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"This is outrageous slander": Poland denies accusations by the US press of involvement in the Holocaust

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Auschwitz is the most famous concentration camp in Poland


An article with accusations against Warsaw in the American edition was published by the well-known Russian-American journalist Masha Gessen. Let's omit now the nuances of her views and note that in this case, Hesse really raised a rather interesting and topical issue.

Poland, which in every possible way emphasizes its adherence to the principles of democracy and positions itself louder than other European countries as an outpost of the West, takes a very strange position on the issue of its attitude to the Holocaust.

Actually, the same situation is repeated here as with Ukraine: anti-Semitism and the extermination of Jews were equally characteristic of both Polish and Ukrainian collaborators, but for modern Warsaw and Kiev policemen are "national heroes", part stories, and both regimes are unable to recognize them as criminals.

The article by Masha Gessen, titled "Historians are Attacked for Researching Poland's Role in the Holocaust," recounted a recent lawsuit against Barbara Engelking and Jan Grabowski. The lawsuit was filed by the niece of the late headman of one of the villages, Edward Malinovsky, demanding that historians apologize to her for "slander" against her uncle. The Polish court satisfied the civil claim of Malinowski's niece.

So Gessen wondered why in modern Poland justice is on the side of the descendants of collaborators and policemen. As Hesse wrote, instead of recognizing the responsibility of the Polish people for the murders of 3 million Jews during the Holocaust, the Polish authorities are opposing historians who, eight decades later, are trying to convey information about the events of those terrible years.

Naturally, Warsaw excelled here too. The Polish Foreign Ministry said that The New Yorker had published an "outrageous article" and officially demanded an apology from the publication. Deputy Foreign Minister Shimon Shinkovsky called the thesis about the involvement of Poles in the deaths of 3 million Jews false and slanderous and threatened that Warsaw would take prompt and decisive measures to combat the spread of such information.

However, you cannot erase words from the song: as you know, there were a large number of Nazi concentration camps on the territory of Poland, in which the bulk of the prisoners were just Jews. In addition, the Jewish population of Poland was exterminated outside the concentration camps, as well as a variety of criminal offenses were committed against it.

"This is outrageous slander": Poland denies accusations by the US press of involvement in the Holocaust

In very many cases, the direct executors of the criminal orders of the Nazis were Poles, who served in the formations of the auxiliary police. Poles also served in the protection of concentration camps. One of the key roles in the Holocaust in Poland belonged to the so-called. "Blue Police" - the paramilitary police forces that were part of the police structure of the order of the General Government. By 1943, the Blue Police personnel numbered at least 16. If we talk about the ethnicity of the police, they were mainly Poles, as well as Ukrainians from Eastern Galicia.

Finally, one should not ignore the fact that very many “peaceful” representatives of the Polish nation took part in the Holocaust, who reported the whereabouts of hiding Jews, denounced their own neighbors, and robbed the property of Holocaust victims.

Usually they were silent about this during the existence of the USSR, since the Polish People's Republic was a friendly state. However, the truth about the participation of Polish residents in the Holocaust does not fit into the modern political system of Warsaw. First, if the truth about the Polish contribution to the Holocaust is admitted, then the arguments about the Soviet occupation will look much less convincing. Where is Katyn, if there are much more victims here?

Secondly, it is convenient for Poland to play a victim country of Germany and the USSR, and not a collaborationist country, in which millions of its own citizens of Jewish nationality were destroyed, and before that they also invaded independent Czechoslovakia.

Finally, and most importantly, in Warsaw they fear that the descendants of the Jews would not demand compensation, and then Poland will have to fork out, given that the victims were in the millions.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 30 March 2021 10: 15
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    Despite the laziness of Poland's policy, its consistency commands some respect.
    1. vl903
      vl903 30 March 2021 10: 22
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      unfortunately, for the last 500 years at least part of Poland has been consistently filthy. I believe that not all Poles are like that!
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 30 March 2021 10: 28
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        Quote: vl903
        I believe that not all Poles are like that!

        The selection to the top was not positive, to put it mildly, not during the Warsaw Pact, for sure.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 30 March 2021 14: 06
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          The accusation of Poland in the genocide of Jews before and during WWII is absolutely correct.

          In addition, one must also take into account the fact that the Polish authorities, before the war, prohibited Polish Jews from returning to Poland from other countries, including from Germany. depriving them of their Polish citizenship. And by this, the Polish Nazi authorities not only doomed these Polish Jews - in Germany, for example - also to be sent to concentration camps, but also quantitatively facilitated the work of ethnic cleansing of Poland from Jews in Poland itself.

          So let today's Poland not deny the war crimes of the Polish Nazis before and during WWII in relation to the genocide of Polish Jews by the Poles.
          The genocide of Jews in Poland really took place. In addition, there were quite a lot of Jews in Poland, if we talk about their numbers.
          1. ammunition
            ammunition 30 March 2021 19: 28
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            Quote: Tatiana
            The accusation of Poland in the genocide of Jews before and during WWII is absolutely correct.

            Uv. Tatyana.
            I believe that this accusation (the extermination of 3 million Jews) is wrong.
            1) The occupation regime in Poland in 1939-1945. was the same as in Belarus, as in Ukraine. That is, the Poles did not even have the right to fart without orders from the German occupation authorities.
            2) Until 1939, Jews in Poland lived relatively peacefully. In the sense that there was no extermination of Jews in Poland.
            -----------------
            I don’t understand .. why this dubious accusation causes such stormy delight among the readers of VO.
            On the territory of Poland in the period 1939 - 1945, Jews were really exterminated ... unfortunately ... but the Poles were exterminated too. But it was a harsh and cruel occupation "ordnung" at work.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 31 March 2021 09: 18
              +5
              Quote: ammunition
              Until 1939, Jews in Poland lived relatively peacefully. In the sense that there was no extermination of Jews in Poland.
              The oppression of Jews in Poland, because of which they went to live and work abroad, began in Poland even before 1938, and in 1938 Polish Jews abroad were simply deprived of Poland of Polish citizenship and the right for them to return to Poland. By the way, other European countries also refused to accept them as refugees.
              And concentration camps - for prisoners of war - in Poland were already there since WWI and the Polish-Soviet war - and they continued to work and were even improved and expanded under the Germans.
              Quote: ammunition
              On the territory of Poland in the period 1939 - 1945, Jews were really exterminated ... unfortunately ... but the Poles were exterminated too. But it was a harsh and cruel occupation "ordnung" at work.
              1939-1945 is a different story. And the Poles, as they handed over their Polish Jews to the Polish authorities earlier - in 1938 - they continued to hand them over already in the period 1939-1945 - now to the German occupation authorities. The impetus for the Poles was the seizure of Jewish property and all Jewish private property for their personal use by the informer.
              Quote: ammunition
              I don’t understand .. why this dubious accusation causes such stormy delight among the readers of VO.
              Because you don't know history!
              Because you have supranational globalist political positions of the "man of the world"! Travel around the world and forget about Russia! If, of course, you are a Russian.
              Because you don’t know that modern nationalist Poland refuses to admit that it, as it was before WWII, according to Churchill, “the hyena of Europe”, is so after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and now it is!
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 09: 53
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                Quote: Tatiana
                modern nationalist Poland refuses to admit that as it was before WWII, according to Churchill, "the hyena of Europe", so it is after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and is now!

                Naturally refuses.

                What do you care about that?
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 31 March 2021 09: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Naturally refuses.
                  What do you care about that?

                  To whom "you"?
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 10: 14
                    -5
                    Are you, as I assume, from Russia writing? What can a person from Russia care about conflicts in the former Austria-Hungary, including Cieszyn Silesia? Think Polish-Czech relations require some kind of participation of the Russian Federation?
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 31 March 2021 11: 28
                      +2
                      What country do you write from such a civil-Russophobic position? Pole? Ukrainian? Balt? Obviously not Russian!
                      WWII war began not in 1939, as Poland claims, but in 1938, when Germany and Poland divided Czechoslovakia among themselves and the West agreed with this. Namely.
                      As a result of the Munich Agreement, Poland in October 1938 supported Hitler's Germany in territorial claims against Czechoslovakia and at the same time ANNEXED part of the Czech and Slovak lands, including the areas of Cieszyn Silesia, Orava and Spis.
                      Section and the destruction of Czechoslovakia as an independent state with the participation of Germany, Hungary and Poland in 1938-1939 is not included in the official history of World War II. And this is wrong. For how did the “victim” of the “Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact” behave a year before the “official” start of World War II? October 1938. Polish 7TP tanks entered the Czech city of Teshin (Cieszyn). And the Poles immediately replaced the Czech name of the city with the Polish one at the city railway station in Cieszyn. Etc.
                      And now the modern bourgeois "Great Noble" Nazi puppet pro-American Poland with a fool militarist rages against Russia.

                      So enough for Poland to pretend to be a "victim" of WWII - it’s WWII, together with Hitler’s Germany in 1938, and began! And the same Great Britain, France, Italy and the USA supported all this!

                      The occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1938. • Oct. 2. Oct 2018


                      Forgotten history. Polish troops capture part of the Czech Republic, 1938. Hitler is pleased with the behavior of Poland • 30 December. Dec 2019
                      1. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 11: 58
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        WWII war did not start in 1939, as Poland claims,

                        Sorry? What's the difference when WWII began? Soviet and post-Soviet historical science insistently asserts that the USSR did not touch this issue until June 41. There are other opinions here and there, but what matters to other opinions, right?
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        As a result of the Munich Agreement, Poland in October 1938 supported Hitler's Germany in territorial claims against Czechoslovakia and at the same time ANNEXED part of the Czech and Slovak lands, including the areas of Cieszyn Silesia, Orava and Spis.

                        Everything is so, except for the fact that Poland has nothing to do with the Munich Agreement, and this agreement, in turn, has nothing to do with the locations you named. It was, so to speak, free creativity. In the sense of a desire to steal at a neighbor's fire.

                        Again, who can be surprised by such a desire? Really the Czechs? Or, let me guess, the Russians?
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Poland is furious with a militarist fool.

                        Militaristic? In my opinion, it looks pretty pathetic for the militarists. Specify the share of budgetary defense spending in militaristic Poland and pacifist, for example, Russia.

                        By the way, why are you so interested in the conflicts in the former Austria-Hungary? It would seem that the Russian / Soviet people with Poland have their own history of relations, which is much longer than 6 years of occupation of the Cieszyn region.

                        No?
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 31 March 2021 13: 03
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                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        By the way, why are you so interested in the conflicts in the former Austria-Hungary? It would seem that the Russian / Soviet people with Poland have their own history of relations, which is much longer than 6 years of occupation of the Cieszyn region.
                        Do not pretend to be silly and do not engage in demagogic tricks! You are not so naive as you want to seem.

                        Even under Hitler, the Polish Nazis strove and are now striving to rewrite the history of WWII and the socialist period of Poland with claims to the USSR / RF in the form of compensation from the RF. It must be assumed that you are attracted by the same direction in politics. By the way, you never answered what country you are a citizen of.

                        And if you rewrite the history of the beginning of WWII, then excuse me - there can be no indulgence of unfriendly modern Nazi Poland from Russia!
                        It was the USSR, proceeding from the communist principle of "proletarian internationalism", when Poland was part of the countries of the socialist camp, turned a blind eye to the past of bourgeois Poland and its participation in WWII against the USSR. And now there is no USSR, no socialist Poland, no Warsaw Pact countries. So everyone is now for himself.
                        Therefore, all the condescending historical and political concessions to modern Poland from the Russian Federation according to the principle "I see nothing, I hear nothing!" on the part of Russia are over - all the more so as the modern puppet pro-American Poland, in a Nazi way, is itself Russophobic on the rampage against Russia, as it was in 1938!

