Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises that do not fulfill state defense orders

Today, a general agreement was signed between employers, trade unions and the government of the Russian Federation for a period until 2023. President Vladimir Putin also took part in the signing ceremony of this document. One of the topics that was discussed at the same time was the topic of the work of defense enterprises.

In particular, it was noted that there are still enterprises in the country that do not fully fulfill their obligations under the state defense order (SDO). As a result, when funds from government customers are fully transferred to the accounts of these enterprises, the state defense order is implemented with failures - the work can be postponed to a later date, not executed in full for the reporting period.

In such a situation, as the Kremlin press service notes, an idea was expressed about the possible nationalization of enterprises that do not ensure the fulfillment of the state defense order. Moreover, interestingly, such a proposal was made by the main FNPR (Federation of Independent Trade Unions of the Russian Federation) Mikhail Shmakov.

The Kremlin press service reports that President Vladimir Putin supported such a proposal.

According to the head of state, such a mechanism is possible in relation to malicious non-executors of the state defense order.

Thus, a kind of revision of the results of privatization is still possible. At this stage, we are talking about defense enterprises, the owners of which cannot actually fulfill their obligations to service orders from the state.

Comments

[Woodman]

According to the head of state, such a mechanism is possible in relation to malicious non-executors of the state defense order.

Thus, a kind of revision of the results of privatization is still possible. At this stage, we are talking about defense enterprises,

In! Now the "hand will be filled" may even reach the oil industry.

[Civil]

It's funny ... to wait until the enterprise becomes a dead nag without assets and to nationalize it, so that the population will pay for the restoration of the plundered enterprise. And then privatize as usual.

[Woodman]

Quote: Civil

for the population to pay for the restoration of the plundered enterprise

Plundered enterprises do not receive government orders.

[Civil]

Quote: Lesovik

Plundered enterprises do not receive government orders.

Get even ephemeral.

[Woodman]

Quote: Civil

Get even ephemeral.

I have not heard of this. In any case, no one will nationalize one-day, and the restored "plundered" enterprises will provide jobs for people.
And then many people say that there is nowhere to work, but it seems that this decision again does not suit someone ...

[Tatyana]

Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises that do not fulfill state defense orders

It was high time to nationalize the enterprises of the Russian defense sector, and to expel foreign directors-saboteurs in the role of "effective managers" from there!

[dSK]

Quote: Tatiana

to nationalize, as well as to expel foreign directors in the role of "effective managers" from there!

Kudrin and his "company" will be categorically against ...

[Tatyana]

Quote from dsk

Quote: Tatiana

to nationalize, as well as to expel foreign directors in the role of "effective managers" from there!

Kudrin and his "company" will be categorically against ...

Well, if NATO and US troops are concentrating along the Russian border and there will soon be a TMV on the nose, then Kudrin and his company will have to Putin in this case, willy-nilly, to move nowhere!

[Runway]

Do not watch TV and write nonsense (about "concentration" and "the enemy at the gate").

[jonht]

Precisely, your friends probably settled in the Tribaltic. At first, it seems like on a rotational basis, but at the moment it is already a permanent changeable contingent. And in the same Pshekia, probably their distant relatives are building bases and the number of "gastrobeiters" is increasing in number.

[Runway]

Understand the terminology, and then "commission".

[jonht]

How do you like in kilometers of the common border or in terms of the number of border detachments?
Although as an option here is not your border ... And in my country in the west of the country, the border touches on the ground with such NATO countries as Poland, Latvia, Estonia. Marine with Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria. Here you can also add conditionally neutral countries, but they all have a border not with you. And mind you in these countries, not we conduct exercises and drive equipment there for this business, but NATO. And not we, but they scream when we conduct our teachings on our land. And yet, yes, this territory is our "gateway" to Geyropu.

[Runway]

"... our" gateway "to Geyropu" sounds somewhat ambiguous ...
You will be mistaken with the amount of POGO in any case, so I will not ask you for this.
The bad "political worker" of you - you climb with slogans without grasping the essence of the issue (expose yourself to ridicule, why?)
If you are too lazy to read that there is a "concentration of troops / forces", then I can not help you with anything.
About NATO armada on the territory of the Baltic countries - isn't it funny yourself? Yankees, they are of course "three-way", but not fools in the cube, tk. any grouping of Forces that is in an operational environment (the territory of the Baltic Monsters) will not solve the problem of a bridgehead, but it will lay down with bones (when aligning the lines on the flank of the Western Military District).
We will not write about the "black trope", the number of anti-burrowing threads, the method of checking the site "for oneself", the report from the joint, dragging-hauling, "Hornet" and the number of cartridges in the block for the "service".

[Roman070280]

Well, if NATO and US troops are concentrating along the Russian border and on the nose of that and look soon there will be TMV

And if the fourth - then even more so ..))))

[Sling cutter]

Quote from dsk

Udrin and his "company" will be categorically against ...

He is a friend of the president.

[hydrox]

Quote: Stroporez

He is a friend of the president.

Lee Kuan Yew shot two of his friends, and planted 4 or 5 for a good time - look today at Singapore, what a little lyalechka it turned out! Isn't this an example for Russia and for the GDP ??

[Sling cutter]

Quote: hydrox

Isn't this an example for Russia and for the GDP ??

He is weak against Lee Kuan Yew.

[hydrox]

Strong, weak - these are emotional assessments, we will look at the results, but what we see suggests that the contours of something that may please the population are emerging, and the liberda of what is in the executive power, that in the legislative power will have to revise its party affiliation.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: hydrox

Strong, weak - these are emotional assessments, we will look at the results, but what we see suggests that the contours of something that might be liked by the population are emerging,

For 20 years, I do not see any positive results and prospects with this leadership and the president, I do not see either, but there is a lot of chatter, demagoguery and theft.

[hydrox]

Quote: Stroporez

but chatter, demagoguery and theft as much as necessary.

This is a generic trait of the Russian government - they ALWAYS stolen !!! For this liberda and goes to power!

[Revival]

Well, you can finish talking about Lee Kuan Yu

[Revival]

Based on the results and see

[maratkoRuEkb]

in Singapore there is a dictatorship, there is no smell of freedom, and the rich have become because at the intersection of the most important sea trade routes. Small area and small population also contribute to the accumulation of wealth. Well, what of this can be repeated in Russia?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from dsk

Quote: Tatiana

to nationalize, as well as to expel foreign directors in the role of "effective managers" from there!

Kudrin and his "company" will be categorically against ...

