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Russian military tested new technology for aiming shock drones in Syria

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The unmanned aerial vehicle "Pacer", aka "Orion", is capable of hitting ground targets with the help of guided missiles and corrected aerial bombs. Recently, the Russian military tested a new guidance technology for these attack drones in Syria.


This information was reported to the agency RIA News a source related to the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

At the same time, the interlocutor did not say exactly when the tests took place. The Orion drones were aimed at terrorist targets using the Strelets-M portable intelligence command and communications complex (KRUS). During the tests, it was possible to achieve high speed and accuracy. Some of the objects destroyed by the drone were detected using the complex. Their coordinates were sent by ground units to the operators of the Amokhodtsev and to the headquarters via special communication channels in real time.

The source clarified that ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects the object and marks it on the tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.

UAV "Pacer" can carry a combat load of up to 250 kilograms and stay in the air for up to 24 hours. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stated that this drone is capable of hitting targets 8-12 minutes after they are detected.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 4 2021 15: 42
    +14
    The source clarified that ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects the object and marks it on the tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.
    In short, we cannot do without ground reconnaissance and MTR groups ...
    1. Artyom Karagodin
      Artyom Karagodin April 4 2021 15: 48
      +18
      Duc, in my opinion, and "Reapers" also cannot do without it. Or I'm wrong?
    2. figwam
      figwam April 4 2021 16: 20
      +27
      Quote: svp67
      In short, you can't do without ground reconnaissance and MTR groups.

      Why? Aerial reconnaissance has not gone anywhere, and work from the ground has been simplified, now there is no need to highlight the target at the risk of life, but simply transmit the coordinates and after 10 minutes the target is destroyed.
      1. hirurg
        hirurg April 4 2021 16: 29
        +17
        Airborne, ground and satellite reconnaissance work on missions.
        They didn’t say simply: - Under conditions of intensive electronic countermeasures. ..
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 4 2021 16: 52
          +20
          ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects an object and marks it on a tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.


      2. VO3A
        VO3A April 4 2021 21: 24
        -24%
        Just some kind of nonsense, entered into the category of achievements ... If only the author was ashamed to voice the conclusions of stupidity and you echo it! How does Sagittarius come here if the drummer is already hanging in the air? Against the stupid partisans, it can and will work, otherwise the calculation with "Sagittarius will be destroyed, and the attack drone is shot down. Yes, the stupidity of our military, or rather their chiefs, can be envied! They are told about a constant information field, which should be in Syria in real time and the same target designation, and they give you "Strelets" to detect the enemy! They are told to remove people from the front line and use UAVs, and they give you scouts in close contact with the "bearded"! When will this idiocy in the Russian army stop? Where are the new information systems and new network-centric methods of warfare that could have been done 10 years ago? Where? The answer in rhyme suggests itself!
        1. venik
          venik April 4 2021 21: 57
          +6
          Quote: VO3A
          It's just nonsense, some kind of ..... If only the author was ashamed to voice the conclusions of stupidity and you echo it!

          =======
          Actually, this is the answer to your "smart" comment ....
          1. VO3A
            VO3A April 4 2021 21: 59
            -18%
            Look with whom you are arguing, do you have a tight memory? You can refresh!
            1. venik
              venik April 4 2021 23: 00
              +11
              Quote: VO3A
              Look with whom you are arguing, do you have a tight memory? You can refresh!

