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Russia is not ready for war with Turkey

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Russia is not ready for war with Turkey

Cheers-patriotic mood in style


"We can repeat"

not very suitable for Turkey.

"Red Sultan"

Erdogan is building a new Turkish empire.

And it visually includes the current territories of the Russian Federation: the regions of the North Caucasus, Crimea, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, Rostov and Astrakhan Regions, Kalmykia.

The Turkish threat


Erdogan is consistently strengthening his political, economic, cultural positions on the territory of the former Ottoman Empire, in the Turkic and Islamic world.

Ankara is implementing a project to re-create a new Turkish empire, the "Great Turan" and at the same time claims to be the leader of the Muslim world (earlier the Ottoman sultans were at the same time the caliphs - the supreme leaders of all Muslims).

Turkey is waging undeclared wars in Iraq, Syria and Libya. Prevents the Kurds from creating their own state on the wreckage of Iraq or Syria. Ankara threatens Greece and France.

Azerbaijan became the first satellite of Erdogan and with the help of the Turks was able to defeat the Armenian Karabakh and Armenia. The Turks are consistently trying to increase their influence in the countries that were previously part of their empire. Erdogan declared Jerusalem a Turkish city.

Greece is experiencing military and political pressure from Turkey, which has disputed territorial and economic issues with the Turks. The Republic of Turkey is trying to become the main gas hub in the Middle East, switching over to itself "blue fuel" from Russia, Iran, Qatar, Azerbaijan, and in the future from Central Asia. That is, increasing its influence on Western Europe.

Ankara also squeezes Moscow, which had to yield on a downed plane, the introduction of Turkish troops into Syria, where pro-Turkish bandit formations control part of the country. That is, Russia was unable to restore the territorial integrity of Syria and implement its energy projects. Turkey prevented Russia from creating a more powerful Turkish Stream, bypassing Ukraine from the south.

At the same time, Ankara used Moscow for its economic development: billions of dollars annually from the tourist flow from the Russian Federation. Increased energy sustainability with the help of the Turkish Stream. Russia is building the Akkuyu nuclear power plant in Turkey, and even gives out a loan to the station, the prospects for the return of these investments are very vague (especially given the constant growth of political tension in relations between the two powers).
In Libya, the Turks helped Saraj's forces repel the advance of General Haftar, who was supported by Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Russia.

Thanks to Turkish support, Azerbaijan, quite unexpectedly for the majority of military experts, defeated Armenia in Karabakh. Turkey has included Azerbaijan and Karabakh in its sphere of influence, speaks out about the events in Yerevan, that is, it exerts diplomatic pressure on Armenia.

The Turks are building an energy and transport corridor linking Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and going further to Central Asia with its energy and raw materials.

So far, Turkey, despite the problems in the economy and the fall of the lira, is doing well. It should be remembered that with the further development of the global economic crisis (Great Depression - 2), Turkey may be tempted to stop internal problems and discontent of the population (especially in large cities) with victories on external fronts.

At the same time, Britain is again on the side of Turkey. The USA and Germany are arming the Turks. Obviously, under Biden, Washington will find a common language with Erdogan.

Russia is not ready for war


If Turkey is taking off, then everything is complicated with us.

There is no full-fledged alliance with China. With the US and the EU - in contradiction. The economy is stagnant, as is social life. The combat effectiveness of the RF Armed Forces is in doubt. A real war is a war, not pretty pictures about the achievements of the military-industrial complex and the Armed Forces. The motivation of the contractors is questionable. For a salary, it is good to serve in peacetime, not in war. The draft lowered the level of combat training of the rank and file for a year.

In addition, the situation in society shows that Russia is not ready for war. The level of social injustice is off scale. A major external conflict can trigger a powerful internal social crisis. And the Kremlin understands this.

The combat experience of the Russian army is mainly reduced to actions against partisan, bandit formations in Chechnya and Syria. That is, we have no experience in deploying a group of millions, supplying and replenishing it to counter the enemy.

And the Turks have a regular army of an industrial-type country (one of the few countries in the world with such an army). This is over 600 thousand people, without a reserve and civilian personnel. The Turkish Armed Forces were formed with the help and experience of the Pentagon and the Bundeswehr.

The armament is at a good level, as is the training. There is experience of hostilities in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Karabakh.

The weakened economy of the Russian Federation cannot be quickly mobilized. If at all possible. There is a possibility that under the immediate strengthening of sanctions from the NATO countries (the US and the EU), the Russian economy will collapse.

In addition, the West will give Turkey money for the war. And Moscow will have to fight at its own expense. At the same time, various streams of the "fifth column" will try to weaken the state. That is, the Russian-Turkish war could become fatal for Moscow, since the scenario of February 1917 is possible.

Dying country


Shown on TRT1 in Turkey, an annexation map by US intelligence and analysis group Stratfor shows Ankara's long-term plans.

The new Turkish Empire includes territories that were previously part of the Sublime Port. The Turks have already outlined their interests in Iraq, Syria and Libya. The Arab monarchies, with the richest resources, but weak armies (de facto they are protected by the American "roof"), Egypt, Greece are under threat. The Turkish sphere of influence includes the areas of the disintegrated USSR and the current Russian Federation: the South and North Caucasus, historical Turkestan, Astrakhan, Krasnodar and Crimea. Obviously, Turkey is also interested in the Black Sea coast of Ukraine, the Middle Volga region of Russia.

In the long term, the Turks do not even need to fight. You just have to wait for the further degradation and extinction of Russia (as well as Ukraine).

The Russian Federation loses about one Russian region a year. Previously, this process was hampered by the influx of migrants. This also worsened the national security of the Russian state: erosion, assimilation and degradation of the state-forming Russian ethnos. The rise in ethnic crime. The emergence of ethnic enclaves destroying a single space of the country. The threat of riots by aliens and infidels. But now even the inflow of migrants, due to the loss of economic attractiveness of the Russian Federation, has sharply decreased.

With current demographic depressing trends, Russians will not survive the XNUMXst century. At least as a united nation. Only the Russian-speaking ethnographic mass will remain, material for other, more viable ethnic groups, cultures and civilizations. Plus small communities of ideological Russians, like Old Believers.

In Turkey, the population is growing rapidly. From 1950 to 1985, the country's population grew 2,5 times. In 2000, there were 67 million people in Turkey, in 2005 - 70 million, in 2013 - 77 million, in 2020 - 83 million. Over the past ten years, the annual natural increase in the population of the Republic of Turkey has been 800-900 thousand people. That is, the nation is showing its vitality. In the foreseeable future, the Turks are quite capable of colonizing several regions of the dying out Russian Federation and Little Russia (Ukraine).

Caucasus, Crimea and Donbass


It is also worth remembering that Turkey is a NATO member.

That is, Russia will not be able to concentrate all its forces on the fight against the Turks. Part of the forces of the RF Armed Forces will be tied up in the Scandinavian (intensification of hostile activity in Finland, Norway and Sweden), the Baltic, including Kaliningrad, and the Belarusian-Polish directions. It is possible that NATO will allow itself a provocation against Russia in the Kaliningrad region.

Plus the attention of the United States and Japan to the Kuriles and the Russian Far East in general. Western Europe will not fight for the Turks, and it cannot already. But here's a full blown tantrum in the spirit

"Russian barbarians are coming"

will suit. With the simultaneous strengthening of sanctions.

The Karabakh scenario in Ukraine with Turkey's participation is also very visible.

Targets - Donbass and Crimea. Here Russia will have to fight on two fronts - against Turkey and Ukraine (250 thousand group). The Turks will try to blow up the North Caucasus, which has been sliding into the past for 30 years. Georgia, Moldova, Poland and Romania will be connected to help Ukraine.

Thus, the West, with the help of Turkey, plans to carry out a complete restructuring of the Middle East (has been going on since the "Arab Spring"), Central Asia, the Caucasus, South Russia, including New and Little Russia (Ukraine).

Russia will be cut off from the Black Sea, realizing an old dream of the British crown.

In these conditions, when there is very little time left (how long will the current pause last - a year, two, three?), The Kremlin needs to make

"Revolution from above".

To restore order in the country with the simultaneous mobilization of the economy and society (What to do when "refrigerator beats TV").

