Elon Musk's company has lost another prototype of the Starship launch vehicle

The test phase of the Starship reusable launch vehicle developed by Elon Musk ended in failure. Today, SpaceX's 11th Starship prototype was tested for maneuvering.

The tests reportedly ended in failure. An explosion occurred, which Elon Musk himself associates with a malfunction in one of the engines. In this case, the explosion was recorded during the landing.

The broadcast lasted for about 2,5 minutes, after which the "picture" froze. The device crashed into the launch pad, before going into fast rotation.

Eyewitness accounts:

The rocket first disappeared in a thick fog, and after a while it crashed to almost the same place from which the launch was carried out.

After 2,5 minutes I said that the landing would be, but not the way it was expected.

We are talking about the test center of the Elon Musk company in the town of Boca Chica (Texas).

As noted in SpaceX, the main problem is not only the loss of the apparatus, but also the loss of data that would help to find out what the unsuccessful start was connected with this time.

At the same time, Musk's statement about the problem with the engine is being discussed. It turns out that the company could initially know about the weakest point of the heavy launch vehicle.

This is the fourth loss of a prototype reusable launch vehicle from SpaceX.

Comments

[Ilya-spb]

Serves him right, the capitalist!

[Sergey_G_M]

The number of accidents speaks of the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competencies of the engineers, but Musk goes consistently, the failures only slow down a little, the structures are being finalized, the engineers gain experience - they will finish it over time, nothing is impossible there.
The capitalist - yes, but I'm a little jealous that he can spend such budgets and, despite the accidents, move steadily forward.

[Private-K]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

The number of accidents speaks of the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competencies of the engineers, but Musk goes consistently, the failures only slow down a little, the structures are being finalized, the engineers gain experience - they will finish it over time, nothing is impossible there.

Weakened. Whether it was in the 1960s - they took and flew to the moon. Immediately. And the missile was able to immediately. And biosecurity. And so on and so forth and so on.

[Sergey_G_M]

We, too, in the 60s almost made a rocket for a manned flight to the moon and wanted to fly, so what?
Where is she in almost 60 years? Can we do it now without spending ten years developing a new rocket?

[poquello]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

We, too, in the 60s almost made a rocket for a manned flight to the moon and wanted to fly, so what?

without "too"

On January 5, the Beijing MCCS allegedly reports that "Chang'e-4" has reached the designated place. There were no traces of the Apollo 11 landing and the American flag.

[Simargl]

Quote: poquello

without "too"

For that with

Quote: poquello

allegedly

[zlinn]

of course the "supposedly" Chinese lunar rover, actually on the other side of the moon, that would be cool if he found the Yankes there

[Simargl]

Quote: zlinn

it would be cool if he found the Yankes there

Have a seat.

 New proof that the Americans were not on the moon

During the liquidation of the Chernobyl disaster, the USSR appealed to the United States to provide lunar spacesuits that protect against radiation, but they "squeezed" them.
Conclusion - were not!
This is how and what should be done in order to deduce a thought in this way?

[zlinn]

thank you, neighing, otherwise the day somehow went wrong, and you gave me back my faith in humanity again

[LSI_72]

Correctly built but it did not fly. So you're wrong here.

[Bratkov Oleg]

The Americans did not destroy factories and industries, as in the USSR. What are the relations between Ukraine and Russia now, do you know? And about the fact that Ukraine, for a darma, leaked missile technologies to the Americans, for which the Soviet people ruined a lot of time and their lives, and the Americans got all this from corrupt Ukraine without worrying too much, you don’t know?

[ccsr]

Quote: Private-K

Weakened. Whether it was in the 1960s - they took and flew to the moon. Immediately. And the missile was able to immediately. And biosecurity. And so on and so forth and so on.

And we still have Mitrofanushki believe that six landings on the moon is just one piece of cake - not even a single accident happened. Only now they can't create a launch vehicle in any way - but it's just "Musk's mysterious American soul" making fun of us ...

[Maikcg]

This is all because the pilots were fired at once. There was a fourth crew member, Captain America. Here are his steel balls

and pulled out flights .. and Mask has drones.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Weakened.

Ага.
Everyone would be so weak!

[Buchenland]

Is 8 years old right away? o_O

[figwam]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

The number of accidents indicates the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competencies

When our rocket falls, there is a howl for the entire universe)
It turns out that the next and complete destruction of the American missile is

Quote: Sergey_G_M

despite the accident, move steadily forward.

[Sergey_G_M]

Achievements in space now primarily serve propaganda, science is in the background (for example, a manned flight to Mars, all the more nafig its unnecessary population). Because of this, "When our rocket falls, there is a howl for the entire universe)" - the Western propaganda machine is much stronger than ours, do not pay attention to this.

Quote: figvam

It turns out that the next and complete destruction of the rocket is -
Quote: Sergey_G_M
despite the accident, move steadily forward.

The accidents spur the project, but Musk does not stop and continues - and this is movement forward. Yes, it will come out more expensive, but other people's money is considered like that.

[poquello]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

Yes, it will come out more expensive, but other people's money is considered like that.

really, why should Mask count other people's money

[sleeve]

Are you talking about nasa money? It is just dissatisfied with these "returns" ...

[poquello]

Quote: sleeve

Are you talking about nasa money? It is just dissatisfied with these "returns" ...

I am plagued by vague doubts that nasa is not the owner of their money

[sleeve]

This is in vain. Well tormented in vain. Certainly not the owners. Who would spit with bags of his own free will in such a mess in front of the public?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

"When our missile falls, there is a howl for the entire universe)" - the Western propaganda machine is much stronger than ours

The problem is that we are the first to howl.

[Sergey_G_M]

So howling are those who have already been successfully brainwashed.

[slipped]

The last two and a half years have been frantically looking for something to raise. They try to catch hold of every little thing, even for outright fakes.

Meanwhile, we churn out spaceships like sausages:

Soyuz MS-18 "YA Gagarin", just refueled and loaded with cargo for delivery to the ISS.

