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Vietnamese press: USA fears that F-35 fighters will be powerless against Russian S-400 air defense systems

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The Vietnamese edition of Soha published a material in which the author presented his understanding of why the Americans are so actively preventing the supply of Russian S-400 air defense systems to different countries of the world. The author recalls that the United States is ready to impose sanctions even against its allies if they sign a contract with the Russian Federation for the supply of the S-400 Triumph. Turkey is cited as an example, and it also recalls the pressure that Washington exerts on India in connection with the signed contract with Moscow.


The material published by the Vietnamese information resource says that unfair competition in the market from the United States is not the most important factor in this case. The author in Soha writes that with the active dissemination by Russia of its latest anti-aircraft missile systems in different countries of the world, the number of problems with the use of American fifth-generation fighters F-22 and F-35 will grow. In the United States, they fear that the F-35 will be powerless against the Russian S-400 air defense systems. At the same time, this factor will affect many countries that are going to buy F-35 fighters from the United States or replenish their fleet. If abroad they know that the F-35 is easily detected by the Russian complex, then the demand for the fighter will go down.

Also, the Vietnamese information resource notes that with the distribution of the S-400 air defense system around the world, the American-made Patriot PAC-3 complexes will have less and less chances.

By selling the S-400 air defense system to various countries of the world, Russia is inflicting a double blow on the United States - it lowers the reputation ratings of American weapons and increases vulnerability to fifth generation American fighters in different regions.

That is why, according to the Vietnamese author, Washington "is making total efforts to oppose the sale of these anti-aircraft missile systems by Russia."
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  1. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 11 2021 09: 03
    +8
    The Vietnamese comrades are right, in vain the striped ones are afraid, it really is!
    1. figwam
      figwam April 11 2021 09: 08
      +4
      If abroad they know that the F-35 is easily detected by the Russian complex, then the demand for the fighter will go down.

      The United States loves to inflate a bubble of lies that will burst anyway.
      1. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 April 11 2021 09: 29
        -10%
        Quote: figvam
        If abroad they know that the F-35 is easily detected by the Russian complex, then the demand for the fighter will go down.

        The United States loves to inflate a bubble of lies that will burst anyway.

        In the volume bubble there is an overpressure KID valve - the bubble is inflated, and it releases the excess into the atmosphere ...... like IP 6 gas masks ....- 46 ..... hi
        1. Russobel
          Russobel April 11 2021 09: 42
          +4
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          Quote: figvam
          If abroad they know that the F-35 is easily detected by the Russian complex, then the demand for the fighter will go down.

          The United States loves to inflate a bubble of lies that will burst anyway.

          In the volume bubble there is an overpressure KID valve - the bubble is inflated, and it releases the excess into the atmosphere ...... like IP 6 gas masks ....- 46 ..... hi

          And this bleeding is also called a "bunch"
          1. GTYCBJYTH2021
            GTYCBJYTH2021 April 11 2021 10: 41
            -9
            Quote: Russobel
            Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
            Quote: figvam
            If abroad they know that the F-35 is easily detected by the Russian complex, then the demand for the fighter will go down.

            The United States loves to inflate a bubble of lies that will burst anyway.

            In the volume bubble there is an overpressure KID valve - the bubble is inflated, and it releases the excess into the atmosphere ...... like IP 6 gas masks ....- 46 ..... hi

            And this bleeding is also called a "bunch"

            Call it whatever you want - bunch, bzdyk - but the bubble is intact ... winked
        2. figwam
          figwam April 11 2021 09: 45
          +4
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          There is a KID valve in the bubble

          The valve is a lie that F-35 buyers believe in, when everyone understands that invisibility is an American fairy tale, the bubble will burst.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 11 2021 10: 12
            -10%
            Explain this also to the designers of the PAK-DA bomber, who for some reason
            believe in invisibility and do not consider it an American fairy tale. smile
            1. sabakina
              sabakina April 11 2021 10: 20
              +8
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Explain this also to the designers of the PAK-DA bomber, who for some reason
              believe in invisibility and do not consider it an American fairy tale. smile

