Russian military tested new technology for aiming shock drones in Syria

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The Inohodets unmanned aerial vehicle, aka Orion, is capable of hitting ground targets with the help of guided missiles and adjustable bombs. Recently, the Russian military tested in Syria a new technology for guiding these drums. drones.

This information was reported to the agency RIA News a source related to the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.



At the same time, the interlocutor did not say exactly when the tests took place. UAVs Orion was aimed at terrorist targets using the Sagittarius-M portable reconnaissance and communications complex (KRUS). On tests it was possible to achieve high speed and accuracy. Some of the objects destroyed by the drone were detected using the complex. Ground units sent their coordinates to the Inohodtsev operators and to the headquarters via special communication channels in real time.

The source clarified that ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects the object and marks it on the tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.

UAV "Pacer" can carry a combat load of up to 250 kilograms and stay in the air for up to 24 hours. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stated that this drone is capable of hitting targets 8-12 minutes after they are detected.
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  1. +14
    April 4 2021 15: 42
    The source clarified that ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects the object and marks it on the tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.
    In short, we cannot do without ground reconnaissance and MTR groups ...
    1. +18
      April 4 2021 15: 48
      Duc, in my opinion, and "Reapers" also cannot do without it. Or I'm wrong?
    2. +27
      April 4 2021 16: 20
      Quote: svp67
      In short, you can't do without ground reconnaissance and MTR groups.

      Why? Aerial reconnaissance has not gone anywhere, and work from the ground has been simplified, now there is no need to highlight the target at the risk of life, but simply transmit the coordinates and after 10 minutes the target is destroyed.
      1. +17
        April 4 2021 16: 29
        Airborne, ground and satellite reconnaissance work on missions.
        They didn’t say simply: - Under conditions of intensive electronic countermeasures. ..
        1. +20
          April 4 2021 16: 52
          ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects an object and marks it on a tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.


      2. -24
        April 4 2021 21: 24
        Just some kind of nonsense, entered into the category of achievements ... If only the author was ashamed to voice the conclusions of stupidity and you echo it! How does Sagittarius come here if the drummer is already hanging in the air? Against the stupid partisans, it can and will work, otherwise the calculation with "Sagittarius will be destroyed, and the attack drone is shot down. Yes, the stupidity of our military, or rather their chiefs, can be envied! They are told about a constant information field, which should be in Syria in real time and the same target designation, and they give you "Strelets" to detect the enemy! They are told to remove people from the front line and use UAVs, and they give you scouts in close contact with the "bearded"! When will this idiocy in the Russian army stop? Where are the new information systems and new network-centric methods of warfare that could have been done 10 years ago? Where? The answer in rhyme suggests itself!
        1. +6
          April 4 2021 21: 57
          Quote: VO3A
          It's just nonsense, some kind of ..... If only the author was ashamed to voice the conclusions of stupidity and you echo it!

          =======
          Actually, this is the answer to your "smart" comment ....
          1. -18
            April 4 2021 21: 59
            Look with whom you are arguing, do you have a tight memory? You can refresh!
            1. +11
              April 4 2021 23: 00
              Quote: VO3A
              Look with whom you are arguing, do you have a tight memory? You can refresh!

