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Chinese Navy has replenished with the second newest destroyer of Project 055

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Chinese Navy has replenished with the second newest destroyer of Project 055

The PLA naval forces were replenished with the second newest destroyer of the Type 055 project. fleet took place at the naval base of the Northern Fleet of the PLA Navy in Qingdao.


The destroyer was built at the Shanghai Jiangnan Changxing Shipbuilding and Heavy Industry Corporation of the China Shipbuilding State Corporation (CSSC). In total, at the moment, six more destroyers of this project are at various stages of construction and testing.

The lead destroyer of the Nanchang project was first shown on April 23, 2019 at the naval parade in honor of the 70th anniversary of the PLA Navy, and was officially transferred to the Chinese fleet on January 12, 2020, also at the Northern Fleet naval base in Qingdao.

Type 055 destroyers have a total displacement of up to 14,5 thousand tons, hull length - 183 meters, width - 20 meters, draft - 6,6 meters. It is second only to the American Zumwalt-class ships in size, surpassing the Arleigh Burke destroyers and the Ticonderoga cruisers, and is classified as a cruiser by the Pentagon.

The ship is armed with HQ-9B anti-aircraft missiles with a range of up to 200 km, promising HQ-26 missiles (analogous to American SM-3), YJ-18A anti-ship missiles (analogous to "Caliber"). There are 112 universal launchers on the ship. It is assumed that the destroyers are also armed with YU-8A anti-submarine missiles.

In addition, the ship is equipped with a fully automatic 130-mm gun mount H / PJ-38, four 30-mm anti-aircraft guns H / PJ-11, short-range anti-aircraft missile systems and torpedoes.
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  1. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 8 March 2021 12: 51
    -4
    It is necessary for Russia in China to order the hulls of destroyers, then in Russia to equip electronic radars, etc. And then soon we will be left without ships at all. There will be only corvettes and a few frigates.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 8 March 2021 13: 02
      +18
      Lt. Air Force reserves - they themselves must build, and not feed orders to the Chinese economy. After the war, the USSR could relatively quickly, but build an ocean-going fleet! And here, they did not fight with an external enemy, the dominance of bureaucrats slows down progress and economic growth. Tough measures are needed, and for this, the authorities must have a tough and decisive person. ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 8 March 2021 13: 15
        +6
        Quote: Thrifty
        Lt. Air Force reserves - they themselves must build, and not feed orders to the Chinese economy. After the war, the USSR could relatively quickly, but build an ocean-going fleet! And here, they did not fight with an external enemy, the dominance of bureaucrats slows down progress and economic growth. Tough measures are needed, and for this, the authorities must have a tough and decisive person. ...

        These conversations are already 15 years old, and things are still there. We need modern ships in sufficient numbers now. It will not work out quickly. The same frigates 22350M that are going to build are essentially a new project. And how many lead ships are being commissioned? Years 5-7. We have few shipyards, those that are loaded with routine repairs or the construction of corvettes.
        1. bayard
          bayard 9 March 2021 09: 23
          +3
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          We need modern ships in sufficient numbers now. It will not work out quickly.

          the problem today is only in the rhythmic supply of power plants for 22350, and they have already begun to arrive at the shipyard. Today, 8 such frigates have already been completed and 2 are already in service. If the engines run rhythmically, the construction cycle of such ships will last no more than 4 - 5 years from laying to delivery. If the rate of laying of two such frigates per year continues, in 2 years the Fleet will be saturated with new ships in sufficient numbers.
          Project 22350M is still an upgraded version of 22350 with an increased displacement with a new, more powerful power plant. All other general ship systems and weapons systems are the same as on 22350, but with increased ammunition. So there should not be any special problems with the launch of the 22350M series, the main thing for this is a new gearbox for the power plant on the M70FRU and M90FR turbines. There are already turbines, it's up to the gearbox. Two new slipways in the new eling in St. Petersburg may start laying the 22350M as early as next year.
          So we have to build ourselves and reach a normal pace, for this we have everything.
          And China is not an assistant to us in such matters, it has proved this since 2015 by joining the Western sanctions and even leading them more proactively and assertively.
          It is not an ally.
          This is a temporary companion, to whom it is better not to turn your back.
      2. Bradley
        Bradley 8 March 2021 13: 51
        +9
        Lt. Air Force reserves - they themselves must build, and not feed orders to the Chinese economy.