              =========
              Oh you are my - you are my god! How cool we are! Almost like boiled eggs!
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        2. TatarinSSSR
          TatarinSSSR April 5 2021 08: 56
          0
          If 10 years ago everything you required appeared in the Russian army, now in Russia it would not be known what would have happened, there would not have been those economic successes that you have achieved. For all modern military equipment is very expensive for the country. This means that the budget would then be spent on the army and the latest weapons. While the civil and social spheres would be left without funding. You would have received the Maidan in Russia and you would be happy at least that the army has not scattered yet.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A April 5 2021 13: 00
            -6
            A person who has no idea what he is talking about also estimates the monetary costs of this? Some idiocy!
            1. TatarinSSSR
              TatarinSSSR April 5 2021 13: 05
              0
              More precisely, please, what are you talking about?
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                1. TatarinSSSR
                  TatarinSSSR April 5 2021 13: 16
                  0
                  So what? Everything has its time. We are making up for the lag that was allowed during the Gorbachev collapse of the country, during the devastation in the Yeltsin 90s, all this takes time, resources, finances, minds. We catch up as we can. And what does your hysteria have to do with it? The time has already passed when almost everyone was spending on a huge army and "allies", to the detriment of their economy under the USSR. As a result, there was no army, no economy, no country, no allies. Thank you, no more of this.
                  1. VO3A
                    VO3A April 5 2021 13: 27
                    -2
                    No time, 20 years marking time! And it's not about Syria, Libya, Karabakh! Our borders are cracking, and we still do not know how to fight without nuclear weapons ..., to fight without mass death of people, to fight in a new way, cleverly ... The weapon is new, but we are fighting like in World War II ...
                    1. TatarinSSSR
                      TatarinSSSR April 5 2021 14: 31
                      +1
                      No, this is how we fought in Afghanistan, Chechnya and in 2008. In Syria, we are already fighting differently. Yes with errors, yes with losses. But we are learning. We draw conclusions. In one year this cannot be done, not to retrain specialists, not to re-equip the army to the detriment of the economy. Do not modernize enterprises in one year. Plus corruption. We must fight it first. Think about it.
            2. TatarinSSSR
              TatarinSSSR April 5 2021 13: 09
              0
              And, I realized, I had to read the above) So, in the first place, the tone is simpler, you are not in the bazaar. Secondly, show your official recognition as an expert in the field of the cost of weapons and at least a position in the government from 2006 to 2011. Then I will take your reasons for consideration. And leave the hysterical tone and indignation for arguments in the kitchen.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A April 5 2021 13: 32
                -3
                Is it a real anxiety hysteria? Oh well ! I changed my seventh decade long ago, collect the certificates yourself, then you will win with their help ...
                In general, I doubt that you are in the subject! Curious?
                1. TatarinSSSR
                  TatarinSSSR April 5 2021 14: 35
                  0
                  I am in the subject, in the military and in the economic. And I can say that the introduction of modern technologies and weapons, modern methods of war is hampered mainly by the corruption of officials, heads of allied enterprises and the commercial component of defense orders. And not the unwillingness of the Kremlin to quickly create a modern professional army.
                2. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze April 6 2021 10: 10
                  0
                  VOZA, have you, in general, read this very short article CAREFULLY? .. I will give you a small quote from it. "PART of the objects destroyed by the drone WAS DETECTED using the complex." For this, the MTR fighters used the "Archer", as our school military instructor explained to me, only for INTELLIGENCE purposes, before striking Russian UAVs. "Strelets" was neither the BASIC nor the ONLY means of detection, but SUPPLEMENTED others (satellite, aviation, radio, etc.). And if you have already "exchanged your seventh decade", maybe it's time for you to visit an ophthalmologist and get glasses? .. And without them, for now, ALL your comments, "claims" on this VKTA, to the command, on the availability and use of technical means when planning and conducting reconnaissance and strike actions on this branch, they look like nothing more than emotional "general watering" ...
                  1. VO3A
                    VO3A April 7 2021 19: 44
                    0
                    I don't need glasses, but someone can already buy pills for sclerosis ... I know the state of affairs in Syria from other sources and you can keep your fantasies about other targeting in real time for yourself. Ask your advanced military leader why in Syria Russia does not even control the situation in the north of the country in real time ... Why can't it, and when will it learn?
                    1. ABC-schütze
                      ABC-schütze April 8 2021 12: 41
                      0
                      The answer is not valid, because you seem to have read my comment without glasses. And to my well-grounded clarification, that Sagittarius ONLY SUPPLEMENTED other means of reconnaissance and target designation, which is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR from the TEXT of the article, you DID NOT REACT IN ANY WAY. This is the first ... the second. Russia does not control the situation in the North of Syria "in real time" CONSTANTLY, for absolutely simple reasons, such as: 1. For this, the very limited contingent deployed in Syria simply lacks the potential. 2. Presumably, this contingent is also solving other NOT LESS IMPORTANT tasks. Somehow, continuous monitoring of the actions of the United States, Turkey, and other allies of the IS-bandots. As well as Israel. So, the point is not at all the "lack of brains" of the Russian military and political leadership. "3. Testing the capabilities and working out the methods of using Sagittarius in real combat conditions. Third ... To the mentioned" other sources ", convey my pioneer greetings. like me, we do not have access to the list of tasks assigned to the Russian contingent. For this, we allow you and your "source" to supplement items 1., 2., and 3 above, ... Though with glasses, even without them ...
        3. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 5 2021 15: 47
          +4
          it's interesting how will you remove people from the frontline? will you install turrets? or will you ask Sarah Conor for Terminators? There will always be contact with the enemy, a scheme was immediately worked out in which the drone can be stationary in the air and, when an enemy is detected, strike at him, both by coordinates, there and by illumination at ranges of 3,5 km. could at any time request fire support, even from an unmanned aerial vehicle or from artillery ..
          1. VO3A
            VO3A April 7 2021 19: 46
            0
            You are forever behind! This is not yours. Get involved .... plant growing!
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 7 2021 21: 40
              0
              Well, how much we care about you .. it's more convenient for you to come up with an ultra convenient scheme .. the main thing is that then such a tablet falls into the hands of the enemy and he can conveniently see what our officers see .. you still screw the chat with the newsletter ..
        4. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 April 7 2021 19: 12
          0
          "... Against stupid partisans, it can and will work, in another case, the calculation with" Sagittarius will be destroyed, and the attack drone is shot down.
          ..."
          - dear, you absolutely (!) DO NOT HAVE ANY IMAGINATION about modern broadband communications.
          8-))

          - well, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ...

          Modern broadband communication is practically not direction-finding and not detectable, since its electromagnetic radiation is practically UNIFORMALLY "smeared" over a huge spectral range (frequency range). And at each specific frequency (in the narrow hollow of a conventional radio receiver) - the radiation power of such a transmitter is NOTHING. And in order to receive the data transmitted by such a transmitter, it is necessary to receive and in a special way "collect the signal power" from the ENTIRE BAND of transmitted FREQUENCIES - ie. not in the 5 kilohertz band (as on HF), not 25 kilohertz (as for VHF), but it is necessary to receive the entire frequency band of tens and even hundreds (!) of megahertz. But even if the receiver has received all this gigantic frequency band, the receiver DOES NOT KNOW the applied wideband modulation method, the applied method of using it to transmit digital data (and it can change periodically!) And "the entire set of broadband transmission codes (and various codes there can be a LOT - and they can change periodically!) "- then for such a" foreign "receiver the electromagnetic radiation of ANY" foreign "broadband transmitter received by it will be NOT DIFFERENT FROM usual NOISE on the air. That is, such Shshshshshshshh .... That is, to "intercept" and "find" - there is simply NOTHING - the usual NOISE!

          No, I, of course, understand that UNDERSTANDING ALL THIS is insanely DIFFICULT for you.
          After all, modern broadband types of modulation (such as phase-frequency trellis modulation - treilis modulation) and DIFFERENT methods of coding digital data using these types of modulation - ten to fifteen years ago were not studied even at universities in specialized (!) Specialties (such as "radiophysics" ).