At the Vostochny cosmodrome, the assembly and subsequent preparation of the next rocket under the Oneweb spacecraft launch program began:

[slipped]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

Accidents hassle the project, but Musk does not stop and continues ...

Video of this action:



the second video shows what happened at the end of the first when the signal hung.

[Nastia makarova]

you can't see anything on the second

[slipped]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

you can't see anything on the second

Yeah, not that video ... wildly sorry, I gave a link to previous tests

here is the correct one starting at 2:52

[Simargl]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

"When our missile falls, there is a howl for the entire universe)" - the Western propaganda machine is much stronger than ours

You do not take into account the nuance: we are falling serial, and there - experimental.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: figvam

When our rocket falls, there is a howl for the entire universe)

And how many Falcons have not brought the payload into a given orbit?
They howl about the loss of all polymers when the start-up of a spent product ends in an accident.
And if you explode, for example, tomorrow "Yenisei" is on tests - they will also say that we are moving forward in spite of difficulties.
But where is this Yenisei? There will definitely not be tomorrow, and in a year, and in 10, perhaps.

[slipped]

Quote: Narak-zempo

And how many Falcons have not brought the payload into a given orbit?

One rocket exploded with the Dragon, the second in preparation for launch from the Israeli spacecraft, there was also a super-expensive and top-secret Zuma, which is still being searched for in orbit, but they swear that Falcon is somehow not to blame.

Quote: Narak-zempo

They howl about the loss of all polymers when the start-up of a spent product ends in an accident.

We have not had any accidents for two and a half years, so the "polymers" are back in service.

Quote: Narak-zempo

And if you explode, for example, tomorrow "Yenisei" is on tests - they will also say that we are moving forward in spite of difficulties.

Before launching the Yenisei, all of its components will be tested on other carriers - the first and second stages at Soyuz-5, the central unit at Soyuz-6, and the hydrogen stage at Angara-А5V.

By the way, please note that all our new carriers of the Angara complex take off successfully. This is the result of quality ground tests.

Quote: Narak-zempo

But where is this Yenisei? There will definitely not be tomorrow, and in a year, and in 10, perhaps.

Tomorrow, its first stage will be ready - the launch of the Soyuz-5 LV is scheduled for 2023, and its production is now underway.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

The number of accidents speaks of the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competence among engineers, but Musk goes consistently

Musk has already done a lot for the development of astronautics, having gone down in history, and taking into account his still quite young age, he still has everything ahead of him, especially what breakthroughs he makes in the automotive industry.

[Sergey_G_M]

He has no particular breakthroughs in the automotive industry.
I combined the car with a smartphone and now the autopilot is a subscription service, well, such a thing.
Why should I buy a car with separately connected services by subscription with payment on time, I'd rather take a car in carsharing.

[Maikcg]

Capitalizing on a non-profit company, here's a real breakthrough.

[AVA77]

Musk bought a galvanizing plant or didn't have enough money for paint

[venik]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

The number of accidents speaks of the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competencies of engineers, but Musk goes consistently, failures only slow down a little,

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Musk goes very adventurous way (albeit quite well-known in big business): namely, a promise incredible prospects already in the very near future! Hence the rapid pace with the launch into the sky of extremely "raw", not "perfect" systems ... Hence the incredible accident rate: it is necessary to attract private investors with fantastic projects! Not having time to bring one project "to mind" - he immediately rushes to the next, even more adventurous!
Extremely risky practice - after all, negative expectations of investors can lead to an outflow of investments .... While it is supported by the authority of the State Department and the American government (supporting it implicitly), and then?
There are, of course, achievements, and considerable ones, but there is also outright adventurism ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: venik

There are, of course, achievements, and considerable ones, but there is also outright adventurism ...

No adventurism, a normal testing process is underway.

[venik]

Quote: Stroporez

No adventurism, a normal testing process is underway.

========
With such then pace development and such accident rate? No, my friend! Here - clearly not thought out (or poorly thought out) design, + "raw" (not passed proper checks and bench tests) components and assemblies! According to the principle: there ("maybe it will carry it", and then, in that "other life" - we will finish it!) .....

[Sling cutter]

Quote: venik

With such a pace of development and such an accident rate?

And you remember about the accident in the 60s !!! Yes, and Gagarin did not land according to plan, but how many crews were killed.

[Maikcg]

4 crew
Soyuz-1 1967
Soyuz-11 1971
Challenger 1986
Colombia 2003

[slipped]

Quote: MaikCG

4 crew

4 Soviet cosmonauts on two ships during landing, one in training in an isolation chamber.
3 American astronauts in the spacecraft in preparation for launch + 14 American astronauts in XNUMX spaceships during launch and landing.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Quote: Stroporez

... and how many dead crews there were.

Lying, vile rotten nonsense. All the dead were announced, everyone is known. But rotten American propaganda tends to sling mud at the achievements of the Soviet Union. And the Americans themselves first flew into space only 20 years after Gagarin's flight, and until that moment only fakes were filmed about space flights, how they surf the expanses of space.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Stroporez

No adventurism, a normal testing process is underway.

They test it in a very Soviet way - to shoot the "product" every time, and then to understand the causes of the accident.
Not enough money for full-fledged burn stands?

[zlinn]

all bench tests have already been repeatedly carried out and completed, but it is difficult to test this particular aerodynamic pre-landing somersault, and re-engaging the engines in a powerful incoming stream, shutting down, restarting, swinging the engines, it is difficult to verify at the stand, no one has conducted such experiments and ready-made computer models no, well, they decided that it would be more convenient for them, and possibly cheaper

[Sergey_G_M]

I agree.

Quote: venik

Not having time to finish one project - he immediately rushes to the next, even more adventurous!