              =========
              Oh you are my - you are my god! How cool we are! Almost like boiled eggs!
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        2. 0
          April 5 2021 08: 56
          If 10 years ago everything you required appeared in the Russian army, now in Russia it would not be known what would have happened, there would not have been those economic successes that you have achieved. For all modern military equipment is very expensive for the country. This means that the budget would then be spent on the army and the latest weapons. While the civil and social spheres would be left without funding. You would have received the Maidan in Russia and you would be happy at least that the army has not scattered yet.
          1. -6
            April 5 2021 13: 00
            A person who has no idea what he is talking about also estimates the monetary costs of this? Some idiocy!
            1. 0
              April 5 2021 13: 05
              More precisely, please, what are you talking about?
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                1. 0
                  April 5 2021 13: 16
                  So what? Everything has its time. We are making up for the lag that was allowed during the Gorbachev collapse of the country, during the devastation in the Yeltsin 90s, all this takes time, resources, finances, minds. We catch up as we can. And what does your hysteria have to do with it? The time has already passed when almost everyone was spending on a huge army and "allies", to the detriment of their economy under the USSR. As a result, there was no army, no economy, no country, no allies. Thank you, no more of this.
                  1. -2
                    April 5 2021 13: 27
                    No time, 20 years marking time! And it's not about Syria, Libya, Karabakh! Our borders are cracking, and we still do not know how to fight without nuclear weapons ..., to fight without mass death of people, to fight in a new way, cleverly ... The weapon is new, but we are fighting like in World War II ...
                    1. +1
                      April 5 2021 14: 31
                      No, this is how we fought in Afghanistan, Chechnya and in 2008. In Syria, we are already fighting differently. Yes with errors, yes with losses. But we are learning. We draw conclusions. In one year this cannot be done, not to retrain specialists, not to re-equip the army to the detriment of the economy. Do not modernize enterprises in one year. Plus corruption. We must fight it first. Think about it.
            2. 0
              April 5 2021 13: 09
              And, I realized, I had to read the above) So, in the first place, the tone is simpler, you are not in the bazaar. Secondly, show your official recognition as an expert in the field of the cost of weapons and at least a position in the government from 2006 to 2011. Then I will take your reasons for consideration. And leave the hysterical tone and indignation for arguments in the kitchen.
              1. -3
                April 5 2021 13: 32
                Is it a real anxiety hysteria? Oh well ! I changed my seventh decade long ago, collect the certificates yourself, then you will win with their help ...
                In general, I doubt that you are in the subject! Curious?
                1. 0
                  April 5 2021 14: 35
                  I am in the subject, in the military and in the economic. And I can say that the introduction of modern technologies and weapons, modern methods of war is hampered mainly by the corruption of officials, heads of allied enterprises and the commercial component of defense orders. And not the unwillingness of the Kremlin to quickly create a modern professional army.
                2. 0
                  April 6 2021 10: 10
                  VOZA, have you, in general, read this very short article CAREFULLY? .. I will give you a small quote from it. "PART of the objects destroyed by the drone WAS DETECTED using the complex." For this, the MTR fighters used the "Archer", as our school military instructor explained to me, only for INTELLIGENCE purposes, before striking Russian UAVs. "Strelets" was neither the BASIC nor the ONLY means of detection, but SUPPLEMENTED others (satellite, aviation, radio, etc.). And if you have already "exchanged your seventh decade", maybe it's time for you to visit an ophthalmologist and get glasses? .. And without them, for now, ALL your comments, "claims" on this VKTA, to the command, on the availability and use of technical means when planning and conducting reconnaissance and strike actions on this branch, they look like nothing more than emotional "general watering" ...
                  1. 0
                    April 7 2021 19: 44
                    I don't need glasses, but someone can already buy pills for sclerosis ... I know the state of affairs in Syria from other sources and you can keep your fantasies about other targeting in real time for yourself. Ask your advanced military leader why in Syria Russia does not even control the situation in the north of the country in real time ... Why can't it, and when will it learn?
                    1. 0
                      April 8 2021 12: 41
                      The answer is not valid, because you seem to have read my comment without glasses. And to my well-grounded clarification, that Sagittarius ONLY SUPPLEMENTED other means of reconnaissance and target designation, which is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR from the TEXT of the article, you DID NOT REACT IN ANY WAY. This is the first ... the second. Russia does not control the situation in the North of Syria "in real time" CONSTANTLY, for absolutely simple reasons, such as: 1. For this, the very limited contingent deployed in Syria simply lacks the potential. 2. Presumably, this contingent is also solving other NOT LESS IMPORTANT tasks. Somehow, continuous monitoring of the actions of the United States, Turkey, and other allies of the IS-bandots. As well as Israel. So, the point is not at all the "lack of brains" of the Russian military and political leadership. "3. Testing the capabilities and working out the methods of using Sagittarius in real combat conditions. Third ... To the mentioned" other sources ", convey my pioneer greetings. like me, we do not have access to the list of tasks assigned to the Russian contingent. For this, we allow you and your "source" to supplement items 1., 2., and 3 above, ... Though with glasses, even without them ...
        3. +4
          April 5 2021 15: 47
          it's interesting how will you remove people from the frontline? will you install turrets? or will you ask Sarah Conor for Terminators? There will always be contact with the enemy, a scheme was immediately worked out in which the drone can be stationary in the air and, when an enemy is detected, strike at him, both by coordinates, there and by illumination at ranges of 3,5 km. could at any time request fire support, even from an unmanned aerial vehicle or from artillery ..
          1. 0
            April 7 2021 19: 46
            You are forever behind! This is not yours. Get involved .... plant growing!
            1. 0
              April 7 2021 21: 40
              Well, how much we care about you .. it's more convenient for you to come up with an ultra convenient scheme .. the main thing is that then such a tablet falls into the hands of the enemy and he can conveniently see what our officers see .. you still screw the chat with the newsletter ..
        4. 0
          April 7 2021 19: 12
          "... Against stupid partisans, it can and will work, in another case, the calculation with" Sagittarius will be destroyed, and the attack drone is shot down.
          ..."
          - dear, you absolutely (!) DO NOT HAVE ANY IMAGINATION about modern broadband communications.
          8-))

