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Who is always right? Or "zombie against the Internet"

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The development of modern technologies allows information about a particular event to be brought to the attention of people in a matter of minutes. That's just the "color" of this information depends on its perception and the consequences thereof. The very concept of fact is often replaced by opinion, which makes information not an objective reality, but only a point of view.


For example, the fact “blogger has been detained” from thousands of sources can be obtained in different interpretations. From "the lawlessness of the authorities fighting the conscience of the nation" to "the threat to the integrity of the state and the unity of the people has finally been eliminated." And it is the supporters of the positioning of the fact that face each other, trying to prove their innocence, which leaves the fact itself forgotten, and the stuffed bumps that interfere with sound thinking in the future. I do not take into account fakes, ducks and stuffing, originally created for a violent reaction in society. And only for her.

Thus, it is on the source of the information received that a person's reaction to a fact depends. Where to get information to be on the right side? From the media that has a censorship regulator, whose task is to cover the facts as objectively as possible (ideally)? Or from open sources, where everyone has the opportunity to describe an event or fact (again, an opinion)? Or not trust anyone, except the closest circle - they certainly won't lie?

Some questions. The answers are also points of view. Vicious circle.
And, in fact, for anyone who is forced to draw information from sources, there is a direct relationship: the source of information forms an opinion, opinion forms a list of sources of information. It's the same with the environment.

So, maybe the answer is a thorough analysis of the information received?

You collect information from all sources - both from those that you like, and from those from which you turn back. Then you try to systematize and, relying on knowledge and personal experience, you find the truth. Then you broadcast it and defend it.

Unfortunately, this also does not always work.

During the analysis, it will be the personal experience that is formed ... by the world around, which is utterly subjective (depending on perception), will be superimposed.

So, maybe the answer is in a mathematical approach?

2 + 2 always equals 4, no matter how hard you argue. So just assert the facts: "the politician has been re-elected"! Point. Opinion doesn't matter.

But the existing reality will show that then the opinion will be attributed to you by all the others who are involved in the discussion. This or that depends on those with whom you communicate. And then there will already be a need to convince opponents that you had nothing for or against.

So it turns out that, asserting the facts, you still have to argue. But you were right, speaking only the facts, but you still had to express your opinion and prove something. Checked - that's exactly what happens.

Or maybe not express an opinion.

And wait until time itself will dot the "e"? And the phrase "I told you so!" will be the best proof that you are right. Then you will write to everyone in the comments, and you will negate those who were mistaken.

That's just the meaning of your opinion then?

Yes история itself shows how many times the plus was turned into a minus, black - into white and vice versa. And what kind of camp will you end up in - right or not? Unknown.

It turns out that there is no objective truth? Is there only a person's idea of ​​the surrounding reality, created by this same reality?

So how, then, to prove your case to a clearly deluded opponent?

Probably not.

But this is just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR April 9 2021 18: 03
    +1
    2 + 2 = 5 or 3 .. drinks
    1. lucul
      lucul April 9 2021 18: 23
      +15
      2 + 2 = 5 or 3.