Musk is not an automotive engineer or a missile developer, Musk is a marketer and PR specialist, therefore projects with a touch of adventurism and PR have "incredible prospects."
It is interesting to watch his projects.
Unfortunately, modern society is extremely forgetful and does not remember the collapse of previous "promising" projects (hyperloop, PowerWall) and happily switch to a new, beautifully presented "promising" project (drawn pictures of a city on Mars, no one really even asks, but what for is it necessary), a little sad for the society, as Pavlov's dogs showed the picture - saliva dripped.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

a little sad for the society, as Pavlov's dogs showed the picture - saliva dripped

Maybe because there is simply no alternative to these pictures of a bright cosmic future? Nobody offers people hope for a better future.
Humanity is tired of seeing progress in yet another super-duper smartphone with 10 cameras (on credit, because the real disposable income of the majority is shrinking). In general, people's lives, especially in the "first world", are not getting better, but they are becoming more expensive. We continue to poke around the Earth to produce a huge amount of bullshit, degrading the quality of the environment. And the reversal of this trend is not visible. Pretty desperate when you think about it.
Therefore, they cling to the new capitalist messiah, giving the dream of a breakthrough into space. Moreover, he was blinded to the ideal image of someone who achieves success thanks to breakthrough ideas, in which way they have been brainwashed for the past 30 years.

[Bratkov Oleg]

The Chinese proposed an alternative, two years ago they landed a station with a closed ecological system on the Moon. Based on mulberry and silkworm larvae, it ate and fed each other there, and this will help in creating a system for processing taikonaut poop into water and oxygen at the future lunar station, and China already has some data on the actual operation of such a system on Moon.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

The number of accidents indicates the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competence among engineers

And here is the complexity! It's written:

The rocket first disappeared in a thick fog

This is Stephen's mother of his King's machinations!

[Simargl]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

The number of accidents indicates the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competence among engineers

Let's remember H-1: they tried to make the finished product work in the same way. Americans sawed long and tediously in parts.

[Bratkov Oleg]

The constructors promised the 7th launch of the N-1 to be accident-free, although the 5th N-1 could already fly without accidents, it was from which they drained the fuel, and did not start, and sawed, along with the 6th and 7th, ready-made missiles . And from the 12th launch - manned flights, everything is according to plan.
But then you would have to fly to the moon and show how American Hollywood filming differs from the filming of a real astronaut on the real moon. And then the members of the Central Committee of the CPSU would never, never, never become oligarchs, they would not have their own yachts, with their own crew of a hundred people, and all that other stuff due to a successful multibillionaire.

[pytar]

There are a lot of new technologies that have not been used before. Unhewn field! Spysex goes along the line of try and error! It does them the honor that they steadily, step by step solve them and go forward! Many more barrels will be broken, but sooner or later they will succeed! Road going by walking!

[APASUS]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

The number of accidents indicates the complexity of the design and the lack of experience and competence among engineers,

Do you also believe in this crap, I mean Musk's genius? That he created a spaceship from scratch?
He sat down on a NASA budget and crushed a couple of firms under him, that's all genius!

[zlinn]

what? is it that easy to crush a couple of companies? Well, try it, if it works out, then I will consider you a genius, but about the NASA budget it's not funny at all, neither Boeing with Lockheed, nor OTK who receive much big money from the NASA budget have not achieved such successes, and now they are frantically chasing a mask and are forced to restrain his Wishlist, this is the Mask's "genius", he found simpler and cheaper solutions, and broke the stereotypes that everything cosmic must be cosmically expensive, and that space is difficult, but not gods burn pots, and now a handful of new firms are pulling up to the production of launches and k. devices, he stirred up the swamp and gave a magic pendel to himself and the entire space industry, as in general, in the electric vehicle industry, and even if his offices eventually collapse, then he has already done his job, and I earned money for myself, and stirred up the industry, everyone wins, and since most of its investors are not very poor people (and pride in general, ZAO and all investors are exceptionally rich), it does not matter if they are slightly poor they didn't bring the last money there, but Musk created a whole bunch of new high-paying jobs, and redistributed income, in general, well done

[APASUS]

Quote: zlinn

neither Boeing with Lockheed, nor OTK, who receive much more money from the NASOV budget, have not achieved such success, and now they are frantically chasing a mask and are forced to restrain their Wishlist, this is the Mask's "genius" he found simpler and cheaper solutions, and broke stereotypes,

I've heard it somewhere, oh yes Tony Stark!

Quote: zlinn

I will consider you a genius, but about the nasa budget it's not funny at all,

Yes, I'll pay now, because of the genius of Musk, Whom he cheated there is not clear, but the genius is very seriously addicted to funding. Of his projects, only one is profitable.

It is noteworthy that this is not the first time that the US government has sponsored the work of SpaceX. So, back in 2006, the company became one of the winners of the NASA Commercial Orbital Transportation Services competition and received $ 396 million for the development of a spacecraft for cargo deliveries to the ISS. Subsequently, NASA signed a contract with SpaceX for 12 cargo launches for the ISS for a total of $ 1,6 billion.
Moreover, SpaceX is currently applying for financial assistance from the state to provide residents of sparsely populated areas of the United States with access to high-speed Internet. In total, the company expects to pay out $ 16 billion over ten years, according to The Wall Street Journal.
“Of course, it’s not clear that the commercial company SpaceX is directly funded by the US government. In this case, the state is rather the largest customer for missile launches and other tasks. Nevertheless, without such a client, of course, it would be much more difficult for Musk, "said Artyom Deev, head of the analytical department at AMarkets, in an interview with RT.
Meanwhile, according to the expert, the US authorities provide significant amounts of financial assistance to two other companies of Elon Musk. In 2015, The Los Angeles Times estimated that SpaceX, along with Tesla and SolarCity, received $ 4,9 billion in government subsidies.
“Musk's companies really develop primarily due to government support, which is expressed in the allocation of grants, tax incentives, assistance in the construction of factories, and loan forgiveness. The government is also actively promoting a policy of tax deductions and refunds to buyers of solar panels and electric vehicles produced by Musk factories. It is obvious that the companies that regularly find themselves on the verge of bankruptcy - Tesla and SolarCity - are kept solely by state subsidies, "added Deev.