Strategic planning. The image of the future of the Russian state and people. A radical change in the pro-Western course. And a bold leap forward.
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  1. Operator
    Operator 4 March 2021 11: 05
    +23
    Drain the light, put out the water: Turkey is a vigorous superpower laughing
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS 4 March 2021 11: 06
      +86
      A vigorous one is not vigorous, but a serious enemy, you cannot throw hats.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 4 March 2021 11: 19
        -30%
        Only being in a shitty position to say the least. Opponents (bend your fingers):
        Israel
        Iran (and its trade ally China - recently signed a $ 500 billion trade agreement)
        USA
        India (officially warned not to enter disputed areas with Pakistan)
        Syria / Russia
        Greece / France
        Germany
        ---------
        The conclusion here is simple to laugh.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 4 March 2021 11: 33
          +40
          Germany was especially touched by Turkey's adversary. It's funny. Or Israel. But for some reason Israel sells them the latest technology and not dual-use but military, with Germany they have agreements and trade and military. With the United States a little bit of a mess. Well, the cute ones swear only amuse themselves. As the US Air Force base in Turkey was, it remained.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 4 March 2021 12: 05
            -2
            Touched at least to the point, if you think that accusing Turkey of blackmailing by refugees is friendship, then you have some ridiculous idea of ​​the allies. And pan-Turkism does not interfere with Israel at all, moreover, for pan-Turkism Turkey needs to become the head of the Muslim world - which means that friendship with Israel is not at all in this reality.
            With "the United States a little bit" they are so much so that in fact Turkey withdrew from all joint NATO sabantuys, for example, and the United States is trying to move the base, while Erdogan is actually blackmailing the United States with this base - as hostages they are there.
            1. MstislavHrabr
              MstislavHrabr 4 March 2021 12: 42
              +33
              The Turks do not ... - they will not declare war on us. But they will play their own game. Erdogan has a huge amount of "hot stuff" (refugees, militants, Islamists, Ukrainians and other "anti-Russians" - ready to swear allegiance to anyone). He will send him to the right areas and rake in the heat with their hands ... And the main tasks of our country are internal stability and normal demography ... I would also introduce mandatory two-week military courses for high school students and monthly courses for students on the basis of one from military units ...
              1. Temples
                Temples 4 March 2021 14: 08
                +8
                Quote: YOUR
                It's funny. Or Israel ...

                You will laugh if you remember that Israel is located on the territory of the Ottoman (Ottoman) Empire.

                So that the Jews there are undesirable to everyone.
          2. figwam
            figwam 4 March 2021 12: 29
            -9
            Quote: YOUR
            Germany was especially touched by Turkey's adversary. It's funny. Or Israel.

            Did you read this article for sure?
            Erdogan declared Jerusalem a Turkish city.


            But in general, Turkey can rekindle a new war, after which NATO will go to block and squeeze Kaliningrad.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 4 March 2021 13: 59
              +7
              Quote: figvam
              Erdogan declared Jerusalem a Turkish city.

              To pull the phrase out of the text and it almost turns out to be a declaration of war.
              Erdogan said:
              In this city, which we had to leave in tears during the First World War, you can still find traces of Ottoman resistance. So, Jerusalem is our city, a city from us, - said the head of state during his lengthy speech in the Turkish parliament. - Our first qibla (direction of prayer in the direction of Islamic shrines. - Ed.) To the "Al-Aqsa" mosque in Jerusalem "

              The Ottoman Empire ruled Jerusalem from 1516 to 1917.
              “Another crisis that our country and our nation are closely following is Israel's oppression of the Palestinians,” Erdogan continued. - The issue of Jerusalem is not an ordinary geopolitical problem for us. First of all, the present appearance of the Old City, which is the heart of Jerusalem, was built by (Ottoman Sultan) Suleiman the Magnificent, with its walls, bazaar and many buildings. Our ancestors have shown respect for centuries, appreciating this city. "
              More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/10/02/erdogan-ierusalim-eto-nash-gorod-my-pokinuli-ego-v-slezah

              Here's what Erdogan actually said.
              1. figwam
                figwam 4 March 2021 15: 12
                -1
                Quote: YOUR
                Here's what Erdogan actually said.

                So the same thing and said that this is their city built by the Turks.
            2. Vikking1966
              Vikking1966 5 March 2021 11: 22
              +7
              Maybe it may, but so far all their maneuvers and plans on this topic end with Russia, according to their own calculations, as a result of such an attempt "squeezing out" the Baltic states and most of Poland. Read about the results of recent exercises in Poland, and other similar materials.
              More seriously, over the past few years (since 2017) such infrastructural facilities have been built in the Kaliningrad region that allow the region to exist in an autonomous mode (and also to develop). Also, a full-fledged army corps has been restored in addition to the forces that were stationed here. Taking into account the fact that the region (it is difficult to say what) has become very interesting for immigrants of all kinds, its population is growing at an accelerated pace. In Kaliningrad, for example, many schools that a couple of years ago worked in one shift, now work in 1. And this despite the fact that one or even two new schools are rented annually. So, it will not work out quickly to squeeze out the Kaliningrad region, and in the long war between Russia and NATO, it will end in a thermonuclear apocalypse.
              Well, to the author, "all-prophecy" no longer works, alas. The maps that some Turkish madmen draw do not say anything. Erdogan is ambitious, not crazy. He perfectly understands that in a direct conflict with Russia, Turkey does not shine, even if we assume that the author is right and the level of combat readiness of the Turkish army is higher than that of the Russian one. In the meantime, Turkey does only what Russia allows it. And before you argue, tell me, in the same Syria, the points at which the Syrian government army is in direct contact with the Turkish Armed Forces. Today, Turkish regular units are located only in the territories not controlled by Damascus (Idlib, Kurds).
              Yes, and in Karabakh, there are Russian waxes and not Turkish or Azeybardjan waxes, so you have a blunder with Karabakh.
          3. Professor
            Professor 4 March 2021 12: 40
            +18
            Quote: YOUR
            Or Israel. But for some reason Israel sells them the latest technology and not dual-use but military,

            No, it does not sell when the sultan comes to power.
            By the way, Israel is not colored red on the map in the title of the article.

            PS
            To the author, the growth of the population of Turkey is at the expense of the Kurds. The Turks have a problem with fertility too.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 4 March 2021 14: 06
              +4
              Israel seeks to weaken the SAR by proxy. Transfers to Turkey the latest technology so Bayraktar UAV is built on the basis of Israeli UAVs IAI Heron and Aerostar.
              1. Professor
                Professor 4 March 2021 16: 56
                +6
                Quote: YOUR
                Israel seeks to weaken the SAR by proxy. Transfers to Turkey the latest technology so Bayraktar UAV is built on the basis of Israeli UAVs IAI Heron and Aerostar.

                With the arrival of the sultan, he does not sell anything. And after Marmara, in general, on the brink of military clashes.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 4 March 2021 20: 21
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              ... The Turks have a problem with fertility too.

              Not entirely a problem, in Europe they are still ahead, but in general, the birth rate is declining.
              1. Liam
                Liam 4 March 2021 20: 29
                +1
                Quote: RUSS
                Quote: Professor
                ... The Turks have a problem with fertility too.

                Not entirely a problem, in Europe they are still ahead, but in general, the birth rate is declining.

                And since when has Turkey become a European country?)
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 4 March 2021 21: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Liam
                  And since when has Turkey become a European country?)

                  Since then, when one of its parts was in Europe! And if, then, Turkey is a member of the Council of Europe, a candidate for the EU, a member of UEFA, etc.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 5 March 2021 00: 10
                    +3
                    And one small part of Spain is located in Africa, in connection with which Spain can be declared an African country). Israel is also a member of UEFA
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 5 March 2021 14: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Liam
                      And one small part of Spain is located in Africa, in connection with which Spain can be declared an African country

                      This is not so, according to your logic, Britain and France in general Oceania))) since they have overseas territories there, and Russia is also not Europe, since more than half of the country is in Asia.
                      Quote: Liam
                      Israel is also a member of UEFA

                      Yes it is, as an exception, Israel was taken to UEFA.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 5 March 2021 14: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSS
                        This is not true,

                        Naturally not so. Similarly, Turkey is not Europe either due to the fact that a piece of its territory is on the deep European periphery. Belonging to European civilization (in the broad sense of the word) is determined not by these small geographical details, but by much more serious characteristics, according to which Turkey is Europe has nothing to do with it. It's a Muslim Middle Eastern country.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        , as an exception, Israel was taken to UEFA.