          - well, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ...

          Modern broadband communication is practically not direction-finding and not detectable, since its electromagnetic radiation is practically UNIFORMALLY "smeared" over a huge spectral range (frequency range). And at each specific frequency (in the narrow hollow of a conventional radio receiver) - the radiation power of such a transmitter is NOTHING. And in order to receive the data transmitted by such a transmitter, it is necessary to receive and in a special way "collect the signal power" from the ENTIRE BAND of transmitted FREQUENCIES - ie. not in the 5 kilohertz band (as on HF), not 25 kilohertz (as for VHF), but it is necessary to receive the entire frequency band of tens and even hundreds (!) of megahertz. But even if the receiver has received all this gigantic frequency band, the receiver DOES NOT KNOW the applied wideband modulation method, the applied method of using it to transmit digital data (and it can change periodically!) And "the entire set of broadband transmission codes (and various codes there can be a LOT - and they can change periodically!) "- then for such a" foreign "receiver the electromagnetic radiation of ANY" foreign "broadband transmitter received by it will be NOT DIFFERENT FROM usual NOISE on the air. That is, such Shshshshshshshh .... That is, to "intercept" and "find" - there is simply NOTHING - the usual NOISE!

          No, I, of course, understand that UNDERSTANDING ALL THIS is insanely DIFFICULT for you.
          After all, modern broadband types of modulation (such as phase-frequency trellis modulation - treilis modulation) and DIFFERENT methods of coding digital data using these types of modulation - ten to fifteen years ago were not studied even at universities in specialized (!) Specialties (such as "radiophysics" ).

          - but nevertheless ... before writing anything on the topic -

          LEARN THE MATCH!
          1. 0
            April 7 2021 19: 48
            Remove the slippers from under the sofa .. This is not a forum for storytellers .....
          2. 0
            April 7 2021 20: 59
            Quote: tikhonov66
            And in order to receive the data transmitted by such a transmitter, it is necessary to receive and in a special way "collect the signal power" from the ENTIRE BAND of transmitted FREQUENCIES - ie. not in the 5 kilohertz band (as on HF), not 25 kilohertz (as for VHF), but it is necessary to receive the entire frequency band of tens and even hundreds (!) of megahertz.

            Can you name the range of such a connection in the field? And where will you go to those who work on these frequencies from the enemy - ask them to turn off their communication systems and electronic warfare?
            Quote: tikhonov66
            That is, there is simply NOTHING to "intercept" and "take bearings" - the usual NOISE!