      Nonsense))))
      In the reality

      ))))))
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 9 2021 19: 21
        +9
        And the article is curious!
        It was in 96, we are going to the polls as a neighbor with our father, and I am with them. In the course of the play, they both convince me to vote for ebna to the point of drooling diarrhea, I, of course, say that he is the devil, he barely gets to a fight in front of the precinct. , we won the Yeltsinoids, let's celebrate. I deny, but, as in that old film, everyone drank for his Victory.
        Now they are in deep opposition and accept the mention of the fact, with the same slobbering diarrhea, that they voted, as I did for Ziu.
        It is useless to prove to them, they just reflashed their memory and believed in something that did not exist. Medicine somehow explains this phenomenon.
        PySy. Quite a little time will pass and it turns out that you don't ask anyone, but he (no one) voted for Putin.
        1. A.TOR
          A.TOR April 9 2021 20: 35
          +3
          I adhere, excuse me, to completely different outlooks on life, but your last phrase, judging by personal life experience, is absolutely 100%, but it will become true
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich April 10 2021 07: 15
            +4
            Stroporez, exactly the same situation (as with the elections) with the so-called "opinion polls":
            On TV they say "based on the results of opinion polls" and so on .. I immediately have a question
            - who was interviewed?
            - what category of people?
            - where? (in the building of the research institute or at the entrance to the station toilet booth)
            - how was the question formulated?
            And after all this, I myself have a question - is this the opinion of the crowd or the opinion of experts? ..
        2. Old electrician
          Old electrician April 10 2021 13: 19
          +2
          After the elections in 1996, we had a similar case in Naples. I spry about my business in uniform. To meet the granny. Seeing my form, the granny, apparently counting on a protracted universal street scandal, began to yell at the whole district, turning numerous passers-by at us:
          - Down with them !!! In the bayonets of the Herods !!! They don’t pay me a pension !!! And the fact that they pay is not a pension but a shame !!! etc., etc.
          I politely answered her:
          - Granny! Who did you vote for three months ago?
          You should have seen with what indescribable pride the grandmother declared:
          - For Yeltsin !!!!!!!!
          - And why the hell am I supposed to raise someone with bayonets for your stinking pension? !!!
          I was even surprised myself how after that the granny shut up tightly. The ecumenical scandal died out before it began.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 April 11 2021 17: 18
            0
            Demand from granny is not great. She, firstly, was formed during the time of unconditional faith in the printed word and the television presenter, and this is exactly what the bourgeois revolutionaries, first of all, grabbed and naturally formatted her pliant brain without much straining, and secondly, whoever she voted for, through thoughtlessness, the task of the defender is to protect his people, so that he feels good, and not hard. She was taken aback by your phrase, she was taught that a person in the form of hope and support. That's why she fell silent.
            1. Old electrician
              Old electrician April 12 2021 05: 41
              -1
              the task of the defender is to protect his people, so that he feels good
              - are you from bulk or belolentochnik?
              In 1996, Granny's dream of Yeltsin came true and what questions about this could be? She felt so good right after that! I can bet on anything, but if I had opposed the popularly elected then the same old ladies, and she herself would have poured boiling water on my head from the windows and brought bottles with Molotov cocktails to the fighters for democracy. Therefore, I am sincerely glad that on that day for the first time it dawned on her that “In the bayonets of the Herods” means “In the bayonets of Yeltsin” and she at least partially got rid of her childhood illusions.
              My task is to defend the Motherland from its external enemies (convince me that Russia does not have them), and not to arrange a Maidan at the first request of the workers. The fact that the grandmother's idol left her without a pension is her personal problem and no one else's.
              PS. By the way, in the era of the peak of white-ribbon protests, such grannies, for their modest assistance, provided extras at unauthorized rallies and spectacular photos for foreign media like “Protesting people and punishers from riot police”, etc.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 April 12 2021 09: 54
                0
                I am from the Bolsheviks.
                Granny's childhood elusions were brought up precisely in her beautiful childhood, under the USSR. And I was brought up this way and, you know, even some negative phenomena in the SA were not re-educated, when I also put on a uniform. The uniformed man is called upon to protect his people, the people of Karl! But after the change of the social system and judging by your words, about the personal problem of the granny, you were re-educated and now a person in uniform becomes potentially dangerous for people.
                We have more than enough external enemies, from the borders of the LPNR to the opposite side of the American continent. When I served, this border went a little further. We knew for sure that the enemy was behind the Berlin Wall ... But thanks to the efforts of the hucksters who usurped power in the 93rd, with the help of traitors such as EBN, it can already be carried out across Red Square.
                1. Old electrician
                  Old electrician April 12 2021 13: 17
                  0
                  Granny's childhood elusions were brought up precisely in her beautiful childhood under the USSR.
                  - During Perestroika, all these grannies were reforged as one and no longer remembered their Soviet past, and the USSR for them suddenly became the "Prison of Peoples". I am simply shocked by the speed with which the history of the USSR was reduced to the slogan "Stalin, Beria, GULAG" in the minds of the population. A simple example. Somehow in the 90s I had a chance to drink vodka in the company of workers. There were young people, and there were also elderly people. Over the drunkenness, we started talking about political repression, and then I, to put it mildly, went crazy. An old worker, a pensioner who grew up under Soviet rule, graduated from a Soviet school and served in the Soviet Navy after the war, suddenly began to praise some Vaska. This Vaska was a brainy, talented thermist even before the war. During the war he fell into the occupation and was taken to Germany. In Germany, Vaska became a leader in production and bathed in the benevolence of the Germans, because, according to this old worker, he was an outstanding thermist and why did he need to bury his talent in the ground ?! I don't know what exactly Vaska tempered in Germany - cores for armor-piercing bullets or armor plates, but in any case, this scoundrel with his talented hands killed Soviet soldiers. Well, after the war, the "unfortunate victim of political repression" Vaska was given 20 years for cooperation with the German administration, he served until the 1956 amnesty and returned to his native plant. The final drunken sob of the narrator: - “He is a thermist from God, and he is 20 years old !!! For what? !! ”... The most terrible thing for me was that none of this working company doubted the innocence of this Vaska, who, by the way, was also brought up by the Soviet school. In your opinion, I, re-educated by capitalism, have become potentially dangerous for the likes of Vasek? - I was it before!
                  From the first days of Perestroika, the party media of the USSR (there were simply no others) began an unprecedented defamation of the Soviet army. Even Americans were shocked by this propaganda campaign (read the article). Granny did not see me as a protector at all. My uniform was for her only an object of aggression, and for this granny I was the very Beria Herod who deprived her of her pension, a robber of the people who did not want to help him. The call to strike with hostility is just an attempt to check for "lice" and "involvement". The practice of those years shows that after such a check, everything could end in a stupid elementary massacre in the crowd. So, for example, in Moscow before the election of a popularly elected one, I witnessed how the crowd knocked down and kicked a woman who tore off a sheet of Yeltsin's propaganda. Democracy and freedom of speech is called. Therefore, I do not need fairy tales about a difficult grandmother's childhood. It was necessary to see this fanatical shine of hatred for the USSR in the eyes of a beggar grandmother.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 April 14 2021 09: 25
                    0
                    I was not there, and I cannot appreciate the glitter of hatred, in the eyes of my granny, drugged by anti-Soviet propaganda. But convinced, I've seen enough of this too. To this day, I cannot understand where so many businessmen in Russia drew when they were taught at school that this is a byaka and a burp of capitalism? In general, everything rotted away, and the propaganda and tanks on the bridge were sprouting grain sown by the experts. Tsvetnyachok, with the subsequent collapse was a success. hi
    2. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: SaLaR
      2 + 2 = 5 or 3 .. drinks

      The article is not about shotik yes
    3. Nazar
      Nazar April 10 2021 09: 41
      +1
      SaLaR - do we buy or sell? wink
  2. Svarog
    Svarog April 9 2021 18: 05
    +4
    So how, then, to prove your case to a clearly deluded opponent?

    Arguments and facts .. the main thing is facts .. you can't argue against them .. Well, there are individuals who are ready .. but they do not look convincing and funny ..
    1. apro
      apro April 9 2021 18: 17
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      .. main facts

      Is not a fact...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 9 2021 18: 39
        +9
        Quote: apro
        Quote: Svarog
        .. main facts

        Is not a fact...

        Well, for people with a stable psyche, it's a fact .. for "believers", dreamers, people who get information from one source .. probably not a fact ..
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 9 2021 18: 55
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Well, for people with a stable psyche, it's a fact .. for "believers", dreamers, people who get information from one source .. probably not a fact ..

          in the Brezhnev-Reagan race, Reagan came first, and we can say that Brezhnev took second place and Reagan ran to the finish line penultimate
          pay attention in the first and second case the pure truth and real facts
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 9 2021 18: 59
            +6
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            pay attention in the first and second case the pure truth and real facts

            Better pay attention to the fact that the race is not over .. from this fact and you need to build on. Well, if you look at Reagan and Brezhnev, then it is also an obvious fact that Brezhnev lost .. the result speaks about it .. the final .. unfortunately .. But he lost not in the race, but because Brezhnev ran in sneakers without laces. .without laces, since the system of transferring power and recruiting personnel was rotten with him .. or rather not with him, but even with Khrushch .. but he did not change anything ..
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir April 9 2021 19: 01
              +5
              Quote: Svarog
              But lost

              you understood what I meant, but you decided to use verbiage for something
              the fact can be presented in different ways and depending on how to do it, it will look differently
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 9 2021 19: 05
                +5
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: Svarog
                But lost

                you understood what I meant, but you decided to use verbiage for something
                the fact can be presented in different ways and depending on how to do it, it will look differently

                I do not agree .. more precisely to present it, yes .. but from how and what was presented, it does not mean at all that it is a fact. The fact is an unconditional conclusion, which is based on real confirmation and proof .. well, of course, you can do demagoguery and philosophy .. But in the example you gave, the fact is that Brezhnev lost .. What's wrong?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir April 9 2021 20: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: Svarog
                  does not mean that it is a fact.

                  Brezhnev came second - FACT ?!
                  Reagan - the penultimate, the same FACT?
                  and the fact that Reagan won again FACT!
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter April 9 2021 19: 28
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                the fact can be presented in different ways and depending on how to do it, it will look differently

                Litter TV rules here completely!
                1. forty-eighth
                  forty-eighth April 9 2021 20: 04
                  +3
                  Nightingale Dung recently called Hitler "the good guy." Did he suffer any punishment? The answer is obvious.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter April 9 2021 20: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: forty-eighth
                    Nightingale Dung recently called Hitler "the good guy." Did he suffer any punishment? The answer is obvious.

