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"Gasoline prices are more difficult to regulate than sugar": on the rise in the cost of fuel in the domestic market

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When Russian President Vladimir Putin was outraged by the rise in prices for sunflower oil and sugar, the government immediately rushed frantically to fulfill the instructions of the head of state. Recently, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin approved agreements to stabilize sugar prices until June 1, 2021 and sunflower oil prices until October 1, 2021. According to the documents, a liter of sunflower oil in retail should not exceed the price of 110 rubles, and a kilogram of sugar in retail should not exceed 46 rubles.


It is clear that sunflower oil and sugar are products of mass consumption, but prices for gasoline and diesel fuel are no less important for the average consumer and for the economy as a whole. But they, in contrast to the prices of sugar and sunflower oil, are growing, although the government, as it says, is taking certain actions to contain it. The point is that the rise in oil prices on a global scale makes exports more attractive for oil companies. True, it is the same with the same sugar and butter.

To make it profitable for them to work in the domestic market, gasoline prices must also be brought up to export prices, but this is impossible for a number of reasons and considerations. First of all, the sharp rise in prices for gasoline and diesel fuel will cause inflation for all other goods and services.

The Russian Ministry of Energy has developed a number of measures to stabilize fuel prices. These include ensuring an increase in the workload of oil refineries, an increase in fuel reserves, an increase from March 2021 in the standards for the sale of gasoline, diesel fuel and liquefied petroleum gas. At the same time, as noted in the Ministry of Energy, oil companies fulfill their obligations in good faith, there are no special problems with the implementation of measures to stabilize gasoline prices.

It is also worth noting that the damper mechanism plays a key role in keeping gasoline prices down. As you know, when oil prices are high, the damper is paid by the state to companies, and when oil prices are low, as it is now, the opposite process takes place - companies pay the state. Thanks to it, fuel prices are still growing below the general inflation rate: by 2,2-2,5%, while inflation is 4,9% in 2020. However, in the very near future, already from May 2021, the damper mechanism will change, which is openly discussed in the government. At the same time, drivers often shrug their shoulders when, from high stands, responsible officials declare a 2,5 percent increase in gasoline prices per year.

Now the State Duma is considering a draft law on amending the Federal Law "On the Basics of State Regulation of Trade Activities in the Russian Federation," says lawyer Timur Hardy. - If the legislator accepts this draft, then a certain upper limit for the allowable markup for gasoline and diesel fuel will be set. Then the cost of fuel will not be able to rise by an amount higher than the projected inflation rate. But much will also depend on what the updated damper mechanism will be and how the government and oil companies will interact further. After all, we are also talking about compensation for colossal funds to oil companies.

The government will try to restrain the rise in gasoline prices by increasing the volume of gasoline sales on the exchange. Indeed, now, as experts note, the prices for gasoline on the exchange are very high, and if gasoline is purchased at such prices, then there is virtually no benefit from selling it at gas stations.

Thus, the issue of regulating prices for gasoline and other types of fuel is much more complicated and requires much greater joint efforts of the state and business than in the case of prices for a number of food products. At least, this is how officials and representatives of the big oil business explain everything. Gasoline prices are harder to regulate than sugar prices ...

In general, now Russia continues to unravel the consequences of the global "pandemic" crisis and the collapse in oil prices parallel to it, and the rise in the cost of gasoline is only one of the sad links in the overall chain of economic problems. The Russian government is looking for a way out of this situation, but will an updated damper become it?
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  1. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 31 March 2021 14: 26
    +24
    No damper will be any way out, as long as there is no state regulation of the crazy extra charges of speculators, and also there are no preferential loans from the state to domestic business. When the state actually washes its hands of regulation, wild capitalism begins, to some extent it has survived in the Russian Federation to this day.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 31 March 2021 14: 37
      +2
      It's not about margins. The main component of gasoline prices is a considerable excise tax, that is, a tax in favor of the state. But in Europe, the same Russian gasoline is much more expensive than in Russia. So think about where it is more profitable for them to sell fuel, to Russia or to Germany.
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 31 March 2021 14: 52
        +14
        Quote: VORON538
        So think about where it is more profitable for them to sell fuel, to Russia or Germany.

        If the state itself was interested in making a profit from the difference between domestic and export prices, then why not increase customs duties on the export of fuels and lubricants. Which could then be sent to the refinery in the form of cost compensation.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 31 March 2021 15: 03
          +11
          According to the documents, a liter of sunflower oil in retail should not exceed the price of 110 rubles, and a kilogram of sugar in retail should not exceed 46 rubles.

          What the hell to carry? Sunflower oil, rehydrated with palm oil costs less than 110 rubles per liter, and "Sloboda" - 112 rubles. But sugar - 1 kg / 74 rubles ... Shop "Maria RA". There is a desire - I can attach a photo with prices tomorrow ...
          If diesel fuel jumped in price like sugar (up to 92 rubles per liter), then the drivers would put anything and everything on the kukan.
          1. Civil
            Civil 31 March 2021 15: 14
            +18
            The dead (fallen) ruble stimulates the export of everything and everything from Russia, which provokes a shortage of goods, and there can be no shortage in the market, which means that prices are equalizing with global prices ... and then the dollar has fallen again.
            The circle is complete. And for a very long time.
            1. NIKN
              NIKN 31 March 2021 17: 45
              +17
              Quote: Civil
              The circle is complete. And for a very long time.