            Of course, you get that the enemy is completely stupid and cannot know how the enemy's communication systems work, which is why everything turned out so easily for you. But you still try to explain for what range your communication system is designed - the question is already very interesting.
            Quote: tikhonov66
            and DIFFERENT ways of coding digital data using these types of modulation - ten to fifteen years ago they were not studied even at universities in specialized (!) specialties (such as "radiophysics").

            After all, you do not hesitate to lie, because in 1975 I defended my diploma on the creation of a multichannel communication system using delta-code modulation. And I studied the use of Shannon and Bose-Chowdhury codes when we were taught the theory of signal transmission - you just don't know the history of this issue yourself, but you have already determined who and what understands.
            Quote: tikhonov66
            LEARN THE MATCH!

            You, too, would not hurt to know that systems with pulse-width modulation and pulse-width modulation were developed back in the days of the USSR.
            What you are telling with such a breath was already realized about fifty years ago in the Okolysh product, but of course on the appropriate basis.
    3. +8
      April 4 2021 22: 18
      Quote: svp67
      In short, we cannot do without ground reconnaissance and MTR groups ...

      =========
      Why so? The same "Orions" exist not only in shock, but also in reconnaissance versions! And why only MTR? And what, such a device is not needed for ordinary motorized riflemen? For example, during a battle, call for reinforcements from the air?
      By the way, about the MTR. I have one friend. Now he is retired, and finished his service as a lieutenant colonel of the GRU special forces. Someone in the company joked that special forces are an endangered profession, they say, soon all these tasks will be solved by "drones", to which he objected: "No equipment will ever replace the human eye! If you only knew how many times you had to discover" targets "which neither air, space, nor radio-technical reconnaissance could detect!"
      1. +5
        April 5 2021 11: 06
        And how many times did American UAVs strike civilians and civilians? Many. Therefore, you are right.
      2. +4
        April 5 2021 12: 21
        Quote: venik
        "No technology can ever replace the human eye! If you only knew HOW MANY times you could detect" targets "that neither aerial, nor space, nor radio-technical reconnaissance could detect!"

        Moreover, when they begin to press seriously with electronic warfare the control lines of drones and satellite communication channels, only a commando will be able to quickly encrypt and transmit information via the HF radio station the exact situation and coordinates of objects of interest. That is why the human factor in such situations will remain decisive for a long time, although it is quite obvious that technical means of reconnaissance and control means of our strategic nuclear forces will play the main role in a fleeting nuclear war.
        1. -1
          April 7 2021 19: 17
          "... oh, only a commando can quickly encrypt and transmit information over a HF radio station
          ..."
          - forget about "HF radio stations" and "manual encryption" ...
          This is not just yesterday - but even the day before yesterday of military radio communications.
          Now all encryption is performed automatically - without any participation of "special forces".
          And it is useless to intercept the radiation of modern broadband communications.
          1. 0
            April 7 2021 20: 39
            Quote: tikhonov66
            Now all encryption is performed automatically - without any participation of "special forces".

            Do you even know what Olkhon-PC was developed for?
            Quote: tikhonov66
            And it is useless to intercept the radiation of modern broadband communications.