                    He also made a film about Duce.
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir April 9 2021 20: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Litter TV rules here completely!

                  https://www.dialog.ua/
                  https://www.golosameriki.com/
                  https://www.altyn-orda.kz/

                  TV smokes nervously on the sidelines
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 9 2021 19: 50
            +7
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            take your attention in the first and second case, the pure truth and real facts

            And you are an enthusiast, my friend! Everything has long been invented by a very famous German named Josef

            For informational purposes and no propaganda. yes
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 9 2021 18: 52
        +3
        Quote: apro
        .. main facts

        facts can be presented in such a way that ...
        1. Motorist
          Motorist April 9 2021 21: 39
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          facts can be presented in such a way that ...

          Well, yes, here's - for example: The author writes with a claim to neutrality "blogger detained." It turns out that he was detained for blogging - right? One could also convey this: "a father with many children has been detained" - it seems to be a fact, but it sounds more trashy ...
      3. Hagen
        Hagen April 9 2021 20: 47
        +3
        Quote: apro
        Is not a fact...

        In the parable of the blind sages and the elephant, each of the sages was right. It's just that each of them felt their part of the elephant, not realizing that there are other parts. So it is with the facts. Whoever has a lot of them will have the maximum opportunities for correct analysis. But there are nuances. For example, the ability to analyze the available facts. That is why people who have the opportunity to receive approximately the same amount of information about "facts" can evaluate these "facts" in completely different ways. Therefore, I agree with you, it is not at all a fact that the main thing is "fact". Our disputes on the forum are proof of this.
      4. Nazar
        Nazar April 10 2021 09: 49
        +1
        apro - and it depends on what "fact", if the caliber is 7,62, and with full ammunition, then there is nothing special to argue against such a "fact" hi
        So, of course, you can prove your innocence with a kind word, but complete with a barrel, the likelihood of convincing your opponent increases many times wassat
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 10 2021 09: 53
          +3
          Quote: Nazar
          and it depends on what "fact", if the caliber is 7,62, and with full ammunition, then there is nothing special to argue against such a "fact"

          "A kind word and a colt can achieve much more than just a kind word." (c) Al Capone. wink
    2. dauria
      dauria April 9 2021 18: 19
      +13
      . main facts .. against them you can not argue


      Especially carefully selected for opinion wink And the inconvenient facts are modestly overlooked ... It is ridiculous to observe the arguments in the divorce of a husband and wife - both are right nowhere else. And the facts are real - you can't trample against them. He's a bastard, she's a bastard. wassat
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 9 2021 18: 43
        +7
        Quote: dauria
        And the facts are real - you can't trample against them. He's a bastard, she's a bastard.

        In case of divorce, the fact must be discovered .. since emotions prevail .. and in politics a fact is a result .. There is a result-fact, no result is a fact ..
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 9 2021 19: 32
        +3
        Quote: dauria
        It is ridiculous to observe the arguments in the divorce of a husband and wife - both are right nowhere further. And the facts are real - you can't trample against them. He's a bastard, she's a bastard.

        And the nastiest reptiles simply do not exist.! laughing drinks
        Quote: dauria
        Especially carefully selected for opinion

        Comrade, almost like that, first they form an opinion, and then they adjust the facts. For example, how is bald and snowy and then bang-crucified boy! Silver will then be found, but the sediment will remain. hi
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 9 2021 21: 57
      +10
      Quote: Svarog
      .glavnoe facts .. against them you will not argue.

      Very much even trample. Have you not faced the fact that people simply refuse to perceive facts that are inconvenient for their worldview? Well, you must admit that it happened more than once or twice, even here, on VO, give a fact, and in response, a silent minus. You can't argue with a fact, but can't you accept it? Yes, easily. They simply move away from the fact, and evil is poured out on you, because there is no point in poking into the fact that reality and the picture created by the imagination have very little in common with each other. Feature of the human psyche. It is more comfortable to exist in a fictional world than in a real one. And the one who destroys illusions is enemy number one, and indeed - the devil in the flesh. yes
      1. Dmt
        April 12 2021 17: 16
        0
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        people simply refuse to perceive facts that are inconvenient for their worldview

        In principle, the meaning of the article is in this, but all the same, they prove something to each other, argue ...
    4. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED April 10 2021 00: 47
      0
      Arguments and facts .. the main thing is facts .. you can't argue against them.

      No "facts" can exist in reality.
      There are no facts, there is only our perception of events. The perception of an event is formed in each individual (community) of its own (as they think), under the influence of many external influences, from genetics ... to agitation ...
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 10 2021 02: 24
        +9
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        No "facts" can exist in reality.

        I am very sorry, but what about the fact of death or is this also our perception of events? Or maybe all the same a fact?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 10 2021 06: 12
          +5
          Quote: Malyuta
          but what about the fact of death or is it also our perception of events? Or maybe all the same a fact?

          For some, this is just the perception of events. There is no death in religion. The soul is immortal. And in some cases even the body is resurrected.

          Therefore, very many people are able to believe in all sorts of fables, completely ignoring reality. You don't have to go far, the Zaputins are a clear confirmation of this.
        2. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED April 10 2021 13: 45
          +2
          Is there a fact, a fact? Or is it the presentation of the event or its perception?
          For example.
          The criminal attacked the grandmother, killed and robbed.
          At that moment, the grandmother's relative was nearby, chased the criminal and began to beat him in the street.
          The beating was noticed by a passer-by.
          The police came and took all three of them.

          What is "fact" here?
          For each side, the "facts" are different.
          For a murderer - a drug addict, there is a fact - withdrawal. It is necessary to shoot at any cost.
          For the late grandmother, there was the fact of the attack, then - that's it.
          For a relative, there is the fact of a citizen's attack on his grandmother and the fact of a robbery.
          For a passer-by there is the fact of beating up a "defenseless citizen" (a murderer - a drug addict and a robber) by another, aggressive and evil citizen.
          For the police, there is the fact of the riots and the fact of the reason for the subsequent proceedings.
          Each side has its own facts.
          And I still do not quote the "facts" of three local newspapers and two TV channels that wrote and reported on this incident.
  3. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 9 2021 18: 08
    +1
    So, maybe the answer is in a mathematical approach?
    2 + 2 always equals 4, no matter how hard you argue.

    No not always. This equation has 3 solutions, depending on the number system:

    Ternary: 2 + 2 = 11
    Quaternary: 2 + 2 = 10
    Next: 2 + 2 = 4.

