Turkey plans to deploy Bayraktar TB3 drones on light aircraft carrier Anadolu instead of F-35 aircraft

The Turkish authorities are concerned about the formation of an air wing for their light aircraft carrier Anadolu. Its displacement is about 27 thousand tons, while initially it was built as a future carrier of the fifth generation F-35 sea-based fighters.

After the United States imposed sanctions against Turkey for the acquisition of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system from Russia, the question arose before Ankara: after the introduction of the universal amphibious assault aircraft carrier into operation, what will its air wing be?

Against this background, statements appeared in the Turkish press, which reported that instead of fighters, the Turkish command was going to deploy attack aircraft on Anadolu Drones.

CEO of the Turkish company Baykar, which produces drones:

We are considering the possibility of integrating our drones with the UDC-aircraft carrier. In order for drones to take off and land on an aircraft carrier, the structure must be modified, reinforced, because it will be subjected to strong overloads. We are on the way to developing a new UAV that will be able to take off and land on an aircraft carrier. Moreover, the term of work is about a year.

Ismail Demir, head of the Turkish Defense Industry Directorate, said that the new version of the attack drones - Bayraktar TB3 - will allow Anadolu to take on board up to 50 such UAVs.

Ismail Demir:

At the same time, 10 drones will be able to operate simultaneously

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It is expected that the Turkish Navy's UDC-aircraft carrier Anadolu will finally enter service by the end of the year. Due to the pandemic and sanctions, these dates were postponed - it was previously planned that its commissioning would take place in 2020.

Comments

[mojohed2012]

As the Sultan wills. Only here is the question: have the Turks figured out import substitution in terms of the production of these UAVs?
And where will the Bayraktarov operators sit? On the same vessel? Or in / in Ukraine in the Mariupol region, where you saw the flights of Tsyogo litak?
I personally would be offended for the fact that I poured money and resources into an aircraft carrier, but there will be no planes on it.
And there will be UAVs, which (according to rumors) have not been able to crush even 1 ZRPK Pantsir with 10 vehicles recently.
And who will cover this ship from the attacks of enemy aircraft from the air? F-16 of the Turkish Air Force will fly from land? Then the autonomy and safety of the navigation of this ship is a big question, tk. after the S-400 scandal, NATO friends are unlikely to be happy to provide an air escort for the craft.

[Maz]

In general, I am impressed by such a fresh Turkish thought and opportunity. Only now the question arises, who in the sky will defend this UDC from the attack of the anti-ship missile system? Security ships? And so interesting, you can drive this bandura closer to Syria, closer to Libya, to Egypt, Israel, even to Lebanon - it will be a sensation. Greece, Cyprus. Cyprus is the best base in the Mediterranean. And if this devil enters the Black Sea it will not be sweet

[loki565]

Well, as a fresh idea, we are talking about this, the placement of UAVs on helicopter carriers under construction

[Eldorado]

"Anadolu" is an excellent argument as to whether our fleet needs UDC.

[Alex777]

With analogs of Bayraktars, UDC is not needed.
This is the decision of the Turks from great grief.
UDC with SUVVP (as the Turks wanted) are needed.

[Maikcg]

The Black Sea is being shot through by the Ball, we don't even touch the aircraft. While this ch0rt comes out of the strait, they take him for escort, while he releases the bayraktars, they take aim, until they reach the border of Russia, the ch0rt dives to the bottom.

[OgnennyiKotik]

What should he do in the Black Sea? What tasks are there?
Turkey has great interests in Africa, around this continent and the tasks of the UDC. This is the Mediterranean and Red Sea, Atlantic and Indian Ocean.
Maybe they are building a cosmodrome in Somalia, some rebels have raised their heads, you need to quickly transfer reinforcements and support from the air. Here Anadol will come in handy. It has nothing to do in the Black Sea, it is being shot by all countries around it, aviation can fly from ground airfields, including TB-2S / 3, you can swim across by boat.

[Maikcg]

This is you with a friend Maz ask what to do in the Black Sea.

And the pirates in Somalia may have anti-ship missiles, like the Yemeni guys have ballistic missiles.

[Zaurbek]

All UDC users have the same idea ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Bayraktar TB-2S made its test flight back in December. It is not clear TB-3 will be the same or a different modification.

TB-2S, equipment from Turkish companies:

New CATS optics and MIlSAR radar
Satcom satellite communication system
New TUSAS TEI PD-170 engine



And there is more than one of them in production. Hump ​​TB-2S

[Runway]

For the operation of this drone, a flat area of ​​250 meters long with durable asphalt concrete is required. Wingspan 12 meters + 30%. Good intelligence sign.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: mojohed2012

As the Sultan wills. Only here is the question: have the Turks figured out import substitution in terms of the production of these UAVs?
And where will the Bayraktarov operators sit? On the same vessel? Or in / in Ukraine in the Mariupol region, where you saw the flights of Tsyogo litak?
I personally would be offended for the fact that I poured money and resources into an aircraft carrier, but there will be no planes on it.
And there will be UAVs, which (according to rumors) have not been able to crush even 1 ZRPK Pantsir with 10 vehicles recently.
And who will cover this ship from the attacks of enemy aircraft from the air? F-16 of the Turkish Air Force will fly from land? Then the autonomy and safety of the navigation of this ship is a big question, tk. after the S-400 scandal, NATO friends are unlikely to be happy to provide an air escort for the craft.