            You can crush them, and much more easily, and this will lead to the disruption of communication sessions, so that nothing will need to be intercepted. By the way, how do you get extra frequencies for broadband signals?
            Tell us why you should forget about HF radio stations - can you justify it?
  2. +11
    April 4 2021 15: 46
    It is rather a game of an inquiring mind - to direct the UAV to a target from a ground vehicle. It is more logical to direct the ACS using a UAV.
    1. +10
      April 4 2021 15: 53
      And if the range is not enough, how then?
      1. -10
        April 4 2021 21: 34
        And then there are Tornadoes and Polonaises from the Belarusians with a range of up to 300 km and with guided missiles, and there are also drums of UAVs on duty in security zones with guided missiles with a range of up to 24 km ... Everything except the mind is in the heads of our stupid generals ... They do not know how to fight in a new way, and do not even have a clue how to do it ...
        1. +3
          April 5 2021 10: 07
          Yes, the fact that your generals are stupid, we have no doubt. You cannot be read without laughing.
          1. -5
            April 5 2021 13: 04
            Yeah, in the 41st with little blood on foreign territory, and who is against, then you can't read without laughing ... And what did you get? Do you want to re? Laugh on ... For a grain of information about the enemy you will stack scouts and not even see the enemy who killed you !!!
            1. +1
              April 5 2021 15: 53
              laughing those. you were not told that in the same Syria for a long time only UAVs work without tramps?
          2. 0
            April 8 2021 16: 50
            Where did yours come from?
        2. 0
          April 8 2021 16: 51
          Ours, and where are you from?
          1. 0
            April 8 2021 17: 20
            I'm from Mother Russia.
      2. -1
        April 7 2021 19: 18
        "... And if the range is not enough, how then?
        ..."
        - the satellite constellation has NO such problem.
        1. 0
          April 8 2021 16: 53
          Yes, efficiency.
    2. +15
      April 4 2021 15: 58
      Quote: Botanologist
      games of the inquisitive mind - aim the UAV at the target from a ground vehicle. It is more logical to direct the ACS using a UAV.

      So one does not interfere with the other! It is possible to launch a mini-multicopter from a ground vehicle (from the same "tiger" ...) ... receive data and transmit it to the operators of the Orion complexes! In this case, the UAV air group may consist of some "strikers" ...
    3. +8
      April 4 2021 16: 26
      By the way, so the bayraktars suggest they have no satellite control and the distance is increased with the help of wearable transmitters and UAV repeaters
      1. 0
        April 4 2021 18: 19
        Quote: loki565
        By the way, so the bayraktars suggest they have no satellite control

        like the new model has a hump with a satellite transmitter
        1. +3
          April 4 2021 23: 30
          Yes, the new twin-engine has, but it has a corresponding price
          1. +3
            April 5 2021 09: 47
            There is a hump, there are no companions.
    4. +4
      April 4 2021 16: 37
      Quote: Botanologist
      It is more logical to direct the ACS using a UAV.

      Why only ACS - VNII "Signal" plans to develop a set of unified equipment that will provide automatic data entry for firing on towed guns ... In particular, for artillery it is supposed to automatically receive information about enemy targets and their coordinates via communication channels, automatic guidance and calculation of the moment of opening fire. https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2021/03/31/13541846.shtml
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        1. +1
          April 5 2021 12: 45
          Quote: Alex_Bora
          The ACS has its own guidance system, automated.

          Automated 18.03.2021/20213182334/4 At the Trirechye training ground in the Amur Region, the Malka self-propelled artillery unit of the Eastern Military District, during tactical exercises, fired at the maximum range using coordinates received from an unmanned aerial vehicle. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/XNUMX-iKXNUMXaC.html
          [media = https: //tvzvezda.ru/news/20213182334-iK4aC.html/player/]
          On horseback, not on horseback, but such weapons are available both in the army and in storage ...
  3. +13
    April 4 2021 15: 48
    The less barmale will be, the better the World and the cleaner the air.
  4. -2
    April 4 2021 15: 48
    And so I would like to govern directly from Russia, as it is in the States.
    1. KAV
      +10
      April 4 2021 15: 52
      Quote: Basarev
      And so I would like to govern directly from Russia, as it is in the States.

      Have you seen enough of Hollywood films?
      1. +9
        April 4 2021 16: 22
        No Hollywood - just an ordinary Astro channel. The Chinese, Americans, Israelis and even the Turks in the series. Orion has some plans for now. Altius is with him in a box, but he is not in the series yet.

        1. +9
          April 4 2021 16: 40
          Quote: donavi49
          Altius is with him in a box, but he is not in the series yet.

