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The virus as an indicator of the freedom of society

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Who would have thought that the COVID-19 virus (hereinafter referred to as simply the Virus) could so divide some of the sociological and political science understandings in the world.


Indeed, it turned out that the Virus revealed some rather interesting aspects of human existence. Moreover, he did it harshly and categorically.


Why did sociology and political science get the most from the Virus? Everything is simple. The virus has forced states to take action, while affecting interesting citizens. So much for sociology. And since the citizens are the electorate, political science troubles immediately went into battle, because the rights and freedoms of the aforementioned citizens were affected.


And here, for some reason, in different parts of the world and in different countries, everything turned out completely differently. And there is a very wide field for reflection on the topic of who is more correct and more civilized in the end.

We have the East (China, North Korea), which, whatever one may say, is totalitarianism. Japan, although a seemingly democratic country, is no easier there than in China. That is - just try to make a sound, they will instantly "score a nail." The Japanese have such an everyday term, who are interested, read it.

And in China it is even simpler - as the Party said, it will be so. That is, the Eastern principle is clear and understandable.

There is the West, where everyone just went crazy with freedoms and rights, that's why problems started in some countries because of this.

And then there are Russia and India, which hang out in the middle. We are not going to consider India, they have everything there, although everything is stuck, but there is karma and the wheel of rebirth, so let them reborn. We will look at Russia in the light of the Western and Eastern approaches.

Here you can argue a lot, but the fact is that we have our own path. It is strange, it does not look like either the East or the West (thank God and Russia), but it exists.

So let's talk about rights?

We still have rights. Few, but available. Rights, for example, political (to elect or be elected), economic (to work and get paid for it), and so on.

And then there are the so-called basic rights. The most interesting ones, by the way. You know, I don't even want to look at political ones, it is clear that we do not have them. Well, or you have to fight for them, whoever wants it to be like in that very West. So here, too, is a kind of democratic choice: if you want to fight for political rights - fight, no - go to the sofa, it’s not bad there either. And by the next "fair" elections they will remember you. May be.

And here the Virus gave us so much information for thought ...

Yes, if in all fairness - not only to us. I threw it to the whole world.

How is the right to leave the house / apartment? And the right to walk down the street is from what region? The right to go to the store that you used to go to, and not the one that your uncle showed you to?

The store is kind of like in the field of economic rights, right? That's just when there is a relationship between the buyer and the seller. And when is a customer not allowed into a store? Or, as some countries have come up with, not to sell certain groups of goods?

Or wearing some questionable object on your face. And somewhere they came up with the idea that there should be two objects. Yes, we are talking specifically about the masks, which are supposed to protect.

It is already clear to everyone that masks are all a profanation. Either wear them, as expected, changing every two hours, or not wear them, because it is harmful. But, as with a door in a Russian car (the options are "open", "closed" and "unclosed"), we now have a third option. Wear it on the chin and as much as the mask can. That is complete decay.

And this is what happened at the behest of the Virus. The plate from the site koronavirustoday.ru is very interesting and funny.

The virus as an indicator of the freedom of society


In China, no one uttered a word, totalitarianism is such a thing, but for some reason there is no PRC in the table. As there are no other countries with human rights, let's say. not very luxurious. But the world's slobs like India and Brazil are right there.

Russia too, but here the approach is again different.

How did we differ from East and West? Well, first of all, because everyone knows that the nonsense of our laws is compensated by their failure to comply. This happened in our case as well.

When our caring government ordered everyone to stay at home at their own expense, then, of course, they sat for a month. It was scary. A pandemic, after all, but then the coronavirus turned into a baranovirus, and it turned out that the grandmother said it in two to die from the coronavirus, but from lack of money ...

And everything went on as usual. Compensating for idiocy such as closed beauty salons, hairdressers, plumbing shops and other necessary places. Hairdressers began to take at home (he rode like that and drove friends), manicure-pedicure too, even my favorite bakery with lavash continued to work. At night and underground.

Although yes, to buy a mixer or pants - that was a problem. Thanks to our government.

However, we survived the collapse of the USSR and the nineties, and therefore such garbage as closed shops - well, who did you want to puzzle? Everything is done calmly, without noise and dust. Even in the midst of coronavirus hysteria, I bought a mixer for a birthday as a gift to a person. Despite the fact that all were closed. Ha…

That is why, in fact, in Russia all these underdogs in the fight against the Virus did not cause such indignation in the country as in the West. Although there were more substantial payments, and so on. However, they went there to protest, but we did not. Strange, but true. Freedom-loving Russians remained in so-called "self-isolation", without the slightest signs of discontent, and protests still continue in Europe and the United States. Why?

The answer must be sought in the measures taken by the governments of different countries.

What happened in Russia? Yes, in fact, nothing special. Well, this strange regime of "self-isolation". Everyone understood perfectly well that this is just not to declare the emergency mode, because then you have to pay. Actually, everyone understood everything. And those who are lucky and they just spat on this self-isolation, and those who are unlucky. Mostly restaurateurs and travel agencies.

Well, as we usually do, if the government decides to ruin something, they will do it, there is no doubt especially. Here's something useful to do - it's difficult, but to break ...

Of course, Muscovites had a harder time in terms of these electronic passes and fines. In the provinces, everything was much easier, one might say - more fun. The traffic jams disappeared instantly, the cities were empty for a whole month. And then everything returned to normal.



And, as usual, it was hard with the joy of our government, but we survived in spite of, not thanks to. I judge exclusively by myself. Because he staggered around the city as he wanted at that time and for the entire kovidobesny period, God forbid, that he could wear heels of masks. And - which is typical - nothing happened.

A personal opinion, which I do not impose on anyone, many of their "measures" taken by our government and local authorities, they are amazing. The impression was that there was a competition, who will come up with more original and crazier.

This includes the inability to purchase a crane box for the mixer, and dismantling of benches in parks and squares, and the closure of parks, and the irrigation of streets with holy water, and the prohibition to leave the house beyond a certain distance, and the pinnacle of everything is fines.

That is, having offered a regime of "voluntary self-isolation", the state immediately rushed to collect money from citizens for violating the "voluntary" regime of self-isolation.

In general - so-so in terms of legality. However, as always in Russia. And as it turned out later, how much money was stolen on the so-called "sanitization" of houses, which no one carried out, but invoices were regularly issued ...

What about Europe and the USA? Yes, actually, nothing that would be different. The same quarantines, the same strange curfews, the same restrictions and fines.

Of course, the curfew in the Netherlands was overkill. They also arranged it in a number of cities. You can sit in a cafe and, for example, drink beer. Without a mask, of course. But at 22 o'clock you have to get up, put on a mask and go home. Because the Virus is somewhat similar to Freddy Krueger. Comes out into the streets with the onset of darkness and mows down everyone who did not have time to hide "in the house".

And in the afternoon - please, the virus is not terrible.

Isn't it stupid? Stupidity. But in Russia, such stupidity causes nothing but laughter. Yes, this one, not very happy, because it is unpleasant to see nonsense performed by the authorities. But we are accustomed to such turns of affairs. But the Dutch / Dutch are not.

They do not have the same protection as we do. Developed over the course of decades against the stupidity and stupidity of those in power. Because in the West, in the worlds of democracy, they are not yet accustomed to this. They do not have a people for power, but power for the people.

And if the authorities start doing things that people don't like, then special effects begin.


And how is the highest form of dissatisfaction with power expressed? That's right, rallies. Yes, we also tried it. In Vladikavkaz. The riot police warmed up, there were no more dissatisfied. Yes, and rallies and gatherings were banned. Since there was a threat of general infection.


But in Europe and America, the authorities had to face a very difficult choice. On the one hand, it is necessary to ensure the measures announced by the government itself, on the other hand, to do something with those who strongly disagree.

By the way, nonsense in Europe was over the roof. And bans on leaving and leaving, and quarantines, and restrictions on the number of visitors in homes and institutions, and, of course, fines.

Well tell me, is the restriction on going out at night from 21 to 4.30 in the Netherlands smart? No, this is the stupidest stupidity. Freddy Krueger does not wander at night, and the Virus infects both day and night, for that matter.

But the closure of schools, universities and restaurants was generally accepted by many with hostility. Especially young people from closed universities. There is simply nothing to occupy ourselves with, so we went to rebel, fueled by various groups.

And right there, the police with special forces. Yes, gas. Yes, water cannons. But clubs, gas and water cannons are an attribute of any government, both authoritarian and democratic. And the democratic club hits no easier than the totalitarian one. She, the club, and in Africa, the club.

Actually, it was necessary not to burn the unfortunate kiosk for the collection of tests. To present our media as almost the center for combating the Virus was burned. Actually a kiosk. But this is the essence of modern media, nothing can be done about it already.

Many people today say that there is no democracy in Europe, everything is worse there than here.

In fact, there is democracy there. I would say that there is even an abundance of it there. And precisely because there is an abundance of democracy, lewdness began there.

A people who are accustomed to the fact that their rights and freedoms are in the first place for the state, and the government was created in order to arrange a pretty good life for its electorate (and who can argue that living in Spain, Germany and the Netherlands is bad?), such a people could not accept the unexpected turn when the authorities began to trample and restrict their freedoms.

Interesting alignment, isn't it?

Because fights, because water cannons and gas, because detention. Too many freedoms are also not good. For political rights and freedoms give rise to what? That's right, they generate the political activity of the electorate.

And that is precisely why the electorate, which does not quite understand where freedom ends and necessity begins, goes to rallies and Maidans. And naturally he gets it with water cannons and a water cannon.

And this is normal, especially given that such an electorate simply does not know how, in the image and likeness of Russians, to simply ignore the demands of the authorities.

It is also worth noting one very important thing here: let's be honest that the Russian authorities did nothing particularly in terms of struggle, but they did not strain the people too much. Yes, everyone was told to wear masks. But no one monitored their quality. It's just that there must be something dangling on the face. And no one said that the mask should not be worn ... well, let's say, a little longer than its expiration date.

Therefore, the Russians calmly walked around in rags on their faces, and the authorities were happy with everything. The rules of the game are respected. The order was given, everyone put on masks. Everyone is wearing masks. How much - but who cares?

Just think, masks at one moment have risen in price from 3-4 rubles to 100 and more. Homemade products were used. Well, it's impossible to crush such people with such trifles as a 30-fold increase in the price of a piece of rag, right?

But in developed democratic countries, alas, it is far from us. They still want to live according to THAT, pre-viral laws, not realizing that there is no turning back and there will never be. And you just need to understand, accept and adapt to the current situation.

But in Europe, well-fed and calm until recently, this is very, very difficult to understand. And misunderstanding gives rise to rebellion and protest, to which the state is simply obliged to respond.

Many of our media began to broadcast in the sense that there is no democracy in Europe, the people there are protesting, and they are being dispersed and stuff like that. But we are also being dispersed. Without any particular problem.

It's just that Europe has not yet understood that personal rights and freedoms will sooner or later give way to the interests of the state in critical situations. Yes, to die from the Virus is the legal right of every European raised on the ideals of freedom and democracy. Therefore, it is not surprising that they react so violently. In the Netherlands, a group of young people set fire to a mobile coronavirus testing center, and in Denmark, a scarecrow with the face of Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen was burned during a protest.


Everyone expresses their opinion as best they can.

Therefore, Europeans and Americans, suddenly knocked out of their comfort zone by the Virus, cannot normally understand the changes in the world around them and adapt to them.

Too much democracy in the past can make life much harder for the future. And so it can really happen. It is easier for authoritarian and totalitarian regimes to put things in order than in a society spoiled by democracy. This is already an indisputable fact, which once again confirms that democracy is also good in certain quantities.

In the meantime, there is too much democracy in Europe and the United States, cars and kiosks will burn, shops will be smashed, the police will use water cannons and tear gas.

The cost of democracy in the light of the coronavirus.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 04: 48
    +11
    A set of phrases of some sort. And by the infection, so we must be glad that it is not very serious, it would be that much more abruptly, half of the cities would die, with these deniers of masks tuporily!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 March 2021 05: 43
      +17
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      half of the cities would have died, with these deniers of masks tupporyly!

      And what does the mask have to do with the topic of the article?
      PySy.In my next doorway, all the most disciplined were ill, and two died.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 5 March 2021 06: 55
        +30
        Quote: Stroporez

        PySy.In my next doorway, all the most disciplined were ill, and two died.

