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Japan denies negotiating the deployment of US missiles

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Japan denies negotiating the deployment of US missiles

Japan is not in any negotiations with the United States on the deployment of American missiles in the region to counter China. The Nikkei newspaper writes about it.


Answering the question of the publication about the probable deployment of American missiles on Japanese territory to confront China, the Japanese government said that they are not yet negotiating with the United States about the missiles, but would generally welcome their deployment in the Indo-Pacific region.

Deploying new US missiles to contain China would be a plus for us

- stated the source of the publication in the Japanese administration.

Earlier, the publication, citing the command of the US Armed Forces in the Indo-Pacific region, reported that the United States plans to deploy missiles on islands in the East China and South China Seas. It is proposed to deploy ground-based anti-ship complexes with a range of up to 200 km, as well as medium-range missiles. The missile installations are planned to be dispersed to reduce the threat of defeat.

The main task of this deployment is called by the US military "preserving defense potential" in the event of an attack by China. In total, the US government plans to allocate over $ 23 billion for the deployment of missiles over six years.

In 2020, the US President's Special Representative for Arms Control Marshall Billingsley said that the United States intends to negotiate the deployment of medium-range missiles in the Indo-Pacific region. Washington is convinced that US allies in Asia need American missiles on their soil to defend against the Chinese threat.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 March 2021 08: 39
    +4
    the Japanese government said that they are not yet negotiating with the United States about missiles, but in general would welcome their deployment in the Indo-Pacific region.
    Aha, so the sucker told the truth! bully
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 5 March 2021 08: 45
      +4
      The main task of this deployment is called by the US military "the preservation of defense potential" in the event of an attack by China.
      And in my opinion it will contribute to greater glazing of the Japanese islands. They can barely tolerate Okinawa
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 5 March 2021 08: 55
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      the Japanese government said that they are not yet negotiating with the United States about missiles, but in general would welcome their deployment in the Indo-Pacific region.
      Aha, so the sucker told the truth! bully


      I wouldn't be surprised if the Tomahawks are already loaded into the Aegis Ashore in Japan. No wonder the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty.
      The Japanese government at its meeting approved the decision to place two Aegis Ashore complexes, it became known in December 2017. They will be purchased in the United States and will cost Tokyo about 100 billion yen (about $ 889 million) each.

      The complexes will be deployed by the end of 2023 on opposite ends of Honshu Island: in Akita Prefecture in the north and in Yamaguchi Prefecture in the southwest.

      "These two areas will be candidates for the deployment of the installations," Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said on May 15.

      And in January, Onodera said that after the deployment of Aegis Ashore, Japan intends to expand its use to intercept not only ballistic, but also cruise missiles.



      As Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov stated, the Aegis Ashore anti-missile systems are "dual-use systems from which not only anti-missile missiles but also attack cruise missiles can be launched." The latter are prohibited from being deployed on land under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty).

      https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4796438

      In principle, we also have something to answer.
      The Russian military has successfully modernized the domestic hypersonic missile "Zircon", increasing its target engagement range by 50%, which makes it possible to effectively attack the enemy's ground infrastructure, its military bases and command posts, being far beyond the means of destruction of the latter, including military aircraft.

      According to the data presented, today there are two versions of the Zircon cruise missile - the basic one, designed to destroy sea targets at distances of about 650-1000 kilometers, and the modernized one, designed to destroy enemy ground targets. The modernized Zircon missile has a target engagement range of 1500 kilometers, which allows Russian naval ships to strike virtually any part of the United States from international waters.

      https://avia.pro/news/giperzvukovaya-raketa-cirkon-uzhe-modernizirovana-dalnost-udara-vozrosla-na-50
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 5 March 2021 09: 35
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        I wouldn't be surprised if the Tomahawks are already loaded into the Aegis Ashore in Japan.

        In general, the Japs have a solid fleet of destroyers with Mk 41 mounts. Officially, only missiles and PLURs are loaded into them, but there are no technical restrictions on their use of the same Tomahawks. This means that they don't really need to mess with ground placement.

        Quote: OrangeBigg
        In principle, we also have something to answer.

        The continuous growth of Zircon's characteristics is downright frightening; Another couple of years - and we will reach near-light speeds and intercontinental ranges))
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 March 2021 09: 59
          +1
          there are no technical restrictions on their use of the same "Tomahawks".

          more correctly, there are no fundamental restrictions on their use of the same "Tomahawks".
          The control unit for the preparation and launch of missiles must stand.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 5 March 2021 10: 03
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            The control unit for the preparation and launch of missiles must stand.