              Alexey, who told you that PAK-DA is invisible? repeat
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara April 11 2021 10: 53
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Explain this also to the designers of the PAK-DA bomber, who for some reason
                believe in invisibility and do not consider it an American fairy tale. smile

                Alexey, who told you that PAK-DA is invisible? repeat

                And who said that 35 is invisible? )
            2. vitvit123
              vitvit123 April 11 2021 10: 35
              -6
              Constructors - okay, they are not much PR .. compared to the "exceptional" they are ...
              You definitely don't need words. S-400 - then, I did not fight anywhere, I did not shoot down a single plane ... it is not clear what is happening to the amers ... you know for sure that the s400 is like that, butophoria.
            3. figwam
              figwam April 11 2021 10: 43
              +5
              Quote: voyaka uh
              which for some reason
              believe in invisibility

              There is a concept of stealth, and invisibility is an American fairy tale for selling your product.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 11 2021 12: 31
                -5
                You used the word "invisibility".
                Americans never used this term: invisible. They use the term stealth - secretive.
                I just repeated. The F-35 is hardly noticeable, and the future PAK-DA will also be hardly noticeable.
                Shooting down the PAK-DA and the F-35 will be equally difficult for the S-400 complex.
                1. figwam
                  figwam April 11 2021 12: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  You used the word "invisibility".

                  No, Americans have been using it since the F-117
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Shooting down PAK-DA and F-35 will be equally difficult for the S-400 complex

                  The S-400 will be able to shoot down the F-35 not in 250 km, but in 150 km, that's the whole difference, the Americans themselves recognized the effectiveness of this complex, and the PAK-DA will not even enter the air defense detection zone, missiles will just fly in, and from where no one does not recognize.
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal April 11 2021 13: 55
                    -3
                    No, Americans have been using it since the F-117

                    Examples? Exactly the words invisibility?
                    The S-400 will be able to shoot down the F-35 not in 250 km, but in 150 km.

                    From 80 km instead of 400, seen on the radar.
                    For F-22 - 30-40 km. (From the front)
                    1. figwam
                      figwam April 11 2021 14: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: 3danimal
                      From 80 km instead of 400, seen on the radar.
                      For F-22 - 30-40 km. (From the front)

                      Then the United States has nothing to worry about, let any country buy the S-400)
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 11 2021 14: 35
                        +1
                        In addition to unobtrusive, there are other planes request
                    2. Dread
                      Dread April 11 2021 21: 53
                      -4
                      Quote: 3danimal
                      From 80 km instead of 400, seen on the radar.
                      For F-22 - 30-40 km. (From the front)

                      Do not write your children's fairy tales every time to VO from Israel!
                      With an average image intensifier = 0,3 sq. meters for the F-22 in the front hemisphere, the S-400 detection radar having a detection range of D = 600 km for targets with an image intensifier = 4 sq. meters, will find F-22 on distance D ~ 314 km in free space and then it will be guaranteed to be hit by a 40N6 anti-aircraft missile, not to mention the F-35, which has an even higher average image intensifier, and which will be detected even earlier and at a greater distance in free space, and then it will also be guaranteed to be destroyed by an anti-aircraft missile 40N6!
                      3danimal, as always - not true! Learn to count.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 12 2021 05: 15
                        -1
                        With an average image intensifier = 0,3 sq. meters

                        Where did you get this data?
                        The manufacturer claims 0,0001 m2.
                        Then, the detection range will be reduced by 14,14 times and will be 42,43 km.
                        Of course, this is only possible from the front, without wing suspensions and with removed Luneberg lenses smile
                        F-35, which has an even higher average image intensifier

                        It's funny, is it larger than that of the Su-57?
                        Although the latter has a completely radio-contrast cover of the lantern, there are no S-shaped air intakes (compliance with the measures to reduce the image intensifier).