              Provided that the entire top keeps their "savings" in foreign currency, the most profitable increase in their capital is the fall of the ruble. Do n and what not to do except to drop the ruble. I can't even think of what could have happened without the fall of the ruble? It falls in any case, even when Biden slips on the ladder ... But what about prices in the Russian Federation, what's the difference, let's say that inflation has eaten, just to say who is supporting this inflation in our country. recourse
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 31 March 2021 18: 37
            +2
            Quote: ROSS 42
            According to the documents, a liter of sunflower oil in retail should not exceed the price of 110 rubles, and a kilogram of sugar in retail should not exceed 46 rubles.

            What the hell to carry? Sunflower oil, rehydrated with palm oil costs less than 110 rubles per liter, and "Sloboda" - 112 rubles. But sugar - 1 kg / 74 rubles ... Shop "Maria RA". There is a desire - I can attach a photo with prices tomorrow ...
            If diesel fuel jumped in price like sugar (up to 92 rubles per liter), then the drivers would put anything and everything on the kukan.

            Now the purchase prices are much higher than those announced by the celestials. Butter was last bought for 105 rubles, and sugar for 46 rubles. (900 gr.). These are wholesale prices in Moscow. That is, you will have to trade at zero and pay more tax.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 31 March 2021 19: 52
          +3
          Quote: WIKI
          why not increase customs duties on the export of fuels and lubricants

          So they do the opposite. Have you heard about the tax maneuver? In general, customs duties will be gradually eliminated, they will completely disappear by the 25th year, and the price of gasoline will equal the world prices, because it will not matter where it is sold, here, or in Germany. Well, in general, under the terms of joining the WTO, our country has promised to equalize energy prices with world prices. But after all, Putin has already stated that we were deceived with the WTO.
          1. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx April 1 2021 07: 28
            +1
            and the price of gasoline will be equal to the world prices, because it will not matter where to sell it

            And we will take world prices for Germany, USA, Venezuela, Turkmenistan or Iran ???
            We have already overtaken the states in terms of gasoline prices !!!!
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 31 March 2021 14: 59
        +18
        Quote: VORON538
        It's not about margins. The main component of gasoline prices is a considerable excise tax, that is, a tax in favor of the state.

        And what happens with taxes ... where do they go? Every year their collection rate is higher, and people's lives are worse ... but billionaires are multiplying ..
        But in Europe, the same Russian gasoline is much more expensive than in Russia. So think about where it is more profitable for them to sell fuel, to Russia or to Germany.

        If we talk from the point of view of benefits .. and only .. then they do not need the population at all in such a quantity .. enough service personnel .. and the state does not need the population, because it does not perform the functions of protection.
        1. Civil
          Civil 31 March 2021 15: 19
          +12
          Quote: Svarog
          What happens next with taxes ... where do they go? Every year their collection rate is higher,

          The unfortunate population (second oil) is skinned and squeezed like alcohol from a dead cat drunks. Moreover, the Federal Tax Service is proud of the growth in tax collection from the impoverished population ... some kind of shame. There is no minimum at all from which income is not taxed ... even from a disabled person, even from a millionaire.
      3. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 31 March 2021 15: 09
        +8
        I already thought about this, however, since business rents subsoil from the state, therefore, it is quite possible to force to change priorities (the threat of license revocation and many other opportunities). Frankly speaking, the bourgeoisie has made enough money since the 90s, the margin can be reduced in favor of lower prices for the citizens of the Russian Federation, the poor business will not become impoverished.
        And in Europe, you see, the solvency is somewhat different and the margin.
        1. Revival
          Revival 31 March 2021 15: 38
          +3
          From which state does the business rent subsoil?
          1. Victor Tsenin
            Victor Tsenin 31 March 2021 15: 51
            +3
            Our state, if you are from another country.
            1. Revival
              Revival 31 March 2021 16: 06
              +2
              It's clear about the country, the country is available
              1. Victor Tsenin
                Victor Tsenin 31 March 2021 16: 24
                +2
                Do you philosophize or discuss?)
                1. Revival
                  Revival 31 March 2021 20: 48
                  +3
                  It might have seemed like something to discuss, but ...
                  At least 2 nuances:
                  1) it is especially meaningless to discuss.
                  2) to discuss is fraught.
                  1. Victor Tsenin
                    Victor Tsenin 31 March 2021 21: 00
                    +3
                    1) Why is it senseless if there is a desire, arguments and facts? 2) In general, it is not fraught with what this resource impresses, so an abundance of intelligence and opinions.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 31 March 2021 23: 49
                      +1
                      Unfortunately, it is precisely on the voiced arguments and facts that any "jackal" from other "resources" is very greedy.

                      Therefore, I will refrain
      4. Fitter65
        Fitter65 31 March 2021 15: 10
        +14
        Quote: VORON538
        But in Europe, the same Russian gasoline is much more expensive than in Russia. So think about where it is more profitable for them to sell fuel, to Russia or to Germany.