                        Kazakhstan too). So this is also not a sign of "Europeanness"
                      2. RUSS
                        RUSS 5 March 2021 15: 48
                        -2
                        Quote: Liam
                        Turkey has nothing to do with Europe, it is a Muslim Middle Eastern country

                        In Europe, Albania, Kosovo, part of Bosnia are also Muslim countries, so what. Turkey is a secular republic and is already mentally closer to Europeans than we are ........
                        Quote: Liam
                        Kazakhstan too). So this is also not a sign of "Europeanness"

                        That's right, since a small part of Kazakhstan is located in geographic Europe, hence UEFA.
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 5 March 2021 17: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Albania, Kosovo, part of Bosnia

                        I think there will be more Muslims in Paris or London alone than in all these three countries combined.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        So what.

                        Nothing. Turkey is an 80 million country with almost 100% Muslim population, with its own culture, history, worldview and ambitions. All these things are quite different from European ones.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Turkey is a secular republic and is already mentally closer to Europeans than we are ........

                        Well, you can talk for a long time about Turkish secularism and democracy in general. Especially what bias these things have taken in the last 20 years. You can also talk about the Kurdish topic and what democratic ways the issue is being solved there, and much more. I doubt that you will find a European country in which military coups occur regularly. at 10
                        Quote: RUSS
                        a small part of Kazakhstan is located in geographic Europe, hence UEFA

                        Oh, these little parts. By the way. Until 2002, Kazakhstan was in the Asian "UEFA")
                      4. Keyser soze
                        Keyser soze 8 March 2021 20: 56
                        -1
                        Turkey is a secular republic and is already mentally closer to Europeans than we are ........


                        The Turkish bashibozuk is mentally close to Europe, like Alpha Centaurus. And they will be accepted in the EU when cancer whistles on the mountain, and not before. And Russia is a European country with a similar culture and population and has always been like that.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 March 2021 15: 50
        +3
        Quote: YOUR
        Germany was especially touched by Turkey's adversary. It's funny. Or Israel. But for some reason Israel sells them the latest technology and not dual-use but military.

        Since 2009, Erdogan's prayers have not sold
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 March 2021 18: 51
        +7
        Israel ended military cooperation and arms trade with Turkey in 2008
      4. Dima68
        Dima68 4 March 2021 19: 09
        +7
        In vain you are touched. Israel is openly saying that it is Turkey at the moment that poses the greatest danger to Israel. Turkey, not Hamas and not Iran.
      5. Kaman
        Kaman 4 March 2021 23: 43
        -1
        Under Perdogan, Turkey quarreled with Israel, the United States, Europe, Greece, Egypt, Cyprus, the Saudis, and the United Arab Emirates. Perdogan was left without 5th generation aircraft and without German tank engines and Canadian engines for Bayraktar
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 4 March 2021 12: 50
      -2
      The author thickens the colors a little. In a head-on collision one-on-one, even if Turkey is financially supported by the West, they still have no chance. I'm not even talking about the use of Russia tactical nuclear weapons. A couple of shots and the Turkish group, where our tank army must break through in order to enter the operational space, just be demoralized! There are many corridors for the passage of Russian armored vehicles. Take at least Georgia, from which, naturally, no one will ask for permission ...
      1. dorz
        dorz 4 March 2021 13: 24
        +11
        In these conditions, when there is very little time left (how long will the current pause last - a year, two, three?), The Kremlin needs to make ...

        In crisis situations for the country, one must act decisively and boldly. Our "western partners" are not chess / judokas, but real bulldogs who are stopped only by knocking out their teeth. sad
      2. saigon
        saigon 4 March 2021 18: 59
        +4
        Throw through Georgia, forgive me, how do you imagine? First through the ridge, and then to Akhalkalaki or Akhaltsikhe? Yes, through Tbilisi to Armenia, so there Maneuli, and there are areas of compact residence of Azerbaijanis either through Borjomi or Bakureani, so through Bakureani the road seams to the pass you get tired of climbing. I don't know whether new bridges were built or not, the roads are narrow, the places are beautiful and confusing.
        Earlier, near the Turkish border in Akhalkalaki, Akhaltsikhe, troops were stationed now, our troops are not there, but of course it is through Georgia or along the coast
        1. stels_07
          stels_07 5 March 2021 07: 33
          +2
          How will tanks go without ammo in 2008 ?! Why do we need a land attack on Ankara? If the infantry there, as we have for 12 belts + 5 NATO article, can better manage with air-missile strikes? + don't buy tomatoes
      3. don-1500
        don-1500 5 March 2021 00: 54
        +1
        Rattling fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel wink It is only a pity for the tankers, the radioactive ash will wind on the geese, clog the filters and radiators. And then they will blow it all out. Wake up great commander.
      4. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 5 March 2021 02: 02
        +2
        Quote: Proxima
        The author thickens the colors a little.
        or he just likes the work of Kugushev and M. Kalashnikov, reproduced close to the text ...
      5. Bio Robot_2
        Bio Robot_2 5 March 2021 09: 25
        +2
        Well, you are a strategist, they made me laugh, this is how long the armored personnel carrier will take to get there. Tea, not a taxi. How many tanks for each armored personnel carrier will go, did you count? Armored personnel carriers are needed here and now, and not in a week with worn-out materiel. There is nothing better than waiting
      6. LTMax
        LTMax 5 March 2021 17: 22
        +3
        Quote: Proxima
        A couple of shots and the Turkish group, where our tank army must break through in order to enter the operational space, just be demoralized! .


        I've already read something like this somewhere .... And, here - "we will throw these yellow-bellied macaques with hats." Or, "we will beat the enemy on his territory with little blood." Times go by, but the screams are still the same ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 March 2021 08: 43
          -1
          Quote: LtMax
          Quote: Proxima
          A couple of shots and the Turkish group, where our tank army must break through in order to enter the operational space, just be demoralized! .


          I've already read something like this somewhere .... And, here - "we will throw these yellow-bellied macaques with hats." Or, "we will beat the enemy on his territory with little blood." Times go by, but the screams are still the same ...

          Are you going to make tank battles and bring infantry to Turkey?
          Alas, we will not pull off an economically classical (without Yao) war lasting more than six months.
          Fortunately for us, Turkey will not pull it ...
          Our tourists weren’t there and the Turks howled. If now they launch one airstrike and / or just promise that the Russian Federation will strike all cities and resorts, then all the tourists will scatter .... everything in general ....
          And after that, the local business will cut off Erdogan's head and send it to us - as a sign of fitting
          1. LTMax
            LTMax April 21 2021 11: 28
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            Are you going to make tank battles and bring infantry to Turkey?


            I'm not going to make tank battles, as well as other battles, and I can only bring myself to Turkey, if there is such a desire and the borders are opened laughing I just drew attention to the fact that such statements have already been in our history and the reality was very different from them. I think that such dismissive statements about the enemy can go sideways.

            Quote: your1970
            And after that, the local business will cut off Erdogan's head and send it to us - as a sign of fitting


            Uh-huh. Or Erdogan will cut off his head too violent.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 21 2021 17: 14
              0
              Quote: LtMax
              Uh-huh. Or Erdogan will cut off his head too violent.

