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In the Polish press: After 2014, neither the United States nor Ukraine itself has consulted with Poland on the Ukrainian issue

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The Polish press publishes material in which attention is drawn to the following detail. The Russian Foreign Ministry, speaking of sanctions and the expulsion of diplomats, named two countries: the United States and Poland.


Observer Jenzhey Bilecki writes in the large Polish edition Rzeczpospolita that Russia is reacting to Polish policy towards itself, which (politics) for more than 10 years does not imply, in fact, any serious contacts between countries. Biletsky believes that the level of relations between Warsaw and Moscow has dropped after the tragic incident with the Polish plane number 1 near Smolensk, and since then Poland is ready to be one of the first to support any anti-Russian steps.

From the article:

The Kremlin has long been trying to isolate our country, to convince the West that it is a country ruled by radicals, which should not affect relations between the EU, NATO and Russia. And this strategy is bearing fruit for Russia. After 2014, neither the United States nor Ukraine itself has consulted with Warsaw on the Ukrainian issue. Poland failed to become a member of the Normandy format.

The author notes that many NATO countries, despite the often used anti-Russian rhetoric, are looking for contacts with Moscow, trying to find common ground. Biletsky writes that even the United States is doing this - for example, by interacting with Russia on Afghanistan, Iran, or in the format of the START III treaty.

From the article:

Germany is not giving up on the construction of Nord Stream 2, Italian business continues to work in Russia, Macron speaks of the need to reset relations with Moscow. All this allows many NATO countries not to completely close the door in relations with Russia.

According to the Polish observer, only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all.
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  1. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk April 17 2021 20: 01
    +20
    Well, the hyena of Europe is a hyena!
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 17 2021 20: 15
      +2
      Until the second brother leaves for the first, everything will be dull and boring.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha April 17 2021 21: 30
        +3
        I did not understand the message of the article and the words of this person. Statements of relevance? So without him in the know. Speech for the sake of speech? Why do we need this?
        1. venik
          venik April 17 2021 22: 57
          +5
          Quote: Mitroha
          I did not understand the message of the article and the words of this person. ....... Speech for Speech?

          =======
          Well, the speech is not simple, but salted! How can it be without her? And it just squeezed a little ... It's a shame, you know! lol drinks
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 18 2021 09: 27
          -1
          Quote: Mitroha
          I did not understand the message of the article and the words of this person. Statements of relevance? So without him in the know. Speech for the sake of speech? Why do we need this?

          This is a speech for Polish readers, not VO, it was just published here ...
          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha April 18 2021 09: 38
            0
            What will Polish readers learn from this? Improve your reading fluency?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 18 2021 09: 45
              0
              Quote: Mitroha
              What will Polish readers learn from this?

              That at least the local Foreign Ministry needs to pursue a more thoughtful and realistic foreign policy with both the United States and Ukraine ...
              Improve your reading fluency?

              Well, if this article is not interesting to the readers of the media, then the more so in Russia ...
              Personally, I am more interested in the foreign policy of the Russian Federation ...
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    2. hirurg
      hirurg April 17 2021 20: 24
      +10
      They shit, shit, and now it seems like the resentment can be traced in the text.
      The countries of the European Union seem to be trying this way and that, and they seem to have options.
      And we, selfless Poles, worked for Uncle Sam, and the exhaust is not expected, and the bridges are burned, and we are not consulted ..
      But because you are working for an uncle, .. spitting on an aunt, even two aunts, the aunt will zero the uncle in potency.)))
      And you will be left without work.))
      1. veritas
        veritas April 17 2021 20: 49
        +5
        Quote: hirurg
        They shit, shit, and now it seems like the resentment can be traced in the text.

        And who are they to consult with them.
        1. hirurg
          hirurg April 17 2021 21: 00
          +4
          No, well, they are with increased self-esteem. Even with habits of exclusivity. Rzhach Podstelitnaya is sometimes commemorated.)))
          And phantom pains do not let go.
          And this, I can tell you ... just torture, especially in combination with the refusal of pain relief.
        2. Revolver
          Revolver April 17 2021 21: 15
          +1
          Weird Poles with the letter M. But who will ask them? It's like the CEO consulted with the security guard at the checkpoint.
      2. Labrador
        Labrador April 17 2021 21: 32
        +1
        only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all.


