The reusable shuttle being developed in Russia was compared with the American X-37B

The new reusable space shuttle being developed by NPO Molniya will be a cargo one, it is being developed in an unmanned version. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the rocket and space industry.

According to the source, the new reusable spacecraft will be the same size as the US-developed X-37B spacecraft. The spacecraft is intended for commercial launches, its purpose is the unmanned transportation of goods to orbit and back. The development is carried out by the NGO "Molniya" on its own initiative.

The device being developed by the NGO Molniya is an unmanned civilian analogue of the American X-37B, that is, it should be created in the same dimension. It is not intended for manned flights, but is designed for the delivery and return of cargo from space.

- the agency leads the words of the source.

It is specified that the new shuttle should be launched into orbit by a Soyuz-type launch vehicle.

Earlier, on Wednesday, the press service of the NGO Molniya reported that the company's specialists are working on the creation of a new space reusable civilian complex with an orbital aircraft. According to Olga Sokolova, the general director of Molnia, the new shuttle "will fly into space in the next five years."

Currently, only two countries in the world have reusable mini shuttles. The secret mini-space shuttle X-2010B has been in operation in the United States since 37. China tested its reusable shuttle in September 2020.

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[Thrifty]

"On a proactive basis" is how an aircraft carrier was developed, but the authorities do not need it for nothing! The main question, in financing, is whether the state will spend money to support the project, but anything can be developed.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: Thrifty

"On a proactive basis" is how an aircraft carrier was developed, but the authorities do not need it for nothing! The main question, in financing, is whether the state will spend money to support the project, but anything can be developed.

Another chatterbox from Rogozin got infected with promises ...

[military_cat]

According to Olga Sokolova, the general director of Molnia, the new shuttle "will fly into space in the next five years."

I wonder how much she is willing to bet on this forecast. It's time to start deriving at least some benefit from these promises.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: military_cat

According to Olga Sokolova, the general director of Molnia, the new shuttle "will fly into space in the next five years."

I wonder how much she is willing to bet on this forecast. It's time to start deriving at least some benefit from these promises.

The money, I'm sure, will not be "Lightning", but budget ........ She will put the ENTIRE amount on the fact that the product will not fly or even take off ... she will get ... ... We only have a "minus" ...

[Civil]

Rogozin's new place of work? Or did you add a relative?

[Insurgent]

The reusable shuttle being developed in Russia was compared with the American X-37B

The layout was shown only to a narrow circle of people, in principle, no one knows what it looks like - and already comparisons ...

[Alex777]

The layout was shown only to a narrow circle of people, in principle, no one knows what it looks like - and already comparisons ...

Here is a narrow circle and blabbed ...
The funniest thing is the civilian purpose of what is compared to the secret state-owned X-37B.
Since they are the same in size, I can be glad that the scouts still work for us. But "our atom", as always, is exceptionally peaceful. Unlike...

[bayard]

Molniya has had enough of its own reusable rocket plane projects. Some of them flew into space and returned from there. And it was their developments that became the basis for the creation of the American X-37B.

[Alex777]

And it was their developments that became the basis for the creation of the American X-37B.

If so, even better. I am for it.
The best people and technologies come from working on serious projects.

[tikhonov66]

"...
Since they are the same size, I can be glad that the scouts still work for us
..."
That's just - first, our "Buran" mattress maker reconnaissance - studied to the screw ...
Therefore, our intelligence - their "X-37B" - WITHOUT NECESSITY ...
8-)
Immediately anticipating your argument - something like the Americans made their shuttle before our "Buran" - I immediately answer:
unlike the "mattress shuttle", which was planted by a GROUP of HIGHLY QUALIFIED PILOTS - our "Buran" - performed the landing - in FULLY (well, that is, ABSOLUTELY !!!) UNMANNED mode ...
That is - just the same - as now it is performed by the "mattress X-37V" ...
- Now think ...
If there is anything.

[Alex777]

our "Buran" - was landing - in COMPLETELY (well, that is, ABSOLUTELY !!!) UNMANNED mode ...