        And how many destroyers did Russia build? The country is over 30 years old!
        Here we often laugh at the Ukrainians, that they built destroyers under the Union, cruisers, and now they accept patrol boats.
        What do we have? Destroyers are needed, and full-fledged ones, but none have been laid down, and we do not foresee the laying of such ships. So we will build Frigates and Corvettes.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 8 March 2021 15: 05
          -7
          in Russia they are building SSBNs and SSGNs, and this is more complicated than surface ships.
          and we have a frigate and corvettes in size and capacity as destroyers and frigates in Western countries.
          let's see how our helicopter carriers will master.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 15: 21
            +3
            Quote: Dodikson
            we have a frigate and corvettes in size and capacity as destroyers and frigates in Western countries.

            Who told you such nonsense? Don't you understand that it's ridiculous to compare a corvette with a destroyer? Or, in the heat of a hurray of patriotism, will soon inflatable boats, in terms of capabilities, be equated to aircraft carriers? fool
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 8 March 2021 15: 23
              .
              Monsieur, pull up the materiel and then come to disgrace yourself.
              for it has already been discussed many times that our ships are larger in size than those of potential adversaries and are armed like a ship of a higher class
              mattresses have the same theme with berks, which are essentially the same tekoderogs and are cruisers, not destroyers
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 15: 40
                +6
                Quote: Dodikson
                then come to disgrace yourself.

                No, this is your place. For a person who dared to argue about equal opportunities for a destroyer and a corvette should proudly stand on this pedestal! good
                I understand that the frigate can still be compared to a destroyer at a stretch, but the corvette cannot be stretched in any way. Uryakl’s kitty doesn’t happen in words, doesn’t it? wink
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 8 March 2021 15: 42
                  -5
                  take a Russian language textbook, and then think about the proposal again
                  and we have a frigate and corvettes in size and capacity as destroyers and frigates in Western countries.

                  and then perhaps you will understand that no one compared our corvettes with the destroyers of the west.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 16: 15
                    +2
                    Shame to the victorious? wink Well then, let's start with the dimensions. Our corvettes are +/- 90 meters in size, foreign frigates are almost all over 130 meters.
                    With the size, you frankly sat in a puddle.
                    Opportunities - the corvette is not a ship in the ocean zone, unlike a frigate, it is clearly inferior in armament. Everything is in the public domain, but you keep pushing through a closed gate.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 8 March 2021 16: 22
                      -9
                      lol, frigates such as Fremm, which even the states have chosen and will purchase them, armament 76mm cannon, 2x4 subsonic anti-ship missiles of the Exocet type, 16 cells for the MD / SD 4 TA air defense system.
                      take corvette 20385 - 100mm cannon, 8 UKSK cells, 16 Redoubt cells (SD, in MD mode x4 from above), 8 TA.
                      once again - learn the materiel and do not disgrace
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 16: 37
                        +4
                        Listen, I understand that you are at work, but with your impenetrable cleverness you dishonor not only yourself, but also cast a shadow on the intellectual capacity of all Zaputins.
                        Even the Fremm you mentioned is almost 50 meters longer, Fremm's displacement is more than twice (!) More than the corvettes of the 20380 series.
                        What are the equal sizes and capabilities? fool
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 8 March 2021 17: 43
                        -4
                        as I see comparing Frem's weapons and 20385 you already refuse?
                      3. Cympak
                        Cympak 9 March 2021 14: 15
                        0
                        It is not the armament that determines whether the ship belongs to the far or near sea zone, but seaworthiness and autonomy.
                      4. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 10 March 2021 02: 28
                        0
                        yes, I am aware that they stopped discussing weapons at a warship, for warships the main thing is wave height and the ability to remove confusion for sailors in different ports
    2. Stas1973
      Stas1973 8 March 2021 15: 49
      +3
      With what time frame and with what weapons?
    3. Alexilyin
      Alexilyin 8 March 2021 17: 19
      +4
      in Russia they are building SSBNs and SSGNs, and this is more complicated than surface ships.
      and we have a frigate and corvettes in size and capacity as destroyers and frigates in Western countries.
      let's see how our helicopter carriers will master.
      build. But .... in the event of any trouble, who or what will provide them with combat survivability / endurance? At the exit from the bases, they will be blocked with mines, since the PMO of the bases is close to zero due to the lack of new, modern TSCHIM, etc. (1-2 "modern" ships for the fleet are a farce for the parade). There is no way to provide a full-fledged PLO of bases and orders at sea, patrol areas, etc. Due to the lack of anti-submarine ships, PLO aircraft. Corvettes under construction now do not have the normal means of PLO, GAS, air defense. And if they are equipped with these means, then basically they do not quite meet the requirements and are much inferior to the "analogous" Western means. There are many problems and they need to be addressed in a comprehensive manner. Have a fleet development strategy. And not what we have now, unfortunately.
  2. venik
    venik 8 March 2021 23: 54
    0
    Quote: Bradley
    And how many destroyers did Russia build? The country is over 30 years old!
    Here we often laugh at the Ukrainians, that they built destroyers under the Union, cruisers, and now they accept patrol boats.