              Let's just say - several ships detained at customs inspection (until the tomatoes were completely spoiled) in Novorossiysk immediately cooled the ardor of the Sultan ... the bombing of columns with oil in Syria (his personal oil!) - cooled down even more ... completely calmed down - when the coup was .. ...
              I repeat - if Turkey is now deprived of all 100% of tourists (both ours and imported), they will be cut off and brought back - because the loss of tens of billions makes any businessman aggressive ..
              That is why - there is no underestimation of their army and there will be no option with RYAV or WWII, they will be beaten by tourists and other things ...
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 4 March 2021 14: 58
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      The conclusion here is simple to laugh
      While Erdogan is trying to part ways with Putin in tense situations. If he goes head-on, counting on the principle "the one who interferes with us, he will help us", then the situation can change in many respects.
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 4 March 2021 20: 16
      -1
      Quote: Cowbra
      Israel

      Israel is friends with Sunni Turkey against Shiite Iran.
    5. andrew42
      andrew42 5 March 2021 12: 02
      +2
      The presence of current opponents in Turkey is not an indicator. When the time comes to stumble upon Russia, all these allegedly conflicting persons involved will sharply unite around a modernized ram-state. It has already happened, and more than once. Time of Troubles, Napoleonic Euro-Empire, Crimean War, Hitler's European Union. Turkey is a new "battering ram" formed against Russia, which must be fed at the expense of its neighbors. And by the way, the Great Idea already exists and has been launched - Hitler had a pseudo-Aryan idea (in fact, Anti-Aryan), Turkey - the idea of ​​the Great Turan, - an analogy like 2 drops of water. And Turkey is not really going anywhere from under the United States. The squabble with America and the opposition to Europe is not a process, but just a staged booth for the amusement of the viewer, both internal and external.
    6. Dron_sk
      Dron_sk 6 March 2021 13: 31
      0
      Hmm you are very stupid
  2. military_cat
    military_cat 4 March 2021 11: 19
    -4
    Quote: WHAT IS
    A vigorous one is not vigorous, but a serious enemy, you cannot throw hats.

    And what kind of enemy are you ready for then? To the USA?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 4 March 2021 11: 43
      +2
      So we are always not ready. We only bury them, we bury them. True, they lost a lot of their blood.
      1. Temples
        Temples 4 March 2021 18: 00
        -2
        Quote: 210ox
        So we are always not ready. We only bury them, we bury them.

        Well, we don't always bury.
        Often they simply left on the battlefield for the animals to devour.

        But our ancestors smashed aggressors of all stripes on a regular basis.
        I am sure that we will not drift even now.
        1. Bio Robot_2
          Bio Robot_2 5 March 2021 09: 28
          0
          Now such soldiers ... the Internet and smartphone bkz will not go anywhere, and if they do, they will not find the enemy.
        2. Codexgigas
          Codexgigas 5 March 2021 12: 40
          -4
          Excuse me, did they smash who I mean alone? Japan unless 1945 !!
  3. matross
    matross 4 March 2021 11: 29
    -7
    Quote: WHAT IS
    you can't throw hats

    So the hats are not in service) But nuclear weapons in various designs are. So it's too early to despair, read our military doctrine wink
    1. U-58
      U-58 4 March 2021 12: 01
      +29
      This is bullshit. You can't sit on nuclear missiles alone.
      This is a weighty argument, but not decisive.
      And who, in your opinion, will dare to use nuclear weapons if something happens?
      Here you, perhaps, will make up your mind.
      But you will not be asked.
      But the persons authorized, I think, will never dare. It is cheaper and angrier to merge everything and merge for the West ourselves. Moreover, under the pretext of preserving human civilization.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 4 March 2021 12: 47
        -8
        Quote: U-58
        But the persons authorized, I think, will never dare.

        Did they tell you this personally?
        1. Temples
          Temples 4 March 2021 18: 13
          -12%
          Quote: U-58
          But the persons authorized, I think, will never dare. It is cheaper and angrier to merge everything and merge for the West ourselves. Moreover, under the pretext of preserving human civilization.

          Chichvarkin, Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky merged to the west.
          Xisyan tried. but he was kicked out. Apparently not enough dough. I went to the bunk.

          Before that, Gorbachev merged to the west.
          Before him, Khrushchev's son merged to the West.
          Trotsky has merged. Also not the last revolutionary.

          There are always enough nits in the country.
          Even the main communist has merged.
          Are these your "delegates"?
          This is the shit that was drained into the toilet.

          And Russia is alive. She has been alive for the second thousand years.

          Something I do not remember that Shoigu was going to merge to the west.
          Prilepin Zakhar also merged to the west several times - into trenches on the western borders of our Motherland. Under the bullets. Defend your homeland from Western civilization.
          Most of our people to the west, like Prilepin, walking with weapons at the ready. And not out of boredom, but for the sake of the lives of their children and families.

          And there are a lot of rotten whining creatures. In the end they serve the Vlasovites.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 March 2021 19: 07
            +7
            Quote: Temples
            And there are a lot of rotten whining creatures. In the end they serve the Vlasovites.

            Go to the Diary of a Deputy channel. There, these characters are all deputies of the Saratov Regional Duma, from the United Russia party.
            The State Duma is no better, and so are all the crooks from United Russia, the president's party. They speak beautifully, but they pass anti-national laws.
            And Zakharka does not need to PR here, he is a banal spoiler. And the majority of people understand this.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 4 March 2021 20: 23
              -4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And the bulk of people

              understands perfectly well that they do not need you with their revolution.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 4 March 2021 21: 26
                +9
                I am not for the revolution, I am for the change of the stealing power in a legal way. Revolution is an extreme measure, it is even stated in the Constitution.
                But your government itself is pushing the people to a riot, as a result of which the country runs the risk of banal disintegration.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 5 March 2021 06: 34
                  -8
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But your power itself pushes the people to revolt

                  So what maintains order in the country?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 07: 14
                    +2
                    Maintains order? belay Leads to rebellion and order - these are not syninims! fool
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 5 March 2021 08: 07
                    -3
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Leads to rebellion and order

                    That is, the goal is rebellion at any cost.
                  3. Serg65
                    Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Leads to rebellion

                    Riot is never free! Who is the sponsor ... of this riot? And do not speak to me for the people!
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 16
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                But your power

                what Igor, where is your power pushing?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 20: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Igor, where is your power pushing?

                  Unfortunately, it is currently ours. I believe that while ours.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Riot is never free!

                  That is, if I humiliate you, offend, and deprive you in every possible way, your indignation must necessarily be paid for? Not tired of all the dissatisfied with Navalny and the State Department to write off? wink
                2. Serg65
                  Serg65 9 March 2021 08: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  That is, if I humiliate you, insult you, and deprive you in every possible way,

                  Someone deprives you, humiliates, offends you ... or have you stopped in your development? How is it with Lenin ... "that generation, whose representatives are now about 50 years old, cannot be expected to see a communist society. Until then, this generation will die. And that generation, which is now 15 years old, will see a communist society. and it will build this society itself, and it must know that the whole task of its life is the construction of this society ... And so, the generation, which is now 15 years old and which in 10-20 years will live in a communist society, must all the tasks of its teaching to set it so that every day in any village, in any city, young people solve practically one or another problem of common labor, albeit the smallest, albeit the simplest "
                  Igor, are you young at heart? Do you want to see a communist society?
            2. clerk
              clerk 5 March 2021 20: 44
              +1
              ... I am not for the revolution, I am for the change of the stealing government by legal means. Revolution is an extreme measure, it is even stated in the Constitution.
              But your government itself is pushing the people to a riot, as a result of which the country runs the risk of banal disintegration.
              You are trite wishful thinking. So far, even the slightest significant socio-economic protests have not been observed.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 20: 50
                -1
                Have you been involved in kitchen conversations for a long time? At the entrance, in the smoking room at work?
                The banal suppression of the topic will no longer save you, the failures can no longer be hidden. Now there are two ways -
                Revolution from above or from below. And if it comes to the last option, then it will be tough.
              2. clerk
                clerk 5 March 2021 21: 39
                +2
                ... Have you been involved in kitchen conversations for a long time? At the entrance, in the smoking room at work?
                The banal suppression of the topic will no longer save you, the failures can no longer be hidden. Now there are two ways -
                Revolution from above or from below. And if it comes to the last option, then it will be tough.
                Smoking room conversations in your own company are about nothing at all. Actually, this is evidence of relative calmness - they potryndeli, scolded the bosses and went on to work. There are no prerequisites for a revolution - neither social, nor economic, nor demographic. But provoking a summit coup (for which you are advocating), if it happens, will just lead to chaos, devastation and collapse.
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 06: 50
                0
                Quote: clerk
                There are no prerequisites for a revolution

