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In Kiev, they said that the world media should call the conflict in Donbass a "Russian-Ukrainian war"

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Kiev reacted negatively to the publication in the Norwegian press, in which the columnist Torgeir Knutsen called the conflict in Donbass "a war between Ukraine and the separatists." Despite the indication by the Norwegian author that "the separatists are supported by Russia," Ukrainian "experts" said that "the world media should call this armed conflict a Russian-Ukrainian war."


Thus, in Kiev, some people continue to believe that they have the right to dictate their own interpretations of events to the Western media, including the interpretation of hostilities in Donbass.

Torgeir Knutsen notes that the armed clashes in the east of Ukraine "are the only country in Europe that has already begun to be forgotten in many respects due to the decrease in the number of mutual shelling." At the same time, the Norwegian observer adds that recently they began to pay attention to the conflict again, as the sides resumed shelling, violating the current ceasefire regime. In particular, it is noted that the Ukrainian representatives in the Trilateral Contact Group are taking the initiative to agree on the so-called "Easter Truce".

At the same time, the European press does not understand why to pile up agreements, if the parties have already signed agreements on a complete and unconditional ceasefire.

Meanwhile, the US State Department released a report on the observance of human rights. For the first time in several years, Ukraine has been named among the countries where, according to the US Foreign Ministry, human rights are violated. Thus, it was pointed out to unjustified detentions of journalists, restrictions on freedom of speech and other undemocratic manifestations. Despite the fact that dozens of countries were named as problematic from the point of view of human rights protection in the State Department report, for Ukraine it became a tub of cold water. Experts believe that this is a kind of "revenge" on the part of Biden for the fact that Zelensky promised Trump to help in the investigation against his son Hunter. At the same time, many in Ukraine are reflecting on the fact that Biden did not call Kiev even more than two months after the inauguration.
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  1. Fungus
    Fungus April 2 2021 07: 39
    +8
    Well, the world media will call this conflict. Because they understand that if there was such a conflict, Ukraine would no longer exist.
    1. Civil
      Civil April 2 2021 07: 45
      -18%
      In fact, it is, in 2014 the conflict between the "Russian world" and Ukrainian nationalists began. So far, the losers are both sides.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 2 2021 07: 47
      +20
      In Kiev, they said that the world media should call the conflict in Donbass a "Russian-Ukrainian war"

      And in Donetsk and Lugansk they saidwhat the world media should call Outskirts " the skinned jackal of Europe "(since the vacancy of the hyena is occupied by Poland, and the" square "does not pull on this predator, the article did not come out).

      Donetsk and Lugansk yes Two against one yes , and Moscow is also behind us (there are two ways to interpret it - how anyone likes wink )
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 2 2021 08: 00
        +9
        I don’t know, I’m at a loss in deciding how to submit the following information (document scans).
        It seems like a document that should not be joked, and was published in LJ Colonel Cassad what ...

        But what , what posted yesterday - 1-April , and the date of the alleged start of mobilization is also the first number ...

        Possible divorce for Banderlog request ...



        1. Cananecat
          Cananecat April 2 2021 08: 49
          +5
          Everything is correct. Only this is not a mobilization, but a spring appeal. Service life is 6 months, during this time one of the VUS must be mastered. The training will take place on the basis of one of the DPR divisions.
          This news has passed in other media as well.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 2 2021 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: Fungus
      Well, the world media will call this conflict.

      they have no reason: Ukraine has NOT declared war on Russia.

      So there is no war
    4. svp67
      svp67 April 2 2021 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: Fungus
      Well, the world media will call it conflit

      Here a lot depends on the actions of the Russian side.
      Quote: Fungus
      Because they understand that if there was such a conflict, Ukraine would no longer exist.

      If for each such speech they have to go to court and prove that this is so, and then give a refutation with the payment of material compensation, then the hunters will sharply decrease
    5. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov April 2 2021 13: 35
      +2
      Quote: Fungus
      Well, the world media will call this conflict. Because they understand that if there was such a conflict, Ukraine would no longer exist.

      After reading, I thought the same thing and in the same words as you (the word "well" is clearly a typo in you, but I suppose you wanted it - "not").
      And the impudent beggars of the Bandera beggars have bothered everyone. Even to their American masters. The denouement, I think, is close.
    6. Scipio African
      Scipio African April 2 2021 16: 03
      +1
      Eh, eh! - Moska answers her. -

      That's what gives me the spirit,

      That I, absolutely without a fight,

      I can get into big bully.