        She took a position that, in the end, will leave Poland with a nose. And the rest will somehow agree.
    3. xorek
      xorek April 18 2021 07: 58
      0
      Quote: LIONnvrsk
      Well, the hyena of Europe is a hyena!

      Straight off the tongue! good In fact, it is, Cherchel was 100% right. What to talk to the Poles about? One whining and Russophobic arrogance ..
      We will still remember the desecration of the graves of Soviet soldiers .. soldier
  2. Alien From
    Alien From April 17 2021 20: 02
    +9
    Few Poles were beaten, few am
    1. xorek
      xorek April 18 2021 08: 09
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      Few Poles were beaten, few am

      I agree, they tried to reeducate and appease them after the Second World War, but ...
      During their history, they also "thinned" us well, that's a fact that is not particularly accepted to advertise .. During the Civil War in Soviet Russia, there was an unsuccessful attempt to march on Warsaw (the world revolution was going to kindle according to Trotsky) .. About 100 thousand Red Army soldiers were taken prisoner by the Poles .. They returned 5 percent and told what they were doing with the prisoners ... I think I will not give an example, otherwise they will be accused of inciting ..
  3. Pereira
    Pereira April 17 2021 20: 08
    +13
    The key / main country of Europe, for which no one stood up in 39. On the contrary, everyone was happy about the disappearance of this ugly miscarriage of Versailles.
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 17 2021 20: 40
      +3
      It was the miscarriage of Versailles. She was called the prostitute of Europe, but in my opinion, this function was successfully performed by Austria-Hungary. And Poland ... a miscarriage, or rather a word you can't think of.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 18 2021 09: 50
        0
        You are wrong about Austria-Hungary. The state was normal, although in need of reform.
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 18 2021 10: 27
          0
          To whom was the patchwork empire normal? To your loyal ally of the Russian Empire? When she was dragging Russia into wars for her interests, and then, having received snot, she signed a separate peace. And Russia single-handedly fought with Prussia, the strongest and, one might say, excellent in training and fighting spirit, the army of Europe. Then Prussia got snot. Keys to Koningsberg in the Winter Palace. And genetic - defective Habsburgs again crawled on their knees into the chambers of the Empress, asking for at least a piece of Germanic and Slavic lands from the conquests of Russian soldiers.
          In what way was the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation (then its successor Austria-Hungary) normal?
          Probably those that "fought" with the Ottomans? Yes, the Ottomans rolled them into a thin pancake, and the Russians took Turkish citadels at this time, but were forced to stop, as the Vienna ambassador hysterical that the Austrian Empire was about to be eaten, and the Russians did not fulfill their allied obligations to protect them.
          There is a lot, a lot of negativity towards this alleged ally.
    2. xorek
      xorek April 18 2021 09: 49
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      The key / main country of Europe, for which no one stood up in 39. On the contrary, everyone was happy about the disappearance of this ugly miscarriage of Versailles.

      Well, not quite so Michael .. Stalin Poland offered military assistance, but they naturally refused with ambition and with ambition .. So we all know! And so maybe there would not have been a world war, Hitler would have quieted down, but at least we would have taken Berlin a year or two earlier .. soldier
  4. Popandos
    Popandos April 17 2021 20: 08
    +13
    After 2014, neither the United States nor Ukraine itself has consulted with Warsaw on the Ukrainian issue. Poland failed to become a member of the Normandy format.

