"Maintaining a high ideological spirit and morale": "Politicians" will appear in the National Guard

Rosgvardia will have its own political officers. The order on the creation of a military-political administration as part of the Federal National Guard Service was signed by the head of the department, Viktor Zolotov. This was reported by the press service of the Russian Guard.

Speaking at an expanded meeting of the final board of the Rosgvardia, Zolotov, summing up the results of 2020, announced the signing of an order on the creation of the Main Military-Political Directorate in the structure of the department.

Yesterday I signed an Order on the creation of the main military-political department

- quotes the press service of the words of the director of the Russian Guard.

According to the official representative of the department Valery Gribakin, the new department will be engaged in "propaganda work" and monitor the psychological state of employees.

(...) military-political work is intended for the effective solution of the tasks of maintaining a high ideological attitude and morale of the troops in the troops, the political education of personnel

- he added.

In September last year, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the organization of military-political work in the Rosgvardia, issuing a corresponding decree. Earlier, in March 2020, the head of the Russian Guard, Viktor Zolotov, announced the creation of an "institute of political workers" in the department.

Note that the Russian Armed Forces already have a Main Military-Political Directorate. This department in the structure of the Ministry of Defense was recreated in 2018.

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[Flooding]

And since childhood, I liked the loud and sonorous word "commissar" more.
And so that the Mauser is on the side.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Flood

And since childhood, I liked the loud and sonorous word "commissar" more.
And so that the Mauser is on the side.

Well, the commissar is a representative of the party, vested with independent power, and the political officer is just a deputy commander. Of course, the commissioner is cooler But what kind of "ideological and political work" will they carry out if any ideology is prohibited? And once the Ministry of Internal Affairs had its own political one.

[Flooding]

Quote: Doliva63

Of course, the commissioner is cooler

ideologically closer

Quote: Doliva63

party commissioner

in the European police, this rank is interpreted differently

Quote: Doliva63

But what kind of "ideological and political work" will they carry out if any ideology is prohibited?

the same as the political officer. but better quality

[Doliva63]

Europolicy and Putin's guard are all different things, why are they here?
They cannot work better than political officers, because they are political officers.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Doliva63

But what kind of "ideological and political work" will they carry out if any ideology is prohibited?

Well ... Judging by the fact that Zolotov is one of those true KGB party members who changed their shoes in the jump, and guarded Yeltsin and Sobchak ... Political work will be correct, what kind of work is needed.

[matross]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Political work will be correct, what kind of work is needed

You are wrong. There won't be any work. There will be new positions, tons of waste paper, convincing and meaningless reports, notes in the departmental press and stands with visual agitation. It's all.

[Doliva63]

Quote: matRoss

Quote: Lannan Shi

Political work will be correct, what kind of work is needed

You are wrong. There won't be any work. There will be new positions, tons of waste paper, convincing and meaningless reports, notes in the departmental press and stands with visual agitation. It's all.

I think so

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Doliva63

I think so

Uh-huh.
Welcome.

An unkillable tribe of idlers, attached to the officer corps.
They are like weeds, aphids, always sprout ...
From materiel: OTSB- especially valuable papers and mouth.
Here is your division, how they got sick in their time ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Aleks tv

An unkillable tribe of idlers, attached to the officer corps.

Thicker than a political officer, there can only be a waste of time.

[NIKN]

Quote: Doliva63

I think so

Modern educational work aimed at fostering loyalty seems to be more effective if it is built on a material basis. Therefore, it would be more correct to give the post of political officer to the chief of finance.

[Doliva63]

Quote: NIKNN

Quote: Doliva63

I think so

Modern educational work aimed at fostering loyalty seems to be more effective if it is built on a material basis. Therefore, it would be more correct to give the post of political officer to the chief of finance.

Brilliant!
And most importantly - in the spirit of the times!

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: matRoss

There will be new posts, tons of waste paper

Em? Did I say something about the degree of effectiveness of this work? Here everything depends on the performers, whom I do not know, and, accordingly, I cannot evaluate. But its direction is more than clear. Raise the likes of Zolotov.

[matross]

Quote: Lannan Shi

its direction is more than clear. Raise the likes of Zolotov

And again they did not guess. Commander-in-chief itemized goods))
And the direction is quite traditional - patriotism, fidelity to traditions, perseverance and high morale when performing the SBS and in everyday life. But how to achieve - this path should be illuminated by the political administration. However, it will most likely be as usual. Paper storm.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: matRoss

And again they did not guess. Commander-in-chief itemized goods))

Em. And what is unique about it? A banal traitor. Without that same morality, and with ideology in style - moral principles where the bowl is fuller. Such, in any troubled time, can be shipped by wagons.

Quote: matRoss

And the direction is quite traditional -

But the frames will not be suitable for the traditional direction. In order to agitate for moral values, one must have this very morality in oneself. And as far as I can see, with gentlemen like the commander-in-chief, this is not so bad, but in general nothing. And the fact that people with the same morality will take root in such a system ... I love fairy tales, but not so much. And when a person with moral values ​​of a fattening pig will campaign for patriotism and so on ... So ... More likely, the campaign will be in style - whoever eats a girl will dance her. And since the gentlemen have a good dinner for you, then dance with the cudgel, forgetting about any morality. The only reasonable, in this case, kind of agitation. Others are more likely to give the opposite effect, desired by the commander-in-chief. However ... We will live through - we will see.
PS
How can it be possible to agitate for loyalty, when before your eyes a clear example, in the person of Zolotov, that loyalty is garbage, the main thing is to cross over in time?

[matross]

Quote: Lannan Shi

the fact that people with the same morality will take root in such a system ... I love fairy tales, but not so much

Believe me, the system is the same everywhere. Even more - the system is just one. In all departments, not to mention the "sub-run". And people ... people, respectively, are also the same. In the sense - different)) Sorry for the pun. In spite of everything, there are more normal ones.

