is less than a certain minimum, charging with operating currents is cut off and recharging with a low current is carried out, followed by a return to charging with operating currents. Do not meddle with something that you have no practical idea, theorists of sour cabbage soup in the world and without you enough.
  7. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 21 2021 09: 42
    0
    Good to drive nonsense! It's not funny anymore. Oh, it came. This is another bot. Something more and more of you. People! Ouch !! Are you still here? This typewritten nonsense is somehow uncomfortable to talk to, she's too crazy.
  8. ironic
    ironic April 21 2021 17: 49
    -2
    That's just not necessary to pose as a fool of the forum. Do not climb with your flame where you do not understand what it is about. And at the same time, do not carry a blizzard that bots are capable of writing such posts based on primitive AI.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 18 2021 12: 19
    +2
    "Stupidity, despite the warming climate" ///
    ---
    Perhaps stupidity. I will not argue.
    But the decision has already been made.
    And the largest German manufacturers are switching to electric cars.
    Followed by Japan and China.
    Tesla blew up the automotive industry.
    Dramatically accelerated the transition of the market to electro.
    1. Vovk
      Vovk April 18 2021 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Tesla blew up the automotive industry.
      Dramatically accelerated the transition of the market to electro.

      Well, in practice, here is a map of charging stations for electric vehicles in Kharkov.
      https://hevcars.com.ua/ukraine-charging-stations/kharkov/
      So, now the operation of electric cars in the form of a taxi has shown that only in May-September it is more or less possible to use an electric car ... then they put everything on a joke. This is not theory, but practice.
    2. Genry
      Genry April 20 2021 16: 27
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Tesla blew up the automotive industry.

      This is from zero, until the price of lithium has risen and there is enough electricity.
  • ironic
    ironic April 18 2021 17: 03
    -3
    This is not stupidity, this is politics. And not only German.
    The mileage on one charge will be reduced by 30-40%, charging will be possible only in heated garages. Petrol rescue and cleaning equipment will be installed.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 18 2021 10: 37
    0

    voyaka uh (Alexey)
    Today, 10: 05
    NEW ... Germany moves to electric cars.
    Did the Germans tell you this themselves, or is it your jokes? wassat Or is a sharp climate warming to constant above-zero temperatures expected? Why would they then need gas from SV-2? Huh? your stuffing has already become the norm of your lies. fool
    1. ironic
      ironic April 18 2021 16: 30
      -3
      Throwing your stupidity has already become the norm, not only of your stupidity. But you will fix your running line with a grunt.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 18 2021 10: 43
    +2
    Germany is switching to electric cars.
    By introducing another stage of energy conversion into the chain of its receipt, the Germans lose about 30% for redistribution. That is, moving a kilogram of cargo will cost them 30% (minimum) more than everyone else who does not toil with foolishness. If the German economy can handle this, let it pull. But this, to put it mildly, is not an achievement. It's called in a completely different way))
    1. ironic
      ironic April 18 2021 16: 56
      -3
      Well, you got excited. There are some losses, but there are also benefits.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 18 2021 10: 32
    +3
    That is, the war is calculated by them for a maximum of a week. Based on the fact that their units are capable of maintaining combat readiness in a combat situation for no more than two weeks - just with a reasonable margin.
    Batteries in war conditions very quickly, in a matter of days, lose their performance. And after a half-hour trip, you will have to look behind enemy lines not for a bucket of diesel fuel, but for a bag with alternating current. Or with a permanent one? It's harder ...
    Peacetime War. Idiotic "innovations" intended for the drank of the military budget, not for the war. However, this is their business ...
    1. ironic
      ironic April 18 2021 16: 57
      -2
      Or maybe you imagine a war that will never be, but there will be completely different wars ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 18 2021 10: 34
    +3
    Judging by the rating on the comments on the site, "greens" settled, and even praying for the United States (corrected within the limits of the possible).
    Silent mobility and reduced thermal signature must be ensured
    The signature is, of course, an important thing, but even without an internal combustion engine at night, a car can be detected by other signs. And about charging, many wrote correctly, or will they carry spare batteries on the trailer with them?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 18 2021 10: 53
      +2

      rotmistr60 (Gennady)
      Today, 10: 34
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      Judging by the rating on the comments on the site, the "greens" have settled and even praying in the USA (corrected as possible).
      There are such and such! bully whatever the Merikatos do, or plan to do - it couldn't be better))! Or are they paid extra after these wishes?
    2. Mitroha
      Mitroha April 18 2021 11: 06
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      Judging by the rating on the comments on the site, the "green" settled, and even praying in the United States

      Never mind. Some saw the word Tesla and got excited, although this is something completely different. But they don't care wink
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 18 2021 12: 39
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The signature is, of course, an important thing, but even without an internal combustion engine at night, a car can be detected by other signs

      Well, you also say that nowadays they are looking for military equipment with complex analyzers, in which the main level is generally a radar! Such speeches very, very much exceed the intellectual level of Elon Musk's enthusiastic audience, so you will not get recognition)
      1. ironic
        ironic April 18 2021 17: 15
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        And they run exclusively after each car with radar and complex analysis ...
    4. ironic
      ironic April 18 2021 17: 09
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      Why spare? There are already results with> 500 km of continuous travel, including over the intersection.
    5. ironic
      ironic April 18 2021 17: 13
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      A lot of things are possible, but one parameter less is better, no?
    6. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko April 18 2021 21: 17
      +3
      If the cars are not hybrid, then the diesel generator must be transported on a trailer.
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 April 18 2021 11: 56
    -4
    What such intelligence with a cowardly organism negative
    These will print pieces of paper and put in a sofa / joystick / rocket laughing
    1. ironic
      ironic April 18 2021 17: 10
      -3
      Heroes only go to one country, right?
  • Irbiz123
    Irbiz123 April 19 2021 16: 22
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    an electric armored vehicle must be airborne. Also, the car must "succumb" to transportation by air on special slings - using a helicopter

    I'm afraid to ask - how much will such an Akhtamabil weigh protection + batteries?
    1. Genry
      Genry April 20 2021 16: 41
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      You probably haven't figured out how to answer correctly.
      You need to under the selected comment to the answer, click "Reply", then select the text and click "Quote" (next to "Reply").

      Then there will be a binding; the name to whom you are answering; arrow of fast transition.