          - but nevertheless ... before writing anything on the topic -

          LEARN THE MATCH!
          1. VO3A
            VO3A April 7 2021 19: 48
            0
            Remove the slippers from under the sofa .. This is not a forum for storytellers .....
          2. ccsr
            ccsr April 7 2021 20: 59
            0
            Quote: tikhonov66
            And in order to receive the data transmitted by such a transmitter, it is necessary to receive and in a special way "collect the signal power" from the ENTIRE BAND of transmitted FREQUENCIES - ie. not in the 5 kilohertz band (as on HF), not 25 kilohertz (as for VHF), but it is necessary to receive the entire frequency band of tens and even hundreds (!) of megahertz.

            Can you name the range of such a connection in the field? And where will you go to those who work on these frequencies from the enemy - ask them to turn off their communication systems and electronic warfare?
            Quote: tikhonov66
            That is, there is simply NOTHING to "intercept" and "take bearings" - the usual NOISE!

            Of course, you get that the enemy is completely stupid and cannot know how the enemy's communication systems work, which is why everything turned out so easily for you. But you still try to explain for what range your communication system is designed - the question is already very interesting.
            Quote: tikhonov66
            and DIFFERENT ways of coding digital data using these types of modulation - ten to fifteen years ago they were not studied even at universities in specialized (!) specialties (such as "radiophysics").

            After all, you do not hesitate to lie, because in 1975 I defended my diploma on the creation of a multichannel communication system using delta-code modulation. And I studied the use of Shannon and Bose-Chowdhury codes when we were taught the theory of signal transmission - you just don't know the history of this issue yourself, but you have already determined who and what understands.
            Quote: tikhonov66
            LEARN THE MATCH!

            You, too, would not hurt to know that systems with pulse-width modulation and pulse-width modulation were developed back in the days of the USSR.
            What you are telling with such a breath was already realized about fifty years ago in the Okolysh product, but of course on the appropriate basis.
    3. venik
      venik April 4 2021 22: 18
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      In short, we cannot do without ground reconnaissance and MTR groups ...

      =========
      Why so? The same "Orions" exist not only in shock, but also in reconnaissance versions! And why only MTR? And what, such a device is not needed for ordinary motorized riflemen? For example, during a battle, call for reinforcements from the air?
      By the way, about the MTR. I have one friend. Now he is retired, and finished his service as a lieutenant colonel of the GRU special forces. Someone in the company joked that special forces are an endangered profession, they say, soon all these tasks will be solved by "drones", to which he objected: "No equipment will ever replace the human eye! If you only knew how many times you had to discover" targets "which neither air, space, nor radio-technical reconnaissance could detect!"
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR April 5 2021 11: 06
        +5
        And how many times did American UAVs strike civilians and civilians? Many. Therefore, you are right.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 5 2021 12: 21
        +4
        Quote: venik
        "No technology can ever replace the human eye! If you only knew HOW MANY times you could detect" targets "that neither aerial, nor space, nor radio-technical reconnaissance could detect!"

        Moreover, when they begin to press seriously with electronic warfare the control lines of drones and satellite communication channels, only a commando will be able to quickly encrypt and transmit information via the HF radio station the exact situation and coordinates of objects of interest. That is why the human factor in such situations will remain decisive for a long time, although it is quite obvious that technical means of reconnaissance and control means of our strategic nuclear forces will play the main role in a fleeting nuclear war.
        1. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 April 7 2021 19: 17
          -1
          "... oh, only a commando can quickly encrypt and transmit information over a HF radio station
          ..."
          - forget about "HF radio stations" and "manual encryption" ...
          This is not just yesterday - but even the day before yesterday of military radio communications.
          Now all encryption is performed automatically - without any participation of "special forces".
          And it is useless to intercept the radiation of modern broadband communications.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 7 2021 20: 39
            0
            Quote: tikhonov66
            Now all encryption is performed automatically - without any participation of "special forces".

            Do you even know what Olkhon-PC was developed for?
            Quote: tikhonov66
            And it is useless to intercept the radiation of modern broadband communications.

            You can crush them, and much more easily, and this will lead to the disruption of communication sessions, so that nothing will need to be intercepted. By the way, how do you get extra frequencies for broadband signals?
            Tell us why you should forget about HF radio stations - can you justify it?
  2. Botanologist
    Botanologist April 4 2021 15: 46
    +11
    It is rather a game of an inquiring mind - to direct the UAV to a target from a ground vehicle. It is more logical to direct the ACS using a UAV.
    1. Vadim Ananyin
      Vadim Ananyin April 4 2021 15: 53
      +10
      And if the range is not enough, how then?
      1. VO3A
        VO3A April 4 2021 21: 34
        -10%
        And then there are Tornadoes and Polonaises from the Belarusians with a range of up to 300 km and with guided missiles, and there are also drums of UAVs on duty in security zones with guided missiles with a range of up to 24 km ... Everything except the mind is in the heads of our stupid generals ... They do not know how to fight in a new way, and do not even have a clue how to do it ...
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 April 5 2021 10: 07
          +3
          Yes, the fact that your generals are stupid, we have no doubt. You cannot be read without laughing.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A April 5 2021 13: 04
            -5
            Yeah, in the 41st with little blood on foreign territory, and who is against, then you can't read without laughing ... And what did you get? Do you want to re? Laugh on ... For a grain of information about the enemy you will stack scouts and not even see the enemy who killed you !!!
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 5 2021 15: 53
              +1
              laughing those. you were not told that in the same Syria for a long time only UAVs work without tramps?
          2. Vadim Ananyin
            Vadim Ananyin April 8 2021 16: 50
            0
            Where did yours come from?
        2. Vadim Ananyin
          Vadim Ananyin April 8 2021 16: 51
          0
          Ours, and where are you from?
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 April 8 2021 17: 20
            0
            I'm from Mother Russia.
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 April 7 2021 19: 18
        -1
        "... And if the range is not enough, how then?
        ..."
        - the satellite constellation has NO such problem.
        1. Vadim Ananyin
          Vadim Ananyin April 8 2021 16: 53
          0
          Yes, efficiency.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 4 2021 15: 58
      +15
      Quote: Botanologist
      games of the inquisitive mind - aim the UAV at the target from a ground vehicle. It is more logical to direct the ACS using a UAV.