Why are you so worried?
This landing system was developed by a good friend of mine.
What was there and how it was I know first-hand.
Only he didn't work in Lightning.

- Now think ...
If there is anything.

Take care of your pioneer enthusiasm. It will still be useful to you.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alex777

Take care of your pioneer enthusiasm. Use it still for youtheXia.

Aha! ALWAYS READY !!! (You just need to pull up the grammar ... )

[Alex777]

Alexander! Council is not for you?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alex777

And what are you?

Namesake, I LOVE PIONEERS!
I could not resist, sorry ...

[Alex777]

Aaaa ... Tady oh.

[alexmach]

unlike the "mattress shuttle", which was planted by a GROUP of HIGHLY QUALIFIED PILOTS

No group of pilots landed the shuttle. He sat down automatically.

[viralig]

This news is empty, there was an article of the same plan yesterday. In general, this talking shop lifted up. Then it will fly and it's worth talking about.

[Thrifty]

Three inadequacy, at least, which of the "non-specific" was purchased by the state and went into series? ??

[Svarog]

Quote: Thrifty

The main question, in financing, is whether the state will spend money to support the project, but anything can be developed.

Projects and projects are dark .. that's the question where the money comes from .. The population has run out of it, the whole business is in its last breath ..

[Ilya098]

NPO Molniya belongs to the Kalashnikov concern, most likely part of the funding from it, the second is contracts with the Ministry of Defense, Molniya already has a large number of contracts for target missiles. From the interview

I believe that three direct contracts with the Ministry of Defense over the past two years are a significant achievement. In the next three years, within their framework, the enterprise should receive about 800 million rubles. This is a lot of money, and, accordingly, a huge responsibility.

If you want to know where the money comes from and what breath the recently rescued Lightning has, you can ask them themselves - [email protected]

Here is a link to the interview - http://www.npomolniya.ru/novosti/intervyu-s-generalnyim-direktorom-ao-npo-molniya-o.-m.-sokolovoj.html And it seems that half do not even know what news is there, but is already being compared with the thirty-seventh. About proactive development - some kind of war is already going on in orbit. Recently there was news, 2 satellites of the inspector (Russian) docked once again, everyone has already heard about the shooting in space, catch-up and subsatellites. An apparatus similar to the X-37 or Max unmanned in the arsenal was just not enough. At the closed exposition, the mock-up of the military impressed, I think that lightning will receive a response from them.

[Alex777]

At the closed exposition, the mock-up of the military impressed me, I think that lightning will receive a response from them.

If your information is accurate, then this is good news!
It is necessary to deprive "partners" of unnecessary illusions in space.
A reusable spaceplane is a very promising topic.

[Ilya098]

In any case, he will not remain idle, even if the Ministry of Defense does not decide, then he will work in civilian life. The work that is being carried out on it does not look like a blind leap forward, or the hope for the customer's desire to appear, as in the case of aircraft carriers, where some individual nodes are being designed, so that when the navy has an interest, start full-scale work not from scratch, but with by the best practices, right there NPO "Molniya", has already passed this stage and now rushes at full steam to the stars, scattering thorns on the sides.

Over the past year, we have made very serious progress in terms of developing a new civil aerospace complex. Up to this point, there were some separate developments, but there was no clear task. Now the task has been set and the development is in full swing civilian reusable complex with orbital aircraft

[Alex777]

In any case, he will not remain idle, even if the Ministry of Defense does not dare.

I am 100% sure that the Ministry of Defense will not only decide, but will also be the main customer.

The work that is being carried out on it does not look like a blind leap forward ...

I think so too.

[mvg]

A reusable spaceplane is a very promising topic.

Exactly, I recall Buran-Energia, the program of which was barely pulled by the Soviet Union, and, overstrained ... One Buran in the museum, a couple more, rotting in a hangar abandoned by God.

What is better now, more money, brains or is Rogozin happy?

[Alex777]

I know well many people who designed and built Burana.
The program was closed by Gorbachev to please the States.
The USSR overstrained ...

[mvg]

The USSR overstrained ...

