"Kiev has everything for the offensive": The build-up of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is recorded in the Donbass

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) continue to pull forces towards the demarcation line in Donbass. This was stated by the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin on the air "Russia 24".

According to Pushilin, recently the intelligence of the People's Militia of the DPR has been recording an increase in military equipment and personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the forefront of the confrontation. There is a concentration of Ukrainian military equipment at railway junctions close to the demarcation line. According to the OSCE, "more than 600 pieces of equipment" are concentrated in the adjacent areas.

(...) we continue to record the pulling of equipment and personnel to the line of contact. Our intelligence has data

- said Pushilin, adding that Kiev has every opportunity to start an offensive.

In turn, Lugansk also noted a significant increase in the number of armored vehicles in the area of ​​the contact line. Intelligence NM LPR notes the deployment of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in settlements under the cover of houses. In addition, the appearance of Ukrainian military and equipment in the zones of disengagement of forces is recorded.

Kiev itself does not comment on the buildup of forces on the demarcation line, continuing to assert that Russia "violates the Minsk agreements" and accuses Moscow of escalating the military conflict in Donbas. According to Kiev politicians, Russia is preparing an attack on Ukraine, stationing troops near the Ukrainian borders.

The West is adding fuel to the fire by promising "support" to Ukraine in the event of a "Russian attack." Neither Washington nor Brussels will explain what this "support" will be, but Kiev is already dreaming of thousands of NATO soldiers who will fight "for the freedom of Ukraine."

Comments

[mojohed2012]

In my opinion, in the opinion of many, there will still be an offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
For this, the United States does not send troops or equipment to Ukraine, BUT (some assume that):
- Three US planes have already arrived from Germany and Turkey, which brought something to the APU. These are Bayraktar operators, missiles and bombs on their suspension, as well as from Germany from the US base they transferred artillery reconnaissance stations and portable terminals to receive information from all NATO intelligence assets.
- It makes no sense to supply ATGMs, other small arms and heavy weapons, there was a time before. Therefore, they are urgently taking everything for reconnaissance and guidance of drone UAVs.

[Clear]

"Kiev has everything for the offensive": The build-up of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is recorded in the Donbass

all the same begs

[mitroha]

I consider a preemptive strike on places of concentration of troops and equipment, an unknown enemy will solve many issues

[Clear]

Quote: Mitroha

I consider a preemptive strike on places of concentration of troops and equipment, an unknown enemy will solve many issues

In addition, it was about "decision-making centers".

[figwam]

A photo of the Su-34 with 10 simulators of nuclear bombs has appeared on the network.

[Flooding]

Quote: figvam

A photo of the Su-34 with 10 simulators of nuclear bombs has appeared on the network.

bmpd clarifies

In fact, of course, 10 ZB-500 incendiary aviation tanks are suspended on the plane.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4286699.html

[Bshkaus]

A photo of the Su-34 with 10 simulators of nuclear bombs has appeared on the network.

And what, to pray for them now? You will be the first to be blown away by the shockwave from the computer. Where is Kiev and where are you? It should be taken as something more serious chtoli. Nuclear explosions on the territory of Ukraine will first of all cover Russia itself. After all, the bitter experience of Chernobyl has already passed. I certainly understand your point of view, but threatening Ukraine with nuclear charges is too much))))))

[alexmach]

the most important thing is that there is no such need either.

[figwam]

Quote: Bshkaus

but threatening Ukraine with nuclear charges is too much))))))

Decision centers are not on the outskirts.

[Lionnvrsk]

"Kiev has everything for the offensive"

... "everything is there, except money and conscience"

https://youtu.be/sxv47i3wjZE

[Egoza]

Quote: Mitroha

a preemptive strike on places of concentration of troops and equipment, by an unknown enemy will solve many issues

Even if the Martians strike, they will still say: "Russians"

[Alex777]

Some time ago, all this already happened.
Only secretly. And the artillery attack was an hour before the attack.
And then there was silence in all the media. As if nothing had happened.
Apparently that's why now the tactics have changed.
They already complain to everyone in advance that they will get rid of ...
And this may not be a good reason for NATO.
But there is a caveat: hospitals are packed to capacity.
Thanks to President Ze for the failed vaccination.
The wounded (and there will be many) have nowhere to place at all.
And the "warriors of light" know this very well.
So they have a minimum of motivation to go to the slaughter.

[Barberry25]

but then you can justify that it is the evil Russians who are to blame and you need to rally around the Ukrainian leader in order to overcome ..

[Alex777]

IMHO, already dumb fools.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Barberry25

but then you can justify that it is the evil Russians who are to blame and you need to rally around the Ukrainian leader in order to overcome ..

In Ukraine, such slogans have never worked and will not work.
Usually country / nation / homeland - these words are used for rallying
The leaders themselves will not be able to use such slogans, because they do not work. Well, by nature, Ukrainians hardly perceive the leader / "tsar" as a symbol of unity.

[Bshkaus]

Thanks to President Ze for the failed vaccination.

I don’t understand something, you definitely didn’t confuse anything about the disruption of vaccination? As far as I remember, "Ze" took root voluntarily and none of them forced him to do this, unlike ...
Not to mention the pace that was set and which the manufacturer of the "very first" and ultimately "best" vaccine in the world failed to realize. But as usual, they helped the whole world. Oh well

[Stepan S]

Have all 250 thousand doses of the vaccine been injected in Ukraine? And no more, they could have pricked another warrior, but Zelensky demanded an inoculation for himself, although he had been ill with covid. So we do not need to throw it here. We are vaccinated in a quiet mode and with the best vaccine.

[AUL]

Quote: Mitroha

I consider a preemptive strike on places of concentration of troops and equipment, an unknown enemy will solve many issues

But it will create many more new ones!

