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New Turkish ATAK 2 heavy attack helicopter will receive Ukrainian engines

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New Turkish ATAK 2 heavy attack helicopter will receive Ukrainian engines

The Turkish heavy-class combat helicopter (Ağır Sınıf Taarruz Helikopter - ATAK 2) will receive Ukrainian engines. This was stated by the general director of the aircraft manufacturer TUSAŞ Tenil Kotil, according to the Turkish portal savunmasanayist.com.


According to the general director, the new Turkish combat helicopter will receive Ukrainian-made engines. At the same time, Kotil did not give other details regarding the power plants, limiting himself only to this statement.

Attack helicopter of the heavy class ATAK 2 is being created by the Turkish aircraft building association Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) in the interests of the Turkish armed forces. The contract for its development was officially signed by the Turkish Ministry of Defense in 2019.

According to available data, the new helicopter will be of the same class as the American AN-64 Apache and the Russian Mi-28NM Night Hunter. The declared take-off weight should be 10 tons and the payload mass "over 1200 kg". The helicopter should be equipped with a 30-mm cannon, missile armament from the latest T129 versions and modern avionics. The widest possible use of Turkish-made systems and equipment is declared.

The helicopter is being developed taking into account the combat experience gained in Syria. Among the advantages of the vehicle, the Turks note the better protection of the pilot, improved booking, more modern electronics, reduced visibility of the vehicle and a wide variety of outboard weapons. In the future, it should replace the lighter T129 ATAK combat helicopter. The first flight of the heavy helicopter is scheduled for 2024-2025.
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  1. NF68
    NF68 15 March 2021 16: 37
    +5
    As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.
    1. Maz
      Maz 15 March 2021 16: 47
      +3
      I sympathize with the Turkish pilots.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 15 March 2021 16: 57
        +23
        Quote: Maz
        I sympathize with the Turkish pilots.

        Why? TV-3-117 are good engines.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 15 March 2021 17: 05
          +9
          Quote: Avis
          TV-3-117 are good engines.

          Supplier not important ...............
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 15 March 2021 17: 20
            +12
            Well, until very recently, these engines went on board the Aerospace Forces through a gasket all of a sudden in Estonia. For its own release was not even enough for the state defense order. Now Ukrainian engines are also usually used for export boards.
            1. hrych
              hrych 15 March 2021 17: 27
              +1
              Quote: donavi49
              went to the sides of the VKS through the gasket suddenly in Estonia

              I don't consider such insights to be true. wassat If only Belarus was dragged in or there Egypt And then "friendly to us" Estonia. NATO country for between times. Maybe you smuggled sprat wassatReally from the bearded "officer's daughter" infa?
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 15 March 2021 17: 45
                -1
                Well, this is how the SBU opened it. Since 2018, more than 600 cargoes have gone to Bosnia -> Estonia -> Russia wink .



                1. hrych
                  hrych 15 March 2021 17: 53
                  +5
                  And I need these pictures wassat What have you proved? Where is Shoigu or Gerasimov buying counterfeit goods from hucksters? wassat Where are the engines from Motor Sich in the boxes? Bloggers got it with their "sensations" invented in the kitchen, or rather in the closet wassat
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 16 March 2021 06: 01
                    -2
                    Quote: hrych
                    Where are the engines from Motor Sich in the boxes?

                    In the same place where there are three sets of D-18 engines for Ruslans (12 pcs.), Three sets of engines for the Be-200 (6 pcs.) And three sets for heavy Mi-26 helicopters (6 pcs.) And this is only for last spring.
                    Haven't you heard?
                    But the scandal was loud - there, in Ukraine.
                    I'm not even talking about engines for the Mi-8, Mi-24 \ 35, Mi-28 and Ka-52 - since 2015, through the gaskets in a continuous flow, despite the obstacles. Because the first batch of such engines in Russia was assembled only in 2015 (production was being prepared for several years) in a quantity of no more than 50 pieces. (for no more than 25 helicopters), and production grew at a pace that was by no means Stakhanov's ... and the quality was also not very good (new production, after all, is a technical process).
                    So speaking about the unreliability of a partner, we must first of all talk about the Bandera state. But the Zaporozhye Aviation Plant itself, back in the 90s, was one of the three world giants of aircraft engine building, along with Rolls-Royce and General Electric. It is necessary to be more respectful to such an enterprise - the Chinese are not fighting for it for nothing.
                    And the Turkish helicopter builders can only be envied - they will get (if they get it) very high quality, time-tested and operational in dozens of countries and dozens (if not hundreds) of military conflicts - from the Arctic to Africa.
                    Quote: hrych
                    Where are the engines from Motor Sich in the boxes?

