"They are working on the Battle of the Ice": users sneer at the "Arctic training" in the Swedish army

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The Swedish Armed Forces continue training under the so-called "Arctic training" program.

Earlier, the Swedish military command stated that if we consider the probable direction of a future armed conflict, then the Arctic region and the Baltic Sea can become the main direction. At the same time, when discussing a potential conflict in Stockholm, Russia is routinely presented as an adversary. And they often speak directly about it.



Recently, the Swedish armed forces were trained in "survival in difficult climatic conditions." One of the stages of such training is practicing actions in case a fighter falls through the ice.

The servicemen found themselves in cold water - in a specially cut ice hole. The task assigned to them was to get out of the water as soon as possible. The time was recorded.

Officer-instructor of the Swedish army:

You need to learn to cope with temperature shock, as well as with panic. After a failure under the ice, you need to take a breath, not to panic, assess the situation and only after that make efforts to save yourself.

It was noted that civilians, who received special instructions on the rules of behavior on the ice, could also train together with the military personnel.

Officer-instructor:

We explained that when crossing a water obstacle covered with ice, you need to make sure that the ice is at least 10 cm thick.You need to have a rope, a pair of knives or large nails with you, with which you can fix the ice edge if the body is in the water. Then it will be possible with the help of such devices to pull up and get out.



Online users are ironic about the exercises of the Swedish army:

Apparently, they are working on the Battle of the Ice. Although there was the Livonian Order, but still ...

And if he goes under the ice in full gear, what size nails should he have with him?
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    +5
    5 March 2021 16: 12
    Apparently, they are working on the Battle of the Ice. Although there was the Livonian Order, but still ...

    And if he goes under the ice in full gear, what size nails should he have with him?

    The message of the direction of the discussion is given.
    1. +22
      5 March 2021 16: 22
      Silly comments. Surely, there were smarter ones, but the author decided to use these.
      Training and exercises have never been superfluous in any army in the world! Moreover, in "native" climatic conditions.
      1. +6
        5 March 2021 16: 51
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Silly comments. Surely, there were smarter ones, but the author decided to use these.

        Pepper is clear. The people, as expected, will bite at the # ice battle tag and it will begin to swell in the spirit of "how-our-grandfathers-their-grandfathers-under-the-ice-let-go". They will, of course, go through the general failure of NATO and finish, as usual, #Arktikanash. There is nothing, they say, to do there.
        1. +14
          5 March 2021 17: 18
          Jews forgot to mention :)
          1. +3
            5 March 2021 17: 27
            Quote: Truth
            Jews forgot to mention :)

            yes no, the work of comrade Eisenstein here is generally satisfied laughing
        2. -1
          5 March 2021 19: 37
          Well, the very first workaholics of the #Jerusalimnash party on VO got too excited. Not a single "news", so that the regulars around the clock are not immediately sketched here. Your-grandfathers-their-grandfathers-on-shore-sold laughing laughing laughing
        3. Cry
          +1
          6 March 2021 06: 35
          We are talking about the Arctic, not Lake Peipsi, not about Chuds, but about the Leader of the Redskins, but the Swedes (Svei) have nothing to do with the Norwegian and Icelandic Vikings (Thor Heyerdahl). Moreover, they have access only to the Baltic Sea.
          1. -1
            6 March 2021 08: 52
            Quote: Choro
            but the Swedes (svei) have nothing to do with the Norse and Icelandic Vikings

            However, it was the Swedes who invented the ridiculous accessory with horns for the Vikings in the 19th century)
            1. Cry
              0
              7 March 2021 06: 58
              and they live with these horns (Hollywood) in a nook of the Baltic, from where it is far to the Atlantic.
      2. +6
        5 March 2021 17: 50
        I agree with the Leader! You should never consider others worse than yourself!
    2. +6
      5 March 2021 16: 25
      laugh where? we all fished in the "zkstirim", .. this is a diagnosis - a fisherman ... fell through, dried up and back on the ice ... business is ... trivial ..
      1. 0
        5 March 2021 17: 02
        Quote: Aerodrome
        laugh where? we all fished in the "zkstirim", .. this is a diagnosis - a fisherman ... fell through, dried up and back on the ice ... business is ... trivial ..

