The Ministry of Defense accelerates the test program of the Zircon hypersonic missile

The Defense Department is accelerating the Zircon hypersonic missile test program. It is reported by TASS citing sources in the Russian defense industry.

As stated, the military department has decided to "speed up" the tests of "Zircons" with the aim of adopting the missile into service in the first half of 2022. According to the source, test launches of missiles from surface and submarine carriers will now go in parallel, and not in turn, as previously reported.

"Admiral Gorshkov" during this year will make two launches within the framework of flight design tests and up to four - within the framework of state tests. In parallel, tests will begin from the Severodvinsk board, up to four launches are also expected, the first of which will be made from the surface.

If successful, Zircon is supposed to be adopted from both types of carriers in the first half of 2022.

- said the source.

According to the second source, the first test launch of the hypersonic Zircon from the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine will take place no earlier than June.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that serial deliveries of the Zircon missile would begin in 2022.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Our weapons have always been renowned for their reliability.
I believe that reliability is exactly what is achieved under severe tests.
The timing of the test is never constant.
The product flew normally the first time (and this does not happen), then the required test number of times, and in a month they would have been accepted into service.

[rocket757]

It can probably be accelerated through the use of new methods ... the main thing is that the quality of the product must be of the type - the top, as ordered, was guaranteed by the manufacturers.

[Victor_B]

Quote: rocket757

as ordered,

Too often, the military has an appetite with eating ...
That is to say, a change in the rules during the meeting ...

[XXXIII]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: rocket757

as ordered,

Too often, the military has an appetite with eating ...
That is to say, a change in the rules during the meeting ...

What do you do when the food is good.

[rocket757]

Old sailor "fun" from the sailing fleet! which made very practical sense there.

[rocket757]

Quote: Victor_B

Too often, the military has an appetite with eating ...
That is to say, a change in the rules during the meeting ...

This is also there. Here only a strong, competent leadership team, from all sides, ensures the successful creation and adoption of systems for service.

[XXXIII]

Quote: rocket757

It can probably be accelerated through the use of new methods ... the main thing is that the quality of the product must be of the type - the top, as ordered, was guaranteed by the manufacturers.

Russia's weapons are always tip-top, otherwise Russia would already be 51 states. But not everyone knows how to use it, especially potential buyers. And most importantly, they want to buy a Russian sword for a gift, no, they themselves will do such good.

The sword of Prince Alexander Nevsky weighed "five pounds". Recall that a pood is 16,3 kg, it turns out that the weapon weighed 81,5 kg!
The sword of Alexander the Great, according to legend, weighed about 60 kg!

[rocket757]

Quote: XXXIII

Russia's weapons are always tip-top, otherwise Russia would already be 51 states.

It is good that the Russian rulers understand what the meaning of a strong army is for the state.

[hydrox]

Victor, this is exactly the case when the motto should be CHANGED:
A strong Army is for a strong state!
Why a strong army of the state, which can only smear snot on a sandwich?
But Bidon is powerless as never before (he became just as arrogant!) ...

[rocket757]

Ideally, everything should be harmonious, the army is an instrument in the hands of the ruler, nothing more.
It has long been clear that politicians rule everything ... as they rule here now, the topic is long, you will dive in, you will not emerge without losses.

[hydrox]

Quote: rocket757

how they rule with us now, the topic is ... long, you will dive in, you will not emerge without losses.

Verily!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Victor_B

The product flew normally the first time (and this does not happen), then the required test number of times, and in a month they would have been accepted into service.

There is a joking law. Murphy's Law. Rather, a set of laws.
One of them. If the experiment started right away, it means that you missed something ...
This means that if the test goes too well, wait for the catch! The more difficult the tests are, the better the product will be. Applicable for many types of equipment ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Murphy's Law. Rather, a set of laws.

Arthur Bloch "Complete Collection of Murphy's Laws".
I remember that excerpts were printed in "Young Technique".
And actually Murphy's Law looks like this: "If some kind of trouble can happen, it happens."

[Pessimist22]

Exactly, I remember this magazine, I was always looking forward to

[Kart]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

If the experiment started right away, it means that you missed something ...
This means that if the test goes too well, wait for the catch!

If you have moved into an unfamiliar toilet, and nothing happens to you - expect a catch!
We urgently need to stop and not go anywhere.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Victor_B

and in a month they would have adopted it.

