Armenian Security Council Secretary urged to reconsider relations with Turkey

Armen Grigoryan, secretary of the Armenian Security Council, called for a reconsideration of relations with Turkey. In this case, it will be possible to unblock transport communications.

The official made this statement on the air of the Public Television of Armenia.

Grigoryan urged to stop considering Turkey an enemy, as it is written in the national security strategy, and to resume dialogue with it, since after the Karabakh war the political situation in Transcaucasia has undergone significant changes. At the same time, he does not claim that Ankara does not threaten Armenia in any way, but, in his words, “the processes in the region provide other opportunities as well”.

The release should be not only with Azerbaijan, but also in a broader regional context, and there are prerequisites for this.

- he said, probably referring to the fact that the borders between Turkey and Armenia have been closed since 1993.

And although Grigoryan proposes to improve relations with Ankara and Baku, he prefers that these processes take place under the supervision and protection of the Russian peacekeeping contingent. He believes that after the end of the agreed five-year period, the Russian peacekeepers should not leave Nagorno-Karabakh.

It is difficult to say what will happen in five years, but our steps are aimed at ensuring that they remain ... On our agenda, so that they remain for a long time.

- considers the Secretary of the Security Council of Armenia.

Comments

[iouris]

Well, I said that Armenia is going to the "Turkish world". The people are nravitstsa!

[Shurik70]

Anyway, it's better than war.
Moreover, at the borders of Russia.
And if they manage to tie the neighbors in a mutually beneficial business, this can only be welcomed.
It is important for Russia, as a mediator, to have its own benefit in this matter, and not "as usual" - for thanks

[mitroha]

Hello to the fifth column! Viva, Armenia, you just go somewhere wrong

[Overlock]

Quote: Mitroha

Viva, Armenia, you just go somewhere wrong

Probably, Armenia knows better!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Shurik70

Anyway, it's better than war.
Moreover, at the borders of Russia.

From the point of view of the Russian Federation, yes. I don't know how the Armenian nationalists who may come to power in the RA after Pashinyan will react to this ...

And if they manage to tie the neighbors in a mutually beneficial business, this can only be welcomed.

How? All big business in the RA rests on Russian investments, and there are no other investors there ... if only the trade with Iran will increase, but the ownership of the Sinyuk region is questionable ...

It is important for Russia, as a mediator, to have its own benefit in this matter, and not "as usual" - for thanks

What benefit has the Russian Federation received over the past 30 years from the fact that the entire Republic of Armenia exists thanks to the Russian Federation?
They burn Russian flags and call us invaders, maybe worse ...

[Shurik70]

Quote: Lara Croft

All big business in Armenia is supported by Russian investments

Armenia is in the center of the region with excellent conditions for agriculture, tourism and transit of goods. It is with these directions that we must start.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Shurik70

Armenia in the center of a region with excellent agricultural conditions,

Really?

There is no developed agriculture in the country that can satisfy the needs of at least one Russian region, no potential, no hopes for development. Strategic partnership alone is not enough. And Armenia today is not even able to feed itself.
However, many in Armenia understand that it is not about politics at all, but about the very practical benefit. How to trade with a country where agriculture died along with the Soviet regime, and the new government was unable to rectify the situation?

https://news.day.az/politics/934502.html

There are 513 thousand hectares of agricultural land in the republic. Of these, farm land to be cultivated is 389 thousand. These are gardens and fields (not counting high-altitude pastures, where sowing and plowing are not carried out). But of these 389 thousand, about 220 are cultivated, and at best half are irrigated.

Read more: https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/economy/20191209/21301151/Armyanskaya-revolyutsiya-doydet-do-korov-i-pomidorov-fermeram-nado-znat-plany-na-2020-god.html

tourism

Turks and Azerbaijanis will not go there, Georgians, to put it mildly, are not so rich, while Persians and Russians themselves have enough such places, and the logistics are expensive ...

Tourist business in Armenia continues to suffer losses without foreign tourists, "Khabar 24" correspondent reports. The coronavirus has ruined the 2020 winter, spring and summer seasons and is likely to hit the sector next year as well.

Source: https://24.kz/ru/news/in-the-world/item/422415-turisticheskij-biznes-armenii-vyzhivaet-kak-mozhet
Oldanylғan materialdarғa mindetti tүrde www.24.kz websites on hyperlinks

transit of goods

So for the sake of the development of transport and pipeline infrastructure, the war for the NKR and adjacent districts was started ...

It is with these directions that we must start.

Who?

[Shurik70]

Quote: Lara Croft

Who?

No one, except the Armenians themselves, will build a rich and prosperous Armenia.
And as for the collapse of everything, you have to start somewhere.
Armenia has a huge potential due to its geographic location.
It is naive to hope that the help will be eternal. And it is not beneficial to anyone.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Shurik70

No one, except the Armenians themselves, will build a rich and prosperous Armenia.

So 30 has passed since the collapse of the Union, and no one itches. Everyone who is a member of the EAU (except Kazakhstan) for some reason thinks that the Russian Federation should do everything for them ...

Armenia has a huge potential due to its geographic location.