[zlinn]

[/ quote] [b] It is noteworthy that this is not the first time the US government sponsors the work of SpaceX [/ b]. So, back in 2006, the company became one of the winners of the NASA Commercial Orbital Transportation Services competition and received $ 396 million for the development of a spacecraft for cargo deliveries to the ISS. Subsequently, NASA signed a contract with SpaceX for 12 cargo launches for the ISS for a total of $ 1,6 billion."[quote]

in the above paragraph there is not a word about sponsorship, here we are talking about two contracts, one for the development of the ship, where SpaceX was one of the two winners and received less money than OrbitloTK, but did a better job, and the actual contract for cargo transportation at 150 LAMs per mission , which is also less than the orbital (180), so this is not a subsidy, but an order that was paid upon completion of the work, during the same time the spaces performed about 30 more commercial missions, and not a single orbital,

[Quote]Moreover, SpaceX is currently claiming for financial assistance from the state to provide residents of sparsely populated areas of the United States with access to high-speed Internet. In total, the company expects to pay out $ 16 billion over ten years, according to The Wall Street Journal.. [quote]

and lied again
this is never help, but again a contract for the performance of work, and the spaces in this tender are not the only ones and there will be 4 winners, and God forbid that at least a third of it will get out of it, but for this third it is necessary to work and provide contracted services, so that this is not help but "salary"

[quote] [/ quote] “Of course, one cannot say for sure that the commercial company SpaceX is directly funded by the US government. In this case, the state is rather the largest customer to perform rocket launches and other tasks. Nevertheless, without such a client, of course, it would be much more difficult for Musk, "said Artyom Deev, head of the analytical department at AMarkets, in an interview with RT. [Quote] [/ quote]

and even this is not entirely true: although the state is the largest and very important customer, it only accounts for about 30% of their portfolio of orders, at the initial stage, without state orders, the mask might not have been promoted (and the rocket lab was promoted without a state order), but now it is he who is no better for the city (he is the cheapest of the contractors) than they are to him
[quote] [/ quote] Meanwhile, according to the expert, the US authorities provide significant amounts of financial assistance to two other companies of Elon Musk. In 2015, The Los Angeles Times calculated that SpaceX, along with Tesla and SolarCity, received subsidies from the state totaling $ 4,9 billion. [Quote] [/ quote]
and again, these are not subsidies, but benefits that all American companies receive to one degree or another for the creation of new jobs

[quote] [/ quote] “Musk's companies are really developing primarily due to government support, which is expressed in the allocation of grants, tax incentives, assistance in the construction of factories, and loan forgiveness. Also, the government is actively promoting the policy of tax deductions and refunds to buyers. solar panels and electric vehicles produced by Mask factories... Obviously, the companies that regularly find themselves on the verge of bankruptcy - Tesla and SolarCity - are kept solely by government subsidies, "Deev added. [Quote] [/ quote]
And here Deneva already incurred non-local subsidies, allocated subsidies for buyers, not for manufacturers, and affected all manufacturers of panels and electric machines, but they have already ended, Tesla and Solar City have never been on the verge of bankruptcy, these are public companies traded on the stock exchange and submitting quarterly publicly available reports, and funded primarily by contributors and shareholders

I understand that it is much easier for the Russian elites to shrug off the mask than to explain to their citizens why Russian entrepreneurs are not being encouraged to create new highly profitable jobs and where are the promised 25 million of these same jobs, and the American state is doing the right thing and helping large employers with benefits and orders

[APASUS]

Quote: zlinn

I understand that it is much easier for the Russian elites to shrug off the mask than to explain to their citizens why Russian entrepreneurs who create new highly profitable jobs are not properly encouraged

I love these transitions, let's discuss it later, but now we're talking about Musk, or am I mistaken?

Quote: zlinn

the American state is doing the right thing and helping large employers with benefits and orders

The one behind the Musk decided to privatize NASA. They unloaded the Mask for trillions of dollars of intellectual property, transferred entire huge teams, 100, 200, 300 people each, gave the launch pads for nothing, and so on. They downloaded all these drawings and stuff to him. And he also received a government subsidy. The beneficiary is not Musk at all, but those who, in fact, pass it on to themselves. And Musk was singled out as a genius!
President of the Galaxy - to create so many scandals and events so that no one thinks about who really controls the Galaxy.

[bk316]

The capitalist - yes, but I'm a little jealous that he can spend such budgets and, despite the accidents, move steadily forward.

Musk is raising a lot of funds, and CONSTANTLY shifting deadlines to the right.
While rolling. But this is for the time being.
It is interesting that if you go to his website now, you will see an inscription that the twentieth starship will fly to Mars (though you can translate and how it will fly to Mars, which is not quite the same ). Obviously, if the first 11 simply could not successfully jump 10 km and land, then either the development style must be changed or the twentieth maximum will enter orbit.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Sergey_G_M

but Musk goes consistently, failures only slow down a little, designs are being finalized, engineers gain experience - they will finish it over time, nothing is impossible there.

Well, what did he really achieve? Launched Tesla into space? After 10 years of trying and spending huge amounts of money, created a "dragon", in fact, based on the technologies of the 70s? Now, another scam with the so-called. "transport worker" ....

[Cool but not Igor]

And when our missiles fall, then we "also need it", are we also capitalists? By the way, if Musk is already working on this technology, then we are not even close to returning the rocket!

[AVA77]

They come back with him well! Returning steadily They sit down shitty

[Cool but not Igor]

Well, they are in the process of creation, how can they be criticized during this period? It's just that they will succeed faster than we do when we are just hatching plans.

[AVA77]

What a wonderful business it is. After each trip to the car service, unfit the car against the wall. It seems that Musk is not making a rocket, but a bomb. People are no longer waiting for the launch, they are waiting for the fireworks.

[borberd]

Quote: AVA77

After each trip to the car service, unload the car against the wall.

There was no trip, there was a test of a non-serial ship. The prototypes that he rivets in batches are beating. Technologies are tested on these prototypes. In any case, what Musk does is not done by anyone else, not even the state offices of some very large states with huge budgets and sole support from the state, and Musk is one of many in this business in the United States.