            It is permissible to assume that it is there or can be installed relatively easily. Fortunately, it is difficult to control this "from the outside", and the Japanese know how and love to secret their military developments.
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 March 2021 10: 14
              +1
              installation of the unit requires testing.
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 5 March 2021 10: 40
                0
                Quote: Avior
                installation of the unit requires testing.

                Yes, but this is a question of the scope of testing. The Japanese, as I understand it, bought most of the equipment from the United States; their destroyers distinctly repeat the Orly Burke. If everything is really standard and worked out there, then the installation of additional. blocks can be a standard procedure, after which you can get by with some abbreviated tests. I repeat, if those blocks are no longer there (after all, they can be an integral part of the complex). However, this is already speculation.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 5 March 2021 10: 03
          +3
          . The continuous growth of the characteristics of "Zircon" is downright frightening; Another couple of years - and we will reach near-light speeds and intercontinental ranges))


          Life forced us to react to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty, so it was necessary to develop on the basis of Zircon its modernized version with an increased range of destruction. And on the basis of what else could a ground-based missile system with a long-range hypersonic missile be created in the shortest possible time, if not on the basis of Zircon?
          ... Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a thematic conference call at the Defense Ministry.

          “During 2019-2020, we need to develop a sea-based land-based version of the Caliber complex with a long-range cruise missile, which has proven itself well in Syria. At the same time, we have to create a ground-based missile system with a long-range hypersonic missile, ”the minister said.

          Shoigu stressed that Russia was forced to take these measures after the US withdrew from the Treaty on Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles. According to him, the United States is already actively working on the creation of ground-based missiles with a range of more than 500 kilometers.



          ... He also noted that the use of sea-based and air-based land-based missiles will significantly reduce the time for launching weapons into series and the amount of funds spent on this.

          “It is important to increase the firing range of ground-based missile systems being developed today,” said the head of the Russian military department.

          https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019251153-MfW3H.html
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 5 March 2021 10: 07
            -1
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            And on the basis of what else could a ground-based missile system with a long-range hypersonic missile be created in the shortest possible time, if not based on Zircon?

            On the basis of "Iskander", it is obvious that it is at least in series production and is quite debugged. It is not so difficult to "catch up" the BR to hypersound (ICBM is a confirmation of this). "Zircon" is still a rather dark horse: it is difficult to say how much time it will actually take to fine-tune it and launch it into series production.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 5 March 2021 10: 16
              +2
              Have you read a quote where the second point is the creation of a land-based hypersonic missile, and not a ballistic one, although it is clear that the same Iskander flies on hypersonic, but it meant the creation of a hypersonic cruise missile?
              ... "Zircon" is still a rather dark horse: it is difficult to say how much time it will actually take to fine-tune it and launch it into series production.

              The process of creating an MRBM based on Iskander would be no less a dark horse. Zircon, on the other hand, is being tested quite successfully and is close to the moment of its adoption into service in the near future. In addition, it is more difficult to shoot down than an MRBM. The trajectory is less predictable.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 5 March 2021 10: 25
                -2
                CD on hypersound?
                This is serious?
                Looks like someone's ideas fly faster than HYPER light ... laughing
              2. Kalmar
                Kalmar 5 March 2021 10: 49
                -1
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                You read the quote where the second point is the creation of a land-based hypersonic missile, and not a ballistic one

                Our "Dagger" is also hypersonic, although not particularly winged. As I never tire of repeating, the term "hypersonic" is increasingly acquiring the character of an advertising nameplate: they try to stick it wherever possible.

                Quote: OrangeBigg
                The process of creating an MRBM based on Iskander would be no less a dark horse.

                Why? It could be brought to the MRBM by quite extensive methods: add an accelerating stage, increase the size, etc. Not to say that it is easy and simple, but quite feasible and predictable.

                Quote: OrangeBigg
                Zircon, on the other hand, is being tested quite successfully and is close to the moment of its adoption into service in the near future.

                The exact characteristics are unknown, the nuances of the guidance system are also unknown (the uneasy relationship between the radar and the plasma cocoon), and so on. There is little information about the tests: he flew so many kilometers, hit something (the nature of the target was not specified).

                Then, adoption and mass production are never the same thing. A dozen missiles (albeit hypersonic), even in a local conflict, will have little effect.

                Quote: OrangeBigg
                In addition, it is more difficult to shoot down than an MRBM.

