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"Now Haftar himself has become a mercenary": Turkey announced the desire of officers in Libya to get rid of the "Wagnerites"

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General Haftar, the head of the Libyan National Army (LNA), is going through hard times, allegedly having contacted the "Wagner group", whose mercenaries are supervised by Russia.


This opinion is expressed on the pages of the Turkish edition SavunmaSanayiST.com. Haftar, who was preparing to sign an agreement with a group of Russian mercenaries, was allegedly warned that he was "making a deal with the devil, don't do it!" However, the general took this step with the support of the UAE.

Haftar is in trouble with Wagner's mercenaries. These "little green men", of which there are about 2 people, today control almost half of Libya. Many regions, from the El Jufra airbase, which can be considered the heart of the country, to strategic oil fields and ports, are now under the control of Wagner's mercenaries, who operate only on orders from the Kremlin.

- stated in the Turkish edition, explaining that "they are not going to go anywhere."

As indicated, The Times shares this opinion, explaining that "now the boss himself has become a mercenary."

SavunmaSanayiST.com writes that Haftar's officers in Libya allegedly want to get rid of the Wagnerites, but there is a problem - they no longer obey the general and, on his order, will not leave the country, being sponsored only by Moscow. Allegedly under the auspices of the authorities, they are already operating in more than 10 countries, in particular in Sudan, Madagascar, CAR, Syria, Libya and Venezuela.
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  1. Basarev
    Basarev 13 March 2021 11: 52
    -79%
    It was necessary to cooperate with the PNS and the Turks. Haftar was originally doomed.
    1. Machito
      Machito 13 March 2021 12: 09
      +58
      If enemies scold, then we do everything right.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 March 2021 12: 18
        -105%
        Are they enemies? I have always said that it is time for Russia to give up all this ideological nonsense and act in a purely pragmatic manner, only in the interests of Russia and the Russians personally. And there can be only one interest - wealth and development. And for this, first of all, we need the best possible relations with the developed West and its friends. If only because there are rich markets, there are technologies and investments, there are media resources, there are truly influential people, everything is there. All wealth comes from the west. I would even say that the country's wealth is a measure of openness and loyalty to the West. This is how Singapore rose, showing maximum loyalty and opening up to Western capital as much as possible, and South Korea rose in the same way. And it can only be so. If you crumble, you will only get the DPRK, beggar and backward. The choice is obvious.
        1. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 13 March 2021 12: 26
          +90
          Humpbacked with EBNom would have kissed you straight for such an "obvious" choice.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 13 March 2021 12: 35
            -72%
            I foresaw the mention of the nineties. But the truth is that all the horrors of that time were not the fault of the West. Then their nascent oligarchs, hiding behind fairy tales about the market, plundered the country. Only they alone are to blame, the West has nothing to do with it. And besides, the reforms themselves were carried out inconsistently and half-heartedly. It was necessary to stick to the once adopted plan. Here's how Poland: in the nineties, Balcerowicz was cursed, but now they remember him gratefully. Thanks to his firm course, Poland is already approaching the German standard of living. He noticed in time: completely ineffective enterprises that worked in a warehouse for decades, whose products are not needed by anyone, must die so as not to burden the economy, so that subsidies directed to support them can be freed up for much more needed purposes. This is what I call it - it is recommended not to save those who will not benefit from salvation. Balcerowicz also kept to this and how he brought Poland out. And Russia could, but instead of building normal capitalism, they began to restore the feudal system.
            1. Berber
              Berber 13 March 2021 12: 51
              +53
              The carve-up in the 90s was carried out with the participation and direct leadership of interested parties from the West. Answer the question - how did a significant part of the assets of state-owned companies, such as Sberbank and Gazprom, end up in the hands of "Western" companies?
              It makes me sick to discuss it. WE HAVE NO FRIENDS IN THE WEST. And nowhere in principle.
              1. adler87
                adler87 13 March 2021 19: 04
                +4
                So they belonged to our state. The state was ruled by our president. So who's to blame? Uncle Vasya? Who held the loans-for-shares auctions? Our president. So who's to blame?
            2. Soldatov V.
              Soldatov V. 13 March 2021 12: 52
              +4
              Do you know how they wash in an apartment in Poland now? They collect a bath of water, first dad, then mom, and then the kids, then they wash. It's all in the same water.
              1. Pavlos Melas
                Pavlos Melas 13 March 2021 13: 51
                +13
                Quote: V.
                Do you know how they wash in an apartment in Poland now? They collect a bath of water, first dad, then mom, and then the kids, then they wash. It's all in the same water.

                Well, what kind of nonsense I heard living in Greece in relation to the British, visiting Britain, it turned out that they know what hygiene is and do not engage in such stupidity. The West is not a friend, to put it mildly, but tales of the decay of the West seem to me inappropriate. hi
              2. Keyser soze
                Keyser soze 13 March 2021 14: 07
                +6
                They take a bath of water, first dad is washed, then mom, and then the kids, then they wash. It's all in the same water.