                        Poghosyan will not tell you what, so that his creation does not look worse in terms of stealth characteristics.
                        write every time to VO from Israel!

                        How many funny people smile What makes you think that I am from Israel? Why not from Birobidzhan? laughing
                      2. Dread
                        Dread April 12 2021 08: 21
                        -4
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        It's funny, is it larger than that of the Su-57?
                        Although the latter has a completely radio-contrast cover of the lantern, there are no S-shaped air intakes (compliance with the measures to reduce the image intensifier).

                        How long can you write these tales from Lockheed-Martin commercials? Look carefully at the location of the air intakes from the lower hemisphere! laughing
                        Quote: 3danimal

                        How many funny people What makes you think that I am from Israel? Why not from Birobidzhan?

                        3danimal, so young - and they have already lost their memory. Themselves here were proud of it earlier!
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        It's funny, is it larger than that of the Su-57?

                        And I ask you not to write nonsense about
                        EOP F-22, F-35 and Su-57. Your outright lie every time - already got everyone on VO.
                      3. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 12 2021 13: 56
                        -1
                        Take a close look at the location of the air intakes from the lower hemisphere

                        I looked. Solution similar to F-18E / F. The compressor blades are half open (see the second photo). Yes, they will be covered with something, but this is a less effective solution than S-shaped air intakes.



                        to write these fairy tales from Lockheed Martin commercials?

                        Why is Lockheed tales worse / better than UAC tales?
                        And I ask you not to write nonsense about
                        EOP F-22, F-35 and Su-57.

                        I understand there is nothing to argue smile
                        Why are you so worried: yes, the Su-57 is more noticeable, but the most maneuverable at speeds of 0,4-0,7M.
                        3danimal, so young - and they have already lost their memory. Themselves here were proud of it earlier!

                        Cheap welcome.
                        I never wrote that I am from Israel. I saw him only in pictures and on YouTube.
            4. Kaman
              Kaman April 11 2021 17: 19
              -1
              Warrior, so gutarut that the Russians do not have stealth technology and the appearance of the SU-57 confirms this hypothesis
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal April 12 2021 05: 17
                0
                In the Su-57, the image intensifier is reduced by 3-4 times in comparison with the Su-35, but not radically (by an order of magnitude or two).
                The same J-20 is more consistent with the "stealth ideology".
                In particular, by some miracle they managed to master the technology of producing a coverless cockpit canopy.
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            6. 3danimal
              3danimal April 12 2021 07: 20
              0
              The bomber is larger, it will be visible from a greater distance.
              On the other hand, it has no keels ..
              But there are questions about the level of stealth developments, if you look back at other UAC aircraft.
        3. venik
          venik April 11 2021 13: 16
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Explain this also to the designers of the PAK-DA bomber, who for some reason
          believe in invisibility and do not consider it an American fairy tale. smile

          =========
          Did they (the designers) "whisper in your ear" personally to you? belay
          I've come across in the media about stealth - but about invisibility - heard nothing!
          PS What a "well-informed" you are with us! belay Or maybe "well instructed" ?? bully
          1. hydrox
            hydrox April 12 2021 10: 21
            +1
            They are probably paid extra for the fact that they take the conversation about the detection and removal of the target aside. After all, the main trick is that the S-400 complex will detect a target like Fushki not for 350-400 km, but for 200-300 km, since this complex is mainly engaged not in detecting targets, but in calculating their location in the space of the proper azimuth from which the detection signal was received (this is not a notch on the indicator, this is only the azimuth of the target).
            Next is the second piece, SHAME.
            Fushka is armed with an anti-radar missile advanced-anti-radiation-guided-missile-extended-range (AARGM-ER) range of destruction of about 130 km (the best product in the United States).
            Therefore, by the S-400 complex, Fushki's location in space is calculated at a distance of at least 250 km and the Start button is pressed, or this is done automatically when working in the network. Fushka will not be able to do an anti-aircraft maneuver due to his weak maneuvering abilities. In any case, Fushka does not have time to use her anti-radar missiles - AMBETS!
            Look how many liberal sofas will come running!
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 April 11 2021 10: 45
        -12%
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        There is a KID valve in the bubble

        The valve is a lie that F-35 buyers believe in, when everyone understands that invisibility is an American fairy tale, the bubble will burst.