                    The boxes contain spare parts and accessories. And it's very good that the engines themselves have reached the addressee.
                    Before the collapse, it was the best aircraft engine plant in the Soviet Union, the most modern and equipped, capable of producing the widest range of aircraft engines. And unlike many other similar enterprises, for 30 years he has not lost his competencies and all these years has supplied engines for most aircraft and helicopters (all) built in Russia and the former Ukraine.
                    And the refusal to return natural Russian lands in 2014 is not just a crime, it is a mistake. And the staked Russian aircraft building programs are witnesses to this.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 17 March 2021 18: 02
                      0
                      Quote: bayard
                      And the stakes of the Russian aircraft building programs are witnesses to this.

                      A bold statement, but no longer true.
                      Quote: bayard
                      And the refusal to return natural Russian lands in 2014 is not just a crime, it is a mistake.

                      You need to have intelligence data, you need to anticipate a response, it was necessary to complete the rearmament and go to hypersound. And also to bring intercontinental cruise missiles and especially super torpedoes to the testing stage. Finish beam weapons, i.e. EMP and laser cannons. When Poseidon comes on duty, the EU, and possibly the US, will collapse. For they are holding on to military superiority, which is disappearing before our eyes. And there, take what you want ...
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 17 March 2021 20: 55
                        -1
                        Quote: hrych
                        A bold statement, but no longer true.

                        Unfortunately, this does not happen more correctly. request
                        The program for resuming the construction of the An-124-100 went down the drain. And they were going to build only 100 pieces for Russia.
                        An-70 construction program (joint development 50 \ 50%).
                        The program for the construction of the Be-200 (and there were enough orders for them not only from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies, but also from foreign customers).
                        Mi-26 construction resumption program.
                        Assembled under license An-148.
                        Assembled under license An-140.
                        Due to the lack of engines, the production of Mi-8 \ 17, Mi-24 \ 35, Mi-28, Ka-52 helicopters has sharply decreased.
                        The Russian light-class Ansat and Ka-226 helicopters remained without engines and have not yet received them.
                        Due to the lack of replacement engines, most of the An-124 fleet is shackled to the ground.
                        There were also a number of programs that were supposed to be launched in the coming (at the time of 2014) years ... but did not grow together.
                        And all this could have been avoided.
                        And this is ONLY part of the problems of the aviation industry only.
                        And then there is shipbuilding.
                        Turbines for nuclear power plants and nuclear icebreakers ...
                        And many, many more.
                        The losses are already estimated at about a trillion dollars.
                        And what about the failure to create the EAEU?
                        And the collapse of the BRICS?
                        And the creation of the united forces of the CSTO, thwarted by the war in the Donbass?

                        You can list it for a long time, and that's all - ERROR PRICE.
                        Right now it is especially evident.
                        And right now the time has come (approached) to correct this mistake.
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 23 March 2021 01: 05
                        -1
                        Finish beam weapons, i.e. EMP and laser cannons
                        Hmm, the beam is not EMP at all and not even (beam) laser !? wink laughing
                        Beam weapons are a type of space weapon based on formation of a beam of particles accelerated to near-light speedsand using the kinetic energy stored in them to destroy enemy targets.
                        , and what is the speed of the photon (and the mass, surprisingly generally = 0), in a laser or in an EMP weapon !? laughing
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 15 March 2021 18: 16
                +8
                Quote: hrych
                If only Belarus was dragged or there is Egypt

                The Belarusian channel was chopped off in the bud by Batka when he took away the shares of the Orsha ARZ from Boguslaev. But there was such a great scheme ... but someone killed a chicken that did not even have time to lay the golden egg.
                Quote: hrych
                And here is "friendly to us" Estonia. NATO country for between times.

                Pfff ... at one time, when supplying the latest Toshiba machines to the USSR, the state arms company of Norway (NATO countries in between) acted as an intermediary for bypassing KOCOM.
                The famous quote from Dunning about interest rates and capitalist crimes continues to be valid. smile
                1. hrych
                  hrych 15 March 2021 19: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Norwegian company (NATO countries in between).

                  This is where the spine is buried laughing Norway is a country, but Estonia is a territory. There is no legal personality there, in the common people - the right to vote, as the Master says, so it will be. And the Master is in no way interested in our defenses laughing
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 16 March 2021 06: 11
                    +1
                    The company is a gasket, and therefore a gasket, that one-day is for one-time use. And then let the owner be furious - the operation is completed, the goods are delivered, the profit is received ... the company is closed. And next time there will be a Mongolian, Vietnamese or Dutch company.
                    On one of the photos they saw HOW MANY seals and stamps of such firms the SBU seized ... they also work.
                    Therefore, all these assets must be returned to their home harbor as soon as possible.
                    Together with the entire Russian Land.
                    As a separate federal district.
                    And all problems will disappear as if by magic.
                    Or how, with the permission of the rabbi, to take a goat out of Abram's house (anecdote about a goat).
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 17 March 2021 17: 50
                      0
                      I deny that our defense industry conducts tenders with this rubbish.
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 17 March 2021 20: 36
                        -1
                        Does not conduct tenders. There is something completely different ... but very necessary.
                        And so far we cannot do without it - for the Be-200, Mi-26 and An-124 we have nowhere else to take engines.
                        And those that promise to replace import will not be soon.