The sample located at Baikonur was badly damaged during the collapse of the roof of the assembly and test building in 2002. As a result, the apparatus was cut into pieces and sold for scrap by the cosmodrome employees.

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/60278cf09a79470b69e34f18
PS: Call it differently ...

[Alex777]

I was in Astana then. I know in detail what and how.
Think how many years have passed since the time when Gorbachev killed the program to the day when the hangar of the independent Kazakhs collapsed?
ZY I also know why it collapsed, but I will not say anything.

[mvg]

when Gorbachev killed the program

The program is not officially closed. 1983 - fake. It is not profitable to close the joint-stock company, you have to pay off the debts, but there is no money.
It is hopeless, otherwise the Shuttle would still be flying.
And Buran, a useless transfer of the Big heap of money. Comparable to BAM

[Alex777]

The program is not officially closed. 1983 - fake. It is not profitable to close the joint-stock company, you have to pay off the debts, but there is no money.

1983 ?! Buran made its flight in 1988.
Joint-stock company in the USSR?
Approximately / correctly stated:
https://ria.ru/20170512/1494148936.html

[mvg]

93 of course. I'm talking about Lightning.
// "There was no money at all. We needed money for disposal and pay off all debts," Lukashevich said.
According to him, the debts of the NGO Molniya were formed from the unpaid work of contractors, the maintenance of equipment and positions in the program. //

[mvg]

Once I watched a video, as one of the program participants excitedly, in front of the camera, told how cool everything was, how they spent money to the left, to the right ... And the voice-over translated these amounts into a digestible form. Compared ... As a result, we have that out of 5 built (almost) shuttles, only one flew 205 minutes, plus Myasishchev 3M, plus Mriya, plus Energia, plus a copy of Buran for the exhibition, and all this was down the drain.
At the same time, a bunch of academicians and professors immediately gave an assessment of the project, as bold minus I do not understand this.
PS: I don’t understand deliveries for beads of technology to the Araps for hundreds of billions of dollars, as forgiving Africa’s debts without receiving any gingerbread.
What do we have in Africa or BV now?
Is that all one Humpback ruined? It is clear that the devils have been drawing absenteeism for a long time, and they will not wait, but he alone cannot do it ... and "he did not destroy the chapel either."

[Alex777]

My link was not read. Clear.
And there it is written about the programs, part of which Buran was planned.
Those programs were canceled - and Buran was no longer needed.
The CPSU could only be destroyed "from the head."
Gorbachev became a dollar multimillionaire with free travel everywhere.
That was his task, IMHO, and he successfully solved it.
Not a single General Secretary could so get out of his post and from responsibility as he did.

[mvg]

My link was not read. clear

The link was added later

[mvg]

I read it, the author drew very bright perspectives. Reality, another round of the Cold War and the arms race, in which we would not have won. Gribachev should have been liquidated a long time ago.

[Ilya098]

The era of monstrous shuttles like the Space Shuttle and Buran has passed and remained in the 20th century, their heirs, projects of the 21st century are small economical unmanned spaceplanes, such as the one described in the article from Lightning and X-37. They will take much less money and not much time will be required for development, and their scope of application is huge, unlike the shuttle bandura.

or Rogozin pleases

And here Rogozin in general. The project is from the NGO Molniya; it is not part of the state corporation Roscosmos, and even more so, it does not belong to Rogozin.

brains

There will be more brains in the NGO Molniya, by 800 people, if I remember correctly.
So we will not break through, we will break through as they say.
By the way, there are no more flight samples of Buran and energy, there are models in the hangar

[Vadim237]

One of them is a 95% finished second flight copy Baikal Rogozin is going to pick them up and transport them to Russia

[Ilya098]

Well, there is no point in taking Baikal and transporting it in Russia, because it didn’t seem to leave it, with a 30-50% readiness it languished in the shops of the Tushino plant, now it seems like it’s under restoration.
You seem to mean the Tempest, I forgot about it already, in the MZK there are 2 Burana, one model, and the other Tempest, thanks for reminding me. I hope they will still be able to return it to Russia, restore it and put it in some educational center.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Svarog

the question is where the money comes from .. The population has run out of money, the whole business is in its last breath ..