So let's see what will happen to them against ... will they push Kudrin and the company into a far, dark corner ... or not ... If they are pushed in, then the country is recovering ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Tatiana

as well as expel foreign directors-saboteurs in the role of "effective managers" from there!

Where do foreign managers and directors come from at defense industry enterprises? there is also secrecy ...

expel directors-saboteurs in the role of "effective managers" from there!

And you are kind Tatiana, expel. Conduct an audit at the enterprise, and then in the Mordovian camps based on its results, for 10 years ... without the right to parole and with confiscation of property ...

[private person]

It was high time to nationalize the enterprises of the Russian defense sector, and to expel foreign directors-saboteurs in the role of "effective managers" from there!

Saying one thing and doing something completely different. What is what a guarantor we have to say and promise a lot.

[Saratoga833]

It is not enough to nationalize, it is also necessary to apply a complete confiscation of property and funds to these "effective managers" with publication in the media! Everything reaches all absolutely people extremely quickly and efficiently through the wallet!

[private person]

It is not enough to nationalize, it is also necessary to apply a complete confiscation of property and funds to these "effective managers" with publication in the media!

HA HA !!! Do you yourself believe in it? In September, the elections to the State Duma will now hear a lot of things, maybe even for the sake of appearance they will nationalize something. They will take from one owner and install another.

[Runway]

Yes, it smells like racketeering. At the same time, no one “promised” (as usual) to hang up the lobbyists who had pushed the “dead enterprise” into the state defense order for something.
HPP in one word is the fight against the consequence, but not with the cause.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Tatiana

expel "effective managers" from there!

Their "citizens" are no less "effective" when cutting / rolling back - to shoot their own people, to drive away strangers.

[jeka424]

at enterprises throughout Russia, only Muscovites are managers

[Rostislav]

It is so, of course. But who is insured against another "rogozin"? Our senators have a lot of kids ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Tatiana

It was high time to nationalize the enterprises of the Russian defense sector, and to expel foreign directors-saboteurs in the role of "effective managers" from there!

As usual, they nationalize expenses and privatize income.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Tatiana

Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises that do not fulfill state defense orders

It was high time to nationalize the enterprises of the Russian defense sector, and to expel foreign directors-saboteurs in the role of "effective managers" from there!

Previously, they put “effective managers” against the wall for disrupting defense orders, but now they threaten with the nationalization of enterprises. Well, at least they were honored for this, and that's okay, unless, of course, everything ends with another talking shop.

[New Year day]

Quote: Lesovik

but it looks like this solution again does not suit someone ...

On the contrary! It is necessary to nationalize the entire defense industry, not unprofitable enterprises

[Alex Justice]

State-owned enterprises are ineffective. In the West, the defense industry is in the hands of private companies. Is it better to improve the control of private companies and punish managers?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lesovik

And then many people say that there is nowhere to work, but it seems that this decision again does not suit someone ...

Not satisfied with the half-heartedness of the solution. Who plundered the enterprises? Can they nationalize their property for the restoration of these enterprises? So that others are discouraged to plunder. And then a fairy tale about a white bull will turn out. They will restore and privatize again. Can it be so? You don't have to answer, the question is rhetorical. Some have robbed, then others will have to rob. And it is quite legal.

[zloybond]

The feeding system is more amusing ... it seems, as always, the idea does not come from the top - but from the outside.

[ALARI]

Do not say billions are poured into KAPO, restoring destroyed and plundered, only so that the state order can be fulfilled.

[New Year day]

Quote: Lesovik

Plundered enterprises do not receive government orders.

And why then they, the order, maliciously do not fulfill?

[Vadim237]

Because they are "Subsidiaries"

[Overlock]

Quote: Lesovik

Plundered enterprises do not receive government orders.

So why don't they work?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Lesovik

Plundered enterprises do not receive government orders.

If the threat of nationalization hangs over the non-plundered enterprise, then, while this procedure continues, only walls will be left from the enterprise.

[keeper03]

They are bankrupt, restructured, and everything is repeated from the beginning!

[Doccor18]

Quote: Civil

It's funny ... to wait until the enterprise becomes a dead nag ...

I absolutely agree.
How could the enterprises of the military-industrial complex be privatized ...?

[Victor Tsenin]

In the saints of the 90s, the term impossibility was not in trend)

[Eldorado]

A number of enterprises work for the defense industry and for the civilian sector at the same time (shipyards, aircraft factories).

[paul3390]

Interesting - and will be nationalized at the same price tag as privatized? Something I doubt .. More like not a type of concern for the state, and the next dough cut. Like everything with us. What a good scheme! For a pittance to get a working enterprise, to strip it like sticky, bring it to the handle, and then shove it back to the state along with the debts! But already at an exorbitant price .. And all this under the guise of ensuring the defense of the Motherland ..

And it is weak before this nationalization - to conduct a full audit of the enterprise to find out where the money went? With their subsequent confiscation and landing of the owner?

[New Year day]

Quote: paul3390

and will nationalize at the same price tag as privatized?

I will answer you with a question from Putin: where is the margin?

[paul3390]

I will answer you with a quote from the same classic - "Landing where? Where is the landing?"

[Machito]

Mishka Shmakov is concerned about the nationalization of defense enterprises. Doesn't he want to do his job? For example, to protect the rights of workers from the lawlessness of employers. Shmakov has no time for such nonsense, otherwise everything will be nationalized without him. And let the workers fulfill all the wishes of the brilliant leadership.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Civil

It's funny ... to wait until the enterprise becomes a dead nag without assets and to nationalize it, so that the population will pay for the restoration of the plundered enterprise. And then privatize as usual.

That's right, the nationalization of losses and the privatization of profits.)))) The Kalashnikov concern was recently sold by a "friend of friends".

[210ox]

It is strange that the leader of the Russian trade unions was concerned about this issue (I don’t see what kind of animals they are). Or not strange. From the word ALL.

[Revival]

"It is strange that the leader of the Russian trade unions is concerned about this issue."
So "tereshkov"))

[venik]

Quote: Civil

It's funny ... to wait until the enterprise becomes a dead nag without assets and nationalize

========
WHAT exactly you suggest: leave EVERYTHING AS IS ???

[Real Pilot]

Excellent! It's time for a long time, the question is ripe and almost overripe already ...

The defense should be state-owned, like the subsoil.

[Revival]

So all the rules, it is now just like the subsoil, like everything except debts

[Incvizitor]

Those who stole resources from the people should not only be removed but shot as enemies of the people.

