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The Stanford Prison Experiment: How Americans Tried to Explain the Holocaust

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"Virus of Nazism"


After World War II, the enlightened world community tried to answer the question - how did humanity allow the mass destruction of their own kind in the death camps?

How can you explain the emergence of monstrous organizations like the SS and Unit 731?

For the first time, professional psychiatrists managed to encounter representatives of the "superior race" at the Nuremberg trials. One of them was Douglas Kelly, who oversaw the mental health of the Nazi leadership throughout the trial.

Kelly was convinced that all the defendants were mentally ill people. There is no other way to explain the atrocities they were capable of.

The opposite was the point of view of the psychiatrist Gustav Gilbert, who considers war criminals to be rather healthy people with minor disabilities. Later, both doctors would write two bestsellers - Gilbert's "The Nuremberg Diary", Kelly - "22 cameras".

Indeed, some of the "patients" gave the impression of being insane. Goering sat rigidly on paracodein. The alcoholic Robert Leigh was confused about the perception of colors. And Rudolf Hess was sure that he was being methodically persecuted, and complained of memory loss. Later, of course, he confessed that he feigned idiocy in the hope of avoiding punishment.


Rorschach inkblots. Source: pikabu.ru

The results of IQ testing of war criminals were a real shock for psychiatrists.

Despite the imperfection of such methods for assessing mental abilities, the IQ test forms a general picture of personality development. The most impressive result was shown by Hjalmar Schacht, the man responsible for the Nazi economy, and the lowest IQ was recorded by Julius Streicher. However, even the ardent anti-Semitic propagandist had an above-average intelligence development.

Streicher, in general, was a very amusing prisoner. None of the accused wanted to talk to him, eat together, or even sit next to him at the hearings of the trial. A renegade among outcasts, totally obsessed with hatred of Jews.

Gustav Gilbert wrote about Streicher:

“The obsession made itself felt in almost every conversation with him in the cell, even before the start of the trial.

Streicher considered it his duty to convince every visitor of his cell about his competence in the field of anti-Semitism, and at the same time, against his will, slipping into obscene erotic or blasphemous topics, apparently, most of all inspiring him. "

Dr. Kelle echoed to a colleague:

“He created for himself a system of dogmas of faith, which on a superficial examination seemed logical, but were based only on his personal feelings and prejudices, and not on objective facts.

He developed and implemented this system so thoroughly that he himself firmly believed in it.

During my conversations with Streicher, it turned out to be impossible to communicate for several minutes without him starting to discuss the "Jewish question."

He constantly thought about the Jewish conspiracy.

Twenty-four hours a day, his every idea and every action revolved around this idea. "

Medically speaking, this was a typical paranoid reaction.

But with all this, Streicher showed an IQ level above average. The psychiatric examination, organized on the initiative of the lawyer Hans Marx, recognized Streicher as fully sane and capable of defending himself.

Anti-Semitism came through from the hardened Nazi literally from everywhere. So, to Dr. Gilbert, he confessed in secret:

“I have already noticed that three of the judges are Jews ... I can determine blood. These three are uncomfortable when I look at them. I see it. I've spent twenty years studying race theory. Character is learned through complexion. "

Disgusting Nazi and died disgusting.

He had to be dragged to the gallows by force, before his death he fought in hysterics and shouted:

“Heil Hitler! Are you having a fun Jewish celebration here today? But still, this is my Purim, not yours! The day will come when the Bolsheviks will outweigh many, very many of you! "

According to witnesses, the rest of those sentenced to death died more or less quickly, but Streicher had to be strangled almost with his hands.

But back to the psychological portraits of the rest of the Nazi elite.

The average IQ of 21 inmates was 128, which is a very good indicator even for the ruling class.

It is noteworthy that Goering did not like his third place in the ranking of Nazi defendants very much, and he even demanded retesting. But the honorary laurels of the "smartest Nazi" remained with Hjalmar Schacht.


Nuremberg Trials. Source: ria.ru © Evgeny Khaldei

Psychiatric studies have shown that the Nazi elite is fine with brains.

Then where to look for the notorious "virus of Nazism"?

Dr. Kelle pinned some hopes on the Rorschach test. Its essence is in the interpretation of ink blots that are symmetrical about the vertical axis - the defendants were asked to name the first associations that came to mind.

It turned out that the level of creativity at the Nazi elite is very meager. It would seem that this is the explanation of the brutal essence! But here, too, the results did not in any way stand out from the average values ​​for the population.

Responsible for unleashing the toughest in stories wars and deaths of millions of innocents in death camps turned out to be quite normal people, albeit very intelligent.

This put the world psychiatry in a very uncomfortable position - science could not explain such atrocity by abnormalities in brain activity.

The results of the work with the Nazis left deep traces in the minds of psychiatrists. Douglas Kelle committed suicide in 1958, following the example of Goering by poisoning himself with potassium cyanide. Until the end of his days, he admired Goering's suicide, calling it a masterful move. Another psychiatrist, Moritz Fuchs, became disillusioned with the methods of psychiatry and devoted himself to serving God in theological seminary. Only Gustav Gilbert remained faithful to his profession and passed away as a world-renowned psychiatrist.

But the problem of the "Nazi virus" remained unresolved.

Zimbardo Initiative


Phillip Zimbardo, Ph.D., by 1971 was already a very eminent psychologist. His track record included work at Brooklyn College, Yale and Columbia Universities, and finally, since 1968, he worked at Stanford.

Among his scientific interests, a special place was occupied by questions of the manifestation of cruelty by ordinary people. For example, when yesterday's teacher or village doctor becomes bloody overseers in a death camp. Zimbardo was definitely trying to complete the Gilbert-Kelle case and finally find out what the secret of the "Nazi virus" is.


Philip Zimbardo. Source: newscientist.com

For his famous Stanford Prison Experiment, Zimbardo recruited 24 healthy and mentally resilient male student volunteers, whom he randomly divided into three groups.

In the first group, nine guys were identified as "prisoners", in the second there were nine "guards" and six more reserve ones in case someone's nerves or health could not stand it.

In the basement of the psychology department of Stanford University, a makeshift prison with cells and bars was prepared in advance. For added credibility, real police officers from Palo Alto were involved in the "detention" of the alleged prisoners. They took their fingerprints from the students, gave them prison uniforms with individual numbers, and even put them in chains.

As Zimbardo himself argued, this was done not with the aim of limiting movements, but for a full entry into the role of a prisoner. The organizer of the experiment did not dare to shave the prisoners bald, but only put a nylon stocking on everyone's head. In accordance with the plan of the experiment, nine "prisoners" were placed in three cells, equipped with only mattresses on the floor. There were no windows for natural light in the cells in the basement.