The commentators should still have a remnant of conscience, even in spite of the covid!

Household deposits in banks exceeded 30 trillion rubles.
The Russians carried rubles and foreign currency to the banks, despite the low rates ...

Business, business ... well, absolutely beggars ... The question is: what was the fright then for a covid year the number of BILLIONS in Russia grew by 49 PIECES !!!!

[Real Pilot]

And the idea is correct.
Such a device will be useful to us, especially in combination with the spent Union. And the idea of ​​initially making the apparatus a civilian is also not bad, at least dual-purpose: both potential earnings on launches, and, if necessary, deployment in a military version. Plus the cover is good.

It is capable of maneuvering in space and has a cargo hold, which is important and necessary! If something to take from orbit and bring home! It's just that the civilian apparatus accidentally grabbed a failed alien satellite ... I removed the trash, did a good deed ...

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: RealPilot

Such a device will be useful to us, especially in combination with the spent Union. And the idea of ​​initially making the apparatus a civilian is also not bad, at least dual-purpose: both potential earnings on launches, and, if necessary, deployment in a military version. Plus the cover is good.

Taking into account the SOE of the Union - will it be difficult for the device itself to deliver to LEO, to the payload - 1.5-2 tons? After the flight, to re-glue thousands of thermal protection tiles - half a year of restoration and preparatory operations. Never a commercial device.

[Thrifty]

Realpilot, what's wrong with "Baikal"? He's also a spaceplane-unmanned aerial vehicle, change the electronics and into space! Only, nothing will be built in the country that is inactive, the power does not want to be wasted, even if it is worth it! Therefore, either sponsors, or forget. ...

[Cosm22]

"He is capable of maneuvering in space ..."
How to maneuver? Do you have engine information? They, worthwhile, were not even on Buran, for the reason that it was not possible to squeeze normal engines due to their size and weight into the hull. I had to sculpt only partial orientation engines. But the sizes of this miracle and Buran are incomparable.
Next.
How to withdraw? Union? So only the second one flies with us. Fifth only in the bold designs of Mr. Rogozin. But the second Union is not the fifth Atlas. And RD-107A / 108A is not an RD-180 / Centaur (hydrogen engine, by the way). And it is necessary to push out at least about five tons of PN, if there is a comparison with the Kh-37V. And there will be no RB. And under the head fairing it is necessary to hide the span of almost 5 meters.
Has the landing technology already been worked out? Is the thermal protection problem solved? The problem that the entire mighty USSR and the rich NASA were solving, I see, was solved by playing with Lightning with its budget, which is not even comparable to the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan? Wonders...
Nonsense is all that.
What is reliably known is that a model of a certain product was put on display to a narrow circle of people. Layout! Even the concept was not announced. All!
The rest is speculation, fantasies, fairy tales and wishes.
What kind of civil PN is meant for this miracle? Well, the X-37B has already been classified by all conspiracy theorists as a space interceptor or fighter. This is understandable.
But what does Lightning want to do with its supposedly civilian apparatus?

[Vadim237]

These problems that you describe were solved a long time ago.

[mojohed2012]

There is also the question of why imitate the United States.
Why repeat the method of delivering a shuttle into space by means of a launch vehicle?
Wouldn't it be better to invest in an air launch, where the shuttle can take off into space from the side of a heavy carrier aircraft that has ascended to the maximum possible height?
Then the returnable rocket stages, like those of the Mask, are not needed, because the carrier aircraft will last a long time.
And the shuttle itself will land on the airfield by plane.

[NDR-791]

I also think that this infe contains some kind of "hat". Union and so about nothing on the GP. Taking into account the weight of the shuttle itself, what do they want to carry? Mail or what?
The performance characteristics of the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle. Length: 46,3 m.Diameter: 10,3 m.Loading weight: 306 - 313 tons. Carrying capacity: up to 7,28 tons. Number of stages: 3. Fuel components: oxygen-kerosene.
This is how you can launch an air launch, you can raise the Energia technology back.