        Normal winter fishing ...
        For 15 years my father and I left for the Urals. Until the simple traffic police posts, which passed for a bottle of vodka and 10 packs of "Prima", were replaced by the Kazakh customs, our customs, some mummers' Cossack posts (moreover, the police were standing nearby). And next to each is a mountain 2-2,5 meters of pike perch (on the first ice) or a vobla-asp (on the last ice). And, which is typical, all the oncoming shops in the villages on the way to the house with frozen fish under the ceiling are packed cheaply. Coincidence?
        They stopped traveling when they brought 500 kilograms of fish for two for 25 miles - the rest was taken away at the posts. And the posts could not go around the steppe - they had to go to the PAZik.

        The father said that he did not understand the beauty of winter fishing, who had never "bathed". Now is the time - the vobla is going from Kushum to the Urals. The ice is loose, "plays", gets wet through like a cake soaked in cognac by a conscientious pastry chef. These "bathing" were not considered extreme, but they walked on the ice two by two. From the "rescue means" - a piece of alpsnur - "eight" meters 6-7.
        He laughed heartily about nails. The Swedes should be advised to carry a couple of boards about three meters each along the ice. Helps with "bathing" healthy. Well, and a box of nails, of course ... laughing
        1. +2
          5 March 2021 17: 44
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          He laughed heartily about nails.

          I didn't understand nichrome either ... I'm not trying to figure out how I will drive these nails in, even if I get them out, and what is the difference with floundering without nails - the hold will not change much ... It is the rope and crawling. What kind of nails ?!
          1. +1
            5 March 2021 18: 50
            Two ice instruments, or fifa and cats to the pile laughing , and nails, this is only if the coffin is then nailed.
        2. for
          0
          5 March 2021 19: 10
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          The Swedes should be advised to carry a couple of boards about three meters each along the ice.

          Advice from personal experience?
          1. +2
            5 March 2021 21: 05
            Quote: for
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            The Swedes should be advised to carry a couple of boards about three meters each along the ice.

            Advice from personal experience?

            Not. At the school near the gym there were OSVOD posters on rescuing drowning people. From personal experience, as I said above, go fishing in pairs (I went with my father) and a nylon alps cord.
            1. +1
              6 March 2021 06: 27
              So now no one wants to believe Comrade Zoldat's posters ....... this is a relic of the past ... and Lavrov's phrase! hi
      2. 0
        5 March 2021 19: 41
        Throughout his long life he went fishing 20 times on the "first ice", and in the spring on loose ice, under the ice he fell through and nothing, got out, though three times with the help of comrades. So the clothes there were appropriate, not wetsuits bully
  2. -8
    5 March 2021 16: 14
    laughing And fill his pockets with bullets.
  3. -10
    5 March 2021 16: 14
    Apparently, they are working on the Battle of the Ice. Although there was the Livonian Order, but still ..

    Let them remember how their ancestors, our ancestors lowered them under the ice.
    1. -5
      5 March 2021 16: 54
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Let them remember how their ancestors, our ancestors lowered them under the ice.

      they have this myth about the "massacre" in the textbooks allotted two lines. This is our petty border skirmish that was promoted to an epic battle of Eisenstein's scale.
      1. 0
        5 March 2021 16: 58
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        they have this myth about the "massacre" in the textbooks allotted two lines.

        And they always have in the west, when they cleaned their face, then only two lines. And if they have cleaned up, they still sing the praises.
        1. +1
          5 March 2021 17: 10
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And they always have in the west, when they cleaned their face, then only two lines. And if they have cleaned up, they still sing the praises.

          Fair enough. And what is true for everyone - Victoria prefer to procrastinate, and not "oops ..."
          For example, the shame under Narva of 1700 is not particularly remembered and cosplayed by our reenactors, right? And the Swedes rightfully consider their victory to be brilliant.
          1. +1
            5 March 2021 17: 16
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            For example, the shame under Narva of 1700 is not particularly remembered and cosplayed by our reenactors, right? And the Swedes rightfully consider their victory to be brilliant.