Quote: Lannan Shi

We will live - we will see.

I agree

[saygon66]

- One-piece - because there can not be two (or more) commanders ...

[Alf]

Quote: matRoss

And the direction is quite traditional - patriotism, fidelity to traditions, perseverance and high morale when performing the SBS and in everyday life.

First of all, loyalty to the king.

[Oden280]

And brainwashing for the personnel on writing notes.

[Lynx2000]

Most likely, the locks for work with personnel (radars) will be "retrained" as "political instructors."
There will be extra hours of political training, notes and hours of political information instead of combat training. The psychologist and the immediate commander should deal with moral character and education.

As my great-uncle said:
What is the difference between a commander and a political instructor?
The first one says: do as I do.
The second says: do as I said.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

[quote = Lynx2000] Most likely locks for work with personnel (radar) will be "retrained" as "political instructors".
There will be extra hours of political training, notes and hours of political information instead of combat training. The psychologist and the immediate commander should deal with moral character and education.
But what kind of help from a psychologist in the moral character and education of l / s? Those that offer colored pieces of paper to sort out according to the desired ranking and answer idiotic questionnaires ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Doliva63

what kind of "ideological and political work"

maintaining a high ideological attitude and morale of the troops in the troops

I wonder what ideas? And the spirit of what morality?

[Per se.]

Quote from Uncle Lee

I wonder what ideas? And the spirit of what morality?

So, it's not hard to guess, one of two things.

[WHAT IS]

maintaining a high ideological attitude and morale of the troops in the troops

Turn around in the march!
Verbal is not a place for slander.
Hush, speakers!
Your
word,
Comrade Mauser.
Only they are not at all like the commissars of the revolution.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: Doliva63

what kind of "ideological and political work"

maintaining a high ideological attitude and morale of the troops in the troops

I wonder what ideas? And the spirit of what morality?

They will come up with it later. It is necessary to master the means first.

[Alexander Kopychev]

But what kind of "ideological and political work" will they carry out if any ideology is prohibited?

For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland. Everything is within the framework of the new constitution.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

But what kind of "ideological and political work" will they carry out if any ideology is prohibited?

For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland. Everything is within the framework of the new constitution.

Faith in the Russian Federation outside the state, there is no king, Fatherland? So they have already exchanged one for chewing gum / jeans / yachts, and they will easily "merge" one more, if it is profitable. I do not see any prospects for the work of political officers

[Alexander Kopychev]

I don't see any prospects for political commissars to work laughing

But what about the growth of the staff, the creation of an entire department with new general positions, and how quickly will the amount of funding jump?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

I don't see any prospects for political commissars to work laughing

But what about the growth of the staff, the creation of an entire department with new general positions, and how quickly will the amount of funding jump?

Well, I agree with that!

[Alf]

Quote: Doliva63

there is no king

Why not ?
Formally, yes, no.
But in fact ... Today the presidency law has already been introduced before the races of the race on the carriage.

Or does someone think that the president will not sign this law?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alf

Or does someone think that the president will not sign this law?

Hello, friend!
Duc, at his request, this law was initiated.
Yesterday an article was on this topic, uuuuh, people spoke out loosely, but today the comments have been rubbed.

[Alf]

Quote: Stroporez

Hello, friend!

Hello dear, hello!

Quote: Stroporez

but today the comments are rubbed.

And yesterday I didn’t even look at the site, I didn’t have time for that, I liked it with an autocompressor.
So ... in light of what you said, I'm afraid my post will be deleted.

Quote: Stroporez

Duc, at his request, this law was initiated

So, we will hear again, Please accept with understanding.

[Olfred]

Greetings! Here, on the next branch, there was just an article on this topic.

https://topwar.ru/181192-gosdumoj-odobren-zakonoproekt-o-prave-prezidenta-ballotirovatsja-esche-dvazhdy.html

It's just a pity the comments were closed, but damn it, I so wanted to read the opinion of the people, what they think about this

[Alf]

Quote: OlfRed

Greetings! Here, on the next branch, there was just an article on this topic.

https://topwar.ru/181192-gosdumoj-odobren-zakonoproekt-o-prave-prezidenta-ballotirovatsja-esche-dvazhdy.html

It's just a pity the comments were closed, but damn it, I so wanted to read the opinion of the people, what they think about this

That is why they closed it down because the people "spoke out". And Mrs. Yasnaya here assured me a couple of days ago that there is no censorship on VO ... Well, for the Zaputins there is no censorship ...

[Olfred]

Thank you for the clarification. However, I had no doubts that for the rule of the "eternal", many would have expressed negatively ...
I understand that he is afraid once again, otherwise you never know, with the current laws and under extremism you can get ... Straight new 37

[Alf]

Quote: OlfRed

Straight new 37

No, in 37 they cleansed the "former" and those who hindered the development of the country. And now they are cleaning those who dare to doubt the Wise One.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Doliva63

I do not see any prospects for the work of political officers

And whoever will pump the fasteners, no one is looking at the zombie, but in the tyrnet there is a continuous sedition.

[Alf]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Doliva63

I do not see any prospects for the work of political officers

And whoever will pump the fasteners, no one is looking at the zombie, but in the tyrnet there is a continuous sedition.

And for the network, we will soon begin blocking, so to speak, so that immature minds are not confused with illicit speeches. That is something local staff zaputintsy will rejoice.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alf

And for the network, we will soon begin blocking, so to speak, so that immature minds are not confused with illicit speeches. That is something local staff zaputintsy will rejoice.