        But when will the buyers of the F-35 understand American fairy tales, perhaps in the combat operation of those aircraft against the Russian defense industry ... And we, the Russians, inflate the bubbles of chewing gum ... winked hi
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 April 11 2021 13: 26
          -5
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          There is a KID valve in the bubble

          The valve is a lie that F-35 buyers believe in, when everyone understands that invisibility is an American fairy tale, the bubble will burst.

          But when will the buyers of the F-35 understand American fairy tales, perhaps in the combat operation of those aircraft against the Russian defense industry ... And we, the Russians, inflate the bubbles of chewing gum ... winked hi

          The American bubble will burst all the same - from not bloating, but from the decay of the American country? Rotting then we are Russians ....... From the Far East already ..... MOSCOWITES .... KRASNODARTS AND .... RUSSIANS of those regions, let's go to Kamchatka ..... to Magadan and Khabar .. ..Vladik still endures ... we come to you, you to us ... ... to share experiences ...
      3. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara April 11 2021 10: 52
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        There is a KID valve in the bubble

        The valve is a lie that F-35 buyers believe in, when everyone understands that invisibility is an American fairy tale, the bubble will burst.

        So he has little replacement, and the Americans themselves talk about it. Invisibility is the lot of fabulous journalists
      4. venik
        venik April 11 2021 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        The valve is a lie that F-35 buyers believe when everyone understands that invisibility is an american fairy tale, the bubble will burst.

        ========
        Is it by chance called "The Naked King"? lol
        1. figwam
          figwam April 11 2021 13: 39
          +3
          Quote: venik
          Is it by chance called "The Naked King"?

          The billions invested in the development give confidence that the EPR is 0.00000001m2, but in fact ...
  • WIKI
    WIKI April 11 2021 09: 11
    +2
    Quote: Ros 56
    The Vietnamese comrades are right

    Socialist Republic of Vietnam. To be comrades, we need to correspond to this.
    The definition of partners is more appropriate here.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 April 11 2021 09: 23
      +2
      Vietnamese press: USA fears that F-35 fighters will be powerless against Russian S-400 air defense systems

      Our S-400s, every Figna, they see at once! yes
  • URAL72
    URAL72 April 11 2021 09: 25
    +7
    Russian military doctrine has always been more defensive than offensive. Hence the mosquito fleet, excellent artillery, the best air defense in the world. According to the air defense system, Russia is ahead of everyone, while managing to meet the criterion of "price-quality". In aviation, America is ahead, but with such a budget, we could be the first. "It's no secret. But the enemy shouldn't know the exact data. That is why the Americans are so afraid of getting new machines into the zone of Russian air defense systems."
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot April 11 2021 11: 56
    +3
    Anyway ...
    After all, there is not only competition, technical characteristics, but also a reputation, to which is attached ... jealousy and a sense of loss of superiority.

    They see themselves as victors in the Cold War and, therefore, in the arms race. In which almost the rest of the world was convinced. The American is the best, and the alternatives are inherently dangerous to the entire project of global hegemony.
    To be afraid and to pay, to bow down and obey - this is the lot of all the rest, according to the "exceptional"!

    And here the dissenters have faith in the possibility of fighting back, the superman from Hollywood is not omnipotent, Ilya Muromets can suddenly hang on him. And Drakosha is also waiting around the corner, as if to whack a gaping star-striped hero with his tail, the S-400 is also stocked up ...