[AVA77]

Well, yes, what Musk does, no one else does. Launching prototypes into low underground orbit This is know-how. There's a lot of money, so the devices with all the giblets and the launch pad are ruining. The state office would be turned inside out with fur

Beautifully, he can afford

[borberd]

Quote: AVA77

Well, yes, what Musk does, no one else does.

Did I miss something ? Is Roscosmos able to return rocket stages to Earth for reuse?

Quote: AVA77

There is a lot of money, so the devices with all the giblets and the launch pad are ruining.

Apparatuses there are barrels with engines. And the richest man on the planet can afford it. Moreover, when (and not if) he develops a ship, then the creation and beating of prototypes will pay off handsomely.

Quote: AVA77

The state office would be turned inside out with fur

The state office lost most of its clients because of Musk, and for this no one turned anyone inside out.
And in general, do not envy so loudly. You yourself are to blame for the fact that Musk became what he became.

[AVA77]

Well, finally they found someone to blame So write the Mask in small handwriting AVA77 is to blame for everything. And let him coordinate all the tests with me personally.

[borberd]

Quote: AVA77

Well, finally they found someone to blame

Not you personally , and those of your generals who laughed at Musk when he came to Moscow to buy a rocket to launch his satellite. Would have sold a rocket in due time, maybe he would not have created Space X then.

[AVA77]

If the generals are mine, then I dispose of them. And God will give you a mask.
It was not enough for Musk to drop our missiles, let him drop his cans.

[Katanikotael]

And why, or can this rocket take off again without major modifications?

[sleeve]

And why should the bolt return the stage? Saving? Yes, it is unlikely ...

[ksv36]

And you know that we had a return shuttle. "Buran". And without a pilot. The second was not completed in time due to the collapse of the USSR. And this is in the 80s. Everyone did not even dream of this.

[your1970]

Quote: ksv36

And you know that we had a return shuttle. "Buran". And without a pilot. The second was not completed in time due to the collapse of the USSR. And this is in the 80s. Nobody even dreamed of this.

-Shuttle you crossed out the list why?

[ksv36]

I wrote - UNMANNED. The shuttles were manned.

[bk316]

And when our missiles fall, then we "also need it", are we also capitalists?

A series of 11 failed tests is a world record. We are very far from this.

[Incvizitor]

What about him? His sharaga will again be dumped 10 billion from the budget and everything will be covered

[Narak-zempo]

What do you say when Starships are launched in the Soviet United States of America?

[loki565]

This is different, it was intended)))

[Ilya-spb]

I suggest that Musk, during the next tests, put LGBT and BLM representatives in his ship)))

Or it will take off and land, or there will be some benefit.

[NIKN]

Quote: loki565

This is different, it was intended)))

At the construction site. The foreman says:
- Guys! We'll have a commission tomorrow. Whatever happens, pretend
that's the way it should be. The next day, the construction commission goes, suddenly one
falls from the walls with a noise. One of the young builders looks at his watch
and says:
- Oh, you! 10.35:XNUMX am - right on schedule.

[Cowbra]

Well, and the phrase on duty - when is there the next planned explosion of the starship?
Again the hamsters will commit suicide ...

[Ilya-spb]

If we lived in the USSR ... Then the launch date would be determined simply by the date of the next major holiday.

And in the USA I don’t know how. It is unlikely that they timed the launch of ships for the holidays.

[Cowbra]

Instead of holidays, they seem to have gay pride parades, here's the appropriate fireworks - through ...

[Volodin]

Quote: Ilya-spb

If we lived in the USSR ... Then the launch date would be determined simply by the date of the next major holiday.

Here I tried to count the number of space launches in the USSR, for example, in 1987, I lost more than 70 ... Well, surely no major holidays will be enough to time all these launches for them

[Cowbra]

"An exam is always a holiday for me, comrade professor"
Tfu-tfu-tfu, not by night, he will be mentioned on this site

[Ilya-spb]

Nothing like this! Every day you can find a holiday here!

[sabakina]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Nothing like this! Every day you can find a holiday here!

That's right!

[slipped]

Quote: Volodin

lost over 70 ...

97 launches. Mostly military spacecraft. Photo scouts. Then the satellites lived for a very short time - a year or two, and the film had to be lowered from orbit more often.

Now that many launches are not required. Photographic reconnaissance agents drive the figure to Earth in real time, and they fly for seven years and more.

[Cosm22]

But how quickly!
A few minutes have passed since the start, and the news is already showing off on the resource. I wonder if they would have laid it out just as quickly if the landing was successful?
As for the accident ...
Frankly, there were hopes that my skepticism about the project would be shaken this time. Alas...
That did not happen.
Information is still small, but it is already clear that problems have emerged in the "TS-engine" chain. Moreover, the problems are systemic, regular.
Again, the conclusion suggests itself about problems with the ignition at the time of restart.
We are waiting ... The official version.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Cosm22

problems were identified in the "TC-engine" chain. Moreover, the problems are systemic, regular.
Again, the conclusion suggests itself about problems with the ignition at the time of restart.

Yes, the fuel lines were on fire at the time of takeoff. SN15 apart from other changes, this node will be completely redesigned. There will be no SN12-14 launches.
The main thing in the current tests was to check the body and fins for the coup. Landing as a bonus.

[loki565]

There, immediately after starting, there was a flame from the pipeline of one of the engine, then it was turned off and it did not start again.

[ccsr]

Quote: Cosm22

Frankly, there were hopes that my skepticism about the project would be shaken this time. Alas...
That did not happen.

And it will not happen, because only amateurs can treat accidents so carelessly, and specialists begin to understand before making the next start.
But you continue to believe that Musk will always be given money for his accidents, and no one will ask him where the results are.

Quote: Cosm22

We are waiting ... The official version.

So they will tell you, especially if there are design and not technological problems.