      So one does not interfere with the other! It is possible to launch a mini-multicopter from a ground vehicle (from the same "tiger" ...) ... receive data and transmit it to the operators of the Orion complexes! In this case, the UAV air group may consist of some "strikers" ...
    3. loki565
      loki565 April 4 2021 16: 26
      +8
      By the way, so the bayraktars suggest they have no satellite control and the distance is increased with the help of wearable transmitters and UAV repeaters
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 4 2021 18: 19
        0
        Quote: loki565
        By the way, so the bayraktars suggest they have no satellite control

        like the new model has a hump with a satellite transmitter
        1. loki565
          loki565 April 4 2021 23: 30
          +3
          Yes, the new twin-engine has, but it has a corresponding price
          1. mlad
            mlad April 5 2021 09: 47
            +3
            There is a hump, there are no companions.
    4. Brturin
      Brturin April 4 2021 16: 37
      +4
      Quote: Botanologist
      It is more logical to direct the ACS using a UAV.

      Why only ACS - VNII "Signal" plans to develop a set of unified equipment that will provide automatic data entry for firing on towed guns ... In particular, for artillery it is supposed to automatically receive information about enemy targets and their coordinates via communication channels, automatic guidance and calculation of the moment of opening fire. https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2021/03/31/13541846.shtml
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        1. Brturin
          Brturin April 5 2021 12: 45
          +1
          Quote: Alex_Bora
          The ACS has its own guidance system, automated.

          Automated 18.03.2021/20213182334/4 At the Trirechye training ground in the Amur Region, the Malka self-propelled artillery unit of the Eastern Military District, during tactical exercises, fired at the maximum range using coordinates received from an unmanned aerial vehicle. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/XNUMX-iKXNUMXaC.html
          [media = https: //tvzvezda.ru/news/20213182334-iK4aC.html/player/]
          On horseback, not on horseback, but such weapons are available both in the army and in storage ...
  3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 4 2021 15: 48
    +13
    The less barmale will be, the better the World and the cleaner the air.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 4 2021 18: 26
      -3
      The less barmale will be, the better the World and the cleaner the air.
      and their little children are meaner! ?? Only culture and education helps to make civilized people out of them, and bombs and missiles, have not done anyone kinder yet, only made them angry ... and plus the destroyed Syrian cities still need to be rebuilt, and who will pay for it: Russians, Americans or Europeans, ordinary taxpayers out of their pockets!
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 4 2021 18: 32
        +6
        And you also tell about the culture and education of children whose heads were cut off by their relatives in front of the barmaley. But if we do not build settlements and infrastructure, then there will indeed be soil for germination of seedlings and the further spread of extremism.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 4 2021 20: 51
          -3
          And you also tell about the culture and education of children whose heads were cut off by their relatives in front of the barmaley
          And why tell, about all this dirt and blood, especially to the relatives of the victims, there is no point in this ...
          Unfortunately, if the volumes of comparable finances were spent on education and culture in poor countries request , as for military operations in the same countries, perhaps the problems would not be so acute, and there were an order of magnitude fewer children with their relatives cut off their heads !!! And so, now is the time to "collect stones" ... wink
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 4 2021 21: 13
            +2
            Before you start building, you need to rid the World of creatures that have long lost all moral and ethical values. Since it is too late for them to return something human and it is also impossible to control them, so that they do not interfere, they must be eliminated.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder April 4 2021 21: 16
              -3
              Since it is too late for them to return something human and it is also not possible to control them, and therefore it is only necessary to eliminate them.
              And so, with "this gimmick" is guaranteed, we will reach the next one: the 3rd World War, but the 4th will already be with sticks and stones, together with smoke fires on the hills! ??? laughing wink
              1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 4 2021 21: 23
                +3
                The third is called the "Cold War", which, thanks to the Stars and Stripes, has not ended. wassat
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder April 4 2021 22: 42
                  +1
                  The third is called the "Cold War", which, thanks to the Stars and Stripes, has not ended.
                  Well, if, only this way .... then we count a little ahead, ... into the 5th !? laughing
          2. Alex_Bora
            Alex_Bora April 5 2021 12: 40
            +2
            Well, just "Mother Teresa"
            1. Intruder
              Intruder April 5 2021 13: 31
              +1
              Well, just "Mother Teresa"
              yes not to life ... wink I am only on this path, humble wanderer ... winked
      2. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik April 5 2021 10: 25
        +5
        Only culture and education helps to make civilized people out of them

        It is difficult to explain the principles of humanism and universal equality to a person who considers those who disagree with him to be cut up. such must be destroyed. And talk with the rest.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 5 2021 11: 08
          -1
          It is difficult to explain the principles of humanism and universal equality to a person who considers those who disagree with him to be cut up. such must be destroyed. And talk with the rest.
          Hmm, maybe instead of ... ??? wink , like for a start: to educate, teach and do good and eternal with free education, starting from a young age for the younger generation of the following cutters and fanatics of all stripes in 10-20 years already again, to a heap and the creation of a stable economy and medicine in third countries peace .., but with the rest, you can and should conduct an equal dialogue ...
          1. Alex_Bora
            Alex_Bora April 5 2021 12: 42
            +1
            And at whose expense is the banquet?
            1. Intruder
              Intruder April 5 2021 13: 32
              -2
              And at whose expense is the banquet?
              at the expense of those who pay for military operations, the same grandmother, only in a different direction and key ... winked
          2. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik April 5 2021 16: 17
            0
            Hmm, maybe instead of ... ???

