New Turkish ATAK 2 heavy attack helicopter will receive Ukrainian engines

The Turkish heavy-class combat helicopter (Ağır Sınıf Taarruz Helikopter - ATAK 2) will receive Ukrainian engines. This was stated by the general director of the aircraft manufacturer TUSAŞ Tenil Kotil, according to the Turkish portal savunmasanayist.com.

According to the general director, the new Turkish combat helicopter will receive Ukrainian-made engines. At the same time, Kotil did not give other details regarding the power plants, limiting himself only to this statement.

Attack helicopter of the heavy class ATAK 2 is being created by the Turkish aircraft building association Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) in the interests of the Turkish armed forces. The contract for its development was officially signed by the Turkish Ministry of Defense in 2019.

According to available data, the new helicopter will be of the same class as the American AN-64 Apache and the Russian Mi-28NM Night Hunter. The declared take-off weight should be 10 tons and the payload mass "over 1200 kg". The helicopter should be equipped with a 30-mm cannon, missile armament from the latest T129 versions and modern avionics. The widest possible use of Turkish-made systems and equipment is declared.

The helicopter is being developed taking into account the combat experience gained in Syria. Among the advantages of the vehicle, the Turks note the better protection of the pilot, improved booking, more modern electronics, reduced visibility of the vehicle and a wide variety of outboard weapons. In the future, it should replace the lighter T129 ATAK combat helicopter. The first flight of the heavy helicopter is scheduled for 2024-2025.

Comments

[NF68]

As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.

[Maz]

I sympathize with the Turkish pilots.

[Reviews]

Quote: Maz

I sympathize with the Turkish pilots.

Why? TV-3-117 are good engines.

[APASUS]

Quote: Avis

TV-3-117 are good engines.

Supplier not important ...............

[donavi49]

Well, until very recently, these engines went on board the Aerospace Forces through a gasket all of a sudden in Estonia. For its own release was not even enough for the state defense order. Now Ukrainian engines are also usually used for export boards.

[hrych]

Quote: donavi49

went to the sides of the VKS through the gasket suddenly in Estonia

I don't consider such insights to be true. If only Belarus was dragged in or there Egypt And then "friendly to us" Estonia. NATO country for between times. Maybe you smuggled sprat Really from the bearded "officer's daughter" infa?

[donavi49]

Well, this is how the SBU opened it. Since 2018, more than 600 cargoes have gone to Bosnia -> Estonia -> Russia .

[hrych]

And I need these pictures What have you proved? Where is Shoigu or Gerasimov buying counterfeit goods from hucksters? Where are the engines from Motor Sich in the boxes? Bloggers got it with their "sensations" invented in the kitchen, or rather in the closet

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

Where are the engines from Motor Sich in the boxes?

In the same place where there are three sets of D-18 engines for Ruslans (12 pcs.), Three sets of engines for the Be-200 (6 pcs.) And three sets for heavy Mi-26 helicopters (6 pcs.) And this is only for last spring.
Haven't you heard?
But the scandal was loud - there, in Ukraine.
I'm not even talking about engines for the Mi-8, Mi-24 \ 35, Mi-28 and Ka-52 - since 2015, through the gaskets in a continuous flow, despite the obstacles. Because the first batch of such engines in Russia was assembled only in 2015 (production was being prepared for several years) in a quantity of no more than 50 pieces. (for no more than 25 helicopters), and production grew at a pace that was by no means Stakhanov's ... and the quality was also not very good (new production, after all, is a technical process).
So speaking about the unreliability of a partner, we must first of all talk about the Bandera state. But the Zaporozhye Aviation Plant itself, back in the 90s, was one of the three world giants of aircraft engine building, along with Rolls-Royce and General Electric. It is necessary to be more respectful to such an enterprise - the Chinese are not fighting for it for nothing.
And the Turkish helicopter builders can only be envied - they will get (if they get it) very high quality, time-tested and operational in dozens of countries and dozens (if not hundreds) of military conflicts - from the Arctic to Africa.