Of course they will rejoice, the litter-TV will not be turned off.
Count it up, there was already a joke, they say we will write paper letters to VO, as to "Morning mail." Well, or through government services

[Alf]

Quote: Stroporez

Well, or through government services

Where our letters will disappear, and those who wrote will receive a com ... political officers from the National Guard with a "support group" and explain to us all the incorrectness of our thoughts with the help of some kind of rubber product with a cross ...

[Alf]

Quote: Stroporez

litter-tv will not turn off.

And they will make viewing it mandatory. As in an anecdote, I'll switch it over to you.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alf

And they will make viewing it mandatory. As in an anecdote, I'll switch it over to you.

And if you missed the broadcast with the evening M., then 15 sutars, be here.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Doliva63

I do not see any prospects for the work of political officers

And whoever will pump the fasteners, no one is looking at the zombie, but in the tyrnet there is a continuous sedition.

So, they are introduced to control the daily viewing of Solovyov Including after lights out

[AUL]

Quote: Doliva63

I do not see any prospects for the work of political officers

Well, of course! Zampolit - the eyes and ears of the ruling party. And educational work ... Do you really think that he can bring up quite sexually mature men, and even who are in arms? How, I wonder? Writing abstracts from "primary sources"? Or by example, sitting in your personal account? You can bring up a person up to 10 -12 years, until he has developed his own system of values. And grown men do not live in a vacuum, they see what is going on around them. So all sorts of unnecessary thoughts can fly into the head. So the political officer should catch these harmful thoughts in time, stop conversations and report on the work done upstairs. And encourage their informers.

[Doliva63]

Quote from AUL

Quote: Doliva63

I do not see any prospects for the work of political officers

Well, of course! Zampolit - the eyes and ears of the ruling party. And educational work ... Do you really think that he can bring up quite sexually mature men, and even who are in arms? How, I wonder? Writing abstracts from "primary sources"? Or by example, sitting in your personal account? You can bring up a person up to 10 -12 years, until he has developed his own system of values. And grown men do not live in a vacuum, they see what is going on around them. So all sorts of unnecessary thoughts can fly into the head. So the political officer should catch these harmful thoughts in time, stop conversations and report on the work done upstairs. And encourage their informers.

Chuhnu, simple, write. Like, not a schoolboy? Did you serve in the army? I had soldiers who could easily "sit down". It was enough to do nothing. But in the end, they continued their service, even became order-bearers, and someone even rose to the rank of deputy of the Regional Department of Internal Affairs. And for the informers, they would also stop by in turnips.

[AUL]

Imagine being served. DMB72. I have seen enough of the political officers and their methods.
Sorry, can you tell us how you saved soldiers from imprisonment and took them to order bearers? What were yours actions and merit in this process?
And about chukhny ... This is your purely personal opinion. I hope you are not claiming the ultimate truth (even though you are a political officer)?

[Doliva63]

Quote from AUL

Imagine being served. DMB72. I have seen enough of the political officers and their methods.
Sorry, can you tell us how you saved soldiers from imprisonment and took them to order bearers? What were yours actions and merit in this process?
And about chukhny ... This is your purely personal opinion. I hope you are not claiming the ultimate truth (even though you are a political officer)?

Only facts claim the ultimate truth, and I have them. And forgive me, for God's sake, for the harsh tone - it's me in the heat of the moment. The soldier “saved” simply - as taught: you look for an unsprouted healthy grain in it and work with it. You correspond (or communicate, and sometimes went on a visit) with parents, classmates (including those who serve in the army at that time), childhood friends. You shield from the actions of the fathers-commanders who can provoke a relapse. You load with new goals in life. Yes, a lot of things, you can't list everything in the post, there is a whole science for this: Military pedagogy and psychology. But in a year after demobilization you would find your political officer in the hospital to tell him: hold on, will we help? And they found it later. It means that I did everything right. And the political commander also went to the commander of the group - and there, without a personal example, there is simply nothing. By tomorrow evening, the group must cover 110 km in the regime .... I forgot the term, well, in general, imperceptibly in the face of opposition. Gone. Zampolit spent. Scouts trust such officers. Or - the separation of the group from the pursuit, almost 70 km through the mountains. Have come off. Tired not to convey. After this, the political officer has all the personnel - "snitches", if you think. It was just that the political officer was an authority for them in the service. They believe in him unconditionally. Therefore, in general, it was not difficult to work. Because they believe you. At the senior intelligence officer's father died, he is entitled to leave, of course. But by train. You grab a fighter, rush to the nearest airfield, where the BTA planes land, find the necessary board, brandy for the commander, and your fighter is already at home in the evening. And then you return to the barracks, work with the "difficult" fighter, look through the correspondence with your parents / friends, and at night you prepare for special tactical training, where you will again lead the reconnaissance group to where Makar did not drive calves. Demobilization comes. 2-3 people come to the "cell". Take out the "bubble". We are, like, excluded from the part lists, let me drink 100 grams with you? Well, of course, you will sniff from a glass, say parting words ... Damn, and every time the toad crushed - such specialists leave! And you never know who will replace it. As much as they could, they were left for extra-urgent and warrant officers. But what is it? Tears ... And now we communicate in classmates, we remember the service on August 2 and November 5 without fail. In my opinion, the political officer is a vocation. I was a good political officer. But that was not my calling, I was just taught well. And I did my job honestly. But then he became a commander - at the call of his ancestors, so to speak).
P.S. About the "snitches". The chief scout comes to me not from the group with which I went, but from our company, of course. And he says: here is a report for you in a special department, if that. Corporal Pupkin wrote. We made a copy. Maybe we will "squeeze" the corporal? In no case! Let the Special Section not know what we know. Well, it’s logical, it’s like ... And then I went to the special officer, laid out the paper and said - this thief corporal is on your conscience - they will peck him now! Get him out of the company as you please! Otherwise, I go to the party committee and report on your awkward work. The corporal was quickly transferred from us. In general, the political officer in the army was in place. If you are unlucky with it, this is a special case.