      Let the dogs say:

      "Ay, pug! Know she is strong,

      What barks at the Elephant! "


      Krylov's Fable Elephant and Pug
      1. boni592807
        boni592807 April 3 2021 20: 15
        0
        Scipio Africanus (Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus), Yesterday, 16: 03, NEW -
        Krylov's Fable Elephant and Pug


        Nicely painted, colleague repeat ... But, most likely, another director's decision is likely. No. . For a long time, the well-known option:
        "... Uncle, give me a smoke.
        Baby, it's early for you.
        Yes, fuck you freak ...
        And here I am behind your ear, little boor
        and from around the corner, "support group -" .... You, that man offend our little brother ... and rushed ...!
        And there, already a question in "health" and the ability of a man, and in the number and readiness of "gopota" for any development of events. am
        Judging by the winding up of the Caudle situation (NATO), it seems to puff out more cheeks, but THERE are other provocateurs (Poland with SP-2), and the godfather has gotten into his head too, he is already itching to fight. But, to what extent are Caudlers (EuroPeets) ready for EVERYTHING ??? and how much they realize if WHAT ... crying But even here the question is in the ability to "start the PROCESS", and there WILL NOT BE until then ... (remember WW2 - the reason for the attack on Poland, and the reason for the US attack on Vietnam ...)
        In words, in words, and the US strategy and tactics in relation to European "partners" has always been the same: "... corporal, commanding - FORWARD !, but of course he is lagging behind ..."
        Yes, and the United States, if that, far away, THEIR participants in possible events (in / with the United States in Europe) have already been recorded in the planned losses, and the PRICE OF THE QUESTION for them bully Costs more. Small quote:
        "... Shakhnazarov announced the readiness of Russia's opponents to sacrifice the United States for the destruction of the Russian Federation
        15: 35 22 January 2021
        ... According to the expert, the desire of the Western financial elites to destroy Russia is less doubtful than their disinterest in a nuclear war. Shakhnazarov believes that pThe real opponents of the Russian Federation are not interested in American sovereignty and the United States itself: they realize that even with the collapse of this state into 100 new entities, the global banking system will remain approximately as it is.
        “They are well aware of the power of the existing financial system. But for them the destruction of Russia, without which the destruction of China is impossible, remains a super task. They don't care about the rest. BLM (Black Lives Matter), Trump with Biden and everything else doesn't matter. The main thing is the destruction of Russia. And in this they are absolutely united. In this, any US administration acts in the same way, "said the director.
        Shakhnazarov admits that in an effort to destroy China, for which the destruction of Russia is necessary, Western elites are willing to sacrifice the United States... Current calculations show that an exchange of nuclear strikes between the Russian Federation and the United States will destroy about half of the Americans, but for people of the scale of the financial elite, these losses are permissible .... "

        You can, of course, laugh about "and who is the expert" ?! But, true not who said, but what he said! [/ b what ] We recall the final statements about the use of nuclear weapons - NATO and the United States, the "strategic" thinking of "sleepy" Joe and events around the perimeter (at the SP-2 and Dombas) and inside the Russian Federation (Pr. that the "babakh" wanted to arrange a mosque, where mainly "guests" from Central Asia gather.) The train of thought is clear and predicted, to arrange a big mess with the "guests" inside the Russian Federation. Based on their number (guests) and the periodic identification of cells ISIS and others alike, "promotion" will be provided at MAX. To the maximum.

        [b] R.S.
        "Admirable" is the almost continuous Urya-I-I of the majority of the VO contingent. If this (God forbid) will be, then far not a shooter on the PC, or mini-local ..., at least CM. document. Reconsider the WWII personnel, especially those who did not serve ...
        Including we are preparing for ... and we hope for ..... In the case of .... - there will be no WAITER, in the case of ..., there will be a pleasure! Good luck. Respectfully, ... hi
  2. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 2 2021 07: 39
    +9
    Damn, again someone owes them something ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 2 2021 07: 52
      +6
      Quote: Ruslan Sulima
      Damn, again someone owes them something ...

      Of course they should!
      How long do they have to stand with their pants down, and the lully still do not arrive, but they do not come !! laughing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 2 2021 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan Sulima
      again, someone owes them something ...

