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Foreign press: Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters become the best option for Turkey

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Abroad, they are studying a statement by a representative of the Turkish authorities that the country is considering the possibility of acquiring Su-35 and Su-57 fighters from Russia.


The Eurasian Times published an article in which it is said that the program itself to update the fleet of the Turkish Air Force is "in limbo." The fact is that the United States, imposing sanctions against Ankara for the purchase of the S-400 air defense system from Russia, banned the supply of fifth-generation F-35 fighters to the Turkish Air Force. Turkey then turned its attention to variants with the French Dassault Rafale and the British Eurofighter Typhoon.

From the article:

But President Macron is unlikely to approve of the sale of French fighters to Turkey, given the growing Franco-Turkish rivalry. As for the Typhoon fighters, US sanctions made such a sale virtually impossible by the UK. Moreover, the fifth generation TF-X fighter program is in limbo, an agreement on which Ankara and London signed in 5, forming an initial joint capital of $ 2017 million.

In such a situation, the likelihood that Turkey will acquire fighters from Russia is growing. Firstly, fighters surpass their Western counterparts in many respects, secondly, Russian-Turkish cooperation is gaining momentum, and thirdly, the West itself deprives Ankara of the opportunity to buy fighters from it.

Eurasian Times (ET):

It turns out that the Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters are becoming the best option for Turkey.

Additionally, the foreign press notes that the situation is being closely monitored in India. After all, India at one time withdrew from the joint development of a fifth generation fighter with the Russian Federation, and now it understands that it has practically no chances to get the F-35 from the United States. In addition, India also contracted the S-400 air defense system from Russia, and Washington is threatening its Indian partners with sanctions.
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  1. Titsen
    Titsen 14 March 2021 07: 52
    -2
    We ourselves are preparing ourselves a stab in the back - the Sultan will never be friendly to us!

    Or equipping the army with new weapons, like advertising on TV: if you want to watch free Hollywood movies, tolerate advertising?

    I do not believe that there is no money for the equipment of my army.

    And that there is no money for the people!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 14 March 2021 08: 31
      -5
      Foreign press: Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters become the best option for Turkey
      immediately distilled into the "zone 51"?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 March 2021 10: 16
        -7
        There is nothing fundamentally new in this technique. And they will not repeat, copy, because they are used to doing the same in terms of functionality / tasks, IN ANOTHER! They will not change anything, because the same thing works for us differently from theirs, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
        They will study it from different angles, outline countermeasures and .... so everyone does it, directly or at a distance, which is certainly less effective, but possible.
        The Sultan is not our friend, he will never be such, but .......
        1. Shah909
          Shah909 14 March 2021 10: 29
          +6
          Are we his friend? Who are we friend tell me? We have everything in private hands, and the sale of dryers is bucks in your pocket. And if they hit in the back or not, then our bourgeoisie will not be hurt. They understand that it is not an option against a nuclear power. So you can sell everything to the left and right while you are at the trough.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 March 2021 12: 06
            -1
            So it is necessary to understand here with us ... just criticize for actions / misconduct, from our point of view, no one in any way, the case will not move from a dead point.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 14 March 2021 15: 41
              +1
              Quote: Shah909
              And if they hit in the back or not, then our bourgeoisie will not be hurt. They understand that it is not an option against a nuclear power. So you can sell everything to the left and right while you are at the trough.

              Quote: rocket757
              So it is necessary to understand here with us

              on the bridge to walk with friends .. one by one, or the State Duma on the "" grant "to transplant ... the same thing.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 14 March 2021 18: 39
                0
                Screaming, swearing, puffing ... it's all empty.
                Everyone is worried about different things, which means that the upper ones can sleep / they can do business in peace.
                Nobody and nobody will be transplanted to Zhiguli.
    2. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 14 March 2021 19: 18
      0
      I absolutely agree with you !!!
    3. Anar
      Anar 15 March 2021 09: 04
      +2
      Quote: Titsen
      We ourselves are preparing ourselves a stab in the back