                No, they were beguiled. Before washing and neighbors pass ... laughing

                Have you announced spring fun? laughing
                1. Yujanin
                  Yujanin 13 March 2021 16: 10
                  +7

                  No, they were beguiled. Before washing and neighbors pass ... laughing

                  And before that, they wash the dishes in the bath ..
            3. Doccor18
              Doccor18 13 March 2021 12: 56
              +32
              Then their nascent oligarchs ... plundered the country. Only they alone are to blame, the West has nothing to do with it.

              Hmm ... I haven't read this for a long time ...
            4. sleeve
              sleeve 13 March 2021 13: 29
              +23
              All the "wealth" in the West? So far, there is only external debt somewhere under 180% of their own GDP (I mean the seven). By the way, Japan "opened" and ... 300%. Singapore "got rich" so that it owes 350% of its GDP. And you are right, there are "influential" people there. who are responsible for the fact that countries with such a debt are still called countries. And if anything, then ... zilch. But not yet. So "for now" is not for us. "Restoring the feudal system" as you call it, is just bringing the entire territory of the country to a single constitutional standard in terms of legality. In short, I respect your point of view, but fundamentally disagree. Also because it does not lend itself to realistic argumentation, but only the usual "derivative".
            5. Grognag
              Grognag 13 March 2021 14: 28
              +2
              Uuuuuu again a familiar song about wrong capitalism
            6. mark021105
              mark021105 13 March 2021 16: 59
              +4
              Arseny, do you sincerely believe in what you write?
              It remains only to sympathize with you ...
            7. Vikking
              Vikking 17 March 2021 00: 13
              +1
              I read it and sobbed with emotion ... I remembered Frosya Burlakova with her unforgettable that he plays incorrectly, and I sing correctly)))) In general, childish naivety and blatant flattery to Western partners reveals in you a person who has never lived in Russia. Well, people in our country do not say that. Neither those who were 90 were like manna from heaven, nor those to whom that period was hell on earth. Therefore, there is only one answer - the West itself has repeatedly stated that it needs the resources of Russia and its market to sell its products, and not a strong and rich competitor.
          2. Prisoner
            Prisoner 13 March 2021 13: 20
            +3
            laughing I am sure that this type is already "kissed" by the Kiev banderlog and their owners. In any case, he can count on a cookie and a cup of free coffee. laughing
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 13 March 2021 12: 40
          +19
          Quote: Basarev
          It is time for Russia to give up all this ideological nonsense and act in a purely pragmatic manner, only in the interests of Russia.
          One cannot but agree with this, and this applies not only to Russia: politicians should be nationally oriented - such will agree among themselves. For the rest, sorry: good relations with the west? A maturity in the Western pattern and likeness? According to this option, they will not leave a stone unturned from the Russian Federation - the interests of the West in relation to Russia are not the interests of the West in relation to Singapore, South Korea
          Quote: Basarev
          And there can be only one interest - wealth and development. The choice is obvious.
          I would also "independence in decision-making" must add
        3. Proxima
          Proxima 13 March 2021 12: 47
          +33
          Quote: Basarev
          All wealth comes from the west.

          I don’t understand, is Novodvorskaya reincarnated !? belay You tell this, for example, to the Indians and what "riches they got" fellow from the British Empire.
        4. SIT
          SIT 13 March 2021 12: 49
          +25
          Quote: Basarev
          All wealth comes from the west. I would even say that the country's wealth is a measure of openness and loyalty to the West. ...

          What is loyalty to the west? These are not all sorts of statements that are the same ideological husk, but concrete actions. What kind? Who will invest in the hitec of the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, the only one capable of destroying the United States by force of arms? Let them just try to invest at least a dollar! They will immediately receive such sanctions that they will instantly change their minds. Then what is needed for a real manifestation of loyalty to the West? Correctly! To hand over all our nuclear weapons to NATO storage bases! But at the same time, the potential remains, which will allow relatively quickly recovering at least part of what was lost. For complete loyalty to the West, this potential must be minimized. The best way for this to continue the process started in 1991 is to break up into parts that will build dumb customs offices right in the middle of production technological chains, like the former republics of the USSR. This will lead to the final loss of high-tech industries such as the production and maintenance of nuclear weapons. A bonus will be the fact that in each such principality or ulus you can put your Poroshenko, to whom another Joe Biden will explain by phone where to steer. These will already be purely classic bananas, from which it will be possible to pump out bananas (well, in the sense of oil and gas) at much more optimized prices, creating competition with OPEC, which these bananas will not enter, because joe biden will not allow. Finally, the age-old dream of the West will come true and to the east, all the way to China, there will be one continuous loyalty and no Russia.
          Dear, remember - they negotiate only with EQUALS. They just have the weak.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 13 March 2021 12: 55
            -46%
            You still have to go for it. Russia does not pull economically on the third center of power. Following the policy of the possible, without dreams of greatness, Russia can only join a superpower, surrender without a trace. And strictly follow everything they say. The limit of popular solutions has been exhausted. Zero with expensive oil will not return anymore. I have always said: there are enough empires from Russia, they are too expensive for the Russians.
            1. SIT
              SIT 13 March 2021 13: 07
              +17
              Quote: Basarev
              You still have to go for it. Russia does not pull economically on the third center of power.