Stanford Prison Experiment. Source: medium.com

The "guards" were equipped with protective uniforms, sunglasses with mirrored lenses to avoid eye contact with the "victims", and rubber truncheons. Zimbardo has banned the use of truncheons and, in general, the use of physical violence against alleged prisoners.

At the same time, it was strictly forbidden to address people behind bars by their names - only by individual numbers. The "jailers" could only be addressed as "Mr. Prison Officer."

Here the author of the experiment tried to reproduce the conditions of dehumanization of the human personality in the Nazi death camps and the Japanese "Unit 731". If the German overseers distinguished the prisoners by the numbers on the tattoos, then the Japanese generally called their victims simply logs.

According to the rules for nine inmates, at least three guards had to be present in the university prison, the rest of Zimbardo let go home until the next shift of duty.

Each shift lasted the standard eight hours.

By the way, each participant in the experiment (both the "prisoner" and the "jailer") was entitled to $ 15 for two weeks.

Philip Zimbardo himself played the role of the warden, and his colleague David Jeffrey took over the position of the chief prison overseer.

The entire experiment was videotaped, and Zimbardo conducted daily conversations, written tests and interviews with the participants.

In the event of an aggravation of the situation, the "jailers" could call for help from the reserve group.

The first emergency happened on the second day of the study.

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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 05: 01
    +2
    Yes, they just didn’t come up with something to justify the "exclusivity of victims" of the Jews. At the same time, for some reason, the emphasis was placed on Western Jews, and the main victims were among the Eastern and Soviet, which does not prevent Israel, the United States and others from rubbing shoulders with ukropribaltonatsik .. But even without experiments, it is clear that if people are considered not equal to themselves, or even completely not people until the atrocities half a step remains. Nazism as the highest phase of imperialism, which means capitalism, showed it in all its bloody "glory".
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 16 March 2021 06: 47
      +8
      Philip Zimbardo, after the experiment, wrote a book, which I read very carefully with notes in the margins. I have it in my home library.
      By the way, the experiment of Philip Zimbardo then had to be terminated ahead of schedule at the categorical insistence of his bride, who was also engaged in scientific research. Since this psychological experiment of Philip Zimbardo in practice became too realistic - i.e. began to actually lead to a mental change in the personalities of the participants in the experiment.

      Zimbardo F. The Lucifer Effect: Why Good People Turn into Villains / Philip Zimbardo; translation from English: [Anna Stativka, Maria Desyatova]. - 6th ed. - Moscow: Alpina non-fiction, 2019 .-- 767 p. : ill., tab. ; 22 cm .. - Bibliography: p. 30-34. - Bibliography. in note: p. 709-751 and interlinear. note .. - Item-names. decree .: p. 753-767. - Dr. book author: p. 752
      1. bk316
        bk316 16 March 2021 13: 29
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        Yes, I read it too. And everything is clear about anti-Semitism. This is a social phenomenon and it is difficult to find a virus or any other personality deviations among anti-Semites.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 16 March 2021 09: 38
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      Yes, they just didn’t come up with something to justify the "exclusivity of victims" of the Jews. At the same time, for some reason, the emphasis was placed on Western Jews, and the main victims were among the Eastern and Soviet, which does not prevent Israel, the United States and others from rubbing shoulders with the Ukropribaltonians.
      .
      Speech of the President of Israel in the Rada
      "About 1,5 million Jews were killed on the territory of modern Ukraine during World War II in Babi Yar and many other places ... Many accomplices of the crime were Ukrainians. And among them, the OUN fighters (OUN - UPA - ed.) Stood out, who mocked over Jews, killed them, in many cases gave them to the Germans ... ",
      Link: https://ria.ru/20160927/1477986885.html
      Everyone knows very well that most of those killed in the Holocaust were from Poland and the USSR. As for Ukraine, is the Nazi party legal for them? Legal in Syria, Israel is at war with her laughing
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 10: 08
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Speech of the President of Israel in the Rada
        "About 1,5 million Jews were killed on the territory of modern Ukraine during World War II in Babi Yar and many other places ... Many accomplices of the crime were Ukrainians. And among them, the OUN fighters (OUN - UPA - ed.) Stood out, who mocked over Jews, killed them, in many cases gave them to the Germans ... "

        Yeah, they shook their finger and calmed down ...

        Quote: Krasnodar
        As for Ukraine, is the Nazi party legal for them? Legal in Syria, Israel is at war with her
        Of course, the Nazi party is such that it has no strength:
        The SSNP concept of a secular Syrian nation, consisting of nationalities and religious communities equal in rights, allows satisfying the requirements of various parts of society and preserving a single state, "Nikolai Sukhov, senior researcher at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, an expert of the Valdai Club "
        .

        But "Soboda" is not, not a Nazi, by no means:
        According to a number of Western politicians and the media, the party is neo-Nazi [24] [96] [97].
        According to the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, the party is fascist [98] [99], and the name Social-National Party of Ukraine was chosen in association with the National Socialist Party of Germany (NSDAP) [99].
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 16 March 2021 10: 20
          -1
          Yeah, they shook their finger and calmed down

          Have we broken off diplomatic relations with Ukraine? laughing
          Of course, the Nazi party is such that it has no strength:

          SSNP is the second largest in Syria, after Baath. Their seats in parliament, their battle battalions - "Eagles of the Whirlwind"
          Reference:
          https://www.google.ru/amp/s/m.lenta.ru/articles/2017/03/20/syrian_ns/amp/
          The SSNP concept of a secular Syrian nation, consisting of nationalities and religious communities equal in rights, allows satisfying the requirements of various parts of society and preserving a single state, "Nikolai Sukhov, senior researcher at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, an expert of the Valdai Club "

          The NSDAP also at one time made it possible to satisfy the requirements of various parts of society, without bothering with religion. SSNP also wants Lebanon, Palestinian Authority, Kuwait, Israel, Cyprus, a piece of Turkey and Iraq. Whoever is not destroyed will be equal. And the symbolism, and the anthem, and the slogan of Syria is above all fellow
          But "Soboda" no, not Nazis, by no means

          So when do we declare war on Ukraine? laughing
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 10: 39
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            Have we broken off diplomatic relations with Ukraine?

            It is clear that with whom the Nazis broke off relations. Who the Jews do not like, those are the Nazis. Until the mid 80s. The USSR did not maintain diplomatic relations with Israel, which of them were the Nazis?