      Why paranoia with a stab in the back? Do you know more than Putin knows? Believe it if there was a stab in the back, then Putin would not have left without the same blow.
      At the expense of airplanes ... Those who have nothing to do with them argue here ... You asked the design bureaus that developed them if they want their brainchild to be sold - most likely they will say Yes! So that there were dividends in order to make new technologies, you asked the workers of factories where they are created? Most likely they will say yes so that there is money to flutter the industry.
      And there is a choice to whom else besides Turkey to sell? Maybe Iran? Which, due to the sanctions, does not have that kind of money? Or India? Who says yes, I will buy ... and in the end, I'm sorry, I will take from the USA or France ... And is there anyone other than Turkey who has money and is not afraid of the United States to take the risk of buying? Europe immediately disappears, because of fear on its territory, it cannot even give permission to build a pipe. Japan, Korea, China disappear immediately, they have their own. Who is left who has money and no fear of the ruling country?
      Or keep everything behind the iron curtain like in the USSR so that no one gets it, and in the end, having released a couple of dozen copies of material support, fell on the neck of the simple working class, or unique projects were simply closed due to lack of funds. There were few such projects? And most importantly, where did the USSR itself go?
  2. lucul
    lucul 14 March 2021 07: 59
    -9
    Why donate our advanced technology to enemies? After the sale there will be specialists from the USA tomorrow.
    Only Su-35, no Su-57.
    1. Kaman
      Kaman 14 March 2021 08: 32
      -7
      Delivery of SU-35 and SU-57 is the best option for everyone: Russia, Turkey and Turkish neighbors
      1. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 14 March 2021 09: 56
        -8
        First, air defense is now aircraft with the next step of close cooperation may be the import of state devices. Agree, the Turkish Federation sounds.
        PS This federation remains on the same territories as now Turkey does not need to capture anyone and inappropriately shares its territories.
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 March 2021 15: 45
        +4
        Quote: Kaman
        Delivery of SU-35 and SU-57 is the best option for everyone: Russia, Turkey and Turkish neighbors
        yes .. yes .. and C500, and "armature", and in general the Crimea to the Urals ... your middle finger.
    2. Private-K
      Private-K 14 March 2021 08: 43
      +5
      If I buy something from you, and only you have this product, then I depend on you.
      If the Russian Federation puts Turkey on a certain set of unique goods, then this means Turkey's dependence on the Russian Federation.
      This method is well developed and has worked well in the 20th century.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 14 March 2021 13: 03
        +6
        Only here you sell a gun to an insane drug-addict thug who attacks people, and who also lives in the neighborhood, he of course will have to buy cartridges then only he can kill the seller with them, incl.
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 March 2021 15: 47
        +1
        Quote: Private-K
        If the Russian Federation puts Turkey on a certain set of unique goods, then this means Turkey's dependence on the Russian Federation.

        if everything is disposable, then the whole point is yours, drowning in shit ... but technology is not. the Turks have already been bypassed with the use of "bayraktars" in battles, should they also be bypassed in air defense?
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 15 March 2021 20: 00
          0
          Disposable shotgun or airplanes? And about bypassed
          Bayraktar TB2 is equipped with a 100-horsepower gasoline engine "Rotax 912" from the famous Austrian company Rotax

          Bayraktar TB2 and other Baykar Makinası models mainly use Canadian L-3 WESCAM CMX-15D camera

          Satellite communication systems TB2 are also imported from overseas, in particular from the USA.

          the American company GARMIN (locality: Diamond Bar, California), one of the leading manufacturers in the field of navigation devices, supplies navigation receivers for this UAV Bayraktar TB2 model GARMIN GNC 255A is used

          Screwdriver assembly is definitely bypassed laughing
      3. Viktor Afanasev
        Viktor Afanasev 14 March 2021 19: 27
        +1
        If Turkey bought 10 S-400 divisions, you would be right.
        But they only bought 2 !!! This is for the defense of a small town, nothing more. What for???
        But for industrial espionage - the minimum that is needed ...
      4. rjpthju
        rjpthju 14 March 2021 19: 30
        0
        The mentality of a merchant, not a patriot. It is already clear what this trade has led to. Everything was ruined here, technology was stolen, I think the only merit of Putin is that he stopped it. I would have tried not to stop ... But now he is trading, left - right.
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 14 March 2021 08: 51
      +8
      Quote: lucul
      Only Su-35, no Su-57.

      Why did you decide that there are no unique technologies in the Su-35?
      What kind of hysteria is this "Selling technology!" Don't sell weapons at all? Or sell junk that few people need, and then lament: ah-ah, Russia has lost the arms market?
      Once export options are being sold, then everything is calculated.
      And then they spread the torn hair and screams. Kindergarten, by God.
      1. lucul
        lucul 14 March 2021 09: 10
        -2
        What kind of hysteria is this "Selling technology!" Don't sell weapons at all?