        Just take into account that in Europe the incomes of the population are higher than in Russia, and even if we look at the ratio of the price of oil abroad and the domestic price of fuel in the same UAE or Saudi Arabia, there the price of fuel for the domestic market is for some reason consistently low and why? Maybe that's why
        ... I want to live widely and beautifully, like all these thirty years, and the food base is melting before our eyes, what to do?
        Yes, because we have "black gold", this very people, so we will squeeze everything dry from them.
      5. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 31 March 2021 15: 24
        +7
        And what is the salary of an ordinary burgher in Germany in comparison with the average salary in Russia?
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 31 March 2021 16: 02
          +8
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And what is the salary of an ordinary burgher in Germany in comparison with the average salary in Russia?
          Well this is for 2020.
          Accordingly, if the average gross salary we calculated for the year in Germany is 45252 euros, then the average net salary is 28961,28 euros per year. A month - 2413,44 euros. Unlike the Federal Statistical Office, the German State Pension Fund provides other statistics. 14 g.

          As we can see, there is less in Germany, because we have an average salary
          In the first half of 2020, the average salary in Russia increased and amounted to 49 623 ruble.
          ... https: //bankiros.ru ›wiki› term ›srednaa-zarabotnaa-plata
          And ours is not in theirs wrappers Euro, but full-fledged, not even wooden, rubles ... The rate of the Euro to the ruble is aware of what ... laughing good
          1. Revival
            Revival April 1 2021 00: 54
            +4
            Yes! 2413,44 this is not 49623
    2. ALARI
      ALARI 31 March 2021 15: 26
      +8
      The state not only washes its hands, but also throws up firewood in the form of an increase in excise taxes on fuel.
      - In Russia, from January 1, 2021, there will be a planned indexation of excise taxes on gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oils - they will be increased by 4%, the TASS agency reports, citing novelties in the legislation.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 31 March 2021 16: 06
        +6
        Quote: ALARI
        In Russia, from January 1, 2021, there will be a planned indexation of excise taxes on gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oils - they will be increased by 4%, as reported by the TASS agency with reference to the novelties in the legislation.
        Thank God, otherwise, God forbid, I was afraid that prices for 4 kopecks would collapse ... laughing
        1. ALARI
          ALARI 31 March 2021 16: 11
          +4
          Not the last promotion, thank God fellow
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 31 March 2021 16: 12
            +6
            Quote: ALARI
            Not the last promotion, thank God fellow

            Yes Yes. but these people just want our Abramovichs to remain without new yachts ... laughing drinks good
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 31 March 2021 16: 21
      +10
      Quote: Victor Tsenin
      ... wild capitalism begins, to some extent it has survived in the Russian Federation to this day.

      It does not "begin", but has already grown and strengthened. Further it will be even more "fun" ... In small shops (which have not yet "eaten") sugar is sold at different prices: from 42 to 45 rubles. But in the stores of the largest chain for 45.90. The law is fulfilled, well done! Said, no more than 46 rubles, no sooner said than done. And this is with such global trade ...
      Wild, almost omnipotent capitalism strides across the country, its footsteps are heard by almost every Russian family.
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 31 March 2021 23: 49
        +5
        But in the stores of the largest chain for 45.90.
        so it is "normal" for Russian pricing, about Shebekino pasta, which in the Belgorod region is more expensive than in the Kharkov region, I wrote back in 18, in the current 21st relatives in the LPR buy TESS tea on the market in their Luhansk for 75 rubles, the same in Magnet -77 with a discount (!!!)

        so I agree with the first comment to the article "while there is no government regulation of the crazy markups of speculators ..." you can only wait until the second coming
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 31 March 2021 14: 26
    +11
    The Russian Ministry of Energy has developed a number of measures to stabilize fuel prices.
    Interesno, will we see it or again as always?
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 31 March 2021 14: 35
      +5
      This is not yet known to science ...
      Science is not yet in the know ... yes
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 March 2021 14: 39
        +3
        Probably everything depends on the stars on ... not on the shoulder straps, no, on the container with which they decided to "consult"!
        There is no better "advisor" than half a liter drinks
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 31 March 2021 14: 41
          +3
          Yeah ... without her, as they say, you can't figure it out ... drinks
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 31 March 2021 14: 38
      +20
      In 2018, there were large-scale speeches by motorists about the increase in gasoline prices. Then they raised the price by 2 or 3 rubles at once. The government played back, but after six months they did something differently, they began to raise the price of fuel on a monthly basis by small amounts. 25 - 35 kopecks per month. And so for three years.
      And so it will continue. The rest is all cover-up chatter.
    3. WIKI
      WIKI 31 March 2021 14: 39
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Interesno, but we will see it

      Someone will see, but someone is not destined to feel it, due to the possible bankruptcy. "In some Russian regions, the cost of gasoline at filling stations turned out to be lower than wholesale prices, so many owners of gas stations are forced to sell fuel at a loss. So, the head of the Primorsky Fuel Union, Vladimir Chirskov, named Sakhalin, Khabarovsk and Primorsky Territories among such regions. According to him, a ton gasoline AI-92 at the St. Petersburg International Commodity Exchange (SPIMEX) when purchased from the Angarsk Petrochemical Company (ANHK) costs the owners of gas stations 56 thousand rubles. With delivery to Vladivostok by rail, the price reaches 63,5 thousand rubles.