    ========
    And today, the Ukrainians are not even able to build corvettes? Where are all these famous Nikolaev factories? Black Sea shipbuilding (at one time - the largest in Europe) - bankrupt! Plant 61 Kommunara - bankrupt! SZ "Ocean" - bankrupt!
    Two corvettes (37% ready) are not completed and will never be completed! Corvettes - ordered in Turkey!
    --------
    What about us?
    =======
    And we have CVDs loaded "to the eyeballs". The Far East "Star" was built (orders for a decade ahead!) .....
    Somewhere like that! hi
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 9 March 2021 03: 35
      +1
      Quote: venik
      And we have a CVD loaded to the eyeballs.
      what ?! hulls "Karakurt", without engines ? !! or super-rugs 20380, at the price of a frigate 11356 R / M (even more), and absent in the composition of weapons, means of combating nuclear submarines, and conditionally operating air defense systems ?! .... or "Grachata", "Raptors" and "Buyany-M", inspire pride in you for the implementation of shipbuilding programs ?! Well than you
      Quote: venik
      loaded to the eyeballs
      ?! five hulls of frigate 22350 ?! None has yet been completed faster than 10-11 YEARS !!!!
      Quote: venik
      The Far East "Star" was built (orders for a decade ahead!) ...
      Yes (!), but only by TANKERS, and not a single ship for the Navy, there is NO TEN YEARS and close !!!!
      How many and which BNKs were repaired or modernized, in less than 4-5 years ?! One "Shaposhnikov" ... ?!... and how many BNK during this time "stopped, exhausting its resource" .... ?!
  3. tech3030
    tech3030 9 March 2021 08: 01
    0
    Not the Ukrainians were building the USSR, it's a huge difference that the Ukrainians are building, we see .... nothing!
  4. bayard
    bayard 9 March 2021 09: 31
    +1
    Quote: Bradley
    What do we have? Destroyers are needed, and full-fledged ones, but none have been laid down, and we do not foresee the laying of such ships.

    And what about the 22350M, which are planning to be laid down next year, is it not a destroyer?
    What is called a "frigate"?
    Its VI and the composition of weapons is equivalent to the early "Burke", and if the number of CDs in the UKSK is brought to 64 (instead of the originally planned 48), then it will be equal in terms of the number of weapons. But in terms of percussion quality, it will already surpass.
    And let him call himself a frigate.
    The Chinese won - they began to rivet full-fledged cruisers, and they call them "destroyers".
    And after the launch of the 22350M series, no one will prevent us from launching such a "destroyer" on 4 turbines M90FR / FRU in VI 12-000 tons with weapons like the modernized "Admiral Nakhimov".
    The main thing now is the engines. And travel gearboxes for them.
    And their production has already begun.
  • Stas1973
    Stas1973 8 March 2021 15: 48
    +2
    Their capabilities will be enough with a margin.
    There is nothing shameful in this.
    It is normal to order hulls with dviglom. Ours in general can not give birth to anything. Only permanent shifts in terms
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 8 March 2021 21: 38
    +6
    Quote: Thrifty
    Tough measures are needed, and for this, the authorities must have a tough and decisive person. ...

  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 8 March 2021 13: 02
    +13
    Hulls can be built in Russia as well, there are not enough gas turbine engines and other goodies. By the way, on March 5, 2021, another floating dock sank in Nakhodka. According to preliminary data, the floating dock sank during the dock operation - when the ship was launched, there were no casualties as a result of the failure of the diesel generator. “It had two diesel generators, the main one and the reserve one, both of them were breathing hard. When the main one failed, the second failed to start, judging by all, it was not working properly, ”the source said. (in fact, the floating dock completely rotted away and ceased to stay on the water due to the Holy Spirit).
    Статьяполностью: https://www.newsvl.ru/accidents/2021/03/05/197534/#ixzz6oVufZtQI

  • Borik
    Borik 8 March 2021 13: 16
    +1
    It is necessary for Russia in China to order the hulls of destroyers, then in Russia to equip electronic radars, etc.


    So our electronics are almost all from China.
    So we will build ships on our own and on our own. , and the Chinese are great, so let's be happy for them.
    And we will hope that in the future, ships of comparable power will be built for our fleet.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 15: 22
      +2
      Quote: Borik
      The Chinese are great, so let's be happy for them.