        Remember the hijacking of the MiG-25 and other equipment, and the consequences of this hijacking, if you are not aware.
        Or how ours and our allies were chasing V-2 missiles.
        In your opinion, the Germans should have sold their Fau, they would have made a fortune, right?
        Kindergarten, by golly
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 14 March 2021 09: 24
          +2
          Remember the hijacking of the MiG-25 and other equipment

          So they hijacked, and not sold officially at the state level.
          And not an export version, but intended for its own aircraft.
          No one was going to sell the V-2, and the export version of this rocket never existed, and the situation then was clearly different.
          I understand that you wanted to express yourself very weighty, but it turned out generally by no means. Double kindergarten.
          1. lucul
            lucul 14 March 2021 09: 32
            -12%
            I understand that you wanted to express yourself very weighty, but it turned out generally by no means. Double kindergarten.

            I don’t care - you still don’t see trees in the forest.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 14 March 2021 09: 37
              +6
              Quote: lucul
              I don't care - you still don't see trees in the forest

              Well, of course. Sighted only you and those who agree with you.
              And who dared to have a different point of view, of course, they do not understand anything and are carrying the game.
              And correctly the phraseological unit sounds like this: "Do not see the forest for the trees".
              Are you in a hurry or are you always so sloppy?
        2. venik
          venik 14 March 2021 13: 18
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          Remember the hijacking of the MiG-25 and other equipment, and the consequences of this hijacking, if you are not aware

          =======
          Excuse me, but the MiG-25, which was hijacked, was in EXPORT version ???
          By the way, you yourself are IN COURSE, what were the consequences of the unon? The most serious consequences were NOT in the fact that the Americans were able to study the design of the aircraft and evaluate its performance characteristics (here they did not discover anything new for themselves). It is somewhat worse that the veil of secrecy has been lifted over the plane (the enemy, as you know, is most afraid of weapons, the capabilities of which he not known).
          But the most a serious blow, was that they hijacked an Air Force CONSTRUCTION aircraft. And they were able to "remove" the parameters of the radar, and even worse - state recognition systems (interrogator-responder "friend or foe"). It was blow! Several years and a bunch of billions of rubles were spent on restructuring the WHOLE system of state recognition. And all this time, the country remained highly vulnerable to an air attack!
          Here so!
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        4. Klingon
          Klingon 14 March 2021 13: 52
          +2
          The MiG-25 was a kosher version for its own Air Force and not some stripped-down version with the -E prefix. therefore, your comparison with the stolen MiG-25 is inappropriate
      2. rjpthju
        rjpthju 14 March 2021 19: 39
        -2
        For some reason, the Americans to the left - to the right do not sell advanced weapons, only who they trust. Why would that? That money can't count? And ours even announced the possibility of selling the S-400 to the United States. If only to cut down the loot, saw it and overtake it to the West.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 March 2021 07: 13
          +1
          Dear Rzhptkhju! You yourself are well aware of the answers to your own questions. And another opinion does not interest you at all. So I don't see any point in either spreading or throwing.
    4. figwam
      figwam 14 March 2021 09: 31
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      Why donate our advanced technology to enemies?

      There will be nothing secret or advanced in the export version, they will most likely install their own equipment as well.
      1. kit88
        kit88 14 March 2021 11: 38
        +8
        "Own equipment" is correct. Especially with such incomprehensible "partners".
        As they say, trust in God, but do not make a mistake yourself. Therefore, bookmarks are not only necessary, they are necessary. So that at the right moment, either the rocket would not come down, or there was a constant breakdown of the capture, well, just in case, so that the engines would not start on the ground yet.
        This is the only way with these sultans.
        1. the most important
          the most important 14 March 2021 20: 32
          0
          Quote: kit88
          well, just in case, so that the engines do not start on the ground yet.