[KAV]

Today I accidentally stumbled upon the news:
https://yandex.ru/turbo/news-r.ru/s/news/politics/505922/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

There is a serious escalation of the conflict in the Luhansk People's Republic. A serious military confrontation took place in the Kirov direction. In response to the massive shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the forces of the People's Militia of the LPR respond with an artillery strike. About this with reference to the military observer Yuri Kotenko reports the publication "Russian Spring".
- There is a battle in the Kirov direction. Fierce firefight. Bryanka, Stakhanov, Kirovsk are "on the ears", - it was reported.
According to eyewitnesses to the clashes, the LPR has not experienced such an impressive aggravation for a long time.
Kitten also announced the arrival of military aircraft at the airfield in Chuguevo, Kharkiv region. According to preliminary data, we are talking about Su fighters.
- In the direction of Donetsk, a helicopter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been moving forward, - added Kitten.

It is unclear whether this is true or not, because then this news disappeared from the Yandex news feed.

[Asad]

KAV Try to visit the LPR police website instead of Yandex! Not a single shot.

[Red]

Unfortunately, Ukraine does not have much choice. If the owner says face, they will climb.

[Zug]

But they have no choice ... And we have no ... The USA has a choice - She is the conductor and screenwriter of this performance.

[Cat]

In my opinion, in the opinion of many, there will still be an offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Personally, I doubt the physical capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for a large-scale offensive. If there is anything, it will most likely be limited to minor tactical operations - a kind of reconnaissance in force. And all of this will have political rather than purely military goals.

[Bshkaus]

Personally, I doubt the physical ability of the Armed Forces to launch a large-scale offensive

I agree, but I also doubt the ability of the Russian Federation to reach Odessa. Although ... we will not reach, so we will swim along the rivers of blood. I mean, the price will be too high and no one needs it. So everyone will make noise and calm down. This is a real military impasse for all sides.

[dauria]

This is a real military impasse for all sides.

No. The goal of the United States is clear - to provoke the entry of the Russian Federation on the side of the LPNR. Well, Ukraine will lose nafig parts it does not need. But on the other hand, relations with Russia will be completely severed and the way will be opened for the passage of US bases into the territory of Ukraine. And that's all - they beautifully outplayed Russia on its own field.
It can only be stopped by a tough decision to reach Kiev with a change of government to a pro-Russian one. Will Vekselbergs really do this?
So Moscow will be within the reach of NATO tactical aircraft and missiles in the not too distant future. And it will be easier for Russia to point out its place in the future US-China clash. Place of a vassal ally of the United States.
The United States is satisfied with both winning and losing Ukraine. Precisely a loss, but not a defeat and a change of government.

[2 Level Advisor]

And now who is interfering with the bases? like the sea has already been announced .. I think they just didn’t want the minke whales there for now, and that's it ..
"So Moscow will be within the reach of NATO tactical aircraft and missiles in the near future.."
She has long been within reach - the distance from the Baltics is almost the same as from Ukraine - to Moscow time.

[dauria]

And now who is interfering with the bases?

US aircraft in Chernigov on a permanent basis were unthinkable a couple of years ago. Now it will be perceived by everyone in the order of things, like a military alliance. There was a "red" line, the USA is slowly "crawling" over it. Since the 14th year, time has played against the Russian Federation. The indecision of that time bore fruit. Everything.

[Bshkaus]

It can only be stopped by a tough decision to reach Kiev with a change of government to a pro-Russian one. Will Vekselbergs really do this?

Look, when there were elections in Ukraine, everyone shouted that Poroshenko was using the administrative resource, that he was a lord, etc. but the people chose "Ze", which

[Stepan S]

Quote: dauria

Precisely a loss, but not a defeat and a change of government.

If there is a rout, the patriots will eat Zelensky in two days.

[Stepan S]

And no one is going to go to your Odessa, be calm. This is one place of your soldiers itches.

[Zug]

And they don’t need to get involved in large-scale operations. They (or the United States) only need one thing: for the RA to enter the territory of the Unrecognized Republics. That's all ...

[Zaurbek]

The number of ATGMs on both sides already exceeds the number of tanks ..... I think that they are supplying Ukraine with armored vehicles and, most importantly, ammunition for artillery - this is the main damaging factor.

[dSK]

NATO instructors and "operators" cannot launch an offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Zelensky's "go-ahead" is needed. He is inspired in every possible way by the "patrons" for deeds.
If, in response, the newly formed tank division (Valuyki, Belgorod region) moves to Donetsk and "helps" it from the southern direction, then there will be a second "Stalingrad" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Luhansk ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote from dsk

If, in response, the newly formed tank division (Valuyki, Belgorod region) reaches Donetsk

The DPR and LPR will simply keep the front, there is no need to advance there, and Russian tank divisions do not keep the defense from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is a lot of honor.
And they will leave the Bryansk region in the direction: Chernigov, Kiev, Lvov.
From the south, a landing in the Odessa region, with a simultaneous attack from the Crimea to the north.
Then one big boiler, the massive surrender of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Zelensky Kaput.
No Poles will help.
I would do so, but it is not worthwhile to arrange a rattle-fuss in the LPNR with an unresolved issue in the form of fascist Ukraine. Seven troubles, one answer.
ps But it is not Ukraine itself that is dangerous, even with Javelins and other toys from NATO, coordinated strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine-LDNR, Georgia-Ossetia, Abkhazia, NATO-Kaliningrad, Japan-South Kuriles are dangerous. They may decide on such a joke out of despair.
This is where tactical nuclear weapons will definitely be needed in the form of a sedative for NATO and Japan.