                        Ukraine, of course, is rubbish, but the plant there is a good Soviet one. At one time he was one of the three world leaders, together with Rolls-Royce and General Electric.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 17 March 2021 20: 43
                        -1
                        Quote: bayard
                        rubbish
                        I'm talking about one-day firms wassat
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 17 March 2021 21: 31
                        -1
                        Even in Soviet times, for the needs of the defense department (and industry in general), they did not hesitate to extract what was needed in specific ways. This is common but not public practice. And now it has become public because of the work of the SBU and their curators.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 15 March 2021 17: 45
          +6
          Quote: donavi49
          Well, until very recently, these engines went on board the Aerospace Forces through a gasket all of a sudden in Estonia. For its own release was not even enough for the state defense order. Now Ukrainian engines are also usually used for export boards.


          Recent time is over.
          .Russia does not need either Motor Sich or the Ukrainian aviation industry - they have resolved the issue of replacing our products. But Ukraine is the opposite: Motor Sich cannot do without many Russian components, it was caught many times in illegal purchases bypassing sanctions. Even Zaporozhye blades for helicopters are not yet suitable for flying, but only for conversations and pictures for TV - the blades must be tested and certified, and this is not a quick process. Manufacturers of Ukrainian aircraft have not resolved the issue of replacing Russian components. The interest of the Russian Federation in the Ukrainian aviation industry is the paranoid ideas of the representatives of the Ukrainian authorities, but rather, just a banal distortion and distortion of facts in order to avoid responsibility for their actions and somehow justify the expropriation of the plant, ”explained Vadim Karasev.

          https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210315/249330852.html
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 March 2021 18: 54
            +3
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Recent time is over.

            It's not over. Only TV3-117 are localized, they are also VK-2500.
            But the engines for the same Mi-26 and Be-200 are still mysteriously materializing at factories.
            1. bayard
              bayard 16 March 2021 06: 14
              +1
              Quote: Alexey RA
              But the engines for the same Mi-26 and Be-200 are still mysteriously materializing at factories.

              And even D-18 materializes. yes Those that are for "Ruslans".
            2. hydrox
              hydrox 16 March 2021 06: 29
              +1
              As soon as the "Donbass disassembly" is over and the owner for Motor Sich is determined, how in just six months they will set up the production of spare parts and determine a niche - no one will chop the chicken that lays the golden eggs, but who will become the owner ??
              Painfully delicious slice !!! Maybe the Be line will be stretched and refreshed.
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 15 March 2021 17: 42
        +3
        Quote: APASUS

        Supplier not important ...............

        With tz. technique is normal. With tz. decency - so-so, but as they shout at them, so they will do. They will also rush to run. Ukraine against Turkey is a pygmy.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 16 March 2021 16: 33
          0
          Ukraine against Turkey is a pygmy.
          sho, again, they called them pygmies - proud Cossacks! ??? winked And even more so with all sorts of Ottomans there, compared ... wink laughing
      3. Alexey Makarych
        Alexey Makarych 16 March 2021 01: 46
        +2
        I agree. Better to lose with a clever than to find with a fool. The Turks either do not know, or hope that U. will not throw them. Although ... The Turks themselves will throw whoever you want, but here it is not trade in different things, here is the production (especially of a helicopter (moreover, a combat one!) And an engine for it) - so the Turks have no chance ... IMHO
    2. dauria
      dauria 15 March 2021 17: 09
      +5
      Why? TV-3-117 are good engines.


      Excellent even by international standards. Moreover, if they keep the mass of 10 tons, the butterfly will flutter better than ours and the American. And if they balk in Ukraine, you can always contact our Klimovites. There is a complete analogue.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 17: 12
        -2
        It is more logical to establish licensed production at home.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 16 March 2021 06: 39
          +1
          No one will do this: Yuzhmash, Motor Sich, Kakhovskaya HPP, and mines in Yellow Waters - that's all we need from the Donbass operation - we don't need anything else in Skakuasia.
      2. hrych
        hrych 15 March 2021 17: 33
        -4
        Quote: dauria
        the butterfly will flutter better than ours and the American

        He will, like, hover like a butterfly and sting like a bee, and then he will get a ball and will barely walk shaking from parkinsonism.
        Quote: dauria
        if

        Keyword - If laughing
      3. Reviews
        Reviews 15 March 2021 17: 40
        0
        Quote: dauria
        if they hold a mass of 10 tons

        Why shouldn't they? Mi-8 / -17 weigh up to 13 tons.
        1. dauria
          dauria 15 March 2021 18: 49
          -1
          Why shouldn't they? Mi-8 / -17 weigh up to 13 tons

          That's why I doubt it. Weight culture in the eight and 24-ke is very high. And still jumped for the top ten. Unless the Turks donate armor. Ah, I got it ... wink You misunderstood the word "hold". Here it is in the sense of not exceeding.
      4. mark1
        mark1 15 March 2021 18: 00
        +2
        Quote: dauria
        There is a complete analogue.