        These are just antidotes - a panacea.
        And then the masks ... Masks are just one of the methods of protection, one of the simplest and most affordable. If you want 99,99% protection - put on high-class PPE, such as an anti-plague suit ...
        The fact that a "disciplined" one walks in a mask for 24 hours is not a guarantee at all. Everywhere an integrated approach is needed, both in planning a military operation and in the prevention of morbidity.
        Vitamins and proper nutrition, exercise, an energetic lifestyle, at least 4 hours in the fresh air, at least 8 hours of sleep, proper treatment of the underlying chronic disease (if any), wearing PPE, minimizing crowded places - this is real prevention, not shabby chin mask ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 5 March 2021 06: 59
          +15
          Quote: Doccor18
          Everywhere an integrated approach is needed, both in planning a military operation and in the prevention of morbidity.
          Vitamins and proper nutrition, exercise, an energetic lifestyle, at least 4 hours in the fresh air, at least 8 hours of sleep, proper treatment of the underlying chronic disease (if any), wearing PPE, minimizing crowded places - this is real prevention, not shabby chin mask ...

          Doctor! I completely agree with you. + 100500 good
          1. Civil
            Civil 5 March 2021 08: 09
            +5
            Well, first of all, because everyone knows that the nonsense of our laws is compensated by their failure to comply.

            This postulate does not work. All the law, especially in terms of taxes, fees, excise taxes and imminent fines for non-payment.
            It is easier for authoritarian and totalitarian regimes to put things in order than in a society spoiled by democracy.

            It all depends on what you call order. For some, order is to lick the owner's boots and silently allow him to turn out his pockets, to give everything of value, as in the countries of the third world.
            For others, order means respect for property rights, helping those in need, equitable distribution of the people's wealth, and a positive agenda in society.
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 13: 07
              0
              What category do you class us into? Or as the author of the article - Something in between?
              1. Civil
                Civil 5 March 2021 13: 27
                +3
                Quote: Nikon OConor
                What category do you class us into? Or as the author of the article - Something in between?

                I can't say for everyone. Not authorized. I can do it for myself - because of my age, I lick the boots of the young owners. In the hope that they will not be touched. Looking at the absence of at least some kind of indignation in society, we can conclude that people like me are the majority in Russia.
                1. Nikon OConor
                  Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 13: 35
                  +4
                  Hmm .. An interesting point of view, there is even nothing to object (not about you, about Russia), but I have a slightly different approach to the issue. I am just fond of, to some extent, history and I can say that it has always been like this with us, so the people do not show any particular negativity. We live as we have lived for many generations ... it is necessary - we do it, and do not ask "who".
                  Now they can give out - "the country of slaves!", But there are no slaves, slaves do not die voluntarily for the country, we just understand the difference between "want" and "need", that's all.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 March 2021 13: 27
              +18
              Quote: Civil
              For others, order means respect for property rights, helping those in need, equitable distribution of the people's wealth, and a positive agenda in society.

              This is clearly not about the current Russian Federation.
              1. frog
                frog 5 March 2021 13: 39
                0
                Is it only the Russian Federation? Do some "quite democratic" countries remind you of anything? Although, Switzerland is still holding on ...
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 5 March 2021 13: 44
                  +19
                  Quote: frog
                  Is it only the Russian Federation? Do some "quite democratic" countries remind you of anything?

                  And I do not care about all "quite democratic" countries! I am clearly convinced of one thing that the richest country in the world cannot live so badly.
                  Although many people live on nravitstsa.
                  1. frog
                    frog 5 March 2021 15: 52
                    +1
                    So I'm talking about notorious trends, no more))))
                    the richest country in the world can't live like that.

                    Oddly enough, he lives. Moreover, there were times when it was even worse ... The mind cannot understand this, as they said once ... But with the stomach it is easy wink And many operate exclusively on it. "What kind of people, such are the boyars, and there is nothing to blame for the mirror" fellow
          2. Machito
            Machito 5 March 2021 13: 02
            +10
            I did not particularly observe any regimes. Neither I nor my relatives fell ill. On the advice of a friend of the head of the medical laboratory, he regularly carried out antiviral vaccinations with the anticoid vaccine - 60 ° moonshine drinks But a friend and her husband, the deputy head physician, had been ill.
            Conclusion: I bought a moonshine still to produce my own 60 ° vaccine drinks Drown the virus in moonshine drinks
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 March 2021 13: 26
              +14
              Quote: Bearded
              regularly carried out antiviral vaccinations with the anticovid vaccine - 60 ° moonshine But a friend and her husband, the deputy head physician, had been ill.
              Conclusion: I bought a moonshine still for the production of our own 60 ° vaccine Let's drown the virus in the moonshine

              Approve! good drinks
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 21: 28
              +2
              Quote: Bearded
              Drown the virus in moonshine

              Carefully! We treat one thing, cripple the other! I know from myself. bully
            3. 210ox
              210ox 7 March 2021 10: 54
              0
              And this is true! And then in our region, "which is paradise", the governor, on the basis of the fight against coronavirus, received more votes than Eun in the DPRK. But now, after all this struggle and masks, the mortality rate for a month is kept at the level of 10%
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 08: 40
          +4
          Quote: Doccor18
          The fact that the "disciplined" walks in a mask for 24 hours is not a guarantee at all
          Absolutely! It is morally hard to watch how some grandmother honestly puts on a mask with gloves that are already black from dirt.

          Quote: Doccor18
          minimizing crowded places - this is real prevention, not a worn mask on the chin ...
          For some, washing their hands after using the toilet is an overwhelming moral and mental task.
        3. Shopping Mall
          Shopping Mall 5 March 2021 10: 24
          +3
          Quote: Doccor18
          Quote: Stroporez

          PySy.In my next doorway, all the most disciplined were ill, and two died.

          These are just antidotes - a panacea.
          And then the masks ... Masks are just one of the methods of protection, one of the simplest and most affordable. If you want 99,99% protection - put on high-class PPE, such as an anti-plague suit ...
          The fact that a "disciplined" one walks in a mask for 24 hours is not a guarantee at all. Everywhere an integrated approach is needed, both in planning a military operation and in the prevention of morbidity.
          Vitamins and proper nutrition, exercise, an energetic lifestyle, at least 4 hours in the fresh air, at least 8 hours of sleep, proper treatment of the underlying chronic disease (if any), wearing PPE, minimizing crowded places - this is real prevention, not shabby chin mask ...


          The usual medical mask primarily protects others from the sick, and to a lesser extent its wearer. Therefore, there is no contradiction in your words. The "disciplined" ones got infected from those who did not wear masks, and those who did not wear, did not get infected from the "disciplined" ones - a game with only one goal. Those. the mask system only works when everyone observes it.

          Of course, there are many other factors - the main one is more likely to be transmitted through the hands, but in public transport and in other crowded places, it is necessary to wear a mask. And it was necessary to fine for "noses" and "chins" seriously, this would reduce the load on the medical system by 5-10-15%. And also to oblige the shops to put antiseptics for hands and a person who will not miss until the hands are processed. On the main, perhaps that's all.

          But all sorts of curfews, a ban on travel, closing stores, this, of course, is nonsense.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 5 March 2021 10: 32
            +16
            Quote: AVM
            But all sorts of curfews, a ban on travel, closing stores, this, of course, is nonsense.

            And note that it was impossible to walk in the parks, but it was possible to ride in minibuses full, like herring in a barrel.
            Ivot is also a fact from personal observations, before the pandemic, exactly a year ago, 8 grandmothers gathered near our entrance, today there are 3 of them, while self-isolation was observed, they wore masks.
            Everyone around the age of 70 +/-
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          2. would
            would 5 March 2021 15: 30
            -1
            Of course, there are many other factors - the main one is rather even hand-over.


            In the case of the covid, this was long ago disproved. You can only get infected by contact, roughly speaking, by rubbing a fresh infected snot into your nose or eye. Therefore, it is believed that the main method of transmission is precisely airborne droplets, like all other acute respiratory infections.
          3. aglet
            aglet 5 March 2021 16: 04
            -4
            "The usual medical mask primarily protects others from the sick, and to a lesser extent its wearer. The" disciplined "just got infected from those who did not wear masks, and those who did not wear, did not get infected from the" disciplined ""
            an ordinary mask does not protect against anything. it simply signals to the authorities that the citizen is loyal and ready to immediately execute any stupid orders of the authorities. the average pore size in the mask, compared to the size of the virus - as the size of a soccer goal to the size of a soccer ball. from what can be protected with such proportions? do not tell me about the cough and phlegm of the sick, they do not cough all the time, but they always breathe, respectively, and the virus is constantly emitted into the environment. and in general, why does an infectious patient move freely in space? he should be kept in an infectious diseases hospital, and be heroically treated by our heroic doctors, and not walk everywhere in his mask and infect people
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 17: 20
              +3
              Quote: aglet
              do not tell me about the cough and phlegm of the sick, they do not cough all the time, but they always breathe, respectively, and the virus is constantly emitted into the environment
              Do you seriously think that "the virus is isolated"? That and it is that when breathing, steam and microsprays fly out, and not viruses golimy.

              Quote: aglet
              he should be kept in an infectious diseases hospital
              Naturally, many have just climbed off the palm tree and are not aware of the incubation period.
              1. aglet
                aglet 5 March 2021 17: 51
                -1
                "Do you seriously think that" the virus is secreted "? So it is that when you breathe, steam and microsprays fly out, and not the viruses are dead."
                Well, how did the virus get into the body? hit. began to multiply intensified? started. it became a lot, and it began to be released into the environment just by breathing? yes. or does it only come out when you cough, and not when you breathe? although you only climbed off the palm tree, it seems that these little things are inaccessible to your thinking muscle
                1. Antonio_Mariarti
                  Antonio_Mariarti 6 March 2021 11: 58
                  0
                  Quote: aglet
                  "Do you seriously think that" the virus is secreted "? So it is that when you breathe, steam and microsprays fly out, and not the viruses are dead."
                  Well, how did the virus get into the body? hit. began to multiply intensified? started. it became a lot, and it began to be released into the environment just by breathing? yes. or does it only come out when you cough, and not when you breathe? although you only climbed off the palm tree, it seems that these little things are inaccessible to your thinking muscle

                  normal breathing can emit from tens of thousands to a million viruses. If such a dose gets into a healthy person, most likely he will not get sick and cope, and if more than a billion, then most likely he will get sick. A mask - serves as a shield that should contain large volumes, if a patient shrinks at you, then trillions of viruses will fly at you - the chances that you will get sick are very high. And if he is wearing a mask, then about a billion. There is a difference?. T
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 7 March 2021 09: 36
                    0
                    "A mask serves as a shield that should contain large volumes, if a patient shuts at you, then trillions of viruses will fly at you - the chances that you will get sick are very high. And if you wear a mask, then about a billion. Is there a difference?"
                    and what's the difference "if a virus enters the body, it will begin to multiply, and, at some concentration, it reaches the point that a person becomes infectious. one virus hit, a billion or a trillion, no difference, just the time will be slightly different. The incubation period is called , did not hear?
                    and again, the question is, why does an infectious patient freely walk everywhere in a mask that does not protect from anything, and infects healthy people, although he should be kept in an infection under supervision, and even be treated there by doctors?
                    "Mask - serves as a shield"
                    this shield is very full of holes
                    1. Antonio_Mariarti
                      Antonio_Mariarti 7 March 2021 15: 34
                      0
                      Quote: aglet
                      "A mask serves as a shield that should contain large volumes, if a patient shuts at you, then trillions of viruses will fly at you - the chances that you will get sick are very high. And if you wear a mask, then about a billion. Is there a difference?"
                      and what's the difference "if a virus enters the body, it will begin to multiply, and, at some concentration, it reaches the point that a person becomes infectious. one virus hit, a billion or a trillion, no difference, just the time will be slightly different. The incubation period is called , did not hear?
                      and again, the question is, why does an infectious patient freely walk everywhere in a mask that does not protect from anything, and infects healthy people, although he should be kept in an infection under supervision, and even be treated there by doctors?
                      "Mask - serves as a shield"
                      this shield is very full of holes

                      A big difference. If, for example, the body can cope with a million viruses. It will be more difficult with a billion, but a trillion is tembol. This is, for example, to fight with a 2k army and with a million, is there a difference? Yes, it is enough for 1 virus to enter the cell, but if this cell is found, then it will be destroyed instantly, it is another matter if the cells are captured not thousands, but millions, it is logical that the body is unlikely to be able to quickly cope. Most people were sick with this family of viruses. Therefore, the body can recognize them. BUT the only problem is that this virus divides much faster and has some differences and the body needs time to recognize it. This is the whole problem. Once again, most people don't know they are sick. As I say, many are easily tolerated - how little viruses have got into their immunity. Hahaha, don’t wear bacteriological protection, so it gives almost 100 percent protection.
                      1. aglet
                        aglet 8 March 2021 17: 05
                        -1
                        "Once again, most people don't know they are sick."
                        before they were called - healthy people laughing
                    2. Antonio_Mariarti
                      Antonio_Mariarti 7 March 2021 15: 35
                      0
                      Quote: aglet
                      "A mask serves as a shield that should contain large volumes, if a patient shuts at you, then trillions of viruses will fly at you - the chances that you will get sick are very high. And if you wear a mask, then about a billion. Is there a difference?"
                      and what's the difference "if a virus enters the body, it will begin to multiply, and, at some concentration, it reaches the point that a person becomes infectious. one virus hit, a billion or a trillion, no difference, just the time will be slightly different. The incubation period is called , did not hear?
                      and again, the question is, why does an infectious patient freely walk everywhere in a mask that does not protect from anything, and infects healthy people, although he should be kept in an infection under supervision, and even be treated there by doctors?
                      "Mask - serves as a shield"
                      this shield is very full of holes

                      And yes, if you know - then the body copes with the virus quite quickly, but the problem is that bacteria come to the weakened defense, so they are the main threat to human life.
                      1. aglet
                        aglet 8 March 2021 14: 40
                        0
                        "but the problem is that bacteria come to the weakened protection, so they are the main threat to human life"
                        so bacteria, or a virus? and then, what does the virus have to do with it?
                      2. Antonio_Mariarti
                        Antonio_Mariarti 9 March 2021 21: 47
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        "but the problem is that bacteria come to the weakened protection, so they are the main threat to human life"
                        so bacteria, or a virus? and then, what does the virus have to do with it?