            Well, if you are such a humanist, then turn off your computer, pack your bag and go sow the eternal and good. Just put on a bulletproof vest.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder April 5 2021 18: 50
              -2
              Well, if you are such a humanist, then turn off your computer, pack your bag and go sow the eternal and good. Just put on a bulletproof vest.
              This has already remained in the past, and fortunately, let it be now, it remains there until the very end of the personal ..., there was even a "close and long-term connection with the armor, how could it be without it ... wink , and now health and age, take their toll ... but as in the songs: because, there is always dirt and blood, and deep regret for what you have done with your own hands ...
  4. Basarev
    Basarev April 4 2021 15: 48
    -2
    And so I would like to govern directly from Russia, as it is in the States.
    1. KAV
      KAV April 4 2021 15: 52
      +10
      Quote: Basarev
      And so I would like to govern directly from Russia, as it is in the States.

      Have you seen enough of Hollywood films?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 4 2021 16: 22
        +9
        No Hollywood - just an ordinary Astro channel. The Chinese, Americans, Israelis and even the Turks in the series. Orion has some plans for now. Altius is with him in a box, but he is not in the series yet.

        1. figwam
          figwam April 4 2021 16: 40
          +9
          Quote: donavi49
          Altius is with him in a box, but he is not in the series yet.

          The Ministry of Defense has already ordered the first batch, and this summer I will test the entire range of weapons.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 April 4 2021 17: 30
            +2
            For tests, tell them on VO, or you missed the letter T.! repeat
            1. figwam
              figwam April 4 2021 19: 30
              +2
              Quote: tralflot1832
              the letter T was missed.!

              I just noticed it myself)))
              1. figwam
                figwam April 4 2021 20: 36
                +3
                Apparently they are already experiencing.
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 4 2021 15: 55
      -14%
      And what can the stars-stripes do ??? Again we saw enough and believed in Hollywood fairy tales in the progressive technologies of the Yankers.
      1. kytx
        kytx April 4 2021 16: 19
        +4
        yes, they seem to be able to
        I'm not sure about drums
        and scouts may well be
    3. rudolff
      rudolff April 4 2021 16: 13
      +11
      Orion has no satellite connection. The Reaper has it. Quote: "In flight, the UAV is controlled by an autopilot, its actions from the ground are controlled by the pilot and the operator of electronic systems. In most cases, the equipment located at the forward airfield where the drone is directly based only controls takeoff and landing, and the actions are controlled from the United States via satellite communication channels. At the same time, the response time to the command received is approximately 1,5 seconds.The main control center for American medium and heavy class UAVs is located at Creech Air Force Base, Nevada. It is from here that UAV operations are controlled around the world. operate at a considerable distance from the home aerodrome, outside the range of ground-based transmitters of radio signals.
      In March 2019, it was reported that General Atomics Aeronautical Systems had tested a new Block 50 Ground Control Station (GCS) to control the MQ-9A Reaper reconnaissance and strike unmanned aerial vehicle. The control was carried out from the control complex located at Great Butte Airfield in California. "
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 4 2021 18: 26
        +11
        Quote: rudolff
        In most cases, the equipment located at the forward airfield where the drone is directly based only controls takeoff and landing, and the actions are controlled from the territory of the United States via satellite communication channels.

        I remembered a story from the last years of the life of the USSR, when one very big boss, having attended some major international meeting in Europe, was amazed that his American colleague took something like a mobile push-button telephone in his hand, dialed the number and began to talk to his wife in America ... Naturally, our boss demanded that we owe what we have, and he was shown our correspondent satellite communication station the size of a good diplomat, and quite decent in weight. Of course, what happens in such cases poured out from him, and what our developers were not accused of. In general, this story ended with an attempt to explain to him that the American spoke from a simple VHF radio station, which had a communication channel with a machine with a satellite dish deployed near the event, which had a satellite channel with America. And for our satellite station, no car was needed - it worked directly with the satellite, which naturally affected its dimensions. Whether this boss understood everything or not, I don’t know, but it’s so easy to mislead some people when they don’t understand how all this is organized.
        It's the same now - of course, all control of the UAV is conducted from the forward airfield, and only then all this is transmitted to the United States via satellite communication channels - so at least it will be more reliable to control the drone.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff April 4 2021 18: 43
          +3
          For this, still full coverage must be communication satellites. In his youth, he was fond of radio amateurism, including satellite communications. The equipment itself is simple, the transmitter is low-power. All hemorrhoids were in the schedule of the passage of satellites.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder April 4 2021 22: 27
            -2
            All hemorrhoids were in the schedule of the passage of satellites.
            this is in what year, there was such a "hemorrhoid", I have been using it for almost a dozen years: GPRedict, a convenient attachment (for various platforms), there are actual database updates (TLE) over the network and locally, with all orbital parameters ...
            1. rudolff
              rudolff April 5 2021 09: 30
              +3
              It was in the 80s. Should I tell you what attachments, platforms, bases, networks were then?
              1. Intruder
                Intruder April 5 2021 09: 35
                -2
                It was in the 80s. Should I tell you what attachments, platforms, bases, networks were then?
                with an indication of both the possibilities of operation, via "radio amateur satellites", in RTTY mode, and of the type:
                In the 1980s, along with the first Soviet radio amateur satellites, AMSAT continued to launch its OSCAR series satellites into low-earth orbits. At the same time, the idea of ​​using amateur radio communications on inhabited space objects was born and implemented. Under the SAREX program (Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment) in 1983, astronaut Owen Garriott, W5LFL, becomes the first radio amateur to operate from a space object (the American Shuttle). It conducts several hundred amateur radio communications on the 2m band. In the same years, UA3CR made attempts to organize amateur radio communications on the Soviet space station Mir, however, due to the reluctance of Soviet officials, this succeeded only in 1988. The first amateur radio communication with the Mir station was carried out on November 8, 1988 between the radio station of the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper UK3KP, which was operated by Leonid Labutin (UA3CR) and cosmonaut Musa Manarov (U2MIR).
                In 1985, CEPT adopted recommendation T / R 61-01 "CEPT Radio Amateur License". This recommendation made it possible for radio amateurs of CEPT member countries to operate on the air for short-term visits from other CEPT countries without obtaining an individual temporary license from the visited CEPT country. In the years to come, CEPT will be actively involved in the activities of the amateur radiocommunication service.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder April 4 2021 22: 15
          -2
          It's the same now - of course, all control of the UAV is conducted from the forward airfield, and only then all this is transmitted to the United States via satellite communication channels - so at least it will be more reliable to control the drone.
          This is all described in the long-accepted NATO standard:
          The STANAG 4586 standard has become the key document for the Alliance countries in ensuring the compatibility of UAVs and ground control stations (Ground Control Statіon). It was adopted in the second edition and formulates requirements for data formats and exchange protocols, defining one of five possible levels of aircraft compatibility and control point. A huge positive effect from the implementation of this standard is the absence of the need to develop separate control points for each type of UAV. The problem is solved, among other things, by introducing a special support module for a specific type of aircraft (VSM - Vehicle Specific Module) into the equipment set of the ground station. Ensuring interoperability has also positively contributed to increased competition in STANAG-compatible hardware and reduced development costs. In 2008, work was completed on the third edition of STANAG 4586, which is undergoing ratification. The main improvements in STANAG 4586 are related to the refinement (narrowing) of the frequency band and the use of new technological advances in the field of interfaces for data exchange.
        3. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik April 4 2021 23: 11
          +2
          I remembered one story