                        And by the way. Regarding the history of the beginning of WWII, it does not matter that Poland's signature was not under the Munich Document.
                        But Poland behind the scenes in collusion with Hitler in 1938 agreed in advance and supported Hitler's territorial claims in the world community for "kickback" to Poland from Germany in the form of the annexation of foreign territories by Poland while Germany satisfied her territorial claims against Czechoslovakia.
                        What can you not understand here?
                      3. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 14: 20
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Under Hitler, the Polish Nazis sought to

                        Excuse me who? Polish National Socialists? I hear it for the first time.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        the period of Poland with claims against the USSR / RF in the form of compensations from the RF.

                        Compensation? The Russian Federation does not have that much money, and Poland does not have mechanisms to recover this "compensation". Everyone understands this perfectly well, and the statements of various city madmen - where are they not, city madmen?
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        It must be assumed that you are attracted by the same direction in politics.

                        Not at all. I really do not like this direction in politics. When a country deals with old accounts, it loses opportunities in the present and in the future. The modern economy cannot be built on reparations.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And if you rewrite the history of the beginning of WWII, then excuse me - there can be no indulgence of unfriendly modern Nazi Poland from Russia!

                        What other indulgence? Poland and the Russian Federation have normal healthy relations. Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Therefore, all the condescending historical and political concessions to modern Poland from the Russian Federation according to the principle "I see nothing, I hear nothing!" on the part of Russia are over - all the more so as the modern puppet pro-American Poland, in a Nazi way, is itself Russophobic on the rampage against Russia, as it was in 1938!

                        Totally agree. The more boorish, inadequate and threatening the foreign policy of the Russian Federation is, the better.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        it doesn't matter that Poland's signature was not on the Munich Document.

                        Actually it does. The Munich Agreement concerned only the Sudetenland, which was indeed incorporated into Czechoslovakia by mistake. The claims were later not on this agreement, but on the subsequent actions of the Reich in violation this agreement. As for Poland, its initiative to cut its own piece is beyond the scope of any Munich accords. Actually, Churchill's biting phrase belongs to these actions of 38.
                      4. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 31 March 2021 14: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        What other indulgence? Poland and the Russian Federation have normal healthy relations. Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask.

                        Is it your sarcasm?
                        Where did you see good relations between modern Poland and Russia? What exactly?!
                        Tell me if you know it! Give examples, in addition to her political and economic profit on the rabid Polish Russophobia under the banner of Poland's satisfaction of any globalist wishes of the United States!

                        Here is, for example, a video with a performance, in principle, of an ordinary Pole in Moscow in 2016. His opinion did not go into any gates even then!
                        Since then - since 2016 - another 5 years have passed - and the "independent" bourgeois comprador Poland in its revanchist bourgeois policy, being in the ranks of NATO, was sweating all over the banks!

                        Zhirinovsky versus a stubborn Pole on 06.04.2016/9/2016 • Apr XNUMX. XNUMX Nov.
                      5. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 15: 16
                        -3
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Where did you see good relations between modern Poland and Russia? What exactly?!

                        I wrote.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        normal healthy relationships. Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask.

                        This is the normal relationship of any country with the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Zhirinovsky against a stubborn Pole

                        I would think that you would like to illustrate my position with the example of Mr. Zhirinovsky.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        where are they not, city madmen?

                        But people of your views can rarely become self-ironic.
                      6. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 31 March 2021 16: 12
                        +3
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And if you rewrite the history of the beginning of WWII, then excuse me - there can be no indulgence of unfriendly modern Nazi Poland from Russia!
                        What other indulgence? Poland and the Russian Federation have normal healthy relations. Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask.
                        Do you consider such relations between Poland and Russia to be "normal and healthy"?
                        1. Demolition of military monuments to the Soviet liberators of Poland from the German invaders in 1945?
                        2. The accusation of the Soviet "occupation" by the modern bourgeois Poland of the USSR / Russia?
                        3. Declaration of modern Poland as an enemy of Russia? And the deployment of American military bases against Russia on its Polish territory?
                        4. False accusation by the Poles of the USSR / Russia of the execution of Polish officers near Smolensk by alleged units of the NKVD, instead of the Germans? And Poland's claims to the Russian Federation regarding compensation for their deaths to the relatives of the Poles shot by the Germans?
                        5. Poland's demand for compensation to the Poles for the period of the alleged Soviet "OCCUPATION" of Poland since 1945?
                        6. Support for the genocide of the Russian people by Bandera in Ukraine?
                        7. Poland's non-recognition of the Russian Crimea, which voluntarily and legitimately left for the Russian Federation from under the Bandera Russophobic regime of Kiev throughout Ukraine?
                        8. Poland's demand to the world community, Germany and the United States to prohibit the construction of Russia "SP-2" in Germany? And to impose sanctions for construction on all participants in this construction?
                        8. Poland's demand for Russia to continue pumping RUSSIAN gas through Ukraine on the terms of Bandera's Ukraine?
                        9. Poland's support for anti-Russian sanctions on the Crimean Bridge?
                        10. Or Poland's interference in the internal affairs of Belarus, which is a Union State with Russia?
                        11. And the Institute of National Remembrance of Poland for the laundering of Polish war criminals is also "HEALTHY" and "NORMAL" relations between Poland and Russia?
                        12. Etc.

                        And where did you see your "do not believe, do not be afraid and do not ask" about Poland ?!

                        Viktor Ilyukhin The truth about Katyn! • 3 Feb. 2014


                        Myths of Copper. • 25 jul. 2015
                      7. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 17: 33
                        -3
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Do you consider such relations between Poland and Russia to be "normal and healthy"?

                        Yes of course. By the way, I have not heard that it was the Polish government that raised the issue of reparations from the Russian Federation. Or is it the same Pole from Russian TV, to which you gave the link?
                        And on the rest of the points - it is absolutely normal. If you can do harm at a low cost, do harm.
                      8. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 31 March 2021 18: 56
                        +3
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Yes of course. By the way, I have not heard that it was the Polish government that raised the issue of reparations from the Russian Federation. Or is it the same Pole from Russian TV, to which you gave the link?
                        And on the rest of the points - it is absolutely normal. If you can do harm at a low cost, do harm.

                        Then where do you think the "healthy" relations between Poland and the Russian Federation are on the part of Poland itself as the instigator of a new war - TMV - with Russia?
                        You have a very strange lawyer psychology in relation to Poland, which in this matter cannot be called NORMAL - as if you live on another planet ..
                      9. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 19: 35
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        which in this matter cannot be called NORMAL

                        We may have different meanings of the word "normal". I consider it normal to admit that the Russian Federation is Poland's enemy, that this will never change, in a human age, and policy should be pursued with this fact in mind. Naturally, it will not be superfluous to remind the citizens of Poland about this on any day.

                        There were completely different ideas about the Russian Federation. Ukraine, for example, had, Georgia. It cost them dearly.

                        And at the expense of TMV, scaring yourself is empty. Two deaths cannot happen, and one cannot be avoided.
                      10. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 31 March 2021 20: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        There were completely different ideas about the Russian Federation. Ukraine, for example, had, Georgia. It cost them dearly.

                        Well, give it to you - Ukrainians - in a servile way to the Polish nationalists of the lands in Lviv, which the spacecraft liberated from the German and Polish invaders during WWII, once you are so "kind" and "fair"! Unless, of course, you yourself are not a Pole. They will allow you to wash the pots in their apartments in Poland, to work in the fields seasonally!
                        Let's! What and who is stopping you? Is Russia to blame again?
                      11. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 20: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Well, give it to you - Ukrainians - in a servile way to the Polish nationalists of the land in Lviv

                        What for?
                        I'm not saying who else would have taken them?
              2. ammunition
                ammunition 31 March 2021 20: 52
                -2
                Quote: Tatiana
                4. False accusation by the Poles of the USSR / Russia of the execution of Polish officers near Smolensk by alleged units of the NKVD, instead of the Germans?

                Yes! Dear Tatiana.
                Exactly false accusation.
                sad But !!!! Who exactly raised this accusation against the USSR? Who made the forged "documents"? Well, think .. This accusation against the USSR was pushed through by the top officials of Russia. FIRST PERSONS OF RUSSIA
                The role of the Poles in this matter is insignificant. They simply accepted this "fact" at the behest of their curators.
              3. Tatyana
                Tatyana 31 March 2021 21: 43
                0
                Quote: ammunition
                Who exactly raised this accusation against the USSR? Who made the forged "documents"? Well, think .. This accusation against the USSR was pushed through by the top officials of Russia. FIRST PERSONS OF RUSSIA
                First of all, this provocation by Goebbels was seized by the government of bourgeois Poland in exile, which was in London under the wing of the British special services.
                At the 1945 Nuremberg trial, Goebbels' accusation against the USSR was refuted.
                As for the forgery of Soviet documents by a group of American agent N. Yakovlev under Gorbachev and with the knowledge and initiative of Gorbachev himself - so we all know who Gorbachev really was at that time - he served the United States and Great Britain to liquidate the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries.
                Gorbachev was a traitor-Judas - a foreign agent recruited by the CIA and MI6, who set himself the task of eliminating the USSR, eliminating the socialist system, turning the country into a colony of the West. Yeltsin also fawned at Washington in the same spirit.
                Quote: ammunition
                The role of the Poles in this matter is insignificant. They simply accepted this "fact" at the behest of their curators.
                And what does this remove from the Poles the blame for further parasitic attacks against Russia?
                I have been saying for a long time that it is necessary to reveal the whole truth about the Katyn burial:
                1) demolish the Polish memorials in Katyn, in Medny ...;
                2) to carry out excavations and complete re-exhumation of corpses;
                3) to separate the Poles in the burial place from the Soviet military personnel and
                4) erect there a worthy monument to the Soviet soldiers who died in battles with the German invaders!

                And, honestly, someday we will definitely do it, no matter how much money and work it costs the Russians! Even if the liberal comprador Russian authorities again once again betray the Russians and Russians!
              4. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 22: 09
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                Quote: Tatiana
                Goebbels' accusation against the USSR was refuted.

                )))
                It has not been refuted. It was denied by the Soviet side and, through its efforts, was not included in the materials of the trial.
                Quote: Tatiana
                demolish Polish memorials in Katyn, in Medny

                A good idea.
              5. Tatyana
                Tatyana 31 March 2021 22: 34
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                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Quote: Tatiana
                Goebbels' accusation against the USSR was refuted.
                )))
                It has not been refuted. It was denied by the Soviet side and, through its efforts, was not included in the materials of the trial.

                It was not denied by the Soviet side as simple as you want to demagogically pass it off as truth. And this war crime of the Germans was precisely investigated by the Soviet side in the most thorough way in 1944.
                See about this in my commentary on the video above - "Copper Myths" from 3:00 and 5: 500 min.
                Goebbels' accusation was precisely conclusively refuted.
                Incidentally, the accusation of Goebbels was refuted by the leading Polish medical experts Olbracht and Sinkelevich in 1945, who took part in the excavations.
              6. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine April 1 2021 06: 46
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                Quote: Tatiana
                It was not denied by the Soviet side simply so

                Exactly that "just like that". Naturally, the crimes of the USSR in Nuremberg were not investigated, as were the activities of the allies. Agree, it would be inappropriate if during the proceedings it was necessary to outweigh the entire leadership of the winners. This event was not started for that.
                Quote: Tatiana
                it was investigated by the Soviet side in the most thorough way in 1944.