Everything was somewhat different there.

This news is already circulating in the media as a legend: the Turkish Bayraktar unmanned aerial vehicles carried out a massive attack on the Russian-made Pantsir-S1 missile-gun complex (ZRPK), which is in service with the Syrian army. And they suffered a shameful fiasco. This became known to the Vietnamese edition of Soha. According to him, 20 (!!!) Turkish attack unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) were immediately involved in the attack against the air defense missile system. They fired several dozen missiles at a complex deployed in the Syrian province of Idlib. However, they failed to destroy the "Shell".

.- Well, how do you like the fact that like 20 (twenty !!!) Turkish drones at once piled on one of our "Pantsir"? Is it possible?

- Here the authors of the material in Soha went too far. Yes, 20 Turkish Bayraktars attacked Syrian targets at that time. But only 5-6 of them were aimed at the "Shell". And all of them were "cut down" by this complex. However, like everyone else who attacked other targets.

- Were there Syrian or Russian officers in the crews of these "Shells"?

- Let me not answer this question.

- And what are these "Bayraktars" armed with?

- One such drone can carry 4 laser-guided UMTAS anti-tank missiles, or Roketsan MAM-C, MAM-L corrected high-precision gliding bombs. They are capable of striking stationary and moving objects at a distance of up to 8 km.

"The Soha report says:" According to Turkish military expert Enes Kai, the Syrian military made a serious mistake - they did not use the Shells to shoot down the Turkish drones when they were not yet within the missile launch range. "

- This is Kai's personal opinion. And it is controversial. I can only say one thing here: the Pantsir missiles were launched on time or not, only the result can speak. The Bayraktar attack failed. Most of the missiles were destroyed by our complex. Only one rocket exploded near him, this did not lead to his destruction. It was quickly restored with the help of our specialists.

https://www.kp.ru/daily/27249/4379071/

[dSK]

Quote: OrangeBigg

they did not use the Shell, to shoot down Turkish drones

What's going on "Turkish - Syrian" war and we are as allies of Syria in it participate or not?

[Orange bigg]

In fact, yes. But at the same time, everyone pretends not. At the same time, there is war when it is convenient and at the same time peace, so as not to stop economic ties and not to bother. You have not fully grasped the meaning of the quote. It meant that it was not necessary to let the Armor so close to oneself, it was necessary to shoot down immediately and work on the Bayraktars only, and not on the missiles they fired.

they didn’t use the Shells to shoot down the Turkish drones when they weren’t within missile launch range. ”

[dSK]

In Libya, Russian SAM "Pantsir-S1" shot down 47 Turkish drones UAV Bayraktar TB2

The United States has released data on Turkey's losses in Libya. According to the Pentagon, there were destroyed 47 UAV Bayraktar TB2 ...

[yaglon]

According to US correspondent Jeff Jaworski, not the Pentagon. It is also indicated there that the Bayraktars destroyed 9 Armor-S.

[Linxs]

Quote: mojohed2012

1 ZRPK Armor with 10 vehicles could not be crushed recently.

Sources write that the UAV was 20 pieces, and the shell was 1.

It became known about the mass attack of 20 Turkish Bayraktar on the Russian "Pantsir"


https://lenta.ru/news/2021/03/09/bayraktar/



True, it's hard to believe in this ... but the main thing here is the headline and the clicks.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In addition to Bayraktar, this Turkish UDC will also have attack and transport helicopters, so that a rather formidable and powerful ship will turn out.

[carstorm 11]

They will probably defend themselves, right?) What a circus ...

[dSK]

Quote: carstorm 11

they will probably defend

Anadolu was created for the F-35, they will not be, there may be other analogues, it is not at all necessary that only one drones.
Erogan is actively building his diversified empire:

Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that the implementation of the Akkuyu NPP project will significantly strengthen the energy security of Turkey and will give impetus to the development of the country's nuclear industry.

[carstorm 11]

For example, what? There are two options left. Or buy MIGs or decommissioned harriers. Nothing else will shine for them, and the second will be closed to them at once by their partners.

[dSK]

Quote: carstorm 11

and the second one will be closed by partners at once.

Why? His Angles will be happy to use the used ear technique. Price question.
The Greeks can express deep concern ...

[carstorm 11]

They won't. They even covered the engines for the tanks. I am silent about the planes even

[Roma 1977]

MiGs don't fit. They need a bigger ship.