      It should be so, everything is like according to Vladimir Vysotsky ...
      There, with a neighbor, meat in cabbage soup, crunch in cartilage for the whole village,
      And the daughter, the bride, all in pimples - is ripe, it means,
      The bride, therefore, they have, for a hundred rubles, guests alone,
      And even the skinny groom sings and jumps ...
      And my chain dogs are mad
      In the middle of the night, they went from barking to howling
      And the calluses on my feet are leaking
      The room is empty from stamping.
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 April 2 2021 08: 32
        +2
        Ward No. 6 continues to issue instructions all over the world. I did not expect that the ignorance of the sleeper and the onset of spring would aggravate their condition so much :)))
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 2 2021 08: 38
          +4
          Quote: VORON538
          Ward # 6 continues to issue directives around the world.

          An interesting thing, the patients of the psycho hospital all over the world, they give instructions.
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 2 2021 11: 07
            +1
            Well, this is not unusual. True, in the normal world, people around do not pay attention to this and only use medications for especially violent ones. But if they begin to listen, then this world is threatened with destruction.
    3. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima April 2 2021 23: 42
      0
      I will add, everyone answers there!
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 2 2021 07: 39
    +1
    Meanwhile, the US State Department released a report on the observance of human rights. For the first time in several years, Ukraine was named among the countries that, according to the US Foreign Ministry, in which human rights are violated.

    Well, finally, even the State Department began to understand who the terrorists are and who violates human rights.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 2 2021 07: 55
      -2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      even the State Department began to understand who the terrorists are

      And what do you think that such confessions of the State Department have any meaning for Russia if it was withdrawn after!?! am
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 2 2021 08: 12
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        And what do you think that such confessions of the State Department have any meaning for Russia if it was withdrawn after!?!

        I cannot say about Russia, but now at least the whole world sees what the United States thinks about Ukraine.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox April 2 2021 09: 41
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          the whole world sees what the US thinks about Ukraine.

          The whole world will not see anything until it hears the command: "Look here!"
          But Kiev was already screaming, yelling to the whole world that the United States was ready to support it militarily - well, how not to admit that Lavrov was five times RIGHT !!! laughing
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 2 2021 11: 44
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            The whole world will not see anything until it hears the command: "Look here!"

            No, the world looks always and without a command, but the mouth hits only on command.
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 2 2021 07: 39
    +5
    You called me a dreamer ... in general, an old song in a new way ...
    This is the war of the Russian WORLD against the ideology of the unfinished Nazism ... supported by the united followers of Hitler (Europe + USA) ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 2 2021 08: 02
      0
      Quote: silberwolf88
      This is the war of the Russian WORLD against the ideology of the unfinished Nazism

      Now the NATO Nazis will be offended that you called them "shortcomings".
      And why be offended when "nedobitki" sound better than the Nazis in the Baltics or the Bandera SS "Galicia".
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 April 2 2021 10: 34
        -1
        [quote NATO Nazis will be offended that you called them shortcomings.] [/ quote] ..... as in a joke
        there is a parable - .. an uninvited guest is worse than a Tatar
        Tatars were offended and petitioned at the UN. de skat humiliation
        the UN consulted and made a decision ... from now on ...
        an uninvited guest is better than a Tatar
        so and here, what is it, what is it ... what is offended then
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 2 2021 07: 40
    +3
    To begin with, let these idiots declare war on Russia and present the numbers of our units and where they are dispersed on the confrontation line. Lavrov's saying will go down in history. negative
  6. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 2 2021 07: 40
    +4
    So if there is a war, then loans from the IMF are not required! Or I'm wrong?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 2 2021 08: 06
      +2
      The Yankees can wrap up any supply of money or arms with state aid to strengthen the foundations of democracy and let it go through the State Department.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 2 2021 08: 33
      +4
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      So if there is a war, then loans from the IMF are not required! Or I'm wrong?