                Oh yes, the Soviet side knew how to investigate itself.
                Quote: Tatiana
                by the Polish leading medical experts Olbracht and Sinkelevich in 1945

                I won't even check. Polish medical experts hardly wanted to establish that they were also shot in this very place by the Nazis in 40. Well, that is, the next medical examiners on their corpses could establish it.
              7. Tatyana
                Tatyana April 1 2021 09: 28
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                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Quote: Tatiana
                it was investigated by the Soviet side in the most thorough way in 1944.
                Oh yes, the Soviet side knew how to investigate itself.
                Quote: Tatiana
                by the Polish leading medical experts Olbracht and Sinkelevich in 1945
                I won't even check. Polish medical experts hardly wanted to establish that they were also shot in this very place by the Nazis in 40. Well, that is, the following medical examiners on their corpses could establish it

                This is already impudence on your part. From you and the Home Army bears - Polish patriots and punishers rolled into one! In general, the undershoot.
              8. Russian jacket
                Russian jacket April 1 2021 15: 43
                +1
                Nine, how is there an increase in the number of "explosions" of Kaczynski's plane ... Will it reach ten soon?
              9. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine April 1 2021 20: 35
                0
                Quote: Russian quilted jacket
                Nine, how is there an increase in the number of "explosions" of Kaczynski's plane ... Will it reach ten soon?

                Honestly, I don’t follow this. Keep in touch.
              10. Russian jacket
                Russian jacket April 2 2021 05: 02
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                In vain. This is just an indicator of the objectivity of the Polish ambitious gentlemen ... With a clear position of the IAC to carry such nonsense.
              11. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine April 2 2021 19: 08
                +1
                Quote: Russian quilted jacket
                an indicator of the objectivity of Polish arrogant lords

                I wrote somewhere about the objectivity of Polish throaty lords?
                Quote: Russian quilted jacket
                With a clear position of the MAC

                MAK - this is not by chance a Moscow office, which is headed by a granny who saw Brezhnev alive? And besides her, there are many such offices in Moscow that are not afraid to objectively investigate delicate cases? For example, an act of war against a NATO member country?
              12. Russian jacket
                Russian jacket April 4 2021 03: 15
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                About MAK is five ... About Polish ambition it was a passage. But if you are offended, then to the point.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 31 March 2021 11: 39
    +2
    Think Polish-Czech relations require some kind of participation of the Russian Federation?
    You think is our the discussion requires your comments ??
  • ammunition
    ammunition 31 March 2021 12: 32
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Because you don't know history!

    I know this in detail - On the second day of the occupation, in a village in western Ukraine (which belonged to Poland until 1939). There was a very large Jewish family ..
    So there you go! The Germans drove the entire village (including small children) to watch the execution of the Jews. Adult Jews were shot .. and children (whose names I remember now) .. children were sent .. all the same to the ghetto. These children .. every three - four days .. at night they came to my grandmother .. (grandfather was in the Red Army at that time) .. came to grandmother and quietly knocked on the shutter. The grandmother gave them a full canvas bag of cakes, which she baked on purpose, and took (to replace) the empty bag. My grandmother had many children. Therefore, the whole village knew about these visits by Jewish children. But no one betrayed my grandmother!
    Quote: Tatiana
    Poland refuses to admit that it was as it was before WWII, in Churchill's words, "the hyena of Europe",

    The history of Poland before WWII is no better (but not worse !!) than the history of Hungary or Romania .. etc.
    By the way about Churchill lol Whose cow would moo ... He called Poland the hyena of Europe ... whereas Britain was the hyena of the whole world.
    1. Orakul2000
      Orakul2000 April 1 2021 20: 34
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      Nicholas
      Quote: ammunition
      Quote: Tatiana
      Because you don't know history!

      I know this in detail - On the second day of the occupation, in a village in western Ukraine (which belonged to Poland until 1939). There was a very large Jewish family ..
      So there you go! The Germans drove the entire village (including small children) to watch the execution of the Jews. Adult Jews were shot .. and children (whose names I remember now) .. children were sent .. all the same to the ghetto. These children .. every three - four days .. at night they came to my grandmother .. (grandfather was in the Red Army at that time) .. came to grandmother and quietly knocked on the shutter. The grandmother gave them a full canvas bag of cakes, which she baked on purpose, and took (to replace) the empty bag. My grandmother had many children. Therefore, the whole village knew about these visits by Jewish children. But no one betrayed my grandmother!
      Quote: Tatiana
      Poland refuses to admit that it was as it was before WWII, in Churchill's words, "the hyena of Europe",

      The history of Poland before WWII is no better (but not worse !!) than the history of Hungary or Romania .. etc.
      By the way about Churchill lol Whose cow would moo ... He called Poland the hyena of Europe ... whereas Britain was the hyena of the whole world.

      Nikolay -Low to the ground bow to your Grandmother - from all our people !!!!!
  • Flooding
    Flooding 30 March 2021 11: 01
    +9
    Quote: vl903
    I believe that not all Poles are like that!

    Front Brotherhood
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 March 2021 11: 26
      +9
      Quote: Flood
      Front Brotherhood

      In fact, you can talk about THREE Polish armies in WW2. Army of Ludov, Army of Home and Army "named after Pan Hytler"
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 March 2021 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: NDR-791
        In fact, you can talk about THREE Polish armies in WW2. Army of Ludov, Army of Home and Army "named after Pan Hytler"

        You just forgot about those two armies created on the territory of the USSR, these are the 1st and 2nd armies of the Polish Army that participated in the Berlin offensive, and parts of the 2nd army were also involved in the Prague operation.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 30 March 2021 11: 55
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          You just forgot about those two armies created on the territory of the USSR, these are the 1st and 2nd armies of the Polish Army that participated in the Berlin offensive, and parts of the 2nd army were also involved in the Prague operation.

          I have not forgotten at all. But these are units of the Army of Ludova, reorganized as Poland was liberated - in fact, Polish red partisans. They are here in the photo of Navodlom above.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 30 March 2021 12: 25
            +1
            Quote: NDR-791
            But these are units of the Army of Ludova, reorganized as Poland was liberated - in fact, Polish red partisans.

            The First Polish Army was formed on the basis of the 1st Polish Corps in the spring of 1944. And the liberation of Poland began at the beginning of 1945.
            One of my grandmother's brothers was a battalion commander in the 1st Polish Corps. They were good warriors and councilors devoted to the country.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 30 March 2021 19: 38
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              They were good warriors and councilors devoted to the country.

              You are absolutely right: in any country of the world (without exception) at all times there have been and are different people with different opinions. Including in Russia in the Second World War there were patriots loyal to the Soviet Motherland, but there were also Vlasovites with collaborator-traitors. There are both in Russia today.
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 30 March 2021 20: 38
              +3
              And the liberation of Poland began at the beginning of 1945.

              It just did not begin, but ended. It all began in the fall of 1944.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 30 March 2021 23: 07
                +1
                Quote: Aviator_
                It didn’t begin, but it ended. It all began in the fall of 1944.

                Bent over, exactly.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 30 March 2021 11: 28
    +3
    the last 500 years ... a part of Poland has been consistently filthy

    And not only in filth. No wonder W. Churchill called Poland the hyena of Europe, and the French called Poland a marauder who robbed the dead on the battlefield.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 30 March 2021 19: 10
      +3
      Quote: The Truth
      and the French called Poland a marauder who plundered the dead on the battlefield.

      An interesting fact about the robbery of the deceased. After the liberation of the concentration camps in which Jews were kept, local Poles-peasants dug up all the territory of the camps in search of gold, which was hidden by the imprisoned Jews in the hope of salvation. And how did those who lived near the camps get rich during their operation ?! The locals almost forcibly sent their wives and daughters to the camps, so that with their bodies they earned from the guards, Poles and Ukrainians, gold crowns, dentures and other trifles that they stole from their owners in the camps. The villages adjacent to the camps simply flourished on Jewish gold. Jan Tomasz Gross described these phenomena in detail in his books. Once he said: "The Poles were rightfully proud of the resistance of their society to the Nazis, but in reality during the war they killed more Jews than Germans ...."
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 22: 58
      0
      Quote: The Truth
      and the French called Poland a marauder who plundered the dead on the battlefield.

      And the French who attacked Russia were kindness itself.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 30 March 2021 18: 56
    +2
    Quote: vl903
    I believe that not all Poles are like that!

    Unfortunately, those who are "not like that" are so few that they are not heard in public and political life, and are not represented at all in parliament. In general, Poland throughout its independent life since 1918 was extremely nationalistic, no worse than Hitler's Germany, and exterminated national minorities, and especially Jews, selflessly. Actually, not to a small extent thanks to this, such an organization as the OUN appeared. There were Jewish pogroms even after her liberation from the Germans in 1945. In 1941, in Jedwabne and the surrounding area, the Poles massacred and burned Jews without the participation of the Germans in the most brutal manner. And under the Germans, they diligently handed them over, especially those who escaped from prison, to the occupation authorities. So it can be confidently asserted that the Poles actively and willingly participated in the extermination of Jews on their territory.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 23: 51
      -4
      Quote: Hagen
      There were Jewish pogroms even after her liberation from the Germans in 1945.

      Was the Soviet government having fun? Not good.
      Quote: Hagen
      In 1941, in Jedwabne and the surrounding area, the Poles massacred and burned Jews without the participation of the Germans.

      Was it in the General Government or in the Reichskommissariat that the people were disbanded?
      Quote: Hagen
      So we can confidently assert that the Poles actively and willingly participated in the extermination of Jews on their territory.

      Someone participated, someone did not. And what is the discovery?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 31 March 2021 07: 43
        +3
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Was the Soviet government having fun? Not good.

        Technologies of political processes are not for you. What Soviet power. There was only the initial formation of the design of the NDP. And he was having fun there, As you say, the ordinary Polish people, at times provoked by the remnants of the local reactionary bourgeoisie.
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Was it in the General Government or in the Reichskommissariat that the people were disbanded?

        If you are not in the know, I will explain. Jedvabne is a small town located in 1941 on the territory of the western part of the BSSR, which joined the BSSR in 1939. In the period between the departure of the KA and the establishment of the occupation power of Nazi Germany, the local population decided to "show their attitude" towards the Jews, with whom they lived for more than a decade.
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Someone participated, someone did not. And what is the discovery?

        Yes, there were those who did not actively participate. There were not only those who would try to stop the carnage. That is, those who did not participate sympathized with the participants and encouraged them by their inaction. What kind of discovery do you want on these events, repeatedly described in historical documents and research? Judging by your mockery, you are indifferent to this page of Polish history. Are you ready to support the Polish outrage and call the mention of their participation in the Holocaust libel?
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 08: 35
          -4
          Quote: Hagen
          amused there, As you say, the ordinary Polish people, at times provoked by the remnants of the local reactionary bourgeoisie.

          How interesting. Under Soviet rule, there was generally plenty of space for the bourgeoisie.
          And how, by the way, did the Polish people - the God-bearer - find the Jews in 46? After the purposeful, hard to deny, work of the German side?
          Quote: Hagen
          the local population decided to "show their attitude" to the Jews, with whom they lived for more than a decade.

          And, well, that is, while there was a Polish state - they spat in the soup to the Jews, but how did the Soviet government come and take all decent people to Siberia or into the woods - the local scum got loose and the Jews began to slaughter? You are right, it was so, but why on earth would a claim for this to the Poles? Did the Sikorsky government teach them?
          Quote: Hagen
          There were not only those who would try to stop the carnage

          We read the article in the righteous people of the world wiki. There are the maximum number of Poles. A smaller number, but a larger percentage of the righteous in Northern Europe. There are many Ukrainians.

          There are almost no Russians.

          Quote: Hagen
          your mockery, you are indifferent to this page of Polish history

          That's putting it mildly.
          Quote: Hagen
          Are you ready to support the Polish outrage and call the mention of their participation in the Holocaust libel?