                You shouldn't think so. The intensity of society is already being felt. And not to notice it is stupid, because ignoring the problem only leads to its aggravation.
              4. clerk
                clerk 6 March 2021 08: 31
                +2
                ... There are no prerequisites for a revolution //////// You shouldn't think so. The intensity of society is already being felt. And it is stupid not to notice it, because ignoring the problem only leads to its aggravation.
                ... Everyone judges the intensity of society by their own cuisine. The only thing that can really be noticed is psychological fatigue from faces and cognitive dissonance on this basis - it seems that everything is not bad personally and Putin works well, but he just got tired of it. Actually, you and your like-minded people are pushing on this, shouting at every corner about the alleged impoverishment of everyone and everything, Putin merged Ukraine, Putin for some reason climbed into Syria, Putin did not make every woman three children, Putin did not carry out industrialization a la Stalin , Putin, Putin, Putin .... Not to mention the mass of ballpoints, the organ of which demands that all revenues from minerals be divided equally (while sincerely believing that aluminum ingots and electric current grow in the ground), "nationalize the Central Bank", "stop capital outflow "and other requirements of cosmic stupidity.
              5. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 6 March 2021 09: 00
                +1
                hi
                Quote: clerk
                Not to mention the mass of balls, the organ of which requires to divide equally all revenues from minerals (while sincerely believing that aluminum ingots and electric current grow in the ground), "nationalize the Central Bank", "stop capital outflow" and put forward other requirements of space stupidity ...

                Do you think that it would be unfair to revise the results of the thieves' privatization? Do you think thieves should be in government, not in jail? Do you think that nationalization of the banking sector will not benefit the Russian economy? Why do you think that using state-owned enterprises instead of obscure offshore companies will be less effective?
                Quote: clerk
                Putin didn't make every woman three children

                Putin did not create the conditions for correcting the demographic situation. We ourselves know how to make children, but somehow 180 rubles per month for children does not help to raise the birth rate.
              6. clerk
                clerk 6 March 2021 12: 40
                +1
                ... Do you think that it would be unfair to revise the results of the thieves' privatization?
                "Reconsider" and "fair" are meaningless concepts in this context. Try to plan for such a "revision" in legal and economic terms and your hair will stand on end from the complexity of the task.
                ... Do you think thieves should be in government, not in jail?
                It is better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick (c). What's next?
                ... Do you think that nationalization of the banking sector will not benefit the Russian economy?
                More than 70% of the banking sector is now owned by the state. What do you understand by the term "nationalization of the banking sector"?
                ... Why do you think that using state-owned enterprises instead of obscure offshore companies will be less effective?
                Use where? What form of state-owned enterprises? Effectively in what? You have too many empty slogans and very little specifics!
                Putin did not create the conditions for correcting the demographic situation. We ourselves know how to make children, but somehow 180 rubles per month for children does not help to raise the birth rate.
                And what contributes? With justification, please.
              7. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 6 March 2021 13: 23
                -1
                Quote: clerk
                "Reconsider" and "fair" are meaningless concepts in this context.

                They will make sense if you look from the position that a thief should be in prison, and not enrich himself at the expense of illegally obtained assets.
                Quote: clerk
                Try to plan for such a "revision" in legal and economic terms and your hair will stand on end from the complexity of the task.

                If I draw up such a plan, I will be charged for "extremism".)))))
                Quote: clerk
                ... Do you think thieves should be in government, not in jail?
                It is better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick (c). What's next?

                That is, do you admit theft, nepotism and corruption? Fight against corruption and theft, in power, in your opinion, is not necessary?
                Quote: clerk
                What do you understand by the term "nationalization of the banking sector"?

                In short, the banking sector should work not for its own enrichment, but for the development of the state and the welfare of the people. It is completely unacceptable when the deposit in the bank is at 7% per annum, and the loan is at 20% per annum. Exaggerated, of course.
                Quote: clerk
                Use where? What form of state-owned enterprises? Effectively in what? You have too many empty slogans and very little specifics!

                Just look at Gazprom. Who are its shareholders? Why is only 40% owned by Rosimushchestvo and, accordingly, the share of state revenues is so small there? Why shouldn't the state have 100% profit? And this profit, accordingly, could be directed to the development of other industries, and so it settles in the pockets of private "investors".
                Quote: clerk
                Putin did not create the conditions for correcting the demographic situation. We ourselves know how to make children, but somehow 180 rubles per month for children does not help to raise the birth rate.
                And what contributes? With justification, please.

                Too much to write. Look at the example of the USSR, it happened quite recently. A family deciding to have a child should know that they will be able to dress him, feed and educate the child, plus the housing issue. Today, it is much more difficult to do this than under the USSR, hence the decline in the birth rate.
              8. clerk
                clerk 6 March 2021 13: 49
                +2
                ... "Reconsider" and "fair" in this context are meaningless concepts. /////////
                They will make sense if you look from the position that a thief should be in prison, and not enrich himself at the expense of illegally obtained assets.
                Nonsense multiplied by the slogan is nonsense and remains.
                ... Try to make a plan for such a "revision" in legal and economic terms and your hair will stand on end from the complexity of the task.
                If I draw up such a plan, I will be charged for "extremism".)))))
                In other words, you are fully aware that by your demand to revise the results of privatization, you want to destroy the law in Russia and unleash a Civil War.
                ... What do you understand by the term "nationalization of the banking sector"?
                /////////
                In short, the banking sector should work not for its own enrichment, but for the development of the state and the welfare of the people. It is completely unacceptable when the deposit in the bank is at 7% per annum, and the loan is at 20% per annum. Exaggerated, of course.
                That is, if I understand you correctly, then you don't care who owns the banks and you just want the state to subsidize low interest rates on loans to borrowers at the expense of the budget?
              9. clerk
                clerk 6 March 2021 17: 31
                +2
                ... That is, do you admit theft, nepotism and corruption? Fight against corruption and theft, in power, in your opinion, is not necessary?
                The struggle is needed and it is being carried out. But I am not a supporter of guillotine migraine treatment.
              10. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 06: 56
                0
                Quote: clerk
                The struggle is needed and it is being carried out.

                That Chubais has been jailed already? Or Potanin fells forest in Kolyma? Save these fairy tales for the one whose brain has replaced the TV. Take a look around. Are they fighting, isn't it funny?
              11. clerk
                clerk 7 March 2021 10: 20
                +2
                ... That Chubais has been jailed already? Or Potanin knocks down the forest in Kolyma? Save these fairy tales for the one whose brain has replaced the TV. Take a look around. Are they fighting, isn't it funny?
                ... It's not funny to me - I see just - two a year a character at the level of a minister-senator is sent to the bunk, and even half a dozen generals are retired before retirement. And save your 30-year-old offenses on duty for kitchen gatherings - half of the country no longer remembers who Potanin and Chubais are and what they were guilty of 30 years ago.
              12. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 11: 14
                -1
                Quote: clerk
                half of the country no longer remembers who Potanin and Chubais are and what they were guilty of 30 years ago.

                So you and your supporters are carrying out a massive debilitation of the country's population, so that they don't remember and even wonder how you got to power. Correctly Tatra writes about "enemies of the communists", your adherents are not only enemies of the communists, but also enemies of their own people, because they live at the expense of the people, like parasites, and strictly speaking they are.
              13. clerk
                clerk 7 March 2021 19: 27
                +1
                ... Quote: clerk
                half of the country no longer remembers who Potanin and Chubais are and what they were guilty of 30 years ago .///// ::::
                So you and your supporters are carrying out a massive debilitation of the country's population, so that they don't remember and even wonder how you got to power. Correctly Tatra writes about "enemies of the communists", your adherents are not only enemies of the communists, but also enemies of their own people, because they live at the expense of the people, like parasites, and strictly speaking they are.
                ... Do not fail to try to justify your own obstinacy, laziness, ignorance and illiteracy by the intrigues of enemies. We do not live in tea under the kings, when 3 classes of TsPSh are the ceiling for 95% of the population. If you don't want to study, don't. But you will only complain about yourself.
              14. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 19: 34
                -2
                Quote: clerk
                Do not fail to try to justify your own obstinacy, laziness, ignorance and illiteracy by the intrigues of enemies.