[Kaman]

Zampolites are ours, in Belarusian. And also posters are needed: "the decisions of the VIII Congress of the United Russia party in life", "the people and the party are united." There are many great slogans that can and should be adapted.

[fruc]

They used to be commissars, and since some time they have been re-paid as political workers.

[Doliva63]

Quote: frruc

They used to be commissars, and since some time they have been re-paid as political workers.

And what was wrong with the political workers, if they really were "workers"? We plowed like everyone else. As for the commissars, in the SA they have always been in a hidden form - they were called PMCs. From the army and above.

[Civil]

Quote: Flood

And since childhood, I liked the loud and sonorous word "commissar" more.

Commissioner led political work behind population. In the interests of the working people.
And this "agitator-propagandist" will explain on the guard of whose particular interests the National Guard is.

[Flooding]

Quote: Civil

The Commissioner carried out political work for the population. In the interests of the working people.
And this "agitator-propagandist" will explain on the guard of whose particular interests the National Guard is.

yes, all this is clear without explanation
on the surface lies
do you want a political officer? here
and I would like to see the commissioner in a leather jacket with a Mauser

[Civil]

Quote: Flood

and I would like to see the commissioner in a leather jacket with a Mauser

And with him are his comrades with red bands on their sleeves.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Civil

Quote: Flood

and I would like to see the commissioner in a leather jacket with a Mauser

And with him are his comrades with red bands on their sleeves.

))) On the threshold of his apartment at three in the morning.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Civil

And this "agitator-propagandist" will explain on the guard of whose particular interests the National Guard is.

And what is there to explain? The main thing is to understand the difference between “patriots” and “extremists”:

The official's son asks his father:
- Dad, what is patriotism?
- This is when ordinary people work for a penny so that we can live on an estate, go to a dacha in Italy ...
“But aren't they angry about this?
- Of course they are angry, but this is extremism.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Civil

Quote: Flood

And since childhood, I liked the loud and sonorous word "commissar" more.

Commissioner led political work behind population. In the interests of the working people.
And this "agitator-propagandist" will explain on the guard of whose particular interests the National Guard is.

Not on whose guard, but why on their guard. On someone's - everyone knows, you justify why for this to climb under the bullets! Sweat, poor fellows!

[paul3390]

The Commissioner carried out political work for the population. In the interests of the working people.

So it was.

[Doliva63]

Quote: paul3390

The Commissioner carried out political work for the population. In the interests of the working people.

So it was.

No, well, even enemies do not "run into" Felix! For nefig, to put it mildly. I don't like "chekists" (pay attention to the quotes), but I respect Felix!

[Alf]

Quote: Civil

And this "agitator-propagandist" will explain on the guard of whose particular interests the National Guard is.

And make sure that they suddenly do not think ...

[Cat]

And a dusty helmet

[Monster_Fat]

The order on the creation of a military-political administration as part of the Federal National Guard Service was signed by the head of the department, Viktor Zolotov.

hmm .... Zolotov ... I hope these so-called "political officers-pompolity" will not be bothered by a hairdryer.

[forty-eighth]

The duelist is dissatisfied with the fighting spirit of his subordinates. We urgently need to fix it.

[Flooding]

Quote: forty-eighth

The duelist is unhappy with the fighting spirit of his subordinates

do not want to fight with NATalka?

[forty-eighth]

Apparently they are hesitating.

[fruc]

The order on the creation of a military-political administration as part of the Federal National Guard Service was signed by the head of the department, Viktor Zolotov.

Well, he died. They need an anti-corruption committee at the headquarters. Better yet, to abolish this structure together with Zolotov as unnecessary.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: forty-eighth

The duelist is dissatisfied with the fighting spirit of his subordinates. We urgently need to fix it.

The duelist just repeated the actions of Mr. Shoigu, who restored GlavPUR in 2018. Do you want to say that problems with morale began earlier in the army?

[fruc]

And it would not be more progmatic to introduce a full-time position- psychologist... Or is it necessary to assign a title to someone the general and to appoint to the post of chief political worker an especially close one and a bunch of colonels, his deputies and assistants.

[forty-eighth]

No, I would not like to say that
But if the institution of political officers in the army is a fairly traditional thing, then in the ranks of the gendarmerie it is a novelty.

[Konnick]

Discipline fell sharply, for example, in the Dzerzhinsky division. There is no one to choose from among recruits for such a "delicate" service as dispersing demonstrators. You can't take a higher education, these people already think that they have to call on whoever they have to. Earlier, in Soviet times, guys from the countryside, excluding the Moscow region and the nearest regions, were recruited into this Moscow special-purpose division, so as not to accidentally meet your friends when you are on duty. Moreover, they were called there for a height of at least 180 cm.
It was decided to increase the discipline by the deputies for educational work ... I myself, on the mobilization of the deputy committee of the MSB for the time
Once I went to Lipetsk, on the train I got into a conversation with the "buyer" from the Don named after Dzerzhinsky, he was indignant that they were taken there even with a criminal record, although it was 15 years ago. I don't know how it is now, but according to my nephew, he served in the National Guard a year ago, but in the protection of Rosatom facilities, hazing in Dzerzhinka flourished.

[Sergej1972]

The Dzerzhinsky Division does not participate in the protection of Rosatom facilities. In general, the protection of objects
not its function. And to disperse the demonstrators, other units and subdivisions of the Russian Guard are intended. This is an operational division, there seems to be one regiment engaged in police functions, it used to be called "police". And everything else is essentially a light motorized rifle division.

[Konnick]

Thank you, read carefully, my nephew did not serve in Dzerzhinka, he, with the highest legal status, was taken to another part, which guards Rosatom facilities. But they are aware of what is going on in the Don, at least their commanders.