          Naturally. The situation with Gradovsky and Malinovsky, which caused a fountain of shit from Masha Gesen, is slander. A certain gentleman writes that such and such sent Jews to the camps, and thereby symbolizes the historical guilt of the Polish people and the Polish state (lol, what !?). At the same time, the grounds for such a statement are the memories of a lady 50 years ago. It is obviously impossible to prove something in court.

          Naturally, if you declare that such and such is a criminal, while it is obviously impossible to prove this, this is slander and his relatives may ask you. If the grandfather were alive, it would be possible to attach a progressive historian to the prison.

          By the way, the difference with the stories about Navalny and Karagordin, which Gessen also dragged along, is obvious to anyone except a progressive journalist.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 31 March 2021 16: 45
            +1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Naturally, if you declare that such and such is a criminal, while it is obviously impossible to prove this, this is slander and his relatives may ask you.

            I will answer briefly: you have no serious knowledge either in history or in jurisprudence. And it is difficult to communicate with absolute amateurs. You have distortions in the conceptual apparatus.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 17: 47
              -1
              Quote: Hagen
              you have no serious knowledge either in history or in jurisprudence. And it is difficult to communicate with absolute amateurs.

              Yes, yes, I quite understand you.

              Drain protected.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 31 March 2021 20: 00
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Drain protected.

                When you write that "... the grounds for such a statement are the memories of a lady 50 years ago ...", it demonstrates that: firstly, you have no idea what a "statement of a crime," secondly, you simply do not have texture, i.e. have no idea in what formulations the information in the book was presented. What to talk to you about ?!
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 20: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Hagen
                  have no idea in what formulations the information in the book was presented

                  No, I can't imagine. I'm not too interested in this whole story, and I'm not going to look for primary sources in Polish ..
                  I am guided by the article of Gessen, proceeding from the fact that it is on the side of the historian, so if it is lying, then in his favor.

                  Gessen writes that Gradovsky in one of his works stated that Malinovsky gave Jews to the Nazis. The grounds for such a statement are the memories (judging by the context, in private correspondence) of a certain lady of Jewish origin, whom Malinovsky saved from the Gestapo. There are materials from two courts. At the post-war period, the applicant stated that Malinovskiy had helped Jews. On the modern day, it was recognized that Granovsky's sketch was slander. All participants in the events, as far as can be understood, died.

                  This combination of circumstances convinces me.

                  As for libel. Is it possible to research, for example, on the rape of German women? Of course available. But if, in the course of the research, the author allows you to give personal data - he raped such and such, was called by such and such a military enlistment office - then it would be nice to have evidence. If there is no evidence, yes, it is quite an option to answer for the words in court.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 31 March 2021 20: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    I'm not too interested in this whole story

                    Well, why then "tear the vest"? Not interesting - passed by ... But you unsubscribed. So something is wrong with you ...
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    I am focusing on the article Hesse

                    So you are interested in Hesse? With its prehistoric outbursts. Well, whoever is closer to that, he focuses on that.
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    then it would be nice to have proof. If there is no evidence, yes, it is quite an option to answer for the words in court.

                    Do you know what proof of rape is? Well, good luck ... laughing I am more and more convinced that first impressions are not deceiving. You would not be engaged in other people's affairs, in which not belmes ...
                  2. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 22: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Well, why then "tear the vest"?

                    Who am I? You seem to have misheard my intonation.
                    Quote: Hagen
                    So something is wrong with you ...

                    Not this way? Why would you? And on the occasion I passed by - you see, I have a dislike for both progressive journalists, like Masha Gessen, and for patriotic fighters against Poland.
                    Quote: Hagen
                    So you are interested in Hesse?

                    I have already unsubscribed about the Gessen article below in the thread. It just so happened that Mr. Polonsky decided to comment on it for some reason. It was not I who advised him. So I had to read it.
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Do you know what proof of rape is?

                    Do you want to tell me something about the forensic examination of the events of 45? Do not hesitate, please.
                  3. Hagen
                    Hagen April 1 2021 19: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    I, you see, have a dislike ... for patriotic fighters with Poland.

                    I, in turn, have the same feeling for the sect of the Institute of National Remembrance. So we decided.
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Do you want to tell me something about the forensic examination of the events of 45? Do not hesitate, please.

                    No. I do not want. For it is useless. Your rejection of historical realities is irrational. It makes no sense to explain to you the causes and consequences of the events of those years. You do not accept the Russian view of history ... Your right. But that's why you are not my interlocutor on this topic ...
  • Civil
    Civil 30 March 2021 10: 45
    .
    Was Poland during the Holocaust? Wasn't the governors general in different parts?
    Apparently this is a competition among politicians to dig up a flight attendant for 80 years ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: Civil
      Was Poland during the Holocaust? Wasn't the governors general in different parts?

      I wonder what peoples lived on the territory of the governor-general? I always thought it was Poles, Ukrainians and Jews.
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 30 March 2021 11: 48
      -3
      the West and the Liberals are constantly digging up the stewardess, and even more than in 80 years.
      Why is it possible for them, but not for us?
      Are you a Russophobe?
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 30 March 2021 13: 37
        +5
        In the Polish press, before joining the EU, 5000000 (five million) Poles were bragging with might and main who served the Germans with weapons in their hands (it turns out that almost all the male population of Poles). The calculation was carried out by the Poles themselves, and there they included all those whom the Germans raked into the army from those lands that the Poles considered * Polish *, up to those that fell to the Poles after 1945. By the way, AK (army kraiova) was also included in this list. It is now the Poles who are embarrassed and in every possible way disown both those who were drafted into the Wehrmacht and the SS men, policemen and those who served in concentration camps.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 23: 54
          -1
          Quote: Vasily50
          The Polish press, before joining the EU, boasted 5000000 (five million) with might and main

          Excuse me, do you read Polish? Where did you see such reminders? And why would the rest of Europe like such things? Germans, it seems, do not like it when someone resembles the 40s.
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 31 March 2021 11: 50
          0
          By the way, AK (army kraiova) was also included in this list.
          By the way Battalions hlopske which were part of the Home Army, distinguished themselves by the extermination of both Jews and Ukrainians.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 30 March 2021 10: 16
    +16
    The Germans considered Poles drafted into the Wehrmacht only until the fall of 1943. Then from the Polish Upper Silesia and Pomerania, which were annexed to the Reich, 200 thousand soldiers arrived. However, recruitment to the Wehrmacht lasted for another year and on a much larger scale. The most sensational scandal associated with this happened with Donald Tusk, the ex-prime minister of Poland and the president of the European Union. Tusk famously lied that "both of his grandfathers ended up in concentration camps for resisting the Nazis." Soon there was information that his paternal grandfather, Joseph Tusk, volunteered for the SS...
    ... From the reports of the representative office of the Polish government in occupied Poland, it follows that by the end of 1944, about 450 thousand citizens of pre-war Poland were drafted into the Wehrmacht. In general, we can assume that about half a million passed through the German army during the war. "
    Professor Ryszard Kaczmarek, Director of the Institute of History, University of Silesia, from the book "Poles in the Wehrmacht"
    Well, if you look from a purely legal point of view, then, as always, they are not to blame - Poland as a state did not exist at that time. Another "And we are for sho ???"
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 30 March 2021 10: 46
      +12
      Moreover, the Poles believe that the Second World War began with the invasion of the Germans and Russians into Poland.
      but that's a lie.
      World War II began with the invasion of the Czech Republic by Germany and its ally Poland.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 March 2021 11: 06
        -3
        Quote: Dodikson
        Moreover, the Poles believe that the Second World War began with the invasion of the Germans and Russians into Poland.

        laughing
        Why not from the Italians' invasion of Abyssinia? Or from the Mukden incident? Why not consider WWII as a continuation of WWII at all?
        Quote: Dodikson
        from the invasion of Germany and its ally Poland

        How frightened are they allies? And the Reich and the USSR are also allies as a result of the signing of the MR pact? Or # is that something else?
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 30 March 2021 11: 19
          0
          states and the West in general write that WWII was unleashed by Hitler and Stalin.
          why can't we write that it was unleashed by Hitler and Moscitsky?
          Or # is that something else?
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 30 March 2021 11: 43
            +2
            Quote: Dodikson
            why can't we write that it was unleashed by Hitler and Moscitsky?

            If, taking into account the Axis countries, then for example, China quite reasonably considers the beginning of the Second World War 07.07.1937. with the invasion of the yapps in Manjuria. Moreover, the end of the Sino-Japanese war is still the same 1945 and we knocked them out of Manjuria
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 30 March 2021 11: 46
              +1
              + a lot.
              and the West considers the beginning of WWII to be an attack on Poland because they gave guarantees to Poland, and if we admit that WWII began from the moment of the invasion of the Czech Republic, it turns out that they gave guarantees to Hitler's ally, which was not comme il faut. they also turned out to be off-white.
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 30 March 2021 11: 51
                +1
                Quote: Dodikson
                if we admit that the beginning of WWII was from the moment of the invasion of the Czech Republic, it turns out that they gave guarantees to Hitler's ally, which was, as it were, not comme il faut

                And there is. And we agreed with this date. I think because Poland has become, as it were, an ally after the victory. A 01.09. the date of the attack on the ally was quite satisfactory for historians
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 30 March 2021 11: 53
                  0
                  Yes, ours not only agreed to this in order to whitewash Poland, which became an ally, but also "forgot" the Polish armies and the participation of the Poles in the Holocaust.
                  the politics of motherhood.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 March 2021 11: 58
            +1
            Quote: Dodikson
            states and the West in general write that WWII was unleashed by Hitler and Stalin.

            Stalin did not untie. The Reich brought the corpse of the former Poland to his doorstep.
            Quote: Dodikson
            why can't we write that it was unleashed by Hitler and Moscitsky?

            Counter offer - let's split WWII into many wars in general - German-Czechoslovak, Polish-Czech, German-Polish, Soviet-Finnish, German-Norwegian, Italian-Greek, Italian-English, Soviet-German Pacific (we will also split it into Japanese- Dutch, Japanese-American and Japanese-English, Japanese-Vietnamese, Japanese-Soviet). And all disputes about dates and perpetrators will end.
          3. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 30 March 2021 23: 55
            -1
            Quote: Dodikson
            states and the West in general write that WWII was unleashed by Hitler and Stalin.

            The states are a little under pressure on this, and the position you mentioned is the official position of the European Parliament. So it's somehow too late to argue about this.
    2. gurzuf
      gurzuf 30 March 2021 10: 51
      0
      If memory serves, then only at Stalingrad + -10 thousand Poles were captured.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 11: 49
      0
      Quote: NDR-791
      From the reports of the representative office of the Polish government in occupied Poland, it follows that by the end of 1944, about 450 thousand citizens of pre-war Poland were drafted into the Wehrmacht.

      And the Poles in the Wehrmacht enjoyed the same rights as the Germans, in contrast to all other Calaborationists.
  • Professor
    Professor 30 March 2021 10: 17
    +24
    Do not wash the Poles no matter how many laws they pass. There is blood on their hands and they still live in the houses of the Jews they killed. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 30 March 2021 10: 26
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      There is blood on their hands and they still live in the houses of the Jews they killed.