Quote: hrych

Where are the engines from Motor Sich in the boxes?

The boxes contain spare parts and accessories. And it's very good that the engines themselves have reached the addressee.
Before the collapse, it was the best aircraft engine plant in the Soviet Union, the most modern and equipped, capable of producing the widest range of aircraft engines. And unlike many other similar enterprises, for 30 years he has not lost his competencies and all these years has supplied engines for most aircraft and helicopters (all) built in Russia and the former Ukraine.
And the refusal to return natural Russian lands in 2014 is not just a crime, it is a mistake. And the staked Russian aircraft building programs are witnesses to this.

[hrych]

Quote: bayard

And the stakes of the Russian aircraft building programs are witnesses to this.

A bold statement, but no longer true.

Quote: bayard

And the refusal to return natural Russian lands in 2014 is not just a crime, it is a mistake.

You need to have intelligence data, you need to anticipate a response, it was necessary to complete the rearmament and go to hypersound. And also to bring intercontinental cruise missiles and especially super torpedoes to the testing stage. Finish beam weapons, i.e. EMP and laser cannons. When Poseidon comes on duty, the EU, and possibly the US, will collapse. For they are holding on to military superiority, which is disappearing before our eyes. And there, take what you want ...

[bayard]

Quote: hrych

A bold statement, but no longer true.

Unfortunately, this does not happen more correctly.
The program for resuming the construction of the An-124-100 went down the drain. And they were going to build only 100 pieces for Russia.
An-70 construction program (joint development 50 \ 50%).
The program for the construction of the Be-200 (and there were enough orders for them not only from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies, but also from foreign customers).
Mi-26 construction resumption program.
Assembled under license An-148.
Assembled under license An-140.
Due to the lack of engines, the production of Mi-8 \ 17, Mi-24 \ 35, Mi-28, Ka-52 helicopters has sharply decreased.
The Russian light-class Ansat and Ka-226 helicopters remained without engines and have not yet received them.
Due to the lack of replacement engines, most of the An-124 fleet is shackled to the ground.
There were also a number of programs that were supposed to be launched in the coming (at the time of 2014) years ... but did not grow together.
And all this could have been avoided.
And this is ONLY part of the problems of the aviation industry only.
And then there is shipbuilding.
Turbines for nuclear power plants and nuclear icebreakers ...
And many, many more.
The losses are already estimated at about a trillion dollars.
And what about the failure to create the EAEU?
And the collapse of the BRICS?
And the creation of the united forces of the CSTO, thwarted by the war in the Donbass?

You can list it for a long time, and that's all - ERROR PRICE.
Right now it is especially evident.
And right now the time has come (approached) to correct this mistake.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: hrych

If only Belarus was dragged or there is Egypt

The Belarusian channel was chopped off in the bud by Batka when he took away the shares of the Orsha ARZ from Boguslaev. But there was such a great scheme ... but someone killed a chicken that did not even have time to lay the golden egg.

Quote: hrych

And here is "friendly to us" Estonia. NATO country for between times.

Pfff ... at one time, when supplying the latest Toshiba machines to the USSR, the state arms company of Norway (NATO countries in between) acted as an intermediary for bypassing KOCOM.
The famous quote from Dunning about interest rates and capitalist crimes continues to be valid.

[hrych]

Quote: Alexey RA

Norwegian company (NATO countries in between).

This is where the spine is buried Norway is a country, but Estonia is a territory. There is no legal personality there, in the common people - the right to vote, as the Master says, so it will be. And the Master is in no way interested in our defenses

[bayard]

The company is a gasket, and therefore a gasket, that one-day is for one-time use. And then let the owner be furious - the operation is completed, the goods are delivered, the profit is received ... the company is closed. And next time there will be a Mongolian, Vietnamese or Dutch company.
On one of the photos they saw HOW MANY seals and stamps of such firms the SBU seized ... they also work.
Therefore, all these assets must be returned to their home harbor as soon as possible.
Together with the entire Russian Land.
As a separate federal district.
And all problems will disappear as if by magic.
Or how, with the permission of the rabbi, to take a goat out of Abram's house (anecdote about a goat).