      In terms of liters, this brand for refuellers costs 48,6 rubles, and they sell it for 46,9 rubles. The situation is even more complicated with AI-95 gasoline, which, taking into account the delivery to the region, turns out to be cheaper than in the wholesale, by 5,8 percent at once. "
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 March 2021 14: 51
        +3
        Quote: WIKI
        In terms of liters, this brand for refuellers costs 48,6 rubles, and they sell it for 46,9

        we still have from 44,90 to 46.90 ... with a card it is cheaper .... but I have 95, and this is no longer ice!
        Will rise in price, do not go to the grandmother!
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 31 March 2021 14: 58
        +10
        Quote: WIKI
        costs 48,6 rubles, and they sell it at 46,9

        We have for a long time for 56 rubles! Sakhalin.
    4. mark1
      mark1 31 March 2021 14: 40
      +8
      But how! This is stabilization - stable growth (no contradiction) ...
      Now, if measures were taken to reduce fuel prices ...
    5. Fitter65
      Fitter65 31 March 2021 15: 15
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      The Russian Ministry of Energy has developed a number of measures to stabilize fuel prices.
      Interesno, will we see it or again as always?

      Let's see how in the Khabarovsk Territory. From the beginning, on January 22, the plant stopped (such as for scheduled repair / reconstruction) a week later, kilometer-long queues for gasoline. Then decisive measures, you give the people gasoline, the truth is that it has become more expensive by two rubles, already garbage. The main thing is that he is laughing... Moreover, on the flagship, he jumped by 4 rubles. Well, the main thing is that there is. wassat good Here is one of a number of measures ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 March 2021 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: Fitter65
        And on the flagship, he jumped by 4 rubles.

        Oops, the flagship was like ours, local ... though they survived him from here, and they had such a g g g gasoline ...
        No, not ours, the name is similar.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 31 March 2021 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          The flagship was like ours, local ..

          Well, we have a local in the Khabarovsk Territory ...
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 31 March 2021 15: 38
        +6
        Crooks organized a divorce and a scam.
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 31 March 2021 14: 34
    +1
    After all, we are also talking about compensation for colossal funds to oil companies.
    This means that we need to work out mechanisms to return the oil industry into the hands of the state. The process is long and complex, but necessary.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 31 March 2021 14: 48
      +34
      Quote: Lesovik
      This means that we need to work out mechanisms for returning the oil industry into the hands of the state.

      Have you been doing the opposite for 30 years and all of a sudden it's the other way around?
      Quote: Lesovik
      The process is long and complex, but necessary.

      Who will do it?
      Mothers of the head of the presidential administration Vaino and Minister Manturov became the beneficiaries of a network of gas stations with a multi-billion dollar turnover
      And you want everything back?
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 March 2021 15: 05
      +8
      Quote: Lesovik
      The process is long and complex, but necessary.

      Simple enough and not very long ... Six months ... For sabotage - a bullet in the forehead.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 31 March 2021 15: 14
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Simple enough and not very long ... Six months ...

        Within the law?
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 31 March 2021 15: 30
          +10
          Quote: Lesovik

          Within the law?

          If you dig within the framework of the law, right from the moment the USSR collapsed and the formation of the Russian Federation, then we practically will not have dollar billionaires. And there will be millionaires ... Not very much. Another question is that both the Kremlin will then become depopulated, and the Lubyanka with the grain. And in other government agencies ... Drivers and cleaners will be the most massive survivors. And who will dig for themselves?
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 31 March 2021 15: 31
          +4
          Quote: Lesovik
          Within the law?

          yes Within the framework of the law ... Within the framework that the privatization took place ... In the parameters in which the amendments to the Constitution were adopted and the new pension law was approved.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 March 2021 15: 19
      +7
      Quote: Lesovik
      The process is long and complex, but necessary.

      It's easy to put things in order in a year at most. The process is deliberately pedaling, this is not the first time expressing concern about the rise in prices. negative
      Within the law?
      People accept laws. wink
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 31 March 2021 15: 36
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        People accept laws.

        That is precisely why this is "a long and complicated process." For a year is not realistic. One study of the bill and bringing it into line with existing norms and with the parallel cancellation of laws that prevent this bill will take a couple of years. And even if the bill is immediately adopted, it will not take months to bring it into effect for the entire industry. It's all bureaucracy.
        And for a year it is only "take away and divide".
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 31 March 2021 15: 49
          +8
          Quote: Lesovik
          That is precisely why this "process is long and difficult." For a year is not realistic.

          Yes latna? !!! belay Zeroing on stumps was legalized much faster! wink
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 31 March 2021 15: 51
            -2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Zeroing on stumps was legalized much faster!

            And they will apply (if applied) only after a few years ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 31 March 2021 15: 54
              +2
              Are you pretending, or are you by nature? In addition to zeroing, there were many more points, and these points ALREADY work.
              1. Woodman
                Woodman 31 March 2021 15: 56
                -2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                There, in addition to zeroing, there were many more points.

                Below is the answer to your question.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 31 March 2021 16: 08
                  +5
                  So what? Privatization can be carried out quickly, but nationalization is not? The institution of nationalization exists and is used in almost any state. In addition, more than half of taxes and excise taxes are included in the price of gasoline. Increase excise taxes on imports, and reduce for the domestic market. Everything is in the will of the state. But the authorities have different goals.
                  Therefore, down with this power, while it is legal. If in the fall again "The United Russia won with an overwhelming advantage", then people will be blown out into the streets. And no fines, Rosgvardia will stop them.
                  If the authorities (and you) do not understand this, the riots can lead to the disintegration of the country. And the fault in this will only be yours and the authorities.
                  In Montenegro, the authorities realized this and admitted defeat in the elections.
                  1. Woodman
                    Woodman 31 March 2021 16: 11
                    -6
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Privatization can be done quickly,

                    In those conditions it was possible.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    but no nationalization?