      Respected! And weren't there Jews in the SS? Didn't the Jews kill Jews, even if indirectly?
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 30 March 2021 10: 51
        -2


        this is a photo of the ideal German soldier.
        Meet Werner Goldberg, a true Aryan whose dad was not Aryan at all.
        any competent historian knows about 300+ thousand Jews in the Wehrmacht
        1. Professor
          Professor 30 March 2021 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: Dodikson


          this is a photo of the ideal German soldier.
          Meet Werner Goldberg, a true Aryan whose dad was not Aryan at all.
          any competent historian knows about 300+ thousand Jews in the Wehrmacht

          So you are not an educated and not a historian. Start with the fact that the Jewish population of Germany before the war was 600. Do you think that all men, from newborns to the very old, served in the Wehrmacht? That is, there were 000 full Jewish divisions in the Wehrmacht?
          Maybe first think with your head and then you will not spread fakes?
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 30 March 2021 12: 43
            -4
            if you start to raise the numbers, then in all territories where the Reich was, there will not be 6 million (including children and the elderly) Jews, not to mention the fact that 6 million Jews would be killed in concentration camps alone
            1. Professor
              Professor 30 March 2021 12: 54
              -3
              Quote: Dodikson
              if you start to raise the numbers, then in all territories where the Reich was, there will not be 6 million (including children and the elderly) Jews, not to mention the fact that 6 million Jews would be killed in concentration camps alone

              Pick up the numbers, my young Holocaust denier. Start with Poland, where before the war there were 3,474,000 Jews, and after the war there were 300 left. That is, 000% of the Jews left for Australia. It seems that this is how it is customary for you to parry these numbers?
              You did not answer me about the 300 Jews in the Wehrmacht. How is this possible with the entire Jewish population of Germany in 600 000 525,000?
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 30 March 2021 13: 06
                0
                these figures were raised many times, and there was nothing to answer to those like you, and therefore, using connections and positions in the government such as you, they forbade challenging the Holocaust under the threat of criminal prosecution.
                if the numbers for you (not for you personally) converged, there would be no need for intimidation.
                but now yes, anyone who sees the truth is afraid to raise it, for the judgment, the broken life and the stigma until death
                I will tell you a secret, my Yuny unhistoric, most of the Jews quietly left the territories controlled by the Reich long before the persecution began.
                there remained "half-breeds", which the purebreds (not Aryans) calmly gave into the expense.
                this topic has already been raised many times. look for information about those who sponsored Hitler zoooooo before they found out about him outside of one single pub. you will discover a lot of interesting things
                at the same time you will find the statement of Woodrow Wilson (do you know who owns the FRS and what does the FRS and Woodrow Wilson have to do with it?) that Germany was deliberately allowed to pay reparations in stamps and that Germany still needs to fight with Russia, and if they do not want to, then they need help in this ...
                what for ? and Wilson talked about this, and the head of Stratfor talked about it constantly in his interviews.
                and what intuition tells me that the head of Stratfor knows a lot more than you
                1. borberd
                  borberd 30 March 2021 15: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  these numbers were raised many times, and there was nothing to answer to people like you

                  Figures taken from the ceiling, have no evidence base. The Arabs at one time very actively sponsored the bawlers of deniers. There are studies by historians based on the testimony of Holocaust survivors. There are documents seized during the war. They are believed.
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  such as you have banned from challenging the Holocaust under threat of criminal prosecution.

                  And rightly so, the number of those who like to make money on denial of the Holocaust dropped sharply, especially after the planting of too stubborn Nazis. After having smashed their arguments in the courts. You, too, as I see, do not give the theme of the Second World War to all sorts of "kolya from the Urengoy" with their little hands. And of course they do not give such airtime on state channels. Are you intimidating too?
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  anyone who sees the truth is afraid to raise it, for judgment, a broken life and a stigma until death

                  What is the truth? Any truth can be misinterpreted, which is what the Nazis and their followers did after the war. "The more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they will believe in it" (Goebbels). Brands were already on them. Take at least the same Duke.
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  Most of the Jews quietly left the territory controlled by the Reich long before the start of the persecution.

                  Lies. A small part of the German Jews left, that's all. The rest, in the territory occupied by the Nazis, simply did not know that these creatures should be feared. My grandmother told me that they and their neighbors did not leave because during the First World War, the Germans did not kill civilians. As a result, the entire grandmother's huge family was killed. She alone survived.
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  at the same time you will find the statement of Woodrow Wilson (do you know who owns the Fed and what does the Fed and Woodrow Wilson have to do with it?

                  I don't even want to comment on this nonsense. fool
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 30 March 2021 15: 26
                    -3
                    Monsieur, you will tell fairy tales to someone else.
                    because the Holocaust was banned not to the Arabs, but to everyone, it was banned only in Europe and only this topic, my great-grandmother was a Polish Jew and why did our relatives know from the very beginning.
                    including what needs to be dumped.
                    another thing is that the rabbi did not want to lose power (for once they were kings in the ghetto, and then oops, they stopped and became ordinary) and told that everything would be okay. but it didn’t work.
                    1. borberd
                      borberd 30 March 2021 15: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Dodikson
                      Monsieur, you will tell fairy tales to someone else.
                      because it was forbidden about the Holocaust not to the Arabs, but to everyone, it was banned only in Europe and only this topic

                      Musya, don't kill yourself like that, you won't kill yourself like that. From 1945 to 2010, it meant it was possible, and then the law was adopted, they don't give money on free Arab grants, they are dragged into the jail by the monsters. Ie 65 years was it possible?
                      Quote: Dodikson
                      including what needs to be dumped.

                      Nobody knew, the city was captured after 2 weeks of the war. Stirred 2 days before the capture, when the bombing began.
                      Quote: Dodikson
                      the rebbe did not want to waste power

                      And what have the rabbis got to do with it?
                      1. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 30 March 2021 16: 42
                        -1
                        Go on, don't kill yourself, otherwise the Arabs until 2010 simply adored Jews and kept silent from the great dedophilia.
                        Pusya Rialne thinks that the Arabs came up with the revisionists? I will upset you with a little bit, they appeared in the mid-90s after part of the archives were declassified in the USSR.
                        and then a wave of revisionists went and they reached such a level that in Europe they thought that one of the myths would be too destructive for the hegemon.
                        and another pusik, I will reveal to you a great secret why the Germans did not touch the Jews in WWI and why the Jews knew even BEFORE WWII that they would be touched.
                        1) PMV was not anti-Semitic, they fought there for a completely different reason, although Gavrila Principle was also sponsored from overseas from banks with owners with Jewish surnames (like Leiba Bronstein, I believe that Pusik will master Brin's Google and find the names of Leiba's cousins ​​and will find the banks owned by these names, otherwise someone really convinces that Ulyanov made the revolution with the money of the Deutsche).
                        2) in Germany, even 6 years before the start of WWII, there was an anti-Semitic policy, when Jews were fired and their property was taken away, weddings and cohabitation with them were prohibited, business was nationalized, their book was burned and it was a night of crystal knives, then an association for their deportation.
                        all this was heard, on such a rumor that in 1933 in the League of Nations a department for them was created and in 1938 a conference of 32 countries was held where they thought about what to do with Jewish refugees.
                        And only as the little pusichka and prahffessar convince me, the Polish Jews did not know all this (they lived in the village along the way, they did not know the news, spent 7 years in the dark), and thought that the whole anti-Semitic state would not do anything to them.
                        darkness ...
                        And this, I know from Jewish relatives from Poland and western Ukraine that those who did not obey the Judenrat and did not go to the ghetto survived, including my great-grandmother. and those who obeyed and went voluntarily to the ghetto died after a couple of years (by the way, none of them died in a concentration camp).
                      2. borberd
                        borberd 30 March 2021 17: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        Go on, don't kill yourself, otherwise the Arabs until 2010 simply adored Jews and kept silent from the great dedophilia.
                        Pusya Rialne thinks that the Arabs came up with the revisionists? I will upset you with a little bit, they appeared in the mid-90s after part of the archives were declassified in the USSR.
                        and then a wave of revisionists went and they reached such a level that in Europe they thought that one of the myths would be too destructive for the hegemon.

                        Musya, you are making me laugh. The only thing I said about the Arabs was that they supported the deniers with a hard coin. You built a whole sand bungalow on this one. Be assured, deniers appeared long before the 90s, and allegedly declassified archives. If you have not been banned from Google, then the first link about deniers gives a list of racists, Nazis, psychos, some of them are even former SS-sheep (who would have doubted).
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        PMV was not anti-Semitic, they fought there for a completely different reason

                        You are the captain of the obvious, diligently trying to hang bananas on the date palm. Why are you writing this, it is not clear.
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        2) in Germany, even 6 years before the start of WWII, there was an anti-Semitic policy, when Jews were fired and their property was taken away, weddings and cohabitation with them were prohibited, business was nationalized, their book was burned and it was a night of crystal knives, then an association for their deportation.
                        all this was heard, on such a rumor that in 1933 in the League of Nations a department for them was created and in 1938 a conference of 32 countries was held where they thought about what to do with Jewish refugees.
                        And only as the little pusichka and prahffessar convince me, the Polish Jews did not know all this (they lived in the village along the way, they did not know the news, spent 7 years in the dark), and thought that the whole anti-Semitic state would not do anything to them.

                        There were no tyrnets then, so if they read anything, then only Soviet newspapers. In which, of course, they did not write anything bad about Nazi Germany, because until June 22, 41 they were allies. And the fact that somewhere in the League of Nations, someone was sitting, it was about nothing at all. Tell me about the latest UN meetings, and there are hundreds of them a year. And of course, the peasants, and my grandmother's family kept a herd of cows, were not interested in politics and did not read the news. They worked hard and hard on the land, and not on the Internet they read Irving and Duke, like you. There were no ghettos in my city, the SS Sonderkommando and local policemen just came and they killed everyone. I don't know where you are that nonsense that you are picking up here, but honestly, turn on your head. Because it is difficult to understand the stream of your consciousness.
                      3. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 30 March 2021 18: 42
                        -1
                        Pusik, I will tell you a secret, tyrnets are not needed for this.
                        even if in the states they knew without tyrnet, then in neighboring Poland everyone knew everything even earlier than they found out in the states and Uruguay.
                        And do you really think that the little thing and your relatives are stupid, that they did not understand that nothing good was expected from the Germans-Nazis, and not the Poles (although this in the future, too) did not expect anything good?
                        everyone understood everything perfectly, but they believed the rabbi that they were not deceiving. and they just needed the Jews to live in the ghetto as before and be under their supervision.
                        and then they began to destroy everyone. For the Germans did not go far.
                        and ischo, the revisionists as a phenomenon, and a reasoned phenomenon appeared only in the 90s.
                        because if they appeared at a time when the USSR was still "alive", they would have been banned even earlier.
                        well, as under the USSR, Zionism was banned, which was recognized as a fascist movement.
            2. Professor
              Professor 30 March 2021 15: 48
              +1
              You did not answer me about the 300 Jews in the Wehrmacht. How is this possible with the entire Jewish population of Germany at 000 if from your words
              Quote: Dodikson
              Most of the Jews quietly left the territory controlled by the Reich long before the start of the persecution.
              ?
              You will answer and let's go further.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 30 March 2021 16: 48
                -4
                so some, like the one in the photo, were not pure Jews and were listed as Germans, and then, as they got shocked, they remembered that they were Jews, like it was with Robert Borchardt
                1. Professor
                  Professor 30 March 2021 19: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  so some, like the one in the photo, were not pure Jews and were listed as Germans, and then, as they got shocked, they remembered that they were Jews, like it was with Robert Borchardt

                  Doesn't fit. Once again: How is it possible 300 Jews in the Wehrmacht with the entire Jewish population of Germany in 000 if from your words "bMost of the Jews quietly left the territories controlled by the Reich long before the start of the persecution."?
                  Explain on your fingers so I can’t reach how the Jews in Germany have the largest conscription percentage in the world?
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 30 March 2021 20: 00
                    -2
                    So the Mishlings were many times more than the official Jews. For whom did Borchardt give an example?
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 30 March 2021 20: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    So the Mishlings were many times more than the official Jews. For whom did Borchardt give an example?