    Even in mathematics, there are always several options, even more so in life.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 9 2021 19: 51
      +12
      During the analysis, it will be the personal experience that is formed ... by the world around, which is utterly subjective (depending on perception), will be superimposed.

      I am not going to repeat to you the common truths about subjectivism, the role of personality in history and morality, accepted for society and recorded in the tablets.
      Naturally, subjective, what comes from one subject (one source, one rule). But, if someone's subjective position is confirmed by clear examples, facts, then it goes into the category of public opinion.
      It is true that two men cannot naturally have a baby, regardless of the size and firmness of the buttocks. It is also true that the fragile mind of a child cannot impose his opinion on society due to his little life experience. It is unambiguously known that the mass media owned by private individuals will express only the opinion pleasing to their owners, and the “Internet” community, free from censorship, does not always use reliable sources and may pursue purely mercantile interests.
      So who's always right? The one who spreads the information obtained from verified sources is right, without imposing his subjective attitude on him. Political fabrications should not be taken seriously. You cannot believe the reasoning of people who live by special rules and have the status of immunity.
      It is foolish to give out data on the growth of life expectancy of the country's population, relying on data on the increased number of elderly citizens. Life expectancy can only reflect statistics (ordered data) on mortality and age of the deceased. This is the only way to calculate the average life expectancy for a specified period.
      Whatever “rainbow pictures” the propagandists paint, but if specific people cannot afford to spend more than two hundred rubles a day on food, then all the talk about the middle class, about the material well-being of the population is a common “bullshit”.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 9 2021 20: 24
      +3
      Bravo, colleague!
    3. VORON538
      VORON538 April 10 2021 00: 22
      +1
      This is of course true in theory, but the fact remains: take four coins, spread them out in front of you, no matter how you add them, there will not be more than four of them :)))
  4. sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 9 2021 18: 09
    +14
    ... So how, then, to prove your case to a clearly deluded opponent?

    Probably not.


    Exactly. And it makes no sense.
    I have been designing sea-based air defense systems for 7 years. After college. And they shot everything at the ranges. In the beginning, out of inexperience, I tried to argue with the local gurus about something. Then I realized it was meaningless. Neither personal experience, nor knowledge, nor practice - nothing helps against the opinion of the EXPERT. Then he spat. I just read articles on this topic. Sometimes I laugh, sometimes I cry. They know better. They ... just know more than me. Some signals from space, probably.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick April 9 2021 18: 59
      +1
      Neither personal experience, nor knowledge, nor practice - nothing helps against the opinion of an EXPERT


      I also ran into this, like, we always do this ...
      And this is just professional swagger.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 10 2021 09: 05
        +3
        Quote: Konnick
        Neither personal experience, nor knowledge, nor practice - nothing helps against the opinion of an EXPERT


        I also ran into this, like, we always do this ...
        And this is just professional swagger.

        I had to, there is only my opinion, and the other is not correct.
  5. 501Legion
    501Legion April 9 2021 18: 12
    +8
    the internet is now a garbage dump worse than a telly
    1. apro
      apro April 9 2021 18: 19
      -6
      Quote: 501Legion
      the internet is now a garbage dump worse than a telly

      She was a trash heap, but unlike TV, she is not subject to the opinion of the editors ... yet.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 9 2021 18: 59
        +3
        Quote: apro
        but unlike tv. is not subject to the opinion of the editors ... yet.

        What are you? !!
        really or what? !!!!!
        at large or in the voice of America, try to argue with the editors or write something that runs counter to the opinion of the editors
        1. apro
          apro April 10 2021 00: 53
          -1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          at large or in the voice of America, try to argue with the editors or write something that runs counter to the opinion of the editors

          And why do I need the opinion of the editorial board ??? all the more to argue with her. I am interested in the information.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 10 2021 07: 48
            0
            Quote: apro
            She was a trash heap, but unlike TV, she is not subject to the opinion of the editors ... yet.

            Quote: apro
            And why do I need the opinion of the editorial board ??? all the more to argue with her. I am interested in the information.

            you already will be redistributed
            1. apro
              apro April 10 2021 08: 01
              -1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you already will be redistributed

              Decided a long time ago. Using many sources. You can always find an alternative opinion.
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              freedom or the voice of america try to argue with the editors

              Once again, why do I need the opinion of the editorial board, the owner of the resource, and what more to argue with her about something? I use my opinion to evaluate the information.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 10 2021 09: 36
                0
                once again, you stated
                Quote: apro
                unlike tv. is not subject to the opinion of the editors ... yet.

                you have been pointed out that this statement is wrong, you
                Quote: apro
                Once again, why do I need the opinion of the editorial board of the resource owner

                then what's the difference between tv and tyrnet if you don't care?
                1. apro
                  apro April 10 2021 09: 40
                  -1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  then what's the difference between tv and tyrnet if you don't care?

                  The difference in information and convenience of access. At TV, the information content is limited. And the higher pressure of interested structures. In the Internet, this is somewhat easier.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 10 2021 15: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: apro
                    The difference in information and ease of access. TV has limited information content

                    sorry, but our dispute began with the fact that YOU STATED about
                    Quote: apro
                    different from tv. is not subject to the opinion of the editors ... yet.

                    and now you are trying to change your shoes in the air
                    1. apro
                      apro April 10 2021 15: 34
                      -2
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      and now you are trying to change your shoes in the air

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      then what's the difference between tv and tyrnet if you don't care?

                      Do not understand.
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 April 10 2021 00: 27
        +2
        The past elections in the United States and the blocking of Trump's pages clearly showed that the Internet is also censored. And this happened in the "most democratic and free" country in the world, whose policies are taught to other countries of life!
    2. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 9 2021 18: 19
      +12
      The most honest and independent source of information is a video recorder))
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 April 9 2021 18: 21
        +1
        Quote: WHAT IS
        The most honest and independent source of information is a video recorder))


        So why did you call Channel One a video recorder now?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 9 2021 18: 44
          +6
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: WHAT IS
          The most honest and independent source of information is a video recorder))


          So why did you call Channel One a video recorder now?

          And where did you get the idea that the first channel is honest and independent?
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 19: 10
          +4
          Quote: sergo1914
          So why did you call Channel One a video recorder now?