[Zaurbek]

If the Russian Federation openly, as in Georgia, will force peace ... then this is the first option and you can enter from several sides. If, like last time, it will be more difficult ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Like the last time, it is unlikely.
A sick person cannot be cured like that. The sore is too neglected. This requires radical surgical intervention.

[Zaurbek]

Our elite and the state itself must be ready for this.

[Alexey Sommer]

If they were not ready, they would not pull the troops to the border.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

If they were not ready, they would not pull the troops to the border.

demonstration. It was repeatedly.
It's just that the rates are going up.

[Bshkaus]

but they will come out

Yes, they are waiting for us everywhere, but not with flowers: when I was returning in November, I found a sudden alarm at the Ukrainian checkpoint in one of the directions you proposed. Frankly, I was shocked when the serena howled and they threw their passports and flew out of their booths with machine guns and grant throwers in the direction of the bunkers. So everything is very fierce there.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Bshkaus

and they threw their passports and flew out of their booths with machine guns and grant launchers in the direction of the bunkers. So everything is very fierce there.

The bunkers will be destroyed immediately, along with everyone who has time to run to them.
And most likely they will abandon their bunkers and immediately surrender.

[Bshkaus]

The bunkers will be destroyed immediately, along with everyone who has time to run to them.

I have no doubts about your courage and military professionalism. Tell me, do the VSUshniki know that they should throw everything away from your species alone?

[Stepan S]

In pillboxes you can run while no one is shooting, to please the eyes of the authorities.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

The bunkers will be destroyed immediately, along with everyone who has time to run to them.
And most likely they will abandon their bunkers and immediately surrender.

border guards, their tasks are somewhat different.
But they are the first to take the hit.

[dSK]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

will need tactical nuclear weapons

This is unlikely, we are not monsters like the States:

After all, the United States is the only country in the world that used nuclear, atomic weapons, moreover, against a non-nuclear state - against Japan, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, at the end of World War II. There was absolutely no military sense in this. It was a direct extermination of civilians (18.03.21.)

[Zug]

Japan was in a state of war. It untied it (without officially announcing it) And who uses what weapon, his business. He has it, yes. humor. Everyone fights with what he has. And if the United States had a choice - to put owls when capturing thousands of islands or not to lay anyone, then the conclusion for any state is obvious - we will bury those with whom we are at war.

[dSK]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

from the Bryansk region in the direction: Chernigov, Kiev, Lviv ...

To then "treat and feed" the whole Ukraine, no "Kudrin's pillow" will be enough.
Kiev and the rest of Ukraine were liberated from the Poles and Ottomans for almost 1600 years after the "Time of Troubles 1613-200". Of course, time is running faster now, but not much. And unfortunately Russia is not the USSR ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote from dsk

iyev and the rest of Ukraine were liberated from the Poles and Ottomans for almost 1600 years after the "Time of Troubles 1613-200". Of course, time is running faster now, but not much. And unfortunately Russia is not the USSR ...

So Russia in 1613 was not the USSR, but in 1654 it was annexed.
And by 1914 the brains were practically soldered.

[Stepan S]

Why feed? Change the regime, destroy the army and let them get their own food.

[Alexga]

Well, they will start an offensive, but in this case, the GDP has not forgotten the words about the dubious statehood of Ukraine.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: AlexGa

Well, they will start an offensive, but in this case, the GDP has not forgotten the words about the dubious statehood of Ukraine.

The main thing is that words and deeds do not diverge!

[Uncle lee]

Kiev is already dreaming of thousands of NATO soldiers who will fight "for the freedom of Ukraine."

Sahak was also promised!

[Odysseus]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Sahak was also promised!

It was precisely Sahak who was not promised military assistance in the event of a conflict. In 2008, the situation was completely different and those events were largely his own initiative. The tail tried to wag the dog. Hence such a sluggish reaction from the West then and the subsequent replacement of Saakashvili.

[Uncle lee]

The Georgian army was modernized and rearmed, Candoliza promised help ... But they abandoned it .... Not for nothing, waiting for a call from the owners who abandoned him, his tie was gnawing from despair.

[Odysseus]

Quote from Uncle Lee

The Georgian army was modernized and re-equipped, Candoliza promised help ... But they abandoned it ...

Partially modernized, yes. Political support, yes, but not military support in the event of an attack by Georgia. The decision to start the operation was made by Saakashvili himself, not in Washington. He only believed that if he started, the bosses would support.
The situation with Ukraine is different now. By itself, Zelensky will not start the operation, he and his team do not need it. At this point, Biden's team is interested in the beginning of the active phase of the conflict.

[Zaurbek]

And it was he who had to be taken and tried ... somewhere in the Rostov garrison court

[abrakadabre]

It was precisely Sahak who was not promised military assistance in the event of a conflict. In 2008 there was a completely different environment and those events were largely his own initiative.

Come on. Saakashvili's only initiative in this matter is to chew a tie. Well, another jump from the noise of the plane. The rest is all on the orders.

[Clear]

Quote: AlexGa

Well, they will start an offensive, but in this case, the GDP has not forgotten the words about the dubious statehood of Ukraine.

Then the GDP will have one more step, this is the question of the existence of statehood in Russia itself.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Clear

it is a question of the existence of statehood in Russia itself.

who can question the statehood of Russia?

[dauria]

who can question the statehood of Russia?

The USSR is a great example. Who would have thought ?

[NEOZ]

Quote: dauria

The USSR is a great example. Who would have thought ?