          The Ministry of Defense has already ordered the first batch, and this summer I will test the entire range of weapons.
          1. +2
            April 4 2021 17: 30
            For tests, tell them on VO, or you missed the letter T.! feel
            1. +2
              April 4 2021 19: 30
              Quote: tralflot1832
              the letter T was missed.!

              I just noticed it myself)))
              1. +3
                April 4 2021 20: 36
                Apparently they are already experiencing.
    2. -14
      April 4 2021 15: 55
      And what can the stars-stripes do ??? Again we saw enough and believed in Hollywood fairy tales in the progressive technologies of the Yankers.
      1. +4
        April 4 2021 16: 19
        yes, they seem to be able to
        I'm not sure about drums
        and scouts may well be
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      1. +11
        April 4 2021 18: 26
        Quote from rudolf
        In most cases, the equipment located at the forward airfield where the drone is directly based only controls takeoff and landing, and the actions are controlled from the territory of the United States via satellite communication channels.

        I remembered a story from the last years of the life of the USSR, when one very big boss, having attended some major international meeting in Europe, was amazed that his American colleague took something like a mobile push-button telephone in his hand, dialed the number and began to talk to his wife in America ... Naturally, our boss demanded that we owe what we have, and he was shown our correspondent satellite communication station the size of a good diplomat, and quite decent in weight. Of course, what happens in such cases poured out from him, and what our developers were not accused of. In general, this story ended with an attempt to explain to him that the American spoke from a simple VHF radio station, which had a communication channel with a machine with a satellite dish deployed near the event, which had a satellite channel with America. And for our satellite station, no car was needed - it worked directly with the satellite, which naturally affected its dimensions. Whether this boss understood everything or not, I don’t know, but it’s so easy to mislead some people when they don’t understand how all this is organized.
        It's the same now - of course, all control of the UAV is conducted from the forward airfield, and only then all this is transmitted to the United States via satellite communication channels - so at least it will be more reliable to control the drone.
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        2. +2
          April 4 2021 23: 11
          I remembered one story


          As in a joke:
          -And radios on lamps, or on semiconductors?
          - For the dull, I repeat! Radios! On tanks!

          Unwillingness to listen to the opinion of experts and the lack of personal competence / education in the issue under discussion never led to a positive result.
  5. +7
    April 4 2021 15: 54
    Recently, the Russian military tested a new technology for aiming these attack drones in Syria.
    It is necessary, the equipment is developed, produced, goes to the troops, and continue.
  6. -2
    April 4 2021 16: 05
    Their coordinates were sent by ground units to the operators of the Amokhodtsev and to the headquarters via special communication channels in real time.

    Does this mean that the system works only for stationary objects?
    1. +5
      April 4 2021 16: 49
      Give the GOS - it will work on mobile, but only if the communication channel provides real reaction time.
  7. +1
    April 4 2021 16: 10
    Well, good. But why trumpet about it all over the world? You can quietly, silently rivet, test, bring to mind, test again, put into production, train personnel and take them into service. Why all this hype? what
    1. D16
      +6
      April 4 2021 16: 19
      Why all this hype? what

      The advertisement is engine of the trade.
    2. +3
      April 4 2021 22: 37
      Quote: Captive
      Why all this hype?

      You can't please everyone. Some here, with smoke on their keyboard, demand to give them everything, from performance characteristics to blueprints and keys to safes, others demand execution by hanging for those who even say a word about modern weapons. request Let the "chekists" deal with what is possible and what is not. They know better
  8. +5
    April 4 2021 16: 49
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    The less barmale will be, the better the World and the cleaner the air.

    There will be no fewer of them while we are struggling with the consequences, and not with the cause of their occurrence and existence.
    1. +2
      April 4 2021 23: 13
      and not with the cause of their occurrence


      It's like a disease. It is easier to prevent than to cure later. Prevention is needed. It is necessary to eliminate the cause.
  9. -2
    April 4 2021 17: 49
    Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that this drone is capable of hitting targets in 8-12 minutes after their detection.