      Well done, then well done, but no matter how it goes sideways to us.
  • Andylw
    Andylw 8 March 2021 13: 19
    -1
    about Russian electronics - it's funny ... it's a stone age
    Chinese is a generation ahead of Russian
    if we order ships, then with full minced meat
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 March 2021 13: 26
    +3
    "Russia needs to order destroyer hulls in China," ///
    --- '
    So it will be in the next decade.
    Israel also buys hulls of ships and submarines, and puts its own weapons and devices.
    If it is not possible (financially / technically) to do it - buy it.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 8 March 2021 14: 39
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Israel also buys hulls of ships and submarines, and puts its own weapons and devices.
      If it is not possible (financially / technically) to do it - buy it.

      So many EU countries bought ship hulls in Bulgaria and Romania, and then filled them with filling at home, I think it's cheaper ...
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 8 March 2021 13: 40
    +4
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    further, already in Russia, equip with electronics radars, etc.

    The cases are the simplest, they are not a problem to make, the problem is in the filling.
  • mvg
    mvg 8 March 2021 14: 39
    +4
    further, already in Russia, equip with electronics radars, etc.

    In more detail, what are you going to "stuff" the cases with? On 054D / 055 there is an analogue of Aegis, there is a chilled S-300PMU2, an analogue of MK-41, new torpedoes, an analogue of SM-3 HQ-26 (https://avia.pro/news/kitayskiy-hq-26-okazalsya-luchshe -s-400-dalnost-bolshe-skorost-vyshe-cena-nizhe), HQ-10 and automatic machines, analogue of the Goalkeeper.
    What can we offer in return? Calm-1, non-working Polyment or AK-630M crying torpedoes USET and GAK 78 g development?
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 8 March 2021 15: 19
      .
      but what does Polyment have to do with it, is it just a radar? The air defense system is called Redoubt and it works great, like Polyment by the way.
      What cage were you kept in that you were not aware of Pantsir-M, Fizik-2 torpedoes and Case?
      Does China have Zircon? there, with a copy of Onyx, are still kamasutrits
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 8 March 2021 15: 45
        +2
        Quote: Dodikson
        Does China have Zircon?

        there is cooler!
        supersonic df-100 with a range 3 times higher than that of zircon
        aren't you tired of being dishonored here?
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 8 March 2021 16: 04
          -2
          1) supersonic gets off much easier than hypersonic
          2) there is no 3000 km, this is all speculation, such as an assessment in the style of "we think so"
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 8 March 2021 16: 26
            +1
            speculation ???
            this is a two-stage rocket, unlike zircon, which is generally still under testing
            and the df-100 is in service, including on the latest destroyers
            and this range is his confirmed, in contrast to the Zircon 500 km, which he has never flown at all.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 8 March 2021 16: 32
              -2
              confirmed by whom? Baba Dusya at the entrance?
              Chinese Internet publication mil.news.sina.com.cn revealed some details about the newest supersonic strategic cruise missile CJ-100 (Changjian-100 or DF-100) presented at the military parade on October 1 to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the formation of the PRC.

              According to the newspaper "CJ-100" has both strategic and tactical strike potential, is based on a five-axle transport platform (although some Western sources indicate a transport platform with a 10x10 wheel arrangement), with a dual launcher. The missile is equipped with a warhead, a large rocket booster with a variable thrust vector. The maximum missile flight range can exceed 1260 kilometers, and the minimum range is 92-111 kilometers, the flight speed is four times the speed of sound, and the maximum time to reach the target can be about eight minutes.


              1. Andylw
                Andylw 8 March 2021 16: 41
                -2
                about baba dusya - it's about the range of zircon
                but about the Chinese one:
                "DF-100 is a supersonic cruise missile with a flight range of 2-3 thousand kilometers


                Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2743745.html
                Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to the IA REGNUM. "
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 8 March 2021 16: 47
                  -5
                  once again for the gifted. I spit both Psaki and Regnum on the detonator.
                  The missile is Chinese, and the Chinese military and users of military resources know more about Chinese weapons than non-Chinese journalists on American grants.
                  Chinese Internet edition "mil.news.sina.com.cn" revealed some details about the newest supersonic strategic cruise missile "CJ-100" ("Changjian-100" or DF-100) presented at the military parade on October 1 to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PRC.

                  According to the newspaper "CJ-100" has both strategic and tactical strike potential, is based on a five-axle transport platform (although some Western sources indicate a transport platform with a 10x10 wheel arrangement), with a dual launcher. The missile is equipped with a warhead, a large rocket booster with a variable thrust vector. The maximum range of the missile can exceed 1260 kilometers, and the minimum range is 92-111 kilometers., the flight speed is four times the speed of sound, and the maximum flight time to the target can be about eight minutes.