    Psheki finally begin to understand what place they have in this world.
    Better late than never, as they say
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 17 2021 20: 49
      +6
      They don’t understand a damn thing. These are phantom pains in speech. "How so! We are so bright, great, but our opinion is not asked!"
      Russia, as it was an empire, so it remained and no matter what kind of state system. And Poland was divided, many times, and then again given (probably thanked God for this). in the end we have. what we have. And we have all the same pile of shit, it just decreased from the 16th century, passers-by on the road smeared it.
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor April 17 2021 20: 59
        +5
        You can reproach our Emperors, this pile of feces was added to the RI. to add to his title "Sovereign of the Kingdom of Poland", but apart from problems. uprisings and betrayal, this cesspool gave nothing.
        1. Konstantin Gogolev
          Konstantin Gogolev April 18 2021 01: 06
          +3
          I gave it. Many card cheaters. Moreover, the nobles. The expression in RI was "Polish nobleman". There, half of the country called themselves pans.
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor April 18 2021 17: 45
            +1
            For a very long time I read about the origins of the Polish nobles (probably still studied at school). So (from memory) Shlyakhtich (small-scale Polish nobleman) descended from a bandit. Shlyakh or gentry - meant the road, the path, and the one who sat with his "brigade" on the road and collected tribute from the passers-by was called the gentry. Then these characters, having become rich, built "castles" on their roads, or rather large houses - manors. Those. every bandit became a nobleman, but imagine how many roads and bandits there were at the beginning of the 2nd millennium from Europe to Russia.
            1. Konstantin Gogolev
              Konstantin Gogolev April 18 2021 17: 51
              +1
              Thanks for the information. hi They had a theater of the absurd when these naked-assed nobles came to choose the king for themselves. For the chocolate bar, so to speak, they voted. And in order to interest them, the need to rob neighbors was proclaimed. This is exactly what they were interested in - to rob.
              1. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor April 18 2021 18: 15
                +1
                Yes! The theater of the absurd on this territory flourished and smelled, even stank. When the "Krul" was chosen, any owner of the manor could say "Veto!" At the Diet. and everything began with a chopper on sabers.
                A prime example of democracy
                drinks bless her
                1. Konstantin Gogolev
                  Konstantin Gogolev April 18 2021 18: 20
                  0
                  drinks for that on April 21 fewer idiots for Western values ​​went out into the streets. The rallies have already declared "in support of the hunger striker."
                  1. Nikon OConor
                    Nikon OConor April 18 2021 18: 26
                    +1
                    whoever works, he does not starve .. And then let him die, I suppose they lodged him separately, because the head of the opposition should not become pi .. Oh, this is how offended him.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 19 2021 08: 40
            +1
            But the governors, generals, and officials were all Poles, and quite normal. Outside the Kingdom of Poland, Poles in the Russian Empire could have made quite a good career in the administrative or military field. On the territory of the Kingdom itself, after the suppression of the second uprising, only in city government or in the field of commerce.
            1. Konstantin Gogolev
              Konstantin Gogolev April 19 2021 09: 03
              0
              Who can argue. I even know the story of a Pole engineer who, after the uprising, was resettled in Blagoveshchensk-on-Amur and worked well for the development of the railway in the Far East. If the demons in their heads outplay, then it seems like normal people striving to build, not destroy.
              But the overwhelming majority started from the principle "I need an enemy" and found him nearby - RI (oppressors). Moreover, I believe that if the gentry were carried away by war games for the good of the Republic of Ingushetia, they would realize their potential in the right direction. But, little RI fought. And the British, too, threw firewood into the national question of the Poles. And the bull from the Pope to the Catholicization of Rus allowed legalized violence.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver April 17 2021 21: 27
        +4
        And even then, about a third of Poland is actually Germany, the lands of which Stalin gave her. And if the Poles are so inclined towards decommunization, the elimination of the consequences of Stalinism, and the revision of the shameful regime of the Yalta agreements, then let them return East Prussia, Silesia, and Pomerania to Germany.
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 17 2021 21: 43
          +2
          then let them return East Prussia, Silesia, and Pomerania to Germany.