Do you know the answer to the question?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: AlexGa

Well, they will start an offensive, but after all, the words about the dubious statehood of Ukraine, in this case, the GDP has not forgotten

Ukraine's offensive will not start at all with the aim of winning something there. This offensive is necessary for the United States to declare Russia the final Mordor, to throw it out of the UN Security Council and further down the list. We are hindering the United States on the path to world hegemony ... The likelihood of a large-scale provocation in the form of an imitation of an offensive is great.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This offensive is necessary for the United States to declare Russia the final Mordor, to throw it out of the UN Security Council and further down the list.

what's stopping you from doing it now?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: NEOZ

what's stopping you from doing it now?

Remnants of conscience, although where is it from ... They want to create visibility, a picture ... Hitler over there imitated an attack on a German radio station, as an excuse ...

[anjey]

There is no worse, than guilty walking without guilt, so maybe by May 2, in Odessa, there will be a monument to those killed in the House of Trade Unions. That would be fair, and it is not a sin to squeeze NATO members from the Yankees from the Black Sea. Peter the First, Potemkin, Suvorov and Nakhimov would not mind .... And if the Turks help the Ukrainians, for them the Russian flag over Izmail will be a warning ... All this is unlikely, in reality they would at least reach the borders of Luhansk and Donchenna.

[Black lotos]

Quote: anjey

There is nothing worse than guilty walking without guilt, so maybe by May 2, in Odessa, there will be a monument to those killed in the House of Trade Unions.

on the way to the "monument" so many Odessa citizens will be killed, and when the city is taken, too, that there a monument to the whole city will need to be erected. All more no less decent parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are just represented by Russian-speaking regions. Kharkov, Dnipro, Odessa, Nikolaev, etc.
They hold the entire backbone of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
But here they offer "liberation" by destroying just those who are needed. Russian-speaking, Russian, former. loyal to the Russians.
This is the normal way of "liberation". You can't get flowers for that. And hate is easy.
Confrontation between Russians and Russians (with Ukrainian passports)

[anjey]

If a Russian-speaking person is ready for the euro and dolyary to cut the same Russian-speaking people for Western imaginary and controversial freedoms and benefits, this is already a genetic failure, let them save lives, surrender en masse, the pro-Russian Medvedchuk will provide them with work and the further development of the country , but with Russia. America will not help them, they will never be South Korea or Japan. But those who go to the forests, well, it is their choice, experience is to bring them out.

[anjey]

I understand that now the position of the majority of thinking Ukrainians is fashionable there, neither yours nor ours and my house is on the edge. So they need to be withdrawn in a positive and constructive sense, out of this uncertainty. The United States and Europe have prepared this conflict. Russia has to defend its geopolitical ( and they are there and have not gone anywhere) interests.No one prevented Ukraine from developing independently and did not take Crimea until the pro-American junta decided to bring the real enemy (the United States and NATO) to our borders

[Stepan S]

Do not confuse Russian-speaking Ukrainians with Russians. In this situation, the language of communication does not matter. They have been sitting in trenches for seven years and fiercely hate the Russians, but you are calling on them to love and forgive?

[mikh-korsakov]

Eugene! "throw her (Russia, MK) out of the Security Council"... Throw it out for what purpose? SB, thanks to the right of VETO of permanent members, is already paralyzed. The Security Council does not in any way prevent the United States from carrying out its heinous provocations. Saddam's regime was eliminated, bypassing the Security Council. Next, let's ask a question. Miscarriage mechanism? Let's put the United States in the Security Council resolution "well, well, Russia completely got out of hand, well, straight sick, please throw it out of the Security Council" Russia does not agree to leave, so what. There is a mechanism of the UN General Assembly, but its resolutions are not binding. There is only one thing left - to kick the Russian delegation to the UN out of New York by force - they can do that, their legs are agile, their brains are thin. What `s next. There was an example in history when they successively kicked out of the League of Nations, first Germany and then the USSR. This had no role in subsequent events. Whoever wanted and could do what he did. Therefore, a miscarriage will let the UN follow the path of the League of Nations, why is it the United States - they already feel good.

[lis-ik]

Quote: AlexGa

Well, they will start an offensive, but in this case, the GDP has not forgotten the words about the dubious statehood of Ukraine.

It's in the order of things. He gave the word, took the word.

[tihonmarine]

Well, as expected, today is the sixth post about Ukraine. She's tired of it.

[mojohed2012]

Where to go? The United States is actively dispelling hysteria and threats.
Vaughn, even 3 planes were sent as moral support for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
In Georgia, in the year 8, too, before the attack on Tskhinvali - the United States sent jeeps and radars, which were then seized by the Russian Airborne Forces. And this Mishiko was enough for an adventure. Mishiko is emotional. But, the clown in / in the Krajina is no less emotional, and around him there are many emotional fascist and decisive to please the Masters because of the puddle - the military and the command staff.
Therefore, posts and endless rubbing of the topic.

[Bshkaus]

Well, as expected, today is the sixth post about Ukraine. She's tired of it.

Ish what did you want? In general, ideally, you and I should abandon everything and volunteer to the Donbass with a willingness to die))))) The media are trying hard, and you? (black humor).

[Liam]

It's just a pity that your interlocutor is one of the most active the best people in the city rubbing on these branches 24/24 and 90% of his numerous daily posts are empty throws on the fan in this topic without any semantic load in the company of the same gentlemen intellectuals

[Odysseus]

It is far from the fact that hostilities will begin right now and even this month, but in general, the likelihood of war this summer is high.
Ukraine can deploy 8-10 mechanized, 2 tank, 3-4 airmobile / airborne brigades for the offensive. Air support - UAV. Considering the real state of the army of the LPR and the DPR (especially the state of the front line), their defeat takes 1-2 weeks.
So everything will depend on whether Russian troops enter Donbass, in what composition, and whether aviation and army aviation will be used.
If not, then one 150 "half-tank" division (although it is the best in our Armed Forces) may not be enough.