            Quote: Krasnodar
            SSNP is the second largest in Syria, after Baath. Their seats in parliament, their battle battalions - "Eagles of the Whirlwind"
            Well, undoubtedly, since the second is the Natsik automatically, and in the Russian Federation, for example, the second party after the United Russia Party is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, also Natsik by this logic?

            Quote: Krasnodar
            The NSDAP also at one time made it possible to satisfy the requirements of various parts of society, without bothering with religion.
            But with nationalities, the situation was so-so, open your eyes:
            Quote: Krasnodar
            SSNP's concept of a secular Syrian nation consisting of equal in rights of nationalities and religious communities, allows you to meet the requirements of various parts of society and preserve a single state "


            Quote: Krasnodar
            So when do we declare war on Ukraine?
            It looks like Ukraine sliding into Nazism does not give a damn whether there will be a war there or not. Secular Syria is definitely worse.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 16 March 2021 11: 09
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              It is clear that with whom the Nazis broke off relations. Who the Jews do not like, those are the Nazis. Until the mid 80s. The USSR did not maintain diplomatic relations with Israel, which of them were Nazis

              Israel did not break off relations with Syria - she declared war on him in 1948, attacked in a group of other Arab countries, it was repeated in 1967 - but the USSR did not like the defeat of Syria this time fellow Primakov wrote that there was no choice - otherwise the prestige of the Union would have fallen in the eyes of Arab friends))
              Well, undoubtedly, since the second is the Natsik automatically, and in the Russian Federation, for example, the second party after the United Russia Party is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, also Natsik by this logic?

              It is precisely that in the Russian Federation the second party is communist, and in Syria it is Nazi! Explain the difference between national and class struggle to you?
              [But with nationalities, the situation was so-so, open your eyes

              Heh. All Aryan nationalities and even Arabs were in favor - read on VO about the Bosnian SS-tsev.
              All "Syrian" nationalities are in favor of the SSNP - isn't it the same? ))
              It looks like Ukraine sliding into Nazism does not give a damn if there will be a war there or not. Secular Syria is definitely worse

              The Sloboda party existed even under Yanukovych, and Russia had peace, friendship, chewing gum with Ukraine, while the “Slobodans” had their places in the Rada.
              Secular Syria doesn't give a damn, Nazi Germany was also Secular)). You just don’t have to la-la about Ukrainian Nazism - Syrian doesn’t really bother anyone
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 11: 18
                +4
                Quote: Krasnodar
                You just don’t have to la-la about Ukrainian Nazism - Syrian doesn’t really bother anyone
                Well, what then did they drag Syria to?


                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Yes, they just didn’t come up with something to justify the "exclusivity of victims" of the Jews.

                The Stanford Prison Experiment: How Americans Tried to Explain the Holocaust
                Are there any objections to this?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 16 March 2021 11: 25
                  -2
                  Well, what then did they drag Syria to?

                  To the fact that it is impossible to turn a blind eye to one Nazism, condemning the other fellow
                  Yes, they just didn’t come up with something to justify the "exclusivity of victims" of the Jews.

                  And what did they "invent?" lol
                  The Stanford Prison Experiment: How Americans Tried to Explain the Holocaust

                  Well, this is really interesting - what motivates a person who, after a signal from the authorities, is spreading rot on his neighbor, with whom he was in friendly-neutral relations yesterday ... request
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 11: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Well, what then did they drag Syria to?
                    To the fact that it is impossible to turn a blind eye to one Nazism, condemning the other
                    Yes, it is already enough that neither Israel, nor the United States and "others" maintain relations with Syria, so that it would become clear that there is no Nazism, except for ISIS, and does not smell.

                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    And what did they "invent?" lol
                    The Stanford Prison Experiment: How Americans Tried to Explain the Holocaust
                    Yeah, cruelty towards the Jews was dragged along, and not in general, to the victims of Nazism, is that more understandable? There were no other victims besides Jews, even in the Stanford experiment so it is said.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 16 March 2021 12: 01
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                      Yes, it is already enough that neither Israel, nor the United States and "others" maintain relations with Syria, so that it would become clear that there is no Nazism, except for ISIS, and does not smell.

                      Yes, except for the second largest legal party in the country, which is Nazi, well, it doesn't smell lol
                      Yeah, cruelty towards the Jews was dragged along, and not in general, to the victims of Nazism, is that more understandable?

                      Probably because it was the Jews who were the most integrated into German society in the 30s. people - culturally, professionally and financially.
                      There were no other victims besides Jews, even in the Stanford experiment so it is said.

                      Where exactly is it said?
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 16 March 2021 10: 29
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        “About 1,5 million Jews were killed on the territory of modern Ukraine during World War II in Babi Yar and many other places ... Many accomplices of the crime were Ukrainians.

        Lithuanian Nazis far outstripped their Ukrainian counterparts - 206 thousand Jews were killed there.
        Quote: Krasnodar
        As for Ukraine, is the Nazi party legal for them?

        the chain OUN-UNA-UNSO-Right Sector has not been canceled or denied .. And the Right Sector is an officially registered organization.
        of the latest non-Nazi actions at the ruin-stadium named after Shukhevych.

        And the ambassador of Israel, who was outraged by this, was simply sent there ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 16 March 2021 10: 37
          -3
          But he was indignant))
          And Sloboda was still a parliamentary party under Yanukovych laughing
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 16 March 2021 11: 10
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            But he was indignant))

            his sent-and was no longer indignant yes
            Quote: Krasnodar
            And Sloboda was still a parliamentary party under Yanukovych

            and you said that there is no Nazi party, but it is. Dissonance?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 16 March 2021 11: 21
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              he was sent - and no longer resented

              I had to break off diplomatic relations - I agree good lol
              and you said that there is no Nazi party, but it is. Dissonance?

              I agree - I was wrong. Another reason to break off diplomatic relations with Ukraine good It should have been done back in the days of Yanuovich lol
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 16 March 2021 11: 31
                -2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                I had to break off diplomatic relations - I agree

                nope, simple enough wipe off) yes
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Another reason to break off diplomatic relations with Ukraine

                This is a reason to wipe yourself off one more time. yes
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 16 March 2021 11: 49
                  -3
                  Well, if you wipe off, it means - enough lol
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 16 March 2021 12: 01
                    -1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Well, if you wipe off, it means - enough

                    I am not the ambassador of Israel to whom the Nazis spat and he ... wiped himself off. hi
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 16 March 2021 12: 03
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                      Quite right - you are a representative of the Russian people, who does not require your country to break off diplomatic relations with Ukraine due to the presence of Nazi memory in its parliament, moreover, since the time of Yanukovych good
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 16 March 2021 15: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Quite right. You representative Russian people

                        belay lol
                        I am not an ambassador of the Russian people or any other.