            As well as how many films and books about the greatest Napoleon, how he won, but how he fled from Moscow to Paris, and how the Cossacks of Kutuzov's grandfather watered their horses from the Seine, there is nothing about this.
          2. 0
            5 March 2021 17: 23
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            And the Swedes rightfully consider their victory to be brilliant.
            And what is brilliant about it? The Wehrmacht in 1941-42 also had brilliant victories, but what's the point if it all ended with a red flag over the Reichstag?
            And by the way, the Swedes, having received five times from Russia on the nose for as much as 200 years, forgot about the war and went into deaf neutrality. What, memory began to fade and you wanted new people, or do you think that modern Sweden is a real enemy of the Russian Federation? For how many rounds will the Swedish army last in a one-on-one confrontation, personally, without any pathos, I believe that everything will end with a knockout in the first round, the weight categories are completely incomparable from the word.
            1. -4
              5 March 2021 17: 38
              Quote: Alex_1973
              And what is brilliant about it?

              Weird question. Read it.
              Quote: Alex_1973
              What, the memory began to fade and I wanted new people

              Did you draw this conclusion from your survival lessons?
            2. 0
              5 March 2021 19: 54
              Quote: Alex_1973
              For how many rounds will the Swedish army last in a one-on-one confrontation, personally, without any pathos, I believe that everything will end with a knockout in the first round, the weight categories are completely incomparable from the word.

              If the weight categories are not comparable, then why compare them? You would also compare with the Vatican, by God.
              As in a joke:
              - Mom, today at school we measured our reproductive organs, and I have the biggest one!
              - Of course, son. You're a teacher.
    2. -1
      5 March 2021 20: 03
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Let them remember how their ancestors, our ancestors lowered them under the ice.

      And what about the ancestors? Let's omit the Swedes right now! To the bottom lines in the ranking in terms of living standards. And we ourselves will ascend to the top! Let's not shame the memory of our ancestors! And how much can our ancestors support us with their achievements from the past?
  4. +3
    5 March 2021 16: 18
    And you also need to have a brace and a tape measure with you in order to measure the thickness of the ice. And about the nails in general, a masterpiece, it is necessary to purchase a box of 250 nails for the command
    1. -3
      5 March 2021 18: 08
      Quote: dimy44
      And you also need to have a brace and a tape measure with you in order to measure the thickness of the ice.

      Gee ... the 21st century is in the yard - they monitor the thickness from the drone))
  5. -8
    5 March 2021 16: 22
    Let them train and remember their history ..! Alexander Nevsky and Peter the Great are happy)))) Maybe there they will see their ancestors under the ice wassat
  6. +5
    5 March 2021 16: 31
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Apparently, they are working on the Battle of the Ice. Although there was the Livonian Order, but still ..

    Let them remember how their ancestors, our ancestors lowered them under the ice.

    Alas, there was no such precedent.
    1. +4
      5 March 2021 16: 54
      Not everyone is able to distinguish a Swede from a German, and the Battle of the Neva from the Battle of the Ice. Unified State Exam!
    2. -4
      5 March 2021 17: 02
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Alas, there was no such precedent.

      And who said that there was no ???
      1. 0
        5 March 2021 17: 15
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And who said that there was no ???

        Director of the Museum of the Battle of the Ice V. Potresov:
        The Livonians did not drown in Lake Peipsi.

        Do you still believe in Eisenstein's version? Seriously? laughing
        1. -4
          5 March 2021 17: 38
          The Livonians did not drown in Lake Peipsi.
          Well, of course, there was no Battle of the Ice, there was no Tatar-Mongol invasion, there was nothing at all. Alternatives fool - this is a diagnosis of atrophy of the brain, though if it was there at all ... laughing
          1. +2
            5 March 2021 17: 43
            Quote: Alex_1973
            Well, of course, there was no Battle of the Ice

            He didn’t say there wasn’t. He said that the Livonians did not go under any kind of ice. Can't you see the difference?
            Quote: Alex_1973
            this is a diagnosis of brain atrophy, though if it was there at all ..