[Herman 4223]

And what is there incomprehensible. Ukraine is a distracting force to pull off the security forces and open the way for the Maydauns. And if in a conflict somewhere there are big losses, so generally cool, they will be exaggerated and embellished in order to blow up social networks and pull people out into the street.
True, this is not help, but use for your own purposes. They will be doused so to speak.

[Terenin]

Quote: Herman 4223

And what is there incomprehensible. Ukraine is a distracting force to pull off the security forces and open the way for the Maydauns. And if in a conflict somewhere there are big losses, so generally cool, they will be exaggerated and embellished in order to blow up social networks and pull people out into the street.
True, this is not help, but use for your own purposes. They will be doused so to speak.

I believe that the western "friends" of Ukraine cheated them with the example of the Korean War (dividing the territory of Korea along the 38th parallel ...), when 65 years ago, on June 25, 1950, the West really "harnessed" for South Korea ... The fight was serious. But, then it was a decision of the UN Security Council.

[Herman 4223]

So there they did not fight directly with Russia. And then you have to, two different things. And something tells me that China will certainly help us in its desire to survive and defeat its main competitor. And they know it.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Terenin

But, then it was a decision of the UN Security Council.

can get it this time.

Security Council decisions (except procedural) require 9 votes out of 15, including the overlapping votes of all permanent members. This means that each of the five permanent members of the Security Council has the right to veto the decisions of the Council, and even the abstinence of such a state in voting should be considered a veto. However, a permanent member of the Council can inform that his abstention should not be considered as an obstacle to making a decision and the corresponding document should be considered adopted by the UN Security Council if he gets a sufficient number of votes in favor.
A party to a dispute must abstain from voting

Let's say that France will vote for the constants. WB, USA,
China is likely to abstain (with the right not to consider vetoing)
RF will be blocked because it is participating in a dispute (similar to Ukraine)
2 participants from Europe will vote For
It remains to collect 4 votes from Africa / Asia and L. America.
It all depends on the USA and Europe.
However, the Russian Federation will try to use its veto right 14 times. And the US and the EU may not need a mandate. Or it will be requested later.
There have been various resolutions on Ukraine for a long time. They can also "put into action"

[Terenin]

Quote: Black Lotos

Quote: Terenin

But, then it was a decision of the UN Security Council.

can get it this time.

Security Council decisions (except procedural) require 9 votes out of 15, including the overlapping votes of all permanent members. This means that each of the five permanent members of the Security Council has the right to veto the decisions of the Council, and even the abstinence of such a state in voting should be considered a veto. However, a permanent member of the Council can inform that his abstention should not be considered as an obstacle to making a decision and the corresponding document should be considered adopted by the UN Security Council if he gets a sufficient number of votes in favor.
A party to a dispute must abstain from voting

Let's say that France will vote for the constants. WB, USA,
China is likely to abstain (with the right not to consider vetoing)
RF will be blocked because it is participating in a dispute (similar to Ukraine)
2 participants from Europe will vote For
It remains to collect 4 votes from Africa / Asia and L. America.
It all depends on the USA and Europe.
However, the Russian Federation will try to use its veto right 14 times. And the US and the EU may not need a mandate. Or it will be requested later.
There have been various resolutions on Ukraine for a long time. They can also "put into action"

All this is true, but then, at the UN site, one cannot hide the real state of affairs in Donbass and through whose fault.

[demo]

"Kiev has everything for the offensive."
Except for the mind and conscience.
A critical mass of dissatisfied people from both flanks is forcing them to use a proven means - war.
And the creatures do not care that stupid boys and innocent civilians will die.

[NEOZ]

Quote: demo

A critical mass of dissatisfied people from both flanks is forcing them to use a proven means - war.
And the creatures do not care that stupid boys and innocent civilians will die.

so this is the problem of the stupid, right?

[demo]

Unfortunately, this is not only a Ukrainian problem. And ours, Russian, is the same.
There is no longer finding out what the stupid will get by "the most I can not". Here simple and non-wine will suffer.

[APASUS]

As soon as they begin to clean up hospitals and civilian hospitals in the surrounding areas, the conflict can start within 10-12 days.

[iouris]

Without the use of tactical nuclear weapons at airfields, communications and artillery positions, it is unlikely that it will be possible to end hostilities quickly, and delay will lead to large losses among the population. I think the main task of the Nazis is to kill as many people as possible.

[NEOZ]

Quote: iouris

I think the main task of the Nazis is to kill as many people as possible.

this is not a goal, perhaps this is a way to achieve a goal

[iouris]

The purpose of ukrov is to create conditions for the destruction of the Russian Federation and the final elimination of Russia as a factor. Those. Ukrainians are suicides.

[Holuay T.O]

We felt support ... We deployed several Patriot air defense batteries, and the MTR from the Green Berets are already ready to fight there under the guise of a private military company

[leks]

I will not tire of repeating that this Gordian knot had to be cut in 2014-2015.

Strelkov once said that if we do not solve the problem of Donbas in our favor, then we will get hemorrhoids for decades to come.

He bluntly said that regardless of the outcome of events in Donbas, the Russian Federation will be imposed with sanctions at the very least, and so it happened.

The current exacerbation is most likely being prepared for the project SP2 to be completely covered.

I think about such events in Donbas.

Ukraine goes on the offensive, with the support of Western countries and the media declare a counter-terrorist operation and de-occupation of Donbas from Russian troops
Ours go to the rescue
(although I am tormented by vague doubts), as a result, it is announced to the whole world that the Russian Federation has committed aggression against Ukraine.
The West imposes sanctions against SP2, etc., etc.

PS. Purely my position and opinion on the events in Donbas. I do not pretend to be a super-analyst.