        TV3-117 is the development of the Klimovsky Design Bureau, and these spank themselves without worrying about the right. It is not clear what prevented us from spanking the D-436 for the Be-200 and the Superjet in the same way, because we, too, sort of launched production at our place.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 March 2021 21: 48
      -1
      Quote: Avis
      Quote: Maz
      I sympathize with the Turkish pilots.

      Why? TV-3-117 are good engines.

      Who releases them? Isn't it the Motor that Sich? If Sich, then the Turks may have problems there))) Dill chitroopy! Have thrown the Chinese for 3,5 lard, and now they want to pull out the plant on a Turkish contract? Ukraine is marvelous to the point of disgrace, even more wonderful are those who got involved with Ukrainian business. request
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 16 March 2021 06: 44
        -1
        I don’t know what result the Donbass operation will be crowned with, I don’t think that before Motor Sich and Yuzh-Mash we will stop the militias ...
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 16 March 2021 16: 35
        -2
        Ukraine is marvelous to the point of disgrace, even more wonderful are those who got involved with Ukrainian business.
        neighbors are slurping, with the same wonders of Russian business, no less gloomy and inadequate ... laughing
  2. New Year day
    New Year day 15 March 2021 19: 30
    +9
    Quote: Maz
    I sympathize with Turkish ..

    And when ours flew on these engines, did they not sympathize?
    1. K150
      K150 16 March 2021 05: 08
      0
      Quote: Silvestr
      Quote: Maz
      I sympathize with Turkish ..

      And when ours flew on these engines, did they not sympathize?

      When ours flew - their production was not destroyed and the chains were not broken, iksperd you unfinished. It is not yet clear what they will stick there. The Croatian moments were so repaired that they did not take off.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 15 March 2021 16: 56
    +3
    Quote: NF68
    As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.

    Quite an option as a temporary measure.
    They will probably guess to buy with a margin, so as not to become again a toy in the hands of sanctioners.
    Pure uncomplicated pragmatism, taking advantage of opportunities to achieve their own benefits.
  • lucul
    lucul 15 March 2021 17: 03
    -1
    As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.

    And where to go - no one else will sell them.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 March 2021 16: 42
    +2
    Apache and Mi28 of different class
  • Cockroach Zee
    Cockroach Zee 15 March 2021 16: 42
    -3
    He will receive Ukrainian hemorrhoids, not engines.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 March 2021 18: 10
      +2
      Quote: Cockroach Zi
      He will receive Ukrainian hemorrhoids, not engines.

      "Sichu" still needs to solve the graters with the Chinese.
  • Kurare
    Kurare 15 March 2021 16: 43
    +1
    If the same weight category as the AN-64 and Mi-28, then this is most likely a variant with TV3-117 from Motor Sich. But will the Washington regional committee allow them to sell these engines after the sanctions for the S-400?
    1. dSK
      dSK 15 March 2021 17: 03
      0
      Quote: Kurare
      But whether the Washington regional committee will allow

      He will allow it if he gets his hands on Motor Sich ...
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 15 March 2021 17: 32
        +2
        Who will get their hands on it? Americans? Yes, they only need it to bankrupt!
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 16 March 2021 07: 12
          +1
          Donbass will be resolved from pregnancy by Russia, and it will be Putin who will decide to whom Motor Sich falls into the hands, and this will happen no later than autumn.
          But it is clear that he will not be able to fall into the hands of the Chinese in any way - the Russian jurisdiction will not allow, and from whom the Chinese will receive their 3 lard - apparently, from Little Russia, i.e. from the Kiev autonomy.
          1. Kurare
            Kurare 16 March 2021 11: 38
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            Donbass will be resolved from pregnancy by Russia, and it will be Putin who will decide to whom Motor Sich falls into the hands, and this will happen no later than autumn.

            A fat plus for your optimism. good But, I do not share it. I would love to, but the probability is very small.

            In addition, projects have been launched in Russia to replace Motor Sich products. They have not yet been implemented, but the main replacement of engines, i.e. TV3-117 has already been done.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 16 March 2021 16: 23
              +1
              1. In fact, we are not interested in its products, but in technology.
              2. Please note that Melitopol is Novorossia - the future Southwest Fed. Okrug, and Motor Sich in the form of a Russian state concern will not hurt us in any way.
              3. Russia itself produces an absolutely insignificant number of engines, even if turbines, even pistons, all the more does not follow, like the Chinese (they have several series of piston engines from 0,5 hp to 60 hp), in order to produce them in lines - for example, for drones, for small boats, emergency pumps, el. stations, etc.
              4. And LDNR to support the pants will not hurt at first.
              1. Kurare
                Kurare 16 March 2021 17: 25
                +1
                Quote: hydrox
                Please note that Melitopol is Novorossia - the future Southwest Fed. County

                Your words, yes Gd in the ear! And then let's raise our glasses drinks
                About piston engines - I do not agree with you. There is nothing to catch on Motor Sich in this direction, it is not their competence. In Russia, there are enough competencies in this regard, there is not enough money for fine-tuning and, most importantly, the production base.