              China, which buys energy resources at world prices, could in 30 years from a rice backwater become the 1st economy in the world, and Russia is stuffed to the top with minerals, including 70% of the world's gas reserves, which has not yet ditched world-class scientific schools, cannot? We don’t need to work like the Chinese for a dollar a day and we don’t need investments from outside - all this is right here, oil under our feet, and money in Kudrinsky pillows. All that is needed is political will, and this requires a fundamentally different course of the entire country as a whole.
            2. Prisoner
              Prisoner 13 March 2021 13: 26
              +15
              You wouldn't shine here with your Khokhlyatsky mriyas and the habit of "surrendering without a trace" to the right and to the left. Lecturer, EPRST, from the dissemination society laughing
            3. Flooding
              Flooding 13 March 2021 13: 26
              +12
              Quote: Basarev
              Following the policy of the possible, without mriy about greatness, Russia can only join a superpower, surrender without a trace

              it is impossible to read without tears
              kaaak ?! is that ?! can?! come ?! to the head?!

              THIS has the right to life only in one case - provocative trolling
              which we all fell for
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 13 March 2021 13: 29
                -26%
                I'm tired of arguing. Kremlin propaganda is unbreakable in you. You are hopelessly deaf to the voice of reason. I'm leaving.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 13 March 2021 13: 38
                  +13
                  Quote: Basarev
                  Kremlin propaganda is unbreakable in you. You are hopelessly deaf to the voice of reason

                  do you deny me my personal opinion?
                  this is a cheap gimmick
                2. Mitroha
                  Mitroha 13 March 2021 13: 54
                  +10
                  Quote: Basarev
                  I'm leaving

                  Desirable permanently
                3. Artyom Karagodin
                  Artyom Karagodin 13 March 2021 14: 42
                  +8
                  Well, why did you assign the voice of reason to yourself alone? So I disagree with many who are hanging all sorts of different labels on you here, but you are following the same path. You are the voice of reason, and all those who disagree are zombified by "Kremlin propaganda".

                  But in my opinion, everything is simple. A person has the right to express his point of view, whatever they may be (the exception is extremism). But he must understand that, realizing freedom of speech, you can run into freedom of criticism in your address. And this is normal and natural. Yes, I forgot one more thing: we must not forget that it is you who can be wrong, and not those who give you minuses and write angry comments.
                4. Barmal
                  Barmal 13 March 2021 14: 59
                  0
                  are you a fly bug?
                5. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 13 March 2021 15: 52
                  +5
                  Quote: Basarev
                  I'm tired of arguing. Kremlin propaganda is unbreakable in you.

                  Now is not the 90s, and it has become much more difficult for people to powder their heads.
                6. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 15 March 2021 06: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Basarev
                  I'm tired of arguing. Kremlin propaganda is unbreakable in you. You are hopelessly deaf to the voice of reason. I'm leaving.

                  I'm tired, I'm leaving ...
            4. MstislavHrabr
              MstislavHrabr 13 March 2021 13: 53
              +17
              Well, judging by your use of the word "mriy" you are very close to the understanding of how it is "to join a superpower and surrender without a trace." Do not forget to just wash your ass before each "joining" ...
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            6. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 13 March 2021 14: 45
              +8
              Remove the chevron of the Russian army from the avatar; collaborators should not associate themselves with it.
          2. V1er
            V1er 13 March 2021 13: 05
            +3
            SIT (Stas)
            As well said, I wouldn't say it better. They described my thoughts straight.
          3. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 13 March 2021 21: 19
            +2
            Quote: SIT
            - negotiate only with EQUALS. They just have the weak.

            Well, how are you so, so not tolerant lol you, if not against, I will also sign, infected, soaked through, Kremlin propaganda you will not break through. The tolerant people do not understand at all that it is unacceptable for society to cave in, as default set up, well, to make it clearer ...
        5. TerraSandera
          TerraSandera 13 March 2021 12: 59
          +12
          Ahahaha. One question is, who needs a strong Russia in the "strong" west? Except as a raw material resource appendage? South Korea and Japan and other favorites? No, these are just small counterbalances to China. Do not carry your delusions to the masses
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 13 March 2021 13: 03
            -27%
            Strength is not important, only wealth (share in world GDP and per capita) and development (for example, how many nanometers we can produce in our factories, the less, the better). And strength is not so necessary, especially when you are really strong in your friends. Now it has become fashionable to win with the world.
            1. SIT
              SIT 13 March 2021 13: 15
              +9
              The classic liberal fallacy. It is refuted very simply by one question - WHY does the US spend on the army more than the rest of the world put together ?!
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 13 March 2021 13: 18
                -22%
                The United States should, because it is a superpower, superior military power is one of the main attributes. And besides, the States have heavy obligations to protect allies, they are not the Kremlin and they are not abandoning their own people in practice.
                1. SIT
                  SIT 13 March 2021 13: 24
                  +14
                  Do you recognize them as masters? Do you think they will take care of you as good owners? Anything about your human rights and liberal values? The height of naivety. If you can take by force for free and you won't get anything for it, then this is the best way. Business and only business, nothing personal (C). You just do not understand that a unipolar world is the prison of nations.
                2. Artyom Karagodin
                  Artyom Karagodin 13 March 2021 14: 47
                  +6
                  Quote: Basarev
                  And besides, the States have heavy obligations to protect allies, they are not the Kremlin and they are not abandoning their own people in practice.