[hrych]

I deny that our defense industry conducts tenders with this rubbish.

[bayard]

Does not conduct tenders. There is something completely different ... but very necessary.
And so far we cannot do without it - for the Be-200, Mi-26 and An-124 we have nowhere else to take engines.
And those that promise to replace import will not be soon.

Ukraine, of course, is rubbish, but the plant there is a good Soviet one. At one time he was one of the three world leaders, together with Rolls-Royce and General Electric.

[hrych]

Quote: bayard

rubbish

I'm talking about one-day firms

[bayard]

Even in Soviet times, for the needs of the defense department (and industry in general), they did not hesitate to extract what was needed in specific ways. This is common but not public practice. And now it has become public because of the work of the SBU and their curators.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: donavi49

Well, until very recently, these engines went on board the Aerospace Forces through a gasket all of a sudden in Estonia. For its own release was not even enough for the state defense order. Now Ukrainian engines are also usually used for export boards.

Recent time is over.

.Russia does not need either Motor Sich or the Ukrainian aviation industry - they have resolved the issue of replacing our products. But Ukraine is the opposite: Motor Sich cannot do without many Russian components, it was caught many times in illegal purchases bypassing sanctions. Even Zaporozhye blades for helicopters are not yet suitable for flying, but only for conversations and pictures for TV - the blades must be tested and certified, and this is not a quick process. Manufacturers of Ukrainian aircraft have not resolved the issue of replacing Russian components. The interest of the Russian Federation in the Ukrainian aviation industry is the paranoid ideas of the representatives of the Ukrainian authorities, but rather, just a banal distortion and distortion of facts in order to avoid responsibility for their actions and somehow justify the expropriation of the plant, ”explained Vadim Karasev.

https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210315/249330852.html

[Alexey RA]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Recent time is over.

It's not over. Only TV3-117 are localized, they are also VK-2500.
But the engines for the same Mi-26 and Be-200 are still mysteriously materializing at factories.

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

But the engines for the same Mi-26 and Be-200 are still mysteriously materializing at factories.

And even D-18 materializes. Those that are for "Ruslans".

[hydrox]

As soon as the "Donbass disassembly" is over and the owner for Motor Sich is determined, how in just six months they will set up the production of spare parts and determine a niche - no one will chop the chicken that lays the golden eggs, but who will become the owner ??
Painfully delicious slice !!! Maybe the Be line will be stretched and refreshed.

[Reviews]

Quote: APASUS

Supplier not important ...............

With tz. technique is normal. With tz. decency - so-so, but as they shout at them, so they will do. They will also rush to run. Ukraine against Turkey is a pygmy.

[Alexey Makarych]

I agree. Better to lose with a clever than to find with a fool. The Turks either do not know, or hope that U. will not throw them. Although ... The Turks themselves will throw whoever you want, but here it is not trade in different things, here is the production (especially of a helicopter (moreover, a combat one!) And an engine for it) - so the Turks have no chance ... IMHO

[dauria]

Why? TV-3-117 are good engines.

Excellent even by international standards. Moreover, if they keep the mass of 10 tons, the butterfly will flutter better than ours and the American. And if they balk in Ukraine, you can always contact our Klimovites. There is a complete analogue.

[OgnennyiKotik]

It is more logical to establish licensed production at home.

[hydrox]

No one will do this: Yuzhmash, Motor Sich, Kakhovskaya HPP, and mines in Yellow Waters - that's all we need from the Donbass operation - we don't need anything else in Skakuasia.

[hrych]

Quote: dauria

the butterfly will flutter better than ours and the American

He will, like, hover like a butterfly and sting like a bee, and then he will get a ball and will barely walk shaking from parkinsonism.