[Woodman]

Quote: Incvizitor

and shoot them as enemies of the people.

With confiscation. Including the closest relatives at least.

[Thrifty]

Another would be to solve the issue of financing defense programs - so that commercial banks do not give money for this at extortionate interest rates, and do not give on enslaving conditions! liquidated!

[Revival]

And why and who needs it !?

[g1v2]

The oil industry was the first thing that began to be returned under the control of the state. Before GDP, Rosneft was the sixth largest producer in Russia. After a decade and a half, it came out on top in the world. In fact, Lukoil was left private on purpose in order to operate where the state corporation would not be allowed. It's the same with gas. Gazprom is state-owned, Novatek is private.

[Overlock]

Quote: g1v2

Gazprom - state

So what? At the end of 2020:

Maybe it's not about the form of ownership at all, but about the MANAGEMENT of this property?

[New Year day]

Quote: Overlock

and in the MANAGEMENT of this

Management is an important thing. No wonder Stalin said: cadres decide everything. And our personnel policy is at the level of the plinth

[Vadim237]

"By the end of 2020" You probably forgot what was going on in the world in the economy in 2020 - and what side to the losses of 706 billion rubles of Gazprom for the indicated period does this "Maybe it's not in the form of ownership, but in the MANAGEMENT of this property" Generally it is not clear - just to write something.

[Overlock]

Quote: Vadim237

and what side to the losses of 706 billion rubles of Gazprom for the indicated period does this "Maybe the case is not at all in the form of ownership, but in the MANAGEMENT of this property"

"Other expenses" 2.2 trillion rubles:
- exchange rate differences gave a loss of 325 billion rubles.
- the fall in shares of the subsidiary company Gazpromneft brought a loss of 466 billion rubles.
- accrual of reserves for doubtful debts 117 billion rubles.
- reserves for payments, incl. Poles for disputes over export gas prices.
This is CONTROL

[keeper03]

So it can be closed by nafik, as they did in the domestic aviation industry!?!

[g1v2]

Gazprom primarily feeds entire regions of the country, where otherwise it would be just work and, in fact, there would be no settlements in the machine-building industry. Tens of thousands of people across the country are tied to it. I'm not even talking about the fact that the country's gasification level is growing every year. Losses are primarily due to the construction of infrastructure, which will then be used for years and decades, and not only for them. To be honest, I didn't think that such simple things should be explained to an adult.

[Revival]

Yes, yes, Gazprom is state-owned, it felt better .. is the profit of Gazprom also state-owned?

[URAL72]

It all started with the oilmen. Yukos, thanks to which Gazprom became state-owned again and Rosneft was created. Sakhalin, with the highest quality oil, from where Western companies came from under the environmental pretext. Then there was the defense industry, when private traders were brought into corporations and they silently gave the loot in exchange for shares that did not even give them a seat on the board of directors. This is how the new Russia was born. And yes, this is also Putin's fault. I think most of all, because before him there was no such thing, it was the other way around ... The entire main defense industry has long been state-owned, but there are still thousands of subcontractors, that's what they are talking about. But why do we need a garment factory that sews underwear for the army, but broke the contract due to a drop in sales of honey masks, because the virus was defeated?

[Overlock]

Quote: URAL72

Yukos, thanks to which Gazprom became state-owned again and Rosneft was created

How did this affect gasoline prices, and, accordingly, prices for everything in the country?

[URAL72]

Here you would like free gasoline, cheap vodka and cigarettes for others, but it is the excise tax on these goods that is the main component of the price. So the form of ownership has nothing to do with it. But the excise tax on these goods fills the budget, improves the environment (with free gasoline, you will not turn off the shutdown in winter), health, since drinking and smoking is expensive nowadays ...

[Overlock]

Quote: URAL72

Here's a free gasoline for you

In a country that has oil, gasoline for its own must still be at different prices.

[paul3390]

Gazprom became state-owned again

Not everything is so simple .. Rosimushchestvo (38,37%), OJSC Rosneftegaz (10,97%); Who are Rosneftegaz? And this is an office, such as 100% owned by .... Rosimushchestvo !!!

A strange design, isn't it? And Rosneft is only half ours ... And that half is again controlled by the type of Rosneftegaz ... The question involuntarily arises - are there any elements of corruption and embezzlement of state revenues? For Rosneftegaz is apparently not in a hurry to share its revenues with the state. For a year, they have been trying to shake out the profit from owning, as it were, state-owned stakes in companies, but every time it does not work out very well. Do not give, infection ..

So - there is no certainty that all this is state-owned companies and the income from them goes to the treasury. Quite the opposite.

[URAL72]

What kind of income are you talking about? Dividends? So it is the board of directors who decides where to send them. Maybe for the infrastructure of new fields and geological exploration, or maybe for payment to shareholders. We need to change directors. Do you have any tax claims?

[hydrox]

There are no questions about taxes: if they are poorly collected, then the State Tax Service must be ripped out, but there are questions to Putin with the income from export: if the subsoil belongs to the people, then the income from exports should ALL go to specialized budget funds and be spent on increasing the welfare of the working people. The forms in which this should be done should ALSO be determined by the people.

[Herman 4223]

The subsoil has not belonged to the people since 1993. According to our laws, they can be in any form of ownership.

[hydrox]

It is high time that your liber-thieves' laws were recognized as the result of the criminal activities of those who are now called oligarchs, who must be returned to Russia along with the funds and assets stolen from the people and all of them must be seen in the dock with the results of 20-40 years each and , of course, with confiscation. Then Putin will no longer have kindergarten thoughts on the "nationalization of the elite" and this elite will receive what they robbed the people for until the middle of the "XNUMXs."

[Herman 4223]

Well, these are not my Lieber laws. I am in favor of canceling them with both hands. And for the landing of the oligarchs, too.

[clerk]

.Rosimuschestvo (38,37%); OJSC Rosneftegaz (10,97%); Who are Rosneftegaz? And this is an office, such as 100% owned by .... Rosimushchestvo !!!

A strange design, isn't it? And Rosneft is only half ours ... And that half is again controlled by the type of Rosneftegaz ... The question involuntarily arises - are there any elements of corruption and embezzlement of state revenues? For Rosneftegaz is apparently not in a hurry to share its revenues with the state. For a year, they have been trying to shake out the profit from owning, as it were, state-owned stakes in companies, but every time it does not work out very well. Do not give, infection ..

Where does the information come from that Rosneftegaz refuses to transfer profits to the budget?

[paul3390]

And you do not be lazy and google yourself .. Messages are full. Well, for example, offhand ..