                Technologies are also known in principle. After all, the plant in Zaporozhye since Soviet times is the production base of the Kuznetsov Design Bureau. Yes, on the MS they were able to modernize the Soviet backlog, but they did not come up with anything new. Of course, such a production base in Russia, for some time, would not be superfluous. But, these are still past technologies.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 16 March 2021 19: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Kurare
                  But, these are still past technologies.

                  For Russia, everything is now in line: the capacity of the living is catastrophically short, and buying equipment is a dead thing, any kid looks sullenly ...
                  Only the tadpoles have to remember where they saw what and transfer it to metal ...
                  1. Kurare
                    Kurare 17 March 2021 13: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: hydrox
                    and buying nonya equipment is a dead thing

                    The problem is that the equipment for such production is not something that no one will sell to you, it will not even show you. This is technology and know-how.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 17 March 2021 19: 51
                      +1
                      A simple example: Five years ago, our aviation industry did not own the gluing of flat parts - they got the technology somewhere and everything went well. Then the supply of synthetics and chemical materials stopped - everything stopped ... for a while. A year has passed - and VASO continues to glue the planes: somewhere they found something, somewhere they replaced something !!! laughing laughing
                      After all, we can, when it is VERY necessary ...
                      1. Kurare
                        Kurare 18 March 2021 10: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: hydrox
                        After all, we can, when it is VERY necessary ...

                        There are enough proverbs on this topic in Russian.
                        "Magic pendel", that's what you need! hi
                      2. hydrox
                        hydrox 18 March 2021 15: 09
                        +1
                        I strongly suspect that our Aviaprom is obsessed with friends like flies and it is clear that this is no longer the State Concern in the management.
                      3. Kurare
                        Kurare 18 March 2021 15: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: hydrox
                        Our aviation industry is obsessed with friends like flies

                        Regrettably, I have to agree ...
  • Intruder
    Intruder 16 March 2021 16: 38
    -1
    He will allow it if he gets his hands on Motor Sich ...
    But he can still clean up in the easy ..., he has everything for this (the overseas regional executive committee) has: both political methods and grandmothers ... winked
  • Your stranger
    Your stranger 15 March 2021 17: 28
    +4
    And did you allow Ukraine to buy bayraktars in Turkey?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 17 March 2021 19: 53
      0
      Definitely allowed!
      Otherwise, what will Russia use to test microwave guns? The testing range is expensive (to buy at your own expense), but then they will offer them for free! laughing
  • spirit
    spirit 15 March 2021 16: 49
    +2
    It's very similar to Mongoose)
    1. Emil Azeri
      Emil Azeri 15 March 2021 16: 58
      +2
      Quote: spirit
      It's very similar to Mongoose)

      This is not Atak 2, this is Atak FAZ 2 (Phase 2 is just an improved version of the first Attack.)
      Atak 2 is a completely different helicopter.
      1. lucul
        lucul 15 March 2021 17: 06
        -3
        This is not Atak 2, this is Atak FAZ 2 (Phase 2 is just an improved version of the first Attack.)
        Atak 2 is a completely different helicopter.

        Do you see how Turkey, under Erdogan, went to develop militarily?
        But Erdogan, only, did not agree to be a colony of the West, and chose an independent path.
        1. hrych
          hrych 15 March 2021 17: 47
          0
          Only the British-Italian AgustaWestland developed the Atak. And what about the engines for the Altay tank? The Austrians had to make the engines to teach, something didn’t come together, and the Germans would have to buy and install. They will receive their tanks when Constantinople has already fallen. Therefore, there are giants of arms, and there are Indians, Turks, etc., who would not have this money for their underdevelopment, which by the time of release will already become obsolete, but it is better to buy German Leopards and so on with a surplus, but not suffer.
          1. Thorvlobnor IV
            Thorvlobnor IV 16 March 2021 01: 07
            -2
            Where does this arrogant disregard for other people's developments come from? Forgot how you copied and pasted engines for planes, tanks, trucks and cars?
            1. hrych
              hrych 17 March 2021 17: 51
              0
              As we want, so we behave. Household engines are not an indicator.
  • bar
    bar 15 March 2021 16: 52
    -1
    According to the general director, the new Turkish combat helicopter will receive Ukrainian-made engines. At the same time, Kotil did not give other details regarding the power plants, limiting himself only to this statement.

