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Israel completes testing of new "Iron Sting" mortar ammunition with laser and GPS guidance

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Israel completes testing of new "Iron Sting" mortar ammunition with laser and GPS guidance

The Israel Defense Forces will soon receive a new laser-guided and GPS-guided mortar system. According to the Israeli military department, the new development was presented on Sunday, March 14.


The new high-precision firing system, using a laser and GPS-guided mortar shell, was named Iron Sting. Its development was carried out by Elbit Systems by order of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, the work was carried out for about 10 years.

As explained in the defense department, the 120-mm mortar ammunition is intended for the Cardom recoilless mortar mounted on the M113 armored personnel carrier, or the Cardom Spear mortar system mounted on the Hummer SUV. It allows you to fire mortar with an accuracy previously inaccessible to conventional mortars.


According to the developers, the accuracy of the mortar ammunition is comparable to that of a guided missile. It avoids collateral damage.

The press service of the Israeli Defense Ministry clarified that the ammunition has already passed all the necessary tests, its tests have been completed, and the issue of the start of mass production is being resolved.
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  1. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 10: 55
    -11%
    10 years!!!?
    What have they been doing for 10 years?
    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 15 March 2021 11: 00
      +12
      What did they say? And they did what we might not have started yet.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 15 March 2021 11: 04
        +1
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        What did they say? And they did what we might not have started yet.

        Why then. There is nothing new under the sun.
      2. venik
        venik 15 March 2021 11: 16
        -1
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        What did they say? And they did what we might not have started yet.

        =======
        fool Learn materiel! For a long time there have been 300-mm rounds for Tornado-S and 122-mm for Tornado-G.
        But on the fig they are needed for 120-mm mortars, if the firing range there is no more than 7 km - this is of course a question! It is much better to use a semi-active laser seeker here, as on the Kitolov and Krasnopol. Although, if there is nowhere to put money ....... request
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 11: 38
          +6
          Quote: venik
          Learn materiel! For a long time there have been 300-mm shells for the "Tornado-S" and 122-mm for the "Tornado-G"

          The range of the Iron Sting mortar artillery mine is 1–12 km, depending on the barrel of the mortar. Three operating modes, GPS / IMU, SAL + GPS / IMU and SAL + IMU, provide reliable capabilities in all combat scenarios. Iron Sting is equipped with a laser homing sensor capable of working with a standard pulse (NATO STANAG 3722) and a CW coded laser diode (lightweight and inexpensive, suitable for small drones and UAVs).
          1. Kaman
            Kaman 15 March 2021 20: 16
            -3
            Taking into account the sharp decrease in the consumption of unguided ammunition, this will drastically reduce the burden on logistics.
        2. Cananecat
          Cananecat 15 March 2021 11: 41
          +17
          Quote: venik
          But on the fig they are needed for 120-mm mortars, if the firing range there is no more than 7 km

          Apparently, the cost of one shot plays a big role. We are accustomed to working on squares with the full breadth of the Russian soul, and the Jews are counting on one or two shots to destroy an unwanted object.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 12: 07
            +9
            Quote: Canecat
            , and the Jews are counting on destroying an unacceptable object with one or two shots.

            You are not mistaken for use in densely populated urban areas, while reducing the likelihood of compromising security and preventing non-combat casualties.
          2. venik
            venik 15 March 2021 17: 12
            -2
            Quote: Canecat
            Apparently, the cost of one shot plays a big role. We are accustomed to working on squares with the full breadth of the Russian soul, and the Jews are counting on one or two shots to destroy an unwanted object.

            =======
            The funny thing is that a projectile with a semi-active laser seeker can provide higher accuracy compared to projectiles with satellite navigation! This is such a weirdness ...
            Although for Israel with its problems (frequent clashes in densely populated areas) and the abundance of funds for defense (partially compensated by the United States), perhaps this makes sense ...
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 18: 13
              +3
              Quote: venik
              (partially compensated by the USA),

              Little amendment.
              Own developments, only from your own pocket and from the pocket of the buyer (customer).
              American help ONLY for the purchase of American weapons i.e. additional appropriation for its military-industrial complex.
              1. venik
                venik 15 March 2021 22: 23
                0
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Little amendment.
                Own developments, only from your own pocket and from the pocket of the buyer (customer).
                American aid ONLY for the purchase of American weapons

                =======
                Isn't this a help to their own (Israeli) military-industrial complex? De facto: Substantial part the necessary military equipment arrives "sovegshenno bezmeszdno ie - dag!"

                In addition, financial assistance from diaspora around the world, it seems, no one has canceled ..... Yes, and their own economy and high technologies are also quite "at the level" .....
                Why not experiment?
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 23: 26
                  0
                  Quote: venik
                  In addition, it seems that no one has canceled financial assistance from diasporas around the world ..

                  And for Russia, too, no one canceled, 300 million live abroad and they help you? Isn't it funny yourself?
                  There are 8 million Jews outside Israel, and they provide targeted aid to charities, but not to the state budget.
                  Please provide the figures for the transfer of financial aid from the diaspora to the state budget
                  I will give just a few indicators of Israel's development.
                  Israel is the fourth largest exporter of diamonds in the world and holds 9,25% of the world market, which is estimated annually at 116 billion.
                  One of the country's largest employers is Israel Aerospace Industries, which mainly manufactures products for aviation, space and defense. the company's order book was US $ 11,4 billion.
                  Israel has a population of 9,1 million, with a total export of $ 58,4 billion in 2019 is roughly $ 6500 per inhabitant.
                  it’s both babies and old people

                  Calculate for yourself how much is in Russia lol
        3. DDZ57
          DDZ57 15 March 2021 16: 58
          +4
          For a long time there have been 300-mm rounds for Tornado-S and 122-mm for Tornado-G.