About a quarter of the amount of dividends that the state was supposed to receive in the summer of 2019, being the controlling shareholder of Gazprom and Rosneft, did not reach the federal budget. Of 209 billion rubles. payments on stakes in the largest oil and largest gas company in the country 51 billion will remain in the accounts of Rosneftegaz, a non-public company that has been accumulating state hydrocarbon revenues in its accounts for 13 years without reporting on what and how they are spent.

The fund hiding in the shadows, which owns a controlling stake in Rosneft (50% + 1 share), as well as 10,97% of Gazprom shares, received 103,16 billion rubles in June and August. in the form of dividends from these two companies. Gazprom paid shareholders RUB 393 billion, of which RUB 43,11 billion went to Rosneftegaz; Rosneft - 120,1 billion and 60,05 billion, respectively.

Rosneftegaz itself will transfer to the budget only half of the amount received - "approximately about 51,4 billion rubles", follows from the materials of the Accounts Chamber to the report on the execution of the federal budget. The exact amount has not yet been determined. “Work is underway to prepare directives for the payment of interim dividends based on the results of the first half of 2019,” states the joint venture.

From year to year, Rosneftegaz wedges itself into the flow of dividends, taking away the lion's share of them. Last year, the company received 148 billion rubles, but gave only 65 billion to the budget. At the beginning of the year, the total volume of this retained earnings reached 505 billion rubles. These are funds that Rosneftegaz received as the owner of state corporations, but did not bring it to the budget.

[clerk]

And you do not be lazy and google yourself .. Messages are full. ...

Thanks for the tip: The distribution of funds from Rosneftegaz's multi-billion dollar fund has been a matter of dispute between officials for many years. With varying success, they are fighting for the opportunity to raise Rosneftegaz's profits to the budget, while the company, in disputes over the amount of payments, has an argument in the form of various special programs that are financed from its funds. By presidential decree of 2012, Rosneftegaz was identified as one of the strategic investors in the fuel and energy complex, but it periodically directs money for other purposes as well.
The government’s inability to secure the transfer of all Rosneftegaz’s profits to the budget provoked doubts about the transparency of spending. But President Vladimir Putin, in response to a similar question, said that Rosneftegaz's money was completely under the control of the government.
"We finance some things from there when the government forgets that there are priorities that need to be paid attention to," Putin said in December 2016, referring, among other things, to the costs of creating aircraft and aircraft engines. “These are the things for which, in the end, after all the disputes and fights in the government, there is no money, but which need to be financed, we will spend the money of Rosneftegaz,” Putin noted.
Rosneftegaz is a member of the consortium implementing the project for the construction of the Zvezda shipyard in the Far East, and the company also acted as an investor in the construction of power plants in the Kaliningrad region.
Expenses for similar projects financed by Rosneftegaz are reported in the line "other payments", which in 2019 amounted to RUB 15,689 billion after RUB 34,356 billion in 2018. (WITH)

[paul3390]

But President Vladimir Putin, in response to a similar question, said that Rosneftegaz's money was completely under the control of the government.

Well - then, of course, all doubts disappear. Has this person deceived us at least once in 20 years?

[clerk]

.But President Vladimir Putin, answering a similar question, said that the money of Rosneftegaz is completely under the control of the government.

Well - then, of course, all doubts disappear. Has this person deceived us at least once in 20 years?

You will still laugh (s), but even after discussing the last two burning issues (raising the retirement age and about tens of millions of high-tech jobs), I did not formally deceive.

[Svarog]

Quote: Lesovik

In! Now the "hand will be filled" may even reach the oil industry.

They won't get into their pocket ..

[dSK]

Vladimir Putin instructed the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation to transfer a controlling stake in the Bashkir Soda Company under the control of the republic, as well as to conclude a special agreement with the regional government on investments in this structure.

[spirit]

Any privatization leads to monopolization and degradation! The same Gazprom and Rosneft with their crazy subsidized projects that will not pay off in life! From such projects in a normal competitive environment, private traders would have their hair on end!
It may be better to create conditions and competition (following the same example of Barretta, which conditionally collected a rifle in a barn, and now supplies nothing to the US Army) than complain about private military contractors who are head over heels in corruption and close ties with the military-industrial complex and corrupt generals! What prevents to create conditions for the emergence of many private companies and buy from the best in terms of price, quality, and reliability of supply? The answer is obvious in our reality!

[Overlock]

Quote: spirit

The same Gazprom

already unprofitable, and

Quote: spirit

Rosneft

want to "improve" at the expense of Lukoil

[Nastia makarova]

who said it was unprofitable falling stock prices cannot be considered losses

[New Year day]

Quote: spirit

Rosneft

Putin has poured government money into this office more than once. No sense

[hydrox]

Banks have also been poured into banks more than once - so what?
And everything is crammed into the pockets !!!

[Alexey from Perm]

How did you decide that everything will be done better in private hands? And then, create what the problem is, take a credit and start producing the world's best rifles, tanks, etc.))))

[hydrox]

Quote: Lesovik

Now the "hand will be filled" may even reach the oil industry.

Not only to oil, but also to metals, and to coal, and to timber, and to grain - all income from raw materials (and their exports!) Should belong to the people and be transferred to the budget.

[hagen]

Quote: Lesovik

In! Now the "hand will be filled" may even reach the oil industry.

The oil industry has long been with the state ... As well as the gas industry. Sechin and Miller are just managers of the country's oil and gas. In general, a brilliant idea. In 22-23, nationalizing some Norilsk Nickel or Alrosa is not the point in the names, and in 24 Putin will collect 120% of the votes in the elections without any pre-election battle with candidates for the post of Supreme.

[Well done]

Offer a candidate for the next term. (asked many - they are silent)

[Well done]

Tryndyat, tryndyat sofa experts. Guys, are you not from the Rada by any chance? Is it not piled up? And that is similar to the girls. Worthless!

[Alexey from Perm]

don't hope ...

[Well done]

Sad ...

[Flooding]

This idea has been in the air for more than one year.
The defense sphere is a very sensitive area of ​​state interests.
Took on tug - do not say that not a dozen.

[Galleon]

Quote: Flood

This idea has been in the air for more than one year.

Wow - it has been running for more than one year, and everything is in the air? Then why is a private person buying a controlling stake in the Kalashnikov concern from the state corporation Rostec? https://www.rbc.ru/business/06/11/2020/5fa4aaa39a7947bd0bf18419
Are you by any chance one of the political officers? And then you say everything is programmed, without taking into account the surrounding reality.