[Cowbra]

Quote: ccsr

And it will not happen, because only amateurs can treat accidents so carelessly

What amazes me most of all is how, in principle, it is possible to assemble - even a MODEL, but a priori, an aircraft subjected to non-acidic loads - in the desert, under the open sky, with a sledgehammer? !!! You will excuse me, but this fence near the house can be used to cook a shikos-nakos, and when the welded seams at the hull stick out at random, they also stick out almost a meter - it's fortunate that right after filling the tanks in the trash, it didn't fly apart.
That's why all the spacecraft are assembled in clean rooms?

[donavi49]

Well, they are laying the main package of changes and improvements in the CH-15. Others can cancel suddenly. Well, or bang for data collection. CH-15 is coming soon.

[Cosm22]

SN-15 in May. Yes, cardinal alterations will be there. And judging by the fact that 12-14 left the game, they knew about the problems for sure. Then today's launch is somewhat incomprehensible.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Cosm22

Then today's launch is somewhat incomprehensible.

It was a very crumpled test today. Suddenly, early in the morning, in the fog, there was an earlier replacement of the engine. They understood that the test would end in a "quick unscheduled debriefing." We launched it because we could, we will not be superfluous one more test, there is nothing very expensive there. The prototype is a too loud name for this SN series, rather a flying mock-up.

[sleeve]

Understood. Destruction of a dead-end prototype with imitation of "intelligible" malfunctions such as burnout of fuel chains. They say all the rules, but a nuance ... And an understandable and visual nuance. I wonder if the poor guy has a version of the ending of this whole gang or not?

[Vladislav_2]

To find the very essence ... you have to lose a lot! All engineering is built on this.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vladislav_2

..there is a lot to lose!

For normal engineers, so that there would be fewer engine failures on a product, there is such a thing as bench tests. The mask doesn’t care whether it’s bad or good, the main thing is PR.

[YES UZH]

They will definitely finish it, we have + a little time.

[Vadim237]

It's time for the guys to create a full-scale ground test bench for practicing the landing of the Starships and turning on and turning on the engines, vibration loads, otherwise every time the ship models crash engines and all other equipment.

[Cosm22]

Possible.
But Musk, apparently, considered that full-scale testing of prototypes gave advantages over bench tests. The main one is the speed of the project implementation. Therefore, prototypes were stamped, in fact, without looking back at the results of previous starts.
Well, the richest (or no longer?) Man on Earth can afford such quirks.

[Sergey_G_M]

Musk is an excellent PR man, whether his mock-ups fall or not, but these tests create an excellent informational lead, ground tests cannot be done so loudly. Musk knows how to promote projects, perhaps a similar approach to development was deliberately chosen based on this.

[spirit]

Come on !, flies and falls, sometimes sit down, from 20 times it will turn out, the disc itself is not particularly expensive, relatively of course! What I like
At the Mask ?! The fact that they are practitioners, and not philosophers and dreamers who only make computer models or props. And something tells me that they will soon bypass the same SLS, which slips during firing tests

[Vadim237]

SLS which slips during firing tests. The first stage has already been sent to the assembly of the rocket should fly at the end of this year or early next.

[Volodin]

Quote: spirit

Come on !, flies and falls, sometimes sit down, from 20 times it will turn out, the disc itself is not very expensive, relatively of course!

You need to work as a press secretary for SpaceX

[figwam]

Quote: spirit

from 20 times it will turn out

If Rogozin burned rockets 20 times, what would you call him?

[zlinn]

so he burns them all down to one, but in general all of them are burned, and since the mask also returns them, we have something to see

[Sergey985]

Engine problem ???? With which? There are 28 of them!

[Blackmokona]

There are three of them, this is the prototype of the second stage.

[orionvitt]

Well, if one of the three on the prototype constantly fails, then how many of the 28 on the final product will refuse? Approximately 9.

[Blackmokona]

In all cases of flight accidents, the fault was on the fuel system in different places. The last accident is still under investigation and it is not known what happened

[Cosm22]

BN1 is still in the hangar, teach materiel.

[Gennady Fomkin]

I was wondering - is it really in their plans to do something that works? Maybe this is purely a company for testing and checking developments. That is to say, they master the money for the development of alternative engineering.

[rocket757]

It is no longer interesting to discuss ... just as soon, as soon as possible ...

[Mouse]

after a while she collapsed to almost the same place from which the start was carried out

Did Musk create a boomerang?

[Blackmokona]

There is a landing site where the rocket should land in case of a successful flight.

[Mouse]

In 2,5 minutes it became clear that this was no longer a target landing site!

[Blackmokona]

It is even painted there. SpaceX loves jokes like this

[Gennady Fomkin]

Well, Ibragimych has pyrotechnics. About engineers - a question.

[Incvizitor]

I can imagine the howl of the local liberda, if in Russia they gave the grabber to the private trader Roscosmos, he would have grabbed tens of billions of subsidies from the state budget, but there’s nothing to do with it, this is a saw-cut, there was no such thing even in the 90s in the Russian Federation, but well, this is from their owners, this is different ...

[Blackmokona]

The grabber launches more rockets than Rosskosmos, has more active satellites for its development, production and launch than China and Russia combined, carries people and cargo to the ISS

[Cosm22]

In fact, a private grabber has already laid the entire mighty state-owned Roscosmos on its blades, knocking out Proton from the game and taking the geostationary launch market from Russia. Along the way, he chopped off the pie at the Unions, leaving them only OneWeb (thanks to the contradictions between the EU and Spaces) and internal launches.

[figwam]

Quote: Cosm22

Generally a private grabber

What a blatant lie.

[Cosm22]

What sheer stupidity.
You have something to object, sir, operate with facts.

[Katanikotael]

And the facts as they say on the face - almost all of his "projects" sit on tough government subsidies, such an interesting private trader ...

[borberd]

He does not receive subsidies, but develops work projects for money.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: BlackMokona

The grabber launches more rockets than Rosskosmos, has more active satellites for its development, production and launch than China and Russia combined, carries people and cargo to the ISS

Build your own station and go on as a coachman.

[Lontus]

"This is the 65th murder of a serial maniac. Isn't he kidding?"
(c) the comedy "The Naked Pistol"

[Cry]

According to the laws of aerodynamics, such a fat man cannot fly.