          An adequate addition to what they already have from Rafale in feces. 122 mm, 160 mm, 227 mm.
          And it must be borne in mind that the EPIK (Electro-Optical Precision Integration Kit) unit increases the range.

        4. ironic
          ironic 15 March 2021 18: 44
          +3
          Will you tornad and sprinkle every shit? fool And what if the whole area of ​​Derven is like that? No, I understand who will count these in Syria, but over there they counted 8 thousand peaceful people. And they could be more accurate and not so much put.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 11: 06
      +8
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      What have they been doing for 10 years?

      An interesting question, we will probably find out in 10 years more. For example:

      The development of the Spike NLOS rocket started back in the late seventies, and in 1981 she was put into service Israel Defense Forces. However, this system remained secret for a long time. Its existence was announced only in 2010. At the same time, the rocket was offered to potential foreign buyers.

      Humvee / MRAP based mortar:

    3. spectr
      spectr 15 March 2021 11: 34
      +5
      Most likely they provided the required accuracy. Each additional 10 meters of accuracy increases the development hemorrhoids several times.
    4. Maz
      Maz 15 March 2021 16: 38
      -10%
      MOSCOW, 15 March - RIA Novosti. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov met with a delegation from the Lebanese movement Hezbollah, the Russian Foreign Ministry told RIA Novosti.
      Answering a question about the meeting held in Moscow on Monday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said: "We confirm the fact of the meeting."
      The ministry did not add any details to what was said.

      And Dosi recalls with satisfaction how the Israeli reservist-major was furious at the mention of the Russian "Cornet", which smashed one of the dugouts of his company in Lebanon and sent a detachment of presumptuous Jews to the forefathers. Duck when it was ... just over 10 years ago. Apparently after that, they began to develop, and we already had the "Cornet". Modern ATGM "Kornet" has a range of 8 km. Give its capabilities and accuracy many times better. So there is still something to answer the mines. There are mines and shells. Let the Jews think they are the smartest. We are not sorry. We still have.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 15 March 2021 17: 37
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        Let the Jews think they are the smartest. We are not sorry. We still have.

        The man tearfully asked to be allowed into Israel for humanitarian reasons. They let me in. The allowance was not sickly they were paid. And now, he pours feces non-stop on Israel and rejoices in the death of our children.
        Admire! Here, she is the "fifth column"! Not imaginary, real. Z Nenki of Ukraine, in a direct course, from their homeland, arrived in Izrail.
        1. Maz
          Maz 15 March 2021 20: 03
          -5
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: Maz
          Let the Jews think they are the smartest. We are not sorry. We still have.

          The man tearfully asked to be allowed into Israel for humanitarian reasons. They let me in. The allowance was not sickly they were paid. And now, he pours feces non-stop on Israel and rejoices in the death of our children.
          Admire! Here, she is the "fifth column"! Not imaginary, real. Z Nenki of Ukraine, in a direct course, from their homeland, arrived in Izrail.

          I remembered this major, because before crying for the innocently killed soldiers in Lebanon (and what did they do there?) with Donbass "fought". And it was also very proud that Avakov personally handed him the passport of a citizen of Ukraine to him, the major of the Tsakhal, ... Well, that's why the work of "Kornet" and its operator is completely satisfied. And the rest is your speculation, gentlemen of the Jews.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 20: 47
            +2
            Quote: Maz
            their soldiers innocently killed in Lebanon (and what were they doing there?)

            They were looking for killed and kidnapped hikhbola (Lavrov's dragoons) of their fellow soldiers.
            Quote: Maz
            Major of the IDF, Avakov personally presented the passport of a citizen of Ukraine, ..

            Well, I really want to read about Major IDF. Please, the link will be interesting to everyone.
          2. ironic
            ironic 15 March 2021 21: 53
            +1
            A Jew is an anti-Semitic klikuha imposed on Jews such as you are in exile, and now there is a problem with this, with the imposition, because for the Cornet you can grab. Who is this major, I do not know, but the fact that there was nothing to do with people who had nothing to do with the Ukrainian events, then dancing on their bones in the forums is not for a bazaar to answer face to face.
      2. ironic
        ironic 15 March 2021 18: 52
        +8
        Spike beat this Cornet by a generation. And this mortar is not a replacement for ATGM. But you don't know anything about anything except bile. Are you glad that we put people in the Second Lebanese? Rejoice. I will be happy when you are buried in Israel, behind the fence. Did you order guest workers for the fence in advance? There are queues, however ... Well Hevre Kadisha does not shine for you. You will have to pay.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 20: 04
          +5
          Quote: ironic
          Did you order guest workers for the fence in advance? There are queues, however ... Well Hevre Kadisha does not shine for you. You will have to pay.