                  Can American bots read selected text?
                  1. Andylw
                    Andylw 8 March 2021 16: 53
                    -4
                    even on this left link of yours, a Chinese rocket in service with 2,5 flies farther than an under-tested zircon, according to Baba Dusi
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 8 March 2021 17: 50
                      -1
                      Th, about 3000km is no more time?
                    2. Andylw
                      Andylw 8 March 2021 19: 15
                      -3
                      of course not time, but the truth we say that the range of df-100 is up to 3000 km
                      and zircon is not at all clear what else is
                    3. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 8 March 2021 20: 20
                      -1
                      Well, here you are right, because 37 kilometers is also UP TO 3000 km.
                      Well, Zircon is also not clear what it is, for the brains of your level it is very difficult.
  • mvg
    mvg 8 March 2021 16: 17
    +2
    The air defense system is called Redoubt and it works great, like Polyment by the way.

    Where does he work if he was taken for 9 years, but he does not knock him down.
    Pantsir-M is a cool thing, the land-based one does not knock anything down, and then there is also the stabilization of the platform ..
    Fuck them Onyx, they have "Caliber-M" called YJ-12/83
    With torpedoes, everything is cool with them, they made copies of the Mk-48 long ago, but the Case and Physicist programs were repeatedly closed, do not know why?
    PS: forget already for Zircon ... everyone has already been defeated, and with Daggers and Daggers and Finks .. and all sorts of others cartoon The petrels ... it remains to give the Zircons of the Central Administration for 1000 km. Have many ships zirconized already?
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 8 March 2021 16: 44
      -4
      darkness. "I've seen mandalays, but this is the first time" "tsoperaid buy Zadornov".
      and Redoubt does not shoot down, although it passed all the last tests, and the shell does not work, although none of the NURSs could fire at Khmeimim (although they tried regularly), unlike mattress bases, which are fired with NURSs more often than the cat Matroskin milked a cow.
      by the way YJ-12 is an aircraft missile, YJ-83 subsonic, analogue of Exocet and Uranus.
      about torpedoes in general gloom the second series. up to this point, I thought that I was dealing with an adequate person.
      but now I see that it's just an American propaganda bot that lies and lies again
      The physicist has been in service for a long time, like Physicist-2, they are finalizing the Case and closing them only in the training manuals of the State Department.
      and lol, we must forget about zircon, armature, Su-57, but we must only remember that we are barbarians, we do not know how to live, and in general we are white slaves, black American masters.
      1. mvg
        mvg 8 March 2021 17: 08
        +1
        although Khmeimim could not fire any of the NURSs (although they tried regularly), in contrast to the mattress bases

        What are NURS ?? What are you speaking about? During the shelling of MLRS and mines, several aircraft, including the Su-35S, went home, in the womb of Ruslan. They knock down Chinese plastic.
        And here is the Chinese Caliber-M


        JY-83 in the final section, accelerates to supersonic, like the Caliber, by the way.
        And for torpedoes, ask the submariners on the site, they saw a lot of physicists ... except on TV. Watch less Zvezda-TV
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 8 March 2021 17: 48
          -1
          lol, monsieur, the shelling of the NURSs at the Khmeimim base did not work, there was a screen of the report on the NURS shot down by the Shell on the network. I believe in you, you can find it (the hint of this screen was noted here and on other resources).
          no Su-35s were taken anywhere, only the Su-24 was more or less seriously damaged. the shelling of the emnip was from a mortar and was never repeated.
          MLRS mattresses are regularly fired at.
          and again, Caliber is NOT Onyx. like the YJ-83.
          and certainly not Zircon.
          torpedoes are purchased, although the number is 15-20 per year. screenshots from public procurement on the network were
          1. mvg
            mvg 8 March 2021 21: 03
            +1
            no Su-35s were taken anywhere, only the Su-24 was more or less seriously damaged. the shelling of the emnip was from a mortar and was never repeated.

            According to Kommersant’s information, that day the air base was fired by radical Islamists, resulting in the destruction of at least seven aircraft: four Su-24 front-line bombers, two Su-35S multipurpose fighters and the An-72 military transport aircraft . More than ten military personnel could be injured.
            https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3514249
            PS: Carapace Foreve ... As he showed his inconsistency at GOS, he shows it in Syria and Libya, he screwed up in Karabakh too.
            In terms of losses, this is not even what I found before. When Ruslan was taking away the Su-35S carcass
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 8 March 2021 21: 15
              -5
              wow, what loud sources, IA rectum, comert.
              Monsieur, that incident has already sucked more than the genitals of the porn actors. there is a photo and video, the biggest damage is the torn rear wing of the Su-24. the rest of the minor damage was repaired right there at the base, and the Su-24 was also repaired at the base.
              and you will tell fairy tales about hundreds of destroyed Kremlin galactic beasts and death stars to grandmothers at the entrance.
              well, and at the same time write that the otake on the mattress bases did not cause any damage, because this is a courageous and gyratic American base, which is masculine atbile fse, and the talents of the Strange doctrine, which mentally pastoralized an energetic count over the base, and saved the fseh of the dimacratic minded Saldat.
              Well, not about American air defense, in fact, to write, even the children have already ceased to believe in this. because there is no damage, no injuries, but in hospitals, for some reason, hundreds are laid up, and for warriors, whose hearts should be all right, for some reason a stroke happens and they die from a stroke, not from shelling. oha ...
  • vadim dok
    vadim dok 8 March 2021 16: 00
    +2
    And where will we get the motors for the hulls? The Navy needs to be built by ourselves!
  • TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 8 March 2021 21: 56
    0
    Namely, you can order what models on Ali Express. It only remains to paint. To be honest, a disgrace, not a comment
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 9 March 2021 13: 05
    0
    Russia is building a series of frigates of Project 22350, and this year the destroyer of Project 22350M will be laid, the BDK and UDC will be laid.