                    So we are no longer talking about 300 Jews in the Wehrmacht? Did I understand you correctly?
                  3. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 30 March 2021 20: 26
                    -3
                    hmm, I certainly suspected that you are bad with the Russian language, but that would be so much.
                    You'd better be on waronline if they can explain the meaning of what has been written, if someone himself understands.
                  4. Professor
                    Professor 31 March 2021 06: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    hmm, I certainly suspected that you are bad with the Russian language, but that would be so much.
                    You'd better be on waronline if they can explain the meaning of what has been written, if someone himself understands.

                    I have always argued that there are no intelligent anti-Semites in nature. So again and slowly.
                    You claim that the Wehrmacht troops had 300 JEWS with a total Jewish population of Germany of 525 people. You also state that "most of the Jews (minimum 262 out of 500) calmly left the territories controlled by the Reich long before the start of the persecution ". Attention question: How 262 500 JEWS could (where both old and young) supply the Wehrmacht with 300 JEWISH conscripts?
                  5. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 31 March 2021 11: 31
                    -1
                    but I am convinced that there are fools among the Jews.
                    firstly, the story is my hobby, and if because of revisionism I am an anti-Semite, then I am still an anti-French, anti-Turkish, anti-Turkish and anti-Brazilian .... and also anti-Spanish, the Spanish Inquisition has become very disgraceful in America.
                    but you continue to consider ALL Russian anti-Semites, for it was the USSR that proved that Zionism is a kind of fascism.
                    and you are a banal fascist.
                    further, it is difficult for you as an illiterate to understand that there were MORE than 525 thousand Jews. the word mishlingi turned out to be too difficult for you, and using a computer is already an overwhelming task. otherwise they would have known that the half-breeds who were NOT included in those same 525 thousand were many times more than the Akhfitsa Ibrews.
                    The photo of the "ideal Aryan", whose dad was not at all an Aryan, could not be processed by your Mosk.
                    for you were uploaded with photos, and they wrote about Mishlings, and even switched to a rude language using the word "half-breeds", gave an example with Borchardt, but you still do not have enough gray matter to understand what they are writing to you.
                    buy yourself a better coloring book, this is your level along the way.
                    By the way, I'm glad that you only clung to the figure of 300 thousand, and not to the fact that thousands and thousands of Jews (and yes, I did not refuse the figure of 300 thousand) served in the Wehrmacht.
                    by the way, 10 thousand Jews were captured by the Soviet Union (the bulk, like Borchardt, surrendered to the Allies), but for fascists like you, they became a victim of the Holocaust
                  6. Professor
                    Professor 31 March 2021 12: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    but I am convinced that there are fools among the Jews.

                    Among the Jews there are both smart and fools, but among the anti-Semites there are no smart ones. Do not come across at all. request

                    Quote: Dodikson
                    firstly, the story is my hobby, and if because of revisionism I am an anti-Semite, then I am still an anti-French, anti-Turkish, anti-Turkish and anti-Brazilian .... and also anti-Spanish, the Spanish Inquisition has become very disgraceful in America.
                    but you continue to consider ALL Russian anti-Semites, for it was the USSR that proved that Zionism is a kind of fascism.

                    You are also a liar.
                    1) The USSR never proved that Zionism (the desire of Jews to live in their own country) is a "kind of fascism".
                    2) ALL Russians have nothing to do with your fantasies about the USSR. Is Yevtushenko an anti-Semite? wink
                    3) To what exactly you are an anti-Semite ALL Russians also have nothing to do. This is your personal park.

                    Quote: Dodikson
                    further, it is difficult for you as an illiterate to understand that there were MORE than 525 thousand Jews. the word mishlingi turned out to be too difficult for you, and using a computer is already an overwhelming task. otherwise they would have known that the half-breeds who were NOT included in those same 525 thousand were many times more than the Akhfitsa Ibrews.

                    From the fact that you distort the word "Jew" nothing changes. There is still no answer.
                    Officially, 525 Jews lived in Germany before the war. It is difficult to suspect the Germans in correct calculations, and no one has denied this figure.
                    You claim that "most of JEWS (minimum 262 out of 500) calmly left the territories controlled by the Reich long before the start of the persecution". I do not even ask where they all went. Let it be conditionally on Mars, since they do not appear in the immigration statistics of any country.
                    That is, according to you, at the beginning of the war in Germany there were about 262 JEWS... You also claim that "about 300+ thousand JEWS in the Wehrmacht knows any competent historian". A natural question arises how did 262 Jews give the Wehrmacht more than 500 soldiers? 30 full JEWISH infantry divisions.

                    Quote: Dodikson
                    By the way, I'm glad that you only clung to the figure of 300 thousand, and not to the fact that thousands and thousands of Jews (and yes, I did not refuse the figure of 300 thousand) served in the Wehrmacht.

                    "Cow-cow" (פָּרָה-פָּרָה) as we say in Hebrew. We will first deal with the 300 JEWS in the Wehrmacht and only then we will move on to other figures.

                    Quote: Dodikson
                    by the way, 10 thousand Jews were captured by the Soviet Union (the bulk, like Borchardt, surrendered to the Allies), but for fascists like you, they became a victim of the Holocaust

                    We will definitely talk about the Hungarian JEWS (whose families were destroyed in Auschwitz), forcibly hijacked for construction work by the Germans and subsequently captured by the Soviet Union. Although history is not my hobby, I have links to documents for 5 amateur historians. Let's finish with the 300 JEWS in the Wehrmacht first. And mind you, I don't even require any links from you. wink
                  7. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 31 March 2021 14: 08
                    -2
                    You do not know the history of your country, let alone the history of your people
                    In 1975, the UN General Assembly adopted a principled decision to condemn Zionism as a form of racism and racial discrimination. The grounds for the adoption of Resolution No. 3379 of November 10, 1975 were the daily inhuman and repressive practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. Then the UN, and earlier other international organizations and conferences, condemned the criminal alliance of Zionism and the South African apartheid regime, Israel's racist policy in the occupied Arab territories, defined Zionism as a threat to all humanity and called on all peoples of the world to resist this misanthropic ideology. UN Resolution 3379, which qualifies Zionism as a form of racism, is not built on an empty space - it is the result of a series of resolutions adopted by the General Assembly itself. All of these resolutions condemned Israel's actions as racist, starting with GA Resolution 2546 of 1969, as well as other resolutions - 2727 of 1970, Resolution 3005 of 1972, Resolution 3092 of 1973, and Resolution 3246 of 1974. these resolutions condemn Israeli violations of human rights in the occupied Arab territories. This does not end there, as many other resolutions have been passed that condemn racism in Israel up to the present day. Resolution 3379 ranked Israel alongside apartheid states such as South Africa and Rhodesia, and ruled that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination. Similar resolutions have been adopted by various UN specialized agencies.


                    and the fact that Zionism and Judaism are fascist movements, we see on the example of a fascist like you. for you mishlings are not Jews, and they do not have to be counted. people like you consider only purebreds to be Jews, and you do not care about half-breeds, you do not consider them for people.
                    so don't give you materials, as a fascist you won't see them. how the OSCE did not see the torture of the Donbas militiamen with kaklami. just looked through the tortured and did not see. so you, look at the photo of the "ideal Aryan" and do not see a Jew
                  8. Professor
                    Professor 31 March 2021 17: 19
                    -1
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    In 1975, the UN General Assembly decided in principle to condemn Zionism as a form of racism and racial discrimination.

                    How did you all get confused in your head, however. Well, where is it here "Zionism is a variety fascism"? By the way, a history buff, why did you keep silent that the UN canceled this resolution?"

                    Quote: Dodikson
                    and the fact that Zionism and Judaism are fascist movements, we see on the example of a fascist like you. for you mishlings are not Jews, and they do not have to be counted. people like you consider only purebreds to be Jews, and you do not care about half-breeds, you do not consider them for people.

                    The resolution does not mention the word "fascism" at all. These are your wet fantasies.

                    Quote: Dodikson
                    so don't give you materials, as a fascist you won't see them. how the OSCE did not see the torture of the Donbas militiamen with kaklami. just looked through the tortured and did not see. so you, look at the photo of the "ideal Aryan" and do not see a Jew

                    What materials? The 300 Jews in the Wehrmacht are a figment of your imagination.

                    I am waiting for an answer to an elementary question, and you merge and go to rudeness. Indeed, one cannot so frankly confirm my thesis that there are no smart anti-Semites. wink

                    There is still no answer.
                    Officially, 525 Jews lived in Germany before the war. It is difficult to suspect the Germans in correct calculations, and no one has denied this figure.
                    You claim that "most of the JEWS (at least 262 out of 500) quietly left the territory controlled by the Reich long before the persecution began." I do NOT even ask where they all went. Let it be conditionally on Mars, since they do not appear in the immigration statistics of any country.
                    That is, according to you, at the beginning of the war in Germany there were about 262 Jews. You also claim that "any competent historian knows about 500+ thousand Jews in the Wehrmacht." A natural question arises how did 262 Jews give the Wehrmacht more than 500 soldiers? 30 full JEWISH infantry divisions.
  • Professor
    Professor 30 March 2021 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Professor
    There is blood on their hands and they still live in the houses of the Jews they killed.

    Respected! And weren't there Jews in the SS? Didn't the Jews kill Jews, even if indirectly?

    In the service of the SS there was no word "at all". There were only a few Jews in the third generation in the Wehrmacht. History is silent about how Jews killed Jews in the Holocaust. There were those who, saving their lives, handed Jews over to the Nazis. There was also Stella Goldschlag who sent about 600 people to the camps. In Poland, however, anti-Semitism was not isolated, but massive.

    Quote: Pavel73
    And it is no coincidence that many Jews with Polish surnames appeared in Russia. And with the German too. Because there was nowhere else to escape from the genocide.

    Jews in Russia appeared with the occupation of Poland royal mode.
    1. Pravodel
      Pravodel 30 March 2021 11: 33
      +5
      Jews in Russia appeared with the occupation of Poland by the tsarist regime.

      Dear professor, only not from the occupation of Poland, but from the partition of Poland between Austria, Prussia and Russia.
      1. Professor
        Professor 30 March 2021 12: 41
        -1
        Quote: The Truth
        Jews in Russia appeared with the occupation of Poland by the tsarist regime.

        Dear professor, only not from the occupation of Poland, but from the partition of Poland between Austria, Prussia and Russia.

        And what does Poland itself call it?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 March 2021 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      History is silent about how Jews killed Jews in the Holocaust.
      On September 21, 1939, in Berlin, under the leadership of Reinhard Heydrich, a meeting was held on the topic "The Jewish Question in the Occupied Territories."
      I wonder who was his dad, and who was with Adolf Eichmann, well, and the "back" of Hitler's lawyer, and then looking across Poland, Hans Michael Frank?
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 30 March 2021 13: 37
      +27
      Quote: Professor
      Jews in Russia appeared with the occupation of Poland by the tsarist regime.

      Again the king is to blame! request
      1. Professor
        Professor 30 March 2021 15: 54
        0
        Quote: Overlock
        Quote: Professor
        Jews in Russia appeared with the occupation of Poland by the tsarist regime.

        Again the king is to blame! request

        You know better again and not again. For me, this is his fault.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 30 March 2021 10: 28
    +2
    And it is no coincidence that many Jews with Polish surnames appeared in Russia. And with the German too. Because there was nowhere else to escape from the genocide.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 30 March 2021 10: 43
    0
    By the way, why didn't you hang Milch? Or if a Jew, then do not care that the field marshal?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 30 March 2021 10: 48
      0
      He was a mishlinge, that is, a German with an admixture of Jewish blood.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 March 2021 11: 51
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Do not wash the Poles no matter how many laws they pass. There is blood on their hands and they still live in the houses of the Jews they killed. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.

    Here the Professor cannot argue with you. What happened cannot be erased from human memory.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 30 March 2021 12: 02
    -2
    Quote: Professor
    Do not wash the Poles no matter how many laws they pass. There is blood on their hands and they still live in the houses of the Jews they killed. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.