[Fedor Sokolov]

And why are political officers and high morale when suppressing unauthorized protests against the authorities? Probably so that the hand does not flinch.

[Pereira]

Since Zolotov was worried, therefore, many trembled. I shouldn't have fussed about.

[fruc]

You have bent something a lot. What kind of power? Go to Wikipedia and read the functions and tasks of the National Guard.

[Pereira]

It is right. It is necessary. Zolotov knows what he is talking about.
Otherwise, you will crack someone on the head with a stick or pour water over them, and this is your grandfather, protesting against raising the retirement age, or your nephew dissatisfied with the cancellation of free education.
Everything is correct. War is like war. No pity for the Morlocks. Commissioners should help set up properly.
We still lacked fraternization with the protesters.
The Russian Guard must go to the house to take off his mask and tenderly ask the victim - who is this to you? And then calmly falling asleep thinking - it was a highly professional blow.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Pereira

Commissioners should help set up properly.

The best mood from remorse can be given by a dose taken on time ...
Perhaps it is better to recruit drug addicts instead of political officers?

[Pereira]

Then already drug dealers. Give the idea to Zolotov. For some reason, it seems to me that he will not reject outright.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: ROSS 42

The best mood from remorse can be given by a dose taken on time ...
Perhaps it is better to recruit drug addicts instead of political officers?

Comrade, are you sure that certain medications are not used to raise the "fighting spirit"?

[paul3390]

And then you will crack someone on the head with a stick

Do you remember - under what slogans like the Democrats were eager for power?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: paul3390

paul3390 (Pavel

I have already quoted L.N. Tolstoy from October 5, 1881:
"The stench, stones, luxury, poverty. Debauchery. The villains who robbed the people have gathered, they have recruited soldiers and judges to guard their orgy, and are feasting. The people have nothing else to do but take advantage of the passions of these people to lure back the loot from them."
So what has changed in 140 years?

[Roman070280]

You can't say better ..))

[Thrifty]

Now they will be political commissars, in a couple of years they will be renamed into political instructors, and then you see, they will return their first "name" commissars! Everything will be just like in the song "political officers, political instructors, but still commissars" !!!

[Well done]

The surname of Zolotov was mentioned in vain, he is still a "character"! ... I myself served in the Internal Troops, the political commander in 97 was called deputy committee. companies for work with personnel. Far from being a superfluous character, an officer, he sometimes helped with access to the "uval" ... Len.room provided video cassettes for hire. The officer worked for the benefit of conscripts, there would be more of them.

[Kisa]

about the political officer when he pulled an urgent one only remembered that he was seen more or less sober only in the morning at the divorce. he fermented with a lot of pottery without drying out. I remember so he got drunk nuuu in the trash. he was brought to the unit in a UAZ car to the checkpoint and unloaded and we 4 conscripts loaded the body into a stretcher and across the entire parade ground into the barracks. and there my wife just arrived the 1st time in a year and here it’s shit ... "- Vitenka, what’s wrong with you, I’m still so ashamed of him

[Woodman]

I approve of the GPU Institute. BUT!!! I suspect that comments on this news will be blocked by the evening too !!!

[Pereira]

Most likely yes, as with yesterday's article on double zeroing.

[Civil]

Quote: Pereira

Most likely yes, as with yesterday's article on double zeroing.

Eh did not have time to read what was there? As much as 300 comments ...

[Pereira]

It was assumed that upon learning the news, the people would happily throw up their caps, express loyal feelings in every possible way and demonstrate approval. But it turned out the other way around.
Foolish people didn't appreciate the care. It seems that someone from the irresponsible even frightened Lukashenka. But I'm not completely sure.
A little more and the site could be accused of pandering to Navalny's gang.
That's all and rubbed.

[evgen1221]

And I'm the only one wondering, sent a request to the admins for an official explanation on the website of this sad case? Or did everyone keep silent? Then it is generally necessary to leave only the Armament branch on the site, as the most not subject to the stupid prohibitions of the adored party, headed by those who cannot be called by name.

[Pereira]

I suppose the admins will keep silent too. For company.

[Revival]

Sent too, we are waiting

[Woodman]

Quote: evgen1221

And I'm the only one wondering, did I send a request to the admins for an official explanation on the website of this sad case? Or did everyone keep silent?

It's just that this is not the first such case, we get used to it slowly.

[evgen1221]

Sadness. It's not worth getting used to.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Civil

for 300 comments ...

The members of the forum actively spoke out on the topic of the presidency for life in a completely non-rigid TV form.

[Svarog]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Civil

for 300 comments ...

The members of the forum actively spoke out on the topic of the presidency for life in a completely non-rigid TV form.

For this reason, the comments were hidden .. so as not to show the public the "love" of the people.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Svarog

For this reason, the comments were hidden .. so as not to show the public the "love" of the people.

Ha, the young lady's love is capricious and changeable, and they all think she will endure falling in love, only it is evident that the patient has burst.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Do we need political officers in the army and the National Guard?

Judging by the comments on both this article and some others - no doubt!

Another thing, which will these people be? If such as the epic "political commissars, political instructors, and still - commissars" or the famous "battalion commander" - the junior political instructor Eremenko, then - great. Unfortunately, not all political officers, pompolites, whom I met in my life, corresponded to this title, there were people who were random. And a few people, nevertheless, with good reason were called "commissars" behind their backs (in the navy, at least where I worked, the unofficial nicknames "commander", "commissar", "chief", "sam" were in use) ...

Another difficulty is that the system is NOT socialist now. Although, in any system, attention, care for an ordinary person is needed. The present attention and care, and not simulated for the sake of a tick or a line in the report.

The present political officers Need, of course.