          As in a joke:
          -And radios on lamps, or on semiconductors?
          - For the dull, I repeat! Radios! On tanks!

          Unwillingness to listen to the opinion of experts and the lack of personal competence / education in the issue under discussion never led to a positive result.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 April 4 2021 15: 54
    +7
    Recently, the Russian military tested a new technology for aiming these attack drones in Syria.
    It is necessary, the equipment is developed, produced, goes to the troops, and continue.
  6. Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 4 2021 16: 05
    -2
    Their coordinates were sent by ground units to the operators of the Amokhodtsev and to the headquarters via special communication channels in real time.

    Does this mean that the system works only for stationary objects?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 4 2021 16: 49
      +5
      Give the GOS - it will work on mobile, but only if the communication channel provides real reaction time.
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 4 2021 16: 10
    +1
    Well, good. But why trumpet about it all over the world? You can quietly, silently rivet, test, bring to mind, test again, put into production, train personnel and take them into service. Why all this hype? what
    1. D16
      D16 April 4 2021 16: 19
      +6
      Why all this hype? what

      The advertisement is engine of the trade.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 4 2021 22: 37
      +3
      Quote: Captive
      Why all this hype?

      You can't please everyone. Some here, with smoke on their keyboard, demand to give them everything, from performance characteristics to blueprints and keys to safes, others demand execution by hanging for those who even say a word about modern weapons. request Let the "chekists" deal with what is possible and what is not. They know better
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 5 2021 13: 35
        -1
        Let the "chekists" deal with what is possible and what is not. They know better
        now the employees, neighing over this entire scribble of ours and the whole department went on a lunch break ... laughing
  8. Incomprehensible
    Incomprehensible April 4 2021 16: 49
    +5
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    The less barmale will be, the better the World and the cleaner the air.

    There will be no fewer of them while we are struggling with the consequences, and not with the cause of their occurrence and existence.
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik April 4 2021 23: 13
      +2
      and not with the cause of their occurrence


      It's like a disease. It is easier to prevent than to cure later. Prevention is needed. It is necessary to eliminate the cause.
  9. Professor
    Professor April 4 2021 17: 49
    -2
    Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that this drone is capable of hitting targets in 8-12 minutes after their detection.

    Long however. request
    First, a reconnaissance and strike drone must do this "instantly." Discovered-identified-destroyed.
    Secondly, even with third-party target designation, the drone is above the combat area and the reaction time is a minute or two.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 4 2021 18: 05
      +3
      If the enemy is mobile and mobile, you need to track where they will go in order to cover everyone with the base at the same time.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 4 2021 18: 22
        -3
        Quote: Vadim237
        If the enemy is mobile and mobile, you need to track where they will go in order to cover everyone with the base at the same time.

        Even if he is not mobile. An extra 10 minutes of waiting can allow opponents to damage you. For example, carry out a volley at your positions from MLRS or strike from ATGM.
    2. lucul
      lucul April 4 2021 20: 25
      +2
      Long however.

      Why
      The drone does not have to be above the object, in most cases the drone still needs to fly. Taking into account all the factors, time is given.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 4 2021 20: 30
        -2
        Quote: lucul
        Long however.

        Why
        The drone does not have to be above the object, in most cases the drone still needs to fly. Taking into account all the factors, time is given.

        If you have one drone for the whole of Siberia, then yes, but the drone is so good that the pilot does not get tired and the drone hangs over the battlefield for days and not alone. Over Gaza (look at the map for its size) during operations dozens of drones at the same time. Accordingly, the drone does not need to fly anywhere, it is enough to use a guided weapon or highlight and this weapon will fly by itself. Something like it was in Karabakh.
        1. lucul
          lucul April 4 2021 20: 39
          +4
          If you have one drone for the whole of Siberia, then yes, but the drone is so good that the pilot does not get tired and the drone hangs over the battlefield for days and not alone. Over Gaza (look at the map for its size) during operations dozens of drones at the same time. Accordingly, the drone does not need to fly anywhere, it is enough to use a guided weapon or highlight and this weapon will fly by itself. Something like it was in Karabakh.

          Look at the world WIDER.
          Gaza, Karabakh are small local conflicts. When the conflict stretches along the front for as much as 3 km, from Murmansk to the Caucasus, as in the Second World War, then there is a completely different approach.
          Shoigu said, taking into account our scale.
          1. Professor
            Professor April 4 2021 20: 49
            -2
            Quote: lucul
            Look at the world WIDER.
            Gaza, Karabakh are small local conflicts, when the conflict stretches along the front for 3 km, as in the Second World War, then there is a completely different approach.
            Shoigu said, taking into account our scale.