[Zaurbek]

From the point of view of the outbreak of hostilities, Ukraine is being thrown to the slaughter. Maybe this is a way to stop SP-2? But then they untie their hands on the actions of the Armed Forces and the Aerospace Forces ... and the pipe has already been laid, it will be mothballed, it will take 10 years ... There will be no more gas, it will be much cheaper to return and launch it.

[NEOZ]

Quote: leks

I will not tire of repeating that this Gordian knot had to be cut in 2014-2015.

hindsight, everyone is smart ..... why are you repeating this, by the way?

[Seaflame]

Yes, I agree. Kuev is a bargaining chip, the goal is to change the government in the Russian Federation. In 2014, everything could really be resolved, not recognizing Poroshenko's legitimacy and the anti-terrorist operation in Donbass at the request of the legitimate President Yanukovych. Thought that the problem would resolve itself? No, it has grown, worsened, the Armed Forces of Ukraine got stronger, the "parasite" got fat and got stronger. Now all this is much more difficult to rake.

[Guru]

Most likely, they will start in May, there is information that the main stage of Defender Europe 2021 will take place in May. During it, Immediate Response, Saber Guardian and Swift Response exercises, as well as African Lion and Steadfast exercises associated with Defender, will be held against a single operational background Defender.

In total, over 30 servicemen from 26 countries are taking part in the exercise. Combat training events with the involvement of troops will be held at 31 training grounds in 13 European countries. Four airborne operations with the participation of 7000 troops will be carried out in Estonia, Romania and Bulgaria. Among the countries that are not NATO members, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, the partially recognized republic of Kosovo, Moldova and Ukraine are involved in the exercises.

[rocket757]

"Kiev has everything for the offensive": The build-up of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is recorded in the Donbass

What is missing ... can they wait for the FAS team?

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

What is missing ... can they wait for the FAS team?

A tranche is waiting for an advance and a way of escape if something happens .. Yaytsenyuk immediately understood what he was grabbing and ran away .. They also want this, only there is nothing to grab ..))

[xorek]

Well, let them go, we are no stranger to meet and drive then .. God be their judge!

How many more have you brought up and will you drive to us? We will accept and chase ... EVERYONE!

[yehat2]

Ukraine is pulling into the Donbass, first of all, means of positional shelling.
from sniper rifles to artillery and attack UAVs.
apparently, they want, like Azerbaijan, to suppress with fire.
But this is only effective against morally weak and poorly trained soldiers.
The idea is clear - minimizing the risk of building up pressure so that the enemy surrenders.
Along the way, on this movement, the authorities expect to write off all the problems and do a good job.
Do Ukrainians understand what debts their country has already got into and continues to plunge?
2 years ago, the external debt was already equal, in fact, to a year of free work for all Ukrainians.
Now it has become even more fun.

[leks]

Quote: Zaurbek

From the point of view of the outbreak of hostilities, Ukraine is being thrown to the slaughter. Maybe this is a way to stop SP-2? But then they untie their hands on the actions of the Armed Forces and the Aerospace Forces ... and the pipe has already been laid, it will be mothballed, it will take 10 years ... There will be no more gas, it will be much cheaper to return and launch it.

Even if it is for slaughter, it does not change anything. If the Russian Federation openly begins to use the Armed Forces and Aerospace Forces, this will already be an invasion of a foreign country, you probably know that Donbass from the point of view of world law is Ukraine. The Russian Federation also did not recognize the DPR and LPR.

[rocket757]

Quote: leks

invasion of a foreign country,

some this did not stop at all ...
So we'll see what we some or passed by.

[NDR-791]

Quote: rocket757

So we'll see what we some or passed by.

Yes, we will not just see. We ourselves are very interested in this.

[rocket757]

Let's just say that Crimea's return home taught us a lot !!!
But the lesson is not over yet, we need a clear continuation of it.

[NDR-791]

Quote: rocket757

the return of Crimea home taught us a lot !!!

That taught us, but in the republics they did not understand what questions to raise in the referendum. Now we have to take care of it. Maybe we recognize them and that's the end of it.

[rocket757]

Quote: NDR-791

That taught us, but in the republics they did not understand what questions to raise in the referendum.

What questions would not be raised, it would not depend on them, what decisions would be made in the Kremlin ... their "battles" were taking place there, and so far, there is still a lot of incomprehensible things.

[NDR-791]

Yes, there is such a misunderstanding. On the one hand, there is a "threat to Ukrainian statehood," on the other ...

[rocket757]

Until at least some significant events take place, there will be ... but there will be trouble for people, OUR PEOPLE, in Donbass.

[Chief Engineer]

Are we going to open pre-emptive fire? ”The comrades from Israel would definitely have opened it, I have no doubt about that.

[Dimide]

I watched the video of the transfer of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Donbass filmed at the station in Dnepropetrovsk. The train then goes in the direction of Dneprodzerzhinsk, not Donbass.
Today there is news of a 5-year-old child killed by a drone, it turns out that he was blown up by an antipersonnel mine dating back to 15 years. Even this tragedy is used by propaganda for their own purposes.
What trust can there be in this windbag

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

Today there was news about a 5-year-old child killed from a drone.It turns out he was blown up by an anti-personnel mine from the times of 15 years. Even this tragedy is used by propaganda for their own purposes.

Again - "They shoot themselves", but Ukraine has nothing to do with it?

Tell me, before the coup d'état took place in Kiev, children in Donbas were also blown up by mines?

[Dimide]

Do you justify using the tragedy of a little boy for propaganda purposes? Do you know for sure who laid these mines?

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

Do you justify using the tragedy of a little boy for propaganda purposes?

I am generally against propaganda, but also, in my understanding, there is the fact that if there were no war there, we would not discuss the tragedy.
And so I will repeat the question - would children be blown up in Donbass if there had not been a coup d'état in Ukraine, which Donbass did not accept?