            Lighter, lighter. Do you also consider Karaev's expedition a walk of brainless alternative workers from the Academy of Sciences?
  7. -1
    5 March 2021 16: 32
    Now I'm wondering, but try to plan military actions without going out on the ice in any way? They like to do exotic things in NATO.
    Their entire doctrine is aimed at hitting the enemy on his territory with his own in contactless battles. And here it is.
    Apparently, all these precise fusions are not as effective and effective, or there are too few of them and they are too expensive.
    They will prepare for the winter war, and it will be in the summer. Here's a bummer.
    There is nothing good old infantry in the army formations.
    1. -2
      5 March 2021 19: 46
      Quote: mark2
      I’m wondering, but try to plan military actions without going out on the ice in any way?

      And what does the planning of military operations have to do with it? Can't this happen on a regular patrol?
      Quote: mark2
      Their whole doctrine is aimed at hitting the enemy on his territory.

      Don't write nonsense, dear. Defense doctrine of the Swedes implies resistance to invasion by mobile rapid reaction teams, what, nafig, "his territory"?
  8. -4
    5 March 2021 16: 34
    a water obstacle covered with ice, you need to make sure that the ice is at least 10 cm thick. You must have a rope, a couple of knives or large nails with you, with which you can fix the ice edge if the body is in the water. Then it will be possible with the help of such devices to pull up and get out.

    Clear. Fans of winter fishing on a note.
    1. -5
      5 March 2021 17: 08
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Clear. Fans of winter fishing on a note.

      Let our guys from St. Petersburg teach them.
      1. +2
        5 March 2021 17: 11
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Let our guys from St. Petersburg teach them.

        what? Will the Emergencies Ministry's number be given? So in Sweden not 112. They will not get through.
        1. -5
          5 March 2021 17: 21
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          what? Will the Emergencies Ministry's number be given? So in Sweden not 112. They will not get through.

          Why number 112, the guys sit quietly and fish, so let the Swedes join them, and there will be no need to climb through the ice holes. Survival school, and it's not a bad option yet.
          1. +4
            5 March 2021 18: 35
            Why number 112, the guys sit quietly and fish,


            Dozens are drowning every winter. Recently live. And a lake inside the city, and crowds of people. And they even threw the rope. True, someone did not forget to take pictures on a mobile phone. Rumbled for about five minutes - and that's it, and the drowning weakened. The depth is a couple of meters, from coast to coast 40 steps.
            They didn't even think of making a loop on the rope. Everything looked like crazed chickens in a henhouse. Shouts, vanity - and the result.
            1. -1
              5 March 2021 19: 31
              Quote: dauria
              I dabbled for about five minutes - and that's it, weakened and drowned

              Five minutes and hypothermia, whether it's a drowning or not, it's still death.
      2. -2
        5 March 2021 17: 42
        Aerobatics, they didn't even wet their feet. The secrets of St. Petersburg levitation?
        1. +1
          5 March 2021 17: 59
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Aerobatics, they didn't even wet their feet. The secrets of St. Petersburg levitation?

          And in Arkhangelsk you walk the same way along the Dvina. The pilot yells, "Master, back off, we will wash away the fishermen!"
          Although there were cases when it seems in 1990 in the Curonian Spit the whole field was torn off in the sea, within an hour everything was finished. It was officially announced that about 300 people died, and those who survived say at least 3000 people.
          One of them was my 2nd navigator Borya. In the Hapsalu Bay in the early 70s, only six of ours drowned.
          1. +1
            5 March 2021 18: 12
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Although there were cases when it seems in 1990 in the Curonian Spit the whole field was torn off in the sea, within an hour everything was finished. It is officially announced that about 300 people died, and those who survived say at least 3000 people. One of them was my 2 navigator Borya. In the Hapsalu Bay in the early 70s, only six of ours drowned.