                        You do not know what is the difference between bacteria and viruses and who does what?
                      3. aglet
                        aglet 10 March 2021 08: 55
                        -1
                        "You don't know what is the difference between bacteria and viruses and who does what?"
                        I know this, and a lot of other things that you don't even know about. bacilli and viruses are different things, they affect the body in different ways, they are treated differently. in this covid, the virus is the main damaging factor, and where does the walking bacteria have to do with it? they are and will be everywhere, even under the rim of the toilet, and not all of them are harmful, and some are even useful. do not spawn entities
                      4. Antonio_Mariarti
                        Antonio_Mariarti 10 March 2021 22: 50
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        "You don't know what is the difference between bacteria and viruses and who does what?"
                        I know this, and a lot of other things that you don't even know about. bacilli and viruses are different things, they affect the body in different ways, they are treated differently. in this covid, the virus is the main damaging factor, and where does the walking bacteria have to do with it? they are and will be everywhere, even under the rim of the toilet, and not all of them are harmful, and some are even useful. do not spawn entities

                        If they knew, they would not have written the nonsense above. And if they studied the question, they would know how the mask works and why it is needed. Example Japanese. Society has long been wearing masks and, as a result, the minimum number of infected people per 100k of the population.
                      5. aglet
                        aglet 12 March 2021 17: 51
                        0
                        "And if they studied the question, they would know how the mask works and why it is needed"
                        the Japanese can wear anything they want, even though the Youkai mask, but there was an article about our masks, I didn't remember the link, but it's called like this: Olga Ignatova
                        "Roskachestvo: Masks do not protect against viruses by 100%"
                        and here is a quote from there- "The result of the experiment is not comforting: all masks pass viruses, and none of them guarantees 100% protection. The best results were shown by one non-fabric reusable mask. It lets up to 56,2% of viruses. The worst result is the KN95 FFP2 respirator mask. with a valve - its throughput was 97,11%, that is, this personal protective equipment retains only less than 3% of viruses. "
                        the best mask allows 60% of viruses to pass through, the worst - 97%. these are not my words, this whole luxury said. What kind of mask do you proudly wear? so think about whether you need a mask or not?
                      6. Antonio_Mariarti
                        Antonio_Mariarti 14 March 2021 17: 13
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        "And if they studied the question, they would know how the mask works and why it is needed"
                        the Japanese can wear anything they want, even though the Youkai mask, but there was an article about our masks, I didn't remember the link, but it's called like this: Olga Ignatova
                        "Roskachestvo: Masks do not protect against viruses by 100%"
                        and here is a quote from there- "The result of the experiment is not comforting: all masks pass viruses, and none of them guarantees 100% protection. The best results were shown by one non-fabric reusable mask. It lets up to 56,2% of viruses. The worst result is the KN95 FFP2 respirator mask. with a valve - its throughput was 97,11%, that is, this personal protective equipment retains only less than 3% of viruses. "
                        the best mask allows 60% of viruses to pass through, the worst - 97%. these are not my words, this whole luxury said. What kind of mask do you proudly wear? so think about whether you need a mask or not?

                        My God ... okay, good luck!
                      7. aglet
                        aglet 15 March 2021 18: 53
                        0
                        "My God ... okay, good luck!"
                        no, it's good for you - don't suffocate in your mask
  • aglet
    aglet 5 March 2021 16: 14
    +1
    “And it was necessary to fine for“ noses ”and“ chins ”seriously, this would reduce the load on the medical system by 5-10-15%. a person who will not miss,"
    just about, the main thing is fines, you have to fill the budget. Well, to keep and not to let go is our everything. the only thing that our authorities have learned over the past 30 years. No, they have learned to explain everything, why prices are rising, why incomes of the population are falling, they will explain everything in detail and carefully. But why do you want to shift the segregation of people on the basis of wearing rags to shops, and not to the state? do they have the right to do so?
    If everything were as scary as we are told, they would have introduced both an emergency situation and a strict quarantine. Since there is nothing of this, then the problem is not worth a damn, and all these gestures are an attempt by the state to split society and identify potentially disloyal citizens. well, cut the dough, on fines, on medicines, on masks
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 5 March 2021 13: 43
    +1
    I agree that people are required to take a comprehensive approach to self-isolation. We also have friends "disciplined" who believe that they comply with everything, while: they themselves ride in the shopping center and to work, the child, in addition to the kindergarten, goes to 3-4 circles a week. They ride around the guests ... And then they tell us in all seriousness that they don't understand where the child could catch a runny nose or a cold ... Well, as a result, the whole family got sick with the crown in December, and went to NG to visit the guests ..
  • Stone
    Stone 5 March 2021 16: 07
    +4
    Masks are more harmful than beneficial, especially for those who have had pneumonia, and it is better for a healthy person to breathe normal air rather than carbon dioxide. As for the benefits, yes, I agree, a sick person is obliged to wear a mask, it helps to reduce the spread of the virus, but there is no point for a healthy person to wear, I repeat, it only causes harm, count how many times you touch it with dirty hands. As proof, I will give an example: my parents and some colleagues at work wore 2 masks each, changed them constantly, shied away from people, poured antiseptic into their hands, got sick anyway, lay in the hospital, a large lung injury, etc., my wife and I and some other acquaintances, they only wore a mask on demand in stores, but we got sick, but got sick much easier than they did. And they got sick much later. My comrade generally denies the virus, in shops where they demand to wear a mask, he just stopped walking, he still has not got sick. This is despite the fact that we all communicate with each other. And yet, as a rule, any infection is dangerous when a lot of it enters the body at a time, if not a large amount enters, then the body's defense mechanisms cope with it. In addition to antibodies, these are the tonsils, where primary protection takes place, and the cell itself does not so easily pass the virus into itself, and after that the virus does not always reach the cell nucleus. Gradually, the body "understands" that an infection gets into it and already knows what needs to be done and how to deal with it. But people who are trying to keep from infection, when they encounter it, are absolutely not protected from it and carry the disease hard.
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 6 March 2021 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Sten
      Masks are more harmful than beneficial, especially for those who have had pneumonia, and it is better for a healthy person to breathe normal air rather than carbon dioxide. As for the benefits, yes, I agree, a sick person is obliged to wear a mask, it helps to reduce the spread of the virus, but there is no point for a healthy person to wear, I repeat, it only causes harm, count how many times you touch it with dirty hands. As proof, I will give an example: my parents and some colleagues at work wore 2 masks each, changed them constantly, shied away from people, poured antiseptic into their hands, got sick anyway, lay in the hospital, a large lung injury, etc., my wife and I and some other acquaintances, they only wore a mask on demand in stores, but we got sick, but got sick much easier than they did. And they got sick much later. My comrade generally denies the virus, in shops where they demand to wear a mask, he just stopped walking, he still has not got sick. This is despite the fact that we all communicate with each other. And yet, as a rule, any infection is dangerous when a lot of it enters the body at a time, if not a large amount enters, then the body's defense mechanisms cope with it. In addition to antibodies, these are the tonsils, where primary protection takes place, and the cell itself does not so easily pass the virus into itself, and after that the virus does not always reach the cell nucleus. Gradually, the body "understands" that an infection gets into it and already knows what needs to be done and how to deal with it. But people who are trying to keep from infection, when they encounter it, are absolutely not protected from it and carry the disease hard.

      Many people get sick without symptoms, so who knows if you are sick with the crown or not? Defend or not, you will get over the same way. Each person's immune response reacts differently. Someone at 70 can easily endure, someone at 20 in the hospital with covid pneumonia.
      1. aglet
        aglet 7 March 2021 09: 45
        0
        "Many people get sick without symptoms, so who knows if you are sick with the crown or not?"
        elementary Watson! if there are no symptoms of the disease, then you are healthy!
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 7 March 2021 15: 37
          0
          Quote: aglet
          "Many people get sick without symptoms, so who knows if you are sick with the crown or not?"
          elementary Watson! if there are no symptoms of the disease, then you are healthy!

          Hahahhaa, this is nonsense. You have a 90 chance of having a Koch bacillus in your body. But you don’t feel, you don’t get sick with tuberculosis. Does that mean you don't have it?
          1. aglet
            aglet 8 March 2021 14: 38
            0
            "Does that mean you don't have it?"
            absolutely right, you finally understood that if you have a virus in your body, it does not mean that you are sick with it. we have a bunch of viruses in our bodies, and somehow we live with them, and we don't even cough
            1. Antonio_Mariarti
              Antonio_Mariarti 9 March 2021 21: 46
              0
              Quote: aglet
              "Does that mean you don't have it?"
              absolutely right, you finally understood that if you have a virus in your body, it does not mean that you are sick with it. we have a bunch of viruses in our bodies, and somehow we live with them, and we don't even cough

              The immune system is poorly studied, more precisely, mankind knows about it only superficially and it is not clear why some viruses live with us for decades and do not shoot, while others immediately begin to fight. No, any time a bacterium feels that you are weakened, it will begin to spread in your body and you will get sick.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 06: 59
    +1
    Quote: Stroporez
    And what does the mask have to do with the topic of the article?

    If religion does not allow you to reread the article, then please:
    Or wearing some questionable object on your face

    Everyone already understands that masks are all a profanation. Either wear them as expected, changing them every two hours, or not wear them, because it is harmful

    Wear it on the chin and as much as the mask can. That is complete decay.

    Because he staggered around the city as he wanted at that time and for the entire kovidobesny period, God forbid, that he took off heels of masks. And - which is typical - nothing happened.

    The order was given, everyone put on masks. Everyone is wearing masks. How much - but who cares




    Quote: Stroporez
    In my next doorway, all the most disciplined were ill, and two died.
    They were unlucky, they met champions of freedom, for whom a mask is not a means of protecting OTHERS, but a muzzle.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 5 March 2021 08: 07
    +7
    Quote: Stroporez
    PySy.In my next doorway, all the most disciplined were ill, and two died.

    From my acquaintances, everyone who was wildly afraid of getting sick and worn with masks, antiseptics, social distance, etc. - everyone got sick, absolutely!
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 5 March 2021 12: 37
      +9
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      From my acquaintances, everyone who was wildly afraid of getting sick and worn with masks, antiseptics, social distance, etc. - everyone got sick, absolutely!

      There is a logical answer to this.
      If a person is afraid of something, then he is already weak, he has almost lost, he is already defeated and he is already sick. Fear fetters and deprives of protection, initiative and common sense, which gives rise to false and incorrect (on emotions) actions in the future leading to a deliberately worse result than if with sound and calm decisions and actions.
      With negative emotions (fear, despondency, vanity, alarmism), the human body itself is weakened, which leads to low immunity, and this is the first cause of illness.
      Baranovirus is more a psychological disease than a viral infectious disease. Attitude, belief in the best and generally positive in life strengthen the body and protect, although not 100%, but much more than life in the negative.
    2. val43
      val43 5 March 2021 16: 08
      0
      Above, they explained and correctly explained: if I am wearing a mask, I protect not myself, but YOU. Let not 100%, but better than nothing.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 5 March 2021 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: val43
        if I am wearing a mask, I am not protecting myself, but YOU.

        do not forget to change the current mask every two hours, otherwise you are putting your health at great risk by wearing a dirty mask.
    3. aglet
      aglet 5 March 2021 16: 19
      +1
      "From my acquaintances, everyone who was wildly afraid of getting sick and were running around with masks, antiseptics, social distance and so on - everyone got sick, absolutely!"
      and what, they all died?
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 5 March 2021 17: 43
        +2
        Quote: aglet
        and what, they all died?

        no one died ... why are you asking, is this a special case? As a rule, those who went to the hospital died, but also not all. And the bulk preferred to be treated at home
        1. aglet
          aglet 5 March 2021 17: 46
          +2
          "nobody died ... why are you asking?"
          Well, here everyone writes about a fatal disease - he got infected, and a skiff! but none of my acquaintances got infected and did not get sick, so I wanted to know about mortality
        2. aglet
          aglet 8 March 2021 14: 44
          0
          "Those who went to the hospital died, as a rule,"
          that is, hospitals are the main factor in mortality from the virus? and doctors do not cure, but contribute to an increase in mortality? or am I wrong?
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 8 March 2021 16: 46
            +1
            Quote: aglet
            that is, hospitals are the main factor in mortality from the virus? and doctors do not cure, but contribute to an increase in mortality? or am I wrong?