          Menuha Mehubbedet advised non-Jewish families to take care of the grave in advance.
          "You need to plan it in advance and save money", Total NIS 30000
          He has something to take care of, and he is about cornets laughing laughing
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 15 March 2021 20: 38
            0
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Menuha Mehubbedet advised non-Jewish families to take care of the grave in advance.
            "You need to plan it in advance and save money

            And if this is how Jewish families were treated in any country? Wouldn't such actions be considered a manifestation of Nazism?
            1. ironic
              ironic 15 March 2021 21: 45
              +2
              Well, I don't think this is a manifestation of Nazism towards my half-wife. I'll buy her a place, I'm not a rogue like Maz. And she herself is not a rogue, she can afford it without my help. An engineer with experience and decent experience in Intel can afford more. Therefore, in our family we consider the inscription in black red at the entrance to the city of Holon to be Nazism - "Hitler was right" in the language of the winner of the Great Patriotic War and a swastika next to it, and not the popularity of burials in non-Jewish cemeteries. And you should be wrong?

              PS Mazu specifically it was written on the principle of tit-for-tat, and where did you subscribe? Are you also happy about our losses in the war?
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 15 March 2021 22: 17
                -2
                Quote: ironic
                Well, I don't think this is a manifestation of Nazism towards my half-wife. I'll buy her a place, I'm not a rogue,

                To each his own. request
                Quote: ironic
                PS Mazu specifically it was written on the principle of tit for tat, and where did you subscribe?

                And I wrote to Gusev. What do you care?
                Quote: ironic
                Are you also happy about our losses in the war?

                Well, if you know that an individual previously participated in the murder of Russians in the Donbass, should we cry about his death?
                1. ironic
                  ironic 15 March 2021 22: 27
                  0
                  It was written on the gate, remember where?

                  Here is a forum, not a mezhsoboynichek, everyone writes to everyone. I did not understand which of us is a Jew, to answer a question with a question?

                  And how could someone have already taken part in something in Donbas, if when there was a Second Lebanese?
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 15 March 2021 22: 33
                    0
                    Quote: ironic
                    It was written on the gate, remember where?

                    Judging by that. what is happening in the world in general and in (in) Ukraine in particular, apparently they decided to forget ...
                    Quote: ironic
                    I do not understand which of us is a Jew, to answer a question with a question?

                    This happens, in these times more and more often ...
                    Quote: ironic
                    And how could someone have already taken part in something in Donbas, if when there was a Second Lebanese?

                    I don’t know, but if I participated and then was killed, I won’t cry.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 16 March 2021 00: 18
                      +1
                      A lot of things are happening in Ukraine, but this is not a reason to drag Israel into everything, which a lot of users on the forum do not for noble purposes.

                      Yes, I know, more and more often people are registered as Jews who are not afraid of them either by ear or spirit, are not afraid? This is not a great privilege, there is not enough leadership for everyone, and there is enough hatred for everyone written.

                      Those. you don't want to think and add two plus two. Your business. But I suspect it’s not because you can’t.
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 16 March 2021 10: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: ironic
                        Yes, I know, more and more often those who are neither hearing nor spirit about them are recorded as Jews,

                        I have nothing to do with this.
                        Quote: ironic
                        are not you afraid?

                        God
                        Quote: ironic
                        This is not a great privilege, the leadership of the world is not enough for everyone,

                        If you want to rule the world, these are your problems, I am not interested in that.
                        Quote: ironic
                        add two plus two don't want to

                        No I do not want to. Let everyone be according to his deeds.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 16 March 2021 22: 26
                        +1
                        I don't know if you have or not, but "this is happening more and more often" (C). wink

                        You wrote the wrong letter. It is more likely about those about whom it is said that they should not be in front of their face. Aren't you afraid that in front of your face looms not at all with a capital letter?

                        You well understood the sarcasm in my words, do not be so straightforward, you are not.

                        You should hardly want this, for your other post with an obvious forgery and unambiguous slander - "... for which they are supposed to be the villains." (C)
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 16 March 2021 22: 34
                        -6
                        Quote: ironic
                        I don't know if you have or not, but "this is happening more and more often" (C)

                        not. I do not have. was not. I don’t want to go there.
                        Quote: ironic
                        You wrote the wrong letter.

                        I wrote exactly that. what I wanted, but you are thinking of something ...
                        Quote: ironic
                        you are not like that.

                        again, for some reason you think you know me better than myself. Cool.
                        Quote: ironic
                        You should hardly want this, for your other post with an obvious forgery and unambiguous slander - "

                        Only your words. did not even invent anything. added nothing.
                        Quote: ironic
                        for whose deeds it is due to them, as to evil.

                        have a nice one you too.
                      4. ironic
                        ironic 16 March 2021 23: 54
                        +1
                        Well, yes, who doubted, it happens often, but I don’t want to.

                        I didn’t think it out, but pointed out an obvious inconsistency. The term absolute in any range of human representation does not fit in with the pettiness of subjective complexes.

                        I do not believe, I read what you write. As you write, this is how you look. Not fun even once.

                        Not only did they not add, but cut, compiled and compromised the cut to the best of their own licentiousness. A low trick, however, for the one who mentions it in vain.

                        I'd rather be sick than be healthy with your "prayers".
                      5. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 17 March 2021 10: 08
                        -6
                        Quote: ironic
                        I'd rather be sick than be healthy with your "prayers".

                        Well here are the goodies. good
                      6. ironic
                        ironic 17 March 2021 19: 19
                        +1
                        There will be no favors for you either. negative "I will bless those who bless you, but those who curse you I will curse." (C)
                      7. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 17 March 2021 19: 24
                        -8
                        Quote: ironic
                        There will be no favors for you either. "I bless those who bless you, but those who curse you I am cursed

                        let him come back to you. wink
                      8. ironic
                        ironic 17 March 2021 20: 57
                        0
                        I agree if I know further what you will be mirrored. sad Ancient wisdom - those who demand the judgment of heaven will be judged first.
                      9. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 17 March 2021 21: 48
                        -7
                        Quote: ironic
                        I agree if I know further what will be reflected in your mirror. Ancient wisdom - those who demand the judgment of heaven will be judged first.