          Oh, well, it’s a crooked mirror, and it’s not enough to call it.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 9 2021 18: 53
        +24
        Quote: WHAT IS
        The most honest and independent source of information is a video recorder))

        It depends on the direction in which you directed it - you did not write down the event, but it is, and you think that it did not exist
    3. saigon
      saigon April 9 2021 18: 20
      +6
      The huge difference between tyrnet and tivi is that in addition to garbage, tyrnet contains a lot of useful information, for example, of a technical nature.
      Completely different systems, tivi is just information, the communication medium with the advent of TV radio gave way to the main technical information resource, with the advent of tyrnet it also happens with tivi.
      Everything changes . there is no permanent under the sun.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 10 2021 09: 09
        +2
        Quote: saigon
        The huge difference between tyrnet and tivi is

        The fact that you have a choice in obtaining information from different sources and on any topic of interest, as well as feedback and discussion, but in litter-tv this is not and is unlikely to be.
    4. Overlock
      Overlock April 9 2021 18: 58
      +23
      Quote: 501Legion
      the internet is now a garbage dump worse than a telly

      Here are just a lot of useful information from these sources: GPS trackers, keyloggers, traffic interception
  6. lucul
    lucul April 9 2021 18: 21
    +5
    So, maybe the answer is a thorough analysis of the information received?

    You collect information from all sources - both from those that you like, and from those from which you turn back. Then you try to systematize and, relying on knowledge and personal experience, you find the truth. Then you broadcast it and defend it.

    Truth is always one, just many perceive the world around them differently.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 9 2021 20: 01
      +6
      Quote: lucul
      Truth is always one, just many perceive the world around them differently.

      It's right. Some don't want to see the obvious. Others, in the most acute situations, are "suddenly" attacked by "deafness." Still others always believe that what the boss says is true. For the fourth, "some form of truth" is acceptable, which suits everyone. Fifths go so far as to pass off their own delirium as the truth. yes
  7. apro
    apro April 9 2021 18: 23
    -2
    The eternal question is what prevails over propaganda or personal opinion. Experience. Outlook on life.
    To form an opinion is a difficult process, and for this to happen, it is necessary through the barriers of ignorance of the imposed opinion of false principles.
    But having formed a personal opinion. Look at the propaganda attempt to somehow influence it. It's funny.
  8. lubesky
    lubesky April 9 2021 18: 28
    +13
    My way is to analyze multiple sources. The splitting of the facts in the bottom line, and then your own subjective analysis of the obtained facts follows and the conclusion of your opinion, which will change based on new facts. And so in a circle. For example - I like everything and how Yakov Kedmi speaks, but! After analyzing the facts, I came to the conclusion that he is a banal provocateur, pursuing the interests of a narrow circle of people and Israel.
    1. apro
      apro April 9 2021 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: lubesky
      he is a banal provocateur

      This is exactly. When they pedal too much, then they lead to sad thoughts ... and the Cossack is sent in. And how he sang.
    2. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 9 2021 18: 32
      +9
      My way is to analyze multiple sources

      Yes, this is the most effective method, I also try to watch TV, the Internet, and newspapers before drawing any conclusions, and not rely on just one source of information.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog April 10 2021 06: 41
      +5
      Quote: lubesky
      For example - I like everything and how Yakov Kedmi speaks, but! After analyzing the facts, I came to the conclusion that he is a banal provocateur, pursuing the interests of a narrow circle of people and Israel.

      It was to the same conclusion that I came .. and another curious detail .. Kedmi very often makes predictions .. and not one came true, at least while I followed them.
    4. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 10 2021 09: 13
      +2
      Quote: lubesky
      For example - I like everything and how Yakov Kedmi speaks, but! After analyzing the facts, I came to the conclusion that he banal provocateur, pursuing the interests of a narrow circle of people and Israel.

      On the litter-tv others are not kept, this is an endless show under the motto "More Hell!".
      Remember a certain Komisarov and his "windows" program, this is an image and a matrix for all garbage talk shows and television in general.
  9. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 9 2021 18: 42
    +9
    Facts often give rise to COMPLETELY LOGICAL QUESTIONS. From the answers to which, or from the degree of coverage of the most predictable questions with answers, ultimately depends on the subject's trust in a particular source.
    For example, we have a fact - under G elend * zhik, D was found in the orets for X-billion, with a pod3emnoy hockey box, a no-fly zone, a helipad and a huge territory
    It is a fact ? Fact. This dick is there. Then people have quite logical questions - why the no-fly zone? Who does it own? Where does so much bobble come from? And so on. These are legitimate questions - and the degree of their elaboration in the coverage of this "fact" in the state media was, to put it mildly, ugly. Therefore, in the information war, this battle remained with the opposition sources - who just paid the maximum number of logical questions in connection with the fact - maximum attention.

    Therefore, I will assume that from the expanded and most informative coverage of the questions arising in connection with the fact, it directly depends on whether one side or another merges the information battlefield or wins. And with respect to what degree of ability of a population group, it can also differ. For a group of the population conventionally marked as "idiots" it is enough for some state propagandist to play the fool for a couple of minutes, actively gesticulating with his hands and sprinkling with savory words - so that legitimate questions cease to exist or an answer was received in the style of "yes, her ...". Those who are smarter will need to put in more effort, while others will even notice the falsity and form their own attitude to the fact on the basis of "indirect signs", that is, the authorities' desire to avoid the most savory questions.

    In a word, if skillful and good liars, professionals in their field work in journalism, they can rub glasses on a wider spectrum of the population. If there are some hands-on experience, accustomed to broadcasting to plowmen and tractor drivers (plowmen and tractor drivers, no offense), then there is nothing to be surprised that the population will become more and more polarized from such "labor".
    1. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart April 9 2021 18: 44
      +6
      I apologize for the transliteration, etc., your site reacts incredibly interestingly to the phrases "palace" "hockey rink" "Gelendzhik" ... probably this is pure coincidence :-)
      1. Konnick
        Konnick April 9 2021 19: 02
        +2
        your site reacts incredibly interestingly to the phrases "palace" "hockey rink" "Gelendzhik" ... probably this is pure coincidence :-)

        What international are you for?
        1. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart April 9 2021 19: 06
          +3
          I am apolitical) Life has never been good in our country and, judging by the traditionally chosen ways and methods, it will not. There were times when people were milked for the glory of great goals, there were times when just like that - for me this is what is called the fact of "milking" and I don't care what it was for if the result was not achieved.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick April 9 2021 19: 24
            +3
            Most in the country, like English gentlemen, take a word laughing , and Lenin also said, you can't believe everything that is written about on the Internet. But seriously, the lack of own knowledge leads to such a result.
            But seriously, Marx wrote, not on the Internet, of course, but on paper - you can't believe everything, question everything, look for your truth ...
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 19: 12
      +3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      If there are any hands 0 * experience, accustomed to broadcasting to plowmen and tractor drivers (plowmen and tractor drivers, no offense)

      What do you have against plowmen-tractor drivers?
  10. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 9 2021 18: 48
    +7
    Philosophers have long decided what is the difference between truth and truth. Throwing of the author is connected with the fact that he did not have to study philosophy.

    The search for truth in print or electronic media is generally thankless and even useless.

    You can't trust anyone. I can. (C)
    hi
    1. Avior
      Avior April 9 2021 19: 13
      +4
      This handsome hero of Armor can be trusted, but this fruit does not have a desire to believe something ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov April 9 2021 19: 30
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        This handsome hero of Armor can be trusted ...