                    And now they are more and more trying to act within the framework of the law. Otherwise, how will Russia in the 20s differ from the lawlessness that was happening in the 90s?
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    If in the fall again "United Russia won with an overwhelming advantage", then people will be blown out into the streets. And no fines, Rosgvardia will stop them.

                    In fact, only a few came out. And this gives reason to think that the majority still chose the EP, even though you do not like it.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 31 March 2021 16: 15
                      +5
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      In those conditions it was possible.

                      Under what conditions? Are you talking about the 90s? Don't you know that the privatization never stopped? Kalashnikov, Massandra and much more were privatized last year.
                      The plan provides for the privatization in 2020-2022 of the federal-owned shares of 186 joint-stock companies, 86 federal state unitary enterprises, the participation of the Russian Federation in 13 limited liability companies, more than one thousand objects of other property of the state treasury
                      1. Woodman
                        Woodman 31 March 2021 16: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Are you talking about the 90s? Don't you know that the privatization never stopped?

                        And nationalization has not yet begun.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 31 March 2021 16: 33
                        +8
                        This is an indicator that the authorities have enemies and grabbers who do not think about anything but personal enrichment.
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        most of them chose the EP, even though you don't like it.

                        I know how they chose. The evidence of the supply of the "electorate" is complete, as well as the purchase of votes. Pamfilova's eyes puffed up and spattered with drool, shouting that the evidence of voting on the stumps and trunks of a car is a lie, but the internet is full of photos and video evidence. laughing
                2. Igoresha
                  Igoresha 31 March 2021 23: 57
                  +1
                  "The United Russia won with an overwhelming advantage," then people will be blown out into the streets.
                  no one will come out, they will come up with another scarecrow in the style of our king, they spat in the face and will twist and scare through all channels like with bulk so that the norot rallied
      2. ALARI
        ALARI 31 March 2021 15: 52
        +7
        Something does not smell like bureaucracy when adopting and implementing some laws. I'm talking about pensions, zeroing, VAT, raising taxes, fines, etc.
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 31 March 2021 15: 55
          -4
          Quote: ALARI
          I'm talking about pensions, zeroing, VAT, raising taxes, fines, etc.

          Your examples do not provide for a change in ownership of companies, equipment, real estate ...
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 31 March 2021 16: 01
            +7
            But they affect millions of people, violate current legislation and dozens of laws and regulations. Or people can be over the knee, and the owners can wipe the nozzles. Although if the power is with the bourgeoisie, then everything is correct.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 31 March 2021 16: 04
              -2
              Quote: ALARI
              violate current legislation and dozens of laws and regulations

              There are still laws in force that contradict the decisions you are talking about?
              1. ALARI
                ALARI 31 March 2021 16: 21
                +5
                According to paragraph 2 of Article 55 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, laws that abolish or diminish the rights and freedoms of man and citizen should not be issued in the Russian Federation.
                Something like this.
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 31 March 2021 16: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: ALARI
                  in the Russian Federation, laws should not be issued that abolish or diminish the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.

                  Alas, but it is this point "that the drawbar - where it turned, there it came out."
                  1. ALARI
                    ALARI 31 March 2021 16: 28
                    +4
                    Yes, alas, the drawbar is always turned in one direction.
  4. Revival
    Revival 31 March 2021 15: 43
    +2
    In whose hands?
    What state does everyone mention?
  • KSVK
    KSVK 31 March 2021 14: 36
    +13
    Gasoline prices are more difficult to regulate than sugar prices ...

    Much more difficult. In sugar, the interest of the state is 20% VAT and that's it.
    And in gasoline mineral extraction tax, VAT, excise tax. This is about the domestic market.
    A decrease in any of the components will lead to a decrease in prices. But this will NOT be the case.
    You can't bite yourself by the elbow. And you can't get it and it hurts.
    FORGET ABOUT lowering fuel prices. Not with this power.
    Give bread from fodder grain and pay for the lost revenue on the foreign market to the state from the sale of oil.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 31 March 2021 14: 45
      +30
      Quote: KSVK
      In sugar, the interest of the state is 20% VAT and that's it.
      And in gasoline mineral extraction tax, VAT, excise tax.

      The state will not miss its interest. Tax - new oil
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 31 March 2021 15: 08
        +16
        Quote: Overlock
        The state will not miss its interest. Tax - new oil

        Sorry. Why do we need such a state that observes only its own interests, increases state debts and extortions from the population? Let him go (resign). People will come who can put things in order with both prices and taxes.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 31 March 2021 15: 10
          +34
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Why do we need such a state that observes only its own interests, increases state debts and extortions from the population?

          You are not the first or the only one who asks such a question! Academician Alferov including hi
  • populist
    populist 31 March 2021 14: 42
    +5
    Thus, the issue of regulating prices for gasoline and other fuels is much more complex and requires much more joint efforts.

    Nothing complicated.
    The state will nationalize the oil-extracting and oil-refining industries. And then it regulates the price level. That's all the difficulty. wink
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 31 March 2021 14: 48
      -7
      Venezuela nationalized it, gasoline there is one of the cheapest in the world.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 31 March 2021 15: 10
        +6
        Quote: VORON538
        And what's next?