[squid]

Remember this post ...
Musk is dizzy with success. Ivan was carried away. Starship is an unrealizable adventure. Which no one would ever have believed if it weren't for Musk. To try to make a reusable ship from household stainless steel, with a share of PN almost like disposable high-tech rockets, and even in a short time .. Of course, he got the Falcon. But Falcon is a project of a completely different technical novelty and risk. In fact, this is a rather primitive rocket with only two features: 1) the first stage being returned; 2) low cost (due to the optimization of processes in a private company). Starship, on the other hand, looks fantastic from a technological point of view (not in the best sense of the word). Moreover, even general technical solutions are constantly changing. Then it had just double walls made of stainless steel, then with active cooling, now with ordinary ceramics a la shuttle (which, by the way, makes the entry into the atmosphere "on the belly" noticeably meaningless). That was a 3mm wall, then 2.5, then already 4. The number of engines, the shape of the rudders, the scheme of supports are changing. And all this on the go, in a matter of months. This is not a project, but a gamble. Even if he ever takes off and lands, there is no guarantee that this success will be repeated on the next flight. And this despite the fact that the current tests are 0.1% of the complexity of the entire program. Throwing up and even planting a stainless tank, even with an overturn, was always possible, and without the Mask. But to force this product to return from orbit ... Moreover, to bring a payload there, with all the design features ... Most of all, it is surprising that there is nothing fundamentally new and unattainable in technologies for the last 40-50 years. Stainless steel tanks - even under von Brown they could have made, the engines of a closed cylinder were made by Glushko (although not on methane), landing in automatic mode with a coup is also possible for 40-50 years (although this is the most innovative moment). Or all other missile designers, since the 70s and 80s, since they could not come up with such simple solutions (apparently Musk thinks so). Or the adventurer and Musk himself.
At the same time, I would not relax on the spot spaxeX. Many competitors are breathing in the back, the most important of which is Bezos's Blue Origin. Quietly and without noise, they finish their New Glenn, which, if the Starship fails, will bury all the Falcons. In terms of level, this rocket is between Falcon Heavy and Starship. But, unlike Starship, it is real, not fantastic. Methane engines, reusable first stage, hydrogen second, LEO PN 45 tons per reusable option ... When it takes off - kirdyk spaceix. It was planned to launch this year, but the date was postponed to the end of the 22nd. And the mask will be too late to take up the mind and make a real project - the market will be busy. I think the period of Musk's victories will end soon, at least in space he will lose, which will be a strong blow to his reputation. And on the reputation of a genius, other projects are held by him.

[ccsr]

Quote: squid

Remember this post ...

Indeed, we will return to it, and I think that your forecast will come true completely - I also adhere to this opinion.

[voyaka uh]

"I think the period of Musk's victories will end soon" ////
----
Hardly ... There are already 1300 StarLink satellites in orbit.
This system will bring Musk at a minimum of a trillion dollars.
profit.
Part of which is invested in lunar and Martian projects.

[Usher]

Quote: voyaka uh

"I think the period of Musk's victories will end soon" ////
----
Hardly ... There are already 1300 StarLink satellites in orbit.
This system will bring Musk at a minimum of a trillion dollars.
profit.
Part of which is invested in lunar and Martian projects.

yes, a trillion. Che trifles, let's sixtillion.

[Vadim237]

There will be no competitors to his office, even in the very distant future - his Falcones have flown more than 114 times; ships have flown to the ISS more than two dozen times, and a super-heavy rocket has flown three times this year, it will fly two or three times - and New Glenn has never flown before. she doesn't have the kind of advertisements that Musk's office and raids do. "Most of all, it is surprising that there is nothing fundamentally new and unattainable in technologies in the last 40-50 years" - Dohren and more over the past 20 years have created more than 3000 new alloys of composites alone.

[Usher]

Quote: Vadim237

There will be no competitors to his office, even in the very distant future - his Falcones have flown more than 114 times; ships have flown to the ISS more than two dozen times, and a super-heavy rocket has flown three times this year, it will fly two or three times - and New Glenn has never flown before. she doesn't have the kind of advertisements that Musk's office and raids do. "Most of all, it is surprising that there is nothing fundamentally new and unattainable in technologies in the last 40-50 years" - Dohren and more over the past 20 years have created more than 3000 new alloys of composites alone.

Fundamentally new. Do you understand the meaning of the words, or are you just talking about your topic?

[Usher]

My thoughts. Even the appearance of this Starship makes itself felt. Science fiction from the 60s.

[bk316]

Remember this post ...

I can add. The Americans are most likely to land on Mars first, but this will EXACTLY not be the Musk project we are currently discussing. Although Musk claims the opposite, collecting money for a dream.

[seregin-s1]

It's good that it fell and exploded!

[Oleg Aviator]

Soviet developments and ideas that he attributed to himself. True, they fly badly. I did not process it with a file.

[Aleksandr97]

The degradation of competencies is amazing, after Saturn 5, it has not yet been possible to reach the once achieved level.
How do you remember the liberoid mantras of the 90s about an effective private trader? In fact, a private trader will not pay a salary to a highly qualified specialist without a guaranteed order of his products, and there is no need for decades, a short-term break is enough and employees need to be recruited and trained from scratch!
This is what we observe, instead of bench-top driving of the engines to the state of guaranteed working off of the first stage in a trouble-free mode, a convulsive experimental driving of the rocket. The question is which will end earlier, the budget allocated to Musk or the time it takes for competitors to get around it.

[Vadim237]

The degradation of competencies is amazing, after Saturn 5, you can't reach the once reached level until you manage to write crap - after Saturn 5 they created the Shuttles, which was a new technical level, and now they have made a new rocket that is in no way inferior to Saturn 5.
... "The question is what will end earlier, the budget allocated to Musk or the time it takes for competitors to get around it" - If Musk's Starship creates with his own funds and funds of investors - NASA and the State Department and the Senate do not allocate a cent to him for this project, and we can already say for sure that no country in the world at the moment is creating a super-heavy reusable interplanetary transport system like Starship, so there is simply no one to bypass it, and in the next 20 years they will hardly appear in this direction of rocketry.