          Frederick II the Great (whom I respect very much as an enemy) fought all his glorious life for the creation of the German Empire, he spins like a mixer in his grave, seeing his lands in the hands of this ... this country.
          PySy Pomeranian Grenadiers - the elite of the Prussian troops, the reserve of Frederick, who, in difficult moments, changed the picture of the battle and gave victory (it did not work with the Russians, well, as always laughing )
          1. oldzek
            oldzek April 18 2021 14: 11
            0
            Nagant! I forgot that the Warsaw thieves had a saying: what is mine is mine, and what is yours is ours. Well, how can I give it away?
  5. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell April 17 2021 20: 08
    +6
    After 2014, Warsaw has not been consulted on the Ukrainian issue ....
    Not even funny and not at all fun: who to consult? The Poles have been looking in the mirror for a long time: to Churchill, to Churchill ...
  6. nnm
    nnm April 17 2021 20: 11
    +7
    As I understand it, Russia is, of course, to blame for the fact that the United States and Europe ignores Poland's opinion on political issues. Well, it would be difficult to expect otherwise.
    But until Poland understands that they are only an object and not a subject of European politics, that they are just a stick in the hands of the United States, with which they poke the countries of old Europe if necessary, until then nothing will change.
    And so they will squeal about the prohibition of the SP-2, and the benefits of American liquefied gas, which they buy at 30-50% to the detriment of the economy, but just not to lose the status of the beloved wife of the United States on the European continent. At the same time slipping into radicalism as in the issue of abortion, starting eternal quarrels with Germany, Russia, etc. And they don't even think about what will happen if old Europe, Russia, China, and not the United States, wins in the global confrontation.
    The first call with how the EU cut their subsidies, they did not even understand and believe that their opposition to the first steps of Europe towards independence no one notices and that Europe will forever feed and endure them.
    1. alien
      alien April 17 2021 21: 33
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      But while Poland will not understand the fact that they are only an object and not a subject of European politics, that they are just a stick in the hands of the United States, with which they poke the countries of old Europe if necessary, until then nothing will change.

      Here is an interview with the Polish analyst, Konrad Rankas, they understood everything very well, but late.

      Now is the time for Ukrainians to understand this:
      "Therefore, it would be good if the Ukrainians made conclusions and did not fall for the same lie that was once in a beautiful package. served to the Poles or Balts. After all, NATO is a "defensive alliance" that has never protected anyone from anything, but only pursued an aggressive policy.
      <...>
      And, in the end - do young Ukrainians really have no more important things to do in their own country than mercenary role in other people's wars?
      <...>
      Moreover, they are burdened with a policy of purchasing weapons - the only meaning the existence of NATO today. After all, this is the Alliance, which - if not bombing some small states and defenseless peoples - is engaged in forcing its members to purchase a horrendous amount of extremely expensive American military equipment. "

      And for these words to the Polish analyst THANK YOU SO MUCH:
      "the unconditional conditions for the start of negotiations on Ukraine's belonging to any international bloc in a healthy diplomatic reality should be recognition of independence the people's republics of Donbass, as well as the awareness and acceptance by Kiev of the current state Crimea accessories... In addition, a stringent requirement should be elimination of Nazism and his supporters from the Ukrainian public space. Without all this with Ukraine there is nothing to talk about."

      https://ukraina.ru/interview/20210416/1031151226.html
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 19 2021 09: 05
      0
      The importance of these subsidies should not be overstated. Studied this issue a little. These subsidies are the largest in absolute terms in Eastern Europe. But if you take into account the size of the population and the size of the economy of Poland, then you can see that other countries of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States are subsidized by the EU to a much greater extent. The Polish economy has been continuously developing quite well since 1991, and now the ruling PiS is pursuing a policy of repolonizing the economy and gradually ousting foreign capital from the banking sector and limiting it (not really advertising it) in the industrial sector. Politics has a pronounced social character. The only country in Europe that has lowered the retirement age from 67 for all to 65 for men and 60 for women. Sophisticated support for the peasantry, small and medium-sized businesses. Supporting traditional family values. True, in connection with the latter, not all the inhabitants of Warsaw, Krakow and former German Poland are satisfied.) There is something for us to learn from the Poles. Unfortunately, all of the above for us is leveled by real rabid Russophobia both on the part of the ruling coalition and on the part of most of the opposition. Plus a clear pro-American position. And, of course, ambitions are off the charts, they want to be regional leaders. But the neighbors don't want that, and Germany and France don't really need it either.)
  7. Xenofont
    Xenofont April 17 2021 20: 11
    +4
    The Pole mouse was offended, they wrote it in the hole. So they squeak, they say, you evil ones, I'll leave you!
  8. Mouse
    Mouse April 17 2021 20: 12
    +4
    and only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all