            Fuck. I am amazed at the persistence of these hedgehogs, who gnaw a cactus every winter. Moreover, each of these hobbyists considers some parkourists or hookers to be idiots, but not themselves.
            1. +1
              5 March 2021 19: 27
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Fuck. I am amazed at the persistence of these hedgehogs, who gnaw a cactus every winter.

              I am also amazed. My comrade, Borya was striving for this, as it were, and others. Once we went to the spit, from the side of the bay to the ice smelt, caught 10 liters. Suddenly the motto, went to the sea to catch flounder with a "fool". And the sea is not a bay, it "lives". We grabbed a plastic sled and let's go, Tsakhaichik and I, not fans of "driving adrenaline", sat down on the bank under an oak tree, and warmed ourselves on the fire. Three hours passed, already the last ferry to Klaipeda, in half an hour. They appeared joyful, contented and with a flounder. From their conversations, I realized that they were fishing at the edge of the sea. Then you were lucky, but you can't pull an old woman with a scythe by the hem.
              1. -2
                5 March 2021 19: 35
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Then you were lucky, but you can't pull an old woman with a scythe by the hem.

                that's it.
                1. 0
                  5 March 2021 19: 37
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  that's it.

                  This is a disease, and it is not treated either.
  9. 0
    5 March 2021 16: 36
    What is shown in the wonderful film "Alexander Nevsky", which I love very much (but only as a work of art) does not correspond to reality. There was a clash with knights, but there were from 30 to 50. And several hundred mercenaries. Why so few? Yes, the fact is that there were only less than 200 of them (TOTAL available throughout Livonia) laughing http://deusvult.ru/30-chislennost-bratev-tevtonskogo-ordena.html
    1. +1
      5 March 2021 17: 01
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      there were from 30 to 50

      Yeah, and these two platoons of Teutons, together with the Landsknechts, took Pskov and burned it. So what?
      There is no exact number of troops in this (ice) battle, but historians estimate the number of Teutons at 10-12000, and Alexander Nevsky's regiments at 15000.
      Your assessment is much more original, in the sense of more surprising.
    2. -5
      5 March 2021 17: 30
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      There was a clash with knights, but there were from 30 to 50. And several hundred mercenaries. Why so few? Yes, the fact is that there were only less than 200 of them (TOTAL available throughout Livonia)

      Now the Western media and our liberal people will write whatever you want (and supposedly they were there themselves). I will not be surprised that in a few years "reliable facts" will appear that Alexander Nevsky lost the Battle on the Ice, and in 10 years they will write that there was no such prince at all. Or remind you that according to Western statements, the WWII was won by the Americans, and they took Berlin, and the Battle of Kursk was not won by the Soviet Army.
      1. for
        0
        5 March 2021 23: 52
        Quote: tihonmarine
        and supposedly they were there themselves

        Yes, remember we stood next to.
  10. -1
    5 March 2021 16: 39
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    a water obstacle covered with ice, you need to make sure that the ice is at least 10 cm thick. You must have a rope, a couple of knives or large nails with you, with which you can fix the ice edge if the body is in the water. Then it will be possible with the help of such devices to pull up and get out.

    Clear. Fans of winter fishing on a note.

    The paragraph is the clue to everything. laughing laughing
  11. +2
    5 March 2021 16: 47
    Normal workout, won't hurt anyone. In our army, not everyone knows how to swim.
  12. -5
    5 March 2021 16: 47
    Quote: mark2
    Now I'm wondering, but try to plan military actions without going out on the ice in any way? They like to do exotic things in NATO.
    Their entire doctrine is aimed at hitting the enemy on his territory with his own in contactless battles. And here it is.
    Apparently, all these precise fusions are not as effective and effective, or there are too few of them and they are too expensive.
    They will prepare for the winter war, and it will be in the summer. Here's a bummer.
    There is nothing good old infantry in the army formations.