        You still don't know what a reptile the third assistant to the director was, who put this text to Leonid Sergeevich ...
      2. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth April 9 2021 20: 10
        +1
        Bronevoy said that if he knew what kind of animal he was going to play, he would never agree to the role.
        PS I didn't want to offend animals.
        1. Avior
          Avior April 9 2021 20: 27
          +1
          In the film, characters of this type are a dime a dozen, there were animals and worse, perhaps, but in general, the director and the actors turned out to be glamorous.
          This character is specific in its own way.
          In fact, only kicks and threats to deprive him of his career were driven into the Nazi party only in 1939, the Nazis themselves did not represent him in the party
          .... requested the local NSDAP group in Pasing, responsible for Mueller. From there came the following answer: “How Mueller received his honorary title in the SS, we do not know. (...) We can hardly imagine him as a member of the party "...
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 9 2021 19: 29
      +4
      And I liked it. That's just, in the backyard of consciousness, a thought is scraping: and this article, for an hour, is not a throw-in, engaged in a "known" image? ... laughing
  11. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 9 2021 18: 49
    +1
    Uh ... what's the point of the article? to philosophize slightly?

    No data, no statistics, no examples ...

    It is more logical to go to the babak on the rubble, there are at least examples ...

    PS. The information of the overwhelming majority of articles directly contradicts the zombie box. IMHO.
    Who is right, who to believe ..... ???
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 10 2021 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: Max1995
      Who is right, who to believe ..... ???

  12. Overlock
    Overlock April 9 2021 18: 50
    +20
    there is no objective truth? Is there only a person's idea of ​​the surrounding reality, created by this same reality?

    And this "reality" is very difficult to understand, since it is formed by the same people with certain convictions.
  13. place
    place April 9 2021 18: 56
    +2
    You can prove your opponent is right only if he is looking for the truth. But 90% of people are inclined to something else: to self-affirmation. Therefore, the opponent will send you to ....... even if he himself realizes that he is wrong.
    However, looking for the truth for oneself is a difficult task, BUT possible. First, it is required to separate the fact itself from its meaning, from the logic that unites cause and effect in a chain of facts. ITSELF - THE FACT DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING. Why? Because the attitude towards it is formed by the meaning of the fact, its causes and effects. It is not the fact itself that is important, but its assessment as "bad" or "good".

    THEREFORE, one should take the basis of certainty as a basis, and then see if the fact being verified does not contradict them. THE SIMPLEST EXAMPLE; verifiable fact; "Lenin received money from the German General Staff." How should we treat this?
    Basic facts:
    1- "Lenin and Comrades" founded a state independent from the West - the USSR.
    2.- Hitler did not broadcast anything to the public about such an agent of Germany, although he would have benefited.
    Comparing, we get that, believing in a verifiable fact, we come to the conclusion that the Generalshab of Germany financed the creation of the USSR, and Hitler concealed the fact of recruiting Lenin by Germany to his own detriment. The contradiction shows that the fact being checked has not passed the check for non-inconsistency with the basic one.
    1. tatra
      tatra April 9 2021 19: 28
      -3
      Using the example of their anti-Sovietism to justify their seizure of the USSR, the enemies of the Communists proved that they would not only distort any fact as they liked, declare black as white, and white as black, but also create “facts” that did not exist in world history. and it cannot be how the bourgeoisie of one country "sponsored" a socialist / communist revolution in another country, and the communists staged an anti-socialist / anti-communist revolution with them, declared themselves criminals, and declared all those repressed by them "innocent victims"
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov April 9 2021 19: 43
        +4
        Well, there's nothing you can do about it. Russia is a country with an unpredictable past.
        1. tatra
          tatra April 9 2021 19: 46
          -2
          Unfortunately, according to the "history" of the enemies of the communists after their seizure of the USSR, Russia is a country with a criminal past, and the Russian people have nothing to be proud of in their history, but they only need to "repent" for those "crimes" that the enemies of the communists will invent.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov April 9 2021 20: 18
            +7
            They began to rewrite history long before the capture of the USSR. So the communists shouldn't pretend to be Kazan orphans here. They were exactly the same enemies of the "capitalists" and demanded that they repent for their invented crimes. And they not just demanded, but crumbled them into small cabbage, and with them for one thing all those who were recorded as enemies of the people, Trotskyists, cosmopolitans, etc., etc. So the communists were very lucky even after the seizure and they got off, one might say, slight fright.
            By the way, this has nothing to do with the pride of the great Russian people in their history. It has many wonderful pages. They cannot be crossed out or wiped out. However, exaggerated anxiety about rewriting the past comes only from a vague present and pessimistic predictions about the future. Sorry to be blunt, madam. hi
            1. ivan2022
              ivan2022 April 11 2021 09: 46
              0
              Quote: A. Privalov
              They began to rewrite history long before the capture of the USSR. So the communists shouldn't pretend to be Kazan orphans here.


              This is a typical example of the reasoning of a flawed descendant of serfs, who habitually reports to the "society" how he was "raped" once again and will always be so; "Good pan, I didn’t come! And we were so happy .....". The idea that no normal gentleman has any interest in "being someone else's enemies" for the sake of the "bright future" of slaves does not fit into his head. SHOULD BE SOMETHING TO BE A KIND NOBLE BARIN!
              Therefore, in the "land of slaves, the land of masters", any even initially progressive political party will not receive truly mass support among the people. It is doomed to eventually turn into a "party of OPG-AUE" - this is the blessed people that will always understand and support. But at the same time, he habitually and wisely notes that "these people also rob, like others robbed, and let Kazan orphans not pretend to be themselves." Disgusting to disgust ...
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        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 9 2021 20: 36
          +2
          Russia is a country with an unpredictable past.
          Bravo, Alexander! Yours? Let me quote?
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov April 9 2021 20: 47
            +3
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Yours? Let me quote?