If you think so, then both Bhutan and Nepal must be fabulously rich countries ...

It is naive to hope that the help will be eternal. And it is not beneficial to anyone.

Sorosets speculate on this, like it's no use talking to the Russian Federation, go to our service, but for this you need to give up your national interests ..., and the people believe, they think, you can continue to do nothing to us all to the EU and the USA will give, and the Russian Federation needs to be driven into the neck ...

[venik]

Quote: Shurik70

Armenia has a huge potential due to its geographic location.

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Great potential? Alexander, have you ever been to Armenia? Apparently not! They are themselves food provide can not! There is also arable land - NO !!! Well, almost not!

[Shurik70]

Quote: venik

There is NO arable land there!

The same grapes and fruit trees are beautiful without plowing, they grow on the slopes.
And apples from Armenia are much tastier than Polish ones.

[venik]

Quote: Shurik70

The same grapes and fruit trees are beautiful without plowing, they grow on the slopes.
And apples from Armenia are much tastier than Polish ones.

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Will you chew grapes instead of meat, porridge and potatoes? No, my friend will not be full of grapes and apples!

[Shurik70]

Quote: venik

you won't be full of grapes and apples

But this is not a reason NOT TO DO ANYTHING.

[Runway]

RF in a similar situation (in terms of food security).
In which direction Armenia is heading - for the second time. Its enclave location, as a theoretical foothold / foreground, has long been a "minus" and not a "plus" of our politeness in the Transcaucasus.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Shurik70

Quote: Lara Croft

All big business in Armenia is supported by Russian investments

Armenia is in the center of the region with excellent conditions for agriculture, tourism and transit of goods. It is with these directions that we must start.

For agriculture? Only if with Israeli technology and Chinese hard work

[Overlock]

Quote: Shurik70

It is with these directions that we must start.

Who should start? Armenians or us? If they haven't started for 30 years, then they don't need

[knn54]

"Neighbor" and not a friend., And not an enemy. But as?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: knn54

"Neighbor" and not a friend., And not an enemy. But as?

Immediately I remembered the song of V. Vysotsky from the film "Height" ....

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Lara Croft

Immediately I remembered the song of V. Vysotsky from the film "Height" ..

I love people who lack vertebrae in their spine -

[DED_peer_DED]

I myself usually do not like to look at people from above. Not worthy.
Better to hit from below and without looking into the eyes. The effectiveness will be higher.

[Thrifty]

There is common sense in his words, I think it will not be just words.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: iouris

Well, I said that Armenia is going to the "Turkish world". The people are nravitstsa!

What does it have to do with it?
Economic cooperation between Armenia and Turkey does not at all mean infringement of the interests of Armenia and Russia. Russia even benefits from the opening of transport corridors in this region. Moreover, this is a blow to the economy of proud Georgians.

[Victor Tsenin]

Well, how does it not mean that more Turkish goods and services = fewer Russian goods and services. The dissonance in the news is more surprising, i.e. Soros merged the operation and the NKR, and now they are broadcasting that the TR, which helped Azerbaijan in every possible way, is not an opponent. Wonders of logic, made in YUESEI.

[Overlock]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Moreover, this is a blow to the economy of proud Georgians.

And here are the Georgians!

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Russia even benefits from the opening of transport corridors in this region.

And especially to Azerbaijan and Turkey and Kazakhstan! Everything for the "Army of Turan"!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Overlock

And here are the Georgians!

Decrease, if not stop altogether, transport flows through Georgia.

Quote: Overlock

And especially to Azerbaijan and Turkey and Kazakhstan! Everything for "Army of Turan"

Especially for Russia for trade with Iran.

[Anzhey V.]

The Armenians have a very comfortable position - you Russians, defend us at your own expense, act as a barrier, and in the meantime we will establish relations with our neighbors, from whom we have gotten rid of. True, you won't get anything from this, and we don't want to be allies, but ...

[GMT-ZHEL]

This is how Russia itself proposes to unblock transport corridors. And without the normalization of relations, this is not possible.

[Anzhey V.]

I agree with this, and this is undoubtedly reasonable in the first place for Russia - why should we have a potential "hot spot" in the Transcaucasus?

I am only a little touched by the hypocrisy of the Armenians, who, when necessary, shake the invaders away with transporters, and after a couple of years we are their best friends.

The only problem is that they do not value this friendship anyway.

[GMT-ZHEL]

This is a small bunch of people living on Western grants. In general, most of the population of Armenia has an extremely positive attitude towards Russia. The presence of opposition is a sign of democracy))

[gsev]

Quote: GMT-ZHEL

This is a small bunch of people living on Western grants. In general, most of the population of Armenia has an extremely positive attitude towards Russia.