            Well, this is only a private opinion, but the version is that the hospital is a hotbed of all the most severe strains of the virus. That is, lying down with a light strain, you are in this nursery, you are guaranteed to get a heavy one, and the disease proceeds in a completely different way. And the medicines are the same as at home. And if it comes to mechanical ventilation, then the chances of recovery are minimal. hi
            1. aglet
              aglet 8 March 2021 16: 50
              0
              "The hospital is a hotbed of all the most severe strains of the virus. That is, lying down with a light strain, you are in this hotbed, guaranteed to get a heavy one."
              !!!!! smart girl !!!!!
  • Nazar
    Nazar 5 March 2021 05: 52
    +7
    Vladimir_2U - "tu ---- s" walk in muzzles, as the owners ordered them, and sit in the bunkers "celebrate the coward." And in Belarus they held a Victory Parade on May 9 and without masks, so what? Are the streets of Minsk littered with corpses? Yes, there are no more patients in Moscow, which has become worn out, by orders of magnitude more than in Minsk. The first law of preference in action - "He who pisses, he dies."
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      1. Nazar
        Nazar 5 March 2021 10: 20
        -1
        Quadro - are you rude? There is nothing to say. The population of Minsk is more than two million - this is by no means a "shabby village", and the cases of the disease can be easily counted in% of the population, if, of course, you are familiar with arithmetic laughing
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 13: 14
          +1
          Well, in Moscow there are slightly more people than in Minsk, therefore there are more cases. And, in general, you are right, having entered the battle with the fear of defeat, you have already lost.
        2. Quadro
          Quadro 5 March 2021 19: 10
          -5
          Quote: Nazar
          Quadro - are you rude? There is nothing to say. The population of Minsk is more than two million - this is by no means a "shabby village", and the cases of the disease can be easily counted in% of the population, if, of course, you are familiar with arithmetic laughing

          Nothing to say? You, instead of waving like that, would carefully read the message. The population of Moscow is 12 million, in comparison with it Minsk is a shabby village. Uncle is having a hard time with the population density and its size, which compares Moscow and Minsk
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 07: 03
      -1
      Quote: Nazar
      "tu ---- s" wear muzzles
      In muzzles, animals are led, who do not understand the reason for putting on a muzzle, and a person consciously wears a mask, even the most primitive, to protect OUTSIDE.

      Quote: Nazar
      The first law of preference in action - "He who pisses, he dies."

      Maybe as a preferenceist you are at a level, but as a reasonable person you are a negative value. Another would be chess as an example.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 07: 27
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        and a person deliberately wears a mask, even the most primitive, to protect OUTSIDE.

        Forced, not consciously. All over the world there is not a single laboratory proven fact that the mask protects against the virus.
        The argument that the wearer protects those around him from possible infection is generally absurd, it can just as well be said that castration of men protects women from the possibility of rape. The degree of infectiousness in Covid is by no means like that of the plague, and only a person with obvious symptoms is contagious, even the WHO has confirmed this. Why wear to everyone?
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 08: 36
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          All over the world there is not a single laboratory proven fact that the mask protects against the virus.
          "The law is not written to fools ...", you know such a saying? At least investigate, but if the idiot decided that the mask will not help anyone, then he will not wear it.

          Researchers from McMaster University of Canada have studied the effectiveness of cloth masks in the fight against the spread of coronavirus.
          As the Annals of Internal Medicine, the tissue does not stop isolated virions. However, a significant part of the virus is transmitted by dropletsthat occur when talking, eating, coughing and sneezing, or with aerosol particles that can form when liquid evaporates.
          The study authors emphasize that a cloth mask cannot block all infectious agents, but it does contain some of them. especially when it comes to the spread of the virus by an infected person outside
          In this case, tight-fitting gauze masks with three and six layers. The experiment revealed the filtration efficiency of such masks up to 95 percent.
          On a healthy person, a mask is ineffective if he is surrounded by contagious maskless eccentrics with a capital M, but if a sick or infected person wears a mask, then it is relatively safe for a healthy person to be near him.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The argument that the mask wearer protects others from possible infection is generally absurd, with the same success it can be said that castration of men protects women from the possibility of rape.
          Debbie comparison, sorry. Does rape have a latent incubation period or an asymptomatic course?
          Such a mask blocks the airborne spread of the infection, and the finely dispersed one sharply reduces and the person infected in the mask is not so dangerous for a healthy environment.
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 13: 24
            +2
            it takes a long time to explain to people what the mask is for. But you are surprisingly patient!))
            The company commander also explained to us why the troops needed an OZK, if it did not protect against radioactive radiation. "It protects from DUST, flawed !!!! The explosion passed, hid, the background decreased, but the dust becomes radioactive, and you breathe it and die from the fact that you are not pierced by a wave of radiation, but from the fact that it is already inside you! !! " Great teacher!)).
          2. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 13: 50
            +6
            it's easier for the stubborn to explain with a personal example ...
            I'm on the bus, an elderly Kazakh in a mask with valves comes in !!! Do you understand? ... So I think it's not too lazy to wear this! Two minutes pass, he pulls his respirator around his neck, and begins to cough violently, even without covering himself with his hand !!! Those who are against masks .... Would you like that much?
            Liberalism is the freedom of a person, but it ends where the freedom of another person begins .... this must be remembered.
            1. aglet
              aglet 5 March 2021 16: 28
              -1
              "I'm on the bus, an elderly Kazakh in a mask comes in with valvesand!!! Do you understand? ... So I think it's not too lazy to wear this! Two minutes pass, he pulls his respirator around his neck, and begins to cough violently, not even covering himself with his hand !!! Those who are against masks .... Would you like that much? "
              the valve on the exhale does not delay anything, but it prevents coughing. I understand you didn't like it? and what have you done?
              1. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 17: 03
                +1
                he just got up, took out his hatchet and stuck it in his skull !!!
                WHAT do you think I should have done?
              2. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 17: 56
                0
                respirator valve yes, but it was a sanitary mask. Believe me, as a respirator builder I know ....
                1. aglet
                  aglet 5 March 2021 18: 25
                  0
                  "respirator valve yes, but it was just a sanitary mask"
                  and why is there a valve on the exhale? to breathe out your viruses without problems? there should be a filter
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 21: 05
              +1
              Quote: Nikon OConor
              Those who are against masks .... Would you like that much?

              Would you have paid attention to this five years ago? In the sense of a cough?
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 21: 03
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            At least investigate, but if the idiot decided that the mask will not help anyone, then he will not wear it.

            Make the fool pray, he will break his forehead. This is me about the fact that any sensible idea can be brought to the point of absurdity.
            And instead of splashing emotions, you need to study the topic better.
            A colleague at work with a confirmed Covid sleeps in the same bed with his wife, the children are in contact with him every day, but for some reason they do not get sick. I got sick with these symptoms about 2 months ago, my wife got sick only a month later.
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Does rape have a latent incubation period, or an asymptomatic course?

            WHO claims that only people with symptoms are contagious. Do you want to argue with them?
            In addition, no one talks about the dangers of wearing a mask.
        2. BAI
          BAI 5 March 2021 09: 51
          +6
          All over the world there is not a single laboratory proven fact that the mask protects against the virus.

          And it won't. The mask does not protect against the virus. It prevents its spread from an already infected virus carrier. Wearing a mask means that the sick take care of the healthy so as not to infect them. And since it is not known whether you are sick or not (until the symptoms take hold), wearing a mask is mandatory for everyone: both sick and healthy, although healthy people do not need it.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 09: 56
            -1
            Quote: BAI
            The mask does not protect against the virus. It prevents its spread from an already infected virus carrier. Wearing a mask means that patients take care of the healthy so as not to infect them.
            That's it!
            Quote: BAI
            And since it is not known whether you are sick or not (until the symptoms take hold), wearing a mask is mandatory for everyone: both sick and healthy, although healthy people do not need it.
            Yes, you can only prove it to the dark! Already in my hearts I approached such people a couple of times, took off my mask and praised, they say, how good and free it was to breathe. Making sure, however, that there is no one around in masks.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 21: 13
            +2
            Quote: BAI
            And since it is not known whether you are sick or not (until the symptoms take hold), wearing a mask is mandatory for everyone.

            But what about the presumption of innocence? Do we have a quarantine, or an emergency?
            Let's hang bracelets on everyone's legs, and wiretapping - terrorism is marching around the world?
            I mean, where is she, that thin line of totalitarianism in the name of fake care of citizens, and real concern for the health of citizens? This is especially true against the backdrop of a decline in the availability of medicine to the level of the early 20th century.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 5 March 2021 09: 57
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        a person deliberately wears a mask, even the most primitive, to protect SURROUNDINGS

        Well, if "to protect others", then they should be worn by those who KNOW THAT HE IS ALREADY SICK. albeit in a mild form, if he walks the streets.
        Py.Sy. Already the famous doctor Myasnikov said in his TV program that masks do not save from anything and it is time to cancel them.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 10: 01
          -1
          Quote: Egoza
          Py.Sy. Already the famous doctor Myasnikov, in his TV program, said that masks do not save from anything and it is time to cancel them.
          You are either lying, or you didn’t understand anything, it’s a pity!

          At the same time, Dr. Myasnikov declares that wearing or not wearing masks should not be discussed at all: "Today, this is not a question: there are rules and they must be followed."
          «Masks are personal protective equipment, but NOT YOURS! - he stressed. - It is a measure of protection for ANOTHER individual. COVID is transmitted during an asymptomatic period and a person may not know that it is contagious. therefore everyone should wear masksto protect as much as possible other».
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 5 March 2021 10: 28
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Therefore, everyone should wear masks to protect others as much as possible.

            Dr. Myasnikov sees little point in wearing masks
            Dozens of years of using masks for influenza and other infections have shown the low effectiveness of this method of protection, said doctor and TV presenter Alexander Myasnikov on the air of the National News Service.
            “Out of powerlessness in the face of the coronavirus, even opponents of masks came out for wearing them. But if everyone takes off their masks, nothing special will happen, ”Myasnikov said. He also spoke out against wearing gloves to protect against COVID-19. "Coronavirus is not a tick, it does not dig into the skin and cannot be carried by hands," the doctor explained.
            Sergey Kiselev
            Head of the Cell Technologies Laboratory, Vavilov Institute of General Genetics

            “Regular masks reduce the likelihood of transmitting the virus two to three times. They are not any kind of absolute insulating material to ensure that they are free of infection. So does hand washing and keeping your distance. All this only reduces the likelihood of transmission of infection. In my opinion, if we compare gloves and masks - rationality, expediency, value for money, gloves are completely meaningless, maybe even harmful, because they accumulate so much on themselves all day, especially from sellers and cashiers, that they are already becoming distributors. Masks still serve as protective equipment to a certain extent. The competent use of masks is another matter. But the population is mainly illiterate about masks, of course, since the same mask is worn for several days. Moreover, I am sure these masks are worn with one side to the face, then the other. And if we say in the end how much they played at least some positive role in this pandemic, then we can agree with Myasnikov that, perhaps, wearing masks and gloves in limiting and reducing the spread of the pandemic, perhaps, did not play any role. "
            https://www.bfm.ru/news/464155
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 10: 30
              -3
              Quote: Egoza
              Dr. Myasnikov sees little point in wearing masks
              This is your quote from Myasnikov, hello.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              At the same time, Dr. Myasnikov declares that wearing or not wearing masks should not be discussed at all: "Today, this is not a question: there are rules and they must be followed."
              “Masks are personal protective equipment, but NOT YOURS! - he stressed. - It is a measure of protection for ANOTHER individual. COVID is transmitted during an asymptomatic period and a person may not know that it is contagious. Therefore, everyone should wear masks to protect others whenever possible.».
          2. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 13: 55
            +2
            The Pepsi generation .... Well, they don't understand that sometimes you need to think not only about yourself))
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 10: 03
          -2
          Quote: Egoza
          then they should be worn by those

          I'm just amazed, figs with her with asymptomaticity, but in the 21st century it's time to know about the incubation period!
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 13: 59
            +2
            What for? In tik-tok-instagram, this is not ... so you don't need to know ..
      3. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 5 March 2021 10: 18
        +5
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        and a person deliberately wears a mask, even the most primitive, to protect OUTSIDE.