    And here I will support Sokolov. You shouldn't forget this. hi
  • lucul
    lucul 30 March 2021 12: 40
    -2
    Do not wash the Poles no matter how many laws they pass. There is blood on their hands and they still live in the houses of the Jews they killed. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.

    Do you think? And I'll tell you that Russophobia is interrupted by the Holocaust. While Poland is pursuing a Russophobic policy, they turn a blind eye to its past. But as soon as Poland changes its Russophobic policy to Russophile, all the devils of the Second World War will be immediately hanged on it.
    So russophobia interrupts everything)))
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 March 2021 15: 51
      0
      Quote: lucul
      Do not wash the Poles no matter how many laws they pass. There is blood on their hands and they still live in the houses of the Jews they killed. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.

      Do you think? And I'll tell you that Russophobia is interrupted by the Holocaust. While Poland is pursuing a Russophobic policy, they turn a blind eye to its past. But as soon as Poland changes its Russophobic policy to Russophile, all the devils of the Second World War will be immediately hanged on it.
      So russophobia interrupts everything)))

      No, it doesn't interrupt. The Poles did not burn hundreds of thousands of Russian children in the stoves, they are not sitting in Russian houses now. Anti-Semitism is in their blood, as our president said, "they absorb it with their mother's milk."
      1. vl903
        vl903 30 March 2021 21: 05
        +1
        here I do not agree. long before the Jews, they drank blood well in the territories that are now considered Belarus and Ukraine, that is, Russian blood. Let not so many one-off, but in the total volume over hundreds of years, it is comparable.
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 00: 11
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Anti-Semitism is in their blood, as our president said, "they absorb it with their mother's milk."

        Do I understand you correctly that it is customary for your authorities to consider people of certain nationalities harmful from birth?
        1. Professor
          Professor 31 March 2021 06: 41
          +1
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Quote: Professor
          Anti-Semitism is in their blood, as our president said, "they absorb it with their mother's milk."

          Do I understand you correctly that it is customary for your authorities to consider people of certain nationalities harmful from birth?

          No, it is customary for us to call a spade a spade, and our president explained the upbringing of Poles where anti-Semitism is part of the culture.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 08: 38
            0
            Quote: Professor
            it is customary for us to call things by their proper names

            Seriously?
            Quote: Professor
            our president explained the upbringing of Poles where anti-Semitism is part of the culture.

            As I understand it, we are talking about the current one, Rivlen? If chatter about anti-Semitism was not a business for today's Jews, Mr. Rivelin would have long been engaged. Few have done more to raise this demon from hell than he.
            1. Professor
              Professor 31 March 2021 09: 01
              0
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Seriously?

              Yes.

              Quote: Cherry Nine
              As I understand it, we are talking about the current one, Rivlen? If chatter about anti-Semitism was not a business for today's Jews, Mr. Rivelin would have long been engaged. Few have done more to raise this demon from hell than he.

              Business on anti-Semitism? Please tell me how I can make money on the fact that I was personally infringed upon at one time on a national basis. How can my father earn money who was locked up to serve in the ZakVO and was not promoted openly giving a reason? How can my grandmother make money on the fact that she was not awarded the title of Honored Teacher, saying that “we have a lot of worthy national cadres in Ukraine”? Maybe my cousin, a gold medalist, can earn money from the fact that she got a bad mark at the entrance exam to the Odessa medina? Honestly, I am very interested.

              Mr. Ruvi Rivlin does not go into his pocket for a word and calls things by their proper names both in Israel itself and beyond its borders. Read the text of his speech in the Verkhovna Rada.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 09: 29
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Honestly, I'm very interested

                It's not hard. Here the mechanism is the same as with the Soviet / post-Soviet history about the victory over fascism or the hotly popular topic of black suffering in the United States since the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

                Yes, all sorts of shit happened in history. But these problems have long been resolved. You can live and cultivate your own garden. Most Jews, to their credit, are doing this.

                But many, unfortunately, want to scratch with their tongues who and how have been guilty before their people over the past 2 thousand years. This makes them feel more moral, or something. On this site you can see a lot of materials on the same topic, but usually not about Jews.

                One such figure is Mr. Rivlin. Yes, it was his speech in the Rada that I had in mind first of all. It is a pity that he was not beaten there a little and not expelled from the country in 12 hours. That would be a hype, so a hype, everyone would be delighted, including Mr. Rivlin.

                Leaving behind the fence, as part of the historical reconstruction, would probably be too much. All the same, a guest, no matter what.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 31 March 2021 10: 01
                  0
                  You have evaded the answer.
                  Business on anti-Semitism?
                  1. Please tell me how I can make money on the fact that I was personally infringed upon at one time on a national basis.
                  2. How can my father earn money who was locked to serve in the ZakVO and was not promoted openly giving a reason?
                  3. How can my grandmother make money on the fact that she was not awarded the title of Honored Teacher, saying that "we have many worthy national cadres in Ukraine"?
                  4. Maybe my cousin, a gold medalist, can earn money from the fact that she got a bad mark at the entrance exam to the Odessa medina?
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 10: 19
                    -1
                    Quote: Professor
                    You have evaded the answer.
                    Business on anti-Semitism?

                    )))
                    You somehow take the word "business" too in a Marxist way.
                    Quote: Professor
                    how can i make money on that

                    Personally, you - most likely not in any way. But politicians who are combing old sores can and do earn.

                    On the other hand, however, your interest in the topic of restitution paints you in a bad light.

                    In parentheses, I note that your complaints about the violation of human rights in the USSR cannot but touch. Yes, the USSR was a pretty nasty place.

                    And?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 31 March 2021 13: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      You somehow take the word "business" too in a Marxist way.

                      I checked the word "business" in the dictionary and found no lyrical meaning there.

                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Personally, you - most likely not in any way. But politicians who are combing old sores can and do earn.

                      That is, how can a Jew not make money on anti-Semitism and your statement "If chatter about anti-Semitism was not a business for today's Jews ..." is false?
                      Regarding the politician Ruby Rivlin, he became a member of the Knesset and President of Israel without ever mentioning the word anti-Semitism. Check in a search engine. So what is his business?

                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      On the other hand, however, your interest in the topic of restitution paints you in a bad light.

                      I am generally interested in this topic. I am only pointing out the fact of appropriation by the Poles (and not only by them) a stranger property.
                    2. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 13: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      I checked the word "business" in the dictionary and found no lyrical meaning there.

                      Do you have Russian with a dictionary? I'll keep it on mind.
                      Quote: Professor
                      became a member of the Knesset and President of Israel without ever mentioning the word anti-Semitism

                      Well, you never know. The national leader of a completely different country was also not interested in history 20 years ago, and then began to take an interest. There is a simple rule: if a politician leans on history, it is time to at least change.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Is the saying "If chatter about anti-Semitism were not business for today's Jews ..." is it false?

                      Of course not.

                      Yes, there have been characters in history who are considered national heroes - at least part of the nation - but who were far from holy people, including those along the lines of the Holocaust. Such were, for example, Petten, Piłsudski or Bandera associates. For a person defending Israel's interests, it would be wise not to exacerbate this century-old issue. At least visiting this very nation.

                      The womb-truth massacre has clearly not improved Israeli-Ukrainian relations. Therefore, who was Mr. Rivlin guided by when delivering his speech? Why are many - it seems, including you - so happy about his performance?
                      Quote: Professor
                      I am only pointing out the fact that the Poles (and not only them) have appropriated other people's property.

                      Who cares? You may have heard, since you lived in the USSR, that in those places the Soviet power soon appeared and decided the issues of property radically. Yes, the issue of restitution in Europe is quite acute in connection with three large-scale events:
                      1. The actions of the Soviet government to eliminate the owners as a class.
                      2. Forced migration of peoples, especially Germans.
                      3. Holocaust.

                      Given the unthinkable number of casualties, this dire situation requires extremely careful action. And certainly sketches about Poles who live in Jewish homes are out of place here. They have not lived in these houses for a long time.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 00: 06
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Do not wash the Poles no matter how many laws they adopt

    You see, professor. I don’t want to upset you, but only the Germans are to blame for the Holocaust. And then only the Germans of the FRG, and the Austrians and Bohemians are not to blame. For an elementary reason - the leadership of the Federal Republic of Germany decided at one time to play the repentance card, it was in their suit for them. All the others did just fine without repentance.

    There are other heroes in other countries. They do not give money for speeches about universal guilt in the Holocaust, but they can, between us, on the contrary, give in the face. You should respect someone else's story and other people's heroes, at least when visiting.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 30 March 2021 10: 24
    .
    The topic is overblown! It is impossible to talk about the role of the state on the basis of an isolated case. What conclusion would Polonsky draw if he found out that a Ukrainian battalion, in which there were Russians, was atrocities in Khatyn?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 30 March 2021 10: 33
      +9
      Well, some Poles also committed atrocities on the territory of Belarus, there were gangs of Polish nationalists ... they also showed themselves like the Bandera.
      In general, since the topic of the Holocaust of the Jews is raised, let's also talk about the Holocaust of Russians, Belarusians, whose Ukrainians were killed by the Nazis much more than Jews.
      In Leningrad alone, hundreds of thousands of people died through the fault of the Nazis, and take Voronezh, Stalingrad, during the bombing of which thousands and thousands of people were killed.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 30 March 2021 10: 36
        -9
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Let's also talk about the Holocaust of Russians, Belarusians, whose Ukrainians were killed by the Nazis much more than Jews.

        And if you also name the role of nationalities-murderers, then such a shit will rise. There was everything and everyone participated. And justice should be, although the dead do not care, but the living need it. But the rip is such that this theme is gasoline on the fire
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 30 March 2021 10: 45
          +6
          This is what the living need so that a new Holocaust is not repeated with them.
          But in modern Ukraine there are all the prerequisites for this, if you listen to what the Kiev Bandera regime promises to residents of the LPNR and Crimea ... Shoot, hang, drive to concentration camps, burn, drown and other delights of the victorious Maidan.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 30 March 2021 12: 38
            +2
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            This is what the living need so that a new Holocaust is not repeated with them.
            But in modern Ukraine there are all the prerequisites for this, if you listen to what the Kiev Bandera regime promises to residents of the LPNR and Crimea ... Shoot, hang, drive to concentration camps, burn, drown and other delights of the victorious Maidan.

            hi So! There has already been a precedent in Odessa.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 30 March 2021 10: 26
    -6
    This louse decided to be promoted on the blood, however, this is in her lesbian style.
  • prior
    prior 30 March 2021 10: 29
    0
    In Polish Black Lives Matter is translated as Jews Lives Matter.
    On your knees psheki, on your knees and repent, repent, repent ...
    Compared to the destruction of even only Polish Jews by the Poles - Katyn is resting!
    Moreover, the big question is that Katyn is a sin of Russians.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 30 March 2021 10: 29
    +9
    The problem is much deeper than a newspaper article. It's just that Europe, without the slightest interruption, plunged into the Cold War, but there ... What happened both during the war and immediately after ... What to do with the Czechs, who knocked off a third of the weapons of the Reich? There was an article on VO, there was a phrase, "an ordinary burgher was ready to work for the war, but was not ready to go to fight in Russia" ... Well, what is the difference with the Czechs? What is the difference, by and large, between the punitive detachments of the SS in Greece - and the punitive detachments of the British in the same Greece, even the same collaborators fought with them - against the same partisans? What to do with the French, they know everything about themselves - just as the photo exhibition "Paris in Occupation" was recently banned - well-fed faces do not fit with the etoules at the races - and their songs about the heroic "French resistance" ...
    Fuck is there to say. if they really come across statements that they say the punishers in the USSR were in their own right - they fought with the bandits ... Who is a partisan? Legally - a bandit ... Also, by the way, recently I don't remember a whole manuscript on this topic in which, but well-known British edition flashed ...
    And the Poles are generally rats. There were the Fritzes - Arbeiten in the concentration camps, they beat the Fritz - they undressed the refugees and shot them ... Or they arranged death marches, well, what they studied in the concentration camp secret police.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 March 2021 10: 44
    +3
    "This is outrageous slander": Poland denies accusations by the US press of involvement in the Holocaust
    ... So the "chosen ones" know how to squeeze, only from the spilled water like water off a duck's back ... two converged on one bridge ..... converged shorter.
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 March 2021 12: 53
      +3
      If there is a lot of vyakan, the Germans can open more archives, I'm afraid then they will not be happy at all ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 March 2021 13: 38
        +1
        The archives, that is ... only to offend the allys, their uncle does not order them.
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 March 2021 13: 40
          +2
          There are many other ways to make information available ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 March 2021 14: 05
            +1
            It costs BIG MONEY !!! Archives from Germany, the minke whales were taken away, all of which they could reach!
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 March 2021 14: 08
              +2
              They did not reach everyone, some of us are not small, but something remained in Germany ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 March 2021 14: 11
                +1
                Judging by the statements of our investigators, the Yankees cleaned it up thoroughly ... they could have missed something, something that seemed insignificant to them then ... go and sort out the scraps of information that remained.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 30 March 2021 14: 18
                  +2
                  Over the past time, we have sorted out everything, sorted it out and understood that the time will come and these documents will play their role ...
      2. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 31 March 2021 00: 24
        0
        Quote: cniza
        If there is a lot of vyakan, the Germans can open more archives, I'm afraid then they will not be happy at all ...