Currently, Pashinyan's party has managed to spoil relations within the Armenian people themselves. There is a pronounced antagonism between the foreign Armenian diaspora, the Armenian population of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and the Armenians of Armenia proper. Against this background, Pashinyan's anti-Russian actions with burning Russian flags or voicing fakes about the unusability of Russian weapons at the time Russian representatives are negotiating the sale of these weapons to a Middle Eastern country do not look surprising. Now it is not clear what the priorities of the politicians and the elite of the Armenian state are. Perhaps they are satisfied with the current state of affairs, when from all over the world the Armenian communities send to the funds controlled by the government of Armenia, and in fact Pashinyan personally, multibillion-dollar sums. It seems that the Armenians sent about 300 billion rubles from Russia to Pashinyan after the start of the October war over Nagorno-Karabakh. As far as I know, Pashinyan did not spend the lion's share of this money for military purposes, and it was from these funds that he paid and pays for the activities of his supporters during the post-war political crisis.

[CommanderDIVA]

A statement of this level was probably agreed with Pashinyan, and probably with someone else more serious, but how will the Armenians who have lost their loved ones in Nagorno-Karabakh perceive it? Here and not far from the new revolution

[Lara Croft]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

A statement of this level was probably agreed with Pashinyan, and probably with someone else more serious,

And why does Pashinyan need this on the eve of his departure and preparation for new elections?
Who is more serious if the secretary of the National Security Service of the Republic of Armenia reports directly to the Chairman of the National Security Service of the Republic of Armenia - Pashinyan?
https://www.seco.am/security_council/members?lang=ru
Regarding Grigoryan himself (secretary of the National Security Service of the Republic of Armenia):

During an interview with Petros Ghazaryan, Secretary of the Security Council of Armenia Armen Grigoryan commented on the issue of whether Turkey is an enemy state for Armenia, noting that Armenia should correct its approach on this issue. He managed to avoid a direct answer to this question three times.

https://yerkramas.org/article/181221/sekretar-soveta-bezopasnosti-armenii---yavnyj-predatel-video
I think there is a competition among Soros rats now for getting a "piece of sugar" from the owner ....

[svp67]

Grigoryan urged to stop considering Turkey an enemy

This is not enough for Turkey. It will demand a refusal to recognize the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire.

[mitroha]

Quote: svp67

Grigoryan urged to stop considering Turkey an enemy

This is not enough for Turkey. It will demand a refusal to recognize the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire.

I THINK HERE A PLANT OF THE PASLENOV FAMILY IN THE WHOLE THROAT. At least here the Armenians, as I believe, have some kind of cutoff

[rocket757]

Shaw here to discuss ... the Great Country / Empire is gone, as a result, the outskirts are where ...
A common occurrence, all the thugs / who are now proud, independent, will go under the authority of another ...
it was, is and will be ALWAYS !!!

[opposite28]

It is difficult to say what will happen in five years, but our steps are aimed at ensuring that they remain ... On our agenda, so that they remain for a long time.
Armen Grigoryan probably means fierce, frantic, indigenous, to the core patriots of Armenia (such as Pashinyan) indicating in interviews that they remain on the agenda for a long time.

[Anar]

For a country to develop, it must be friends at least with its neighbors, the richer and larger they are than the country itself. Huddled in a corner and at enmity with others does not go far. Now they are doing the right approach and should have done it for a long time. In 30 years, the region could develop at least to the level of the Baltics. And now, in real life, a return to the 90th.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Anar

For a country to develop, it must be friends at least with its neighbors, the richer and larger they are than the country itself.

Definitely, but the size of the country doesn't matter.

Now they are doing the right approach and should have done it for a long time.

Who hindered?

In 30 years, the region could develop at least to the level of the Baltics.

An unfortunate comparison, there for 30 years, only a drop in industrial production, a deterioration in economic indicators and emigration of the population to the EU ...
Thanks to the RF, the RA still has some production and stagnation of the economy, this little RF can keep RA from falling into an economic abyss, the RF will not invest its last money in RA, it has enough problems of its own, the Armenians themselves cannot make any strategic changes, Therefore, Pashinyan came to power on shouts that there was no sense in the Russian Federation, it was not necessary to work on our own, but the good West would help us, of course, everyone supported him, like you don’t need to do anything, hai RF and listen to what the West says. ...

[Sands Careers General]

Yes, Armenia fell into classical zugzwang.
No matter how 1915 repeats itself.

[evgen1221]

There are few options for the Armenians to somehow economically raise their territory, they are mostly realistic - to join the whole country as a part of some strong neighbor, Russia, Turkey, Iran.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Nobody will take, with all due respect, just as unnecessary ...

[evgen1221]

Now, yes, no one really needs them, but as a territory for influence or resettlement in the distant future, it is quite an option, although it is not a fact that the Armenians will physically live up to that.))

[lopvlad]

The Armenian government is driving the Armenians like sheep under the knives of the Turkish janissaries.

[Ural resident]

Surprisingly, at first the United States demonstrated how it can make the bombed enemy an ally, now Turkey is demonstrating a clear transfer of an angry enemy into the category of neutrals, and then apparently an ally. But we have not fought with anyone, but we still consider them enemies. Here are examples of soft power.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: A resident of the Urals

But we have not fought with anyone, but we still consider them enemies. Here are examples of soft power.

Neither Turkey, nor the USA, or politics have such phrases -
mutually beneficial trade
brotherly people
good neighborly relations

[Woland]

And what can you do for money!