Quote: dauria

if

Keyword - If

[Reviews]

Quote: dauria

if they hold a mass of 10 tons

Why shouldn't they? Mi-8 / -17 weigh up to 13 tons.

[dauria]

Why shouldn't they? Mi-8 / -17 weigh up to 13 tons

That's why I doubt it. Weight culture in the eight and 24-ke is very high. And still jumped for the top ten. Unless the Turks donate armor. Ah, I got it ... You misunderstood the word "hold". Here it is in the sense of not exceeding.

[mark1]

Quote: dauria

There is a complete analogue.

TV3-117 is the development of the Klimovsky Design Bureau, and these spank themselves without worrying about the right. It is not clear what prevented us from spanking the D-436 for the Be-200 and the Superjet in the same way, because we, too, sort of launched production at our place.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Avis

Quote: Maz

I sympathize with the Turkish pilots.

Why? TV-3-117 are good engines.

Who releases them? Isn't it the Motor that Sich? If Sich, then the Turks may have problems there))) Dill chitroopy! Have thrown the Chinese for 3,5 lard, and now they want to pull out the plant on a Turkish contract? Ukraine is marvelous to the point of disgrace, even more wonderful are those who got involved with Ukrainian business.

[hydrox]

I don’t know what result the Donbass operation will be crowned with, I don’t think that before Motor Sich and Yuzh-Mash we will stop the militias ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Maz

I sympathize with Turkish ..

And when ours flew on these engines, did they not sympathize?

[K150]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Maz

I sympathize with Turkish ..

And when ours flew on these engines, did they not sympathize?

When ours flew - their production was not destroyed and the chains were not broken, iksperd you unfinished. It is not yet clear what they will stick there. The Croatian moments were so repaired that they did not take off.

[Flooding]

Quote: NF68

As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.

Quite an option as a temporary measure.
They will probably guess to buy with a margin, so as not to become again a toy in the hands of sanctioners.
Pure uncomplicated pragmatism, taking advantage of opportunities to achieve their own benefits.

[lucul]

As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.

And where to go - no one else will sell them.

[Zaurbek]

Apache and Mi28 of different class

[Cockroach Zee]

He will receive Ukrainian hemorrhoids, not engines.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Cockroach Zi

He will receive Ukrainian hemorrhoids, not engines.

"Sichu" still needs to solve the graters with the Chinese.

[Kurare]

If the same weight category as the AN-64 and Mi-28, then this is most likely a variant with TV3-117 from Motor Sich. But will the Washington regional committee allow them to sell these engines after the sanctions for the S-400?

[dSK]

Quote: Kurare

But whether the Washington regional committee will allow

He will allow it if he gets his hands on Motor Sich ...

[Kurare]

Who will get their hands on it? Americans? Yes, they only need it to bankrupt!

[hydrox]

Donbass will be resolved from pregnancy by Russia, and it will be Putin who will decide to whom Motor Sich falls into the hands, and this will happen no later than autumn.
But it is clear that he will not be able to fall into the hands of the Chinese in any way - the Russian jurisdiction will not allow, and from whom the Chinese will receive their 3 lard - apparently, from Little Russia, i.e. from the Kiev autonomy.

[Kurare]

Quote: hydrox

Donbass will be resolved from pregnancy by Russia, and it will be Putin who will decide to whom Motor Sich falls into the hands, and this will happen no later than autumn.

A fat plus for your optimism. But, I do not share it. I would love to, but the probability is very small.

In addition, projects have been launched in Russia to replace Motor Sich products. They have not yet been implemented, but the main replacement of engines, i.e. TV3-117 has already been done.

[hydrox]

1. In fact, we are not interested in its products, but in technology.
2. Please note that Melitopol is Novorossia - the future Southwest Fed. Okrug, and Motor Sich in the form of a Russian state concern will not hurt us in any way.
3. Russia itself produces an absolutely insignificant number of engines, even if turbines, even pistons, all the more does not follow, like the Chinese (they have several series of piston engines from 0,5 hp to 60 hp), in order to produce them in lines - for example, for drones, for small boats, emergency pumps, el. stations, etc.
4. And LDNR to support the pants will not hurt at first.