      So the IMF does not give money. Painfully they steal a lot!
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich April 2 2021 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: Egoza

        So the IMF does not give money. Painfully they steal a lot!
        Few share ...
        bully
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  8. rocket757
    rocket757 April 2 2021 07: 50
    +2
    In Kiev, they said that the world media should call the conflict in Donbass a "Russian-Ukrainian war"
    Are they in a hurry to surrender? Does something bother them?
    1. cniza
      cniza April 2 2021 12: 29
      +3
      Yes, they force them, but there are also frostbitten ones, and so there is no desire to fight ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 2 2021 13: 03
        +1
        Only completely frostbitten ones do not want to live, from all sides ... there are few of them!
        Start a "strange war", it can ... this happened more than once in history and did not lead to global conflicts at all.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 2 2021 13: 06
          +3
          Let's hope it doesn't flare up this time either ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 2 2021 13: 22
            +1
            And who can more than just speak / hiss in our direction? In geyrope one found a bad one ... well, there is a DIAGNOSIS !!! Kachinsky - Duda. The diagnosis is final, incorrigible ... just cut, preferably, the tail up to the ears!
            1. cniza
              cniza April 2 2021 13: 30
              +3
              They will not calm down simply and will look for more and more new options ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 2 2021 13: 42
                +1
                There is no doctor on them, and there are no orderlies with a spesfiss shirt ... unfortunately, now this is not our area of ​​responsibility, otherwise they would have already been there!
                1. cniza
                  cniza April 2 2021 17: 01
                  +3
                  Everything goes to the fact that they will soon need a doctor who examines the last and gives a conclusion ...
  9. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 April 2 2021 07: 52
    +2
    To the sense of these names, the fact that the Donbass and the gangs of xoxlov are incompatible.
    So this misunderstanding of Ukrainians will fall apart in pieces and return to its native bosom
  10. IvaNik
    IvaNik April 2 2021 07: 53
    +5
    So, for a start, you yourself need to break off diplomatic and all kinds of economic relations, declare war on Russia and martial law in Ukraine. And only then demand something from the media. And so they have been fighting for 7 years, and Russia does not even know about the war.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor April 2 2021 07: 58
      +2
      Yes, they are not crazy .. one thing is the "North Wind" and "vacationers", the other is that the entire army of the Russian Federation can rightfully participate in full force .. and even if they themselves declare war ..
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 2 2021 08: 00
      +2
      Quote: IvaNik
      declare war on Russia and martial law in Ukraine

      Then, at the same time, the siege in Kiev
    3. Hagen
      Hagen April 2 2021 08: 04
      +3
      Quote: IvaNik
      So, to begin with, you yourself need to break off diplomatic and all kinds of economic relations, declare war on Russia and martial law in Ukraine.

      They took it off the tongue !!! But the point is that even the most stubborn Ukrainians understand that with the declaration of war, gas transit will suddenly be interrupted. And the point is not that Ukraine will stop receiving money for a pipe rotting in the ground, but that Europe will suddenly understand who is to blame for the upcoming unrest in their countries in the next autumn-winter season. And then the "crowd of enthusiastic Western allies" will simply strangle the Kiev authorities in a "friendly embrace" without severance pay, and as compensation for moral damage they will withdraw the funds of the most active ukrovoyaks from the banks under their control. On this the war will end before it begins. And, most importantly, everyone knows about it. And those who want to start a war, and those who do not want to start it, but want to tell everyone how it goes. And today those who observe this clownery from the side understand this too. You don't have to be a great economist to see the volume of trade between Russia and Ukraine and understand the consequences of its one-time break.
    4. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima April 2 2021 09: 06
      +2
      So, for a start, you yourself need to break off diplomatic and all kinds of economic relations, declare war on Russia and martial law in Ukraine. And only then demand something from the media. And so they have been fighting for 7 years, and Russia does not even know about the war.

      You will also offer them to shut off the pipe) They will bend completely then, and there will be a reason to intensify the construction of SP-2)
  11. egor1712
    egor1712 April 2 2021 08: 00
    +6
    There are sick people in the leadership of Ukraine. fool
    1. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 April 2 2021 08: 32
      +3
      in the Fuehrer's headquarters, all are not very cold ... Mikhalych's quote is relevant
    2. Hagen
      Hagen April 2 2021 08: 46
      +2
      Quote: egor1712
      There are sick people in the leadership of Ukraine.

      You are wrong. Everyone is healthy. But terribly greedy. Let me explain. When the current government was just planning to come to power, they built their election programs on the basis of the wishes of the people of the country. Isn't that a healthy idea? Is not it? But upon coming to power, they instantly realized that fulfilling the will of the people, it is very difficult to get rich. It's easier to betray this people for money. Which they did. Everything here is very mean, but rational. No symptoms of disease are seen. Nits do not get sick.
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 2 2021 09: 12
        +2
        Um ..
        When the current government was just planning to come to power, they built their election programs on the basis of the wishes of the people of the country.