[iouris]

What is "ideological attitude"? (Its creation, after all, will require the same appropriations).
How does "spirit" differ from "morale"? (Again, an appropriation will be required.)
In general, what are we talking about? To begin with, it was necessary at least to read the textbooks developed at the VPA them. Lenin.

[rocket757]

"Maintaining a high ideological spirit and morale": "Politicians" will appear in the National Guard

Well, where are they without a high moral SPIRIT ???
But the whole previous story is just like that and "whispers" that ... it's too late to drink Borjomi, when the kidneys FALL OFF !!! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to remake an adult, which means there will be ... PUNISHMENT BODY! Otherwise, in such a situation DOES NOT HAPPEN!
Someone has something to say differently?

[Woodman]

Quote: rocket757

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to remake an adult, which means there will be ... PUNISHMENT BODY!

But you can follow the law as an adult. And instead of a punitive body, get a properly motivated law enforcement officer. It all depends from what position you look at it.
And the GPU is not an invention of contemporaries.

[rocket757]

Quote: Lesovik

But you can follow the law as an adult.

Why do we need a "commissar" for this? It is not necessary to erode the UNITY OF COMMUNICATION in the army / bodies.

Quote: Lesovik

And instead of a punitive body, get a properly motivated law enforcement officer.

As if YES, but very much depends on the quality of the directing element / employee !!! WHERE to get them ??? If they come from the same, not very "inspired" environment ...
Any business must be done very CAREFULLY, by a simple order, the order never came out worthwhile in this area!
Those. there are many doubts that something worthwhile will come out. Life experience, however, "whispers"!

[Woodman]

Quote: rocket757

a simple order, an order of nothing worthwhile, in this area, never came out!

And without an order, nothing happens in such structures. Therefore, everything begins with an order. And then it depends on the performers.

It is not necessary to erode the UNITY OF COMMUNICATION in the army / bodies.

I did not notice in the article hints that the political officer is a competitor to the commander.

[rocket757]

Quote: Lesovik

And then it depends on the performers.

I just want to ask "Who are the judges" ???
Okay, you can't trample against the order .... and the consequences, they will manifest themselves. I guess you won't have to wait long for them. This is how life experience and common sense "whisper" to me.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

Someone has something to say differently?

I understand that this is:

«Maintaining a high ideological spirit and morale":" Politicians "will appear in the National Guard

done so that after that:

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in terms of high morale, the employee was not tormented by remorse, and the high ideological spirit made it possible to "knock out the habalka" from the first blow ...

[rocket757]

Me / we were taught that a soldier / warrior / serviceman should be more human than anyone else !!!
Because it’s so right!
But we were taught that ... from the very beginning to the end.
It didn't always work, of course, but these were EXCEPTIONS !!! confirming the rule.
Now, to learn a serious, effective "commissar" you need to start ... it was necessary to start like this fifteen years ago! And now there will be SCARE !!! which will do more harm than good, if not worse, if it rolls down to what I fear most.

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

Someone has something to say differently?

We decided to dance on a rake or otherwise, there must be a commander and an educator, otherwise it will start again, which is more important ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

We decided to dance on a rake or otherwise, there must be a commander and an educator, otherwise it will start again, which is more important ...

Of course, it is not the gods who burn the pots, it is never too late to LEARN !!! But "our potter" ordered to pile a VASE, which he himself ... he WANTS something, only nifiga does not understand that it is not done THIS!
The question is, who will collect the fragments, of which there MUST be a lot ???

[cniza]

Uh-huh, "seven nannies have a child without an eye" - one-man management is the basis of the foundations ...

[Trapp1st]

"Politicians" will appear in Rosgvardia

Without a big purge in the best traditions, this is just another potential corrupt official (at best), at the expense of the people.

[Roman070280]

The king is afraid ..))

[voyaka uh]

And for good reason.
In the countries of Latin America, national guardsmen more than once
staged coups and overthrew the very presidents who
were called upon to protect from internal enemies.
And all sorts of "chiefs of personal guards" and "colonels of the national guards"
became presidents.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: voyaka uh

And for good reason.
In the countries of Latin America, national guardsmen more than once
staged coups and overthrew the very presidents who
were called upon to protect from internal enemies.
And all sorts of "chiefs of personal guards" and "colonels of the national guards"
became presidents.

Well, the Russian Federation is a separate civilization, its common yardstick cannot be measured and the mind cannot be understood, therefore, after the end of VChV ..... tanks and PA were taken away from the "Vovans" ...

[Pereira]

Don't tell Zolotov. And then the kiddie knows what he has under his cap - what tricky little thoughts are spinning. Well, as he pleases!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: voyaka uh

And for good reason.
In the countries of Latin America, national guardsmen more than once
staged coups and overthrew the very presidents who
were called upon to protect from internal enemies.

Oh, come on. Our army with the "vovans" did not revolt even in the 90s - when officers in Moscow worked as loaders at night. Even the First Chechen, with its endless betrayals and the obscene world as a conclusion, did not prompt a coup.

[Svarog]

Quote: voyaka uh

And all sorts of "chiefs of personal guards" and "colonels of the national guards"
became presidents.

Zolotov President .. hmm .. amazing .. but we have a country of "opportunities" and it is not worth excluding anything ..

[Antidote]

The winner will be the one who comes to the finish line third.

[evgen1221]

Did we have an idea in the country? And what an apology ??? If the one that plundered, disappeared, the guards from the cattle (I mean, there is such a thing, but why did they come up with an excuse for this fundamental idea of ​​the territory?

[cniza]

military-political work is designed to effectively solve the tasks of maintaining a high ideological attitude and morale of troops in the troops, political education of personnel

And officers - commanders cannot, but for me this is how they should be engaged in this ...