    All this costs a lot of money.

    And to build ships like China, you have to be the second largest economy in the world.

    And what you suggested (to order a case with an engine from China) is nonsense. Russia itself must develop its fleet and build ships itself, creating jobs and gaining experience.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 March 2021 12: 58
    +8
    To be honest, the toad is strangling for good, I had a neighbor who built a car plant in China under Stalin! Now, it remains only to remember that once there was such a time! We would have their pace and capabilities! !!
    1. Proton
      Proton 8 March 2021 13: 06
      +7
      I agree with this.
      I remember how in the 80s all Chinese products were sneakers and T-shirts with panties. In the late 90s, they could do a lot, but the quality was, to put it mildly, not very good. In the 2000s, China developed in huge strides.
      Last time I was there in 2014. - it was then already a powerful power, the Chinese were very proud of their country.
      The economy is the locomotive of any country. Defense capacity is almost directly tied to the economy.
      1. rjpthju
        rjpthju 8 March 2021 13: 27
        +10
        China in the 70s was famous for its textiles (Druzhba factory), gym shoes (our guy in practice crashed in the mountains. The sneakers are whole - black humor), and of course a thermos. And that's all. 36 years (since 1985) lost by Russia. Whole life... . We live on the groundwork that was made before. Technology has been lost, sold. The specialists either left for the West (China), or engaged in another business that helped to survive. Someone got drunk. The country is being plundered, everything is taken out, taken out ... Damn, how would the people live with a normal owner in the country! And China has been developing for these 36 years. There used to be many Chinese restaurants in the Far East. Now almost gone. It is not profitable, we are already beggars, in comparison with them.
        1. Proton
          Proton 8 March 2021 13: 31
          +4
          Exactly!
          I forgot about the thermos! They are so colorful, bright.
          We also have Chinese catering establishments in Siberia. True, often, this is already only part of the corporation (such as a cafe at a Chinese hotel, etc.)
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 8 March 2021 13: 49
      +6
      It's just a difference in the development of the country under the Communist Party, and colossal degradation under the bourgeoisie .. Judging by the tendency, they will soon catch up with us to a flint chopper and digging sticks. And this is from the position of one of the two superpowers on the planet !!! But this is not surprising - we are all aware of the paradigm that we do not need to produce anything except raw materials, the rest will be bought in the blessed West ..
    3. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 8 March 2021 15: 26
      -5
      The Chinese Communist Party is 100 years old. And finally they announced that poverty has been eliminated in the country.
      The sum is called in yuan, translated into our rubles it is 23 rubles per year. IN YEAR.
      This is the kind of poverty that, 100 years later, was finally eliminated.
      And where would China be without Western technologies and Western sales markets?
      They were lucky, they were not taken seriously as a military adversary, and no investments came to the economy of the former USSR except their own. And China outwitted everyone, its main trump card is huge human resources, was not marked by the West as a danger.
      In general, China has built a dishonest economy, one theft of technology and forgery of brands, consumer deception.
      This is the essence of piracy and scam. The Soviet Union would not have done that, it’s a shame in reality.
      1. DMi
        DMi 8 March 2021 16: 09
        +4
        23 t. Average monthly salary in China PER MONTH, not a year. Look on YouTube, it breaks many myths about China.
        1. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 9 March 2021 22: 36
          0
          No, exactly a year.
          In 2010, the Chinese government set the poverty line as an annual income of 2300 yuan (about $ 356). Since then, this value has increased several times and now stands at 4000 yuan per year (about $ 620) for rural residents. To what extent this figure corresponds to the realities of modern China is a debatable question.
          This is the income of the poorest stratum of China, this is the minimum income, such as our minimum. In general, these are remote villages, but imagine, they are, or rather were. Only now has it been declared about the elimination of precisely this poverty. And therefore she was.
          the recommended poverty line for each group of countries. China, according to this version, belongs to the economies with a high level of average income, therefore, according to the version of this international institution, the recommended poverty threshold there should be not $ 1,7, but $ 5,5 per day.