                This statement is also quite speculative so far. Something can be judged when the details about the rocket become known (real speed, altitude, maneuverability, etc.). But to date, the interception of the missile forces is coping much better than the interception of ballistic missiles.
    3. yehat2
      yehat2 5 March 2021 09: 12
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      Aha, so the sucker told the truth!

      firstly, Japan has long had no control over what is happening in Okinawa
      secondly, why negotiate if American missiles are already deployed, though not on remote islands, and they won't ask much (which annoys ordinary Japanese - "Americans are sticking their nose everywhere")
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 5 March 2021 09: 32
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Aha, so the sucker told the truth!

      So who will admit this? Hs-ss!
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 March 2021 09: 36
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Aha, so the sucker told the truth!

      I could not stand it, I chatted ahead of time. Now about the Kuril Islands, it's time to keep your mouth shut
      close.
  2. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 5 March 2021 08: 50
    +3
    They say so to delay the response after their actions.
    Ours even earlier began to strengthen the defense in those parts, maybe they already knew something?
    What do you think ?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 5 March 2021 09: 47
      +2
      Quote: Vadim Ananyin
      They say so to delay the response after their actions.

      They can say whatever they want, but in our Doctrine it is clearly written in Russian in white that any aggressive activity will be punished with a blow, WITHOUT WAITING FOR AN ATTACK from the observed territory, only activity will be enough.
      A lightning strike has been prepared for Japan: Russian missiles will go simultaneously with the American command "Start!" - American missiles on the Japanese islands are too close to the strategically important territories of the Russian Federation. It will be a strategic mistake to understand what the so-called RESPONSE strike :: our missiles many times FASTER American, so first our missiles will drown the Japanese islands, then the Japanese drowned people will wait for information about the destruction on Russian territories. laughing yes
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 March 2021 10: 00
        -1
        but in our Doctrine it is clearly written in Russian in white that any aggressive activity will be punished with a blow, WITHOUT WAITING FOR AN ATTACK from the observed territory, only activity will be enough.

        there is no such thing in the Doctrine
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 March 2021 10: 19
          +2
          Read the latest version, there are fixes and some snot removed.
          1. Avior
            Avior 5 March 2021 10: 33
            +1
            The Military Doctrine (VD) of the Russian Federation, amended in 2018, states that Russia “reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened ”(p. 27). ... The formulation of the conditions for the use of nuclear weapons was first included in the Russian Military Doctrine in 2000 and has remained practically unchanged for 20 years now.

            new appeared only about nuclear deterrence, but this is not the use of weapons
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 5 March 2021 10: 38
              +1
              Read about the massive use of conventional weapons by the enemy ...
              1. Avior
                Avior 5 March 2021 10: 56
                0
                Conditions for the use of nuclear weapons
                27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.

                no other application is foreseen in the Doctrine
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 5 March 2021 12: 10
                  0
                  This means that we will work in the American way: it is not forbidden, it means that it is allowed, and if it is forbidden, we will still do it the way we need it (even if it will be more difficult and longer) ... laughing
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 5 March 2021 13: 26
                    +1
                    I don’t know how you listen to VVP, but he clearly said that “blows will be delivered to the decision-making centers”
                    1. DominickS
                      DominickS 7 March 2021 06: 33
                      0
                      Knowing the GDP, there will be no "blows", but "concerns" will be expressed.
                      1. hydrox
                        hydrox 7 March 2021 07: 16
                        0
                        Yes, there was such a thing, but now even Lavrov himself does not express himself like that ...
              2. hydrox
                hydrox 5 March 2021 20: 11
                0
                Please read here and don't fire like that anymore. lol
                A blow to "decision centers" is a blow to the Pentagon
                http://piter-news.net/politics/2019/02/20/174920.html
                20.02.2019, 19: 22
                Good luck to you.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 5 March 2021 22: 20
                  +1
                  have you read this? there some reserve colonel is broadcasting his thoughts.
                  no one appointed him as commander-in-chief.
                  And Putin did not say anything that would contradict Article 27 of the Doctrine, which he himself signed.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 6 March 2021 10: 54
                    0
                    So we have a Forum here, and that's why it serves to share thoughts, not plans.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 6 March 2021 11: 11
                      0
                      We discuss what is written in the Doctrine
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 March 2021 13: 13
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        "Lightning strike prepared for Japan:" ///
        ----
        What?
        Russia's arsenal has about 1500 nuclear warheads for about 500 ICBMs.
        There are about 800 strategic objects on the territory of the United States, including large cities.
        An object, to guarantee destruction, requires two warheads.
        The entire strategic arsenal of Russia will go to the United States.
        The rest is tactical nuclear weapons. It will go to headquarters and bases in Europe.
        And it's harder to deliver than an ICBM.
        ICBMs cannot be intercepted, but shorter-range ballistic missiles can. KR - all the more possible.
        There will be no nuclear weapons left for Japan.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 March 2021 13: 19
          +1
          You are considering a global war, and IT WILL NOT BE!
          Here we will be in solidarity with the minke whales - 2-3 local conflicts, and not necessarily nuclear ones (judge for yourself, will we thresh Ukraine with nuclear weapons)?
        2. strannik1985
          strannik1985 5 March 2021 13: 44
          +1
          What?