    And after all, if earlier they threatened with a finger that they could punish, and everyone made concessions, now opponents "brazenly" offer to play the Russian game "weak - not weak", or, in the American way, the game "chicken" (similarly: coward, cockerel - and this is their Eagle) ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 11 2021 14: 04
      +2
      Quote: RealPilot
      sense of loss of superiority

      This, in my opinion, is key. And the most offensive thing is that SIMPLE will lead to a global war. "I'm not in charge, so burn everything with a blue flame" - so many times in history. Not with nuclear weapons. Now will be the LAST time.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A April 11 2021 14: 01
    0
    Quote: Ros 56
    The Vietnamese comrades are right, in vain the striped ones are afraid, it really is!

    Is this news for the "Vietnamese press"? It takes a long time to reach them ... The camel is probably faster.
  • xorek
    xorek April 11 2021 09: 10
    +5
    The Vietnamese know a lot about Russian air defense, they will not lie .. How many "Phantoms" and other birds in the sky of Vietnam they clicked with us.
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 April 11 2021 10: 16
      +2
      first let 300 win, and there will also be 500 waiting
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin April 11 2021 18: 26
      0
      Quote: xorek
      The Vietnamese know a lot about Russian air defense, they won't lie ..

      And they are extremely honest ..
      Here is an excerpt from the article in which the author did not "notice" the most important thing, from where the legs grow.
      "The National Interest believes that Russia claims that the S-400 air defense system can easily detect and track the stealthy F-22, F-35 and B-2, because Russian radar technology are constantly being improved.I can be explained as follows: there are modern methods of dealing with "invisible" aircraft, including the reception of radio waves in space radar antennas, transmission and reception. "
      "If these rays are scattered by "invisible" flying objects, they are not lost, but spread to the sides, but still a small part of the signal emitted by the transmitter returns to the receiving antenna. If the receiving and transmitting antennas are separated by a suitable distance, the received signal will be large enough to detect invisible targets.
      ALL THESE THEORY AND ASSUMPTIONS ARE BASED ON THE WORD "IF".
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 11 2021 09: 38
    +7
    what
    They are not afraid, they know for sure. laughing
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 11 2021 09: 40
    +1
    Everything in the article is correct, except that the f35 is not a 5th generation aircraft, it can fly in supersonic for seconds! This is a maximum of 4 ++, or 5 ---!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 11 2021 10: 03
      0

      Thrifty
      Today, 09: 40
      +1
      Everything in the article is correct, except that the f35 is not a 5th generation aircraft, it can fly in supersonic for seconds! This is a maximum of 4 ++, or 5 ---!
      But when meriatos sells this bullshit for huge doughs (for example, to his allies laughing beat them to the fullest!) it seems to him that this is the green of the 5th pok. wink
      1. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 April 11 2021 10: 58
        -5
        [quote = aszzz888] [quote]
        Thrifty
        Today, 09: 40
        +1
        But when meriatos sells this bullshit for huge doughs (for example, to his allies laughing beat them to the fullest!) it seems to him that this is the green of the 5th pok. wink[/ Quote]
        The Americans sold their planes to their allies, albeit for a lot of money, business, making a profit, our head of the country said the same ..... our allies have no money, they have no oil and gas with timber ...... nothing they do not have ....... So they take the equipment for ... for nothing, in a word.
    2. venik
      venik April 11 2021 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      ...... Ф35 is not a 5th generation aircraft, it can fly at supersonic speed for seconds! This is a maximum of 4 ++, or 5 ---!