                        Here you have blown up the trunk! No, well, I understand that the truth is not very pleasant, but I did not think that it was that much. repeat
                      10. ironic
                        ironic 17 March 2021 21: 57
                        +2
                        You really are two big differences, as they say in Odessa. What has undermined me is not your sadness. Meanness, and even in an attempt to call meanness true, should not remain without an appropriate characteristic. negative
                      11. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 17 March 2021 22: 00
                        -7
                        Quote: ironic
                        You really are two big differences, as they say in Odessa. What has undermined me is not your sadness. Meanness, and even in an attempt to call meanness true, should not remain without an appropriate characteristic.

                        Well, take it easy, take a deep breath, then exhale, take a glass of water, drink it, take it easy. Understand, I don't care about your opinion, I have my own. wink
                      12. ironic
                        ironic 17 March 2021 22: 22
                        +1
                        Well, it means that you do not have an opinion, you have an action and your attitude to it, I expressed it unequivocally. When you wash your hands of your action, maybe your opinion will become the subject of a dispute for me about the difference of opinion.
                      13. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 17 March 2021 22: 41
                        -7
                        Quote: ironic
                        Well, it means that you do not have an opinion, you have an action and your attitude to it, I expressed it unequivocally. When you wash your hands of your action, maybe your opinion will become the subject of a dispute for me about the difference of opinion.

                        However, do write and write to me. There are Jews here, whom I do not just read, but whose opinion I am not indifferent to. This is Albert (Krasnodar) and Voyaka Uh (he doesn't even know about it). And you don't have my respect. Walk by. hi
                      14. ironic
                        ironic 17 March 2021 23: 11
                        +1
                        I answer you to your insinuations. Serves you right. I don't care who you think is authoritative and who is not, I am writing specifically about your very specific act. It's good that I have no respect for those capable of such baseness. I'm squeamish enough for that. I just forgot to ask you where to go to the forum. sad
                      15. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 17 March 2021 23: 12
                        -8
                        Quote: ironic
                        I answer you to your insinuations. Serves you right. I don't care who you think is authoritative and who is not, I am writing specifically about your very specific act. It's good that I have no respect for those capable of such baseness. I'm squeamish enough for that. I forgot from only you ask where I go on the forum

                        laughing
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  2. Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 March 2021 19: 26
    -8
    Quote: ironic
    There will be no favors for you either. "I will bless those who bless you, but those who curse you I will curse."

    let him come back to you. tongue
  3. ironic
    ironic 17 March 2021 20: 58
    0
    And to spam twice is for certainty? Lowers. fool negative
  4. Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 March 2021 21: 49
    -6
    Quote: ironic
    And to spam twice is for certainty? Lowers.

    By Allah, I didn’t want to do that on purpose. request
  5. ironic
    ironic 17 March 2021 22: 25
    +1
    Allah is great, he will figure it out. "And do not swear by Allah, except when you are truthful" - Hadith 3248
  6. Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 March 2021 22: 37
    -6
    Quote: ironic
    Allah is great, he will figure it out. "And do not swear by Allah, except when you are truthful" - Hadith 3248

    That's why I swear.
  7. ironic
    ironic 17 March 2021 22: 39
    +1
    Yeah, but to cut a piece of the post under your dirty little thoughts and pass it off as mine, was it also fair?
  8. Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 March 2021 22: 43
    -8
    Quote: ironic
    Yeah, but to cut a piece of the post under your dirty little thoughts and pass it off as mine, was it also fair?

    I do not throw pearls in front of everyone.
  9. ironic
    ironic 17 March 2021 23: 06
    +1
    So don't throw beads in front of you. wink Hands will be cleaner.
  10. Tank hard
    Tank hard 17 March 2021 23: 07
    -8
    Quote: ironic
    So don't throw beads in front of you.

    laughing
  11. ironic
    ironic 18 March 2021 13: 13
    0
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: ironic
    So don't throw beads in front of you.

    laughing

    negative
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 22: 08
    +3
    Quote: Tank Hard
    And if this is how Jewish families were treated in any country? Wouldn't such actions be considered a manifestation of Nazism?

    First you need to know the laws of the state, and then draw conclusions. I may not like some of the laws of your state, but I do not undertake to condemn not to offend him.
    Israel, this state created for Jews and accordingly, the Israeli Parliament passed a law on the nationality of Israel, which recognizes the country "the nation state of the Jewish people" If non-Jews entered the country under some pretext, they enjoy equal rights with all citizens, except for religion (if they have not passed the conversion, which many do), and rituals such as Brit Mila, weddings, funerals are carried out only for religious the laws because religion is not separated from the state.
    Well, as for who we are talking about, this person gave up Its homeland and moved to a foreign country in all respects, a country he hated, which he can leave without any complications, but he understands that IN HIS HOMELAND WHICH HE LEFT he will not live as he lives here, so he understands that he EXTRA EVERYWHERE!
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 March 2021 22: 27
      -1
      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
      Israel, this state was created for the Jews and accordingly, the Israeli Parliament passed a law on the national character of Israel, which recognizes the country as the "national state of the Jewish people"

      Something that reminds me of ... repeat
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 23: 40
        +2
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Something that reminds me of ...