[Kurare]

Quote: hydrox

Please note that Melitopol is Novorossia - the future Southwest Fed. County

Your words, yes Gd in the ear! And then let's raise our glasses
About piston engines - I do not agree with you. There is nothing to catch on Motor Sich in this direction, it is not their competence. In Russia, there are enough competencies in this regard, there is not enough money for fine-tuning and, most importantly, the production base.

Technologies are also known in principle. After all, the plant in Zaporozhye since Soviet times is the production base of the Kuznetsov Design Bureau. Yes, on the MS they were able to modernize the Soviet backlog, but they did not come up with anything new. Of course, such a production base in Russia, for some time, would not be superfluous. But, these are still past technologies.

[hydrox]

Quote: Kurare

But, these are still past technologies.

For Russia, everything is now in line: the capacity of the living is catastrophically short, and buying equipment is a dead thing, any kid looks sullenly ...
Only the tadpoles have to remember where they saw what and transfer it to metal ...

[Kurare]

Quote: hydrox

and buying nonya equipment is a dead thing

The problem is that the equipment for such production is not something that no one will sell to you, it will not even show you. This is technology and know-how.

[hydrox]

A simple example: Five years ago, our aviation industry did not own the gluing of flat parts - they got the technology somewhere and everything went well. Then the supply of synthetics and chemical materials stopped - everything stopped ... for a while. A year has passed - and VASO continues to glue the planes: somewhere they found something, somewhere they replaced something !!!
After all, we can, when it is VERY necessary ...

[Kurare]

Quote: hydrox

After all, we can, when it is VERY necessary ...

There are enough proverbs on this topic in Russian.
"Magic pendel", that's what you need!

[hydrox]

I strongly suspect that our Aviaprom is obsessed with friends like flies and it is clear that this is no longer the State Concern in the management.

[Kurare]

Quote: hydrox

Our aviation industry is obsessed with friends like flies

Regrettably, I have to agree ...

[Your stranger]

And did you allow Ukraine to buy bayraktars in Turkey?

[hydrox]

Definitely allowed!
Otherwise, what will Russia use to test microwave guns? The testing range is expensive (to buy at your own expense), but then they will offer them for free!

[spirit]

It's very similar to Mongoose)

[Emil Azeri]

Quote: spirit

It's very similar to Mongoose)

This is not Atak 2, this is Atak FAZ 2 (Phase 2 is just an improved version of the first Attack.)
Atak 2 is a completely different helicopter.

[lucul]

This is not Atak 2, this is Atak FAZ 2 (Phase 2 is just an improved version of the first Attack.)
Atak 2 is a completely different helicopter.

Do you see how Turkey, under Erdogan, went to develop militarily?
But Erdogan, only, did not agree to be a colony of the West, and chose an independent path.

[hrych]

Only the British-Italian AgustaWestland developed the Atak. And what about the engines for the Altay tank? The Austrians had to make the engines to teach, something didn’t come together, and the Germans would have to buy and install. They will receive their tanks when Constantinople has already fallen. Therefore, there are giants of arms, and there are Indians, Turks, etc., who would not have this money for their underdevelopment, which by the time of release will already become obsolete, but it is better to buy German Leopards and so on with a surplus, but not suffer.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Where does this arrogant disregard for other people's developments come from? Forgot how you copied and pasted engines for planes, tanks, trucks and cars?

[hrych]

As we want, so we behave. Household engines are not an indicator.

[bar]

According to the general director, the new Turkish combat helicopter will receive Ukrainian-made engines. At the same time, Kotil did not give other details regarding the power plants, limiting himself only to this statement.

Have the Sumerians thrown the Turks yet? Good luck to them in their hard work

[zwlad]

The Turks, unlike the Chinese, can swim and slap in the muzzles.