    Have the Sumerians thrown the Turks yet? Good luck to them in their hard work laughing
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 15 March 2021 16: 55
      +6
      The Turks, unlike the Chinese, can swim and slap in the muzzles.
      1. bar
        bar 15 March 2021 16: 56
        -2
        They won't do anything with this striped mongrel. The owner won't let you.
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 15 March 2021 17: 00
          +1
          Erdogan showed the zaluzhniks that they are not his masters. So that...
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 15 March 2021 17: 11
            0
            Quote: zwlad
            Erdogan showed the zaluzhniks that they are not his masters. So that...

            Erdogan, maybe not. But the suppliers are very owners.
            In general, I wonder how events will develop. China will demand 100% of its money back. And the money is gone. And you can't give Motor Sich back. How will the "guys" get out? what
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          3. K150
            K150 16 March 2021 05: 12
            +1
            Quote: zwlad
            Erdogan showed the zaluzhniks that they are not his masters. So that...

            A naive Nanai boy, the British incite Erdogash, just as they fed the Turks against us for many centuries before, but now they are shaved under the Amers, it is he who can only bend his fingers to his son and wife, and from these he feeds and receives technology.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 15 March 2021 17: 28
          +7
          Well, the Turks can:
          1) Failure to supply corvettes.
          2) Refuse to service the Bayraktars.
          3) Harshly throw Ukrainian manufacturers (Aselsan actually provided a well-fed life for many defense enterprises, using them in cooperation for their finished products. However, they can reassemble the cooperation).
          4) Stop supplying TPV, walkie-talkies, automated control systems and army communications.

          Well, etc.
  • seti
    seti 15 March 2021 16: 53
    +2
    And for the engines themselves, not a word in the article. From the word at all.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 15 March 2021 16: 58
      0
      Quote: seti
      And for the engines themselves, not a word in the article. From the word at all.

      Why words? What other options besides TV-3-117?
      1. seti
        seti 16 March 2021 08: 25
        +2
        Then you need to write correctly - the Soviet engines are Ukrainian production. TV-3-117 of different modifications are available if you did not know.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 16 March 2021 20: 05
          -1
          Quote: seti
          if you didn't know.

          Do not judge by yourself.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 15 March 2021 16: 55
    +8
    will receive Ukrainian engines
    As if not ukran, but Soviet. Things need to be called by their proper names. There is nothing ukransky and will not wash. For 30 years of independence, they have not come up with anything of their own, national. Except, perhaps, Bandera, and it is already a hundred years old at lunchtime.
  • NF68
    NF68 15 March 2021 16: 59
    +2
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: NF68
    As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.

    Quite an option as a temporary measure.
    They will probably guess to buy with a margin, so as not to become again a toy in the hands of sanctioners.
    Pure uncomplicated pragmatism, taking advantage of opportunities to achieve their own benefits.


    The situation with Motor Sich clearly showed that modern Ukraine as a business partner is very unreliable.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 15 March 2021 16: 59
    +4
    By dealing with Ukraine, the Turks significantly undermine their defenses.
    However, they still have a chance, when problems arise, they can turn to Russia, we have almost the same engines, only more modern and advanced.
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 March 2021 17: 08
      +2
      Maybe they are thus lulling the vigilance of the United States ... lol
  • COJIDAT
    COJIDAT 15 March 2021 17: 00
    +1
    Taking into account the current realities of Ukraine - "will receive" sounds metaphorical. Namely: when, how much and what quality)
  • cniza
    cniza 15 March 2021 17: 07
    +2
    According to the general director, the new Turkish combat helicopter will receive Ukrainian-made engines. At the same time, Kotil did not give other details regarding the power plants, limiting himself only to this statement.


    Something the Turks are wise, they know the state of affairs very well ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 16 March 2021 07: 56
      0
      Most likely, the Turks put their eyes on Motor Sich
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 16 March 2021 16: 45
      -1
      Something the Turks are wise, they know the state of affairs very well ...
      They know something, therefore the Ottomans cunningly wait for a convenient situation for themselves and from the financial and political sides!
  • Emil Azeri
    Emil Azeri 15 March 2021 17: 07
    0
    And of course with modern percussion equipment of our own production on board


  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 15 March 2021 17: 27
    +2
    Where will the engines be produced? Motor Sich is still suspended, and it is not a fact that it is capable of producing anything now
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  • Your stranger
    Your stranger 15 March 2021 17: 31
    +3
    Motor Sich has already mastered the production of gearboxes and blades, and there is also Konotop,
    So I don't exclude the production of those helicopters in Turkey and Ukraine.
    1. not main
      not main 15 March 2021 23: 17
      +2
      Quote: Stranger
      Motor Sich has already mastered the production of gearboxes and blades, and there is also Konotop,
      So I don't exclude the production of those helicopters in Turkey and Ukraine.