[Flooding]

Quote: Galleon

Are you by any chance one of the political officers?

I recognize the style
another lecturer at the Higher School of Economics?
shamelessness is not a vice, but very close

Quote: Galleon

Wow - it has been running for more than one year, and everything is in the air? Then why is a private person buying a controlling stake in the Kalashnikov concern from the state corporation Rostec?

did I write in the air of the Kremlin?
this thought has been visiting me for more than one year
I think I'm not the only one so smart

[hagen]

Quote: Galleon

Then why is a private person buying a controlling stake in the Kalashnikov concern from the state corporation Rostec?

And why does Rostec need all the shares if it still has a blocking stake? The maximum amount of money was squeezed out for an attractive asset. Isn't it clear? At the meeting with the trade union, there was no mention of the general nationalization of production. Now, if Alan Lushnikov manages the state defense order, then Soviet power will return in one separate enterprise.

[Galleon]

Thanks for the answer. There is something to think about.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Flood

Took on tug - do not say that not a dozen.

That's all right. "Effective managers" must be put in place.

[Pereira]

Floor. And not only from the defense industry.
And their place is far from Moscow.

[hydrox]

Plant, maintain ... do we need it?
We need a completely different operation: return the stolen assets, conduct an audit, calculate the margin for all years of privatization and return these funds (and interest on them!) To the budget from offshore accounts - and let the owner live in LandOny!

[fruc]

Well, the idea is good. And not only in the defense sphere.

[kepmor]

yeah ... still, from the "trough" of housing and communal services to drive away "orphans" ... but where is it ... all their own at feeding ...

[Overlock]

Quote: frruc

The idea is good. And not only in the defense sphere.

Maybe some practice at vodka production for a start?

[apro]

And what will this change? Make any enterprise in the Russian Federation unprofitable like two fingers on the asphalt, as they say, privatization of income and nationalization of losses.

[svp67]

As it is now, I do not understand. All the main enterprises of the defense sector, although they are various LLCs, the State should have a controlling stake there. That is, the State will nationalize them on its own?

[The popuas]

How will Sberbank be redeemed ...

[Pereira]

The new tax will be introduced. For redemption.

[Mikhail3]

Class. The state transfers money for ALREADY completed work, and with a gap of a year, or even more. Indeed, in such conditions, private ownership during normal operation is simply impossible. The amount of the contract was determined three to five years ago, it is not subject to revision ... crazy, not work. There can be no market in the defense sphere at all, this is simply illogical. Our government does not know how to really manage the economy, and it brilliantly proves it every day. So the decision seems to be correct.
However, there is also no socialism, when the defense industry was pulled out by all its workers as one, caring for the country. And its present most honest rulers will not be able to revive it "at a separate plant." In general, these enterprises will turn into that black hole. There is complete managerial helplessness, collapse and failure of management without a chance ...

[Alien From]

It's like combining Su and Mig, Ka and Mi ... then not really an idea.

[Mikhail3]

Not. It's like saying - I told you that socialism is ineffective and capitalism is effective. So, I got ridiculous in full growth, and I cannot organize the management of the military-industrial complex through capitalism. I called you all in order to rob myself more while the military-industrial complex is dying. Therefore, I will try to organize pseudo-socialism for the military-industrial complex. In fact, this means that enterprises will generally get up from grandiose theft, which will be instead of pseudo-socialism. Socialism cannot be made for fun, so it will not be a mixture of a bulldog and a rhino, but just another robbery. And it's embarrassing and painful ...

[Victor Tsenin]

Well, the theft is grandiose right now, just recently I talked with an employee of the Saratov aggregate plant, just horror, no words. In this case, nationalization will improve the situation.

[kepmor]

hardly ... without cleaning up the political bombs with the inner circle "not into the horse feed" ... corruption in state holdings is a vivid example ...

[Victor Tsenin]

Corruption, I agree, is monstrous, but about the above plant, there, thanks to the iodine-deficient director, everything is on fire. I absolutely agree about the cleanup.

[Mikhail3]

Will not improve) You cannot be pregnant. Firstly, it is impossible to apply socialism locally) Secondly, in order to manage an economic entity, you need to be ABLE. The psychotype of an official is unsuitable for managing absolutely nothing that really works, do you understand? People who can build, create, our "power pyramid", in principle, rejects completely.
This was laid down at the beginning of perestroika. Then there was a choice - to work or to steal. And our owners made a choice - to steal. The Chinese decided to work ... Nowadays, any kind of effective management of anything for our ruling elite is absolutely impossible, in principle. They are simply not such people.
Observing the current situation is both scary and, out of desperation, funny. Step by step, task by task, industry by industry, our authorities are trying to take advantage of what they have "built" over 30 years. And all this, consistently and inevitably, turns out to be simple devices for pumping out resource rent. None of this works. It can't. Not for that and not so created.
To create the appearance of "success", every window dressing is hastily bought in China and other Malaysia, after which the owners quickly start to run away, because you can buy "success" a couple of times, then the stolen goods will end. We are about to pick up a fight with the United States and its allies. At a time when our elite categorically fucked up ALL PRODUCTION. Horror ...

[lucul]

There is complete managerial helplessness, collapse and failure of management without a chance ...

Yes, yes, yes, yes - Russia under Putin is dying especially hard (tm)
))))

[forty-eighth]

Today, a general agreement was signed between employers, trade unions and the government of the Russian Federation for a period until 2023.

I would like more details. All employers in general, with all existing trade unions? Or is it some more modest agreement?
Secondly, but most importantly:

with full transfer of funds from state customers to the accounts of these enterprises, the state defense order is implemented with failures

Incomprehensible situation. No matter how much I participated in deliveries under 44-FZ and 275-FZ (GOZ), I have never seen advance payment forms in any form. You do the work or deliver the goods, the customer accepts this with all the closing documents and only after that, within 30 days, the money goes to the account of the contractor. I would like to know which lucky people the state pays in advance and even in full?

[Mikhail3]

None, of course. These people (not businesses) are not lucky. They are proud heroes from the government, owning factories, newspapers and steamers. And they pay THEM. And money reaches factories when ... In general, you can understand the trade unions. They hope that salaries will be paid regularly if the factories are owned directly by the state. Hehe ...

[Dym71]

Quote: forty-eighth

Incomprehensible situation. No matter how much I participated in deliveries under 44-FZ and 275-FZ (GOZ), I have never seen advance payment forms in any form.