          Better to die out in the air.
      2. rjpthju
        rjpthju 14 March 2021 19: 48
        0
        Yeah, I found fools. Will pay off billions for trash, now. Why don't ours buy the F-35 in export version? And who will sell it to us. And we sell everything, with the letter "E". Do you know the difference from our version? Not. What are americans fools? Their version of the F-35 is also different from the export one.
  3. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 14 March 2021 08: 00
    +5
    There is a rule: a close neighbor is more important than a distant relative. If in this way we tie Turkey to Russia (gas, nuclear power plants, weapons), then maybe this is not bad? The main thing is to respect each other's interests and not cross them. And about "friendliness" - there is no such concept in politics: with whom it is profitable, with that and friends.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 March 2021 08: 03
      -1
      Well, well, today is profitable, but tomorrow? And the technology is gone.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 14 March 2021 11: 42
        +1
        What tomorrow? They are connected with us and are already dependent on us in the same energy / economic sector. Selling weapons will only strengthen their dependence on us.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 14 March 2021 11: 45
          -4
          Seriously, you Hoh Lamas tell the rest of the Tribals as well.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 14 March 2021 12: 10
            +3
            Remind me, when was the last time we built a nuclear power plant simultaneously with the gas pipeline to goofs and tribals?
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 14 March 2021 14: 34
              0
              Why do you all so primitively understand. Yes, we built everything there during the Soviet Union and they still depend
              from us in the same energy / economic sector.

              Well, how, it greatly strengthened
              their dependence on us.
              ? Pulled like a hundred meters, so think about it.
              1. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 14 March 2021 16: 18
                +2
                Quote: Ros 56
                Well, how, it greatly strengthened

                Look at the state of their economy after breaking off their boobs and make a conclusion for yourself whether it is strong or not.

                Quote: Ros 56
                Why do you all so primitively understand.

                Don't you think that at this point there is a certain systemic error, where everyone around you, including the government, understands primitively, and you are here alone D'Artagnan on a white horse? No, no dissonance?
        2. rjpthju
          rjpthju 14 March 2021 20: 09
          -1
          How do they depend on us in the economy, I wonder? Probably in the fact that we are building a nuclear power plant for them, on credit for our $ 12 billion? Now we depend on them to get our investment from them. We invest huge money now, but when will we receive ... and will we receive ...? The same as with the Turkish Stream. They counted on one pumping volume, it turned out to be much lower, they take from their brothers, from Azerbaijan, first of all. Again sat in a puddle, or rather on the grandmother.
    2. tech3030
      tech3030 14 March 2021 08: 07
      +2
      Yes, only this neighbor is in NATO, and to equip him with the latest weapons ... at least this is idiocy, but in my opinion it is generally a betrayal!
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 March 2021 20: 01
        +1
        Quote: tech3030
        Yes, only this neighbor is in NATO, and to equip him with the latest weapons ... at least this is idiocy, but in my opinion it is generally a betrayal!

        Let him be armed with our weapons, all the capabilities of which are well known to us and the methods of countering him too.
    3. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 14 March 2021 19: 34
      0
      And in response, Turkey will shoot down our planes, helicopters, kill ambassadors ...
      So you want to tie Turkey? Doesn't it seem that Turkey is simply taking advantage of the naivety (or rather the venality) of our authorities?
    4. rjpthju
      rjpthju 14 March 2021 19: 51
      +1
      Where do you see Erdogan's respect for our interests? Probably you saw it in Syria or in Azerbaijan?
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 March 2021 08: 33
    0
    It is quite possible to sell the Su35S ..... just, then they will begin to fly to Libya on their own and operate there and fly back.
  5. Doccor18
    Doccor18 14 March 2021 08: 56
    +4
    Foreign press: Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters become the best option for Turkey

    Rather, the only option ...
    There are only 3,5 countries in the world that independently produce modern fighters. Two of them are in contradiction with Turkey, half of them do not have their own decent engines. There is only one left - Russia.
    There is an illusion of choice ...
    And there is no choice.
    1. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 14 March 2021 19: 35
      0
      Not at all in contradiction. Small squabbles ...
      They are generally in the same NATO military alliance.
  6. prior
    prior 14 March 2021 09: 11
    +3
    There is nothing that a Russian liberalist cannot betray and sell.
    1. maiman61
      maiman61 14 March 2021 09: 43
      +3
      Too shy to ask. And who has been leading these liberals for the last twenty years?
      1. prior
        prior 14 March 2021 09: 45
        +2
        You shouldn't be shy. For everything that happens in this country, its president is responsible.
        1. maiman61
          maiman61 14 March 2021 09: 47
          +2
          Well, that's what we should say! And then many do not understand that the president and the liberal are one and the same!
      2. rjpthju
        rjpthju 14 March 2021 20: 14
        0
        So we are talking about him. He is only in words against the liberals, but in fact, they rule.
  7. knn54
    knn54 14 March 2021 10: 01
    +1
    Turks. Looks like. they do not believe either, and the Swedish Gripen, the "killer" of Su-35 fighters ...
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 14 March 2021 13: 49
      0
      Swedish Gripen

      There dviglo American and theirs is full of electronics. They won't sell.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 14 March 2021 10: 08
    +1
    Abroad, they are studying a statement by a representative of the Turkish authorities that the country is considering the possibility of acquiring Su-35 and Su-57 fighters from Russia.