        Nothing grows in Venezuela, but here in Russia fields are empty or sold to new landowners for personal use for a symbolic payment.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 31 March 2021 18: 11
          +2
          Nothing grows in Venezuela
          It is easier to list what does NOT grow there - these are the humid tropics. Three harvests a year.
      2. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 31 March 2021 15: 12
        +1
        It is known that Venezuela is being strangled from all sides and its assets were brazenly stolen. Probably, if a conditional citizen is attacked, beaten and robbed, then not very much the citizen will heal?
    2. ALARI
      ALARI 31 March 2021 15: 33
      +9
      Vaughn Yukos was nationalized, included in Rosneft and?
    3. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx April 1 2021 07: 39
      +3
      You can just screw the faucet on the border.
      Put gasoline and diesel fuel at gas stations - sell over the hill.
      No gasoline - suck the pipe.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 April 1 2021 10: 21
        +2
        Put gasoline and diesel fuel at gas stations - sell over the hill.

        I agree. How much you sold on the domestic market, you can sell on the foreign market; if you sell at a high price on the domestic market, no one takes from you, you cannot sell abroad.
        The problem is that the market is divided among the big players, and prices are negotiated.
        But if the problem is clear, start doing something, and we have been doing the same thing for decades, but at the same time trying to get different results.
  • Divigr
    Divigr 31 March 2021 14: 43
    +3
    Around the bush ...
    Difficult, but impossible ...
    .. is looking for a way out of this situation ..
    Another wee-wee-wee.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 31 March 2021 14: 44
    +33
    No matter what they say, no matter what they promise, but the prices for gasoline will rise. The verbiage of the authorities on this matter is tired. Moreover, there is a feeling that we are not in order with this too.

    How much will imported gasoline be? MOSCOW, March 30. / TASS /. Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak instructed the Ministry of Energy and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation to work out the issue of gasoline supplies from Belarus until April 15. The Kommersant newspaper writes about this on Tuesday with reference to the minutes of Novak's meeting with oil companies, which took place on March 15.
    1. svp67
      svp67 31 March 2021 15: 08
      +3
      Quote: Overlock
      How much is imported gasoline

      This one is cheap. Here there is a netting. Russia opens the valve and supplies an increased rate of oil to the Belarusian refineries, part of which, after refining, it returns to us, and part of which it uses at its own discretion, like refined products. Earlier, due to this, Belarus did not live badly
    2. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx April 1 2021 07: 42
      +2
      work out the issue of gasoline supplies from Belarus

      Every year, the Russian Federation receives fuel from the Republic of Belarus during the scheduled maintenance of Russian refineries.
      What's new here?
  • Private89
    Private89 31 March 2021 14: 54
    +4
    Especially when you do not fight the arbitrariness of the monopolies, it is so difficult to regulate prices. It's just that the monopolies and this government have one goal - profit, not the interests of citizens.
    1. Revival
      Revival 31 March 2021 15: 46
      +4
      How can a monopoly fight against itself?
      1. Private89
        Private89 31 March 2021 16: 52
        +1
        Under capitalism, not how.
  • O. Bender
    O. Bender 31 March 2021 15: 04
    +3
    As long as the private owner owns production and production, and in fact owns the subsoil that once belonged to the people, until then the price of fuel and everything else will rise. The authorities cannot and does not want to force the owner to sell at a cheaper price, and most importantly, they will not. You can talk about high excise taxes even for a hundred years. Return the monopoly to the state for the entire fuel of the energy complex, trade for export at exchange rates, and to the people at adequate Russian prices. Marge has deprived many of the conscience and shame. And yes, return the bowels of the peoples of Russia.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 31 March 2021 15: 14
      -4
      Everything is more complicated. It was already (state monopoly). We passed. Collapse. BUT! This is also not an option. Putin and the team will not keep track of 100 pounds. Already "fell asleep" .... sugar grew and grows, gasoline, too, etc. And no one wants to "give up the reins of the regulator" but will have to ... or again 1917.
      1. Private89
        Private89 31 March 2021 16: 59
        0
        It is not clear what you are proposing? How do you see the country?
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs April 1 2021 08: 59
          +1
          And what is not clear to you? I wrote - It's more complicated. I see the country as strong, defensive, independent (with personal accounts in foreign banks?), Self-sufficient ..... At the right time, everyone is needed! clause of the Regulation "give" to "market relations", otherwise there is a violation of "feedback" and the subsequent "incorrect development". My expression is "you can't track all the fleas", give less significant items "to the market", but never some Gospunits! ... And so constantly change. Simple in these constant changes is tantamount to stagnation.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 31 March 2021 20: 23
      -3
      Quote: O. Bender
      Return the monopoly to the state for the entire fuel and energy complex, trade for export at exchange rates, and to the people at adequate Russian prices. Marge has deprived many of the conscience and shame. And yes, return the bowels of the peoples of Russia.