    And that someone is going to conduct a dialogue with them ??? Susanin to help them ...
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 17 2021 20: 15
      +6
      The Poles are completely uninterested in the subject of Susanin.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse April 17 2021 20: 23
        +4
        Until they met him ... laughing
        1. Pereira
          Pereira April 17 2021 20: 24
          +2
          On the contrary, after the meeting.
  9. Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev April 17 2021 20: 15
    +4
    Does he complain about his partners?
    Poland wants to lead a new alliance against Russia, declaring that the West is betraying the purity and virginity of the ideals of Russophobia?
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 17 2021 20: 22
      +3
      This is the dream of Poles since Napoleon.
      They have it written down in the hymn. Sleep in the morning.
      1. Konstantin Gogolev
        Konstantin Gogolev April 17 2021 20: 27
        +2
        Yes, early. Much earlier. There and under Peter 1, and the Seven Boyars times. As the bull was given, they have been possessed ever since.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira April 17 2021 20: 29
          +1
          There is some difference. The whim of the gentry is one thing, the mass ideology of slaves is another. The latter is stronger.
          1. Konstantin Gogolev
            Konstantin Gogolev April 17 2021 20: 41
            +2
            The difference is that they became angrier after the partitions of Poland - just the time frame corresponds. Everybody takes revenge.
        2. nnm
          nnm April 17 2021 20: 37
          +6
          For the first time, Polish Russophobia at the state level with the use of the vile methods loved by the Poles was formed during the period of Ivan the Terrible. All these stories about the atrocities of the oprichnina are, first of all, from the "memoirs" of two swindlers who published them at the expense of Poland. As, by the way, are the stories that Ivan killed his son.
          1. Konstantin Gogolev
            Konstantin Gogolev April 17 2021 20: 44
            0
            History is the biggest prostitute.
            1. nnm
              nnm April 17 2021 20: 46
              +1
              I think the story is absolutely neutral. An event, from a historical point of view, either exists or not. But historians with low social responsibility, who are ready to call black white for the sake of bonuses or forcing them to do so, is another matter.
  10. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 April 17 2021 20: 25
    +2
    Quote: nnm
    but just not to lose the status of the beloved wife of the United States
    And in no other way can you name it? I would call ... yes for banyat ...
    А
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 17 2021 20: 30
      +1
      I suspect what you wanted to say, but this is an erroneous opinion.
      Poles will not agree to less than the role of the head of Europe.
      And what you meant, they are graciously inferior to country 404.
      1. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 April 17 2021 20: 36
        +1
        You mean the position of the gangs ... the head of the harem? Beloved ... are you ... in ... all relationships?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira April 18 2021 10: 15
          0
          Not really. I mean the position of eunuch in the European harem of the Americans.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 19 2021 09: 08
        0
        By the way, the late Brzezinski, in an interview shortly before his death, offended former fellow countrymen, saying that Poland is of third-rate importance for the United States.
    2. nnm
      nnm April 17 2021 20: 49
      +1
      Therefore, I did not name it)))).
      And then as in that joke:
      ".... now we live like this - my wife has a reprimand, my mother-in-law has a strict one." hi
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 17 2021 20: 30
    +2
    Donkey and Elephant chase the "hyena of Europe" in the tail and in the mane! And what did they want from this zoo.
  12. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 April 17 2021 20: 41
    +1
    Quote: tralflot1832
    And what did they want from this zoo.

    ... and here and there ... oh my God, how nice it is ... they are no stranger to it.
  13. Dizel200
    Dizel200 April 17 2021 20: 44
    +1
    Favorite wife, according to pshek, kicked up?
    1. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 April 17 2021 20: 56
      +1
      I gave myself up in my favorite position ...
  14. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 17 2021 21: 02
    +3
    According to the Polish observer, and only Poland has adopted a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all.