                  Listen, why are you pointing out how Russia should live if you admire the United States so much? Go there, and then all the issues will be resolved.
            2. Pavlos Melas
              Pavlos Melas 13 March 2021 14: 02
              +2
              Strength is not important, only wealth (share in world GDP and per capita) and development
              As they said in the Americas, a kind word is very important, but a kind word with a pistol is better hi
            3. Cottodraton
              Cottodraton 13 March 2021 14: 25
              +9
              Yes, go already, if you left. I'm tired of it. What a bad habit not to keep your word
            4. Mikhalych 70
              Mikhalych 70 14 March 2021 12: 36
              +1
              Tell me, Basa (r) ev, do you get paid for the lines, or do you hold on to the rainbow flag?
        6. Doccor18
          Doccor18 13 March 2021 13: 08
          +7
          Quote: Basarev
          This is how Singapore rose, showing maximum loyalty and opening up to Western capital as much as possible.

          Singapore's success is predetermined by its geographic location.
          If he was, for example, on the island of Timor, and with all the "loyalty" to Western capital, you would know almost nothing about him ...
          Quote: Basarev
          ..
          South Korea rose in the same way.

          For whom?
          There are a couple of documentaries about the lives of workers in Korean corporations. Life is such that you cannot envy ... Behind the colored signboard of a successful company, almost slave labor of tens of thousands of people is completely invisible, labor on the verge of physiological capabilities ...
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 13 March 2021 14: 14
            +6
            Singapore's success is predetermined by its geographic location.


            Singapore's success is predetermined by Lee Kuan Yew

            This man said that he had two ways - to shove his friends into the top ten of Forbes or .... to make a power. He chose the second one. And then in 20 years he made Singapore (a stunted fishing village) the number 1 power in terms of population income. And he shoved some of his friends into the slammer. Something like this. Frames are decided by the FSE ... laughing
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 13 March 2021 14: 44
              +6
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              Singapore's success is predetermined by Lee Kuan Yew
              Frames are decided by the FSE ...

              Singapore is the second largest port in the world in terms of cargo turnover ...
              What would Lee do if he was born in Paraguay or Bhutan ..?
              Cadres decide, but not everything ...
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 13 March 2021 15: 53
              0
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              This man said

              Politicians say a lot.
            3. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 14 March 2021 17: 40
              +3
              Singapore has killed corruption in two years. There are only 5-6 points of how to end corruption. The main one is an independent commission with all the rights to imprison any official or general.
              Apparently Putin has no time to look at the Singaporean experience.
          2. napalm
            napalm 13 March 2021 14: 35
            +1
            In South Korea, many homes don't even have a toilet. They scat at work, they only sleep at home.
        7. Alex777
          Alex777 13 March 2021 13: 08
          +13
          This is how Singapore rose, showing maximum loyalty and opening up to Western capital as much as possible, and South Korea rose in the same way.

          And compare Singapore and South Korea with Iraq, the Baltic states, Ukraine?
          You take examples from different eras.
          What the West did 50 years ago cannot and will not do now.
          The money from the world wars and the plundering of the colonies ran out.
          The share of the US economy from the world, since the 50s, has decreased by 2 times.
          And for a snack: why in Japan, after decades of rapid development, has come a long-term stagnation? When you find the answer, tell me. Much will change in your views on the West. hi
        8. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 March 2021 13: 12
          +3
          What nonsense ... Your supposedly developed west bites into each other every single day. Countries in the same bloc impose sanctions against each other. They squabble over vaccines like bazaar traders. Promote ideas that Russians simply do not perceive in principle. From such a friendship I want to fence myself in minefields.
          1. aleks neym_2
            aleks neym_2 13 March 2021 14: 10
            +1
            Is it weak on the "thorn"?
        9. aleks neym_2
          aleks neym_2 13 March 2021 14: 07
          +6
          But who will let you enter YOUR market? Tribals are paid to not grow cucumbers! (Danes help) All their markets (European) have long been divided among themselves. The constant war for fish catch quotas in the Atlantic ... and so on ... and you want RUSSIA to be seen / accepted in their economy by these gay Europeans?
        10. Vladimir Kuznetsov_3
          Vladimir Kuznetsov_3 13 March 2021 14: 20
          +6
          We have already kissed them and they said where to kiss and almost everywhere the ass ...
        11. URAL72
          URAL72 13 March 2021 14: 26
          +4
          Is Russia like Singapore? Return to the ward! To Napoleon. The West does not give wealth, it takes it away. Divide and rule. That's what they wanted. It didn't work out. Do you want to lie under the states to eat croissants instead of the edge of rye? You're not Russian. And I am against. Against you, but for the ruin ...