                        The representative of the people is precisely the ambassador of Israel, whom the Nazis spat and wiped himself off, and after that you do not demand that your country break off diplomatic relations with Ukraine due to the presence of Nazi memory in its parliament, moreover, since the time of Yanukovych request
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 March 2021 19: 28
                        -3
                        He is a representative of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, not the people. laughing And foreign affairs in everything that does not concern the security and financial well-being of the country, the Israelis give a damn about it.
                        And you are a Russian person. One of the people. So to speak, the bearer of Russian identification in the Near Abroad, the guardian of Russia on the Western borders of the historical Russian Empire. And you look with indifference from the West at the lewdness that is happening in the former republic of the USSR. Well, shame on you repeat
  2. Richard
    Richard 16 March 2021 11: 38
    +2
    Julius Streicher was:

    Streicher, in general, was a very amusing prisoner. None of the accused wanted to talk to him, eat together, or even sit next to him at the hearings of the trial. A renegade among outcasts, totally obsessed with hatred of Jews

    As a Gauleiter of Franconia in Hitler's Germany, Streicher ruled Nuremberg, which, however, did not prevent him, the only one of the accused, from already visiting the Nuremberg Hall of Justice before the trial on November 20, 1945, as an accused. Then he was accused of molesting a minor, but he was acquitted
  • Far B
    Far B 16 March 2021 05: 07
    +9
    How can you explain the emergence of monstrous organizations like the SS and Unit 731?
    Well, the enlightened public is so ... a giraffe: the neck is long, the thread is fine - until it comes ... Before, like, nothing like this existed? KKK - cute, disguised? Yes, let them to the real power - and the Khan of the blacks of the "African American" system. Yes, damn it, if you look, the US state itself is one huge organization for the mass destruction of Indians. How is the American elite with mental health? Something suggests that both at that time and now there are obvious deviations (albeit in different directions, but very serious).
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 16 March 2021 05: 13
    +8
    The leaders of the Einsatz groups were also highly educated nonhumans.
    Einsatzkommando Austria: SS Standartenführer Prof. Dr. Franz Six
    Einsatzkommando 1 / I: SS Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Ludwig Hahn
    Einsatzkommando 2 / I: SS Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Bruno Müller
    Einsatzkommando 3 / I: SS Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Alfred Hasselberg
    Einsatzkommando 4 / I: SS Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Karl Brunner

    Einsatzkommando 1 / V: SS Sturmbannfuehrer and Government Adviser Dr. Heinz Grefe
    Einsatzkommando 2 / V: SS Sturmbannfuehrer and Government Adviser Dr. Robert Schefe
    Einsatzkommando 3 / V: SS Sturmbannfuehrer and government adviser Dr. Walter Albat, etc.
    From the wiki ...

    Doctors ... professors what

    As we can see, education and high intelligence are not an obstacle to committing heinous crimes ... rather, on the contrary ... crimes are becoming more large-scale, sophisticated and inhuman.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 March 2021 05: 33
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      As you can see, education and high intelligence are not an obstacle to committing heinous crimes.... rather the opposite ... crimes are becoming more widespread, sophisticated and inhuman.

      Who are you telling this to? We have already become convinced that not only for the commission of sophisticated and monstrous crimes, but also for their further justification, education and a resourceful mind are just suitable, which does not exclude the absence of such in the direct perpetrators.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 16 March 2021 06: 42
      +7
      This is a matter of the environment itself, of the psychological state. I served in 210 separate commandant platoon 419 of the commandant's office of the Balabanovo garrison. The service consisted in bearing the guard in the guardhouse, working with the arrested. In general, the service was difficult psychologically. Anything happened there. After demobilization, six months later, I learned that an arrested man had been killed there.
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 March 2021 09: 14
      +4
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      As you can see, education and high intelligence are not an obstacle to committing heinous crimes ... rather, on the contrary

      Holy simplicity laughing The most brutal experimenters in modern history have always been the highbrow intellectuals.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 16 March 2021 11: 10
        +2
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        The most brutal experimenters in modern history have always been the highbrow intellectuals.

        Oh yeah...
        And I would also note a direct relationship - the smarter the criminal, the more dangerous and large-scale his crimes, the more sophisticated methods, and the more deplorable results for those around him. But even this is not the main thing. The criminal activity of intellectuals is only the tip of the iceberg. Take a look around: science, art, culture - in all branches of human activity, "highbrow intellectuals" have seized key positions and dictate their terms. Don't you think that we are faced with a flagrant act of genocide of the world's population on the basis of intelligence?
        But seriously, there is nothing you can do about it: this is the fate of highbrow intellectuals - they do everything better, better quality, bigger, or something, than people of an average mind. Everything, including various atrocities.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 16 March 2021 06: 05
    +5
    We didn't understand the meaning of the article wink It is about a very funny experiment, which has far-reaching consequences - it is on it that all current US propaganda is based. The emphasis is on dehumanizing the enemy, and the effectiveness of such a move was tested in this experiment. So all the "quilted jackets", "kremlebots" and "coloradas" are never an invention of the Maidan, but a manual. Quite thoughtfully developed and well-founded methodology. On the one hand, the fighters are brave, but with the other they are driven in at the subconscious level - this is not an opponent. Not a human at all. This is a bot and a quilted jacket.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 16 March 2021 07: 06
      +10
      Quote: Cowbra
      We didn't understand the meaning of the article wink It is about a very funny experiment, which has far-reaching consequences - it is on it that all current US propaganda is based. The emphasis is on dehumanizing the enemy, and the effectiveness of such a move was tested in this experiment. So all the "quilted jackets", "kremlebots" and "coloradas" are never an invention of the Maidan, but a manual. Quite thoughtfully developed and well-founded methodology. On the one hand, the fighters are brave, but with the other they are driven in at the subconscious level - this is not an opponent. Not a human at all. This is a bot and a quilted jacket.