        If a mask is a means of protecting society from a person, then society should also sponsor this venture. In the meantime, the mask costs thirty (well, a month ago, with us, it cost exactly that much, now I don’t know, I’m not interested in these muzzles) and wearing it correctly exceeds 10% of the median salary ... thousand re, will wear one mask for six months, turning it from a means of protection, albeit dubious, into an absolutely indisputable hotbed of all imaginable at a time. yes
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 10: 37
          -1
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          If a mask is a means of protecting society from a person, then society should also sponsor this venture.
          Society is a collection of people, so do not confuse it with the state.

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          In the meantime, the mask costs thirty (well, a month ago, with us, it cost exactly that much, now I don’t know, I’m not interested in these muzzles) and wearing it correctly exceeds 10% of the median salary ...
          Muzzles for animals, they are not able to understand why their poor are tortured, however, they themselves do not wash their paws and are not going to wipe their own ass. And for people, masks.

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          that the recipient of 20-25 thousand re, will wear one mask for six months, turning it from a means of protection, albeit dubious, into an absolutely indisputable hotbed of all imaginable at a time
          Excuse me, but it’s worth a penny to spray even a disposable mask with an alcohol antiseptic. You still have to read about soap or toilet paper.
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 5 March 2021 10: 45
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Society is a collection of people, so do not confuse it with the state.

            According to Marx, if, society is a set of social relations, which automatically includes the state. yes
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Excuse me, but it’s worth a penny to spray even a disposable mask with an alcohol antiseptic.

            Excuse me generously, but to destroy all kinds of nasty things, you should not spray it, but soak it in an antiseptic. And to spray it ... It's like a three-year-old child washes his face, if he wet his nose, it means it's already clean. In general, zero sense, but you can be proud of your consciousness. yes
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 11: 02
              -2
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              According to Marx, if society is a set of social relations,
              And in a simple way, in a workers 'and peasants' way of people.
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Excuse me generously, but to destroy all kinds of nasty things, you shouldn't spray it, but soak it in an antiseptic. And sprinkle
              Let's just say that hands are sprayed, not soaked, although you can soak, it's still a penny.

              Quote: Lannan Shi
              It's like a three-year-old child washes his face, he wet his nose - it means it's already clean. In general, zero sense, but you can be proud of your consciousness
              Nice comparison, but by. hi
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 5 March 2021 11: 19
                +4
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Let's just say, hands are sprayed, not soaked,

                Yes, you can at least hold it near the icon, or fumigate it with smoke from the altar, in general, I don’t care. And how exactly to disinfect, and not just "support a domestic manufacturer", any doctor will tell you. Just don't tell him about "sprinkling". Huh? Otherwise, these same hands will be torn off to your very neck. yes But yes, yes, I agree. Manufacturers of these bottles, with disinfectants, also want to eat, and not bread and bread, but caviar with caviar.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Nice comparison, but past

                Yes, just to the point. Therefore, like all these pseudomers, it is from infections that they rather help morally, but they save the wallet from obesity at once.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 12: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  And how exactly to disinfect, and not just "support a domestic manufacturer", any doctor will tell you.
                  Come on, and what great will he tell? And aren't you that doctor?
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Just don't tell him about "sprinkling". Huh? Otherwise, these same hands will be torn off to your very neck
                  70% alcohol is excellent and works when sprinkled. Just do not recommend frequenting. But the mask does not care, the alcohol has evaporated and you can put on a mask, three masks, and even two quite work a working day.

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Manufacturers of these bottles, with disinfectants, also want to eat, and not bread and bread, but caviar with caviar.
                  70% alcohol is not a "type of disinfectant", it is a full-fledged disinfectant, so then.

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Therefore, like all these pseudomers, it is from infections that they rather help morally, but they save the wallet from obesity at once.
                  Yes, and go without a mask, I allow you not to wash your hands with soap and water, until the end of the 19th century, people lived well for themselves and why should you bother.
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 5 March 2021 12: 34
                    +3
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    70% alcohol is excellent and works when sprinkled.

                    Phew. A short course for dummies.
                    1. Alcohol should act for at least 30 seconds, and preferably from a minute. With your adored spraying, it will evaporate faster, reducing the concentration to an absolutely harmless virus, than it has time to act.
                    2. About half of the surface of the brush, your adorable splashing will not affect at all. Interdigital space, skin folds, nails. Remember I compared it to washing your nose instead of washing your face? The picture is one to one.
                    3. Do you want to use alcohol? Forward. Arrange hand baths. Or keep a servant. Who will carry a bottle of alcohol after you and pour from it. Simply by grasping first with a dirty and then with a clean hand for a bottle of the product, you already reduce disinfection to profanity.
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    70% alcohol is not a "type of disinfectant", it is a full-fledged disinfectant, so then.

                    Ever wondered why a surgeon does not rush to operate, "splashing" his hands with alcohol, and does all sorts of stupid things? Well, think about it. Thinking is generally useful. yes
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Yes, and go without a mask, I allow you not to wash your hands with soap,

                    Yes, while I teach you that it is correct to wash your hands fully, and not sprinkle them with alcohol. laughing
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 15: 37
                      -1
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Ever wondered why a surgeon does not rush to operate, "splashing" his hands with alcohol, and does all sorts of stupid things?

                      Ever wondered why surgeons wear masks before surgery?
                    2. aglet
                      aglet 5 March 2021 16: 37
                      +2
                      "Ever wondered why surgeons wear masks before surgery?"
                      really, so that the patient does not infect the virus? or to cover your face, mouth and nose from splashing blood, urine, and everything else that is abundantly released when eviscerating a human carcass?
                    3. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 17: 16
                      0
                      Quote: aglet
                      really, so that the patient does not infect the virus? or to cover your face, mouth and nose from splashing blood, urine, and everything else that is abundantly released when eviscerating a human carcass?
                      Amazingly, the surgeon "gutted a human carcass", and it looks like a chainsaw in your understanding! USE in all its glory! Even proctologists do not poke around, much less gut, but operate, so you know.
                      Well, the concept of "asepsis" is clearly not familiar to you.
                    4. aglet
                      aglet 5 March 2021 17: 58
                      +2
                      "Amazingly, the surgeon is" gutting a human carcass ""
                      Imagine, this is what he does. and vital fluids are also secreted during incisions with a scalpel. a chainsaw is optional. and they operate - it's like: the laying on of hands and without incisions? they cut and gut. and what asepsis is, I know, the obligatory use of masks by surgeons is not included in this concept
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 5 March 2021 17: 28
                -1
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Alcohol should act for at least 30 seconds, and preferably from a minute. With your adored spraying, it will evaporate faster, reducing the concentration to an absolutely harmless virus, than it has time to act.
                2. About half of the surface of the brush, your adorable splashing will not affect at all. Interdigital space, skin folds, nails.

                Just take a spray gun in your hands and be surprised how by changing the distance you can snort a couple of drops and pour everything completely and even under pressure, a little of course.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Just grabbing at first with a dirty, and then with a clean hand for a bottle of means, you already reduce disinfection to profanity.
                Well, if the mind is not enough to wipe the disinfector with a drenched hand, then of course, this is a problem.
              3. aglet
                aglet 5 March 2021 18: 04
                +2
                "Just take a spray gun in your hands and be surprised how by changing the distance you can snort a couple of drops and pour everything completely and even under pressure."
                and asepsis includes, as you know, various methods of sterilization, including
                96% ethyl alcohol (30 min.), If you do not understand the numbers (I understand, on a palm tree with this tight), 96% alcohol should act within 30 minutes. in this case, the bacilli die, and certainly when spraying the palm for a few seconds, 70% (but who measured it there) with alcohol, even under pressure
              4. aglet
                aglet 5 March 2021 18: 06
                +2
                "Well, if the mind is not enough ... then of course this is a problem."
                first take care of the presence of mind in yourself, and then present to your opponent
  • Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 5 March 2021 14: 03
    +1
    I don't know where you live, but since the beginning of spring 2020, a mask has cost and still costs 3-4 rubles.
  • aglet
    aglet 5 March 2021 16: 24
    +1
    "and a person deliberately wears a mask, even the most primitive, to protect OUTSIDE."
    how can a mask, especially the most primitive one, protect others? and why should I, a healthy person, wear this rag, along the way enriching those who sell it? yes, even if they paid extra for wearing it, I will never wear it, because it is meaningless and useless
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 5 March 2021 07: 12
    -3
    Are the streets of Minsk littered with corpses?

    Well, you have statistics showing causation too. For example, my friends decided to go on vacation to their parents. In the midst of a pandemic, by plane. They brought them a coronavirus with them. As a result, both were buried a couple of weeks later. We flew excellently. Also like you were not "pissed"
    The first law of preference in action - "He who pisses, he dies."

    Yes of course. From time to time we see these brave ones who boldly fly into the oncoming lane. And then they are cut out of the ruins of the car. It's a pity that such brave as you then still take with them 3-4 innocent victims
    1. Nazar
      Nazar 5 March 2021 10: 43
      +2
      Ka-52 - One doctor asks another - on the corpse there are seventeen penetrating knife wounds incompatible with life, what will we indicate as the cause of death? Write "coronavirus" - but what about the knife? Write "accompanying injuries" wassat
      Again - "acquaintances" is an argument of course ... but my son and daughter-in-law were returning from Thailand through Belarus - in Russia everything was tightly closed. And immediately to us, you will not believe, and the children are healthy and my wife and I are still alive.
      I am not going to convince you of anything - I like to live in a muzzle - your right, I like to stay at home "at a distance" - this is your choice, you communicate with family and friends only via the Internet - you deserve it. All these Grefs and Jobs are counting on people like you, and judging by you, their calculations work.
      Take care of yourself, drink only boiled water, and then when the time comes for you to die, you can die a completely healthy person. hi
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 5 March 2021 11: 26
        -4
        One doctor asks another - on the corpse there are seventeen penetrating stab wounds incompatible with life, what shall we indicate as the cause of death? Write "coronavirus" - but what about the knife? Write "accompanying injuries"

        2,5 million corpses from covid - all according to your technology?
        Again - "familiar" is an argument of course ...

        I can write to friends of our family. Will something change from this? Or do you need passport data? Well, the carriers of stupid skepticism even poke their noses into the globe, they will declare that the Earth is flat.
        I'm not going to convince you of anything - I like to live in a muzzle -

        and you go further that trifles. Cross the street at a red light - the rules are not for you. Can't stick two fingers in the socket? Down with this limitation of free will. Vaccinations are the mark of the devil. The medicine is being sold to siphon money out of the population. Epidemics were invented by the Zhidomassons to control the human population ... wassat
        You deserve it. All these Grefs and Jobs are counting on people like you, and judging by you, their calculations work.

        and 5G is also said to be zombie laughing you put on a tin foil hat today, remember?
        when the time comes for you to die, you can die as a perfectly healthy person.

        we are all mortal. It's just that fools have a better chance of express delivery. When suddenly grabs some sore, some gemmorrhoids which vilely attack - do not try to be treated. Be patient, because jobs and grefs are just waiting for you to weaken in spirit and secretly run to the hated doctors for an appointment laughing
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 5 March 2021 12: 20
          +1
          There are WHO recommendations on the Internet for diagnosing death from coronavirus, Nazar is certainly ironic, but the recommendations say if the deceased had ARVI, and then pneumonia, but the Covid virus was not detected, then he was still recommended to put death from Covid.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 9 March 2021 04: 25
            -1
            but the recommendations say if the deceased had ARVI, and then pneumonia, but the Covid virus was not detected, then he was still recommended to put death from Covid.

            do not do stupid baltology. I ask again - all 2,5 million dead falsified diagnosis. You so know how to twist and opoy - specifically answer
        2. Nazar
          Nazar 5 March 2021 12: 26
          -1
          Ka-52 - with "express dispatch" the bobble came out, I am already many years old, so in spite of all my efforts I have lived a long life. And a foil hat from the same "opera" as your mask - so it's not for me, it's for you, in addition to the muzzle.
          As for the doctors, I will quote to you one of them (doctors), namely M. Bulgakov:
          "... and suddenly you ... cough ... cough ... sarcoma of the lung ... - yes, sarcoma, ... - sensing something amiss, you rush to scientists, then to charlatans, and sometimes to fortune-tellers. Both the first and the second, and the third - are completely meaningless, you yourself understand. "
          That is, doctors, charlatans and fortune-tellers are phenomena of the same level - and these are not my inventions, Bulgakov knew what he was writing fellow So I will definitely not run to doctors-charlatans-fortune-tellers, but you have already come under their influence, a mask, a glove, a panic fear of infection is proof of this.
          In the Russian Federation, 88 - deaths are recorded on the "crown", why are you scared to write 285 million corpses? are you catching up?
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 9 March 2021 04: 35
            +1
            I am already many years old

            well, not an argument request ... Fools are also sometimes lucky with longevity. Since the lack of the ability to clearly perceive reality protects them from stressful situations. And as a consequence of stress-related illnesses.
            So I will definitely not run to doctors-charlatans-fortune-tellers, but you have already come under their influence

            yes, of course - millions of doctors around the world are charlatans .... So you are not only stupid, but also a scoundrel.
            with what fright you write 2,5 million corpses? are you catching up?