            Not at all. The author is Mikhail Zadornov. Sorry I didn't quote. The source says: "Russia is a great country with an unpredictable past!" hi
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 9 2021 20: 59
              +2
              An example of how you can go down in history with one phrase
          2. Avior
            Avior April 9 2021 20: 51
            +1
            This is Zadornov.
            Zadornov's film "Great country with an unpredictable past" is with his performances
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 9 2021 21: 00
              +2
              Thank you! Answered above, to a colleague Privalov.
    2. Avior
      Avior April 9 2021 19: 52
      0
      Additional facts
      1. What kind of West? Is this the one that was at war with each other at that moment? And before that, the Russian Empire was dependent on the "West"?
      2. Hitler's policy was based on the fact that the communists and Jews made a coup in Russia, do you think he would have confirmed that the Germans participated with them?
      Additional facts show that there are no contradictions, so the conclusion about verification cannot be accepted
  14. Overlock
    Overlock April 9 2021 19: 00
    +22
    Who is always right? Or "zombie against the Internet"

    In the end, "refrigerator" wins
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave April 9 2021 19: 21
      +3
      And he always wins.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 9 2021 20: 11
        +3
        You speak the truth. drinks

        Hello Anton! smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 9 2021 20: 17
          +1
          Hi Uncle Kostya!
          "Love comes and goes, but you always want to eat"
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 9 2021 20: 31
            +4
            An old and immutable truth. good drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 9 2021 20: 41
              +3
              No, somewhat not so. For I know firsthand what a "blockade ration" is. I understand that I am "not for my age", at all, but this is how life turned out ...
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 9 2021 20: 46
                +5
                Well, I didn’t have a chance, but my mother took a sip of the blockade, fortunately her hospital was taken out along the Road of Life, but this was enough for her for the rest of her life.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave April 9 2021 20: 54
                  +4
                  In my city, the word "blockade" is pronounced with a capital letter.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish April 9 2021 20: 56
                    +3
                    And it’s clear why.
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter April 10 2021 09: 24
                  +3
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  but that was enough for her for the rest of her life.

                  The war was enough for everyone and for a lifetime. Many of our contemporaries do not know what mess is and how to cook wood glue.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 20: 58
                +8
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                I understand that I am "not for my age", at all, but this is how life turned out ...

                You don't understand a damn thing. Live at least six months for one Doshirak a day, then you will understand.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave April 9 2021 21: 10
                  +1
                  Oh yeeeo! And you, Volodya, do you understand? Do you understand directly what it means to feed a family of four in December 98th?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 21: 22
                    +5
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Do you understand directly what it means to feed a family of four in December 98th?

                    And what is December 98th to me? Do you fucking understand how it is spinning in 2021? When there is a fine for a hike without a mask, and you were deceived for a couple of tens of thousands? You, Antoshka, sit and rejoice there, but don't touch me, understand?
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave April 9 2021 21: 36
                      +2
                      Did I allow you to call me "Antoshka" ??? An extreme case of this happened in 1980, and these were my parents.
                      Or, from now on, let me consider you, Vladimir, my enemy?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 21: 43
                        +1
                        Yes, consider what you want, you are antoshka. 1998 year? Come on, squeeze out another tear.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave April 9 2021 21: 52
                        0
                        It's a pity, of course, to say goodbye like this, but: get in the ass, wow !!!
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 21: 57
                        0
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        but: go to the ass, wow !!!

                        What an asshole you are, your honor.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish April 10 2021 16: 15
                        +2
                        Volodya, why are you overeating henbane? Why the hell did you run into Anton? I never expected from you, out of the blue, and some kind of plebeian scandal.
                        In vain you are all this, if the word.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 10 2021 16: 24
                        0
                        I'm drunk in the ass. For the second day I persuade the third liter.
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish April 10 2021 17: 11
                        +2
                        Volodya, it's your business, but maybe it's worth apologizing.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 21: 30
          +1
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Do you understand directly what it means to feed a family of four in December 98th?

          And don't cry. I'll tell you right now that you're fucking. I have to eat barley barley to use the Internet.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 21: 32
          +3
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Do you understand directly what it means to feed a family of four in December 98th?

          And yet ... You, maramami, did not understand anything. Life took you a little on the asphalt.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 9 2021 21: 39
            0
            I already understood. I took it. You can not understand.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 21: 53
              +1
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              I took it. You can not understand.

              What do you understand, rag asshole? How do you understand fifteen years without a job? How was the slave of the gypsies, understand that? Sit yourself and drink in two holes, and tell this Alik from Krasnodar how you live well.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave April 9 2021 22: 00
              0
              asshole rag
              You will answer for this.
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 22: 15
              0
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              You will answer for this.

              I will answer for everything, Antoshka.
  • Svarog
    Svarog April 9 2021 20: 17
    +3
    Quote: Overlock
    Who is always right? Or "zombie against the Internet"

    In the end, "refrigerator" wins

    And this is the most that is not to eat, a fact!
    1. depressant
      depressant April 9 2021 23: 14
      +7
      Let me squeeze in, colleagues)))
      Is this how I form my own opinion? Not quickly, but on the basis of facts, often subtle, such that the broad masses of Internet regulars do not pay attention to, and I line them up and get the logic of domestic politics at the current moment.

      As an example, I will cite the events that I have already used on various topics.
      At the end of 2019, Mr. Novak proposes to the President to build another gas processing plant next to the existing ones directly in the places where gas flows from the bowels with the participation of the state budget. Hooray!!!
      Drawn by Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Removich Belousov. Well, I think the work will boil !! A statesman, however.

      A year has passed, but they have not even discussed the GPP yet. What's happening? Busy sharing portfolios? Are they butting? Not up to the economy? And in general, there is something suspicious at the top, a certain intensity that does not lead to the intensity of industrial production ...

      And the other day, Mr. President was deigned to come to rest in Tuva. But, surprisingly, the Governor of Tuva, Mr. Sholban Kara-ool, was not allowed to kiss his hand! And as soon as Putin flew to Moscow, Sholban Kara-ool flew out of his workplace for demanding the return to Tuva of the lands that had entered the Krasnoyarsk Territory and the Irkutsk Region. And before that, Mr. Baysarov, the former son-in-law of Pugacheva, who in 2013 dumped about 600 million rubles for a license to develop a rare coking coal deposit here, in Tuva, refused to build a railway from the deposit to Bam, holding the promised him about 190 million rubles - they say, mine, I won't! And I won't give it to the terminal in Vladivostok! Although he promised.

      These two fronts in Tuva especially strained me, and I made the final conclusion. If such small fry dared to become insolent and bark, then tectonic struggles for power are really taking place at the top, and this is under the current president! One thoroughly corrupt bipod is an official. The second bipod, with Kadyrov behind him, is an entrepreneur. This means that in the space near the Kremlin, the "titans" are fighting to the death for the right to destroy the budget.