        Only one.
        State of Israel!
        I wrote to you above, I also may not like a lot in your state and it may remind me ...
        So what of this?
        And what will change from this?
        YOU ARE RIGHT, NOTHING!
        YOU live in yours, and I in mine!
      2. ironic
        ironic 16 March 2021 00: 24
        +2
        Reminiscent of the people's right to self-determination and statehood. But the indicative face of the people is the provision of a full range of civil rights to all national minorities (I do not like graters for equality, there is no equality anywhere and in anything) at the level of legislation. Theoretically, they could not provide, but they legalized it differently. So this is our face, and what reminds you is your face.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 16 March 2021 10: 34
          -1
          Quote: ironic
          I do not like graters for equality, there is no equality anywhere and in anything)

          Quote: ironic
          So this is our face

          Very frankly. good
          1. ironic
            ironic 16 March 2021 22: 15
            +1
            Well, yes, here is a natural forgery compiled by you, which is a libel in its purest form - this is your face, and yes, it is extremely frank. negative
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  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 March 2021 10: 56
    +3
    What are some troubles with iron in Israel? That "iron" dome, then the "iron" sting ... Excess or shortage?
    1. venik
      venik 15 March 2021 11: 07
      +7
      Quote: Tank Hard
      What are some troubles with iron in Israel? That "iron" dome, then the "iron" sting ... Excess or shortage?

      =======
      Well, damn it! They took it off the tongue! good drinks I just wanted to write that they have some kind of strange craving for iron ... laughing
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 15 March 2021 11: 36
        0
        Quote: venik
        I just wanted to write that they have some kind of strange craving for iron ...

        Is it just them? request And the Tin Woodman? And the Iron Kaput? Steel 20th division ..
        1. ironic
          ironic 15 March 2021 18: 57
          +2
          Interesting associations ... And the Russland division should also be considered a craving for the Russian? request
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 15 March 2021 11: 33
      +9
      Quote: Tank Hard
      What are some troubles with iron in Israel? That "iron" dome, then the "iron" sting ... Excess or shortage?

      Marketing bullshit - iron means durable, reliable, effective
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 March 2021 20: 21
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Marketing bullshit - iron means durable, reliable, effective

        I wonder why not steel then?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 15 March 2021 20: 57
          +4
          Western pop culture - Ironman is cool, for example, and Steel (steel) is a deepening into uninteresting details and sounds like still - this is "still" in English or steal - to steal)).
          Imagine the name - Steel Dome, aka a stolen dome, aka still a dome - sounds the same. laughing
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 15 March 2021 21: 02
            +3
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Western pop culture - Ironman is cool, for example

            hi Over the years. I like the East more and more. But I still like to listen to metal. wink
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 March 2021 21: 13
              +2
              I also like this song))
              Thus, the main consumer of the Jews is the West, then India and Azerbaijan, and the most "buying" - the Arabs, still hold the embargo of Israeli products. laughing
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 15 March 2021 21: 18
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                I also like this song))

                Here is their cool clip, the same, I did not think that they would sing about the Battle of Kursk.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 21: 23
                  0
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  that they will sing about the Battle of Kursk.

                  They have my favorite song.
                  There is also about the 9th company. Best of all adaptations.


                  There is about "Attack of the Dead" but I like the cover sneaker better


                  The Swedes sing about Poltava, very worthily.
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 15 March 2021 21: 30
                  0
                  Unexpectedly good
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 15 March 2021 21: 20
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                I also like this song))

                The Swedes are generally a very musical nation. So the Russians sang their song coolly good .
            2. Shimshon
              Shimshon 16 March 2021 09: 23
              +1
              [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/Bds3FALcR7M]
              Well, listen to oriental metal.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 16 March 2021 10: 43
                +1
                Quote: Shimshon
                [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/Bds3FALcR7M]
                Well, listen to oriental metal.

                Thank you! Very interesting, bookmarked.
                Here is heavy music from another part of the East. Rate it, I really like it.
                1. Shimshon
                  Shimshon 16 March 2021 17: 04
                  +1
                  Thank you, I listened to them. They are cool.
                  Israel has a good metal scene. Very diverse in directions. If you are interested, I will gladly add links. Heavy Metal Forever ™
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 16 March 2021 17: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Shimshon
                    Israel has a good metal scene. Very diverse in directions. If you are interested, I will gladly add links. Heavy Metal Forever ™

                    Very interesting! You can in a personal. drinks
    3. Cananecat
      Cananecat 15 March 2021 11: 44
      0
      Their "sting" apparently has a certain sacred meaning ... but the iron, as we know, does not bend. ))
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 March 2021 20: 22
        +1
        Quote: Canecat
        well, iron, as we know, does not bend. ))

        Well, it depends on the load. It only rusts stronger than steel, for example.
    4. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: Tank Hard
      That "iron" dome, then "iron" sting.

      And what do you think about the names "Tin Woodman", "Iron Chancellor", "Iron Lady", "Iron Henry". And finally, the "Iron Curtain".
      It means that there is IRON IN THESE ACTIONS.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 March 2021 20: 49
        +2
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        to the titles "Tin Woodman",

        There is such a school of operational karate, of the same name, located in the region of Moscow and the region. I have nothing to do with them. I studied two other directions. So, what - by ...
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 22: 18
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          There is such a school of operational karate, of the same name, located in the Moscow region

          Dear, this is you pass, I don't know anything about this school.
          But about the fabulous hang of A. Volkov "The Wizard of Oz" with one of the heroes Tin Woodman , very many are familiar.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 15 March 2021 22: 20
            0
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            But many people are familiar with A. Volkov's fairy-tale hang-up "The Wizard of the Emerald City" with one of the heroes, the Tin Woodman.

            congratulations, you are now involved in world culture. wink
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 23: 31
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Congratulations, you now are involved in world culture.