          For themselves, they accepted this norm in yuan, equating themselves, in fact, a country claiming to be the 2nd place, in terms of the income level of some developing countries. In fact, they have a different norm (higher), since their economy is not a developing country, but a fully developed one. But they cannot overcome that norm yet. In fact, China has the strongest stratification of the population in terms of income.
          This is the answer to the first objection.
          On the second and third questions, there are probably no objections. China would not exist without Western technologies and investments, obtained legally and stolen. And their business is built on fraud in everything. Enough for him to sing praises! The USSR did not make such fakes! We had quality control department and a struggle for quality and we did not have such a cult of profit.
          In other words, China is reproached for the fact that its national poverty criteria are already very outdated. Talking about a victory over poverty, equaling Rwanda or Eritrea by standards, is not very solid. And for the second economy in the world, it is completely bad manners. But the PRC authorities, apparently, have no illusions about this.

          https://tass.ru/opinions/10790289
          1. DMi
            DMi 10 March 2021 19: 15
            0
            Local admins overwritten the author's name. Very strange censorship however. Well, type on YouTube "myths about china" or otstalvy china. You will find it. A person worked there for 10 years in different positions and in different structures
      2. TAMBU
        TAMBU 8 March 2021 17: 12
        +2
        a month ... not a year
  • Andylw
    Andylw 8 March 2021 13: 17
    -4
    main armament - supersonic df-100 with a range of 3000 km
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 March 2021 13: 21
    +3
    Let's start with the fact that the Chinese build ships in their shipyards in three shifts. And rightly so they say that everything depends on the engine and gearboxes for them. One set per year where it is suitable. Until new production areas from subcontractors to shipyards are built, we one place.
  • knn54
    knn54 8 March 2021 13: 22
    0
    Installed radar with an active phased antenna array Type 517M.
    The Dalai Lama's opinion on the name is interesting ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 8 March 2021 13: 31
    0
    The German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel proposed that Europe influence China by creating an alliance similar to those that formed in the XNUMXth century to "contain" the Soviet Union and ensure "peace and freedom" in Western Europe. The publication emphasizes that the PRC demonstrates "imperial claims to hegemony" in Asia ..... It is not China that is integrated into their economies, but they are into it.
    If something happened, not that without smartphones, without panties ... it’s some kind of stagnation in the brain ... laughing
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 March 2021 14: 08
      +6
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      If something happened, not that without smartphones, without panties ... it’s some kind of stagnation in the brain ...

      Suddenly! The largest OEMs are not located in China.
      Global Foundries, TSMC, Foxconn.
      Xiaomi, OnePlus, Huawei are manufactured in the American-Singaporean Foxcon.
      And if Qualcomm slaughters the supply of proc to the Chinese, what will happen to Chinese smartphones? Huawei's HiSilicon manufactures processors under license from the British Arm. What will happen to him if they are deprived of the new Cortex?
      Huawei phone sales around the world have already collapsed after the ban on Google-Facebook services. And their vaunted HarmoniOS turned out to be a redesigned Android.
      I am by no means underestimating China, but it should not be overestimated either.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 8 March 2021 13: 52
    +5
    By the way, in the background they were still commissioned 17 destroyer 052D - 123 Huainan. This is the fourth destroyer in a long sub-series.



    1. t-12
      t-12 8 March 2021 14: 17
      +7
      They are baked like pies:
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 8 March 2021 14: 20
        +1
        Because they do not have such corruption, and whoever gets caught will face the death penalty.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 8 March 2021 15: 10
          -3
          and then who will be executed if there is no corruption?
          1. rjpthju
            rjpthju 8 March 2021 19: 52
            +1
            It also says: such corruption (it does not say that there is no corruption), further in the text.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 8 March 2021 20: 19
              -5
              nonsense is written there, because according to his logic, corruption should become lower and lower every year, and they shoot about the fact the same number every year, that is, there is no reduction in executions on the topic of theft.
              so what is the value of the shootings? and to write that without this corruption would be even higher about any business, for example, about baking homemade pies, or making vanilla ice cream.
              for example - thanks to homemade pies in Russia, corruption is less than if homemade pies were not baked, or vanilla ice cream directly affects the level of corruption, if it were not made, even children in kindergarten would steal.
              and try to argue.
  • Clone
    Clone 8 March 2021 14: 19
    +1
    "And, they say, what are we going to do with them now? Stalin took the pipe out of his mouth, thought a little and said:" What will we, what will we ... we will envy! " (from)
    The reason for the quote, of course, is completely different, but very appropriate.
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 8 March 2021 14: 19
    0
    Well done, you can immediately see that the economy does not work on paper. At the moment, Russia cannot build anything of the kind, and yet it has in excess of income from the sale of natural resources.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 March 2021 14: 23
      +4
      The entire budget of Russia
      2021 - revenues: 18,8 trillion rubles, expenses: 21,52 trillion rubles, forecasted GDP: 115,53 trillion rubles;
      2022 - revenues: 20,6 trillion rubles, expenses: 21,88 trillion rubles, forecasted GDP: 124,22 trillion rubles;
      2023 - revenues: 22,3 trillion rubles, expenses: 23,67 trillion rubles, forecasted GDP: 132,82 trillion rubles.

