"According to the NNS equipment program": the Northern Fleet will receive diesel submarines

The Northern Fleet will receive new diesel-electric submarines as part of the state defense order. The delivery should take place by 2027. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the DIC.

According to the source, the problem with providing forces fleet diesel-electric submarines will be resolved by 2027. Until this date, the fleet will receive at least four submarines as part of the program to equip the combat personnel with a non-nuclear submarine component.

At the same time, the source emphasized that unlike the Pacific Fleet, which will receive diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka type, the Northern Fleet will receive submarines of the 677 Lada type. We are talking about submarines under construction at the "Admiralty shipyards".

At present, two submarines of the Lada project are under construction in St. Petersburg - Kronstadt and Velikiye Luki. The submarines are the first and second serial ones after the lead submarine "St. Petersburg". "Kronstadt" is being completed afloat, "Velikie Luki" will be launched in 2022. The contract for the construction of the third and fourth submarines of the project has been signed, but the laying is not planned yet. The series is long-term construction due to the introduction of improvements to the project, as well as the development of VNEU.

Project 677 submarines of the "Lada" type belong to the fourth generation of diesel-electric submarines. They have a low noise level. Submerged speed - 21 knots, crew - 35 people. The main armament is the KR "Caliber". The lead boat of Project 677 is Saint Petersburg, which was delivered to the fleet in 2010 and is still in trial operation.

Comments

[businessv]

Friends who are in the subject, please explain the reason for such a long trial operation! The need of the fleet for such submarines is also interesting. Not a word about this in the article.

[Vladimir1155]

Non-submarines solve a wide range of tasks to control the water area around the bases of nuclear submarines, and are able to provide cover for nuclear submarines when they leave the bases, while they are an order of magnitude cheaper than nuclear submarines, the decision not to send them to the Baltic where they are senseless is true, non-submarines are more important than aircraft carriers and battleships = destroyers

[businessv]

Briefly and clearly! Thank you!

[Piramidon]

Quote: vladimir1155

the decision not to send them to the Baltic where they are meaningless is correct

Is it possible in more detail? The Germans and Poles have "meaningful" ones, but we don't?

[Alex777]

Is it possible in more detail? The Germans and Poles have "meaningful" ones, but we don't?

The Germans and Poles do not need to solve the problem of ensuring the exit of SSBNs in the North.
This is the most important task for us. And the PL - one or two and missed ... Unfortunately.
We will solve the problems of the Federation Council, we will deal with the Baltic. IMHO.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex777

Is it possible in more detail? The Germans and Poles have "meaningful" ones, but we don't?

The Germans and Poles do not need to solve the problem of ensuring the exit of the PRKSN in the North.
And for us this is the most important task. And the PL - one or two and missed ... Unfortunately.

So I didn't get it, your comment

the decision not to send them to the Baltic where they are meaningless is correct

Do you need submarines in the Baltic or not?

[Alex777]

So I did not understand, your comments .. are submarines needed in the Baltic or not?

For you personally, Stepan will repeat:

We will solve the problems of the Federation Council, we will deal with the Baltic. IMHO.

What can be incomprehensible here?

[Vladimir1155]

The narrowness of the throat of the Gulf of Finland makes it impossible for submarines and warships to exit; in the Second World War, the Germans blocked it with nets. The sea itself is narrow and shallow, the fleets of all the Baltic countries are senseless, Baltiysk is destroyed from Gdynia by NATO missiles in 10 minutes, these missiles have already been prepared there. The Northern Fleet is farther from enemy shores and airfields, where it is possible and necessary to have a fleet and control the entire Barents Sea up to the ice border and ensure the return of SSBNs.

[aleks26]

Quote: vladimir1155

Non-submarines solve a wide range of tasks to control the water area around the bases of nuclear submarines, and are able to provide cover for nuclear submarines when they leave the bases.

The main armament is the KR "Caliber".

As I understand it, they should cover mainly from amerovsky nuclear submarines, then why is the MAIN weapon of Caliber, and not torpedoes?

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: aleks26

Quote: vladimir1155

Non-submarines solve a wide range of tasks to control the water area around the bases of nuclear submarines, and are able to provide cover for nuclear submarines when they leave the bases.

The main armament is the KR "Caliber".

As I understand it, they should cover mainly from amerovsky nuclear submarines, then why is the MAIN weapon of Caliber, and not torpedoes?

We are bad with torpedoes, calibers are launched from torpedo launchers, while they are the main armament

[Barberry25]

because rocket weapons are caliber, as well as 6 missiles and 12 torpedoes

[Niko]

Quote: Barberry25

because rocket weapons are caliber, as well as 6 missiles and 12 torpedoes

Missiles are launched from torpedo tubes, i.e. in reality, or -or

[Barberry25]

BK 18 units - 6 rockets-standard for bk

[Niko]

Quote: Barberry25

BK 18 units - 6 rockets-standard for bk

This is understandable, there are only 6 devices.

[Barberry25]

3 units per TA..that is why we need a modernized Amur-950 ... something like Amur-2130

[Barberry25]

the complexity of the equipment - lack of funds, they gave birth to a new VNEU for a long time and did not give birth

[Andrey Korotkov]

And again VNEU , development is difficult.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

In fact, 6 countries have submarines with VNEU: France, Sweden, Germany, Japan, Spain and China. Different types of VNEU. But something special enthusiasm is not heard. Looks like everyone has problems. Last year, it seems, they wrote about an accident on a Japanese boat.

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

In fact, 6 countries have submarines with VNEU: France, Sweden, Germany, Japan, Spain and China. Different types of VNEU. But something special enthusiasm is not heard. Looks like everyone has problems. Last year, it seems, they wrote about an accident on a Japanese boat.

Yes, of course they have, different strongly said - like two different （I'm afraid to make a mistake）, the NPS and should be with VNEU, accidents？ with whom does not happen.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

The accident was with engine / batteries.

[Magic archer]

And the Swedes, for example, are going to install the third generation of Sterling engines on new submarines ... I don’t understand, if we are stupid or the Swedes are very smart. And the Japanese promise their next submarines at the level of the nuclear submarine in autonomy ... We are lagging behind ... And oh, how much

[Barberry25]

Lada is a good thing .. but Amur-1650 or a la Amur-2000 would be more interesting ..

[Jacket in stock]

There is no VNEU.
There are no powerful batteries.
There are no torpedoes.
We will boldly go into battle, but as one we will die ...
Sadness.

[Pavel57]

Calibers for these boats are not the main task. PLO is more important.

[Alex777]

How does the KR answer to the SP not suit you?

[S. Viktorovich]

These boats are not needed without new energy. Just targets. Yes, and "Caliber" in such a number are meaningless.

[petrol cutter]

You can clink glasses in the current classifications of submarines. But.
It seems like there are two classes of submarines - diesel and nuclear ...
What is NAPL ...
Presumably, not atomic submarines.
Why not write - a diesel-electric submarine project such and such one of these days will be accepted for state tests / will not be accepted for tests. Due to the lack of readiness for these tests. Due to the fact that there is no need to know a wide range of fans.