    Options, options ... and from whom and what, of a similar class, can you buy, if / when the minke whales will cut this business in the bud?
  9. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 14 March 2021 10: 12
    0
    Funny, by God.
    Donating technology ?!
    Selling a sample won't give you technology.
    Technology is the ability to do something.
    For many years we have been selling aircraft engines to China, and what, did they make them?
    No, they bought technology from America for the production of an American old engine and are trying to develop them in order to make their own new ones.
    You can copy the appearance, geometry, aerodynamics, paint the same color ...
    You can even try to reproduce the chemical composition of materials.
    But technology can only be mastered.
    For example, from the same steel with different processing technologies, well, very different things are obtained.
    1. Crash
      Crash 14 March 2021 19: 16
      0
      For many years we have been selling aircraft engines to China, and what, did they make them?

      Thinking about China in this light is certainly not the best example. By purchasing our (and not only our) equipment, they just acquire the technology, because they have never bothered with copyright. Chinese counterparts of our SAM systems. Aircraft. Yes, the same clone of "Hunter". And much more ... Engines to copy - a matter of time. And when the materials are split, Russia will not keep up with China ...
      1. rjpthju
        rjpthju 15 March 2021 08: 00
        0
        Not only Russia, the whole world will not catch up.
    2. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 14 March 2021 19: 39
      +1
      Even if you fail to steal the technology, you can shoot accurate performance characteristics.
      And on them to develop countermeasures, which, I am sure, the Americans are already doing, thanks to the "Turkish fit."
      And these feuds about planes and patriots within NATO are temporary. All Turks will receive ...
    3. mvg
      mvg 14 March 2021 19: 49
      0
      For many years we have been selling aircraft engines to China, and what, did they make them?

      WS-10A / B / C / D - an analogue of the AL-31 of various modifications, WS-15A / B - promise more interesting AL-41F1 with rotary nozzles, WS-13/18 do (did), their engines for the Y-8 transporter, more interesting than the D-30KP2.
      At the same time, these WS are already flying ... and not bad.
      They promise and make their engines for their UBS Hongdu L-15 instead of the Zaporozhye AI-222-25.
      What's more, licensed engines for the C-919 are not bad either.
  10. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 14 March 2021 10: 15
    -1
    And by the way, selling weapons to the enemy can be profitable not only in terms of money.
    How long have we read here how all the imported equipment of one of our monopolies was stopped just by pressing a button somewhere overseas.
    1. Crash
      Crash 14 March 2021 19: 24
      0
      Rumors circulated that the time of the "Desert Storm" the Iraqis stupidly did not work the anti-aircraft missile systems of some Western manufacturers. There was a case. But in Chechnya, for example, our "Needles", EMNIP, felled Sushki. Apparently, no one thought of stopping
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      just by pressing a button
    2. rjpthju
      rjpthju 15 March 2021 08: 03
      0
      This requires chips, we have them in China, at best.
  11. iouris
    iouris 14 March 2021 13: 15
    0
    RF is a great Muslim (Sunni) country.
  12. YOUR
    YOUR 14 March 2021 13: 28
    +2
    They are also needed for the Russian army.
    1. rjpthju
      rjpthju 15 March 2021 08: 04
      +1
      Your army will wait, you have to do the loot. Something needs to be cut.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 15 March 2021 08: 42
        +1
        Why cut, you can there in their banks on accounts and leave
  13. oppozite28
    oppozite28 14 March 2021 13: 52
    0
    The Turks have already sold the S-400 and, by a strange coincidence, the performance of the complex began to raise a number of questions. Now the Sultan is looking at the Su-35 and Su-57 under the plausible pretext that the United States and the EU are refusing to sell Typhoon and some American miracle aircraft. Something darkens the sultan bully
  14. oppozite28
    oppozite28 14 March 2021 13: 55
    -1
    Just like in an old anecdote about Moldovans and balls from a bearing that he either breaks or loses wassat
  15. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 14 March 2021 14: 37
    +2
    It is necessary to issue a law that the supply of the latest Russian military developments were banned abroad! It will be a betrayal of the Motherland!
    1. rjpthju
      rjpthju 14 March 2021 20: 20
      -1
      Storyteller ... But how will they cut the loot? They issue laws for themselves, not for the state. There are a lot of examples.
  16. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 March 2021 17: 49
    -3
    All this is of course interesting, but the question is, do the Turks have money? ...