[ultra]

The work of political officers is based on ideology. What is our ideology now?

[Revival]

The ideology of rallying, solidarity for the sake of the top against ........

[Alf]

Quote: Revival

The ideology of rallying, solidarity for the sake of the top against ........

[impostor]

What is our ideology now?

Since the late 90s it (ideology) has not undergone any fundamental changes. Its essence was very talentedly revealed in the series "Gangster Petersburg", which, for obvious reasons, is now gathering dust on the shelves of the film archive ...

[Sergej1972]

Constantly shown on the channels "Russian detective" and "Russian bestseller".

[iouris]

This is not an ideology, this is a philosophy.
The main question of the National Guard is a metaphilosophical and historical-philosophical concept, according to which the main problem of the special service throughout its history is the question of the relationship of consciousness to matter, thinking to being, spirit to nature.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: iouris

This is not an ideology, this is a philosophy.
The main question of the Russian Guard is a metaphilosophical and historical-philosophical concept,

Colleague! Do you really think that the National Guard will be able to decipher your message?

[iouris]

And they have Khinshtein there. He is an intellectual.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: iouris

And they have Khinshtein there. He is an intellectual.

Even if we assume that he remained with them, then multiplied by zero zolotov, the action is zero

[saygon66]

- The concept does not require decryption!
- For whoever does not believe like a child will not see the bonus! For a long time!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: saygon66

- The concept does not require decryption!
- For whoever does not believe like a child will not see the bonus! For a long time!

Well, yes, grandmother and a Moscow residence permit can solve any moral and ethical problems.

[Revival]

National Guard and political officers sounds strange ...

[mojohed2012]

Before my eyes is this perspective:
Zampolit: Hello comrades !?
Stroy: Hello ... zhla ... careful ... nt.
Zampolit: today I will bring to you political information about the state of peace and the threat of war outside our state ...
Build: they yawn, trying to hide ... they avert their eyes and demonstrate in a bored manner: again it has suffered, to sit here now for two hours listening to all kinds of ...

[Konstantin Gogolev]

In 2004 he served as a line in the BB. The zampolit was bad - he drank too much, and the soldier beat him to injury. Even the double bass could not stand it - they took another victim to the medical unit at the battalion and recorded the beatings. In the evening, the battalion commander came (also not the father of the soldiers nifiga - he came to grab the 3rd star) and explained for a long time and tediously that we were shit. In short, even though the kid was not put in prison, and that's good. Later, the zampolit, being responsible for the company and "strongly vhlam", raised the company on alarm and drove to storm the guardhouse (the situation could be very bad - the ATO zone). He was then sent to the "mainland" and thank God.
But! He filled our heads with practically nothing. I (after college) took notes for him, I spent 30 percent of the lessons. And everyone was interested, because they talked about topics that were really interesting to us. Mostly military history.
We need political officers, for it is necessary to educate a soldier. But! The zampolit must serve, engage in educational work for real, and not "endure until he is put on the comrades." I have to tell real things, but the RosGvardia ... Most likely, there will be just propaganda. Just leaving the room. And this is worse than even the lack of information - the soldier should not see the indifference of his commanders. Never! Otherwise, he himself will become indifferent.

[evgen1221]

Here I agree. But what kind of propaganda in the National Guard he will have to convey to the personnel. What you see is the people, and this is Mr. Kakashkin and his factory has a riot because Mr. Kaka keeps people for poop, so let's rally to protect the interests and yachts of Mr. Benefactor, otherwise our salary will be cut. Well, such a thing.

[Konstantin Gogolev]

There is only one propaganda in Russia - all foreign politicians want to conquer us, because all foreign financiers want to rob us. Some of the truth is present here, but it is more profitable not to fight - it is more profitable to be friends and trade. But! For bad words / actions, it is necessary to punish harshly, otherwise they are accustomed to revile us.
And it is necessary to educate patriotism and "a feeling of fellowship among the people." Although this is a problem, given the awareness of the people about corruption, foreign citizenship of officials and oligarchs.

[evgen1221]

Well, what did they want, under capitalism, the refrigerator always wins the TV. On an empty pocket, stomach and pants in patches, love for the homeland and Mr. Kakashka's owners of everything and everyone and their sowing in combination, apparently, should awaken especially brightly in the population.

[samarin1969]

It is noteworthy that "ideological detachments" appeared in the National Guard. Psychologists already worked there, and special sustainability trainings are being conducted. It is difficult to understand why the defense against terrorists also needed an "ideological attitude". It seems to be enough to serve the law and the whole society, to carry out orders.
"Ideology", in contrast to law and morality, is a very relative system. Formally, the law does not prohibit either "Trotskyists" or "Calvinists". The main law in the Russian Federation is the 1993 Constitution. Are the "political workers" going to take exams for their loyalty to the teachings of "Shahraism-Sobchakism"?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: samarin1969

It is noteworthy that "ideological detachments" appeared in the National Guard.

Read the article to the end - the first GlavPUR was revived by the army, back in 2018.

[Altona]

Quote: samarin1969

Are the "political workers" really going to take exams for their loyalty to the teachings of "Shahraism-Sobchakism"?

---------------------------
"I, a representative of the deep people, swear to be a loyal defender of Putinism, to defend with honor Kovalchuk and Rotenberg, Usmanov and Abramovich. I swear to strictly monitor stability and not allow Mediterranean yachts to sway. (Well, blah blah blah)" Such an oath is already necessary enter.

[faterdom]

maintaining a high ideological attitude in the troops

Hey, you up there ...
Generally, state the IDEA, and do not start with an "ideological attitude".
And then as from a children's song: "Well ... there are, but the words - no!"
So here: the idea has not been stated by anyone anywhere, but the "ideological attitude", and even the states for it with guaranteed monetary allowances, allowances and a pension, please!
Some kind of table-turning and spiritualism.