[bar]

They won't do anything with this striped mongrel. The owner won't let you.

[zwlad]

Erdogan showed the zaluzhniks that they are not his masters. So that...

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: zwlad

Erdogan showed the zaluzhniks that they are not his masters. So that...

Erdogan, maybe not. But the suppliers are very owners.
In general, I wonder how events will develop. China will demand 100% of its money back. And the money is gone. And you can't give Motor Sich back. How will the "guys" get out?

[K150]

Quote: zwlad

Erdogan showed the zaluzhniks that they are not his masters. So that...

A naive Nanai boy, the British incite Erdogash, just as they fed the Turks against us for many centuries before, but now they are shaved under the Amers, it is he who can only bend his fingers to his son and wife, and from these he feeds and receives technology.

[donavi49]

Well, the Turks can:
1) Failure to supply corvettes.
2) Refuse to service the Bayraktars.
3) Harshly throw Ukrainian manufacturers (Aselsan actually provided a well-fed life for many defense enterprises, using them in cooperation for their finished products. However, they can reassemble the cooperation).
4) Stop supplying TPV, walkie-talkies, automated control systems and army communications.

Well, etc.

[seti]

And for the engines themselves, not a word in the article. From the word at all.

[Reviews]

Quote: seti

And for the engines themselves, not a word in the article. From the word at all.

Why words? What other options besides TV-3-117?

[seti]

Then you need to write correctly - the Soviet engines are Ukrainian production. TV-3-117 of different modifications are available if you did not know.

[Reviews]

Quote: seti

if you didn't know.

Do not judge by yourself.

[orionvitt]

will receive Ukrainian engines

As if not ukran, but Soviet. Things need to be called by their proper names. There is nothing ukransky and will not wash. For 30 years of independence, they have not come up with anything of their own, national. Except, perhaps, Bandera, and it is already a hundred years old at lunchtime.

[NF68]

Quote: Flood

Quote: NF68

As if the Turks had bet on the wrong horse.

Quite an option as a temporary measure.
They will probably guess to buy with a margin, so as not to become again a toy in the hands of sanctioners.
Pure uncomplicated pragmatism, taking advantage of opportunities to achieve their own benefits.

The situation with Motor Sich clearly showed that modern Ukraine as a business partner is very unreliable.

[Dmitry Makarov]

By dealing with Ukraine, the Turks significantly undermine their defenses.
However, they still have a chance, when problems arise, they can turn to Russia, we have almost the same engines, only more modern and advanced.

[cniza]

Maybe they are thus lulling the vigilance of the United States ...

[COJIDAT]

Taking into account the current realities of Ukraine - "will receive" sounds metaphorical. Namely: when, how much and what quality)

[cniza]

According to the general director, the new Turkish combat helicopter will receive Ukrainian-made engines. At the same time, Kotil did not give other details regarding the power plants, limiting himself only to this statement.

Something the Turks are wise, they know the state of affairs very well ...

[hydrox]

Most likely, the Turks put their eyes on Motor Sich

[Emil Azeri]

And of course with modern percussion equipment of our own production on board

[Cowbra]

Where will the engines be produced? Motor Sich is still suspended, and it is not a fact that it is capable of producing anything now

[Your stranger]

Motor Sich has already mastered the production of gearboxes and blades, and there is also Konotop,
So I don't exclude the production of those helicopters in Turkey and Ukraine.

[not main]

Quote: Stranger

Motor Sich has already mastered the production of gearboxes and blades, and there is also Konotop,
So I don't exclude the production of those helicopters in Turkey and Ukraine.

Somehow, I doubt very much, at the expense of gearboxes and blades on the "motor sich"! And Konotop is just an ARZ that updates (cleans, paints the fuselage), but they had nothing to do with engines or gearboxes! This they received from subcontractors in a finished form! I know not by hearsay. I brought the Mi-24 there and more than once and took it more than once.