          As of April 2016, 2414 YaBZ are officially in service with the SNF, of which 1735 are on alert.
        3. hydrox
          hydrox 7 March 2021 07: 27
          0
          We will not be interested in the ENTIRE US territory, but only in the nodal infrastructure facilities (ports and bridges), and weapons production that could do us real harm (missiles, aircraft, shipyards) - and this is all small nuclear warheads (no more than 50 kTn), in Japan, there is practically one Okinawa with US bases.
      3. Vadim Ananyin
        Vadim Ananyin 5 March 2021 23: 33
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        That's why .......! I think so !
        Well, seriously, don't expect anything good here!
        Of course, they are still the fighters, you will not scare us, but you need to behave carefully!
    2. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 5 March 2021 12: 53
      +1
      What do you think ?

      I know that on Sakhalin SAM S-400, SAM Tor, and on the Kuril Islands S-300V4, SAM Buk
      + BPRK Ball, Bastion
      + all this miracle is covered by the VKS: Su-30, Su-35, MiG-31BM
      - and on the hook of the Tu-22M3, Su-34 and SLCM
      Japanese Self-Defense Forces will cease to exist as a union on the 2nd day
  3. Pereira
    Pereira 5 March 2021 08: 53
    +4
    What are the negotiations with the Japanese? Team!
    Sit!. Take it! Keep!
  4. Homos
    Homos 5 March 2021 08: 53
    +1
    Who will ask the Japs? It will be necessary for the gentlemen from Washington, they will at least place a brothel for young concubines there, and not just some rockets.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 March 2021 09: 41
      +2
      Quote: homos
      Who will ask the Japs?

      Neither Japan nor its government are independent as long as they are under US occupation. Not even a government, but a state-appointed occupation administration.
  5. nPuBaTuP
    nPuBaTuP 5 March 2021 09: 02
    +1
    Washington is convinced that US allies in Asia need American missiles on their soil to defend against the Chinese threat.

    I doubt this need for these countries ... And the fact that Fashington is convinced this once again confirms the saying about the barrel and the plug ...
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 5 March 2021 09: 10
      +2
      It is necessary to conduct secret negotiations with Cuba. Come in Romania and Japan, even though they are installed in Lithuania. When the barrel of a pistol looms at the temple, it will immediately begin to stir up the negotiations on disarmament.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 5 March 2021 09: 39
        +1
        Quote: Azimut
        It is necessary to conduct secret negotiations with Cuba

        We have already gone this way. Our fleet is now simply not in a position to ensure the normal supply of the base in Cuba; even with Syria (which is almost at hand) everything comes out very strained.
      2. Avior
        Avior 5 March 2021 10: 01
        0
        Cuba doesn't need it now
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 5 March 2021 09: 37
      +1
      Quote: nPuBaTuP
      I doubt this need for these countries ...

      Oddly enough, it may well be a need: the Chinese have begun to become very impudent, with the Japanese they already have territorial disagreements. Under these conditions, the Japanese (and not only them) can benefit from a large and strong "ally".
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 5 March 2021 09: 08
    +4
    Place rockets at home, is it a salvation or a dream to become a TARGET ???
    1. Graz
      Graz 5 March 2021 09: 21
      +3
      well, the Japanese are a peculiar nation, so they think differently and will not consider themselves a target
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 09: 33
        +2
        Well, yes, well, yes, the sun rises over the ... islands and the fresh wind will carry away all the clouds!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 March 2021 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: Graz
        well, the Japanese are a peculiar nation, so they think differently and will not consider themselves a target

        A chain yard dog must not think, he must fulfill the will of the owner (no matter what breed this dog is).
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 5 March 2021 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: Graz
        well, the Japanese are a peculiar nation, so they think differently and will not consider themselves a target

        It is violet for us who the Japanese will consider themselves to be in the territories containing targets for our retaliatory (!!!) strike.
        The most suitable state for the Japens is to consider themselves as living corpses, since OUR Defense Doctrine says clearly and understandably: "Strikes will be delivered to the DECISION-MAKING CENTERS for the attack on the Russian Federation," but the Japens should know at the points with which coordinates the American decision-making centers so that for themselves, the Japanese, to take measures in advance (maybe tomorrow! laughing ) for evacuation from Hiroshimo-dangerous territories. yes
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 5 March 2021 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      or a dream to become a TARGET ???