              Now, this is not serious, it happened 50 years ago.
    5. Professor
      Professor 15 March 2021 16: 19
      +10
      Quote: Tank Hard
      What are some troubles with iron in Israel? That "iron" dome, then the "iron" sting ... Excess or shortage?

      And you have a craving for flowers. Chrysanthemum, Carnation and further down the list. Excess or shortage? wink

      PS
      The hitting accuracy of the system with satellite guidance is <10 m, with a laser illumination of about 1 meter.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 March 2021 20: 26
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        And you have a craving for flowers. Chrysanthemum, Carnation and further down the list. Excess or shortage?

        It is customary to lay down on graves ... It is generally not customary to give carnations to living people, they say a bad omen. repeat
  • Pivot
    Pivot 15 March 2021 10: 58
    +8
    In my opinion, guided mines are a very demanded direction, if a guided 80mm will eventually produce a very demanded system
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 15 March 2021 11: 39
      0
      Quote: Pivot
      if a controlled 80mm will eventually produce a very demanded system

      Yes, it seems like ours announced a guided projectile in the caliber of 57 mm. And it's even easier to cram it into a mine.
      But it seems that there is just no demand.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 15 March 2021 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: Pivot
      if controlled 80mm will eventually produce

      The British had an 81-mm mine with the "Merlin" seeker ... The Americans even developed a 60-mm mine with a laser guidance system, but then they refused ... they did not like the efficiency / cost criterion! To be able to use an 81-mm mine as an aerial bomb for a UAV, they also developed a correction module (laser "attachment") for this mine ... there are also 60-mm "aerial bombs" for UAVs ...
    3. PCF
      PCF 15 March 2021 18: 12
      0
      "I'm adyn smart right now, I'll tell you, just don't be offended" (C)
      I had the good fortune to talk with a man who fought in the Donbass at the very beginning, and so, he did not speak very well about the 80s, but he praised 120. As a result of the conversations, uh ... a certain thought that working with a entrenched enemy is better than machine gun or 30 mm cannon, BUT remote detonation would be very useful. A simple scheme, in the dimensions of a standard fuse (well, it can be a little longer), costing a dozen bucks, a movable limb, a remote key, we set a detonation at a height of 5-10 meters ... and the losses of an entrenched enemy can multiply.
      Yes, this is not an expensive guided munition, but also not a simple mine, in which half of the fragments go into the ground a meter from the explosion.
      I don't know which principle will be more reliable / more compact / cheaper, but my slanting eye has a choice - optics / laser / IR, radio, ultrasound, but at least a telescopic bar ...
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 16 March 2021 05: 44
        0
        Quote: PCF
        As a result of the conversations, uh ... a certain idea was born to me that it is better to work with a mortar against an entrenched enemy than with a machine gun or a 30 mm cannon, BUT remote detonation would be very useful. A simple circuit, in the dimensions of a standard fuse (well, you can be a little longer), costing a dozen bucks

        Yes, the thought is not new.
        Proximity fuses for mines have been invented for a long time, though they cost a little more expensive than a dozen bucks, that's why we can also be used before.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 March 2021 10: 59
    +5
    Israel completes testing of new "Iron Sting" mortar ammunition with laser and GPS guidance

    So it is understandable, ammunition is becoming smarter .... i.e. not by quantity, but by accuracy.
    The EW value is increasing more and more.
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 March 2021 11: 32
      -1
      Good time! hi

      I don't know what its firing range is, but I think it's not great, and why make everything so complicated ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 March 2021 11: 49
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        You can do it the other way ... To say that this is a quirk of manufacturers / customers, probably not. They want in one fell swoop, all beatings.
        In general, we have been striving for this for a long time.
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 March 2021 11: 53
          +1
          Okay, that's their business, let them bother ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 March 2021 11: 55
            +2
            Countermeasures must be in place.
            1. cniza
              cniza 15 March 2021 11: 57
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Countermeasures must be in place.


              I would very much like to and I think that the specialists are already concerned ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 March 2021 12: 33
                +3
                Hard. A full-fledged electronic warfare is not close to the front line, there remains a bed satellites ???
                1. ironic
                  ironic 15 March 2021 19: 04
                  -1
                  Electronic warfare on corrected mines? Oh well. It will not help to cut off the connection in the area stupidly.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 15 March 2021 19: 21
                    0
                    Mines are corrected / guided by GPS, as indicated in the article. It is unprecedented to influence him ...
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 15 March 2021 22: 02
                      0
                      It is also corrected with a laser. Yes, I saw the unseen that the Kazakhs brought to us on the course of anti-terror. Which I don't remember, but there is a lot of power, there is little selectivity. In a real situation - firewood.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 15 March 2021 22: 45
                        0
                        Who saw what ... when there is a battle in urban development, from the laser to the point ... like a goat of milk, DUST.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 15 March 2021 23: 27
                        -1
                        And how did our pilots plant laser-guided bombs in the already partially destroyed neighborhoods of Beirut? Probably they just didn't know that there was dust.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 16 March 2021 06: 02
                        0
                        Who and what put / laid there ...... destroyed when that and the moment when there is a battle, i.e. dust in a column, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, in time and so on.
                        In general, EVERYTHING, educate yourself elsewhere.
                      4. ironic
                        ironic 16 March 2021 22: 40
                        0
                        And at the time of the bombing, the dust is not a pillar and the fires from the previous raid are also extinguished instantly. The spot of illumination is of course washed out by smoke and dust, but this does not mean that the capture system will immediately lose it. Failure to lock the target can, of course, occur, so guidance is duplicated. But the disruption of both GPS and laser guidance until the target is completely lost, this is already from the field of statistics of standard deviations, otherwise such ammunition would simply not be relevant. In any battle, smoke and dust immediately appear.
  • Professor
    Professor 15 March 2021 16: 25
    +7
    Quote: cniza
    Good time! hi