    Based on this position of Poland, a couple of days ago I wrote that I do not see any reason at all in favor of maintaining diplomatic relations with Poland in view of its anti-Russian policy. To lower the level of diplomatic relations to attorneys at law, or even give them to the ambassador and diplomats 24 hours to leave Russia and recall their diplomats. Lukashenko at one time did not hesitate to kick the Americans out, but we are here with some kind of mattress puppet, we are babysitting something, "mirroring" and exchanging notes, while they are demolishing monuments to our fallen soldiers and shitting at us in all corners. Ready to kiss the ukrobanderotu forgetting about the Volyn massacre, if only in spite of Russia. This is truly a Hyena.
  15. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 17 2021 21: 05
    +1
    Everything is ready for war: the armies are in place.
    The ambassadors are dispersed. Curator Bidon said Fas!
    Yes !! - answered the performer Ze.
  16. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 17 2021 21: 18
    +2
    Where is Poland? what And what is it anyway?
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 April 17 2021 21: 21
    +1
    In the Polish press: After 2014, neither the United States nor Ukraine itself has consulted with Poland on the Ukrainian issue
    ... Oh what a shame wink
  18. iouris
    iouris April 17 2021 21: 50
    0
    Nuland explained everything clearly. Or are the Poles no longer Europeans?
  19. Alexey Makarov
    Alexey Makarov April 17 2021 21: 55
    +1
    There simply cannot be any consultations with Poland. Poland has no one in the international political arena.
  20. beeper
    beeper April 17 2021 22: 04
    0
    The Kremlin has been trying for a long time isolate our country, convince the West that this is a country ruled by radicals, etc.

    And what does the Kremlin have to do with it, because in France and Germany, the authorities have long understood that Poland is ruled by outspoken, very radical, American puppets who use Polish EU membership as a manipulative tool for pushing through US interests, even contrary to the interests of European countries (due to whose EU contributions all these Polish and Tribaltic Russophobic anti-Russian "limitrophes" are sponsored !!!) ?!
    The Polish ex-minister, commissioner for the investigation of the presidential plane crash, Macherevich is now persistently promoting his own "version" of the deliberate explosion on board the "Kachinsky plane", he directly insists and assures that "it was so" ?!
    That is, the "Polish non-comrades" DO NOT want to face the truth and accept the bitter truth about the wild drunkenness of their "elite" on board, the fatal mistake of the poorly trained Polish crew, its dependent weak-willed commander and the pushering of these, a priori subordinates, military pilots with their drunken incompetent "the commanders, in the absence of the necessary minimum of visibility and with (as it turned out later) incorrectly adjusted, back in Warsaw, the commander's altimeter forced to descend to land at an unfamiliar military airfield, and even with a specifically complex approach to the beginning of the landing strip ?!
    And this brutal Polish "rape of a military crew" by drunken generals-bureaucrats took place despite repeated warnings from Russian air traffic controllers, whom Polish officials then indiscriminately declared the "main culprits" of this Polish plane crash!
    But since such is the case and "Pan Macherevich has learned something about the explosion of a bomb on board," even more so, what claims of Warsaw to Moscow can be ?! what

    Usually, when investigating any crime, they always look for its motive - "cui prodest cui bono?" - "who benefits from it, who benefits?", And, in retrospect, it is perfectly clear that this plane crash is 100% NOT beneficial to Moscow, but Warsaw was 100% profitable for the same (even the twin brother of the deceased Lyokha Kaczynski, as well as the PiS party, which became completely him, all turned out to be a political winner, immediately added to the diminishing rating!) and, always sticking out with its ears behind the Polish back , Washington (and even these overseas "sheriffs" of their obliging "Indians" - native puppets never felt sorry to use for provocations, how many planes they ruined, not to count, so the Polish "presidential airliner" also became their victim, by no means the first and NOT the last ?! of the known later victims of the American special services - the Malaysian "Boeing" destroyed over the Donbass - there is an opinion that there was also a bomb on board, it was planted during the flight, there they did not regret a few of their Americans, " Murili ", otherwise some Poles would feel sorry for them ?! request )!

    So what do we see - both the incorrectly set parameters of the commander's barometric altimeter, and the failure to report the weather report to the crew along the flight route and at the planned landing airfield, and the hypothetical "Macherevich bomb" is from the same "box of vile wonders" of Uncle Sam (Unkle Sam -US) ?! yes
    And so there is no reason for any Polish radicals to "crumble their loaf" on Russia! stop
    And, a question of questions, Is it worth Moscow to "negotiate with Warsaw" about anything if Washington decides EVERYTHING FOR Warsaw ?!
    IMHO, my, purely personal, opinion, I do not impose on anyone!
  21. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 17 2021 22: 12
    0
    Poland has one position - Lemberg them, although there Austria can present its claims, and other countries are already sharpening their teeth on the territory of Ukraine ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 19 2021 09: 14
      0
      Austria does not have a common border with Poland, what claims can it present? Today's Austria is just the former German Austria, without the lands of other peoples. The overwhelming majority of Polish politicians do not claim Lemberg. For them, it is now a strange and alien city, the majority of whose inhabitants do not like Poles, to put it mildly.
  22. RealPilot
    RealPilot April 17 2021 22: 24
    +1
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Well, the hyena of Europe is a hyena!