[Dimide]

The obvious answer is no.
A counter question, why were the troops brought into Chechnya?

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

The obvious answer is no.
A counter question, why were the troops brought into Chechnya?

Not as difficult a question as it might seem.

The Russian region, which received maximum independence from the federal center, became a stronghold of terrorism, banditry and Islamism, and simply "got" Moscow with its antics.

If we compare the introduction of Russian troops into Chechnya and the punitive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass, then there are obvious differences:

- There was no coup d'etat in the Russian Federation, which was not accepted by Chechnya;
- Ukraine did not grant broad autonomy to Donbass;
- Donbass was not, and is not a hotbed of terrorism, banditry and concentration of radicals;
- Donbass did not deprive pensioners and state employees of payments made by the federal center, as the Dudayev regime did.

[Dimide]

The parallels are straight lines - separatism. The rest is particular

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

The parallels are straight lines - separatism. The rest is particular

Separatism in Chechnya is a product of a national-religious nature, and "separatism" in Donbass is a reaction to rejection of the overthrow of the state system and to threats of reprisals from Ukrainian radical nationalists

These are the "particulars". It would seem similar, but in reality it is a sheer difference.

And if in Chechnya separatism matured inside, then in Donbass, Kiev itself "rocked" it.

[Dimide]

Separatism in Donetsk rocked the Russian Federation in order to distract from Crimea and have a point of pressure on Ukraine. We have already peacefully survived one Maidan, we would have survived this

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

Separatism in Donetsk rocked the Russian Federation in order to distract from Crimea and have a point of pressure on Ukraine. We have already peacefully survived one Maidan, we would have survived this

OK OK They stuck their log in our eye ...

[Dimide]

Well, you are a reasonable person, not
cheers patriot.
Why was the Donbass not annexed to the Russian Federation immediately after the referendum, following the example of the Crimea? The APU was then completely
disorganized.
Why does your leader declare that Donbass is Ukraine? There are many questions why he speaks in favor of my point of view

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

Well, you are a reasonable person, not
cheers patriot.
Why was Donbass not annexed to the Russian Federation immediately after the referendum, following the example of Crimea?
Why does your leader declare that Donbass is Ukraine?

I dare to consider myself reasonable, and a patriot without a prefix "-Hurrah" , so I will note that we are not Indians (photo) and we have no leaders.

To many of your "Why" I will answer briefly - Because politics and even Putin is limited in his freedom of action by the threat of global external influences on the country.

"Monomakh's hat is heavy" and the entry of 2 large regions, too, is still an unbearable burden for the state.

[Dimide]

This is all talk in favor of the poor.

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

This is all talk in favor of the poor.

Well, what can I say Poor Ukraine ...

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

The obvious answer is no.

So build your idea of ​​what is happening in Ukraine on the basis of this, and not according to the propaganda campaigns of ukropagandists screaming about puppy death and the European choice.

Ukraine started this war by opening the "Pandora's Box" on the Maidan, and she is responsible for it.

[Dimide]

I live in Ukraine, especially since I was in a hospital in Kiev at that time, and you tell me here how and what happened

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Dimid

I live in Ukraine, especially since I was in a hospital in Kiev at that time, and you tell me here how and what happened

Especially !!! Who else but you should have an idea that the coup d'état and the punitive operation of the junta in Donbass led to the current situation in Ukraine.

[Dimide]

After the Maidan, there have already been two presidential elections and two in VR. If the former can be considered a consequence of the Maidan, then the latter cannot be called a junta.

[Stepan S]

And who told you that the mine should have been "placed"? The mine was dropped from the UAV on the child.

[Dimide]

About fakecomets-minusers work out on the quiet soldering

[not main]

Quote: Dimid

About fakecomets-minusers work out on the quiet soldering

Yes, I "mold" cons for you! It’s not my rule, though. But you already got it! Do you really believe what you're writing about? If yes, then this is a clinic! Kashchenko is crying about you, and although there are psycho dispensaries in Kueva!

[Dimide]

You will poke your wife.
What did you dislike, that I drew attention to the fact that the train is going the other way, or my opinion, that the LPNR was created as a point of pressure on Ukraine?
Less propagandists listen
and look, and read between the lines all statements from both sides

[Black lotos]

Quote: Dimid

Today there was news about a 5-year-old child killed from a drone.

there are many questions. I saw a fresh video with relatives. Moreover, the photo of the child was not enough. But not the point. A homemade UAV flew 15 km to drop VOG on a child in a village ... - how real is that? The village is far away. Homemade UAVs do not differ in range, and what's the point? Is that for a "ter act"? But why then fly 15 km ...
there are too many questions to the authors of emotional terror (and this is how the authors of such news make money on children) who first have a girl, then a boy, then a UAV, then a mine ...
it is clear that in that conflict, children died on both sides. Children, women are peaceful, and every death was accompanied by emotional terror of propagandists. The dehumanization of opponents in war is an old ancient technique of warfare.

[Dimide]

Absolutely agree with you

[leks]

Quote: NEOZ

Quote: leks

I will not tire of repeating that this Gordian knot had to be cut in 2014-2015.

hindsight, everyone is smart ..... why are you repeating this, by the way?

Yes, what kind of backs are smart about this, everyone wrote to whom they said warned in 2014-2015. Why I repeat because this is my opinion and position.

[Ros 56]

We and the LDNR also have almost everything ready to please the Banderaites. Let not then shed crocodile tears - and us for sho? That's why they will start to hang them.

[GEOID]

I read about the delivery to Kiev.