Well, let's say not in a month, but much faster if not for the bureaucratic procedures. There are a lot of pieces of paper to write and a lot of signatures to put on them. And then, as if it were a sin, one of the signatories was on vacation in Taimyr (there is such a thing), another had a runny nose. So they decided to allow the deputies of the absent to put signatures. And this speeds things up a lot.

[venik]

Quote: Victor_B

The product flew normally the first time (and this does not happen),

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This happens by the way, although not always! True, the first successful flight of the "product" does not mean at all that the second and third and fourth flights will be successful too ..... Statistics still need to be accumulated!

[silverwolf88]

good news ... it means that there is a sufficient amount of forces and means and an understanding of the importance of this topic for the RF Armed Forces ...

[hydrox]

Quote: venik

Statistics still need to be accumulated!

It is in such cases that the entire subsequent array of serifs most often confirms that the first launch was out of the order of the expected. sequence values.

[rocket757]

The Ministry of Defense accelerates the test program of the Zircon hypersonic missile

Again and again I will ask questions ... hopefully acceleration at the expense of ... anything but quality, trimming the test program?

[WHAT IS]

If successful, Zircon is supposed to be adopted from both types of carriers in the first half of 2022.

Good news, success in test launches!

[Cowbra]

Most likely, they will be put into service while the "Schaub was", in a version brought simply to workability, and not to the optimal version - and they will immediately go to refine it - a new version.
The goal is immediately achieved - arming the Armed Forces with hypersonic weapons, and the haste is cut off. otherwise it is possible to refine it for a long time ... But the best is the enemy of the good. When at least some will be in service, you can slowly modify it according to the best option

[mark1]

Quote: Cowbra

while "Schaub was"

Yes, right ... It's just that tests from different carriers are carried out in parallel, that's all the acceleration. There will be problems on the specific part of the missile, so everything will freeze.

[tralflot1832]

In light of the new wants of the United States in the field of arms control, Zircon is really needed as a trump card. The Americans, where they got into a puddle with new weapons, want negotiations on these types not only with us but also with China. Here are the cunning rear-wheel drive, we know, took place.

[Ros 56]

But this is a very correct decision, and in general, in many positions in the defense industry, in the economy, and in other areas, and especially in work with young people, we need serious acceleration, up to coercion. Enough already being liberal, we have already lived to see Kolya from Urengoy. We want to turn everyone into such Kohl?
I beg your pardon, I lost my heart, but on the other hand, one of the other follows.

[Bez 310]

Oh!
Again reports on what has not been accomplished,
and then they will tell you that there were plans
correct, but circumstances prevented.
I was sick of it all ...

[Operator]

Each launch of "Zircon" is another wick for Russophobes and techno..bils

[El Chuvachino]

I don't like all this ...

[Kart]

Of course.
They will be adopted - they will not like it even more.

[El Chuvachino]

You have confused me with a liberal. And I am worried about the upcoming carnival, for which we are so hastily preparing.

[Kart]

Me too.
The situation is very similar to 41 years old.

[prior]

And I thought that the Armata tanks attached to the external sling of SU-2022 fighters based on the Varan and Leader aircraft carriers would be armed with Zircon hypersonic missiles from 57 after the strategic armed forces were re-equipped with Yars missiles. with hypersonic gliding wing blocks "Avangard", transported on the electric ship "Platform O".
Or have I confused something?

[Kart]

No, it's okay.
Strictly according to the training manual.

[bars1]

Zircon, if it is not equipped with a scramjet - bullshit!

[Kart]

Polymers!
Polymers are not the same!

[bars1]

Exactly what is wrong.

[Polymer]

Quote: Carte

Polymers!
Polymers are not the same!

I confirm!

[Flurry]

You give a motor hypersound -
With him a beat faster than the heart!
Quasi ballistics bullshit
"Dagger", stupid dough cut! ;))

[bars1]

Quote: Rafale

You give a motor hypersound -
With him a beat faster than the heart!
Quasi ballistics bullshit
"Dagger", stupid dough cut! ;))

You read my mind!

[Ugochaves]

And if the propeller in it is not a jet and not a scramjet engine, but something third (but this is not certain), is it bullshit or not entirely?

[Castro Ruiz]

Giperzvukoviy "Cirkon" eto dostizhenie, no vse uporno molchat pro CU. A ne tolko Cirkonov, no i Oniksov, Kalibrov itd.

[Connor MacLeod]

Need to faster, faster ...

[Old26]

Quote: Connor MacLeod

Need to faster, faster ...