[Your stranger]

On July 3, 2019, on the territory of the Flight Test Complex of MOTOR SICH JSC, the next stage of factory tests of an experimental prototype of a civilian helicopter MSB-8 took place. The takeoff weight was 14 kg, which is 000 kg higher than that of the Mi-1 helicopters (000). Ambient temperature: + 8 ° С. After the control hover, the helicopter reached an altitude of 17 m.
Recall that the MSB-8 is a new type of helicopter created as a result of a phased, evolutionary development based on the fuselage design of the Mi-8MSB helicopter. At the same time, in comparison with the base model, not only the design changes, but also the flight performance characteristics. MSB-8 is a helicopter for civilian use using modern technologies and avionics.



The main advantages of the helicopter are:
The newest engines of the TV3-117VMA-SBM1V family developed by MOTOR SICH JSC with increased power with FADEC;
Main and tail rotor blades made of composite materials;
VR-17MS main gearbox;
Tail transmission XT-17MS with plate couplings;
Complex of modern electrical equipment and avionics

Motor Sich "began flight tests of blades for helicopters


15:45, 24.12.20202 XNUMX min read

On Thursday, Motor Sich PJSC began flight tests of composite blades for Mi-8 helicopters and metal blades for Mi-24 of Ukrainian production at its flight test complex.

[not main]

Quote: Stranger

Friend (Ivan) Today, 23:26

I did not bring this nonsense from Svidomo. Just a question and where is IT?

[K150]

Again dill's nonsense. Ale, uncle, the Ukrainians cannot use the blades and still do not get normal ones. He laughed about the gearboxes, well, some peremogs at Sich, though the production is in ruins.

[Ros 56]

With these banderlog, the Turks can fly like plywood over Paris. Let them ask the Chinese.
After all, they can easily be ordered by the striped ones to use the Turks' engines as punishment for buying the S-400 from us.

[Adimius38]

excellent engines, did not keep Ukraine now bite your elbows.

[Alexey CHL]

Who should bite their elbows? It seems like Motor Sich has lost a sales market for 80% of its products.

[Adimius38]

who has lost it so Russia has lost the entire range of products of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and this is not a little, and most of these are unique products and it takes years and billions of budget funds to create such a thing and it is not a fact that it will work out. And fairy tales, fairy tales about import substitution, remain fairy tales to this day.

[suhorukofal]

I like the logic of the Ukrainians, our own industry is on its last legs, the main sales market has been lost, but Russia must bite its elbows, well, it was she who suffered losses, and Ukraine began to flourish. Although the source of gloating and joy is understandable, everything is as usual - "to hell with him, that his house burned down, the main thing is that the neighbor's cow is dead."

[Adimius38]

and who can argue with that? Yes, the main sales market, Russia, has been lost. And there is no need to ascribe what I did not write. The loss of Ukraine hit everyone, including Russia, very tangibly. Ukraine is not flourishing, but Russia is biting its elbows. This is to be objective.

[suhorukofal]

Your messages just imply joy and accusations about this - "they did not hold back, Russia is biting its elbows." It is clear what hit everyone, but your words point to the guilt of Russia, and not to the very culprit of this "celebration", the most affected party, which itself buried its industry. Let me remind you that it was Ukraine that refused orders from Russia. This is the aforementioned schadenfreude of the fire victim. In principle, we can say with the same success that China did not hold back Motor Sich and let it bite its elbows. Another shot in the leg, and in the case of China, this is no longer a leg, but a place next to the legs. I repeat, I like this wonderful logic of some Ukrainians - to do nasty things, suffer yourself, and then say "bite your elbows."

[Slon1978]

In fact, I do not see what Russia has lost from the refusal of Motor-SICH products, except for time. Can you tell me? We have saved the money that we had previously paid to the Ukrainian company. Money is a universal resource that can be spent always and quickly - now this money is paid to JSC Klimov for the production of the same VK-2500 - an improved version of TV3-117. And you are left with engines that now have nowhere to sell, except for the Turks, who will buy them in 2024. May be. Russia is biting its elbows :)) I would understand if, due to the non-delivery of Ukrainian engines, our helicopter fleet would be chained to the ground, and at that time an adversary attacked us. Well, this did not happen, we were lucky, we endured it, now we are increasing the production of engines in Russia.