    I don't know what its firing range is, but I think it's not great, and why make everything so complicated ...

    Up to 12 km. A standard 120 mm mine has up to 8 km.
    Complicate? On the contrary, they simplify. Do you need artillery support in urban areas tens of meters away from you? Send the coordinates of the target or simply show it with a laser designator and the target will be quickly hit. And no one will understand where it came from, as a mortar in a jeep. Less than a minute to deploy a couple of shots and fold and leave the place ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 15 March 2021 19: 24
      0
      In urban areas, where the battle is going on, dust can stand in a pillar .... laser guidance is not always effective.
  • ironic
    ironic 15 March 2021 19: 00
    -1
    Up to 12 km. In order not to blame everyone in a row, then it is necessary.
  • Proton
    Proton 15 March 2021 11: 01
    +2
    Mines are laser-guided (illuminated) and we have (Edge) in our arsenal.
    The ammunition is good and necessary, but the price is high.
    It is expensive to carry out exercises with such a mine.
    Although everything is relative.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 March 2021 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: Proton
      The ammunition is good and necessary, but the price is high.

      In the near future, artillery BPs will approach ICBMs in cost. Even now, when fired like this, consider the "Mercedes" from the barrel flew out.
    2. Alexfly
      Alexfly 15 March 2021 11: 07
      +1
      Do you still live by the principle - mothers still give birth?
      1. Proton
        Proton 15 March 2021 11: 09
        +6
        I don't live by this principle. Do not give your conjectures for my principles.
        I just gave out the actual state of affairs - this mine is very expensive compared to the "stupid" mine.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: Proton
          this mine is very expensive compared to the "stupid" mine.

          Compared to the lives of the people it protects?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 15 March 2021 12: 26
            +1
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Quote: Proton
            this mine is very expensive compared to the "stupid" mine.

            Compared to the lives of the people it protects?

            More people will die from such a mine than from an ordinary one.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 15: 36
              -2
              Quote: Piramidon
              More people will die from such a mine than from an ordinary one.


              Please explain your statement.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 15 March 2021 15: 42
                -2
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Please explain your statement.

                A more accurate projectile makes it possible to more guaranteed to destroy the enemy's manpower. Accordingly, there will be more victims. Otherwise, why develop them. Or do you think that only Israelis are people, and everyone else is consumable?
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 17: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  A more accurate projectile makes it possible to more guaranteed to destroy the enemy's manpower. Accordingly, there will be more victims

                  It is necessary to distinguish the enemy's losses abouttons of peaceful civilians not participating in hostilities... For this, we are developing high precision и very expensive means of destruction adversary without harming the civilian population.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 15 March 2021 19: 09
                    +1
                    The usual philosophy is to knock out the brains with gravitational machines or Grads. At worst, Krasnopol may come to mind. An amazing worldview in general. Infantry in a cardboard armored personnel carrier is also normal. But it's cheap. Coffins are seen in the price.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 15 March 2021 15: 53
          +3
          this mine is very expensive compared to the "stupid" mine.
          in this area, and the thesis can be traced: "still give birth ..." !? wink
        3. Professor
          Professor 15 March 2021 16: 27
          +6
          Quote: Proton
          I just gave out the actual state of affairs - this mine is very expensive compared to the "stupid" mine.

          Who told you that? You are not comparing the cost of a single ammunition, but the cost of hitting a target. How many "stupid" mines do you need to hit a pinpoint target?
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 15 March 2021 11: 06
    +6
    Well done Israelis! I respect, slowly, slowly promoting high-quality weapons. Peeping, developing ...
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 15 March 2021 11: 59
      -3
      Quote: AlexFly
      Well done Israelis! I respect, slowly, slowly, they are promoting high-quality weapons. Peeping, developing ...

      ===
      Zionism-militarism
  • Free wind
    Free wind 15 March 2021 11: 24
    +2
    Damn, well, how not to joke over the top photo. Rope with knots wassat , lag is, I tell you the truth. The gunner counted out a couple of cables for the rope, "whoa horse". wassat ... Charging of course will come up with a normal one. Do not charge it constantly with fart steam. The loader's hat is cool. Damn, why is the rope made of pieces tied? What, the shekels ended on a normal halyard. laughing
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 15 March 2021 12: 11
      +12
      Quote: Free Wind
      Damn, well, how not to joke over the top photo. Rope with knots wassat , lag is, I tell you the truth. The gunner counted out a couple of cables for the rope, "whoa horse". wassat ... Charging of course will come up with a normal one. Do not charge it constantly with fart steam. The loader's hat is cool. Damn, why is the rope made of pieces tied? What, the shekels ended on a normal halyard. laughing