[slipped]

You forgot about Soyuz-5, which is now in production. He has 18 tons per LEO.

[mvg]

You forgot about Soyuz-5

Have you already departed? And How? From 2018 to 2021, the launch price tag increased from 35 to 60 million, and that's where it all stopped. They raised 900 million for the Union and 250 million for the modernization of Baikonur ... the question is, when will it pay off?

[slipped]

Quote: mvg

Have you already departed? And How?

Are you stupid? It also says - now in production. The first launch in 2023 from Baiterek. Just a couple of years before AKC's launch.

Quote: mvg

From 2018 to 2021, the launch price tag increased from 35 to 60 million, and that's where it all stopped.

What have you got there? We've got the first step to the dynamics ready. And the "price tag" has already been invented.

Quote: mvg

They raised 900 million for the Union and 250 million for the modernization of Baikonur ... the question is, when will it pay off?

As serial launches begin, it will begin to pay off.

[Vadim237]

In 6 years, Angara A5B should fly, it will have a carrying capacity of 38 tons just for the new spacecraft.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

it will have a carrying capacity of 38 tons just for the new spacecraft.

The X-37B has a mass of 5 tons. If our AKS is made the same, then Soyuz-2 will be enough for launch. If they make it harder and more, then "Soyuz-5"

[Blackmokona]

Because the carrier aircraft for replacing the first stage of the same Falcon-9 should have a speed much faster than a blackbird with a carrying capacity of Ruslan. Can you imagine how much this thing will cost?
Otherwise, the plane is just an ersatz booster to the launch vehicle

[rocket757]

Similar tasks are solved in a similar way ... common practice in technology.

[Ros 56]

And why compare it when the X-37 is made according to our designs, the drawings of which rested striped during the time of the drunk Yeltsin

[Pessimist22]

By the way, I read somewhere that they used the developments of the Soviet complex "Spiral".

[NDR-791]

Quote: Pessimist22

By the way, I read somewhere that they used the developments of the Soviet complex "Spiral".

Not certainly in that way. MiG-105 Spiral.

But the American spaceplane Dream Chaser copied from the Soviet BOR-4

Only a little more American

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Not certainly in that way. MiG-105 Spiral.
[Center][/ Center
This product in -88 splashed down not cleverly in the Indian and Australian fishermen found it and decided to lift it aboard. The Soviet escort control ship TOGE lifted a helicopter and, with air vortices above the invaders, did not allow the enemies to lift the glider aboard ... There was infa-on the helicopter there were two machine guns, to shoot the product, if that ... Everything worked out ....... and the "Buran" flew with heat-shielding plates ........

[Roman3219]

Where did the comments go?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Roman3219

Where did the comments go?

Wait for an answer .... Wait for an answer .... Wait for an answer ... Your call is important to us ... Wait for an answer ...

[Roma 1977]

They comment if something is unclear and there are questions. Everything is clear here, and there are no questions. We are military people.

[Knell wardenheart]

The people are still rejoicing, many do not believe in such good news and are afraid to jinx it.

[Titus_2]

I did not find the same ... although there seemed to be 300 comments.

[mark1]

A reusable space shuttle in a CIVIL version and an unmanned X-37 dimension ... sorry, but why the heck is it needed, what such tasks will it have to perform?
So the anonymous "source in the rocket-building industry" does not inspire confidence in me

[Genry]

Quote: mark1

and why the heck is he needed, what such tasks will he have to perform?

Why would you know?

Now the launch of a satellite into orbit makes up a very small part of the entire development and construction budget with tests of the entire process of launching this satellite.
Often satellites simply stop working, it is impossible to repair them professionally in orbit, therefore there is an urgent need for their descent to the ground ...

[mark1]

Quote: Genry

Why would you know?

Those. you know, but to me "why?" ...

Quote: Genry

therefore there is an urgent need for their descent to the ground ...

Can you imagine the dimension of the X-37? Not every “faulty” satellite can be “removed”. Well, for a military man, this is normal, but what is the role of a CIVIL? It should be much more versatile and cheaper. And the reliability of satellites is now much higher than in the past.