    One word sadomasochists and perverts. And if he goes under the ice in full gear, what size nails should he have with him? laughing
  13. 0
    5 March 2021 17: 15
    Yes, one cannot survive without a pair of knives in our time.
  14. +7
    5 March 2021 17: 25
    normal and correct training
    In general, it is useful to have such skills without any connection with the army, even
    1. +3
      5 March 2021 17: 44
      Quote: Avior
      In general, it is useful to have such skills without any connection with the army, even

      rightly so. hi
  15. -3
    5 March 2021 17: 33
    Quote: Galleon
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    there were from 30 to 50

    Yeah, and these two platoons of Teutons, together with the Landsknechts, took Pskov and burned it. So what?
    There is no exact number of troops in this (ice) battle, but historians estimate the number of Teutons at 10-12000, and Alexander Nevsky's regiments at 15000.
    Your assessment is much more original, in the sense of more surprising.

    In fact, local "liberals" opened the gates to Pskov, expelling the pro-Russians from there. laughingWhat was it was. I do not think that most of the Pskovites thought about sovereignty - rather, the city nobility, headed by Tverdila Ivanokovich, aspired to it, who opened the gates to the invaders, hoping to get his piece of the pie. Traitors are everywhere and at all times. True, rare historians glorify them. The same l <ta <6748 [1240]> took Nѣmtsi, medvѣzhan, Yuryevtsi, Veliadtsi with Prince Yaroslav Volodymyrich Izborsko. And you will come to Plskov, as if taking Nѣmtsi Izborsk; and I vyidosha pskovichi all, and beish with them, and I won Nmtsi. The same killed Gavril Gorislalich to the governor; but pskovych gonyache, beat a lot, and inѣkh with his hands removed. And he brought the city up, and lit everything up; and there was a lot of evil: churches and honest icons and books and euangelies were also burned; and there are a lot of idle villages near Plskov. And standing near the city I do not, but I did not take the city; but children poimasha have good husbands in the hoists, and went away to other things; and so there was no world: byahu boo transfer holding from Nѣmtsi the Plskovichs, and they brought them up / l.128. and inii plskovichi vbѣzhash to Novgorod with their wives and children.
  16. +10
    5 March 2021 17: 34
    I do not understand the "sport" of bullying neutral Swedes on every occasion. They train - and they do the right thing. Whether in the service or in civilian life - such skills can save life or health. And it wouldn’t hurt our conscripts to arrange such trainings.
    We didn’t jump into the hole in the school, but in the compartment for the fight for survivability with the February water we rested hard. It is true that in the first seconds there is a shock, but you have to take yourself in hand, your boys are nearby. But when it really fell into a frozen and powdered hole in winter, the first thought was: "Oh, what a warm water!" - the frost was 15-18 degrees. A friend helped to get out and ordered: "Run." So they ran to his house.
    Another was the case, the end of the mooring on the barrel was wound up in the Baltic in winter, the sailor fell out of the boat. The battalion commander of the Kyrgyz Republic commanded the boat, immediately seated the wet fighter by the oar - "row!" I didn't even get a runny nose.
    1. +2
      5 March 2021 17: 45
      Quote: Galleon
      I do not understand the "sport" of bullying neutral Swedes on every occasion. They train - and they do the right thing. Whether in the service or in civilian life - such skills can save life or health. And it wouldn’t hurt our conscripts to arrange such trainings.

      Speak correctly.
  17. +1
    5 March 2021 17: 40
    Fortunately, our countries have not been at war for over 200 years. During this time, Sweden did not wage a single war at all. And the results of the centuries-old Russian-Swedish confrontation are as follows: 5 victories of Russia, 3 draws and 2 victories of Sweden. It would be nice if the score in the military confrontation did not change.
  18. -8
    5 March 2021 17: 42
    It is difficult to live in the north for a small macaque. Paws freeze to hairy s.rake.
  19. -3
    5 March 2021 18: 25
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    There was a clash with knights, but there were from 30 to 50. And several hundred mercenaries. Why so few? Yes, the fact is that there were only less than 200 of them (TOTAL available throughout Livonia)

    Now the Western media and our liberal people will write whatever you want (and supposedly they were there themselves). I will not be surprised that in a few years "reliable facts" will appear that Alexander Nevsky lost the Battle on the Ice, and in 10 years they will write that there was no such prince at all. Or remind you that according to Western statements, the WWII was won by the Americans, and they took Berlin, and the Battle of Kursk was not won by the Soviet Army.