    Long however. request
    First, a reconnaissance and strike drone must do this "instantly." Discovered-identified-destroyed.
    Secondly, even with third-party target designation, the drone is above the combat area and the reaction time is a minute or two.
    1. +3
      April 4 2021 18: 05
      If the enemy is mobile and mobile, you need to track where they will go in order to cover everyone with the base at the same time.
      1. -3
        April 4 2021 18: 22
        Quote: Vadim237
        If the enemy is mobile and mobile, you need to track where they will go in order to cover everyone with the base at the same time.

        Even if he is not mobile. An extra 10 minutes of waiting can allow opponents to damage you. For example, carry out a volley at your positions from MLRS or strike from ATGM.
    2. +2
      April 4 2021 20: 25
      Long however.

      Why
      The drone does not have to be above the object, in most cases the drone still needs to fly. Taking into account all the factors, time is given.
      1. -2
        April 4 2021 20: 30
        Quote: lucul
        Long however.

        Why
        The drone does not have to be above the object, in most cases the drone still needs to fly. Taking into account all the factors, time is given.

        If you have one drone for the whole of Siberia, then yes, but the drone is so good that the pilot does not get tired and the drone hangs over the battlefield for days and not alone. Over Gaza (look at the map for its size) during operations dozens of drones at the same time. Accordingly, the drone does not need to fly anywhere, it is enough to use a guided weapon or highlight and this weapon will fly by itself. Something like it was in Karabakh.
        1. +4
          April 4 2021 20: 39
          If you have one drone for the whole of Siberia, then yes, but the drone is so good that the pilot does not get tired and the drone hangs over the battlefield for days and not alone. Over Gaza (look at the map for its size) during operations dozens of drones at the same time. Accordingly, the drone does not need to fly anywhere, it is enough to use a guided weapon or highlight and this weapon will fly by itself. Something like it was in Karabakh.

          Look at the world WIDER.
          Gaza, Karabakh are small local conflicts. When the conflict stretches along the front for as much as 3 km, from Murmansk to the Caucasus, as in the Second World War, then there is a completely different approach.
          Shoigu said, taking into account our scale.
          1. -2
            April 4 2021 20: 49
            Quote: lucul
            Look at the world WIDER.
            Gaza, Karabakh are small local conflicts, when the conflict stretches along the front for 3 km, as in the Second World War, then there is a completely different approach.
            Shoigu said, taking into account our scale.

            He spoke in the light of a complete lack of understanding of the subject by a person who had never served in the army and had never fought.

            In a global conflict, no drones are needed.

            A front of 3000 km with a drone flight time of 8-12 minutes (on average 10) with an average mule speed of 120 km / h (20 km in 10 minutes) would require hundreds of drones in the most optimistic scenario. The experience of Gaza, Afghanistan and Karabakh says that thousands of drones are needed for 3000 km.
            1. -1
              April 4 2021 20: 52
              A front of 3000 km with a drone flight time of 8-12 minutes (on average 10) with an average mule speed of 120 km / h (20 km in 10 minutes) will require hundreds of drones in the most optimistic scenario

              Such saturation is planned.
              1. -5
                April 4 2021 21: 00
                Quote: lucul
                A front of 3000 km with a drone flight time of 8-12 minutes (on average 10) with an average mule speed of 120 km / h (20 km in 10 minutes) will require hundreds of drones in the most optimistic scenario

                Such saturation is planned.