As you know, speed is needed in two cases: when catching fleas and diarrhea. In other cases, you can find yourself in a situation - "In a hurry - you will make people laugh"

Quote: Cowbra

Most likely, they will be put into service while the "Schaub was", in a version brought simply to workability, and not to the optimal version - and they will immediately go to refine it - a new version.
The goal is immediately achieved - arming the Armed Forces with hypersonic weapons, and the haste is cut off. otherwise it is possible to refine it for a long time ... But the best is the enemy of the good. When at least some will be in service, you can slowly modify it according to the best option

It is unlikely that there is even one adequate leader who would risk accepting a weapon system that did not complete the test program, acting according to the "shtob was" principle. For as a result, Magadan will loom (at best). And he will always be "extreme"

An unfinished system is a weapon that is dangerous, first of all, for those who will use such a weapon. Well, they will now accept "Zircon", for the way you say "shtob was". So what is next? The missile was never launched from a submarine. Neither surface nor submerged. And what will happen if the test rocket fails to launch from a submerged position. And not at all? And it will take 30-40 tests from a boat? What then will be done with those who put their signature on the adoption of such a missile? How much will the lot receive? Lifetime or 20-25 years? So it turns out that such a hypersonic missile will be in service, and the rush is cut off and the missile will be inoperative. Who needs such a rocket ??? You? Personally, I do not need such a missile in service with the Navy.


In order to upgrade to the "optimal option" - you need to have a rocket, which in some performance characteristics may be worse than those stated. And with "Zircon" it is even worse. The rocket was created as an interspecies system, but the result?
1. How many times has the missile also been tested against a ground launcher against a ground target?
2. Was this version of the missile tested against surface targets? No, not tested
3. Have you been tested for the ultimate range? No, not tested
4. Was it tested from a ship's launcher on a moving target? No, not tested
5. Was it tested from the ship's launcher to the maximum range? No, not tested
6. Was it tested from a boat launcher for a stationary target? No, not tested
7. Was it tested from a boat launcher on a moving target? No, not tested
8. Was it tested with a boat launcher at the maximum range? No, not tested
And you propose to put such a "raw product" into service only for the "shtob was" ??? So you don't need an enemy, if your own people offer this ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Old26

And you propose to put such a "raw product" into service only for "shtob was" ??? So you don't need an enemy if your own people offer it.

The introduction of Zircon into service in 2022 is purely political in nature. We need to get ahead of the United States in the media race. The development of their similar hypersonic weapons projects ends in 2023.
Statements about a 10-15 year lead in this area, to put it mildly, look dubious.

[Connor MacLeod]

Quote: Old26

As you know, speed is needed in two cases: when catching fleas and with diarrhea. In other cases, you can find yourself in a situation - "In a hurry, you will make people laugh"

Well, look so that you do not get through, when in a couple of months the Americans start to kill us in Syria ...

[Old26]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Old26

And you propose to put such a "raw product" into service only for "shtob was" ??? So you don't need an enemy if your own people offer it.

The introduction of Zircon into service in 2022 is purely political in nature. We need to get ahead of the United States in the media race. The development of their similar hypersonic weapons projects ends in 2023.

Winning the media race could result in billions of dollars in casualties, an incapacitated weapon system. Why, to once again say that we are "ahead of the rest of the world" in putting into service "no analogue world" ???

[Old26]

Quote: Connor MacLeod

Quote: Old26

As you know, speed is needed in two cases: when catching fleas and with diarrhea. In other cases, you can find yourself in a situation - "In a hurry, you will make people laugh"

Well, look so that you do not get through, when in a couple of months the Americans start to kill us in Syria ...

Listen, Nostradamus, you are ours, what kind of urination of ours in Syria in a couple of months, did you collapse from an oak tree or an icicle fell on your head? You should not consider the same Americans so stupid that you think that they will kill someone there in Syria, especially us. Here are the Persians - maybe units of the Assad army can inflict 1-2 bombing strikes. So do not be afraid for me, it will not penetrate. Before I write, I think what you obviously can't see. You will also say that in a couple of months they will land a tank assault near Moscow together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...

[yfast]

Quote: Old26

So do not be afraid for me, it will not penetrate. You will also say that in a couple of months they will land a tank assault near Moscow together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...

Well, I will not say for the states, but the Bandera people are constantly gathering. You won't be able to ignore it entirely. In Iran, he also says that they will destroy Israel, and the Jews do not laugh at this.