[Genry]

Quote: mark1

Can you imagine the dimension of the X-37?

This is the predominant dimension. It would have been necessary to have a larger one, restored the Buran program, which can lower 20 tons.

Quote: mark1

and the role of the CIVIL in what?

Will not be associated with the military and will not participate in the militarization of outer space.

Quote: mark1

And the reliability of satellites is now much higher than in the past.

Reliability is a statistic, and launching a specific satellite is possibly an urgent need.

[mark1]

Quote: Genry

This is the predominant dimension. It would have been necessary to have a larger one, restored the Buran program, which can lower 20 tons.

Quote: Genry

Will not be associated with the military and will not participate in the militarization of outer space.

Quote: Genry

Reliability is a statistic, and launching a specific satellite is possibly an urgent need.

Amusingly

[xorek]

The device being developed by the NGO Molniya is an unmanned civilian analogue of the American X-37B, that is, it should be created in the same dimension. It is not intended for manned flights, but is designed for the delivery and return of cargo from space.

Well, such bullshit, I have not read it yet ... Tyrit and immediately enroll it in your achievements? ..
Well, China is clear ..
Eh gentlemen, your money doesn't work! But Russia is working for the idea!

[evgen1221]

On a proactive basis, count at home and during smoke breaks on a napkin. Well then, how many heaps of such good are being developed. I am a death star (on my own initiative) (working out), a neighbor to a gravicapu.

[Knell wardenheart]

If so, then this is much better than the traditional "our answer to Chamberlain". There is a need for such BP-devices, if we can still integrate it with an existing missile series that has been debugged in construction, it will be very good. But I am confused "for civilian purposes" - the civilian segment of our space is even more awkward than the military, I am afraid that it will take a very long time to develop and, as a result, will be abandoned at some% of readiness.

[sined]

Compare a secret shuttle with another shuttle about which even less is known ... Usually, after comparisons, there is a conclusion. What's the conclusion? It is necessary to add a new section to VO "News for the sake of news"

[ont65]

A thing useful for "Lightning" is the chance of the century. The X37 is capable of monitoring satellites and spacecraft launched into reference orbit and, if necessary, destroying them. In the event of a mess, several of these vehicles will prevent any launches from Earth. And in peacetime, yes, they can deliver back and forth the goods of the current Union-MS. Why not? Progress will also someday retire like Soyuz-MS.

[Alexey-74]

Talkers, while Russia has not achieved any serious success in space, the legacy of the Union remains less and less. Of course there are plans, but the implementation is very modest.

[Viktor Afanasev]

The USSR created the world's first reusable spacecraft (Buran)
Which landed in automatic mode.
All that we have now is the developments of the military-industrial complex and science of the USSR ...

[fa2998]

Quote: Thrifty

"Proactively" is

In this order, it is unlikely that they will go beyond drawings and 3D models. They have the entire budget for a couple of square meters of refractory tiles. Even with proper funding (and this is tens of billions of rubles), this is not a matter of five years, storytellers!

[victor_47]

Everything is in development and nothing in kind ...

[silviu]

We compared SP Korolev and GE Lozino-Lozinsky with the general director of Molniya Olga Sokolova, whose new shuttle "will fly into space in the next five years." Well, if the party said it would quickly complete it in 5 years. .Who will believe it? She can transfer money offshore

[silviu]

We compared SP Korolev and GE Lozino-Lozinsky with the general director of Molniya Olga Sokolova, whose new shuttle "will fly into space in the next five years." Well, if the party said it would quickly complete it in 5 years. .Who will believe it? She can transfer money offshore

[123456789]

The padishah issued a decree: whoever teaches the donkey to talk in 20 years will receive half the kingdom. Only Nasruddin called. They began to tell him that he was insane and the padishah would cut off his head! Because it is impossible to teach a donkey to speak! To which Nasreddin replied: do not worry about me, in 20 years either the donkey will die, or the padishah will die!

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

The project has long been "Buran"! They ask for money for R&D! Who wants to cheat? Ask for money for a finished project? !!!! Another drank the budget and keep the rest for fools!