      All this is 100% applicable to the policy of the Russian media towards Ukrainians: a boy was crucified, a dirty bomb is being prepared, slave owners, etc. As a result, half of the site justifies any methods of destroying Ukraine, because khokh.ly are not people. As commentators wrote on VO more than once: "everything can be expected from them."
      PS. Demonization of the enemy to justify their crimes was invented in ancient times. But with the advent of the media, this method sparkled with new colors.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 07: 17
        +2
        Quote: Normal ok
        As a result, half of the site justifies any methods of destroying Ukraine, because khokh.ly are not people
        You yourself denied your lies, non-state is not the same as non-people, we are against non-state with Nazis at the head, and not against the inhabitants of VNAU - people as people are not without cockroaches, however, like all of us.
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 16 March 2021 07: 48
          +7
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Normal ok
          As a result, half of the site justifies any methods of destroying Ukraine, because khokh.ly are not people
          You yourself denied your lies, non-state is not the same as non-people, we are against non-state with Nazis at the head, and not against the inhabitants of VNAU - people as people are not without cockroaches, however, like all of us.

          It is enough to read the comments on Ukrainian topics at least one day in advance to see how the commentators characterize the Ukrainians: traitors, cowards, thieves, prostitutes, stupid / cunning (at the same time)).
          So that it is you lied. Too lazy to search, but I am sure that I saw similar characteristics in your comments.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 08: 10
            +2
            Quote: Normal ok
            commentators characterize Ukrainians: traitors, cowards, thieves, prostitutes, stupid / cunning (at the same time)
            It's only about the leadership, well, and also about the Banderstadt, there is no need to talk about it.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 16 March 2021 13: 45
              -6
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Quote: Normal ok
              commentators characterize Ukrainians: traitors, cowards, thieves, prostitutes, stupid / cunning (at the same time)
              It's only about the leadership, well, and also about the Banderstadt, there is no need to talk about it.

              Interestingly, I did not give any disadvantages to anyone (deprived of such an opportunity)). So, the assessments for all the participants in the dialogue are not mine.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 16 March 2021 16: 20
                +1
                Quote: Normal ok
                So, the assessments for all the participants in the dialogue are not mine.

                So here and from abroad russophobes throw, do not know what?
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 16 March 2021 07: 30
        +3
        smile
        All this is 100% applicable to the policy of the Russian media towards Ukrainians: a boy was crucified, a dirty bomb is being prepared, slave owners, etc. As a result, half of the site justifies any methods of destroying Ukraine,

        In the words of politicians in Brussels ... this is different.
        What about demonizing Russians in international sports?
        WADA demonized the athletes of Russia so much that they hung all the dogs on them and nothing ... the world believes that this is normal, that it should be so.
        Although Norwegians asthmatics eat tons of legalized doping and no one pays attention to this.
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 16 March 2021 07: 44
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          smile
          All this is 100% applicable to the policy of the Russian media towards Ukrainians: a boy was crucified, a dirty bomb is being prepared, slave owners, etc. As a result, half of the site justifies any methods of destroying Ukraine,

          In the words of politicians in Brussels ... this is different.
          What about demonizing Russians in international sports?
          WADA demonized the athletes of Russia so much that they hung all the dogs on them and nothing ... the world believes that this is normal, that it should be so.
          Although Norwegians asthmatics eat tons of legalized doping and no one pays attention to this.

          What does Ukraine have to do with it?
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 16 March 2021 07: 58
            +1
            What does Ukraine have to do with it?

            smile ... in war as in war ... and the war is informational ... in full swing with all the attributes of full-fledged battles in virtual space, and Ukraine is one of our opponents in this war. hi
            Whether you want it or not, the enemy has to answer, so that he does not at all stumble us with his trousers.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 16 March 2021 13: 47
              -2
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              What does Ukraine have to do with it?

              smile ... in war as in war ... and the war is informational ... in full swing with all the attributes of full-fledged battles in virtual space, and Ukraine is one of our opponents in this war. hi
              Whether you want it or not, the enemy has to answer, so that he does not at all stumble us with his trousers.

              Well said. It's true. To this I am leading that here (on the site) we could conduct a dialogue without ideological clichés. Damn, once it was possible on VO.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 March 2021 09: 48
            +1
            Quote: Normal ok
            What does Ukraine have to do with it?

            Ukraine is always with everything laughing I don’t visit culinary sites, but I’m sure that some "Lyokha from the galley", offering a recipe for lard in chocolate, scolds the damned Bandera supporters.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 17 March 2021 14: 22
              +3
              There is no need to be mischievous, there is simply a response from Russia. On the other hand, have you heard at least one piece of news (from the west) about Ukraine outside the context of Russia? Not. The answer is simple - no one needs Ukraine without being tied to Russia. So rejoice, If Russia forgets about Ukraine, the last will be kirdyk.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 17 March 2021 14: 28
                +2
                Quote: Okolotochny
                No need to make jokes

                and why, actually?
                Quote: Okolotochny
                on the part of Russia, there is simply a response.

                what has it to do with, fuck, some kind of otvetka from Russia, if an article about a funny state experiment half a century ago?
                Quote: Okolotochny
                So rejoice

                by all means.
        2. Gvardeetz77
          Gvardeetz77 16 March 2021 09: 34
          +2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          What about demonizing Russians in international sports?
          WADA demonized the athletes of Russia so much that they hung all the dogs on them and nothing ... the world believes that this is normal, that it should be so.
          Although Norwegians asthmatics eat tons of legalized doping and no one pays attention to this.


          How about being responsible for your actions, rather than bleaching yourself by shifting the arrows to others? According to you, the protection of the Nazis could have been worth that "some Tumbu-Yumbu tribes devour their captive enemies, judge them that you have got to the bottom of us, the poor Aryans, demonize us."
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 16 March 2021 10: 46
        +6
        Quote: Normal ok
        crucified a boy, preparing a dirty bomb, slave owners, etc.

        and how many crucified / andthey knew girls and boys in the basements of the National Battalions, which was established even by the so-called. decoration, don't you want to remember?

        А burned alive, by your uncondemned Nazis, Odessa residents, too, an invention of Russian propaganda?

        А Alley of Angels where those killed by your Nazis are buried one and a half hundred CHILDREN-doesn't exist too? Etc.

        And no more invention is needed to "dehumanize" - all of yours have already been completed

        As for the propaganda, all the top leadership of Russia has officially declared more than once that Russians and Ukrainians are ONE people, clearly and clearly.

        Quote: Normal ok
        and policy of Russian media regarding Ukrainians:
        Demonization adversary to justify своих crimes invented in antiquity

        And what crime made by Russia-do not play and speak directly already, once you started?
      4. bk316
        bk316 16 March 2021 13: 42
        +7
        All this is 100% applicable to the policy of the Russian media.

        Confusing God's gift with scrambled eggs.
        The media policy is directed against the hostile state of the Russian Federation. This is pre-war propaganda. Or is 404 not hostile to the Russian Federation? Or should we turn our cheek and wait for the Nazis to hit it?