                I also I plan buy a car. There is little left to do. Opportunities to tighten up. wink
            2. -2
              April 4 2021 21: 46
              Don't talk nonsense about the front! UAVs are tied to a positional area with a radius of about 200 km, which is all shot in real time by accurate weapons with a direct hit when reconnaissance UAVs are illuminated even from the ground, strike UAVs and aviation in reserve ... hot or cold depends on the situation ...
  10. 0
    April 4 2021 17: 52
    The fighter on the ground gives the coordinates of the target, and the UAV operator directs the device to the target, identifies it and destroys it. Very interesting.
  11. 0
    April 4 2021 18: 01
    Russian military tested new technology for aiming shock drones in Syria

    Is the first one ready? Let's go!
  12. +2
    April 4 2021 18: 58
    > 8-12 minutes after detection.
    And if Orion is over the area, why exactly 8-12 minutes, the signal delay, or what is meant?
    It turns out that there is no satellite communication, but even via a radio channel, probably more quickly?
  13. +1
    April 4 2021 19: 11
    Experience, even in controlling UAVs and inflicting blows from them, like impotence, comes over the years. laughing
  14. +2
    April 4 2021 19: 32
    Is it possible to direct the UAV using the UAV itself? And then the laser rangefinder can fly.
    1. 0
      April 5 2021 01: 37
      Quote: yfast
      Is it possible to direct the UAV using the UAV itself?

      This is also practiced ... as an option!
  15. 0
    April 4 2021 20: 21
    The principle that one will come out all in real time is one of the most important in modern warfare, this technology is part of this principle. But here it is important that it automatically determines which tool is the fastest, most effective, economical, safe to destroy the whole. This can be a drone, a high-precision howitzer, a high-precision rocket, an airplane, etc. Without a doubt, SAGITTARIUS is part of the system and the principle that one will come out all and confirmed where needed on the battlefield.
  16. 0
    April 4 2021 20: 25
    let's try it in Donbass good
  17. 0
    April 4 2021 20: 30
    The source clarified that ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects the object and marks it on the tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.

    I would very much like to be able to issue target designation and EVERY platoon.)))
  18. +1
    April 5 2021 03: 28
    Quote: Intruder
    The less barmale will be, the better the World and the cleaner the air.
    and their little children are meaner! ?? Only culture and education helps to make civilized people out of them, and bombs and missiles, have not done anyone kinder yet, only made them angry ... and plus the destroyed Syrian cities still need to be rebuilt, and who will pay for it: Russians, Americans or Europeans, ordinary taxpayers out of their pockets!

    Don't talk nonsense, neither culture nor education could resist National Socialism (fascism), all, well, almost all, Germany applauded Hitler and not only she, one might say, it's true with a stretch, most of Europe. And this is a nation of culture and Science! Education is not a panacea and a good kick will not hurt, and only then let them decide to live peacefully and teach children or get a Yule.
  19. 0
    April 5 2021 11: 27
    How about testing 9M542 in Donbas? If we supplement the reconnaissance network to a level that allows the creation of a "list" not only of the coordinates of stationary targets, such as headquarters, warehouses, etc., but also temporarily stationary ones like artillery positions, accumulation of equipment, etc.
    12 programmable 9M542 on the SMERCH installation is 12 target coordinates in one direction with an alternate salvo of all 12 missiles. The list is updated in real time. They work out 12 coordinates per salvo with each installation behind the front line. Volley - Reload - Volley - Reload.
    So you can win the war without the introduction of regular units of the RF Armed Forces. Of course, you need to secretly place a large number of 9M542s, establish a system for collecting coordinates and promptly providing a list to all installations. Create air defense for areas where installations are located, especially against UAVs.
  20. 0
    April 5 2021 12: 14
    Wonderful technology, just wonderful! It remains only to intercept the control signal, which goes according to standard protocols by radio, and make some changes to the sight. Having designated the control point as the primary goal. Then you can direct the "orphaned" drones in their own way. Wonderful.
  21. 0
    April 6 2021 21: 25
    Quote: TatarinSSSR
    I am in the subject, in the military and in the economic. And I can say that the introduction of modern technologies and weapons, modern methods of war is hampered mainly by the corruption of officials, heads of allied enterprises and the commercial component of defense orders. And not the unwillingness of the Kremlin to quickly create a modern professional army.

    Ha, well, so it gets in the way, change all of the above in 20 years, don't be ridiculous