      Viktor, you really think that Japens are so complete sadyugs to dream of repeating Hiroshima with Nagasaki! laughing
      Then this is generally not a human being!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 09: 40
        +1
        No, no, I'm ASKING?
        My opinion / feeling, behind their smiling faces, hides a cunning, prudent, Asian mentality!
        Those. they have their own cockroaches in their heads, which, even in that region, are not particularly friendly with anyone, and even mustachioed from far away, they are certainly not friends.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 March 2021 10: 01
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          My opinion / feeling, behind their smiling faces, hides a cunning, prudent, Asian mentality!

          Yes, it would have been, if the Japens had not been defeated in 2 MV and occupied by the Yankees - now they have no right to speak. sad sad
          There is practically no chance that the Yankees will release them.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 March 2021 10: 30
            +1
            Yes, the story of how the Yankees know how to lower, from heaven to earth, their "wards and allies", this is a "song" or even a "requiem" for every partner, allies of the minke whales who imagine themselves to be partners !!!
            The truth about this in their media, they do not speak / do not write much, but it should have been, for a general understanding of the situation.
            Their business, of course, is not for us to teach them ... we have enough of our own, different.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 5 March 2021 10: 50
              +1
              Uh-huh, so different that at times some people have their hands hanging, but financial scholars and an informal oppozition should hang on confiscation for activities incompatible with the title of Citizen and associated with criminality and plunder of the people's property in the 90s (starting with the writing of the Constitution - these "authors" should be put on the console first!)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 5 March 2021 11: 36
                +1
                The "ambush" is systemic, it can be corrected, it can be overcome only by a systematic approach and actions.
                The existing system of power, their system ...
                It is not necessary to break down, we just should not break now, we can / should build, but in our own way, for us, for the people, for the country.
                Difficult .... but there are simply no easy ways.
  7. Dimide
    Dimide 5 March 2021 09: 08
    -1
    The main thing here is not yet.
  8. Graz
    Graz 5 March 2021 09: 20
    +1
    I think it will be placed in Japan, but they will try to hide this fact, they say there is, or maybe not, they say guess yourself
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 5 March 2021 09: 29
      0
      Quote: Graz
      they say guess yourself

      Let us not guess: after all, there is intelligence for this, it will also give the coordinates.
  9. hydrox
    hydrox 5 March 2021 09: 27
    +1
    === Washington is convinced that US allies in Asia need American missiles on their soil to defend against the Chinese threat. ==============================================================================================

    === The Japanese government said they are not yet negotiating with the United States about missiles, but would generally welcome their deployment in the Indo-Pacific. =========================================================================
    What a touching unanimity!
    If the Japens need American missiles on their territory, then let them prepare to receive Russian missiles together (or separately!) With Chinese ones - we are also very fond of japen!
  10. sannyhome
    sannyhome 5 March 2021 09: 52
    0
    It must be announced that if missile weapons are deployed on the islands, they will immediately be hit for destruction - there is no peace treaty with Japan, so no norms of international law will be violated)))
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 March 2021 10: 09
      0
      It is a common myth that Japan is still at war.
      There is no peace treaty, but there is no state of war either since 1956
      Article 1
      The state of war between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan ceases from the date of entry into force of this Declaration, and peace and good-neighborly friendly relations are restored between them ...
      Article 10
      This Joint Declaration is subject to ratification. It will enter into force on the day of the exchange of the instruments of ratification. The exchange of the instruments of ratification shall be made as soon as possible in Tokyo ....

      8 December 1956 of the Year The Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet and the Government of Japan ratified the declaration. The exchange of instruments of ratification was made in Tokyo 12 December 1956.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 March 2021 10: 16
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    Japan denies doing negotiations on the deployment of American missiles
    What are the negotiations with the occupied country lying under the American boot? The Americans said it is necessary, then it is necessary. And the "negotiations" to give more legitimacy (although the Americans wanted to sneeze at such a trifle) in the international community - the poor, frightened Japanese themselves asked us to place ...
  12. sannyhome
    sannyhome 5 March 2021 11: 21
    0
    Quote: Avior
    It is a common myth that Japan is still at war.

    I did not write that we are at war with them. I wrote that there is no peace treaty, which you yourself confirmed.