                And what did you write this for? You will not be able to justify the thieves in power.
                Quote: clerk
                If you don't want to study, don't. But you will only complain about yourself.

                Learn what? Thieves in power to lick different places? I repeat, the people have not forgotten and will not forget how the thieves in power received their assets. Despite the program of mass moronization launched by your like-minded people.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 06: 52
      +2
      Quote: clerk
      In other words, you are fully aware that by your demand to revise the results of privatization, you want to destroy the law in Russia and unleash a Civil War.

      How do you, the guardians, turn out to jail the thieves who got their assets by criminal means and nationalize their enterprises - this is to unleash a civil war and destroy Russia? This can be done even without changing the socio-economic formation. In many states there are thieves, but probably only here thieves have created their own state.
      Quote: clerk
      That is, if I understand you correctly, then you don't care who owns the banks and you just want the state to subsidize low interest rates on loans to borrowers at the expense of the budget?

      You misunderstood, banks should not be involved in commerce, but should be involved in regulating the financial system. And this is possible only if the financial capital belongs to the state.
    3. clerk
      clerk 7 March 2021 10: 31
      +2
      ... How do you, the guardians, turn out to jail the thieves who got their assets by criminal means and nationalize their enterprises - this is to unleash a civil war and destroy Russia? This can be done even without changing the socio-economic formation. In many states there are thieves, but probably only here thieves have created their own state.
      ... This state was created by cynical careerists with the hands of beautiful-minded fools with foreign support. Thieves later crushed him under themselves, then they were pushed aside. With regards to the formation - you and your like-minded people rush with this formation, as with a written sack. It's not about the formation, but the current law. According to the law, then it was done cleanly, taxes have been paid for a long time, therefore, according to the law, it is possible to nationalize only one way - to buy it out at the expense of the budget at a market price. But you are not talking about that, right? You propose to expropriate (use the correct terminology - there will be less omissions). And for expropriation it is necessary to publicly and demonstratively violate the current legislation. After that, the government will begin to lose legitimacy and the process will continue to grow (see 1917). I understand that this is what you are striving for, but I dare to assure you that nothing will shine for your like-minded people or for you personally in this troubled water. For the former are illiterate demagogues or simply stupid, and you do not know how or do not want to work in a team.
    4. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 11: 06
      +1
      Quote: clerk
      It was done cleanly according to the law,

      There is no need to lie, it was not done there cleanly, they had no right to adopt such laws.
      Quote: clerk
      everyone has been paying taxes for a long time,

      Where do they pay and how much? Offshore, where are the firms registered? How many taxes remain in the regions, have you thought about it?
      Quote: clerk
      It's not about the formation, but the current law.

      Laws are written by oligarchs and for oligarchs, and not for the majority of the population.
      Quote: clerk
      You propose to expropriate (use the correct terminology - there will be less omissions). And for expropriation it is necessary to publicly and demonstratively violate the current legislation.

      Again you are wrong, property acquired by criminal means is taken away by means of criminal law. It is another matter that if, say, delving into the loans-for-shares auctions, then not only "businessmen" will be criminals, but also the entire leadership of the country. And you and your associates from United Russia are doing everything to prevent this from happening, wishing to save the loot.
    5. clerk
      clerk 7 March 2021 23: 23
      +2
      ... It was done cleanly according to the law,
      ////////
      There is no need to lie, it was not done there cleanly, they had no right to adopt such laws.
      Did you decide so yourself or who suggested it?
      everyone has been paying taxes for a long time,
      /////// ::
      Where do they pay and how much? Offshore, where are the firms registered? How many taxes remain in the regions, we thought about it "
      They pay according to the tax code, Leave the Tales of Offshore for rallies. Such companies under the lantern and magic tricks like hodorokov will not give a ride to all of them.
      .
      Laws are written by oligarchs and for oligarchs, and not for the majority of the population.
      ... But nevertheless, the tax holes that were deliberately scattered abundantly in the laws of the 1990s are mostly plugged. By the way, this is also about the issue of combating corruption - plugging holes in laws is a much more effective method of fighting corruption than loud landings. But naturally - much less spectacular outwardly.
    6. clerk
      clerk 7 March 2021 23: 36
      +2
      ... Again you are wrong, property acquired by criminal means is taken away by means of criminal law. It is another matter that if, say, delving into the loans-for-shares auctions, then not only "businessmen" will be criminals, but also the entire leadership of the country. And you and your associates from United Russia are doing everything to prevent this from happening, wanting to save the loot.
      ... In order to be confiscated by law, a legal entity needs not a criminal sentence, but a court decision to invalidate the transaction. And if the legal entity is no longer there, then xs ... The rest is meaningless lyrics, especially since part of the state has already played back. (The same Yukos)
  4. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 11: 18
    -1
    Quote: clerk
    After that, the government will begin to lose legitimacy.

    The authorities have already lost their legitimacy, and in order to preserve the semblance of legitimacy, they go to all sorts of tricks like "many days of voting on stumps."
  5. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 13: 44
    +1
    ... You misunderstood, banks should not do business, but should regulate the financial system. And this is possible only if the financial capital belongs to the state.
    Sorry, but you are writing about what you do not understand .. From the word at all. In a market economy, the most important thing for banks is making a profit through active operations. The financial system is regulated by the state in a market economy. The property is secondary. In a command economy, there is nothing to regulate - banks perform a settlement and cash function and technical lending to cover cash gaps.
  6. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 13: 49
    -1
    Quote: clerk
    In a market economy, for banks ...

    And where did you get the idea that I am a supporter of the liberal market model of the economy?
  7. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 19: 20
    0

    In a market economy, for banks ...... \\\\\
    And where did you get the idea that I am a supporter of the liberal market model of the economy?
    I proceed from the fact that knowledge (including elementary economic knowledge) is needed regardless of personal preferences regarding the form of the economy.
  8. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 19: 28
    -1
    Quote: clerk
    I proceed from the fact that knowledge (including elementary economic knowledge) is needed regardless of personal preferences regarding the form of the economy.

    After all, I wrote that I am not a supporter of a market economy, but therefore I believe that the economy should be planned, and the role of the banking sector should be reduced, as you write to "banks perform a settlement-cash function and technical lending to cover cash gaps."
  9. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 23: 16
    +2
    ... After all, I wrote that I am not a supporter of a market economy, but therefore I believe that the economy should be planned, and the role of the banking sector should be reduced, as you write to "banks perform a settlement-cash function and technical lending to cover cash gaps."
    Any economy, including a market one, should be planned. If you are a supporter of an administrative economy of the type of the late USSR, then it is not viable due to leveling, high resource intensity and weak susceptibility to the new. It is not clear - why this rake run?
  10. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 9 March 2021 10: 22
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    Any economy, including a market one, should be planned. If you are a supporter of an administrative economy of the type of the late USSR, then it is not viable due to leveling, high resource intensity and weak susceptibility to the new. It is not clear - why this rake run?

    With regard to the economy, and not only.
    In fact, this is the main thing, and the rest of the questions of the type of imprisoning Chubais and Potanin today or tomorrow, and for what, they are secondary. But in any case, the common people need to fight for their rights, such as free medicine, good-quality and free general and higher education, etc. Until there is a developed civil society, nothing will happen. We all need to do this most "developed civil society".
  11. clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 14: 12
    0
    ... Just look at Gazprom. Who are its shareholders? Why is only 40% owned by Rosimushchestvo and, accordingly, the share of state revenues is so small there? Why shouldn't the state have 100% profit? And this profit, accordingly, could be directed to the development of other industries, and so it settles in the pockets of private "investors".
    The state owns 50,2% of the shares of Gazprom (strategic industry), but not the essence. Business is not only profit, but also losses and expenses. Including from international sanctions, unsuccessful projects, falling prices, lost courts. And if the state had 100% of the shares, you would be the first to become indignant - for some reason the state invested in this unprofitable Gazprom. laughing
  12. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 07: 01
    -1
    Quote: clerk
    Business is not only profit, but also losses and expenses ...