    In short, be careful when cornering.
    1. 0
      5 March 2021 18: 33
      on the first ice, when only snowballs the ice, Santa is still 0,5-2.0 cm "breathing" into the holes, and walking "glasses" ... perch takes the very TOT! who is not in the subject, -by ...
  20. -8
    5 March 2021 18: 59
    With such dolbosvedas, or Swedes, even dolbohokhlov have nothing to fear.
    1. +4
      5 March 2021 19: 13
      Quote: magdama
      With such idiots

      and why, in fact, "dolbo-"?
      Dolbo is just the one who considers the acquisition of useful skills a waste of time or a desire to scare someone.
  21. -9
    5 March 2021 19: 03
    Sorry. I have long wanted to say. Dolbohohlam. From Western Ukraine. Do you really think that we will give up Donbass and Odessa? Yes, we'd better remove the GDP. At the elections.
    1. +2
      5 March 2021 21: 34
      Quote: magdama
      Sorry. I have long wanted to say.

      why did you endure? laughing
  22. -8
    5 March 2021 19: 08
    And it looks like you and I, hokhlyandiya, will have to fight ... Trouble. The war will be to death, as always between our own ... Do not be offended, but we will bend you, because for JUSTICE.
  23. +2
    5 March 2021 19: 10
    Train ... quite sensibly. A soldier must be able and courageous .... and the rest is up to politicians.
  24. nnm
    +2
    5 March 2021 19: 21
    According to the latest research, this battle took place in late spring on the SHORE of the lake, and not on the ice.
  25. -4
    5 March 2021 19: 33
    "At the same time, when discussing a potential conflict in Stockholm, it is customary to present Russia as an adversary. And they often talk about it directly."
    The cat knows whose meat it has eaten!
    1. 0
      5 March 2021 22: 18
      Quote: Wadded Colorado
      The cat knows whose meat it has eaten!

      What is this for you? Did the Swedes eat something away from Russia?
  26. +3
    5 March 2021 20: 51
    Interestingly, the editors of the site are not tired of this hateful propaganda trick, when conducting any exercises in another country is interpreted in a laughingly negative form. And based on the alleged comments of local users and, of course, with their indication of Russia's overcoming over this country. Isn't it funny yourself? It is not clear what users, how and on what resource they were left, it is not clear, and apparently, of course, these users remembered the Battle on the Ice, the ordinary clash of the Middle Ages, the significance and fame, which is exaggerated. But apparently everyone in Sweden knows about him
    Maybe stop making up fictional comments, as well as news feeds.
    1. +2
      5 March 2021 21: 50
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      Interestingly, the editors of the site were not tired of this hateful propaganda trick.

      The rebuff to the propagandists is wonderful and fair, but, alas, useless, I think ((
      Such agit-braZZers usually excites the dull-witted to "shake fists" in all directions - after all, it is there that the accursed, but invariably trembling in anticipation of heroic people, enemy is located. Look, go up a little higher in the branch - some cretin already with fictitious ... kind of mildly .... representatives of one non-titular nation entered a spiritualistic seance. laughing
      1. +1
        5 March 2021 23: 07
        Your truth. And the saddest thing is that there is no improvement on the horizon.
        1. +2
          5 March 2021 23: 11
          Quote: Postum
          And the saddest thing is that there is no improvement on the horizon.


          Yes, no change of training manuals is foreseen, you are right. However, this is understandable - the propaganda methodology is conservative. Murphy's Law - why the heck change it if it works? But it works))
  27. +10
    12 March 2021 13: 50
    After falling under the ice, you need to take a breath

    request There is water under the ice ... And how can you catch your breath under the ice (water)? what