      For those who are not in the know: people work in a desert outfit. A valve is visible on the back, and a mesh under it. On the front of the hat there is a dark rectangle - also a mesh, so that the sweat evaporates and it is cooler. On the back of the hat there is a curtain falling down the neck so that it does not burn out in the sun.
      The rope is in bundles, apparently of some size for a note. Don't run a tape measure if you need to measure something every time.
      The mockery is not credited. hi
  • O. Bender
    O. Bender 15 March 2021 11: 39
    0
    In Donbass, it would not hurt to put the Edge with Voentorg. For filigree response to ghouls. True, the calculation of the illumination ... you will not envy this. There should be steel Faberges.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 15 March 2021 15: 56
      +2
      It would not hurt Donbass, Put the Edge by Voentorg
      and who is there, will pay the bill for her !? Or, again, they will take from the poor Russians, a new surcharge to the VAT !? laughing wink
  • Your stranger
    Your stranger 15 March 2021 12: 08
    +1
    I think one of the first buyers will be Azerbaijan
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 15 March 2021 12: 12
      0
      Maybe. They already have the mortar.

      1. Emil Azeri
        Emil Azeri 15 March 2021 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Maybe. They already have the mortar.

        There are 2 types in Azerbaijan, the first systems of the "Cardom" model on mini Mercedes trucks (in the first video.) In the second video Spear mk2, for a long time there are corrected ammunition for them, but not laser ones. The Spear mk2 has a highly computerized fire control system that is superbly accurate. Can fire 360 ​​°, range 10 km.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 15 March 2021 16: 55
    0
    Quote: venik
    Quote: Tank Hard
    What are some troubles with iron in Israel? That "iron" dome, then the "iron" sting ... Excess or shortage?

    =======
    Well, damn it! They took it off the tongue! good drinks I just wanted to write that they have some kind of strange craving for iron ... laughing

    I naively believed that there is a craving for GOLD! request

    But he also noted the corporate identity of the Israelis. And without exception: the "iron dome" is made by "Raphael", and the "iron sting" is made by "Elbit".
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 15 March 2021 17: 35
      +3
      Quote: RealPilot
      I naively believed that there is a craving for GOLD!

      Faster from not understanding in which state everything is possible and where the tax administration will come tomorrow
      State Duma Deputy Valery Rashkin demands to find out where the Gazprom security guard got a toilet bowl for 200 thousand rubles.
      Media reported about the seizure of "gold" assets from the deputy Sopchuk for 38 billion rubles
      Not there Shura saw laughing
    2. ironic
      ironic 15 March 2021 19: 17
      +2
      Well, yes, she is naivety so naive. But the stigma of this naivety still has that history. what
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 15 March 2021 17: 33
    +3
    Quote: Emil Azeri
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Maybe. They already have the mortar.

    There are 2 types in Azerbaijan, the first systems of the "Cardom" model on mini Mercedes trucks (in the first video.) In the second video Spear mk2, for a long time there are corrected ammunition for them, but not laser ones. The Spear mk2 has a highly computerized fire control system that is superbly accurate. Can fire 360 ​​°, range 10 km.

    Do you supply an OMS in the same configuration?
    1. Emil Azeri
      Emil Azeri 15 March 2021 18: 49
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi

      Do you supply an OMS in the same configuration?


      Exactly, we have such


      The same MSA Elbit Systems installs on all Azerbaijan mortars-howitzers that you have undergone modernization, or rather "completion".
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 15 March 2021 19: 30
        +3
        Quote: Emil Azeri
        Quote: Aaron Zawi

        Do you supply an OMS in the same configuration?


        Exactly, we have such


        The same MSA Elbit Systems installs on all Azerbaijan mortars-howitzers that you have undergone modernization, or rather "completion".

        Clear. Thank.
  • svoit
    svoit 15 March 2021 18: 36
    +4
    Quote: Canecat
    We are used to working on squares with the full breadth of the Russian soul,

    In order to work on the areas, it is necessary to somehow achieve secrecy and massiveness of funds. And no one knows how to achieve this. And sometimes this is not possible at all. And then 2-3 relatively transportable and stealthy mortars can destroy up to 1 enemy positions within 2-10 minutes. Then quickly move 100-200 m and destroy the otvetku from there.
  • riwas
    riwas 16 March 2021 04: 33
    +1
    81-mm "Merlin" with radar seeker MMV (Great Britain, firing range 4,5 km) and 120-mm "Strix" with IR seeker (Sweden, firing range 7,5 km with an additional charge) have cumulative warheads and are intended in the first turn to destroy armored vehicles in the most vulnerable upper part, where the armor is thinnest. They complement ATGMs.

  • riwas
    riwas 16 March 2021 04: 46
    +1
    120mm designed for Cardom recoilless mortar

    Not recoilless, but recoil.
    The new complex of mortar weapons was named CARDOM (Computerised Autonomous Recoil rapid Deployed Outrange Mortar - "Computerized autonomous recoilable rapid deployment mortar with increased firing range").

    https://topwar.ru/43086-minometnyy-kompleks-cardom-izrail.html
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 16 March 2021 09: 32
    0
    pancake! wondering how much is a shot there ??? : - /
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 17 March 2021 09: 11
      +1
      The price will do little. It is more important to understand what is the difference in the number of mines required for guaranteed destruction of an object, between a conventional and a "smart mine"
  • ironic
    ironic 18 March 2021 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: ironic
    "Laughter for no reason, a sign of foolishness." (C) - folk wisdom.

    tongue

    stop negative