      ======
      You don't understand: It's the same a democratic 5th generation !!! He can take a few seconds!
      Ie: (5 - - -) = 5 (demo). laughing
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 11 2021 09: 53
    +2
    If abroad they know that the F-35 is easily detected by the Russian complex, then the demand for the fighter will go down.
    If someone really doesn't know, then they guess. It's just that North Atlantic solidarity does not allow talking about it out loud. At a meeting with the military attaches of foreign countries, the representative of the Russian General Staff stated that the Americans should not have any illusions, because their F-35s are clearly visible to Russian air defense systems.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 11 2021 10: 06
      -1

      rotmistr60 (Gennady)
      Today, 09: 53
      +1
      If abroad they know that the F-35 is easily detected by the Russian complex, then the demand for the fighter will go down.
      If someone really doesn't know, then they guess. It's just that North Atlantic solidarity does not allow talking about it out loud. At a meeting with the military attaches of foreign countries, the representative of the Russian General Staff stated that the Americans should not have any illusions, because them F-35 Russian air defense systems are perfectly visible.
      So no way! Wee sho? So this is a strong blow to the allies ... They then harbored hopes of invisibility, and now - bam! and capture on sight! laughing
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 11 2021 10: 42
        -1
        Eeeeee! Comrade adepts, still sho, you like a sickle in pennies! laughing I understand, I understand ... But zvinyayte, these are just flowers for fiflu-35, you will learn a lot about it, but later! laughing tongue laughing
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 April 11 2021 10: 08
    -3
    So far, both we and the Americans are in the same position.
    Americans talk about stealth planes, and we talk about
    the fact that we perfectly see these "invisibles". It's time to move from
    words to the point, and try to present the means of objective
    control for the detection of "invisible".
    The easiest way to do this is in Syria, you just have to try very hard.
    But here options are possible ... Maybe we do not want to violate those
    agreements that we have with some countries, or
    we do not want to disclose the capabilities of our air defense. And it is possible that
    we really don't see these stealth planes.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 11 2021 10: 24
      +1
      Some say. that there is a gopher, others say that there is no gopher. Both are unprovable. laughing
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino April 11 2021 10: 44
        +3
        Caution, the Crusades began with such disputes! wassat
        1. sabakina
          sabakina April 11 2021 10: 51
          0
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          Caution, the Crusades began with such disputes! wassat

          From gophers? belay
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 April 11 2021 11: 02
        -3
        Quote: sabakina
        Some say. that there is a gopher, others say that there is no gopher. Both are unprovable. laughing

        I strongly disagree with you !!!!! There are gophers ... In Krasnoyarsk, they began to come out of hibernation ... TV journalists filmed and showed on TV ...
    2. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino April 11 2021 10: 49
      +3
      Quote: Bez 310
      It's time to move from
      words to deed

      What for?
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara April 11 2021 10: 55
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      And it is possible that
      we really don't see these stealth planes.

      Of course, we do not see if there are 500 km to them and if the irradiation is frontal, and if the irradiation is lateral or in the tail? It is an exceptional question of distance and angle.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 April 11 2021 11: 22
        0
        Quote: Vol4ara
        It is an exceptional question of distance and angle.

        We must see planes like this before
        how they reach the range of application
        your weapon. All other "acrobatics
        the words "do not interest me.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 April 11 2021 11: 07
    -2
    Quote: El Chuvachino
    What for?

    The question is very interesting. But are answers needed?
    I partially answered this in my comment.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino April 11 2021 12: 26
      +1
      No, they did not answer. Once again, why reveal your trump cards?
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 April 11 2021 13: 22
        -2
        Quote: El Chuvachino
        No, they didn’t answer.

        And I think I answered: "... or we don't want to disclose the capabilities of our air defense."
        Are you going to argue, or just read the comment carefully?
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino April 11 2021 15: 43
          +1
          In your thesis there is a statement that it is "time", and then there is an explanation of the possible reasons why this does not happen.

          You cannot substantiate your call.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 April 11 2021 15: 46
            -2
            Quote: El Chuvachino
            You cannot substantiate your call.

            How do you say ...
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO April 11 2021 22: 51
    0
    Discovered America :)