[Atlant-1164]

The Turkish ship is equipped with a springboard that allows aircraft to take off with a short takeoff, which can allow it to be used to launch UAVs, including the promising Bayraktar Akinci drone, which will differ in size compared to the modern serial Turkish UAV Bayraktar TB2. In addition, it is possible to develop a new device, originally intended for ship-based.

[Avior]

How does it sit down?

[Ugochaves]

Don't make me laugh, using Avik under a UAV is the height of idiocy

[Thrifty]

Alternatively, buy their j10 from the Chinese, in the version of a carrier-based fighter, or buy our MiG35 in a "hot" version.

[donavi49]

Not an option, not an option at all. For there are no finishers, and those that are screwed for UAVs are not suitable for airplanes. To supply adult finishers for catching 20 ton aircraft, it is easier to design a new ship.

the only alternative is to buy Harriers from Italians and Spaniards. They are bringing them out just now. Italy has a service base, Spain has scanty plaque - that is, you can calmly drive them for another 10 years.

[rocket757]

It is expected that the Turkish Navy's UDC-aircraft carrier Anadolu will finally enter service by the end of the year.

It turns out that they will be the first to master such a configuration of the strike forces of an aircraft carrier !!!

[Eldorado]

The Americans and Chinese are already using UAVs from their UDCs.

[rocket757]

Applying or fully completing ... there is a difference.

[Zaurbek]

This, most likely, awaits the Russian Federation ..... Ka52 + UAV

[rocket757]

Aircraft carrier, this is a serious topic ... how will we have, is this a question?

[Dimide]

Well done Turks, what can I say.
Think outside the box

[Ilya091]

Well, when the plane intended for it is not sold, and there is no aircraft industry of its own, you have to get out of such decisions. On such ships, the UAV is a secondary unit, the basis is still manned aviation, but since the Turks have been driven into a corner, they will have to go out to sea with a bayraktar.

[Dimide]

Recently I watched a video of the Bayraktar being used on a Turkish naval exercise in the Mediterranean.

[Ilya091]

Bayraktar can only be used for strikes against ground targets, as well as for reconnaissance. In addition, the F-35 was able to conduct aerial combat and carry heavier ammunition, and the DVKD operates where aviation from Turkey itself can no longer operate. It turns out that his air group will only be able to conduct reconnaissance and strike at vehicles.

[Dimide]

For air combat, yes, I agree.
But it’s not dilettantes, people are me, they’re sitting there.
Probably they have already come up with an application strategy.

[Sevastiec]

We are considering the possibility of integrating our drones with the UDC-aircraft carrier. In order for drones to take off and land on an aircraft carrier, the structure must be modified, reinforced, because it will be subjected to strong overloads. We are on the way to developing a new UAV that will be able to take off and land on an aircraft carrier. Moreover, the term of work is about a year.

Is the UAV heavier than the F-35 ??

[Thrifty]

It is more fragile compared to Ф35, it can not withstand the loads when landing on the deck, especially in a storm - the landing gear will break, or even the glider will damage the wings. ..

[Dimide]

I understand that because of the auto finisher

[loki565]

Rather, there is a problem with landing, a conventional UAV is not designed for such overloads.

[Avior]

And how are they going to sit down?

[OgnennyiKotik]

If there is a dimension TB-2 should land like this, the length is 230 meters, it should be enough for takeoff and landing. If there is more, you will not be able to do without an aerofinisher. For future jet UAVs, it will definitely be needed.

[Cowbra]

It seems that the Turks developed this aircraft carrier, inspired by the ScrollLock button. Nobody needs nafig, but there is

[TermNachTer]

And where will they get the engines for these "bays"? Or will they adapt the pedal drive?))) And a lot of funny questions. But, we wish the Turks success in their hopeless enterprise))))

[Gennady Fomkin]

I also feel that planes will have to be sold to the Turks.

[dSK]

Variants (Su-57, Su-35) are already being considered ...

[dSK]

Negotiations on the supply of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters and Su-4 generation 35 ++ vehicles to Turkey may begin in the near future, Valeria Reshetnikova, press secretary of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of the Russian Federation, said on March 12.

[FrankyStein]

Oops the Turks will fly by with their wunderwolf.

[kit88]

Now there is a new trend in the world - Bayraktar. Let's shove it wherever it is necessary and not necessary. Although no one by and large knows what this UAV is, it will face a real enemy, not mountain broads.
Place used hariers and do not make people laugh with your aircraft carrier without aircraft.

[Viktor Sergeev]

They seem to be obsessed with drones. I feel they will run into someone stronger than Armenia and understand how their toys are complete crap.

[Zaurbek]

Not crazy .... and UAVs occupy their niche, pushing aside attack helicopters and airplanes. and scouts and spotters of fire ...

[Elena Yakimets]

Tell me, maybe who knows, what is the length of the runway at Bayraktars? I mean, how far does he have to travel to take off?