          And yes - adapt - call your father Parent # 1 and your mother Parent # 2. Or vice versa, there is a democracy, and if you don't want to, dry the crackers.
        12. Tank hard
          Tank hard 13 March 2021 17: 06
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          And for this, first of all, we need the best possible relations with the developed West and its friends. If only because there are rich markets, there are technologies and investments, there are media resources, there are truly influential people, everything is there. All wealth comes from the west. I would even say that the country's wealth is a measure of openness and loyalty to the West.

          How old are you? Just an adult, thinking person cannot be so infantile. request
        13. mmaxx
          mmaxx 14 March 2021 10: 09
          +1
          The only question is that in 100 years it would be time to understand that we are strangers in the West. How many do not lie under them. And friends and they are not. And we won't be friends. And to buy for money from them, and so everything is possible. We must act where we can have something and develop.
          So the choice is clear.
        14. alexey alexeyev_2
          alexey alexeyev_2 14 March 2021 17: 47
          0
          We had a loyal minister Kozyrev. Do not tell me what territory he traveled. And Poland is not an entirely successful example. He walks around and begs for money.
        15. Clone
          Clone 18 March 2021 13: 46
          0
          Rather, absolutely all human rot is spreading from the West.
        16. alex.z89
          alex.z89 18 March 2021 15: 29
          0
          Russia was as open as possible to the West in the 90s, one investment never poured into our economy. On the contrary, our stocks poured westward. Do not flatter yourself, and do not think that the West is a good grandfather, they are exactly the same pragmatists, and they consider third countries only from the point of view of benefits for themselves.
      2. Operator
        Operator 13 March 2021 13: 09
        +3
        Turks, who in Libya only obey Erdogan, are just jealous bully
      3. midivan
        midivan 13 March 2021 14: 54
        +3
        Quote: Bearded
        If enemies scold, then we do everything right.

        Oh how! Something I don’t see stones in the direction of PMCs, but I remember how they were not vilified only here, and the mercenaries and murderers and Prigozhin were a molded friend of the GDP and washes money, and a swarm of minuses flew out to an attempt to point out that they were performing tasks in the interests of the country wink Well, okay, even so, over time, at least the opinion changes and it is possible that the guys will begin to be respected.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 13 March 2021 17: 11
          +3
          Quote: midivan
          Something I do not see stones in the direction of the PMC, but I remember how they just were not reviled here, and the mercenaries and murderers

          Maybe the people began to understand that it is better to risk the lives of trained professionals (that is, those who are ready to perform various jobs and risk their lives for money) than ordinary conscripts (albeit not ill-trained), among whom not all are ready to die somewhere on open spaces of the Central African Republic and their parents are not at all ready for this?
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 14 March 2021 10: 10
          0
          If they are mercenaries and murderers in the direction of Russia, then well done!
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 13 March 2021 12: 10
      +15
      In fact, according to indirect data, the Wagner group has been providing military-technical support to Khavtar since the 18th year. Why Turkey is now screeching like a slaughtered pig is not clear! request
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 13 March 2021 12: 18
        +14
        «green men", Of which there are about 2 people, today control almost half of Libya


        2000 on half of Libya without reliance on the local population belay ?

        And, on the outskirts then, with a mass of pro-Russian-minded population, how much is needed?

        The same two thousand, or a little more or less?

        The statement sounds like a compliment to "Wagner" yes
        1. Berber
          Berber 13 March 2021 12: 52
          +3
          By the way, a sensible thought! good Encourages reflection.
      2. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima 13 March 2021 12: 19
        +3
        In fact, according to indirect data, the Wagner group has been providing military-technical support to Khavtar since the 18th year. Why Turkey is now screeching like a slaughtered pig is not clear! request

        Given the exacerbation in Syria, everything seems to be as clear and predictable)
      3. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 13 March 2021 13: 03
        +4
        It's just that the Turks began to weigh good people there with the warm support of the population. So the sultans began to whine.
      4. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 13 March 2021 16: 51
        +3
        Why is Turkey screeching now like a slaughtered pig - unclear!