        Regarding the Ukrainian people, our government does not say anything bad at all, on the contrary, it has repeatedly stated that the people are not to blame.

        And a statement about VO
        methods of destroying Ukraine, because khokh.ly are not people.
        - Lying.
        Not Ukrainians, but Ukrainians rule nonhumans and therefore this state does not deserve the right to exist. You feel NOT THE PEOPLE - THE STATE. Complete analogy with Nazi Germany.

        Regarding my opinion, yes, there are many unpleasant properties of the Ukrainian mentality, but I think that there is no Ukrainian people at all - they are part of the Russian people. Therefore, this is not about them, it is about us. Why should we shut up and be silent to ourselves? Mister Peter WILL NOT GET OUT. Actually, while this part of the Russian people does not recognize themselves as Russians OR DOES NOT RAPE to become a separate people, Ukraine is a fail state, and what path they will take their case. But for example, up to this point, there is simply no one to unite with and it is simply stupid to treat which state as a full-fledged one.
      5. Motorist
        Motorist 18 March 2021 00: 05
        0
        Quote: Normal ok
        All this is 100% applicable to the policy of the Russian media towards Ukrainians: a boy was crucified, a dirty bomb is being prepared, slave owners, etc.

        It seems to me that you exaggerate the colors - consciously or not. For the boy: it was a direct speech by the interviewee; and there is no evidence of her "lies", by the way. For the rest I did not hear at all. Maybe I'm just poorly informed ... request
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 March 2021 16: 23
      +3
      ....... state propaganda .....

      It’s probably better to say that this is a technology, a propaganda tool.
      It is already being used in our country.
      Dehumanization also occurs. In the media, TV, literature, cinema ...
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 16 March 2021 16: 27
        +1
        I read the entire thread, I'm not talking about Ukrainians. I am about the USSR, about our past ...
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra 16 March 2021 16: 34
        +6
        Have you ever heard the word "dill" from Russian officials? With "quilted jackets" and "coloradas" from Rada deputies and officials, it is easy to find a carriage. "There are no people in Mariupol, there are only quilted jackets, so the election results must be canceled" - Farion. I repeat - official state propaganda. I repeat. purposeful dehumanization, consciously, at the state level. Do you understand the difference?
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 16 March 2021 18: 31
          +5
          Yes, I knew this before, since 2014, since the separation took place in a family of acquaintances. Apparently, about Donbass --- dehumanization began before 2014 .....
  • ee2100
    ee2100 16 March 2021 06: 49
    +3
    I did not understand the author's intentions in one article to bring together the fascist criminals convicted by the Nuremberg trebunal and the Stanford experiment.
    It looks like an excuse for fascism.
    One of the conclusions, after the experiment, is that the situation influences human behavior more than the internal personality traits.
    And this means that the fascist ideology has nothing to do with it, so the situation has developed!
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 16 March 2021 07: 00
      +1
      And it is very difficult to divide external influences and human qualities into components.
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 16 March 2021 07: 54
      +3
      The situation definitely affects. But the people who organized that situation are definitely guilty. The law of the herd. By the way, 3 supervisors from the experiment are definitely already a herd.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 17 March 2021 14: 28
        +2
        B ... itie determines consciousness?))
    3. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 16 March 2021 11: 37
      +5
      Quote: ee2100
      One of the conclusions, after the experiment, is that the situation influences human behavior more than the internal personality traits.

      Exactly. Having created a certain situation, any of us can be turned into a non-human. Regardless of nationality, level of education and intellectual development. Only a set of basic moral values ​​formed by the family, social circle, society as a whole can have a certain value in this matter. However, for most people, these attitudes are easily overcome and in a certain situation they very quickly turn into animals.
      Quote: ee2100
      It looks like an excuse for fascism.

      I personally don't see any justification for Nazi atrocities. Only an explanation of their mass character.
      For me, those who created the conditions for the transformation of people into monsters are criminals, but also those who in these conditions became a monster - too. Maybe to a lesser extent, but also criminals who must be punished commensurate with the crimes committed.
      Quote: ee2100
      And this means that the fascist ideology has nothing to do with

      Exactly the opposite. This just means that it was precisely the ideology, deliberately formed and implanted by certain persons in a certain state, that turned people into criminals, thanks to her
      Quote: ee2100
      this is how the situation is

      hi
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 16 March 2021 12: 10
        +1
        If you noticed, I wrote all this in the spirit of the fact that the author impoverished in one article both the Nuremberg trials and the Stanford experiment.
        If you take everything separately, as you wrote, then no one argues with this.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 16 March 2021 13: 18
          +2
          As I understand it, the article mentions the Nuremberg trial exclusively in the context of studying the personalities of the defendants by psychiatrists and the results they obtained in the framework of resolving the question "where do nonhumans come from". And the connection between Nuremberg and Stanford is solely in the fact that in Nuremberg this question was formulated, and at Stanford they at least partially answered it. Namely: bloody ghouls are not born, they become, and easily and quickly.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 16 March 2021 15: 34
            +2
            It's like in the first part of the article to tell about a cruel rapist and murderer, and in the second to explain that sex, as a sexual need, is inherent in nature and is very physiological.
            You cannot mix, in my opinion, such topics in place.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 16 March 2021 16: 46
              +2
              Not certainly in that way.
              Rather, if we use your analogy, in the first part they unsuccessfully tried to find the reason for the rapist's deviations solely in his biological nature, and in the second they substantiated the social origin of these deviations.
              The truth, as usual, is probably somewhere in between. A relatively closed group of like-minded people, formed according to certain criteria (one of which was the radical nationalism of the fascist persuasion) and stewed for a long time in their own cauldron, influencing each other and convincing themselves and those around them that they were right, reached power and in one way or another spread their signs to a huge number of people, turning them into some semblance of themselves. One of the methods by which this was done was demonstrated to us by the Stanford experiment.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 16 March 2021 16: 54
                -1
                The Nuremberg trial did not try to find the cause of the emergence of fascism in Germany, it determined the degree of guilt and recorded it and passed punishment
                The court is not particularly interested in why this person became a maniac. The court fixes the crime and determines the punishment.
                I'm just talking about that.
                You perfectly understand what I mean.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 16 March 2021 17: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: ee2100
                  You perfectly understand what I mean.