            If you don't know how to use the contents of your pot, ask your neighbor or something. Is the epidemic only in the Russian Federation? Or is it still a global problem?
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 9 March 2021 05: 08
              -2
              Ka-52 - I already wrote to you - you live as you want, even in the OZK, you like to live in a frightened state - this is your choice. I do not require you to remove your muzzle. and you, with your phobias, do not bother normal people. Do you justify your cowardice with "world problems"? 2,5 million losses are 0,03% of the world's population - and this is a "pandemic"?
              Especially for your "bowler hat" help:
              1. "In everyday life, the universal epidemiological threshold is the disease of 5% of the inhabitants of the territory."
              2. "Pandemic (Greek πανδημία" the whole people ") is an unusually strong epidemic that spread over the territory of countries, continents; the highest degree of development of the epidemic process."
              Is it getting there or not? 5% (!!!) and not 0,03% - they made you a "sucker", but why "how" - he turns out to be a sucker in Russia. fellow
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 9 March 2021 05: 16
                0
                I already wrote to you - you live as you want, even in the OZK, you like to live in a frightened state - this is your choice.

                Do you, by your naivety, think that I ask some crooks for permission to wear something or walk in something? laughing So you don't need to give me permission here.
                1. "In everyday life, the universal epidemiological threshold is the disease of 5% of the inhabitants of the territory."

                it is better to cook with your pot (if you have something) - anti-epidemiological measures just do not allow the epidemic to get exactly the growth of spread, which it would have achieved, without obstacles in its path. For your level of development, it can be seen that it is difficult to compare the epidemics of the 18-19th centuries and modern ones. But then you learned to distinguish letters and numbers with grief in half - look and compare at least the numbers. And then flap your wings from the fence
                1. Nazar
                  Nazar 9 March 2021 08: 03
                  0
                  Ka-52 Hmm ... the first time it does not come, you have to explain it a second time: an "epidemic" (especially a "pandemic") starts with 5% of the total population affected by the disease. This threshold is not even close to being reached by the "crown" either in the world in general or in our country. That is, of course, there is a disease, as well as hundreds of other diseases, but EPIDEMIC and especially PANDEMIC is not even close. By the way, it is for this reason that no one declared an emergency in the Russian Federation - there are no statistical and legal grounds for this, since 0,06% in the Russian Federation is by no means an epidemic threshold of 5%. All this psychosis about the "crown" has no medical grounds.
                  The third time I will not explain anything - judging by you, not "coronavirus", but "baranovirus" actually exceeded the epidemic threshold.
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 9 March 2021 08: 20
                    +2
                    The third time I will not explain anything

                    some stupid set of words is not an explanation. Bleating about the epidemic looks funny against the background of the position of the WHO
                    WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus 30 January 2020 g... declared the outbreak of the new coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern (CHSMZ). This is the highest risk rating assigned by WHO. At that time, 18 cases of the disease were recorded in 98 countries outside of China, without deaths.

                    11 March 2020 cityDue to the rapid increase in the number of cases outside China, the WHO Director-General said that the outbreak of COVID-19 can be described as a pandemic.

                    WHO are charlatans in your classification, you are one world star in health care. What kind of education? Courses of tractor drivers-sewers allow you to judge with full reason about the actions of doctors? And so, yes, continue on about the ships plowing the vastness of the Bolshoi and Maly theaters. When there is no brain in the head, even an autopsy will not help
                  2. Nazar
                    Nazar 9 March 2021 12: 48
                    0
                    Ka-52 - a clinical case, - idiocy, is it hereditary, or is it the consequences of "baranovirus"? Will the WHO rogues now dictate how to live? You rummage on the net, look at whose people are in the WHO and who their main sponsor is - you may at least begin to understand something.
                    As for education, I have the highest quality, Soviet - a specialized (physics and mathematics) school and one of the best universities in the USSR, so it's not for you, a victim of the Unified State Exam, to reproach me with a lack of education.
                  3. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 11 March 2021 06: 10
                    +1
                    You rummage on the net, look at whose people are in the WHO and who their main sponsor is - you may at least begin to understand something.

                    rummage better in your head. Maybe you will find at least a gram of brain matter among the heap of all the rubbish. All doctors are crooks, healthcare is a reptilian feeder laughing Only here such obscurantists like you crow so loudly about "charlatan doctors" until the first sore. And then they scream "save, pamagite".
                    As for education, I have the highest quality, Soviet - a specialized (physics and mathematics) school and one of the best universities in the USSR, so it's not for you, a victim of the Unified State Exam, to reproach me with a lack of education.

                    Dada, Monsieur Academician, that your "best education" did not allow you to form a very simple judgment, i.e. answer to the question: your education allows you to question doctors' actions? You graduated from "one of the best universities in the USSR" at least as a therapist? Judging by the cries of "all doctors are charlatans" - hardly. And to say that you are a virologist at least by education (not by practice) and even more so is not worth it. fool
                    not to you, the victim of the exam

                    heh, laughed laughing you probably consider yourself the only one who has survived since the times of the USSR? laughing Lord, what are you dense .... goodbye, not dear. I do not expect your answer.
    2. aglet
      aglet 5 March 2021 16: 48
      +2
      "2,5 million corpses from covid - all according to your technology?"
      and they all died of the virus? or maybe from old age, cardiovascular, cancer, etc.? but they had a virus, which means they died from the virus. a lot of viruses live in the human body, tomorrow Popova will declare one of them fatal, and people will start dying from it, which will immediately be reflected in the statistics. and they will forget about the current virus, as they forgot about bird, hare, cow and other animal flu.
    3. aglet
      aglet 5 March 2021 16: 50
      +2
      "It's just that fools have a better chance of express delivery."
      so that's why you're wearing a mask. Are you afraid to catch the express train?
  • aglet
    aglet 5 March 2021 16: 41
    +1
    "It's a pity that such brave as you then still take with them 3-4 innocent victims"
    I am very interested in how I, a healthy person without harmful inclinations, can take 3-4 victims if I am healthy? explain this point. and compare the absence of a mask with going to the oncoming lane, it's like sour with blue
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 9 March 2021 04: 38
      0
      how I, a healthy person without harmful inclinations, can take 3-4 victims,

      you can infect these 3-4 people with your impenetrable stupidity. This is already a significant loss for society.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 5 March 2021 09: 51
    -2
    "deniers of masks blunt-nosed!" (c) Let the supporters of the mask regime give evidence of their effectiveness against the virus.
    There is evidence of their ineffectiveness.
    In Austria, it is compulsory to wear RESPIRATORS of a certain protection class in public places.
    The author in the article mentions that it is not known how long in the Russian Federation a person wears the same mask.
    Mask for the virus, like panties for diarrhea!
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 9 March 2021 04: 43
      +2
      Mask for the virus, like panties for diarrhea!

      Well, in general, the logic and analogy are correct here. If you do it liquid, then the underpants will not let your waste splash over the valleys and hills. And they will at least allow you to run to the nearest toilet. Well, you can see it is easier to walk with naked opoy, but the panties are clean laughing
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 5 March 2021 17: 45
    +5
    And the m-th masochniks died in the same number as the m-th masochniks?

    Well, the plague is more abrupt, it is tolerated by rats. In our house, rats already move from the basement to the entrances to live, and in severe frosts from hunger they climb the bushes and trees and eat birds in the bird feeders. They wrote for the sake of interest to the governor, the answer came that the Criminal Code was taking the necessary measures in due time. And even the workers ran through the basements of something. But even if someone was poisoned, there was zero sense. Because in our yard opposite there are two other high-rise buildings with other managements plus the backyard of a magnet with garbage cans, and on the other side of the house there are garbage containers for large garbage. In which, too, household waste is taken out. So I somehow approached cautiously and counted a dozen swarming rats. By the way, a completely different office is responsible for these containers. So if the plague begins, how quickly will it spread throughout the city? After all, not only in our yard there are three different managers, a large store plus a common trash can. Maybe Rospotrebnadzor is doing this? No, he scribbles recommendations for masks and masks and reports for ministers .... And masks will help you a lot? If something more abruptly than a baranovirus happens?

    It's not about the mask. Patients should stay at home. Wearing a mask or other PPE should be voluntary. It is enough to wash your hands regularly with soap and water (always, and not only in a "pandemic") and not poison your skin with antiseptics and, moreover, gloves! Living and working premises should be regularly ventilated, ventilation and air conditioning systems should be monitored. Hospitals should have enough beds, and if beds have already been optimized, there should be the ability to deploy a sufficient number of temporary beds. And if there is a war? There won't be enough doctors for the army, but let the civilian population get out on their own?

    Well, in Moscow it is necessary to control the living conditions of the builder and other migrant workers. Completely Russian builders who had permission to move live in eight in a one-room apartment, four sleep at night, four during the day. How quickly will these eight people get sick if one gets sick? How quickly the whole construction site will get sick if everyone lives in such conditions. Let me remind you that they have the necessary quarkodes, then the metro and public transport, which they regularly use. The population density and hordes of shift workers is the reason for such an increase in the incidence in Moscow. In Yakutia and in general in the North in shift camps, too, an increase in the incidence of overcrowding. It sounds proudly - a large oil company, and the living conditions are like those of serfs driven to the Demidov factories or the construction of St. Petersburg.

    And the most zealous masochists should be checked by psychiatrists. Or here we like that, also on a business trip, all of a sudden the sense of smell disappeared. And as soon as the air was quietly spoiled, it turned out that everything was fine with the sense of smell. So you see an acute problem in the m-s maskless - run to a specialist. Maybe not they are, but you should take a sedative.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 05: 19
    +7
    Only not an indicator of freedom, but an indicator of society's obedience.
    Moreover, all the antiviral restrictions, which are very dubious in terms of epidemiology, have very well created tension and fear in society, in connection with which a lot of restrictions on personal freedoms were introduced.
    And what's interesting is that it happens globally. Taking into account the "Event 201", these events are more like a conspiracy of the world elites, with unknown, but not promising anything good plans.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 March 2021 05: 44
      +12
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Only not an indicator of freedom, but an indicator of society's obedience.

      Comrade, I completely agree with you!
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 March 2021 08: 13
        -9
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Only not an indicator of freedom, but an indicator of society's obedience.

        Comrade, I completely agree with you!

        Totally wrong.

        About power:
        First of all, this indicates the ability of the authorities to respond to threats to society. The power in Russia adequately solves the problems that have arisen and, in comparison with the West and the East, looks head and shoulders above them.

        About the people:
        We are the civilization of Russia, different from the civilization of the West and the civilization of the East. The difference between civilizations lies primarily in the culture of society. The virus clearly showed this difference. We are not the West, but we are not the East either. We are Russia!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 21: 22
          +2
          Boris, it's hard to be on the same wavelength with you. My liver won't pull that much.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 6 March 2021 07: 48
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Boris, it's hard to be on the same wavelength with you. My liver won't pull that much.

            "Many things are incomprehensible to us, not because our concepts are weak, but because these things are not included in the circle of our concepts."- Kozma Petrovich Prutkov

            To assess the degree of competence of a manager (official, government) and the ability to manage, it is enough to see how they respond to the challenges of society in terms of the full management function:



            If you analyze how the government reacted to the challenges that Russia faced at the beginning of this century (the collapse of the country, wages, food, defense, virus), it will become clear that the country's governance as a whole is not doing badly. Are there any disadvantages? Of course there is - there is no limit to perfection. The question you just see when looking at the glass: is it half full or half empty? The answer for me is simple - the glass is half full, that is, everything that benefits the country is true. Everything that leads to its destruction is not true.