    How is it? Captain obvious? It is necessary to manage enterprises normally, and not to produce "effective managers". Under Stalin, they quickly dealt with ineffective leaders. And the state enterprises worked very efficiently, that's a strange thing, isn't it?
  13. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 12: 04
    0
    ... How is it? Captain obvious? It is necessary to manage enterprises normally, and not to produce "effective managers". Under Stalin, they quickly dealt with ineffective leaders. And the state enterprises worked very efficiently, that's a strange thing, isn't it?
    Not true. Only a mobilization economy was effective when a shaft was required. As soon as the question of mastering new models arose, all efficiency suddenly disappeared somewhere and even repressions did not help much. And this is in the military industry, and there is no need to talk about consumer goods.
  14. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 12: 09
    0
    Quote: clerk
    Not true. Only a mobilization economy was effective when a shaft was required. As soon as the question of mastering new models arose, all efficiency suddenly disappeared somewhere and even repressions did not help much.

    What are you talking about? The USSR did not produce advanced models of aircraft, missiles, submarines, etc.? If you are talking about the military industry, of course. I do not understand your message.
  15. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 15: 08
    -1
    ... What are you talking about? The USSR did not produce advanced models of aircraft, missiles, submarines, etc.? If you are talking about the military industry, of course. I do not understand your message.
    ... The USSR produced weapons models that could compete on an equal footing with Western ones, but either on Western technologies, or lagged behind for several years. And the more the rivalry shifted to the field of high technologies and electronics, the more the USSR lagged behind.
  16. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 18: 14
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    The USSR produced weapons models that could compete on an equal footing with Western ones, but either on Western technologies, or lagged behind for several years.

    Here's how! What nonsense, are we going to bend our fingers? Air defense systems based on Western technologies or lagging behind? Aircraft, fighter or assault aircraft, were in front, artillery, tanks were in front, had, however, a different concept of application and heavy transport aircraft was in front. The rocket industry was ahead and there are a lot of such areas, in addition, it must be taken into account that the country rebuilt in a record short time and restored the industry after the Second World War.
    Quote: clerk
    And the more the rivalry shifted to the field of high technologies and electronics, the more the USSR lagged behind.

    Again lies. In electronics, the lag, of course, was, but not critical, in contrast to today. And in many high-tech areas, the USSR was ahead of everyone, such as space, nuclear energy, in civil aircraft and helicopter manufacturing, it competed on an equal footing, competed on an equal footing in machine-tool building, full of industries where the United States and Europe played the role of catch-up.
  17. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 23: 02
    0
    ... for nonsense, will we bend our fingers? Air defense systems based on Western technologies or lagging behind? Aircraft, fighter or assault aircraft, were in front, artillery, tanks were in front, had, however, a different concept of application and heavy transport aircraft was in front. Rocketry was ahead and there are a lot of such areas,
    ... If the USSR was somewhere ahead, it was ahead conceptually. There was a technical or temporary lag almost always and in all positions,
    . Again a lie. In electronics, the lag, of course, was, but not critical, in contrast to today. And in many high-tech areas, the USSR was ahead of everyone else, such as space, nuclear power, in civil aircraft and helicopter manufacturing it competed on an equal footing, competed on an equal footing in machine tool building, full of industries where the United States and Europe acted as catch-up.
    ... The USSR lagged behind in machine-tool building, and in aviation engines, too, when avionics was added to the lagging behind aircraft engines - Soviet civil aviation became uncompetitive .. We have been flying into space on the royal seven for 60 years.
  18. clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 14: 36
    +1
    ... Too much to write. Look at the example of the USSR, it happened quite recently. A family deciding to have a child should know that they will be able to dress him, feed and educate the child, plus the housing issue. Today, it is much more difficult to do this than under the USSR, hence the decline in the birth rate.
    The birth rate in 1980 was 1,86 children per woman in the RSFSR, 5,77 in the Tajik SSR.
  19. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 07: 15
    0
    Quote: clerk
    The birth rate in 1980 was 1,86 children per woman in the RSFSR, 5,77 in the Tajik SSR.

    What is the arithmetic mean? And then what did you take in the 80th year? Take the average for the period, for the same RSFSR. They took the Tajik SSR, but don't you take into account mixed marriages? I lived until 80 in Navoi, these were all-Union construction projects, chemistry was built, together with the new city, there were more Russians than Uzbeks. After the restoration of the country after the Second World War, the republics were developed and various enterprises were built there. So, by about the 80th year, the construction of its own chemical industry was practically completed. The USSR tried to mix the population, it was a wise long-term policy.
  20. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 15: 01
    +1
    ... then what did you take in the 80th year? Take the average for the period, for the same RSFSR. They took the Tajik SSR, but don't you take into account mixed marriages?
    Mixed marriages are a trifle; they gave the same demographic model of reproduction as in the surrounding society. Data for any 5 years before 1992 in the context of the discussion (under the USSR it was very good, but it became bad) will not change anything.
    ... What is the arithmetic mean?
    The aoithmetic mean is the temperature in the hospital. The point is that the birth rate in the relatively equal conditions of the USSR differed 3 times - depending on national characteristics. Therefore, material conditions in this matter are secondary.
  21. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 20: 33
    0
    Quote: clerk
    Mixed marriages are a trifle

    I wrote that:
    Quote: clerk
    The USSR tried to mix the population, it was a wise long-term policy.

    He also wrote that the Russians, as a nation, actively populated the republics, and therefore you will not see a picture of the demographic situation. In any case, the Russian population was increasing, unlike today.
    PS For example, KAMAZ was built and the population of the Tatar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic increased sharply and the birth rate there increased accordingly.
  22. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 22: 57
    0
    ... He also wrote that the Russians, as a nation, actively populated the republics, and therefore you will not see a picture of the demographic situation. In any case, the Russian population was increasing, unlike today.
    The growth of the Russian population stopped already in the first half of the 80s. The total fertility rate fluctuated around 2.
    ... for example, KAMAZ was built and the population of the Tatar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic increased sharply and the birth rate there increased accordingly.
    The total fertility has increased due to the concentration of young people in one place, but the total fertility (reproduction rate) has remained unchanged.
  23. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 09: 08
    +5
    Quote: clerk
    Putin works well,

    Are you seriously? In your opinion, it is not bad that the population is declining, the social level of well-being is declining, unemployment is growing, Russia has turned from a technically advanced power into a backward raw materials appendage? Medicine is waning, educational reforms have been recognized as flawed even by the government itself.
    It's not bad?
    The only thing that is growing in our country thanks to Putin is the state of the oligarchs and corruption. First place in the world in suicide among pensioners, that is the merit of Putin.
  24. clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 10: 08
    -4
    .
    Are you seriously? In your opinion, it is not bad that the population is declining, the social level of well-being is declining, unemployment is growing, Russia has turned from a technically advanced power into a backward raw materials appendage? Medicine is waning, educational reforms have been recognized as flawed even by the government itself.
    It's not bad?
    The population decline began even under Gorbachev, under Yeltsin it accelerated greatly, under Putin it slowed down a lot. Industry, too, did not flinch with him. There is a clear lie about welfare; medicine has become worse somewhere, somewhere better, it's good that they didn't have time to optimize before the epidemic, I hope they will come to their senses; education is also not so easy - judging by the clumsy ignorance of local "supporters for the USSR" I begin to doubt very much that Soviet education was the best in the world.
    The only thing that is growing in our country thanks to Putin is the state of the oligarchs and corruption. First place in the world in suicide among pensioners, that is the merit of Putin.
    Sorry, but this is just a bunch of lies on duty on all counts.
  25. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 13: 52
    -1
    Quote: clerk
    Sorry, but this is just a bunch of lies on duty on all counts.