    They are developing their medium-range missile with an active radar homing head, so they can get out here without mattress mats, and they are not afraid of their excitement. But as they say, at whose expense will the banquet be? The Turks clearly cannot afford the Su-57, this is not an F-35, taking into account the offset and American assistance to the allies, the Su-35S will also not be able to buy more than 24-36 units.
    The two-seater MiG-35S would be just right for them. Here it is also possible joint production at the facilities where the Turks assembled the F-16. Moreover, the Turks are trying to develop an airborne radar with AFAR, and our MiG is in the dimensions of the project of their 5th generation fighter. Well, with this option, we at the same time would supply the MiG-35S to Azerbaijan.
    For more, the Turks, as I see it, simply do not have money, they are in debt as in silks.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 14 March 2021 19: 31
      -2
      The history of the Su-35/57 is an element of pressure on the United States in negotiations, except for engines and a number of components, they do not need anything from Russia. Principally, they can buy several pieces to study, as China is doing.
      If aircraft are really needed for reinforcement, they will buy new ones and used Eurofighters will restore the resource and modernize with the help of BAE and RR.
      If they go into a serious conflict with the United States, then they need to enter into an alliance with China and produce fighters with them. Moreover, there is experience of cooperation.
      Azerbaijan buys JF-17 block 3, they don't need more for them.
    2. Viktor Afanasev
      Viktor Afanasev 14 March 2021 19: 44
      +1
      All Turks will receive ...
      For a year or two, they will go away and everything will return to normal. drinks
      If the question were of fundamental importance - either Turkey would have left NATO or it would have been "withdrawn" ...
      Turkey is now the most powerful country in the Middle East, who should she fear, why join NATO?
      Only for confrontation with Russia, there can be no other goal.
    3. rjpthju
      rjpthju 14 March 2021 20: 22
      0
      Ours will be sold on credit, then written off as irrecoverable. We are building a nuclear power plant for them on credit ... $ 12 billion. And when will they return and whether they will return ... We still crawl in front of them, hoping to return at least something.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 14 March 2021 20: 27
        +1
        It's getting worse.
        1 billion $
        2. They are not required to return. The loan was given by the government to Rosatom. Returns from the sale of electricity on the free market, the Turks promised to buy 50% of the generated electricity, the rest as luck would have it.
        1. rjpthju
          rjpthju 14 March 2021 20: 39
          0
          Moreover, we will crawl even lower. How does is called? We feed the enemy, at the expense of our own people. We will not wait for thanks from him
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 14 March 2021 20: 43
            +2
            Quote: rjpthju
            How it's called?

            This is called betrayal. The current government invests money and technology in the economy, defense capability of Turkey, there is no active resistance to advancement into the zone of our interests, it provides political and intelligence support. The Turks, of course, will say thank you for this, but they will not return debts.
            1. rjpthju
              rjpthju 14 March 2021 21: 32
              +1
              Agree to 100%.
  17. rjpthju
    rjpthju 14 March 2021 19: 18
    +1
    Turks are the eternal enemies of Russia. I consider it a betrayal to arm a potential enemy, moreover, a NATO member. Not everything can and should be measured with money. There is no one to think about the future of Russia ... How many times in Syria Erdogan has put his foot in front of us, starting with the ambassador. And now he has already laid his eyes on Russian territory.
  18. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 March 2021 21: 33
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    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    The history of the Su-35/57 is an element of pressure on the United States in negotiations, except for engines and a number of components, they do not need anything from Russia.
    Laughter, USA and Turkey - an elephant and a pug ...

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    If aircraft are really needed for reinforcement, they will buy new ones and used Eurofighters will restore the resource and modernize with the help of BAE and RR.
    Quite a working option, especially since the British will not only help here, the Turks also have good relations with the Italians, and Leonardo is a developer and manufacturer of an AFAR radar for the Typhoon fighter.

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Principally, they can buy several pieces to study, as China is doing.
    It didn’t help China, they couldn’t copy the AL-31 of our Su-27, so it’s all the more useless for Turkey to try.