        German archives long ago in Podolsk. We are waiting for it to open.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 March 2021 12: 54
      +4
      .....will take action ..
      aha ha ha !!! I wonder what kind of measures the hyena of Europe can take against the staff that fed it? Probably something awful am
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 March 2021 13: 39
        +2
        I don't know, the "chosen ones" depend on the "exceptional" ... they won't be allowed to roam, that's for sure.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 March 2021 17: 00
          +2
          bully what if it will be a reason for squabbling between them?
          Quote: rocket757
          I don't know, the "chosen ones" depend on the "exceptional" ... they won't be allowed to roam, that's for sure.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 March 2021 10: 45
    +5
    Where is the slander? There are documents, some witnesses are still alive. Look, they are fussing.
  • Ren
    Ren 30 March 2021 10: 48
    +7
    Polish death camps before the Second World War (the main contingent - the Red Army and residents of the Polish-occupied territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, not of Polish origin) were located in Domba, Wadowice, Lancut, Stshalkovo, Shchyperno, Tuchola, Brest-Litovsk, Pikulitsa, Aleksandruv-Kujawski, Kalisz, Plock, Lukow, Siedlce, Zdunska Wola, Doroguskie, Petrkow, Ostrov омomrzyński
    Polish death camps during the Second World War:
    Auschwitz (Auschwitz), Treblinka, Majdanek, Sobibor, Chelmno, Belzec.
    Nothing is forgotten, nobody is forgotten. hi
  • Grossvater
    Grossvater 30 March 2021 11: 00
    +3
    If I'm not confusing anything, the last mass Jewish pogrom in Poland, suppressed, by the way, by the Red Army, was in 1946. So the pole's stigma is great in the gun!
    1. Dmitry Makarov
      Dmitry Makarov 30 March 2021 11: 27
      +3
      Everything was so, during the years of World War II, the Poles killed 2 million Polish citizens of Jewish origin.
      Today, there are almost no Jews in Poland, there are about 30 left
      This is worse than the genocide of the Indians in North America, and in a very short period.
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 31 March 2021 00: 25
        +3
        Quote: Dmitry Makarov
        there is something about 30 left

        5000
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 30 March 2021 11: 07
    0
    Russian-American journalist Masha Gessen.

    Since when did Moishe Gessen become a Russian journalist?
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 30 March 2021 11: 09
    +1
    In addition to power, the world is ruled by lies! Modern Ukraine is a state built on lies. Poland is the same. The United States has a lot of lies ...
    Lies are profitable. And as long as it does, it will flourish ...
  • tatra
    tatra 30 March 2021 11: 13
    -1
    The enemies of the communists in the West, in Europe and on the territory of the USSR, never admit guilt for their crimes at all, but with their hypocritical "righteous anger" they are very fond of slandering others with slanderous accusations of crimes.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 30 March 2021 11: 23
    +2
    Under Stalin and his successors, the atrocities of the Poles and their involvement in the mass extermination of Jews were hushed up.
    There were reasons for this, Poland was part of the Warsaw Bloc.
    But today, it makes no sense to hide the bloody executioners, the facts from the Archives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should be declassified, not a single Polish nit should escape from Retribution! And there are millions of them - genocide and extermination of Jews was massively supported by the entire Polish nation.
    Today it is necessary to collect from these murderers and murderers - Hundreds of Billions in favor of the victims of the Holocaust!
    1. tatra
      tatra 30 March 2021 11: 29
      -2
      Is it different for the Russian enemies of the communists? No, they also conceal or justify the crimes of the White Guards, White Cossacks, interventionists, Hitlerites, and their accomplices from among the citizens of the USSR.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 March 2021 12: 36
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      no Polish nits must escape Retribution! And there are millions of them - genocide and extermination of Jews was massively supported by the entire Polish nation.
      Today it is necessary to collect from these murderers and murderers - Hundreds of Billions in favor of the victims of the Holocaust!

      Eck is not flattening you like a child ... Why are you so worried about your Jewish pocket? Do you share, or do you just hate the Poles so ardently?
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      Poles killed 3 million Polish citizens of Jewish origin.

      What, exactly by the Poles?
  • Unknown
    Unknown 30 March 2021 11: 57
    +2
    Anti-Semitism was present in almost all European countries, and Poland is no exception, it was just that there were the most of them. After the decision of Casimir the Great to ensure the safety and interests of the Jews, the Kingdom of Poland became a haven for the Semitic people, expelled from the rest of Europe. According to rough estimates, somewhere around 3,35 million. There were 420 thousand of them in Germany. Poles have always had local anti-Semitism, and there were good reasons for this. Not everyone liked the Jewish dominance. Sometimes the Poles threw out such knees that one wonders, for example, Jozef Pilsudski issued in May 1893 on behalf of the PPS an appeal addressed to Jewish socialist comrades in the Polish lands of the Russian Empire, in which he accused the Jews of Lithuania of supporting Russification, under the pretext of joining the treasures of Russian culture, which repelled the Polish and Lithuanian proletariat from the socialist parties, which were seen as supporters of Russification. Marasmism, Jews are supporters of Russification !? So don't be surprised. But you need to be careful with the Zionists, they have a great world influence. They could have forgiven Hitler a lot, but not that. In my life I was often a prophet and they laughed at me. Today I want to be a prophet again. If international financial Jewry manages to plunge the peoples into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the planet or the victory of Jewry, but the destruction of the Jewish race in Europe.


    Adolf Gitler
    Fuhrer of the Third Reich (speech of January 30, 1939) They turned a blind eye to the war of the USSR, but as he touched them, all Hitler had to do was die, which he did. He cannot hide in one country in the world.
  • Andrey Korotkov
    Andrey Korotkov 30 March 2021 12: 06
    +1
    I would like to hear the opinion of Konstantin (Poland) on how the article of Ms. Gessen was reflected in the people. And the opinion of Polish politicians seems to be predictable.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 30 March 2021 12: 16
    +4
    In Lithuania, Jews were slaughtered immediately after the departure of the Red Army; Lithuanians who were members of anti-Soviet organizations, who were not slaughtered, were slaughtered together with the Germans later.
  • vl903
    vl903 30 March 2021 12: 17
    +1
    the second world war began immediately after the first world war. Anglo-Saxons began to spread rot on the Germans in order to raise the Fuhrer on their protest and send him in the right direction. and Poles and Jews were used for the purposes they needed, where as consumables, and where as fuel
    1. vl903
      vl903 30 March 2021 12: 19
      0
      it's just that both were in the right place at the right time and had the right features. But the entertainers of all this are the Anglo-Saxons, not the English, but the Anglo-Saxons.
  • cniza
    cniza 30 March 2021 12: 51
    +3
    By 1943, the Blue Police personnel numbered at least 16. If we talk about the ethnicity of the police, they were mainly Poles, as well as Ukrainians from Eastern Galicia.


    It is necessary to lay out all the documents and poke noses on the Poles and Ukrainians, so that they would sit and repent ...
  • Tests
    Tests 30 March 2021 17: 14
    +3
    Daniil Konovalenko (Daniil Konovalenko), dear, I have to correct you. On the territory of the Lithuanian SSR, occupied by the 3rd Reich, ghettos were created. The ghetto in Kaunas is remembered, apparently, because the chairman of the Supreme Court of Israel passed it. These hot Estonian guys themselves, without Germans, without ghettos, in the occupied territory of the Estonian SSR, solved the Jewish question by February 1942. Completely. From babies to gray-haired old people ... True, the state of Israel from the Republic of Estonia for some reason does not require monetary or any other compensation, in the Israeli media waves of protests over the marches of former SS men across Estonia cannot be heard or seen, civilized interstate relations ... The mind of the Semites cannot be understood, the common yardstick cannot be measured ...
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 March 2021 06: 47
      0
      Show in the Israeli media a wave of protests about the marches of the former SS men anywhere? If we deal with these waves, then we won't have enough space for the rest of the news. So Estonia is not an exception at all.
  • 123456789
    123456789 30 March 2021 17: 26
    +1
    Quidquid latet apparebit, Nil inultum remanebit
    (Everything secret will become apparent, nothing will be left without retaliation).
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 30 March 2021 22: 08
    -1
    Psheki is an ancient branch of the ukrov tree! So the manifestations of generic similarity are not surprising.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 31 March 2021 00: 38
    0
    Wow, what a dumb topic the author of the topper chose.

    To understand the context.
    1. Hesse is a leftist, the Polish government is a rightist. Laying around Poles, hmm, zucchini, Hesse will be at every opportunity.
    2. Hesse, like most American Jews, is an anti-Semite in the Soviet sense of the "fight against Zionism." But of all the states that she hates, she still hates Poland more than Israel, so she allows herself a Jewish view of things for a minute. In addition to long-standing grievances, there is a fresh one between the Polish and Jewish peoples - after the WWII, the Jews managed to knock out the place of the main victims of this war, and in the 90s they unleashed the Poles, who consider themselves the main victims of the WWII (and, by the way, they like to include the Holocaust in the human losses of Poland ). Naturally, there is a heated discussion on this issue between the Polish and Israeli officialdom, turning into a scuffle. Masha in this particular case is ready to support the Jews.
    3. Since, first of all, Hesse is, after all, a left-wing woman, moreover, still of Soviet hardening, her text is just an extravaganza. Discussing the problem of the uneasy relationship of Poles with national minorities under Hitler, she manages to go through the entire agenda.
    a) Trump, slavery in America, Indian genocide.
    b) LGBT.
    c) Putin and Navalny.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-historians-under-attack-for-exploring-polands-role-in-the-holocaust

    https://inosmi.ru/social/20210330/249452548.html

    So the moral is simple. Under no circumstances should you read, let alone retell Masha Gessen.
  • alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 April 2 2021 05: 02
    0
    Every "decent" Pole is an anti-Semite. Even the most intelligent Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky sinned by this. But he did not stick out. And as for the present ones, they forgot how their ancestors expressed a desire to contribute to Hitler (not to be remembered by night) in solving the Jewish question. the nation is Poles.