      China decided to increase its defense budget
      According to RT, the military budget will be equal to 209 billion... In local currency, it is 1,356 billion yuan.

      As you can see, China's military budget is not much less than the entire annual budget of Russia.
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 8 March 2021 15: 01
        0
        the question is why so? maybe because a huge part of Russian income is consumed by corruption and they go past the treasury. In China, the death penalty for corruption.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 8 March 2021 15: 09
          -4
          so in China every year bureaucrats are shot for theft, with hundreds and thousands EVERY year, but if they shoot EVERY year, it means they steal EVERY year. so why do they steal every year, if they shoot every year?
          maybe the shootings do not help, otherwise why are the shootings continuing?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 15: 31
            +3
            Quote: Dodikson
            so why do they steal every year, if they shoot every year?

            If you turned your head on and inquired about the history of corruption in China, a lot would be revealed to you. Without the shootings, the level of corruption would have been higher than ours, with their oriental mentality. wink
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 8 March 2021 15: 33
              +1
              would ...
              they steal not because they are afraid of punishment, but because they think it will work.
              if the punishment was inevitable, then they would be afraid to steal even if the term would be a couple of years.
              this topic was discussed in detail 10 years ago.
              even if the executions are canceled, nothing will change. NOTHING
        2. Shraik
          Shraik 9 March 2021 17: 18
          0
          The population of China is 10 times that of Russia. It is not surprising that the budget is higher there and more ships are being built. Banal mathematics.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 15: 29
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        As you can see, China's military budget is not much less than the entire annual budget of Russia.

        Is it because over the past 2 years Russia has invested more than 70 billion in Chinese securities. dollars?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 March 2021 16: 02
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Is it because over the past 2 years Russia has invested more than 70 billion in Chinese securities. dollars?

          Or is it because China has invested more than a trillion dollars in US securities?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 March 2021 16: 21
            +1
            If China has money to spare, it's up to them where to invest. We do not have enough money on all counts. Spending on science, medicine and even the military budget was cut. And at the same time, they are buying Chinese treasuries. Don't you think this is not logical?
    2. rjpthju
      rjpthju 8 March 2021 19: 57
      0
      No wonder, even in the 2012 film, the director instructed the Chinese to build a rescue flotilla. And the speed with which the Chinese produce everything has become a parable.
  • Niko
    Niko 8 March 2021 17: 35
    +3
    Powerful economy. Theft in the government and among officials is much less than in the post-USSR. There are enough brains. The country shows its Greatness and does not shout about it. Everything is logical
  • fa2998
    fa2998 8 March 2021 17: 48
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    Lt. Air Force reserves - they themselves must build, and not feed orders to the Chinese economy.

    Yes, we have been building for a long time - a ship of 2-3 thousand tons - a few years. And people like China have not launched for 40 years.
    Who knew, we delivered trucks to China. Yes, and ALL post-war weapons are ours or copies. We learned and overtook them at the turn. recourse hi
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 March 2021 18: 38
      +3
      By the way, the Chinese have already started implementing the Guo Wang program - they will withdraw 12 992 satellite. There will be Internet no worse than those of Mask and OneWeb. wink So by the year 28-30, there will be simply man-made rings in orbit like Saturn. wassat

      Also in a month, the start of the first module of the Chinese station. We have already assembled the program.


      Well, the Martian spacecraft is taking pictures in high quality - now the sites will be filmed and they will try to land (April 23, according to the schedule).



      So they twine in all directions wink
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 9 March 2021 00: 56
    -3
    Is it really possible to build project 21956 for us? At least 6 things ...

    https://www.aoosk.ru/products/project-21956/
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 9 March 2021 14: 25
      -1
      Project 21956 - morally obsolete, only 1 antenna post of the SOS SAM S-300FM. It is necessary to take as a basis the Chinese project 055 and build with our power plant (gas turbine), weapons and REV.