            He spoke in the light of a complete lack of understanding of the subject by a person who had never served in the army and had never fought.

            In a global conflict, no drones are needed.

            A front of 3000 km with a drone flight time of 8-12 minutes (on average 10) with an average mule speed of 120 km / h (20 km in 10 minutes) would require hundreds of drones in the most optimistic scenario. The experience of Gaza, Afghanistan and Karabakh says that thousands of drones are needed for 3000 km.
            1. lucul
              lucul April 4 2021 20: 52
              -1
              A front of 3000 km with a drone flight time of 8-12 minutes (on average 10) with an average mule speed of 120 km / h (20 km in 10 minutes) will require hundreds of drones in the most optimistic scenario

              Such saturation is planned.
              1. Professor
                Professor April 4 2021 21: 00
                -5
                Quote: lucul
                A front of 3000 km with a drone flight time of 8-12 minutes (on average 10) with an average mule speed of 120 km / h (20 km in 10 minutes) will require hundreds of drones in the most optimistic scenario

                Such saturation is planned.

                I also I plan buy a car. There is little left to do. Opportunities to tighten up. wink
            2. VO3A
              VO3A April 4 2021 21: 46
              -2
              Don't talk nonsense about the front! UAVs are tied to a positional area with a radius of about 200 km, which is all shot in real time by accurate weapons with a direct hit when reconnaissance UAVs are illuminated even from the ground, strike UAVs and aviation in reserve ... hot or cold depends on the situation ...
          2. Intruder
            Intruder April 5 2021 13: 37
            0
            When the conflict stretches along the front for as much as 3 km, from Murmansk to the Caucasus
            this is where and when it was, with a line of as much as 3000 km !? 75 years ago and perhaps, but then with drones and other things, it didn't work out somehow ... winked
  10. tarragon
    tarragon April 4 2021 17: 52
    0
    The fighter on the ground gives the coordinates of the target, and the UAV operator directs the device to the target, identifies it and destroys it. Very interesting.
  11. 123456789
    123456789 April 4 2021 18: 01
    0
    Russian military tested new technology for aiming shock drones in Syria

    Is the first one ready? Let's go!
  12. Intruder
    Intruder April 4 2021 18: 16
    -1
    Recently, the Russian military tested a new guidance technology for these attack drones in Syria.
    just like that and a new one !? I can tell you for this that:
    The "Strelets" and "Strelets-M" intelligence complex for command and control (KRUS) for military equipment "Ratnik" is produced at the domestic enterprise "Radioavionics". The complex was put into service in 2007 and is supplied serially. The Strelets intelligence, control and communications complex is supplied primarily to ground reconnaissance units. The first samples of the complex, after passing various range and combat tests, go for revision. Our scouts, having experience in operating foreign analogues "FELIN", "IdZ-ES" and "Normans" asked the developers to improve the existing sample of the "Strelets" complex. First, the base of the first samples was made on the basis of elements from the 2000s. The designers were sympathetic to the request of the military and the upgraded KRUS “Strelets” is being tested. After successful tests, ground units began to be massively provided with the complex. More than one thousand units of the "Strelets" complex have already entered the armed forces of the Russian Federation. General designer of the enterprise "Radioavionika" A. Kaplin, talking about the complex "Strelets", noted that the first samples of KRUS were somewhat inconvenient for the soldiers - they had a fairly decent weight of 5.4 kilograms, interfered with the soldier when passing the assault strip, covered access to pouches and a first aid kit ... Now, after the modernization, the complex began to weigh 2.4 kilograms, received smaller overall characteristics, and large blocks are attached so as not to interfere with the performance of other tasks. In the Zapad-2009 exercises, KRUS Strelets was used to interact with aviation for the third time, and specifically for giving target designations to Su-24M bombers. It looks like this: using the PDU-4 laser rangefinder (range 3-5 km), the coordinates of the target are determined, which come to the commander's personal computer. Then the commander sends them on board the aircraft. The operating range by means of the R-853-B2M radio station is 8 km, when using a ground repeater - up to 200 km, when using a repeater aircraft at an altitude of 9-10 km - up to 300-400 km. In addition, each aircraft equipped with the SVP-24 system serves as a repeater in itself.




    This KRUS includes an autonomous navigation module, which is provided with an inertial system. It makes it possible for a soldier to know exactly his coordinates, even if he left the area of ​​coverage of satellite navigation. Switching between navigation systems occurs in the complex automatically. The complex can be equipped with a helmet-mounted display subsystem for producing fire from a shelter.
    1. lucul
      lucul April 4 2021 20: 28
      +3
      I can tell you for this that:

      Maybe a new one is already being tested in Syria, who will tell us. )))
      This is already 14 years old)))
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 4 2021 21: 02
        -4
        Maybe a new one is already being tested in Syria, who will tell us. )))
        Of course, they may have installed another tablet with a different interface shell, screwed on several other modules: radio links, there are others and batteries are lighter, or the case is thinner for the tablet and the mass is less, and everything else - but the point is to change, everything is worked out just have been in service for almost 15 years !?
        1. lucul
          lucul April 4 2021 21: 25
          +1
          and everything else - and the meaning to change, everything has been worked out for almost 15 years already and is in service !?