        Well, the problems must have started suddenly. Comparing a Muslim country with this animal is a noble trolling!
    3. Mitroha
      Mitroha 13 March 2021 13: 53
      +1
      Quote: Basarev
      surrender without a trace

      In this, apparently, you are a dock
    4. Adelina Dyatlova
      Adelina Dyatlova 13 March 2021 14: 19
      +2
      In Syria, Russia is for the legitimate president, and in Libya, it is on the side of the opposition, strangely enough, but Erdogon, before criticizing Russia, needs to take out all the pro-Turkish terrorist groups that he feeds in Syria.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 13 March 2021 17: 15
        +2
        Quote: Adelina Dyatlova
        In Syria, Russia is for a legitimate president, and in Libya, on the side of the opposition, strangely enough

        There is such a thing as geopolitical and economic interest. For me, the PMC should have been created a long time ago.
    5. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov 14 March 2021 09: 47
      0
      I do not agree with you, Khavtar has local support of about 30 ~ percent of the local population
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 14 March 2021 10: 12
        0
        For Arabs, that's a lot. So in general, everything is every man for himself.
    6. Blondy
      Blondy 17 March 2021 17: 41
      0
      All these similar fabrications belonged to the category of "wishful thinking" back to the beginning of the information wars. That is, when "freedom of speech" absolutely shamelessly got rid of the "responsible for the bazaar" millennia ago, sometimes to the point of death, somewhere in a tinge or in a circle.
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 13 March 2021 11: 59
    +16
    What else can Turks broadcast? Of course Haftar sucks. Precisely because he contacted the Russians. And if I lay down under Erdogan, I would become one of my own. Nothing too exciting.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 March 2021 12: 06
      +2
      Quote: oleg-gr
      What else can Turks broadcast?

      That everyone except the Turks are enemies, and the Turks are the bearers of freedom and "Turkish democracy".
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 13 March 2021 12: 15
        +3
        Have our friendship with Haftar been going on for three years already?
        During this time, many authorities in Libya have changed: now there is only Haftar left, and a handful of Turks as enemies - and without Wagner and Haftar there would have been no more - the Turks alone would have run across the desert ... laughing
  3. RealPilot
    RealPilot 13 March 2021 12: 00
    +6
    A deal with the devil, you say? belay
    It was necessary to make a deal with the angel Erdogan laughing
  4. RealPilot
    RealPilot 13 March 2021 12: 02
    +2
    Quote: RealPilot
    A deal with the devil, you say?
    It was necessary to make a deal with the angel Erdogan laughing

    Although on VO this leader is sometimes called "Chertogan" ... am
    There is something to think about!
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 March 2021 12: 02
    +1
    Even I have suspicions that the Turks are shielding themselves such as we are not in Libya. They are not there ("Wagnerians"), they can be thrown into others there on legal grounds.
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 13 March 2021 12: 04
    +4
    ... of which there are about 2 people, today they control almost half of Libya.

    Quite so cool. They are really invincible ...
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 13 March 2021 12: 15
      +3
      Something and propaganda ceased to work for NATO))) According to them, it turns out that way - either the Turkish Armed Forces are completely homogeneous, they cannot cope where 2000 lightly armed infantrymen defeated everyone, or the Turks are fooling around like they breathe, but they breathe often and hard
    2. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima 13 March 2021 12: 21
      +1
      ... of which there are about 2 people, today they control almost half of Libya.

      Quite so cool. They are really invincible ...

      So also how many countries manage to be torn apart)
  7. K150
    K150 13 March 2021 12: 09
    +2
    Another fake. Why put it here? To cut money for activity?
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 March 2021 12: 12
    +4
    Believe these information dumpsters, do not respect yourself, especially Turkish ones. And what is really there, this is a question.
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 13 March 2021 12: 25
    +3
    It's good that the democratic Turks who do not supply mercenaries ..... opened their eyes to this chaos.
  10. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 13 March 2021 12: 26
    +2
    Turks are opponents of Haftar ... and disinformation is also a war, but only by other means ... this whine shows the correctness of the general's actions))) ...
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 March 2021 12: 28
    +3
    The Turks are again aggravating the situation through the media, and this may indicate that not everything went as it should and according to plan for them. Now it is advisable to find the culprit. And like "the icing on the cake:
    who only act on orders from the Kremlin
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 13 March 2021 12: 36
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The Turks are again aggravating the situation through the media, and this may indicate that not everything went right for them ...
      Well, of course! And then the English edition came in handy! bully Again, unsubstantiated statements that have been against our country for many years!
  12. EXP
    EXP 13 March 2021 12: 32
    +1
    The developed West does not exist. There are territories controlled by someone unknown. A living example: the barbed wire around the Capitol and thousands of military guards.
  13. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 13 March 2021 12: 41
    +5
    Quote: Basarev
    Are they enemies? I have always said that it is time for Russia to give up all this ideological nonsense and act in a purely pragmatic manner, only in the interests of Russia and the Russians personally. And there can be only one interest - wealth and development. And for this, first of all, we need the most good relations with the developed West and its friends ...

    Ideological nonsense, of course, must be dropped and only in the interests of Russia. But friendship and good relations with the West have always been to the detriment of Russia. This was the whole story. Worse than a war with the West, there can only be friendship with it.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 13 March 2021 12: 46
    +5
    - stated in the Turkish edition, explaining that "they are not going to go anywhere."