      You can't. The WTO condition is global energy prices. By the 25th year they will.
  • svp67
    svp67 31 March 2021 15: 05
    +5
    To make it profitable for them to work in the domestic market, gasoline prices must also be brought up to export prices, but this is impossible for a number of reasons and considerations.
    Yeah, again about the notorious "magic invisible hand of the market". But this hand can also be CONTROL. The volumes consumed in the domestic market are known and they can simply be specified in the MANDATORY delivery, and everything from above - please supply abroad. If they didn’t, the penalty was such that it wouldn’t be easy. But no one will go for it ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 31 March 2021 20: 28
      -1
      You can manage it, only the European Union is against it.
  • Moore
    Moore 31 March 2021 15: 17
    +5
    When Russian President Vladimir Putin was outraged by the rise in prices for sunflower oil and sugar, the government immediately rushed frantically to fulfill the instructions of the head of state.

    Well, who rushed, and who immediately found the reason - we raised our own prices.
    “According to Nabiullina, in 2020, due to closed borders, spending on foreign tourism was actually zeroed out and the Russians did not spend 2 trillion rubles. purchases that were previously postponed. "
    https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/nabiullina_ceny_rastut_izza_izbytka_deneg_u_rossiyan/
    Does everyone understand? Those who have not skated to Miami and Courchevel are now buying butter and sugar at an accelerated pace.
    1. ALARI
      ALARI 31 March 2021 15: 37
      +2
      And tomorrow, April 1, and all the agreements come to an end with butter and sugar. EVERYTHING))))
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 31 March 2021 20: 31
        -1
        Quote: ALARI
        And tomorrow, April 1, and all the agreements come to an end with butter and sugar. EVERYTHING))))

        This will be a joke for all jokes.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 31 March 2021 15: 32
    +4
    It's not about the price, but about the salary. So funny, it means that the prices for food products and gasoline should be Russian, and for everything else, from socks to cars, European (very few people are worried, apparently this situation suits everyone). The government is not profitable from rising food prices against the euro, otherwise it will have to raise wages. But how great is it for the government with the oil and gas tycoons, the salary has dropped by 40-50% in dollar terms since about 2008, here the tops charge a premium after a premium. Moreover, they sell everything for export at a euro price.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 31 March 2021 15: 52
    +6
    With this approach to pricing, a social explosion in the country is inevitable (and not only in terms of fuel prices). The desire of the authorities to make the order of prices for everything "as in Europe" ... but at the same time to leave the salary in the country as "in Africa" ​​.... will not bring to good ...
    Making gasoline cheaper is very simple: 1) Reduce taxes and excise taxes. 2) Steal less.
    Noodles about "pandemic" and "oil price collapse" do not work.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 31 March 2021 17: 10
      -9
      It's funny. Where did citizens with a salary like "in Africa" ​​get money for a car? At the same time, they cannot fill it. There are either problems with financial literacy, or tax time to work. laughing
      1. From Tomsk
        From Tomsk 31 March 2021 17: 25
        +1
        Every second car in Russia in 2020 was bought on credit. It's funny.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 31 March 2021 18: 16
          0
          Every second car in Russia in 2020 was bought on credit. Funny
          In England, 91% of cars on credit are taken (https://uk.motor1.com/news/353737/91-percent-cars-financed-year/). This means nothing.
          1. From Tomsk
            From Tomsk 31 March 2021 19: 28
            +2
            Only now the leader of sales in Russia is Lada. Or do you think that Lada is bought on credit because of the high standard of living?
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 31 March 2021 19: 36
              0
              In its price category, it is a strong middling. Why not take it?
      2. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx April 1 2021 07: 47
        +3
        There is no clinic, no pharmacy, no bus to the regional center ... (just a fact!)
        Or a ride, or your own car ... on credit.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 31 March 2021 16: 49
    0
    Leave only government supplies for export and gasoline prices inside the country will happily creep to the bottom.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 31 March 2021 17: 23
    +7
    In general, now Russia continues to unravel the consequences of the global "pandemic" crisis and the collapse in oil prices parallel to it, and the rise in the cost of gasoline is only one of the sad links in the overall chain of economic problems.
    , Ilya, can you name the period when the price of gasoline in Russia fell? I don’t remember that. laughing There were no special political crises, gasoline was growing in price, crises appeared, gasoline was growing in price, there was no pandemic, gasoline was growing in price, a pandemic, gasoline was growing in price, the pandemic began to decline, damn it, gasoline is growing in price .. laughing Well, what are you going to do ..
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 31 March 2021 18: 13
    +3
    I'm just going to the store and check:

    According to the documents, a liter of sunflower oil in retail should not exceed the price of 110 rubles, and a kilogram of sugar in retail should not exceed 46 rubles.

    repeat Unsubscribe after the fact)))
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 31 March 2021 20: 32
      0
      In England, sugar is 65 pence a kilo, butter - 1.09 per liter.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 31 March 2021 18: 15
    +1
    So it goes without saying. The power elite was formed on the money of the oil industry, and sugar is agriculture. So sugar is sugar, and the income of the oil industry in a divine form is to cut yourself alive.
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx April 1 2021 07: 48
      +1
      Agriculture is already undermined too.
      Look at the assets of MTS ...
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 1 2021 07: 57
        0
        Now yes, but in the 90s there was complete devastation.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 31 March 2021 19: 15
    +3
    The government of the Russian Federation is looking for a way out of this situation, but will it become an updated damper