      And for sure! As recently as today, information and whole collections of articles about the battle of the "titans" appear, about the fact that Nabiullina and Siluanov, who almost left, but did not manage to leave, - so they, together with Navalny, are going to commit a coup d'etat, remove Putin replacing him with Khodorkovsky ... And then I laugh!
      General conclusion. You can create a political rattle of a coup d'etat and rattle it quite convincingly in front of a naive man in the street. You can even knock on the shaman's tambourine. Fools like Sholban and Baysarov will immediately buy - take them lukewarm. But the cumulative fact of anarchy resulting from a chain of many small events, the lack of development prospects and the rapid growth of corruption on all levels of government - this fact is huge and heavy, like a molding press, into which not even the population is inserted - the country has already been inserted, and the fragments are about to fly.
      But something tells me that the predators from the bureaucracy and the predators from the oligarchy, driven by the instinct of self-preservation, will agree among themselves and, after kicking each other painfully, then licking their wounds, will jointly turn their completely starving views on the defenseless population. Where else can they look?
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 April 10 2021 09: 35
        +2
        The idea conveyed the boundaries - so-so idea.
        Always the scariest question is the boundary question.
  • Avior
    Avior April 9 2021 19: 09
    +6
    Author
    , in my opinion, confuses opinion and belief.
    Opinion is a product of the brain's conscious work to analyze the available information. And as such, an opinion cannot be unshakable.
    New facts have emerged, or an error has surfaced in the analysis - a person who has his own opinion will make a new analysis of the facts and get a new opinion - calmly and without hysterics and emotional distress, even if the new opinion fundamentally contradicts the previous one.
    Belief is quite different. This is the result of influencing the subconscious of a person and it is also formed at the subconscious level. And no facts can change the subconscious, they are generally insignificant for the subconscious. Such a person, if he receives facts that are one hundred percent contrary to his beliefs, will experience the strongest dissonance between consciousness and subconsciousness. At best, the subconscious will push the denial of any facts, at worst, the person will experience aggression towards the source of the fact that is opposed to his subconscious.
    He will beat on the asphalt, kick with his feet and yell that all this is a lie, rush with his fists or something like that. Well, or it will climb to put a minus, in relation to our discussions - I saw this repeatedly on VO, when a naked irrefutable fact is minus without comments :) a person sees that he was mistaken, but instead of correcting his delusions, he experiences aggression towards the one who brought the fact ...
    Therefore, it is pointless for a convinced to prove anything. Proving something can only be done by a person with brain function ...
    hi
  • ximkim
    ximkim April 9 2021 19: 13
    +2
    One thing is definitely bad - there are too many sources of information ...
  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 9 2021 19: 20
    +7

    If there is no direct order for disinformation, the truth can be distorted simply out of personal ambition ...
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze April 9 2021 19: 39
    +2
    The facts don't matter. Most people are so dumb that they cannot and do not want to delve into logic. In addition to this, Dunning-Kruger has not been canceled, so many people live in their own world and are deeply convinced that they are smart and beautiful. And their right to rule the world, power and others are just servants.

    As a consequence, opinion and freedom can only be defended by violence. And if a person is not ready to take the risk, then clearly everything suits him and did not really want to.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 April 9 2021 20: 15
      +4
      As a consequence, opinion and freedom can only be defended by violence.

      "Weapon possession is not a right, but a duty of a free person. For it alone makes him free."(c)
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze April 9 2021 20: 38
        +4
        Weapon possession is not a right, but a duty of a free person.


        I do not know who said it, but the truth is speaking through his lips.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 April 9 2021 20: 40
          +3
          If memory serves - something from Heimskringla .. Or so ..
      2. for
        for April 9 2021 22: 59
        +2
        Quote: paul3390
        "The possession of weapons is not a right, but a duty of a free person. For it is only this that makes him free." (c)

        Unless your opponent has one.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 9 2021 20: 42
    +5


    in addition to the article, listen for at least the first ten minutes.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 9 2021 21: 25
    +3
    TV cannot fight the Internet for one reason - it has no feedback. Now they are trying to do it, but so far not everything works out. You can get any help on the Internet. TV in this regard is simply at the level of a radio receiver. I’m not looking for the truth either on the Internet or on TV. For me the main thing is news. I love watching animals and traveling. I don’t like TV shows, especially around politics. Everything is so simplistic that you can not turn on the sound of the TV.
  • Puppeteer 111
    Puppeteer 111 April 9 2021 21: 38
    -1
    Why did I read this? ((((
    Is it analytics?
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  • KSVK
    KSVK April 9 2021 22: 23
    +4
    I'll probably be trite, but ...

    What we perceive as fact is just a projection of an event onto our perception of the world.
    1. for
      for April 9 2021 22: 53
      +1
      Quote: KSVK
      What we perceive as fact is just a projection of an event onto our perception of the world.

      1000000 + ....
  • Tagan
    Tagan April 9 2021 22: 32
    -2
    Quote: Svarog
    So how, then, to prove your case to a clearly deluded opponent?

    Arguments and facts .. the main thing is facts .. you can't argue against them .. Well, there are individuals who are ready .. but they do not look convincing and funny ..

    Such pearls are striking.
    Did you seriously state this?)))
    How controversial you are, however.
    Lies with facts are usually not very friendly. And they can throw a bag of arguments. Do you not know about this?
  • for
    for April 9 2021 22: 51
    +1
    You collect information from all sources - both from those that you like, and from those from which you turn back. Then you try to systematize and, relying on knowledge and personal experience, you find the truth. Then you broadcast it and defend it.

    And you find the truth that is closer to you. 2 + 2 = how much do I need? While the news from the primary source reaches the reader, it turns into gossip, and even with what bias the primary source will present the news. Only bare facts and not any opinions of "experts".
  • Hantengri
    Hantengri April 9 2021 23: 56
    -2
    So, maybe the answer is in a mathematical approach?

    2 + 2 always equals 4, no matter how hard you argue. So just assert the facts: "the politician has been re-elected"! Point. Opinion doesn't matter.

    Why is it so primitive? The author of all mathematics remembers only arithmetic for the 1st grade?
    Why don't the Author speculate in the following, somewhat more complex, but also mathematical way:
    The system of equations (describing some event) has a solution only if the number of equations is equal to the number of unknowns. Let's say that I, as a "teapot" who uses only publicly available information channels, are available for analyzing N from xz. how many equations, and M, from ch.z. how many variables. In this situation, I have, to choose from, two options for the reaction: 1) To admit that not owning all the completeness of information, I cannot make conclusions claiming to be true, in the last instance. 2) Ocheshuev, from his own intelligence, to isolate, from what I know, the TRUTH and begin to bring it down on the heads of the same "dummies", mercilessly destroying those who have not yet "matured" to it.
    1. Avior
      Avior April 10 2021 05: 56
      0
      The system of equations (describing some event) has a solution only if the number of equations is equal to the number of unknowns.

      Have you heard of solving an equation in two variables?
  • nakhtigalsif
    nakhtigalsif April 10 2021 06: 04
    +1
    This is the best article on VO !!!
    In all the comments, not a single minus!
    BRAVO!
  • xorek
    xorek April 10 2021 15: 03
    -1
    I feel the minuses will be banned again. laughing wink
    They have a meeting here .. lol
    Quote: nachtigalsif
    This is the best article on VO !!!
    In all the comments, not a single minus!
    BRAVO!

    Yes, not at all .. hi