    Oh you, wow ... 2000 people control half of the country ???
    To discuss this ... pf - e. Empty chatter.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 March 2021 12: 58
      +5
      Good time! hi

      In, in, and I was immediately crushed ... if they are doing a fake, then at least the logic would be turned on ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 March 2021 13: 20
        +3
        Should it be flattering to us ??? But not from outright stupidity - well! fool fool
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 March 2021 13: 26
          +3
          The fact of the matter is that it turns out that we are not smart enough ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 March 2021 13: 31
            +2
            Whoever feeds journalists / rags / experts, he orders what he needs or what sho seems to him a clever idea ...
            Let's not guess, let them hang such noodles on other ears, spread out.
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 March 2021 13: 42
              +3
              So it will now scatter all over the web, and there are far from all stupid ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 March 2021 13: 48
                +2
                Who will count wassat , who had noodles hanging on their ears, and who just turned their fingers to their temples fool fool
                They will pick up and smash what exactly they need!
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 March 2021 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        ...... I was immediately crushed ... if they are doing a fake, then at least the logic would be turned on ...
        hi Greetings! There is no logic. The Russians were again appointed to blame for everything.
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 March 2021 18: 45
          +3
          Greetings! hi

          Yes, let them rage, we are not cold and not hot from their conversations ...
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 13 March 2021 19: 13
            0
            Quote: cniza
            ...... Yes, let them rage, we are not cold and not hot from their conversations ...
            Will anyone join their fairies? Constant nagging at Russia
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 March 2021 20: 27
              +3
              So here the regional fuss is going on, I don't think that someone else will climb ...
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 13 March 2021 20: 30
                0
                Quote: cniza
                So here the regional fuss is going on, I don't think that someone else will climb ...

                The logic of these negative repeat do not understand at all! Where do they get what request
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 March 2021 20: 32
                  +3
                  They try to use any moments and it seems without any logic ...
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 13 March 2021 16: 34
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      - stated in the Turkish edition, explaining that "they are not going to go anywhere."

      Oh you, wow ... 2000 people control half of the country ???
      To discuss this ... pf - e. Empty chatter.
      welcome Victor! bully and the question arises after these words ------ maybe it will soon be possible to control all of Libya, then? Or have they decided to scare everyone with the terrible Russians for the umpteenth time?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 March 2021 16: 46
        +1
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        Piled up a bunch of bullshit ... who can you scare with that?
        It's just that things are not going so well for them, so they indulge in fantasies, maybe it will come down.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 March 2021 16: 51
          +1
          How can we not recall previous campaigns in the press and various governments? The Russian Federation was appointed guilty --- starting from Litvinenko and so on ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 March 2021 19: 09
            +1
            Times .... seem to go forward, but the methods of nonsense, do not change.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 March 2021 20: 07
              0
              It seems to me that they choose, come up with some kind of target and hammer, hammer, endlessly, attracting assistants, repeating the same thing, but also coming up with new ones. details ....
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 March 2021 20: 54
                +1
                We'll see.
                It is all the same to us, we have "admirers", unchanging, especially new to come up with them ...
  15. Growlers
    Growlers 13 March 2021 12: 49
    +3
    Something went wrong in Turkey, since they began to look for the guilty and accuse Haftar (originally a pro-American general)
  16. cniza
    cniza 13 March 2021 12: 57
    +3
    These "little green men", of which there are about 2 people, today control almost half of Libya. Many regions, from the El Jufra airbase, which can be considered the heart of the country, to strategic oil fields and ports, are now under the control of Wagner's mercenaries, who operate only on orders from the Kremlin.


    How is it ... just even physically it is possible ... that the Turks do not really have a reality ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 March 2021 13: 22
      +1
      Well, like we will immediately become happy and start clapping our hands ??? not at all friendly with the head fool
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 March 2021 13: 27
        +2
        Probably, their inner electorate easily swallows it, it looks like everything is calculated ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 13 March 2021 13: 32
          +2
          Okay, for such "noodles" there are ears ... there are many places.
          1. cniza
            cniza 13 March 2021 13: 43
            +3
            The Internet is big, enough for all lop-eared ... yes
  17. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 13 March 2021 13: 00
    +1
    They envy, sss ...! That's right! "Work, brothers!"
  18. Ulysses
    Ulysses 13 March 2021 13: 02
    0
    Nobody canceled the information war.
  19. Slava slava
    Slava slava 13 March 2021 13: 15
    +1
    Or maybe get rid of the pro-Turkish terrorists first. which Erdogan brings in packs from Syria?
  20. Murazor
    Murazor 13 March 2021 13: 27
    0
    In Turkey, the desire of officers in Libya. What is it like?
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 March 2021 13: 36
    0
    Haftar, who was preparing to sign an agreement with a group of Russian mercenaries, was warned that he "makes a deal with the devil, don't do it!"
    I wonder if he was so caring? repeat Reminded: “I told you, don’t do it? I did. Guys break his arm.” (Robbery in French)
  22. Tagan
    Tagan 13 March 2021 13: 59
    +2
    Quote: Basarev
    ... there are rich markets, there are technologies and investments, there are media resources, there are truly influential people, everything is there. All wealth comes from the west ...