44-FZ Article 93. Procurement from a single supplier (contractor, performer) - it's hard there without an advance payment.

[Holuay T.O]

Take the aircraft plant in Samara! His products won the war, but he is in a miserable state!

[Doccor18]

in such a situation, as the Kremlin press service notes, an idea was expressed about the possible nationalization of enterprises ...

Really ?!
There is a ghostly chance that in another thirty years the oil industry will be nationalized ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Doccor18

There is a ghostly chance that in another thirty years the oil industry will be nationalized ...

Quite ghostly ... although when there is no oil, it may be in 30 years and will be nationalized ..

[Evil 55]

Yes, because a huge number of such enterprises already have a residence permit in offshores and a board of directors of American-British employees ... That's all the parsley without the crown ...

[APASUS]

Interesting topic. What about debt? The guys at one time got the industry in their hands for nothing, made debts, but should we pay?

[Overlock]

Quote: APASUS

.And what about debts?

According to current practice, debts are covered by a government subsidy, i.e. our taxes

[Graz]

what exactly will change when they are nationalized?
will buy new equipment?
will they invite hundreds and thousands of young talented specialists?
increase salaries for workers and engineers (not management)
Will the leadership change in this case?

if only the signboard of the meaning in all these twitching changes not one iota

[lucul]

what exactly will change when they are nationalized?
will buy new equipment?
will they invite hundreds and thousands of young talented specialists?
increase salaries for workers and engineers (not management)
Will the leadership change in this case?

if only the signboard of the meaning in all these twitching changes not one iota

Earlier (90s), it was believed that we will buy everything we need in the West (it is impossible to be number 1 in all positions), we will only leave for ourselves the production of key positions for the country.
Then, when the sanctions were imposed, for some (like LADIES) it suddenly turned out that it was simply impossible to buy EVERYTHING in the West. And now it is necessary to restore YOURS.
What is being done about now is to restore the full production cycle, first of the key enterprises / technologies, and then (if God willing) the rest.

[xorek]

Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises

And not only . It's a bit late, of course, but at least we will be able to keep something in secrecy and the national military-industrial complex .. And it's terrible what's going on. It would be time to restore SMERSH in the country! Spy on spy and spy urges ..
Stole, sold and to London, the stream goes straight Ugh damn damn
.Well now the howl will start all over the world again.
Violation of human rights, etc. ..

[Fitter65]

Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises that do not fulfill state defense orders

It would be nice for the oil companies, which are unable to reduce prices on the domestic market.

[Novichek]

Gasoline will still not fall in price, if you hint at it ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Novichek)

Gasoline will still not fall in price, if you hint at it ...

And then hint, do not hint ...

[Pavel57]

It is necessary to apply nationalization more widely to violating enterprises ... and further down the list.

[Eldorado]

The communists started another delirium.

[Witness 45]

Are you afraid to lose your interest and "gain"?

[tralflot1832]

Maybe there will be fewer statements that the terms are shifted to "right".

[Dmitry Potapov]

Maybe shoot first? They grab money, they don't fulfill the order!

[Prisoner]

With a start. God forbid, not the last industry. Defense, fuel and energy complex, metallurgy, etc. We are waiting for

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Captive

With a start. God forbid, not the last industry. Defense, fuel and energy complex, metallurgy, etc. We are waiting for

And for the restoration of enterprises, it would be nice to nationalize the property of those who brought them to such a state.

[rruvim]

And how is he going to do it? To each owner a lemon in a basket of sausage, like Ulyukaev?

[Peaceful SEO]

In a good way, the entire defense industry should be nationalized without any conditions

[what's up]

One condition is that 30-year-old generals do not rule this process !!!

[cniza]

Moreover, interestingly, such a proposal was made by the main FNPR (Federation of Independent Trade Unions of the Russian Federation) Mikhail Shmakov.

Lord, this is truly a permanent leader ...

[rruvim]

Tereshkova is not enough! For a full clip. Although it is necessary to nationalize! Only nationalization will pass from some Rotenbergs to other Rotenbergs.

[cniza]

Everything must be done wisely and not turned into a company ...

[rruvim]

Everything is done wisely, that's why it turns into companionship.

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

Moreover, interestingly, such a proposal was made by the main FNPR (Federation of Independent Trade Unions of the Russian Federation) Mikhail Shmakov.

Lord, this is truly a permanent leader ...

Vitya, he already has dementia.

Here are some of his "aphorisms"

On the rights of prostitutes
Once we proposed ... to create a union of prostitutes. Someone must defend their rights: the right to work, to rest, and so on.

About alternative pay
I would not want employees of defense enterprises to be paid instead of money with products produced at their factories.

Influence on deputies
We are deploying brains to all deputies so that they vote correctly.

About cats
I can say that when the cat has nothing to do, it scratches a certain place.

About wolves and fangs
Now at the helm of the enterprises are not "red" directors, who learned that the rights of workers must be respected, but capitalist wolves with regrown tusks ... The workers must also be given tusks.

About daily bread
Let a loaf of bread cost a million - we are not interested in the price. The main thing is that a person can earn this bread in a matter of seconds.

About the property of the FNPR
The untold wealth of trade unions is just stories.

[cniza]

But nevertheless it keeps afloat or keeps ...

[Nick Casey]

Disruptions to ordering are often due to effective managers, who are put by a hairy hand from Moscow. If before the director there were people who worked at the plant for many years, often starting from the lowest positions. And they knew the production from A to Z. Now they come from nowhere and set their own rules. As a result, the output drops sharply and the order is not fulfilled.
For example, earlier, since Soviet times, workers at many factories received a salary from a deal. That is, how many parts he turned or milled and got money. Nowadays, the salary is everywhere, and there it is generally not clear from what the bonus is charged. Naturally, such a situation deprives people of the desire to work.
This is not to mention the personal literacy of managers.

[petrol cutter]

Let me kiss you!
As for the bonus, yes, this is my direct salary earned on orders.
The first part is the tariff. The fact that I get paid for the category and the number of hours worked with this category. Plus Saturdays, overtime, etc.
And the rest of the earned money, from something it is convenient to call now a kind of bonus!
Which can be given / not given ... Very convenient in fact.

[Nick Casey]

,, Which can be given / not given .. ,,

When the salary does not directly depend on the output, but depends on the wishes of the employer, it really hits the hands of the worker. When a working month works like a horse and gets a penny, and another month rounds a pear and gets normal money, then any person gets disoriented and stops working normally. And then what kind of implementation of the defense order can we even talk about ?!