                  Apparently not quite.
                  There was nothing in the article about the process itself as a legal action.
                  That is, about how he
                  Quote: ee2100
                  determined the degree of guilt and recorded it and passed punishment
                  there was not a word. The topic of the article is completely different, as far as I can see it.
                  He (the trial) was mentioned only because it was during its passage that medical examinations of the defendants were carried out.
                  The main message of the article, it seems to me, is that fascists can be made from anyone, and from the majority - quickly and with a guarantee. In order to become a bloody maniac and take part in massacres, it is not necessary to be born a German (Latvian, Estonian, Ukrainian, Russian), psycho or imbecile, it is enough to be in certain conditions, which, by the way, can be created artificially.
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 16 March 2021 18: 04
                    +2
                    Will not come up for a dispute. Let's stay with our opinion
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 17 March 2021 10: 11
              0
              .... do not mix ...
              Yes, you can't. Nevertheless, this happens, not only in the article, but in real life.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 17 March 2021 10: 07
            +1
            ...... bloody ghouls are not born, they become ......
            hi totally agree, as with the ideology above.
            Turning to today. A guilt complex is being instilled for our country and the population. Repentance is implanted. What will the young generation of today be like? And what is the next. These are different sides of the coin.
            Today the dehumanization of the USSR, its history, even the Victory in the Second World War is taking place .. But Victory unites all of Russia.
            Pss. read the branch, thought out my thoughts
  • apro
    apro 16 March 2021 07: 14
    0
    The study of a person in extreme situations leads to paradoxical results .... and the question arises ??? is it a human being ???
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 16 March 2021 07: 53
      0
      Quote: apro
      The study of a person in extreme situations leads to paradoxical results .... and the question arises ??? is it a human being ???

      Christianity gives the following answer to this: a person in his current state is potentially angry. Various extreme situations only allow this evil to manifest itself.
      1. apro
        apro 16 March 2021 07: 55
        +5
        Quote: Normal ok
        Christianity gives the following answer to this: a person in his current state is potentially angry.

        And we must constantly repent ... and bring it to the temple.
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 16 March 2021 13: 53
          0
          Quote: apro
          Quote: Normal ok
          Christianity gives the following answer to this: a person in his current state is potentially angry.

          And we must constantly repent ... and bring it to the temple.

          Don't exaggerate. For those who analyze their actions, internal repentance / change is enough. And, there are priests who say so. But, unfortunately, there is a majority who parasitize on feelings of guilt. Here I agree with you.
          1. apro
            apro 16 March 2021 13: 59
            +1
            Quote: Normal ok
            Do not exaggerate.

            Unfortunately, this is a common practice. Believers do not need intermediaries between him and God.
    2. Hantengri
      Hantengri 16 March 2021 10: 29
      +6
      Quote: apro
      The study of a person in extreme situations leads to paradoxical results ...

      And what, in fact, is the paradox? Is it that in an extreme situation, from the primate of the species Homo sapiens, a thin raid of civilization flies off and an intelligent monkey sitting inside is exposed? Considering that out of roughly 200 years of existence of the modern version of man, he is "civilized", at least in some part of the population, for about 000 years, then this metamorphosis is not at all surprising.
      Quote: apro
      and the question arises ??? is it a human being ???

      Undoubtedly a man, only in his other hypostasis. Without a mask, so to speak, and a friendly interface.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 16 March 2021 13: 54
        0
        Quote: HanTengri
        Quote: apro
        The study of a person in extreme situations leads to paradoxical results ...

        And what, in fact, is the paradox? Is it that in an extreme situation, from the primate of the species Homo sapiens, a thin raid of civilization flies off and an intelligent monkey sitting inside is exposed? Considering that out of roughly 200 years of existence of the modern version of man, he is "civilized", at least in some part of the population, for about 000 years, then this metamorphosis is not at all surprising.
        Quote: apro
        and the question arises ??? is it a human being ???

        Undoubtedly a man, only in his other hypostasis. Without a mask, so to speak, and a friendly interface.

        I can’t give marks, so I’ll just say “to the point”.
      2. apro
        apro 16 March 2021 14: 55
        -2
        Quote: HanTengri
        And what, in fact, is the paradox? Is it that in an extreme situation, from the primate of the species Homo sapiens, a thin raid of civilization flies off and an intelligent monkey sitting inside is exposed?

        Some should be treated in this way not from the standpoint of human rights, but as an animal, even not always in extreme cases.
  • edelweiss968
    edelweiss968 16 March 2021 08: 52
    -5
    Normal ok (Peter)

    It is enough to read the comments on Ukrainian topics at least one day in advance to see how the commentators characterize the Ukrainians: traitors, cowards, thieves, prostitutes, stupid / cunning (at the same time)).

    that is, you want to declare that these categories do not exist, and they are holier than the pope from Rome?
    Half of the prostitutes in Moscow are Ukrainian citizens. This was reported to the "Russian News Service" by the senior inspector of public order of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Moscow, Police Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Ivanov. Https://www.politforums.net/internal/1456582882.html
    1. Gvardeetz77
      Gvardeetz77 16 March 2021 09: 25
      +4
      Quote: edelweiss968
      Normal ok (Peter)

      It is enough to read the comments on Ukrainian topics at least one day in advance to see how the commentators characterize the Ukrainians: traitors, cowards, thieves, prostitutes, stupid / cunning (at the same time)).

      that is, you want to declare that these categories do not exist, and they are holier than the pope from Rome?
      Half of the prostitutes in Moscow are Ukrainian citizens. This was reported to the "Russian News Service" by the senior inspector of public order of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Moscow, Police Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Ivanov. Https://www.politforums.net/internal/1456582882.html


      You once again confirm the words "NormalOk", because your words about half of the prostitutes in Moscow are perceived that half of the women in Ukraine are women with low social responsibility.
      By the way, where did the other half come from? I think there are a lot of them there and from the Motherland, and in regional cities and in general 80-90% from the villages of neighboring regions, so what conclusions can you make about the women of Russia?
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 March 2021 10: 05
    +4
    The organizer of the experiment did not dare to shave the prisoners bald, but only put a nylon stocking on everyone's head.