            The civilization of the East is a civilization of the spirit.
            The civilization of the West is a civilization of matter.
            Civilization Russia is a civilization of measure.

            ps
            I quit drinking and smoking 10 years ago, which is what I wish for you.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 09: 02
              0
              If you cannot find a black cat in the dark, then it may well be that she is not there. wink
              Quit smoking already 17 years ago, with alcohol it is more difficult. bully
  • Quadro
    Quadro 5 March 2021 05: 32
    +8
    How did I read that they had "power for the people" immediately stopped reading, it’s not funny to write even such nonsense? Power for the people under capitalism, well, well. And there is no democracy there. All these protests and pogroms are just another whistle for letting off steam. Therefore, if you get into politics, they will quickly shut you down.
    1. 1331M
      1331M 5 March 2021 06: 13
      +11
      I agree with you, the power for the people was only in Soviet times, certainly not under the capitalist system.
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 5 March 2021 06: 35
        0
        Quote: 1331M
        I agree with you, the power for the people was only in Soviet times, certainly not under the capitalist system.

        Even in the policies of ancient Greece, only the people there were citizens, and they still had a bunch of slaves, who were considered the same tools as a hoe.
    2. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 5 March 2021 06: 43
      +5
      Likewise. This little phrase was very sharp in the eyes. In general, the article is some kind of confusion for the most part.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 5 March 2021 07: 11
        +4
        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        In general, the article is some kind of confusion for the most part.

        The article seems to have been assembled from different pieces and not particularly read. These are the pearls how to understand?
        We still have rights. Few, but available. Rights such as political (to elect or be elected), economic (to work and get paid for it), and so on.
        And then there are the so-called basic rights. The most interesting ones, by the way. You know, you don't even want to look at political ones, it is clear that we do not have them... Well, or you have to fight for them, whoever wants it to be like in that very West.
      2. aglet
        aglet 5 March 2021 16: 53
        +1
        "In general, the article is some kind of confusion for the most part."
        write better and post. I will read it with pleasure
        1. Quadro
          Quadro 5 March 2021 19: 15
          -3
          Quote: aglet
          "In general, the article is some kind of confusion for the most part."
          write better and post. I will read it with pleasure

          And here is the typical "get it first." To understand that an article is shit, it is not at all necessary to be an author. As well as to understand that some beer is shit it is not at all necessary to brew beer.
          1. aglet
            aglet 7 March 2021 09: 40
            0
            "Here's the typical 'get it first'."
            write an article, as I understand it, you can't do it? but we criticize in full measure. maybe you didn't understand everything in the article? not beer, you just need to think a little
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 5 March 2021 05: 55
    +3
    The author returned 3 times to the idea that
    the foolishness of our laws is compensated by their failure to comply

    Right. As they say kindly, that the only law that is observed in Russia is to put an empty bottle on the floor. And this is the question of the quality of the work of the State Duma. There are too many ill-considered, superficial laws. They are introduced, then "taken out": summer time, elections of governors, Nazi symbols. Even the Unified State Exam "de facto" has been canceled ...
    And in terms of the effectiveness of leadership and the content of freedom, it would be better if Roman compared the Russian Federation with China and Japan. Indeed, the authorities are working there.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 5 March 2021 06: 04
    -1
    Everything mixed up, horses, people ... (c)
    I would like to ask the author, did he understand what he said?
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 5 March 2021 06: 30
    0
    A serious or frivolous infection, but it is better to bypass it. We are small people. Power is controlled by corporations. Like, we need to open the borders. Otherwise, we’ll run aground. But China does not even buy fish from us. And it’s unprofitable to sell to its own people. With this profitability they no longer know where to go next.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 March 2021 06: 31
    +3
    ... COVID-19 could share some of the world's sociological and political science understandings
    In this the author is right. A recent example: a political scandal in Slovakia. The prime minister faced an aggressive confrontation against him from the Foreign Ministry and the president over the request for the Russian Sputnik V vaccine and his presence at the airport when the first batch met. The prime minister is almost accused of treason, and the foreign minister called the Russian vaccine a "hybrid weapon" for splitting the EU. That is, it turns out that the Foreign Ministry and the President do not care about the citizens of Slovakia, the main thing is to observe corporate (EU) "solidarity". Here's politics and sociology in one bottle.
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 5 March 2021 06: 48
    +4
    And here in Belarus we have freedom and democracy in general)))). No quarantines (except hospitals). Bars, hairdressers are working. In the summer, only masks were forced to wear. Well, such a thing ... In general, the epidemic is only on TV))))
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 5 March 2021 06: 52
    -4
    Well, if you continue the topic, then the vaccination is not needed for hell, and the payment to the dead or those who have recovered with lung damage will no longer help even if it is issued by European standards. The West thought that all this was crap and did not introduce quarantine, but it turned out that the virusyara covered them with a copper basin. Then he came up with reasons why there are so few sick people in Russia.
    And as for the freedom of the individual, such a dead person no longer needs it, and it doesn't matter who he was!
    Well, whoever has a desire to die before - then please
  • HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 5 March 2021 07: 01
    +1
    I won't say anything about the benefits or uselessness of masks, but this winter I didn't even get sick with the flu, I wear a mask and treat my hands with an antiseptic after visiting crowded places, and we’ll say that half of the department was ill with the crown at work, the neighbors were sick, relatives
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 5 March 2021 08: 24
      -2
      Are you sure you didn't have covid? The mask is absolutely useless, or rather harmful, but here everyone decides for himself.
    2. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 5 March 2021 10: 06
      +1
      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
      at our work, let's say half of the department has been ill

      Miracles do not happen in the world, if half of the department is ill, then you are ill, but asymptomatic.
      1. HaByxoDaBHocep
        HaByxoDaBHocep 9 March 2021 07: 01
        +1
        I constantly passed tests for covid and antibodies, our employer pays
    3. aglet
      aglet 5 March 2021 16: 55
      +1
      "I treat my hands with an antiseptic always after visiting places"
      you will not believe, I washed my hands before this virus
      1. HaByxoDaBHocep
        HaByxoDaBHocep 9 March 2021 07: 02
        0
        It’s like I’m walking around dirty) and many don’t wash their hands even after a hike)
  • parusnik
    parusnik 5 March 2021 07: 23
    +4
    Planet Plyuk. Chetlane and Patsaki.
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 5 March 2021 10: 02
      +3
      The nose bell is the next step, and the raspberry pants and all that. belay
  • Private89
    Private89 5 March 2021 07: 25
    +7
    What the coronavirus revealed was gigantic problems in medicine, it became clear to everyone that the optimization (and in Russian, destruction) of the medicine that this government was engaged in for the past 30 years has cost thousands of people very dearly.

    As for the measures of coercion on the part of the state, the state is the instrument of coercion born of the class struggle. And either the state, as under capitalism, will suppress the majority in the hands of a minority (bourgeois). Either the state will be in the hands of the majority (socialism) and suppress the oligarchic minority. This is what Lenin said when he spoke of the dictatorship of the proletariat. So the state is a dictatorship, either a minority or a majority. After all, if we do not suppress oligarchs, speculators and thieves of all stripes with dictatorial methods, we can personally see it on the example of the last 30 years.
    1. Grognag
      Grognag 5 March 2021 09: 08
      +4
      He also revealed problems in economics when the invisible hand of the market first removed all of the stores that were working and then began to sell at a higher price.
    2. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 5 March 2021 09: 14
      -2
      The proletariat today is not cabbies and a silent labor force, but rather highly qualified specialists who, if they wish, become "bourgeois". Are you suggesting that the proletariat artificially limit itself?
      1. Private89
        Private89 5 March 2021 16: 21
        +1
        but quite highly qualified specialists who, if desired, become "bourgeois"

        Oh, how he wanted and became a bourgeois, you see how simple everything is, the main thing is to want! Everyone will want everyone, but who will be behind the machine, and who will be the doctor, and the engineer? who will work for all these bourgeoisie, as you know, they live off the appropriation of someone else's labor?
        Do you live in Russia at all?
        Well, as the bourgeois have already become, then I have no questions.
        Or are you one of those who Bai calls a dog and Bai himself dreams of becoming.

        But this is just for reference how good a proletarian lives in our country, a little more and they will fall into the bourgeoisie, well, for sure.

        The modal wage is the most common wage, that is, it is the most common among the population of Russia. In 2019 (April 2019), the modal salary in Russia amounted to 23,5 thousand rubles (20,5 thousand rubles after deducting tax), or less than 50% of the average salary.
        1. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan 5 March 2021 20: 14
          -2
          You have not read my commentary, but you have not been able to clearly state your thoughts, rushing from one extreme to another.
          The doctors and engineers you mentioned earn good money, and those who are smarter, as a rule, do not eat them up, but start their own business. Here is the ready-made "bourgeois".
          People who are not burdened with education and earning money have a rather strange idea of ​​"appropriation of someone else's labor": in their understanding, money falls from the sky, and at the same time you should be paid not 23,5, but all 100, and only for the fact that you are there is a good one in the world. And you want to say that such "cadres" are an advanced class? How with such a class, will you compete with the hard workers of the USA and China?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 March 2021 08: 13
    -4
    Denial and rejection of antiepideomological rules leads a straight road, in an accelerated mode to the cemetery. Let the riots in the west, it turns out that they have not very vaccinations. You understand, they are not allowed to sit in bars. Gretchen would be taught to cook and stay at home. At the expense of night bans it is clear, otherwise in the morning officials on the walls will learn a lot about themselves. I liked it yesterday: the Russian vaccine is not humanitarian aid. So let them defend their rights, right down to the barricades and armored vehicles on the street.
    1. aglet
      aglet 5 March 2021 16: 57
      +1
      "Denial and rejection of antiepideomological rules leads a straight road, in an accelerated mode, to the cemetery."
      and what, we have an epidemic?
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 5 March 2021 08: 19
    0
    Democracy itself is in China. Democracy is not love for gays and other perverts, but building a state based on the will of the people. If the people want Tyranny, then its construction is democracy. The West is a real tyranny with the imposition of most utopian and perverted ideas. A person is a social being, to impose freedom (anarchy) on him is the same as trying to make a cat out of a wolf, which is why the devil knows what happens in the West: howling about freedoms and instilling them under pain of punishment, continuous prohibitions, restrictions, a choice of two or three chosen ones groupings (parties).
    It turns out that we have no political rights, but in the West we do. Especially dofiga political rights in the USA: 2 parties, two clans and never let anyone in. In Russia, he wanted and created a party, and you can still promote it, including through the media such as Rain and Echo, which hate Russia. Now let's imagine how long such media would have lasted in the USA or Germany. That's right, a month, maximum, and then they would have closed it.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 5 March 2021 08: 48
    -5
    Thanks for the humor, but I'm talking about mine. The army has never been on its knees, but the events of 08.08.08 showed that it's enough to optimize, it's time to develop. immediately "warriors" appeared.
    So it is with medicine, during the fermentation of the coronavirus around the world, Russian medicine was otoptimized by all and sundry. If hospitals continue to close, ambulance traffic jams will seem like a fairy tale. After all, self-isolation is self-medication.
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 5 March 2021 08: 49
    0
    In some commercial structures, the mask regime was tied to the salary and all possible punishments. The guards saw a man without a mask, issued an act and the employee was left without a bonus. The guards receive a bonus for each person caught with a mask on the chin or not covered with a mask on the nose. At the same time, the mask itself can be made even from a masking mesh, this is not interesting to anyone.
    Over time, the mask begins to be perceived not as a means of protection, but as ...
  • Grognag
    Grognag 5 March 2021 09: 06
    0
    Especially for the author, I will reveal a military secret. CRANE AND CRANBOOK AND EVEN SANITARY GASKETS are quietly sold via the Internet, more precisely in online stores
    1. aglet
      aglet 5 March 2021 17: 02
      +2
      "Especially for the author, I will reveal a military secret. CRANE AND CRANBOOK AND EVEN SANITARY GASKETS are quietly sold via the Internet, more precisely in online stores."
      do you use these stores often? the laying costs a penny, and the delivery is 200-300 rubles. and especially for you I will reveal a military secret - KRANBUKSA is spelled correctly so-grandbook
      1. Grognag
        Grognag 5 March 2021 21: 59
        0
        It was about the fact that there is nowhere to buy, and if the tap is leaking, but there is nowhere to buy, then you can overpay, or as an option, you can not use the tap and by the way I often use online stores
  • BAI
    BAI 5 March 2021 09: 45
    +1
    many of the "measures" taken by our government and local authorities are amazing. The impression was that there was a competition, who will come up with more original and crazier.