      Somehow, I doubt very much, at the expense of gearboxes and blades on the "motor sich"! And Konotop is just an ARZ that updates (cleans, paints the fuselage), but they had nothing to do with engines or gearboxes! This they received from subcontractors in a finished form! I know not by hearsay. I brought the Mi-24 there and more than once and took it more than once.
      1. Your stranger
        Your stranger 15 March 2021 23: 26
        0
        On July 3, 2019, on the territory of the Flight Test Complex of MOTOR SICH JSC, the next stage of factory tests of an experimental prototype of a civilian helicopter MSB-8 took place. The takeoff weight was 14 kg, which is 000 kg higher than that of the Mi-1 helicopters (000). Ambient temperature: + 8 ° С. After the control hover, the helicopter reached an altitude of 17 m.
        Recall that the MSB-8 is a new type of helicopter created as a result of a phased, evolutionary development based on the fuselage design of the Mi-8MSB helicopter. At the same time, in comparison with the base model, not only the design changes, but also the flight performance characteristics. MSB-8 is a helicopter for civilian use using modern technologies and avionics.



        The main advantages of the helicopter are:
        The newest engines of the TV3-117VMA-SBM1V family developed by MOTOR SICH JSC with increased power with FADEC;
        Main and tail rotor blades made of composite materials;
        VR-17MS main gearbox;
        Tail transmission XT-17MS with plate couplings;
        Complex of modern electrical equipment and avionics

        Motor Sich "began flight tests of blades for helicopters


        15:45, 24.12.20202 XNUMX min read

        On Thursday, Motor Sich PJSC began flight tests of composite blades for Mi-8 helicopters and metal blades for Mi-24 of Ukrainian production at its flight test complex.
        1. not main
          not main 15 March 2021 23: 40
          -1
          Quote: Stranger
          Friend (Ivan) Today, 23:26

          I did not bring this nonsense from Svidomo. Just a question and where is IT?
    2. K150
      K150 16 March 2021 05: 15
      +1
      Again dill's nonsense. Ale, uncle, the Ukrainians cannot use the blades and still do not get normal ones. He laughed about the gearboxes, well, some peremogs at Sich, though the production is in ruins.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 March 2021 17: 46
    -1
    With these banderlog, the Turks can fly like plywood over Paris. Let them ask the Chinese.
    After all, they can easily be ordered by the striped ones to use the Turks' engines as punishment for buying the S-400 from us.
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 15 March 2021 17: 47
    +2
    excellent engines, did not keep Ukraine now bite your elbows.
    1. Alexey CHL
      Alexey CHL 15 March 2021 18: 33
      +1
      Who should bite their elbows? It seems like Motor Sich has lost a sales market for 80% of its products.
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 15 March 2021 21: 27
        -4
        who has lost it so Russia has lost the entire range of products of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and this is not a little, and most of these are unique products and it takes years and billions of budget funds to create such a thing and it is not a fact that it will work out. And fairy tales, fairy tales about import substitution, remain fairy tales to this day.
        1. suhorukofal
          suhorukofal 15 March 2021 22: 21
          +1
          I like the logic of the Ukrainians, our own industry is on its last legs, the main sales market has been lost, but Russia must bite its elbows, well, it was she who suffered losses, and Ukraine began to flourish. Although the source of gloating and joy is understandable, everything is as usual - "to hell with him, that his house burned down, the main thing is that the neighbor's cow is dead."
          1. Adimius38
            Adimius38 16 March 2021 06: 54
            -1
            and who can argue with that? Yes, the main sales market, Russia, has been lost. And there is no need to ascribe what I did not write. The loss of Ukraine hit everyone, including Russia, very tangibly. Ukraine is not flourishing, but Russia is biting its elbows. This is to be objective.
            1. suhorukofal
              suhorukofal 16 March 2021 08: 05
              -1
              Your messages just imply joy and accusations about this - "they did not hold back, Russia is biting its elbows." It is clear what hit everyone, but your words point to the guilt of Russia, and not to the very culprit of this "celebration", the most affected party, which itself buried its industry. Let me remind you that it was Ukraine that refused orders from Russia. This is the aforementioned schadenfreude of the fire victim. In principle, we can say with the same success that China did not hold back Motor Sich and let it bite its elbows. Another shot in the leg, and in the case of China, this is no longer a leg, but a place next to the legs. I repeat, I like this wonderful logic of some Ukrainians - to do nasty things, suffer yourself, and then say "bite your elbows."
            2. Slon1978
              Slon1978 17 March 2021 03: 22
              0
              In fact, I do not see what Russia has lost from the refusal of Motor-SICH products, except for time. Can you tell me? We have saved the money that we had previously paid to the Ukrainian company. Money is a universal resource that can be spent always and quickly - now this money is paid to JSC Klimov for the production of the same VK-2500 - an improved version of TV3-117. And you are left with engines that now have nowhere to sell, except for the Turks, who will buy them in 2024. May be. Russia is biting its elbows :)) I would understand if, due to the non-delivery of Ukrainian engines, our helicopter fleet would be chained to the ground, and at that time an adversary attacked us. Well, this did not happen, we were lucky, we endured it, now we are increasing the production of engines in Russia.
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    3. Intruder
      Intruder 16 March 2021 16: 47
      -4
      did not hold Ukraine now bite your elbows
      as well as the Baltics and Belarus !? winked
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 15 March 2021 17: 52
    -2
    And those who do not sell penguins or engines to the Turks now will threaten Ukraine with a finger, and the Turks will have nothing, no advances issued for the engines, or the engines themselves ... "Plot?" ©
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 15 March 2021 19: 03
      0
      They won't even be a finger. They will just say - nizz and fffsssee))) the Turks will put a bicycle drive)))
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 16 March 2021 16: 49
        -1
        the Turks will put a bicycle drive)))
        rush to the Chinese, or to the beloved Pakistanis, there, too, you can poke at the bottom of the barrel, or buy through them already, exactly what you need in Austria, or Canada ...! wink
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 16 March 2021 18: 52
          0
          The Chinese are unlikely. The CCP really does not like the fact that Uighurs are fighting in the pro-Turkish gangs in Syria. Yes, and Erdogan climbs into Central Asia, and the Chinese have already reserved it for themselves)))
  • AVA77
    AVA77 15 March 2021 17: 53
    +1
    In the plans of the Turks. Turkey + Ukraine = ATTACK 2
    In the plans of Ukraine. Ukraine + Turkey = peremoga and lace panties.
    In reality, the United States saw in a coffin, Motor Sich, Turkish ATAK 2 and in general all competitors in the arms market. That's all the mathematics. winked
  • Eug
    Eug 15 March 2021 18: 54
    0
    This is only if Russia supplies Motor Sich with parts and components for engines under a "Turkish" contract. There can be a good barter for the necessary parts to
  • Eug
    Eug 15 March 2021 18: 57
    0
    This is if Russia agrees to supply components for the engines under the "Turkish" contract. It can be a very good barter for the parts needed by Russia for the D-18 engines.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 March 2021 19: 00
    -3
    Ha - ha, three times))) these Turks are naive "to tears" guys. They will receive the engines no sooner than Erdogan crawls on his knees to the Washington Reich Chancellery and will apologize for a long time))) and that is not a fact.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 15 March 2021 19: 17
    -2
    Cooperation in action
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 15 March 2021 20: 00
    +2
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    It is more logical to establish licensed production at home.