[Jaromir]

Kiev has everything for the offensive

The probability of an offensive by the troops of the occupation regime of Ukraine against the People's Republics is very high. "Pan the Pianist", the head of the occupation power Zelensky, has only one way out, to start a war in Donbass. The West demands it, local nationalists demand it.
LDNR will win! I have no doubt about that.

[Terenin]

Kiev has everything for the offensive

Before that, in history, no army in the world had "everything ready" for an offensive. There was always not enough time for something and someone.

[Drugov]

After the 5-day war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, we were threatened with all heavenly punishments, they promised to erase the economy to dust, and I will remind you of another world crisis, when the economies of developing countries were really tested for strength, and then the war and after it sanctions and the beginning of isolation. And what, disappeared? No, they survived, stepped over and slowly, not grabbing the stars from the sky, continued their earthly presence. Then there was Crimea and Donetsk, and everything repeated itself to a greater extent, and some sanctions continue to this day. Look, our officials, as you remember, generally say that sanctions are a blessing for our country and economy, God bless these "smart and kind" people. This is me saying that you need to stop being afraid of all the Western threats that have died down and "bend your line." The Russian people have gone through so much in their lifetime that it is simply not possible to scare them with something special. In short, there would be a political will to go to the end, and the people will do everything, no matter how sad it sounds. But until we back away, curry favor, look for a compromise with these hyenas, they will continue to scare us and scare us with horror stories.

[Old Orc]

You need to understand why this situation is needed. Ukraine does not need this; the United States needs a war, and such a war for which generators of heat and light will not fly to American cities. The most suitable option is the Korean War. Battle of UN troops against volunteers in the third territory. Such a war is beneficial to the United States but not beneficial to Russia. The United States will boost the economy. Russia will lose reserves. If it drags on for a year, everyone will experience the effect of World War I. Waste of weapons and ammunition in peacetime and the impossibility of their rapid renewal. For the United States, this is less critical, since for them the next step will be taken by the fleet on the other side of the world.

[Lvalentine]

As I understood from all open sources of information, the Ukrainian Armed Forces decided to apply the Karabakh option. However, a static echolon defense was built in Karabakh, where all forces were concentrated. Having broken through, regardless of the huge losses, the enemy entered the operational space, not encountering further fierce resistance. In Donbass, the defense is dynamic and there are relatively small forces on the line of contact, capable of repelling an attack up to an enemy company. If the enemy introduces forces of up to 20 bayonets to break through the defense, the defense forces will be withdrawn and the enemy grouping will move into the interior without hindrance. But the further the breakthrough is, the higher the danger of being left without supplies. The forces of the operational reserve will bluntly block the supply routes, destroy communications, headquarters, UAV stations, long-range artillery barrels, and warehouses in the enemy's near rear. Left without supply, fire support, reconnaissance, control, the breakthrough group will not only stand up but will be systematically destroyed.

[yfast]

Quote: Lvalentin

Left without supply, fire support, reconnaissance, control, the breakthrough group will not only stand up but will be systematically destroyed.

They will sit between the houses of civilians in villages and cities and will rob, but it will not work to smoke with heavy weapons.

[Black lotos]

which the topic is already being opened in Ukraine and there they always insist that they will destroy Ukraine, which will strike first, accumulate forces around, they will attack, they will strike a missile bombing, BGT and so on.
That is, they have accumulated openly / hidden a lot of forces and at the same time Ukraine must strike the first blow in order to get a response. At the same time, Ukraine must deliver a blow that must bring the Russian military machine into a state of fair war.
At the same time, Ukraine is concentrating the military on its territory, the Donetsk and Lugansk regions are also Ukraine, according to the recognition of peace and the Russian Federation. And it must strike on its territory, not on the Russian Federation. However, the Russian Federation surrounds Ukraine on three sides and threatens to "counterattack" for Ukraine's strike on Ukrainian territory.
Am I missing anything? After all, he expressed the view of an outside observer, to whom this war will look like. And to the world it will look like that.
And here are two points, the first. The Russian Federation has accumulated so much under the borders that the gun will fire even if Ukraine does not strike. In fact, even a pretext for the operation may not be needed because of the working war machine. They will explain there. Whether the radio station or the disguised Finns does not matter. They will come up with it. Now that dehumanization of Ukrainians has led to the fact that everyone in these topics directly wants to hit Ukraine with everything they have. And nuclear weapons the same way.
And the second point.
Why should Ukraine attack now? Rating? Yes, Ukrainians do not give a damn about the rating of politicians. They love them before they are elected. Then all the dogs are hanged.
Will the United States say to attack? So following the logic of the propagandists, Ukraine is a completely dependent country. The United States can attack when it is ready and for some purpose. And just like that on the prepared groups of OSH from three sides, is it sense to attack then? Better not to step on. And use an attack or a game of muscles to demonize the Russian Federation and enlist the opinion of doubting Europe and others.
For Ukraine itself, CADLO is not so important. You don't need to grab it. Just for the United States, they are an excellent excuse to spread rot with sanctions and the way. But from the repetition of the north wind, just to strengthen the grouping is necessary

[mitroha]

Quote: Clear

Quote: Mitroha

I consider a preemptive strike on places of concentration of troops and equipment, an unknown enemy will solve many issues

In addition, it was about "decision-making centers".

Great addition

[Boromir1941]

no agreements will help here. we must act decisively. conversations are over

[Fisherman]

This concentration makes it possible to inflict a dense fire defeat on the frontal sector of most of the pan-heads. Further retreat of the remnants will turn into surrender and total flight to Poland, with the receipt of the Hero of Russia by the Jew Zelensky for the successful operation of introducing and uniting Russia! Throwing all more or less combat-ready units under the Russian skating rink is worthy of even a twice Hero and a handshake from Putin!

[Gregory Charnota]

only the plan of the barbaros from the oval office is missing