[petrol cutter]

Well, on our particular NW, I don't remember hanging around pears, tk. the plan has been "burning" continuously for the last five years that I have been working.
The fact is that the plant has already changed owners several times and passed from hand to hand.
What have I noticed?
Offices - normally paying direct participants on the avenue. That is, to the workers, they were mercilessly thrown overboard.
FSUE was again mercilessly transferred to the AO.
And we got a full cover.
True, they gave me a salary today. After a week of "strike". Read - strikes.
Next month, I will most likely see a similar picture.

[Nick Casey]

The "hanging out" of pears does not always depend on the plan. It could be elementary not to deliver the blanks on time. Or deliver, but instead of stamping, the package or the material does not correspond to the required quality at all, etc. There can be a lot of reasons.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Nick Casey

For example, earlier, since Soviet times, workers at many factories received a salary from a deal. That is, how many parts he turned or milled and got money. Nowadays, the salary is everywhere, and there it is generally not clear from what the bonus is charged. Naturally, such a situation deprives people of the desire to work.
.

And the repairmen, engineers ...
There are many workers at the plant who do not work "on a deal."
About "piecework wages" - it all depends on TARIFF... There will be a "penny tariff" - there will not be many people willing to work "for a penny" on the deal ...
Again, a lot depends on the "size of the plan" - a small plan - a small piecework salary.
Father told -
Engineers in the "office" (accountants, rationers ...) were recorded as milling cutters, turners and at least 5th grade - received a salary according to the tariff, and real turners and milling cutters worked on the deal, and the grade was about 4th. To talk about increasing the discharge - the answer is: "There is no standard unit with such a discharge ..."
This story is already about the times of capitalism.

[Nick Casey]

I took an example from an existing aviation enterprise. And as soon as the salary bonus system of wages was introduced, then all production at once sank heavily. And for many years they have not been able to bring the implementation of the plan to the previous level.

[Ross xnumx]

Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises that do not fulfill state defense orders

Then the time has come to nationalize not only defense enterprises, but also energy and natural resources ... Who is this Polyus Gold (the largest gold producer in Russia)? What does he make it from? Where is the guarantee that strategic raw materials do not go "to the left"?
Bloodsuckers were sucked on to Mother Russia. It's time to cauterize both teeth and blood-sucking proboscis and lousy little heads for everyone who, apart from their own self-interest, sees nothing in life.

[paul3390]

Then the time has come to nationalize not only defense enterprises, but also energy and natural resources.

For a start, the state needs to be nationalized ... And it’s too painful for us to have it privatized .. By all sorts of dirty tricks close to the beloved guarantor ..

[Sergej1972]

I would transfer part of the shares to labor collectives and (or) trade unions. Not a controlling stake, of course, but 10-15 percent. In Germany, this practice is very common.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Sergej1972

I would transfer part of the shares to labor collectives and (or) trade unions. Not a controlling stake, of course, but 10-15 percent. In Germany, this practice is very common.

The shares that you transfer to the "workers" will then be bought by "someone" ...
Remember the stories of how cars appeared in front of the checkpoints of factories with announcements of the purchase of shares ... and the workers sold shares, and what else should the workers do with the "shares" ... office ", the letters contained reports on the meetings of the" shareholders "who made decisions on "no dividend payment... Yes, there were voting ballots, but they were not filled out and sent ...

[Herman 4223]

Nationalization is not necessarily state owned. This means that the owner will be in national jurisdiction, and not in avshora. The author did not add it, he decided to add it.

[Tests]

Interestingly the girls are dancing! And two months have not passed since the Zvezdochka CA lost to the FAS arbitration courts and now it is on the lists of unscrupulous suppliers, they can only be excluded from this list on July 23, 2022. At the same time, "Zvezdochka" from the RF Ministry of Defense sues multimillion sums in the same arbitration courts. Now "Zvezdochka" will be taken from the USC RF? One or all branches? When Zvezdochka's branches in Lazarevskoye, Temryuk, Arkhangelsk, Kolskoye were hung on the neck, no one asked Zvyozdochka's directorate. At this time, the deputy of the Arkhangelsk Regional Assembly of Deputies Sasha Dyatlov, who miraculously escaped charges of extortion and robbery (in the Russian Federation, loot always wins the good, but in the pre-trial detention center of the Krasnodar Territory Sasha sunbathed), together with his dad, he effectively drove the Krasnaya Kuznitsa shipyard in Arkhangelsk, on it could shoot Stalingrad. What could not be removed from the plant - they did it as another branch of Zvezdochka. Sasha, however, began to build the Alexander shopping center in Arkhangelsk ... Will the diamond cutting shop be left at the USC? Will Zvezdochka transfer the water supply and sewerage system of the Yagry Island in Severodvinsk to a new FSUE or a state-owned enterprise of the Russian Federation? Who will give the new production of propulsion systems? Will we present unique machines for the production of propellers, together with workers and engineers, to India or China? Is there anyone ready to pick up the complex for the processing of solid and liquid radioactive waste? "Losharik" in the queue for unloading how much rotting on the water: 14 or 15 months? And how long will the Kirov rot?

[Witness 45]

Well, finally, in the twentieth year of government, it began to understand what private capital is, profit by any means in the first place and nothing else, and the national interests of the country in twenty-fifth.

[parusnik]

The private trader did not pull the military enterprise, he turned to the trade union bosses, they say, put in a word, let them nationalize. And all hurray, we take the loot. And now consider, firstly, nationalization is not free of charge, the owner is entitled to compensation, and secondly, how much money will it take to make the enterprise profitable again. Well, one more plus for the GDP and EP before the Duma elections, see how oligarchs are tidied up.

[Reserve buildbat]

The private trader did not pull, he was caught stealing - he must reimburse the amounts received. With interest. And the enterprise is withdrawn without compensation. For it is not easy to unpack the thieves. That would be fair.

[parusnik]

You are so naive .. Do you think so? A good tsar, will he punish the bad boyars? One capitalist will take property from another? And he will let his brother go naked on the Canary Islands? If it were as you write, they would not be in a hurry to privatize. Faith in a good tsar is not exterminated.

[Reserve buildbat]

Have you tried to read carefully? I wrote: That would be fair. And you just have to squeeze a comment.