[TAMBU]

What dignity will they be in? ... that is the main question)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: TAMBU

What dignity will they be in? ... that is the main question)

Everything is classic - castellan officer.

- How can I help, my son?
“I thought you were a castellan officer, sir,” Bill said, stunned.
“Yes, my son, and this is far from the only burden placed on my weak shoulders. Few need chaplains in these difficult times, and the demand for castellan officers is great. I try to be useful. And he humbly bowed his head.
- But you ... who are you all the same? Castellan officer and chaplain or chaplain and castellan officer?
- This secret is great, my son. There are phenomena, the essence of which is better not to delve into. But I see that your soul is in turmoil. Tell me, do you believe?
- What?
- I'm asking you what? - barked the chaplain, in whose guise the features of a castellan officer appeared for a moment. - How can I help you if I don't know what religion you profess?

“By the grace of Ahuramazda, I am the anointed priest of Zoroastrianism; by the will of Allah - the faithful muezzin of Islam; by Jehovah's permission - a circumcised rabbi, and so on.
Here his benevolent face was distorted by an evil grin.
“And because of the lack of officers, there’s also a fucking castellan officer!”

© Harry Harrison

[iouris]

Quote: TAMBU

What dignity will they be in? ..

Father, mullah, rabbi (although unlikely), chaplain (this is modern, like in England).
Although the task of "ideological attitude" should be solved by a party representative, a political commissar, together with a special officer.

[fa2998]

Quote: Doliva63

Well, the commissar is a representative of the party, vested with independent power, and the political officer

-representative of the party "United Russia". I think others will not be allowed there.
П

[pexotinec]

From the ground, the people are reduced to such an extent that there is no one to work, and then political officers are brought in. The top of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not see the reality.

[Alf]

Quote: pexotinec

From the ground, the people are reduced to such an extent that there is no one to work

And they facilitate the adoption of Russian citizenship for those who have climbed down from the mountains and sheep.

[Glory1974]

From the ground, the people are reduced to such an extent that there is no one to work, and then political officers are brought in. The top of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not see the reality.

Rosgvardia has nothing to do with the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
The zampolites did not disappear all this time, but they perfectly existed among the troops.
The news says that they will create a department in Moscow, in the headquarters of the Russian Guard. For military units, nothing will change.

[Sergej1972]

Rosgvardia is a separate structure from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

[Until Ger]

To flush the brains of the Rosguards
will ... hard .... these
political officers
The throne is shaking.
What if Rosgvadia has ... doubts
will appear. To beat or not to beat.
And suddenly they swing a club
will refuse.
With the other king
this role was played by the Cossacks.
The rallies were dispersed with whips.
Well, where are they now ...
The decorating was tough
even cruel.
But fair.
And here comes the guarding ...
And Rosgadam will have to ...
(especially for those who love
plant drugs on citizens
and send citizens to prisons
for five years)
run, ripping off the form ...
But where should they run ...

[saygon66]

- It was necessary to be born as a Cossack ... To be born as a National Guard, to live life as a National Guard - this is a plot worthy of Pelevin!

[saygon66]

- That is, you need to understand that the institution of priesthood in law enforcement agencies ordered to live a long time ?!
- Without regaining consciousness .... It looks like the seven commandments, in this case. lost relevance ...

[Alf]

Quote: saygon66

- That is, you need to understand that the institution of priesthood in law enforcement agencies ordered to live a long time ?!

How is it ? It does not interfere. There will be vigil on both sides ...

[saygon66]

- Well this is what a vinaigrette in their heads!

[Metallurg_2]

Language is a political instructor's weapon.

[Brother]

Like ... will lick !?
And I even know what! and to whom!

[Charik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaEJf7SFlA4

[Brother]

hmm ... everything is going according to plan. And there will be no voluntary change to Putin and his brothers who are now operating in the country.

[Mezabralis]

These political workers will explain to the soldiers:
- it's great that the country has been ruled by one person for 20 years,
- that if United Russia does not win the elections, then gays will come from Europe and take away all the national wealth.
- Only in Russia do people live well, in Europe everyone is either gays, or lesbians, or their servants. Liberal Europe will die in a few years, and Russia will save the world.
- there are only enemies around, without Putin the country would have been destroyed long ago, the US fleet would be based in Crimea, and the Russians would be slaves of NATO

[Altona]

Quote: Mezabralis

- that if United Russia does not win the elections, then gays will come from Europe and take away all the national wealth.

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So the top officials of United Russia are probably what you named. Plus consumers of refined Argentinean powder. The judgment is evaluative and is given in polemics, please do not initiate.

[Alexey Polyutkin]

Well, it began))) To motivate salary or improvements in the country, why? political officers are cheaper))))) Aha-haa))))

[Maalkavianin]

Stupid idea. As if not Russia but some kind of Warhammer.

[Altona]

How expedient is it to introduce some "political officers" into the Praetorian Guard, and even more so to bring up some kind of "patriotic spirit"? Moreover, Rosgvardia already has churches at its locations. That is, after the priest, the soldier-guard will be treated by some secular "ideologically savvy" face? Bless and inspire to kill civilians? In general, I cannot understand it otherwise. In a state where the main ideology is "making money" all these antics are complete nonsense. As for the guardsmen, they do not live in a vacuum, and the majority understand that they are simply being morally pumped up to fight dissent.
PS Although everything can come down to the fact that "worthless of the sovereign with a snuffbox in his temple, well, nekomilfo"))).

[martin-159]

Quote: matRoss

Commander-in-chief piece goods

A hint that the post is for sale?

[Basarev]

They are no longer so willing to knit compatriots, they understand that raising a hand against their people is the last thing. This is good, reason is winning, the guards are not lost yet.