        Do you really believe they were planning something for the people? For the people, it was originally planned to go to the forehead, about which one of the leaders of the Bedlam shouted from the stage, but they misunderstood him, the wall was not allowed to be completed ... So he drove off as a beggar millionaire to the States, and let the people catch the promised kuli ...
        1. Hagen
          Hagen April 2 2021 10: 19
          0
          Quote: Ruslan Sulima
          Do you really believe they were planning something for the people?

          Where did you notice that I was talking about their planning to fulfill the promise to the people? During the pre-election period, the people are always and everywhere told what the people want to hear. Therefore, all the people's representatives, in all countries of the world, are afraid of introducing into life the proposal of criminal liability for non-fulfillment of election promises. And it would be high time to judge some of them as for fraud, for example.
          1. Ruslan Sulima
            Ruslan Sulima April 2 2021 15: 17
            -1
            Where did you notice that I was talking about their planning to fulfill the promise to the people? During the pre-election period, the people are always and everywhere told that people want to hear

            Well, the people got what they wanted, they got it, I don't wish them good luck.
            But if they fit into my choice, let them not be offended by the answer.
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  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 2 2021 08: 17
    +2
    laughing Yeah. And let the whitewashed Bandera pants be called bloody trousers. Well, the neighbors of the "smart guys" were not elected to power.
  14. safar gafarov
    safar gafarov April 2 2021 08: 29
    +2
    declare war first, yeshaki, and then you won't have to demand anything
  15. Andrea
    Andrea April 2 2021 09: 02
    0
    In fact, they are right, the war is really Russian-Ukrainian, only this war is being waged against the Russians in Ukraine and is being waged by the Ukrainian fascists.
    And what does separatism have to do with it, if some of the citizens refused to submit to the illegal fascist junta?
  16. unhappy
    unhappy April 2 2021 09: 17
    +2
    Again, someone owes Ukraine what request
  17. Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 April 2 2021 09: 37
    +1
    very embarrassed by the junta's statement that the media should
  18. prior
    prior April 2 2021 10: 07
    +1
    If in Kiev so itching in one place, well, so declare war on Russia yourself.
    No, the clever ones turn to the international media, declare our internal conflict a war with Russia.
    And most importantly - give money, like for the war, we have already plundered ours ...
  19. Tektor
    Tektor April 2 2021 10: 58
    0
    Why such pathetic notes, eh? Let's call it something simpler. For example, forcing the junta to return to the constitutional field. Plus, actions to ensure the repayment of debts, since the repayment guarantees were violated. Until all investments with interest are paid, they will be under external control.
  20. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 2 2021 12: 09
    +1
    Kuevkim defective Banderastas still have no idea that they do not need anyone to hell))))
  21. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 2 2021 12: 15
    0
    So the junta is the separatists who seized almost the entire territory in 2014, but I don't know why Novorossia was called the outskirts.
  22. cniza
    cniza April 2 2021 12: 28
    +2
    Despite the indication by the Norwegian author that "the separatists support Russia," Ukrainian "experts" said that "the world media should call this armed conflict a Russian-Ukrainian war."


    For this you need to declare war on us ...
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  24. sifgame
    sifgame April 2 2021 18: 19
    +1
    Well then, the victory should be called appropriately - ,, Victory of Russia in Nazi Ukraine ,,
  25. iouris
    iouris April 2 2021 18: 32
    +1
    Alternative name: limited operation of the National Guard to provide investigative action.
  26. Hiller
    Hiller April 2 2021 21: 41
    +1
    I'm embarrassed to ask: "The whole world needs 404 territory ???" And the face of the British flag won't crack at the customers? Feather them in the butt and tailwind for ease tongue
  27. Lister
    Lister April 3 2021 01: 27
    +2
    In Kiev, they said that the world media should call the conflict in Donbass a "Russian-Ukrainian war"

    Wow, Kiev began to dictate to whom and what to say. Apparently I missed something. wassat
  28. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist April 3 2021 11: 51
    0
    Someone owes something to harem pants all the time.
  29. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 4 2021 04: 45
    0
    Looks like the "jumpers" have their own concept of "War" - a war with their own people for the ideals of tolerance until it is completely destroyed, with arbitrary attribution of damage and costs to neighboring states ..