[Alexander X]

And those who do not sell penguins or engines to the Turks now will threaten Ukraine with a finger, and the Turks will have nothing, no advances issued for the engines, or the engines themselves ... "Plot?" ©

[TermNachTer]

They won't even be a finger. They will just say - nizz and fffsssee))) the Turks will put a bicycle drive)))

[AVA77]

In the plans of the Turks. Turkey + Ukraine = ATTACK 2
In the plans of Ukraine. Ukraine + Turkey = peremoga and lace panties.
In reality, the United States saw in a coffin, Motor Sich, Turkish ATAK 2 and in general all competitors in the arms market. That's all the mathematics.

[Eug]

This is only if Russia supplies Motor Sich with parts and components for engines under a "Turkish" contract. There can be a good barter for the necessary parts to

[Eug]

This is if Russia agrees to supply components for the engines under the "Turkish" contract. It can be a very good barter for the parts needed by Russia for the D-18 engines.

[TermNachTer]

Ha - ha, three times))) these Turks are naive "to tears" guys. They will receive the engines no sooner than Erdogan crawls on his knees to the Washington Reich Chancellery and will apologize for a long time))) and that is not a fact.

[Dimide]

Cooperation in action

[Azimuth]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

It is more logical to establish licensed production at home.

Ukrainians are also not fools, they will not give it up. The market is huge, they have no less on service than on sales.

[OgnennyiKotik]

It depends on what offer will be made, or rather to whom what bribe will be given. Since Soviet times, motor sichs have excellent engines, they have kept production, and some kind of scientific basis too. A tasty morsel for Turkey. But they are harmful to the United States and Europe, an extra competitor, this is the key problem.

[Azimuth]

They, the engines, remained not only from Soviet times, but were constantly modernized, and not without the help of our design bureau.
Their engines fly the entire line of Mi and Ka helicopters, UBS Yak-130, Chinese L-15, etc.
Hohlopitheki Turks will not be given a license even for a bribe, maximum assembly.

[FrankyStein]

The statesmen blocked their engines with them, it would be logical to block these too, otherwise their efforts are in vain.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

In vain they do it .... "Cossacks" with a motor-sichi are so wired to them that these heavy ones will either fall or stand on the ground and wait for years for "bolts and nuts", like the Chinese!

[garik77]

The Turks will get nothing. The Americans will not allow, they do not need a competitor, they need to sell their engines. With Motor Sich everything will be as usual. If they don't ditch it themselves, then foreign "investors" will help. They will buy it for a penny under the promises of mountains of gold, and then saw it for scrap.

[aszzz888]

Turkish heavy-class attack helicopter (Ağır Sınıf Taarruz Helikopter - ATTACK 2) will receive Ukrainian engines.

For a hard landing rotorcraft (see plane crash) are suitable. Turks, take more.

[Evil 55]

This is a dangerous business, to get involved with "jumpers" ... or they will be deceived, or they will have ...

[Alexey Bobrin]

He won't get anything

[Protos]

Quote: donavi49

Well, until very recently, these engines went on board the Aerospace Forces through a gasket all of a sudden in Estonia. For its own release was not even enough for the state defense order. Now Ukrainian engines are also usually used for export boards.

In 2014, Klimov assembled the first 10 engines entirely from Russian components. In 2015 - 30 In 2016 - 60 units In 2017 - 100 units In 2019 - 230 In 2020 420 units.
Ukrainian engines have not been bought since 2016. neither through gasket nor for export

[alexwolf63]

Until the Turks start making their engines, the helicopter is not Turkish. The Italians drew them a helicopter, a cheap engine from Ukraine, and a Turkish helicopter.