    Ukrainians are also not fools, they will not give it up. The market is huge, they have no less on service than on sales.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 20: 09
      +2
      It depends on what offer will be made, or rather to whom what bribe will be given. Since Soviet times, motor sichs have excellent engines, they have kept production, and some kind of scientific basis too. A tasty morsel for Turkey. But they are harmful to the United States and Europe, an extra competitor, this is the key problem.
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth 15 March 2021 20: 43
        +2
        They, the engines, remained not only from Soviet times, but were constantly modernized, and not without the help of our design bureau.
        Their engines fly the entire line of Mi and Ka helicopters, UBS Yak-130, Chinese L-15, etc.
        Hohlopitheki Turks will not be given a license even for a bribe, maximum assembly.
  • FrankyStein
    FrankyStein 15 March 2021 20: 15
    +1
    The statesmen blocked their engines with them, it would be logical to block these too, otherwise their efforts are in vain.
  • Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 15 March 2021 21: 20
    -2
    In vain they do it .... "Cossacks" with a motor-sichi are so wired to them that these heavy ones will either fall or stand on the ground and wait for years for "bolts and nuts", like the Chinese!
  • garik77
    garik77 15 March 2021 22: 23
    0
    The Turks will get nothing. The Americans will not allow, they do not need a competitor, they need to sell their engines. With Motor Sich everything will be as usual. If they don't ditch it themselves, then foreign "investors" will help. They will buy it for a penny under the promises of mountains of gold, and then saw it for scrap.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 March 2021 07: 08
    -2
    Turkish heavy-class attack helicopter (Ağır Sınıf Taarruz Helikopter - ATTACK 2) will receive Ukrainian engines.
    For a hard landing rotorcraft (see plane crash) are suitable. laughing Turks, take more. wassat
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 March 2021 07: 44
    -2
    This is a dangerous business, to get involved with "jumpers" ... or they will be deceived, or they will have ...
  • Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin April 4 2021 11: 31
    0
    He won't get anything
  • Protos
    Protos April 23 2021 16: 29
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    Well, until very recently, these engines went on board the Aerospace Forces through a gasket all of a sudden in Estonia. For its own release was not even enough for the state defense order. Now Ukrainian engines are also usually used for export boards.

    In 2014, Klimov assembled the first 10 engines entirely from Russian components. In 2015 - 30 In 2016 - 60 units In 2017 - 100 units In 2019 - 230 In 2020 420 units.
    Ukrainian engines have not been bought since 2016. neither through gasket nor for export wink
  • alekswolf63
    alekswolf63 27 May 2021 14: 50
    0
    Until the Turks start making their engines, the helicopter is not Turkish. The Italians drew them a helicopter, a cheap engine from Ukraine, and a Turkish helicopter.