          Over the past 14 years, new processors Elbrus and Baikal have appeared, and a lot of interesting things can be done on their basis.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder April 4 2021 21: 12
      -2
      And this is FELIN Combat System:

      and here, the same German Future Soldier Systems (IDZ ES):
  13. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin April 4 2021 18: 58
    +2
    > 8-12 minutes after detection.
    And if Orion is over the area, why exactly 8-12 minutes, the signal delay, or what is meant?
    It turns out that there is no satellite communication, but even via a radio channel, probably more quickly?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 4 2021 20: 55
      -3
      And if Orion is over the area, why exactly 8-12 minutes, the signal delay, or what is meant?
      well, he cannot be immediately in the zone of use of airborne weapons, plus time for coordination with the headquarters, and there, until they decide and agree with Moscow, with higher ranks !?
      1. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin April 4 2021 21: 19
        0
        I admit UAVs on patrol in the area where weapons are used, it seems to me that the maximum is still indicated, in fact, everything will be carried out faster.
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 4 2021 19: 11
    +1
    Experience, even in controlling UAVs and inflicting blows from them, like impotence, comes over the years. laughing
  15. yfast
    yfast April 4 2021 19: 32
    +2
    Is it possible to direct the UAV using the UAV itself? And then the laser rangefinder can fly.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 4 2021 20: 57
      -2
      And then the laser rangefinder can fly.
      And the range of this LCC, plus the atmosphere, can be cloudy and other difficult meteorological conditions ...
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 5 2021 01: 37
      0
      Quote: yfast
      Is it possible to direct the UAV using the UAV itself?

      This is also practiced ... as an option!
  16. Wolf
    Wolf April 4 2021 20: 21
    0
    The principle that one will come out all in real time is one of the most important in modern warfare, this technology is part of this principle. But here it is important that it automatically determines which tool is the fastest, most effective, economical, safe to destroy the whole. This can be a drone, a high-precision howitzer, a high-precision rocket, an airplane, etc. Without a doubt, SAGITTARIUS is part of the system and the principle that one will come out all and confirmed where needed on the battlefield.
  17. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich April 4 2021 20: 25
    0
    let's try it in Donbass good
  18. lucul
    lucul April 4 2021 20: 30
    0
    The source clarified that ground reconnaissance, using Strelets-M, detects the object and marks it on the tablet, where it indicates its exact location and parameters. The information received is transmitted to the nearest drone, which strikes.

    I would very much like to be able to issue target designation and EVERY platoon.)))
  19. bukhach
    bukhach April 5 2021 03: 28
    +1
    Quote: Intruder
    The less barmale will be, the better the World and the cleaner the air.
    and their little children are meaner! ?? Only culture and education helps to make civilized people out of them, and bombs and missiles, have not done anyone kinder yet, only made them angry ... and plus the destroyed Syrian cities still need to be rebuilt, and who will pay for it: Russians, Americans or Europeans, ordinary taxpayers out of their pockets!

    Don't talk nonsense, neither culture nor education could resist National Socialism (fascism), all, well, almost all, Germany applauded Hitler and not only she, one might say, it's true with a stretch, most of Europe. And this is a nation of culture and Science! Education is not a panacea and a good kick will not hurt, and only then let them decide to live peacefully and teach children or get a Yule.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 04: 59
      -2
      and a good kick will not hurt, and only then let them decide to live peacefully and teach children or get a Julia.
      Interesting idea bully especially when the kick is not in the direction of your back! ??? laughing
      1. bukhach
        bukhach April 5 2021 23: 33
        +1
        Maybe I'm cutting the heads of the Gentiles and destroying everything I can? If you meant the principle of reciprocity, then nothing new has been discovered, this happens in any war, and I consider it inappropriate to grin about it.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 6 2021 06: 40
          0
          What do you want to weigh?
          Is this your proposal, sir !? bully
          Maybe I cut the heads of the Gentiles and destroy everything I can?
          Terry ghost of the medieval heresy, walks in the heads, as familiar and it was already ... a little like that, 1000 years earlier !? laughing wink
          If you meant the principle of reciprocity, then nothing new was discovered, in any war this happens
          Are we discussing this ??? The problem with a lack of communication, in real life? And who will forbid me to put these emoticons !? I want to see this brave man ... laughing laughing laughing
          1. bukhach
            bukhach April 6 2021 13: 43
            -1
            Who do you ... don't need, leave your stupidity for yourself, if there is no concept of decency, you can even defecate in public, well, who will forbid such a brave man!
            1. Intruder
              Intruder April 6 2021 16: 52
              0
              Who do you ... don't need, leave your stupidity for yourself, if there is no concept of decency, then you can even defecate in public, well, who will forbid such a brave man!
              Canonical and "toilet" written! Bravo, all that we could generate ... in two phrases bully , I did not ask to communicate with you, these are your thoughts here ... laughing
  20. Siegfried
    Siegfried April 5 2021 11: 27
    0
    How about testing 9M542 in Donbas? If we supplement the reconnaissance network to a level that allows the creation of a "list" not only of the coordinates of stationary targets, such as headquarters, warehouses, etc., but also temporarily stationary ones like artillery positions, accumulation of equipment, etc.
    12 programmable 9M542 on the SMERCH installation is 12 target coordinates in one direction with an alternate salvo of all 12 missiles. The list is updated in real time. They work out 12 coordinates per salvo with each installation behind the front line. Volley - Reload - Volley - Reload.
    So you can win the war without the introduction of regular units of the RF Armed Forces. Of course, you need to secretly place a large number of 9M542s, establish a system for collecting coordinates and promptly providing a list to all installations. Create air defense for areas where installations are located, especially against UAVs.
  21. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 5 2021 12: 14
    0
    Wonderful technology, just wonderful! It remains only to intercept the control signal, which goes according to standard protocols by radio, and make some changes to the sight. Having designated the control point as the primary goal. Then you can direct the "orphaned" drones in their own way. Wonderful.
  22. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 April 6 2021 21: 25
    0
    Quote: TatarinSSSR
    I am in the subject, in the military and in the economic. And I can say that the introduction of modern technologies and weapons, modern methods of war is hampered mainly by the corruption of officials, heads of allied enterprises and the commercial component of defense orders. And not the unwillingness of the Kremlin to quickly create a modern professional army.

    Ha, well, so it gets in the way, change all of the above in 20 years, don't be ridiculous