    Finds where the government will go .. New taxes, increased taxes and prices.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 31 March 2021 20: 00
    -2
    I just respect eating a kilo of sugar in the morning and washing it down with a liter of butter. Country of fools. Elections are coming soon. All midgets will be in chocolate hi
    1. bandabas
      bandabas April 2 2021 08: 58
      0
      everything is clear with the minuses. Greased with oil.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 31 March 2021 21: 21
    +1
    Even if there were no pandemic, everything would have come to a known result. The fact is that in the entire economy, there are no offended in something. Agriculture pays for fertilizers, for electricity, for fuel, any enterprise pays for gas ... And all this with a huge number of intermediaries. suffered in such cases. Gasoline rises in price with a very complex tax collection scheme. Until we come to the ministries of energy, everything will be repeated every year.
  • Million
    Million 31 March 2021 22: 25
    +6
    Yes, everything there is easily regulated. The regulator either lies or does not want to
    1. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. April 1 2021 10: 55
      +2
      Quote: Million
      Yes, everything there is easily regulated. The regulator either lies or does not want to


      Example
      Produced sunflower oil at a cost price of 56 rubles (for example), paid + 10% VAT rate + 5,6 rubles = 61,6
      two ways:
      - sell at 109,99r perpetually woody in the Russian Federation (and the networks will take no more than 70 rubles and wind up the price to 109,99r), a profit of only 8,4 r per liter, or
      - $ 1,5 each abroad, $ 1,5 at the rate of x75,7r = 113.55 rubles
      Moreover, as a manufacturer as an exporter, he will receive a VAT refund of 10% (rate on food products) - VAT refund = 5,6 rubles
      In total, the second option makes a profit of 113,55-61,6 + 5,6 = 57,55 rubles per liter.

      A sane manufacturer, which would prefer: 8,4 rubles or 57,55 rubles per liter of oil? It is clear that the prices are roughly approximate, but in general the calculated ratio will be close to the real one.

      In the conditions of obsolete chain stores with markups of 70-200% and deferred settlements with manufacturers, the conclusion is obvious.

      Statistics:
      in the 20/21 season, the Russian Federation can produce 5,3 million tons of sunflower oil (-10%). Oil exports, subject to the maintenance of the zero duty, at the same time, may amount to 3,1-3,3 million tons (against a record 3,8 million tons in 19/20
  • TOR2
    TOR2 31 March 2021 22: 35
    +1
    However, gasoline and diesel prices are equally important for the average consumer and for the economy as a whole.
    Here it is possible without prohibitions, by purely market means. For the first time synthetic fuel appeared in the 30s of the last century. Since then, the petrochemical industry has stepped forward quite expensively. Synthetics are the same fuel, only they are made from coal or peat. Such fuel can be produced by small modular factories located near the deposits. For example, the Shatursky district of the Moscow region. almost all in peat bogs. In other regions, it is quite feasible to restore narrow-gauge railways to peatlands, and investors will be found. Such factories will work exclusively for the domestic market, but let the fastidious gentlemen go to the foreign market.
  • paco.soto
    paco.soto 31 March 2021 23: 16
    +1
    Neutral opinion: I took it and calmly read all the comments. It became sad from reading the confrontation between honest, intelligible and frank comments (which are minus)
    , and humorous
    type of "old women Putin" ™ (who are added) as seen on YouTube.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 31 March 2021 23: 33
    +4
    I unsubscribe on the fact of going to Pyaterochka - our local store))
    The cheapest sugar - 45 rubles. 99 kopecks
    The cheapest sunflower oil - 109 rubles. 99 kopecks

    From a FORMAL point of view - yes, Pyaterochka fits into the Agreement ...

    But!!! But these are the cheapest prices, the rest for the same sugar and butter price tags are at least 20-30-50 more expensive!

    And they buy them (sugar and butter) at such prices well for a sooo budget food ... and soooo ... normal food is much more expensive ...
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx April 1 2021 07: 51
      +4
      The cheapest sugar - 45 rubles. 99 kopecks
      The cheapest sunflower oil - 109 rubles. 99 kopecks
      Before the famous announcement of the maximum prices, sugar in the Stavropol Territory could be bought for 35 ... 36 rubles.
      And now it's 45,99!
      Turn off the king's microphone!
  • Lister
    Lister 31 March 2021 23: 51
    +12
    Gasoline prices are harder to regulate than sugar prices

    Really tricky. The prices for gasoline on the world market have grown, and our gasoline is getting more expensive. Gasoline prices on the world market have fallen, while our prices have increased. Difficulty however ... laughing
    Just once, gasoline prices fell. So no, this is not allowed. In our country, gasoline prices can only be raised, but not lowered in any way.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 April 1 2021 09: 24
    +3
    The Russian government is looking for a way out of this situation, but will an updated damper become it?
    Or it may be easier to build several refineries and sell gasoline at firm government prices. Yes, it is not easy, here the market itself will not regulate everything, here you have to strain.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. April 1 2021 10: 07
    +2
    The Kremlin prisoner believed that the ruble could be devalued indefinitely and the prices for food would remain as if the dollar was 30?
  • Silinvv
    Silinvv April 1 2021 11: 18
    0
    What inflation are we talking about? China can regulate the yuan exchange rate, Russia cannot control the ruble exchange rate. Nobody pulled by the hand to devalue the ruble exchange rate twice in 2014. Nobody bothers to keep it now. About lending is true. When the rate is infernal 14-15% there will be inflation. Because the business has to lay down the rate of return. The state has created conditions for inflation.