[Sergey_G_M]

super-heavy reusable interplanetary transport system like Starship

Or maybe it's because no one needs it?

[Nastia makarova]

Musk only lives on money from NASA and the Pentagon)))))

[zlinn]

Yes, the fact of the matter is that no, state orders are less than 30% of the activities of Spas, and basically these are the private investments of very rich Buratins, and it is even well known who exactly, they have a lot of these candy wrappers, they will not change, but they themselves presence there suggests that very serious and cunning guys believe in the space business, who studied the account of the mask inside and out and invested so much, he has already attracted more than 2 gigabytes to Starlink, and is going to attract the same amount this year, and I think that will attract

[Nastia makarova]

this is just for show that private investors, Starlink is generally a brainchild sponsored by the Pentagon, and allegedly give out the Internet for civilians

[sifgame]

How much money do they have, that there are two accidents a month, and they rivet and rivet

[AML]

Quote: sifgame

How much money do they have, that there are two accidents a month, and they rivet and rivet

For reflection. The cost of the entire VAG is about 100 billion. Tesla cost 600 billion. Here's everything you need to know about the Mask, Tesla and Spaces. (for those who do not understand - a bloated company)

[Vadim237]

Investors see the prospect - so they invest to the maximum, especially the production of electric cars in a trend.

[bk316]

Investors see perspective

"Investors" see the prospect of speculation on the stock exchange, the more volatility the better for them.

[Usher]

Quote: sifgame

How much money do they have, that there are two accidents a month, and they rivet and rivet

money is not your own.

[Ronald Reagan]

Hold on Elon. Now the collegium of pensioners and security guards will point you to mistakes.

[Kerensky]

Now the collegium of pensioners and security guards will point out mistakes to you.

In! This is about us!
Disbursement of funds. Funds must be mastered by any means!
He had a little to do with construction projects. For customers, what is most important is that the work is in full swing. Broken bulldozer? Take an excavator! The bulldozer is going to be repaired tomorrow, and it will fill up everything you've dug up.
There are few Uzbeks on the floors! No tiles? Let the electrician do it! Do not know how? Let the garbage be taken out to the kagats! No trash?!! Who took you in charge - there is a laminate! ...
Is Musk in full swing? The rest is secondary ...

[yfast]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are already 1300 StarLink satellites in orbit.
This system will bring Musk at a minimum of a trillion dollars.
profit.

He has probably earned a couple of trillions in bets on his launches.

[Narak-zempo]

I put a candle before each test so that the Lord would not allow this Satanist to succeed.
There will be no way for him either to the Moon or to Mars, and there, with Gd's help, we will fly, they will become Russians.

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, there is no point in hoping for this - all the previous ones fly and land and after a while the project will fly and land, but his team will definitely cope with all the problems. chickens do not bite him, and billionaires from other countries are financially financing the project - until 2030 the Starship will definitely be ready and will fly. And yes, no one else in the world is involved in such a project, including Russia.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

Until 2030, the Starship will definitely be ready and will fly.

It will be. Here, five miles away, they found a piece:

[Vadim237]

And what this photo shows - there are engine launches, there is only a problem with landing, they need to create a full-scale stand to practice flipping the rocket and turning on the engines in order to understand what is wrong and what needs to be done their only problem with Starship is landing and over time they will solve it.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

their only problem with Starship is the landing, and in time they will solve it.

The landing of the step is not the main problem there.

[Nastia makarova]

no one needs such a project

[Usher]

Do they still believe in this Starship ???

[Lister]

They still believe in Hollywood fairy tales ...

[Usher]

Quote: Lister

They still believe in Hollywood fairy tales ...

What do you mean? I'm talking specifically about the Mask. And if you're talking about "Apollo", then you are writing in the wrong place.

[Lister]

I'm talking about Hollywood, the most "truthful" films.

[Usher]

Quote: Lister

I'm talking about Hollywood, the most "truthful" films.

I do not understand you. What does feature films have to do with it?

[Lister]

In this world, everything is interconnected. March 30 Matchbox Shipbuilding Day

[Split]

but also in the loss of data that would help to find out what the bad start was connected with this time.

In general, telemetry should be transmitted in real time!
How do you like this Elon Musk (c)

[Lister]

trials ended in failure

Trampoline broke

[Ruslan Sulima]

The trampoline is still not so good ...

[slipped]

"A sad sight .... a heartbreaking sight ...." © Eeyore donkey.

[Vadim237]

So it turns out that it exploded in the air at an altitude of 900 meters just at the moment the engines were turned on, most likely it burst the tank.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

So it turns out that it exploded in the air at an altitude of 900 meters just at the moment the engines were turned on, most likely it burst the tank.

Yes, I uploaded the video above, where the flash is visible and the debris falls.

[your1970]

looks like a torn beer can

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

We didn’t try to involve engineers for calculations ?!

[NF68]

Have you found the Russian trace yet?

[Basarev]

This is quite typical for testing. It is the flaws that come to light, we can say that the explosion is part of the normal work process. In any case, it is better to let it explode on a range, far from housing and in controlled conditions, than with a crew on board.

[A.TOR]

Critics of the Starship program do not take into account one important, more precisely, its most important feature: Starship is not a means of delivering any payload into orbit or deep space - it is its secondary task for the first stage of operation.
The main role of this system is to become the basis for the beginning of the expansion to Mars.
It is planned to build literally thousands of such ships - that is why cheap stainless steel is used, which is why the ship, even by modern standards, is extremely simplified constructively.
We need an extremely low cost, the ability to manufacture in quantities, by the standards of ordinary astronautics, insane.
It makes no sense to draw parallels with conventional media - "this is different."
The best analogy is the Liberty transports. "Starship" - "Liberty" of the XXI century.
Regarding accidents - remember R-7: out of 30 test launches, 9 are emergency.
"Starship" - the first step towards space exploration