    The Lochs thought so too. And they were already standing with their pockets wide open, and they were bent over and raped for free.
    I apologize, but you were just born? Or are you looking for an easier one?
  23. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 13 March 2021 14: 16
    +1
    = sponsored only by Moscow. Allegedly, under the auspices of the authorities, they are already operating in more than 10 countries, in particular in Sudan, Madagascar, CAR, Syria, Libya and Venezuela. =
    Something the list is painfully short. laughing
  24. Tagan
    Tagan 13 March 2021 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: Basarev
    The United States should, because it is a superpower, superior military power is one of the main attributes. And besides, the States have heavy obligations to protect allies, they are not the Kremlin and they are not abandoning their own people in practice.

    I killed you! Such funny guys have not appeared here for a long time.
    Those whom you call allies of the states are their vassals, nothing more. Go already, take the place of the "ally".)))
  25. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 13 March 2021 14: 52
    +1
    "Under the auspices of the authorities, they are already operating in more than 10 countries, in particular in Sudan, Madagascar, Central African Republic, Syria, Libya and Venezuela" - except for the Central African Republic, all states have access to the sea, respectively, after Sudan, it is possible to equip our naval equipment points everywhere (construction two UDC apparently on this topic), with Venezuela de facto and so it is, they do not officially declare, so as not to drag on the Americans, the CAR, in my opinion, has a common border with Libya, from which we can conclude that Russian PMCs have a fairly effective military a political tool, where washing does not work, we take it by rolling
  26. Mr. One Two
    Mr. One Two 13 March 2021 15: 01
    +2
    Basarev, this is one of two things. You are either a fool @ k, or a conscious enemy. There is no third.
  27. Sergey985
    Sergey985 13 March 2021 17: 13
    0
    Are the Turkish military specifically shaking from the Wagnerites? Why such hysteria with such statements?
  28. Alexey G
    Alexey G 13 March 2021 21: 57
    0
    Good news! Perhaps something happened that should have happened. Russia is starting its independent geopolitical game!
  29. Charik
    Charik 14 March 2021 00: 26
    0
    Yes, you can all shake here your knowledge about the hired military - only gasoline under half a ton (50) and HE is going to get into the pockets of large families, wherever they have money, but against in jail and stir the snow to the north
  30. Alsur
    Alsur 14 March 2021 10: 48
    +1
    Quote: Basarev
    Are they enemies? I have always said that it is time for Russia to give up all this ideological nonsense and act in a purely pragmatic manner, only in the interests of Russia and the Russians personally. And there can be only one interest - wealth and development. And for this, first of all, we need the best possible relations with the developed West and its friends. If only because there are rich markets, there are technologies and investments, there are media resources, there are truly influential people, everything is there. All wealth comes from the west. I would even say that the country's wealth is a measure of openness and loyalty to the West. This is how Singapore rose, showing maximum loyalty and opening up to Western capital as much as possible, and South Korea rose in the same way. And it can only be so. If you crumble, you will only get the DPRK, beggar and backward. The choice is obvious.

    Oh, how, and what natural resources comparable to Russian ones are there in Singapore? In this case, the technique of false propaganda, covered with half-truths. If Singapore had some kind of significant resource, well, as in the Dunes on the planet Tatavin, then no one would allow Singapore to rise, he could conduct an independent policy and sell the resource to everyone. Look at the fate of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Venezuela (the world's first in terms of oil reserves).
    Your propaganda is clumsy.
  31. Scipio
    Scipio 14 March 2021 10: 59
    +1
    How few fighters are needed to control half of such a large country
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    2. da Vinci
      da Vinci 14 March 2021 12: 29
      +1
      They took it off the tongue. They also have 2,5 thousand people, and you can rule the world !!!!!!!!! (sarcasm). fellow
  32. Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 14 March 2021 12: 49
    +1
    Did I understand correctly that the motorized rifle regiment is holding "half of Libya"?
  33. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 14 March 2021 19: 07
    +1
    "Little green men, of which there are about 2 people, today control almost half of Libya."! We can only rejoice at the level of specialists! 000 people in a foreign country, in a civil war, intervention, with active opposition, control the most important objects and territory! Are Turks jealous of efficiency?
  34. Fisherman
    Fisherman 17 March 2021 15: 50
    0
    Haftar's adversary - the six Turks fled the country, having resigned .... something suggests that Haftar is happy with what is happening!
  35. Serzh
    Serzh 18 March 2021 11: 44
    0
    Quote: Basarev
    And there can be only one interest - wealth and development.

    At this point, I thought about answering, but I lost my account password .... Are you only interested in wealth? Bucks temple fan or what?
    Quote: Basarev
    But the truth is that all the horrors of that time were not the fault of the West.

    Then I went to recover the password ...
    Quote: Basarev
    This is how Poland:

    You are there staring into the mouth of Western countries ... Maybe it's time for you to change your citizenship ?! ))
    Here I am again! Thanks to such a crazy commentator!
  36. Fisherman
    Fisherman April 15 2021 19: 02
    0
    Turks measure by themselves, they do not believe in honesty, decency and long-term cooperation. Therefore, they voice how they themselves would act: betrayed, changed, stabbed the boss, threw the customer, etc.