[Virus-free crown]

Until at "non-nationalized" enterprises - as at "nationalized" ones - they start paying real money for real labor to workers - nothing sensible will come of it !!! The director of the enterprise SHOULD receive no more than 10 times than the skilled worker / employee / engineer !!! And while the cadres are begging, there will be no sense (((

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Corona without virus

The director of the enterprise SHOULD receive no more than 10 times than the skilled worker / employee / engineer !!! And while the cadres are begging, there will be no sense (((

Our director received only two to three times more than a young locksmith apprentice for a part-time job, and twice as much as a regular locksmith. Wow, how we clung to jobs. The people cried if someone was fired. As the turner was kicked out for drunkenness, so his wife put everyone on the ears. Even the prosecutor called the director and asked for him. And the judge, too, and the chief of the tax office. The director whinnied when he told us at the meeting. Our salary was the largest in the city; I personally received five times more money than my cashier mother in the 90s. She worked at another enterprise. So everything depends on the leadership. And we really tried. Our director himself did not grab and did not give to others. At a time when other directors of foreign cars were buying with might and main and building mansions for themselves, he rode in an UAZ car and lived in an ordinary apartment. I worked with his nephew and was friends, in the course. And we are fools, we were also unhappy that he was getting twice as much. He built such apartments for us that everyone was jealous. We (the locksmith father) were given 80 squares for a family of four. Improved layout. Then Dad put me there too. Eh, we did not understand our happiness, we believed that it should be so. What country have you pumped! Figs now which of the hard workers will work for such a hut.

[Reserve buildbat]

Just a little bit, but in the right direction. Although, in general, the entire defense industry and "natural monopolies" should be 100% state-owned. And oil, and gas, and railway, and the defense industry, and all the extraction of minerals and raw materials.

[Gennady Fomkin]

I would generally nationalize all the delicious objects that are now owned by foreigners. 

[parusnik]

Pepsi and Koku, with McDolnads, shchestochki and stuff

[123456789]

Bonitas in suos, justitia in omnes

That is: "Kindness to one's own, justice to others"

[BecmepH]

Quote: Lesovik

Quote: Civil

Get even ephemeral.

I have not heard of this. In any case, no one will nationalize one-day, and the restored "plundered" enterprises will provide jobs for people.
And then many people say that there is nowhere to work, but it seems that this decision again does not suit someone ...

And before that there were no jobs ...

[polk26l]

State defense enterprises cannot be private, but must be only state-owned, provided with all modern technologies and equipment! At the same time, they must be protected from the penetration of foreign intelligence services and terrorism! The employees of the enterprise must be selected and strictly checked! It is necessary to apply the experience of the USSR! And the better it is applied, the less chances the enemies of Russia will have!

[seregatara1969]

The headline is so-so, we have half the country performing nothing

[Antidote]

Oh, the legalized way to take away and redistribute. How effectively all sorts of municipal unitary enterprises, state banks and other magnets cope with their work is perfectly visible. But patriotic notes can be offended, all additional voices in the fall.

[123456789]

Have you tried the Ipatiev method?

[petrol cutter]

Apparently God still exists!
And he heard us.
True, this is again to change the name of the plant. But we will tolerate such inconvenience.

[16112014nk]

Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalization ...
Again promises, but no deeds. And if there is something, then as Viktor Stepanovich said: "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."

[Ryaruav]

now by September the chatter will begin yes we yes we

[Lister]

Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises that do not fulfill state defense orders

It is necessary to nationalize the entire defense industry, and not only those who do not fulfill the state defense order.

[Simargl]

Then the enterprises of this state defense order will stay away ... no?

[Nitarius]

It's high time .. until they ditched at the root of something else capable of the enterprise of the military-industrial complex!

[FRoman1984]

It is better not to take on state defense orders anymore, now they can legally squeeze out the enterprise, any delay can be brought under the failure of the schedule, including through the fault of the suppliers.

[fa2998]

Quote: Nyrobsky

threaten with the nationalization of enterprises.

To applause, enterprises are being privatized, billions of rubles will be poured in. taxpayers for modernization, then when the wave subsides, they will privatize again (after all, privatization is underway now, every year they hold the results of last year). They will put the "right" owner, from their own friends.

[Bshkaus]

The most disgusting thing is that a week ago, all the same people who now stand for "FOR", spread rot for the same in relation to "Motor Sich". You have to decide chtoli, otherwise double standards are obtained. But that’s not the problem. Our market economy is already crumbling: prices for sugar and vegetable oil are frozen. And then what, everything is going according to plan again? For some reason, such nonsense is introduced only by those countries that have a complete crush in the economy: Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc. In the beginning, there will be defense enterprises, and then the panties for tallons. Be the first to shake. A couple of weeks ago, the VPK newspaper devoted almost the entire issue to the inefficiency of damned capitalism and the joy of a planned economy.

[Kapany3]

Quote: Civil

Quote: Lesovik

Plundered enterprises do not receive government orders.

Get even ephemeral.

Do you have any facts? Or, as usual, 'if only it is louder'

[spectr]

Let's see why this is done. From my own experience, I can say that, if necessary, a military acceptance can fail any contract and ensure that the state defense order of the required enterprise is not fulfilled.
We need clear criteria under which the launch of the nationalization mechanism is allowed.

[petrol cutter]

[quote=Nick Casey],,poaching pears,,does not always depend on the plan. They simply could not have delivered the supplies on time. Or import, but instead of stamping, the packaging or the material in general does not meet the required quality, etc. There could be a lot of reasons.
This is exactly what happens with strange regularity.
And questions begin to arise for people involved in purchasing and supplying the enterprise.
They are paid a salary precisely to prevent this from happening. In theory.
And this is not the first year that this has happened. People don’t understand what/don’t understand where they buy it. And then it turns out that you bought this useless garbage.
And they have nothing for it.
And the director tells us that you, gentlemen, hard workers, are doing a bad job. You don’t give out a five-year plan in three years. That's why this is the situation.

[babylon]

It is high time to nationalize all strategic enterprises and not just the defense industry.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

I am not a supporter of wholesale nationalization of enterprises. As Soviet practice (and other “socialist” countries) has shown, the eradication of private and cooperative property only leads to shortages, squalor and dullness of assortment and low labor productivity. However, there are areas where enterprises should be exclusively state-owned. First of all, this is the defense sector. Here the customer is the military department, which at the same time controls the quality of the product, as well as the deadline. I would also place the electric power industry and railway transport under the exclusive jurisdiction of the state. But it’s better for the state not to get involved in light industry and trade.

[Revival]

That is, the nationalization of Losses!? Tricky..
Bring it to a heap of debt, supposedly nationalize it and generously pay it off with our money, yeah...
What about the next move?
shouldn't we privatize again, and in a circle