    Role-playing games are, of course, fun, but their value is highly questionable. The artificiality and decorativeness of the circumstances in which the participants were placed allowed the dock to draw far-fetched conclusions about personality transformation and other nonsense in the spirit of Dr. Vibegallo.
    I am more than sure that Doc secretly envied, say, Dr. Vernet, who experimented on homosexuals in Buchenwald.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 16 March 2021 10: 22
      +2
      The Stanford experiment is criticized precisely for the fact that Zimbardo directly (by instructions) and indirectly (implicitly) determined the results. The "guards" behaved as Zimbardo wanted, as they were under his influence. It was the "experimenter effect" that distorted the results.
      On the other hand, the "guards" were students of a university that is consistently in the world top-10, natives of the "upper-class" and therefore behaved with restraint, if in their place were some average bydlo, they could arrange a game without Zimbardo's prompts.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 March 2021 10: 39
        +3
        Duc and would get a job as a prison doctor in a zone somewhere in Kalimantan or Honduras. A funny pulp like Amanda Brown would come out.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 16 March 2021 10: 47
          +4
          It's 1971. Hippies, LSD, all personal troubles are explained by Freud's theory of sexuality.
          We can safely talk about gonzo psychology by analogy with gonzo journalism.
          I don't think Zimbardo pulled on an owl. I just acted in the spirit of the mainstream of that time.
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 16 March 2021 14: 02
        +1
        Quote: Engineer
        The Stanford experiment is criticized precisely for the fact that Zimbardo directly (by instructions) and indirectly (implicitly) determined the results. The "guards" behaved as Zimbardo wanted, as they were under his influence. It was the "experimenter effect" that distorted the results.
        On the other hand, the "guards" were students of a university that is consistently in the world top-10, natives of the "upper-class" and therefore behaved with restraint, if in their place were some average bydlo, they could arrange a game without Zimbardo's prompts.

        I’ll tell you not about a staged experiment, but about the harsh reality. Which I saw personally. When I was a cadet of a military school (80s, USSR), our platoon stood guard on the garrison "lip". So, there were 28 people in the platoon (3 people in total) who gladly used the situation in order to put themselves above the arrested soldiers (they seriously mocked them, there were those who did not mock them, but humiliated them - 4 more people). We, after the second time, the whole team explained to them the "party policy")). But, it was in peacetime. And in times of war, everyone goes berserk. I’ll say right away that I’m not making excuses for the fascists (these people should be hung, they don’t get better ideas), BUT I’ll explain how it happens.
        PS. Then these people became officers, incl. and the Russian army ...
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 16 March 2021 10: 24
    +4
    recourse
    It is a pity that the end of the article is not available for reading. Probably, in the end there will be an analysis and some kind of connection between the Nazi elite and the results of the experiment.

    Concerning questions:
    How did humanity allow the mass destruction of their own kind in the death camps?
    How can you explain the emergence of monstrous organizations like the SS and Unit 731?

    Was there no racial segregation in the United States at the time of the Nuremberg Tribunal?
    Who was the founder of Eugenics? And who adopted the laws in the United States on forced sterilization for the purity of the race (nation)? During the Boer Wars, the British set up camps for the maintenance of the population. Didn't the Protestant preachers during the colonization of the "first states" say that the Indians have no soul, or am I mistaken? Forced resettlement of Indians to limited territories with a ban on leaving them, and many other "measures" taken by the state (USA, England, and other European countries).
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 March 2021 10: 50
      +4
      Quote: Lynx2000
      Concerning questions:

      AND? Well, they grumbled again about the poor Indians and the racists, scolded the staff members - so what? Have you answered at least one question? I can imagine the dialogue between the psychotherapist and the patient:
      - Doctor, I have a problem ...
      - Let's try to find its roots in the Indian genocide in the USA ..
      - Doctor, I live in Uryupinsk ...
      - Silence and listen! So, about the Indians ...
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 16 March 2021 14: 04
        -1
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: Lynx2000
        Concerning questions:

        AND? Well, they grumbled again about the poor Indians and the racists, scolded the staff members - so what? Have you answered at least one question? I can imagine the dialogue between the psychotherapist and the patient:
        - Doctor, I have a problem ...
        - Let's try to find its roots in the Indian genocide in the USA ..
        - Doctor, I live in Uryupinsk ...
        - Silence and listen! So, about the Indians ...

        Bravo.
      2. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 17 March 2021 02: 39
        +2
        And what are the Indians worse than Jews driven into ghettos and concentration camps?
        What is worse than the Slavs, gypsies and other non-Aryans?
        How did the Chinese and Koreans differ from the Japanese?
        What are the questions?
        The world community was looking for answers to the questions indicated at the beginning of the article.
        Maybe Nazism is a consequence of the Western ideology of racial superiority cultivated long before the Second World War.
        As the saying goes: the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition themselves gave birth, they themselves brought up.
        And then: who did it ?! The same is true for Japan.
  • iouris
    iouris 16 March 2021 12: 14
    -2
    They did not "try" to "explain", but created the technology of genocide.
    1. apro
      apro 16 March 2021 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      and created the technology of genocide.

      This is all right. A thousand-year history of genocides. Will provide genocide for every taste. And learning how to transform from a human into a beast is educational.
  • edelweiss968
    edelweiss968 16 March 2021 16: 55
    -2
    Gvardeetz77 (Anatoly)
    Today, 09: 25
    You once again confirm the words "NormalOk", because your words about half of the prostitutes in Moscow are perceived that half of the women in Ukraine are women with low social responsibility.
    By the way, where's the other half?

    and did not try to read and perceive literally? they say helps the objectivity of assessments.
    https://www.obozrevatel.com/news/2009/11/18/333816.htm
    From official data published by the International Organization for Migration, it follows that every 4-th prostitute in Europe is from Ukraine.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 March 2021 19: 12
    +1
    I remember the 90s, when the country was swept by a wave of the wildest, not even banditry, but simply lawlessness. These were not some fans of some wild ideas, but quite ordinary people.
  • Antokha
    Antokha 8 May 2021 15: 43
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    They don't dig there. This is a problem of the soul, not the brain. If you deny the existence of the soul, which is what psychology and psychiatry do, you will never get to the bottom of it. They will forever chase random fluctuations. The maximum that they can - is to track the obvious influence of upbringing and the social stratum of the "maniac", but not all such people become maniacs, so it's a dead end. The fact of the matter is that if the soul is enslaved by dark forces, it does not matter whether you are a teacher or a military man. You let it in, and it started growing in you. Many have it in its infancy. Here, I remember myself as a boy I wanted to hit a kitten. What for? Am I a sadist? I don’t know why, some kind of savagery attacked the weak. And now if you create a dominant group (the simplest one is a crowd), the main property of which is impunity, since "They won't arrest everyone, and they won't figure me out in the crowd," then all this abomination will come out. Jews have nothing to do with it. This is just evil, it must be directed at someone. Participating in active deeds of evil, I only sink more into this evil, and, as a result, it absorbs my soul completely. And he could remain a school teacher and get rid of it in the bud. But what if the very existence of the soul is denied?