    And where do they all go, if from the very top (I wonder who taught?) Came the command: "Introduce restrictive measures, preventing a decline in economic activity." How to cross fire and ice? So that it would burn and be cold at the same time?
  • Cut Samshitov
    Cut Samshitov 5 March 2021 09: 50
    -6
    Again nonsense about Vanya, downtrodden by the master and about John and Michel, freedom-loving. It was with such disgusting phrases that the theory of "a genetically inherent inclination to the cult of personality", "serfdom in blood" began. In general, the "light-faced and handshake" article will like it.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 5 March 2021 09: 50
    -2
    I judge exclusively by myself. Because he staggered around the city as he wanted at that time and for the entire kovidobesny period, God forbid, that he took off heels of masks.
    The person is lucky. Staggered as he wanted. And I worked.
    By the way about craneboxes. It seems that it was in the midst of a pandemic that everyone needed crane trailers and faucets. And in our city, and without any pandemic, it is not always possible to find what you need. Although plumbing stores, if they were closed, then for a week or two.

    And taking this opportunity, I will remind the author of a couple of phrases from one of his articles:
    In winter we will return to this topic, it will be informative to find out what is better after all: long and expensive or fast and cheap.
    But if you look at the map, then the same Derbent for a thousand and a few kilometers south of Voronezh. And, it is quite possible that there you can easily get by in the winter with heaters and not freeze. But in Voronezh, it certainly won’t work out.

    The winter is over. I probably forgot ... Although ... If someone in Voronezh froze, I would probably remember. An article about a new infectious disease near Voronezh, if I have completely forgotten.
  • Liam
    Liam 5 March 2021 09: 52
    +1
    .
    Even in the midst of coronavirus hysteria, I bought a mixer for a birthday as a gift to a person
    .

    I thought that VO would not surprise me with anything else ... I was wrong
  • ee2100
    ee2100 5 March 2021 10: 24
    -2
    Anyone interested can read an article from LiveJournal about the situation in Bohemia
    https://bohemicus.livejournal.com/146222.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=04_03_2021_Evening_LJ&media
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  • ximkim
    ximkim 5 March 2021 11: 06
    -1
    Well, what .. each state has taken different measures, ways to combat the virus and are dissatisfied with the citizens. Fines, without a mask, entering the bus is prohibited, this is one of the few measures that the authorities have demonstrated ..
    Measures I will say so myself (not health-improving, but a rehearsal of training the population). The cherry on the cake is when psm was made from the PPP (self-isolation patrols are numbing in the world), which a month later led to an increase in crime and irritation of citizens.
  • pytar
    pytar 5 March 2021 11: 34
    -1
    Many have not yet realized that viruses are for a long time ... The microbiological system is globally unbalanced. And this is just the beginning ... The climate is changing before our eyes. The world will never be the same. All who want to continue living in the old way are doomed. Humanity is entering a turbulent environment, many want to "fish in troubled waters" ... Authoritarian societies are more prepared for extreme modes of life. Unfortunately, civilization is likely to move to harsh totalitarian forms of government. Pax China is on the horizon, it will be tougher than the outgoing Pax Americana ...
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 5 March 2021 12: 02
      -1
      Everything is leading to this, and Covid and the situation with him are like a rehearsal or the first step towards the implementation of this plan.
      It is no coincidence that back in February 2020, the emerging disease was immediately declared a pandemic.
      It is difficult to say how effective the rule of authoritarian personalities will be, but if they are sane, then this is not scary.
      Old Europe will have a hard time, and so little has changed.
      1. pytar
        pytar 5 March 2021 13: 34
        0
        There is no conspiracy. Epidemics periodically mowed down the population, climatic changes destroyed states, and entire civilizations disappeared. Since the beginning of the previous century, the development of medicine, especially the creation of antibiotics and vaccines, for some time gave a respite for humanity in the struggle for survival. On the one side, the epidemic became rare, on the other, the mechanism of natural selection was temporarily "turned off" by nature. New generations have weak immunity. We live in a microbiological "ocean"! Microorganisms due to climate change and the mobile lifestyle of people begin to explosively mutate and spread. Societies will change accordingly, some will disappear. Painful, but inevitable process in the course of evolution.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 5 March 2021 14: 02
          +1
          I did not write about the epidemic, but how it is used. Now they will introduce covid passports, this issue has been resolved, and everyone will be under a double cap.
          There is no need to talk about mutations, the doctor himself.
          About nonspecific immunity. The British published data that the inhabitants of their country, "non-Europeans" (Asia, Africa) were 30% more likely to be ill with covid and 30% more likely to die.
          1. pytar
            pytar 5 March 2021 17: 04
            0
            If you are a doctor, then you yourself know how serious it is! My friends and acquaintances have died. And you also know that it is impossible to control the virus and who in what stage will be affected in the next mutations. In fact, the more affected developed countries - the USA, Europe, have terrible damage to their economies. Perhaps the mortality rate among the non-European race is more / I do not have information about the Mongoloids /, but their birth rate is several times higher! Accordingly, these populations adapt faster to viruses. Classical natural selection, in parallel with the growth of their numbers.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 5 March 2021 18: 22
              +1
              We must understand that we are now living with this virus and it will not go anywhere no matter what measures are taken, but it is not worth making a tragedy of a universal scale out of this.
              Treatment protocols are known. I don’t know how in Bulgaria, but in the Russian Federation and other post-Soviet countries, the health care system has been reformed towards "optimization", which could not but affect when countries are faced with the global problem caused by the virus, not to mention the Western health care system.
              In the USSR, when there were epidemics of seasonal flu, up to 10 million people fell ill; mortality from complications was in the region of 1%
              In the USSR, the problem of influenza was solved at the expense of district doctors, of whom there are practically none now. The doctor diagnosed, assessed the condition, monitored the patient and decided on hospitalization. The school was quarantined for a maximum of 2 weeks.
              Back in May 2020, WHO recognized the quarantine measures introduced in the world as excessive. So what? The authorities have professional politicians and they fish in this troubled water.
              All measures taken by governments are ridiculously comical.
              One of my comments has a link to a LiveJournal article about Bohemia. Very interesting and objectively deplorable.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 5 March 2021 12: 11
    0
    In general, the mushrooms were funny, but there were not many. It's sad.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 5 March 2021 12: 14
    -1
    If the inhabitants of Russia sat at home for more than a year like Europeans, then the protests would have been greater.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 5 March 2021 12: 14
    +2
    Yes . a set of phrases and bullshit.

    In fact, it looks like DEM. countries know perfectly well that freedom must be fought for.
    If you don't go out on the street, if you don't go on strike, they'll cut off a small piece of your pie. Then another. And further....

    In total countries, too, everything is clear. If billionaires are shot in China, in Japan and South Korea, prime ministers are sitting ... somewhere, coupons for free gasoline are introduced ... then not only commoners, but also the elite are fighting ... with the virus, of course.

    Well, there is the Republic of Belarus and K, where, under the delight of the URA-media of Russia, no one gets sick, everyone in socks stands on benches with flowers (when it's warm, of course), and they are fined for not allowing themselves to be beaten and do not believe in President for life and his 80%. (About 33 chopovtsy and other things, no, no ..)

    Well, at least, not like in Iran, S. Korea and others, where no one is sick either, but they don't get up in socks either ...
  • don-1500
    don-1500 5 March 2021 12: 42
    0
    clubs, gas and water cannons are an attribute of any government, both authoritarian and democratic. And the democratic club hits no easier than the totalitarian one.
    Everything is correct, it is. The shepherds are driving the sheep into the stall, which means that soon there will be a "haircut".
  • Charlie
    Charlie 5 March 2021 13: 34
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    A set of phrases of some sort. And by the infection, so we must be glad that it is not very serious, it would be that much more abruptly, half of the cities would die, with these deniers of masks tuporily!

    Yeah. I did not understand what the author wanted to say. So in Europe they went on strike against idiotic restrictions. You can't stay that way with us. They will quickly ascribe to you politics, dissatisfaction with the authorities and the most humane court in the world will determine you a rest from the worldly vanity for several years.
  • Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima 5 March 2021 13: 43
    +2
    You have a strange concept of freedom ..
    As they say, personal freedom ends where public freedom begins.
    Or so, I, the DPR fighter sitting in the trench, is how much more free from the Ukrainian Armed Forces wine?)
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 5 March 2021 14: 35
    +3
    An interesting fact- You go to McDonald's and ask to wear a mask Without a mask, they simply won't sell food and may even turn in the police for being in a public place without a muzzle (but this is rare) But when you sit and eat, you don't have to cut a hole in the mask or use fantastic tricks eating - can be removed and eaten Of course, the answer is formally distance But even if the tables are across one, then they are not sitting at one by one It turns out that standing and keeping a distance (along the tape pasted on the floor) you are dangerous to others, but sitting, no Such is personal observation in addition to article ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 March 2021 14: 38
    -3
    I'm just amazed. What a wide range of interests in the articles and what a universal conclusion in each - "Everything is lost. Russia is dying." laughing
  • svoit
    svoit 5 March 2021 16: 40
    0
    Quote: aglet
    the virus is constantly released into the environment. and in general, why does an infectious patient move freely in space? he must be kept in an infectious diseases hospital,

    Firstly, it is released with respiration, again in an aerosol environment and the virus is contained in droplets of moisture, and secondly, if all carriers are locked in hospitals, then they simply will not be enough, and not everyone knows what needs to be diagnosed, and everyone should take a smear even once every three days is practically unrealistic
    1. aglet
      aglet 5 March 2021 18: 16
      +1
      "Firstly, it is released with respiration, again in an aerosol environment and the virus is contained in droplets of moisture, and secondly, if all carriers are locked up in hospitals, then they simply will not be enough."
      that is, the virus is not released without moisture? the moisture that is released during breathing, water vapor, what size are they? are comparable to a virus, if that. and if all carriers of the virus are not locked up in hospitals only under the pretext that there will not be enough for all hospitals, it means that the virus is safe, and not at all from it. in this case, and masks are not needed, as practice has shown
  • Retrograd
    Retrograd 5 March 2021 17: 48
    -3
    Russia coped well with this misfortune and crisis. And our mobilization resources are at the same level! The Russian vaccine goes around the world, saving people .. We are not vindictive!
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 5 March 2021 18: 31
    -1
    Rave. Especially amused - "in an emergency you have to pay." For the repetition of this nonsense it is already necessary to force the law on emergency situations to teach.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 5 March 2021 18: 36
    +1
    Quote: nikvic46
    Serious or minor infection, but better ...


    Mother-in-law-in-law:
    -Monya, beat this fly, it spreads the infection!
    - Mom, calm down, she won't lift you!
  • certero
    certero 5 March 2021 18: 43
    -1
    Quote: Doccor18
    Masks are just one of the methods of protection, one of the simplest and most affordable.

    You need to wear a FPP2 respirator, it costs 30-40 rubles, it is quite acceptable to wear it for a couple of days.
    It is quite possible to spend the cost of a couple of bottles on yourself.
    Or, if the views of others do not care, a respirator with replaceable filters, the same breeze. Then the filter price of 25 rubles, which is enough for 5-30 work shifts, is generally invisible.
    But there will be real protection, unlike a cloth.
    1. aglet
      aglet 7 March 2021 09: 56
      0
      "But there will be real protection, unlike a cloth."
      Kip-20 will be better, however, more expensive. but we can live to see it
  • Kushka
    Kushka 5 March 2021 18: 49
    0
    Well, think about it. Thinking is generally useful. yes
    Yes, while I'm teaching you what's right ......: [/ quote]


    -Fira Yakovlevna, and who do you think you are?
    -It's not your business who I think I am!
  • tezey
    tezey 5 March 2021 20: 57
    -1
    It was extremely funny for me to read this article. The author tries to prove that democracy in the West, namely its excess, is the reason for the lewdness in these countries. Allegedly, the presence of individual freedoms and citizens' rights that have infringed upon the Western states is the reason for those very riots. But in our country there is little democracy and therefore citizens accept the infringement of their rights with humility. We got used to the tsarist, sorry dangling in the middle, regime. Therefore, we do not burn cars, we do not rob shops, and we do not fight with the police. But there is a fundamental error in the author's reasoning. In a country with a developed democracy, citizens and businesses live according to the laws they have adopted, pay taxes on the maintenance of state institutions and have the right to demand that the state ensure the implementation of these laws, ensure the protection of their rights and freedoms. This is an axiom of a democratic state. However, see the author's table, those ultra-democratic countries - the USA, England, France, etc., failed to ensure the fundamental rights of their citizens in the conditions of the virus. The right to receive timely, high-quality medical care. Democracy has nothing to do with it. The virus has highlighted the true value of those very Western freedoms. They ended up on paper. Therefore, in the United States, there are more deaths from the virus than those killed in World War II. Therefore, people in Texas were freezing only recently. And now the author will convince me that there is an excess of democracy in the West, and then, with this excess, why there is no direct presidential election in the United States, and in England there is still no constitution. The conclusion is simple. Democracy is not sloppiness and not even parliamentary fuss, democracy is the observance of the fundamental rights of every person in practice, and not on paper, in the media or on the Internet. This is not the case in the West, and their democracy turns out to be an imaginary value.
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