    The main thing is hygiene ... Oral hygiene! Because what sounds about Russia from there exudes a disgusting stench ... And in fact, no one is interested.
  23. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 17 2021 22: 33
    +1
    [/ quote] According to the Polish observer, only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all. [quote]

    Well, who is your doctor? A psychiatrist would come, but you will not go to him. The understanding that they are very sick has not yet come.
  24. zwlad
    zwlad April 17 2021 22: 59
    +1
    What is Poland to consult about something with it?
  25. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 17 2021 23: 31
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    According to the Polish observer, only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all.

    Nothing! Soon the Czechs will join.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 18 2021 02: 23
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      Vasyan1971 (Vasily)
      Yesterday, 23: 31
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      According to the Polish observer, only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all.

      Nothing! Soon the Czechs will join.
      Yes, yes. Today it was announced that chekhotnya is sending 18 of our diplomats. And we give them a vaccine against the corona .... the humanities pancake.
  26. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 18 2021 00: 03
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    Everyone answers there himself!
  27. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 18 2021 00: 29
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    What are we thinking
  28. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound April 18 2021 01: 39
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    And why should Russia in geopolitics conduct any negotiations with not decisive slaves?
  29. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 18 2021 02: 21
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    According to the Polish observer, only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all.
    I wonder if hyenas can walk through the forest ?! I think they can, and very cheerful!
    And we would take such a position in relation to Eurogyne, as she does to us. About their plane, already a corn on the tongue. angry
  30. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 18 2021 05: 17
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    Well, it is logical ... and who consults the dog wassat Her job is to bark as directed and no more ..
  31. Pastor
    Pastor April 18 2021 08: 14
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    Poland should not be surprised at the independence of other countries in their foreign policy. De facto, Poland is now still the same colony or principality within a larger empire as it has been for the past 300 years. They need to get used to the fact that the gentleman himself will decide how the polishes are better.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 19 2021 09: 16
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      However, they really take a special position on many issues in the EU, along with Hungary, and are not going to give it up. And many decisions of the EU structures are openly ignored.
  32. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 April 18 2021 09: 47
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    Elusive Joe is offended that no one catches him?
  33. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 18 2021 19: 30
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    "In the Polish press: After 2014, neither the United States nor Ukraine itself has consulted with Poland on the Ukrainian issue"
    From grief ...
    Parasites are not respected at all! ..
    What to do / what to do?! ..
    The time is right now! There is no time for the NDP already.
    Experience geopolitics in full. Gentlemen. But. hi
    By the way, in Crimea at the moment there is an advertisement for baseball caps with a trident. On the internet. On this site, and through the Yandex browser.
    This is how your mother, you order to understand ?!
  34. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 April 19 2021 09: 22
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    The paradox is that, pursuing a pro-American foreign policy, Poles in the field of domestic, economic and social policies make decisions that Americans clearly cannot like: an increase in the role of the state in the economy, the transfer of most of the banks and enterprises into Polish hands, the protection of traditional family values , respect for the Catholic Church, limitation of the independence of courts and procurators.
  35. Graduate student
    Graduate student April 21 2021 20: 52
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    Poland is not consulted on the Ukrainian issue

    Ay-yay-yay ... The great under-empire is not consulted laughing
    Poland dreams of a country from sea to sea, and they are unnoticed. Radishes laughing
  36. Graduate student
    Graduate student April 21 2021 20: 54
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    Poland failed to become a member of the Normandy format

    In order to become a member of the Normandy format, you need to be a Power and influence world politics, and not be a hyena
  37. Graduate student
    Graduate student April 21 2021 20: 55
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    only Poland has taken a position in which no dialogue with Russia is envisaged at all

    And as a result, only Poland has no benefit from such a position. bully