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    If they go into a serious conflict with the United States, then they need to enter into an alliance with China and produce fighters with them. Moreover, there is experience of cooperation.
    Do not confuse the license and the MLRS project with cooperation, Turkey will never agree to break with the United States or NATO, without them she is a naked orphan who can offend anyone.

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Azerbaijan buys JF-17 block 3, they don't need more for them.
    Judging by the footage of the last war, Azerbaijanis are quite selective in the procurement of weapons and equipment, and it is unlikely that their intentions ever included the purchase of Pakistani-assembled Chinese fighters. In addition, we supply engines to China with the right to re-export only to Pakistan, otherwise China asks for our consent. It makes no sense for us to give permission to supply Azerbaijan to the detriment of the supply of our fighters.
    Azerbaijan this year should receive the Italian combat training M-346 in an advanced version of the FA, equipped with a radar with a small-sized PFAR and other systems that make it a full-fledged battlefield isolation fighter, also capable of performing the role of an air defense fighter in peacetime. In my opinion, the Azerbaijanis will either buy fighters from us, or they will completely choose the entire number of M-346FA from the Italians, taking into account the option, and will wait for windows of great opportunities, that is, a favorable situation for themselves, when they will have a wide choice. Moreover, they are increasingly introducing NATO standards, and the Italian UBS fully complies with them.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 14 March 2021 21: 48
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      Quote: Azimuth
      Laughter, USA and Turkey - an elephant and a pug.

      I will paraphrase it as an additional argument in negotiations.
      Quote: Azimuth
      Turkey will never break with the US or NATO

      Certainly.
      Quote: Azimuth
      it is unlikely that their intentions ever included the purchase of Pakistani-assembled Chinese fighters


      The first JF-17 Block 3 fighter-bomber (2019 modification with AFAR KLJ-7A and wide-angle holographic display) will arrive in the country in February, according to the statements of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense. The second plane will be delivered approximately in 2022-2023. In total, 10 JF-21s will be handed over to Baku within 17 years as part of a barter deal - in exchange for oil.
      https://topwar.ru/179082-raven-po-kachestvu-drugim-mashinam-smi-azerbajdzhana-o-skorom-poluchenii-pervogo-samoleta-jf-17.html

      In fact, for Azerbaijan, the most suitable IS, the familiar RD-33 engine, modern avionics and missiles, including anti-ship missiles. It is sufficient against Armenia, Georgia and Turkmenistan, and they cannot compete against other neighbors.
      Quote: Azimuth
      Azerbaijan this year should receive the Italian combat training M-346 in the advanced version of the FA

      I still don't know if I bought them or not. There was information only about the signed agreement of intent. Azerbaijan is very secretive in military matters, which is understandable.
  19. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 March 2021 22: 12
    +1
    A very authoritative source of information you havelaughing

    This UBS has Taiwanese engines, everything else is mainly made in Italy, which agreed to sell the M-346FA. This modification can be said to have been developed for Azerbaijan, there is most likely a "Belarusian version", I believe that the Azerbaijanis have financed part of the work on this modification. And most likely here Azerbaijan was guided and consulted by the Israelis, who have several dozen M-346s in the TA version.

    I really liked the M-346, in my opinion you do not underestimate its potential and capabilities, the Chinese UBS L-15 is also good and export contracts for it have already been implemented. Both the Italian and the Chinese are the continuation of our Yak-130.
    Unfortunately, not everything is going smoothly with the Yak-130, by the way there is a small-sized Kopyo radar, there is also a range of weapons for the combat version, but according to the strike version, there are many problems of a different nature, and besides, we have not seriously dealt with it.
  20. riwas
    riwas 15 March 2021 04: 18
    +1
    The Turkish Ministry of Defense has decided to develop a floating carrier of attack unmanned aerial vehicles for the Navy. According to Defense News, the new carrier is planned to be created on the basis of the Anadolu universal amphibious assault ship under construction.
    Recently, Turkey has been considering the possibility of converting the landing ship into a light aircraft carrier, on which the F-35B Lightning II carrier-based fighters with a short takeoff and vertical landing could be based. However, in 2020, the United States refused to sell these aircraft to Turkey and Turkey decided to make Bayraktar TB3 drone carriers out of it. It will be based on the Bayrakter TB2, with larger dimensions, a folding wing and a reinforced landing gear. It is assumed that "Anadolu" will be able to carry from 30 to 50 deck drones.
    https://nplus1.ru/news/2021/03/12/carrier