    Your lies. Medicine in terms of accessibility has slipped to the level of 1914, as a result of optimization, more than half of infectious disease specialists have been reduced. The population from 91 to 2020 decreased by 2 million, and this despite the fact that the citizenship of the Russian Federation was distributed to millions of CIS citizens.
    PS Yes, and we are also in first place in terms of heroin consumption.
    Maybe enough excrement to wrap in beautiful candy wrappers?
  26. clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 15: 02
    -1
    ... Sorry, but this is just a bunch of lies on duty on all counts. ////////
    Your lies. Medicine in terms of availability has slipped to the level of 1914, as a result of optimization, more than half of infectious disease specialists have been reduced
    My lies? Yes, you completely lost the coast in your anti-Putin propaganda. Doctors in 1913 - 0,14 / 1000, 2018 - 5/1000, hospital beds in 1913 - 1,35 / 1000, 2018 - 7,8 / 1000.
    ... The population from 91 to 2020 decreased by 2 million, and this despite the fact that the citizenship of the Russian Federation was distributed to millions of CIS citizens.
    but who d argues. Only Putin accepted a country with a steady natural decline in population, and since then the rate of decline has only slowed down.
    [E
    PS Yes, and we are also in first place in terms of heroin consumption.
    Maybe enough excrement to wrap in beautiful candy wrappers?
    After your pearl about the availability of medicine at the level of 1914 - theses about shit and candy wrappers - to yourself. Most likely, a story about heroin from the same series or a fairly old goal.
  27. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 15: 43
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    anti-Putin propaganda lost the shores.

    You have already completely lost your conscience in licking failures. In the last 20 years alone, 5 hospitals have been closed, which is half of the existing ones. What pearls? There are even fewer beds in Moscow now than in 1913.
    Quote: clerk
    since then only the rate of decline has slowed down.

    By distributing right / left citizenship.
    Quote: clerk
    Most likely, a story about heroin from the same series or a fairly old goal.

    Well, yes, the UN loves to tell stories! laughing
  28. clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 16: 12
    0
    ... You have completely lost your conscience in licking failures. In the last 20 years alone, 5 hospitals have been closed, this is half of the existing ones. What pearls
    Yes, such that bureaucratic reorganizations are presented as a deterioration in access to medicine. Number
    hospitals have indeed halved in 20 years, the number of hospital beds has decreased by 1/3, and the number of doctors has increased by 5%.
    ... since then only the rate of decline has slowed down.
    ////////
    By distributing right / left citizenship.
    The rate of NATURAL decline has slowed down. Simply put - the birth rate has grown and the death rate has decreased.
    .
    Quote: clerk
    Most likely, a story about heroin from the same series or a fairly old year.

    Well, yes, the UN loves to tell stories! laughing
    ... Of course. One "Powell tube" of what it cost laughing
  29. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 16: 30
    0
    Quote: clerk
    and the number of doctors increased by 5%.

    Yeah, we now have one gastroenterologist for 400.000 people in our area. laughing
    Appointment to a therapist in two weeks. Why this lie, I remember how it was before. Even in the 90s it was easier to see a doctor.
    Quote: clerk
    Simply put - the birth rate has grown and the death rate has decreased.

    Not. See the statistics of obtaining Russian citizenship by foreign citizens by year. There are less than a third of Russian repatriates. The calculator is in your hands.
    Quote: clerk
    Of course. One "Powell tube" of what it cost

    That is, the UN data cannot be trusted at all? Then why does Putin's government pay dues there at our expense? wink
    And what is the manner of trying to discredit them if you are unable to refute the data? Why these cheap tricks?
  30. clerk
    clerk 6 March 2021 17: 17
    0
    ... and the number of doctors increased by 5%. ///////
    Yeah, we now have one gastroenterologist for 400.000 people in our area. laughing
    Appointment to a therapist in two weeks. Why this lie, I remember how it was before. Even in the 90s it was easier to see a doctor.
    That is, the information provided by Rosstat (680 thousand doctors in 2000 and 714 thousand in 2019) is a lie, and your memoir in the style of "I saw Lenin" (c) is kind of true? Name the area you are writing about.
    ... Simply put - the birth rate has grown and the mortality rate has decreased.
    ////////
    Not. See the statistics of obtaining Russian citizenship by foreign citizens by year. There are less than a third of Russian repatriates. The calculator is in your hands.
    Let me explain again - natural population growth / decline (birth rate minus mortality) is in no way connected with migration growth / decline. These values ​​add up, but overlap very weakly.
    ... Of course. One "Powell tube" of what it cost

    That is, the UN data cannot be trusted at all? Then why does Putin's government pay dues there at our expense? wink
    That TV, if necessary, to use the right of veto is cheaper than nuclear war laughing You can trust the UN data, but you shouldn't make them absolute. Heroin is not the only hard drug. Again, what year is the data? The same is with the suicides of pensioners.
    ... What is the manner of trying to discredit them if you are unable to refute the data? Why these cheap tricks?
    Exactly. Why are you contrasting your personal impressions of medicine with the data of Rosstat? laughing
  31. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 7 March 2021 07: 54
    +2
    Quote: clerk
    Name the area you are writing about.

    Avtozavodsky district of Togliatti.
  32. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 13: 09
    -1
    Gastroenterologist in Togliatti (popular rating): 31 doctors, 261 patient reviews, the average price of 1113 rubles, an appointment, contact numbers, places of work, useful information about gastroenterologists. ... Gastroenterologist in Togliatti (national rating): 31 doctors, 261 reviews, the average price is 1113 rubles ...
  33. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 13: 53
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    31 doctors, 261 patient reviews, average price 1113 rubles, appointment, contact phone numbers

    That is, you are disingenuous, counting paid medical services in general statistics? Or are you also advocating paid medicine?
  34. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 15: 12
    0
    ... That is, you are disingenuous, counting paid medical services in the general statistics? Or are you also advocating paid medicine?
    There is no guile here. I do not advocate paid medicine (there is definitely a bias in its direction and it needs to be corrected), but it would also be wrong not to include it in the general statistics.
  35. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 18: 26
    +2
    Quote: clerk
    (popular rating)

    Are you really a clown? Go to the site Advego, there they pay for such "popular ratings" for three kopecks per letter.
  36. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 18: 35
    0
    ... Are you really a clown? Go to the site Advego, there they pay for such "popular ratings" for three kopecks per letter.
    You can leave these ratings to yourself. you know where. And it was about the number of doctors - gastroenterologists.
  37. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 18: 38
    +2
    Quote: clerk
    It was about the number of doctors - gastroenterologists.

    Heh, there are a lot of them, or what? And everyone in your ass is picking?
  38. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 19: 12
    0
    ... Quote: clerk
    It was about the number of doctors - gastroenterologists. ////////
    Heh, there are a lot of them, or what? And everyone in your ass is picking?
    Who is talking about what, and lousy about the bath! "(C) laughing
  39. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 19: 19
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    Who is talking about what, but lousy about the bath! "(

    So with ... My sister works in medicine. She says that the number of doctors, compared to Soviet times, has decreased, and now they have to work at one and a half or two rates.
  40. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 7 March 2021 18: 23
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Avtozavodsky district of Togliatti.

    The fact is that he will not name his district. Checked.
  41. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 18: 36
    0
    ... The fact is that he will not name his district. Checked.
    What are you talking about, little girl?
  42. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 08: 12
    +3

    hi
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    and the number of doctors increased by 5%.

    Yeah, we now have one gastroenterologist for 400.000 people in our area

    They are in private clinics, all "narrow specialists", hence the statistical increase in the number of doctors. It is not the number of doctors in state medical institutions that counts, but the total number of doctors. It's just that medicine has already become paid for a long time.
  43. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 7 March 2021 08: 07
    +2
    Quote: clerk
    and the number of doctors increased by 5%.

    I suspect that the number of doctors has decreased in state polyclinics and hospitals, and in private clinics has increased, hence the increase by 5%. You will not find narrow specialists in state polyclinics "in the afternoon with fire", but in private clinics they are there and the equipment is there.
  44. clerk
    clerk 7 March 2021 15: 15
    0
    ... I suspect that the number of doctors has decreased in state polyclinics and hospitals, and in private clinics has increased, hence the increase by 5%. You will not find narrow specialists in state polyclinics "in the afternoon with fire", but in private clinics they are there and the equipment is there.
    ... Yes it is. Moreover, the same doctors work. The only way out is to increase salaries in state medical institutions.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 7 March 2021 15: 34
    +2
    The truth is that the majority of the people do not want a revolution from below - they remember too well how many troubles everything turned out to be. A revolution from above is impossible, the rulers are completely satisfied with the current system. The election to change the government is a fantasy, I personally do not believe it. Question: how to establish a fairer order bloodlessly and legally? All paths are closed.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 5 March 2021 12: 11
    +2
    Unfortunately, people like Z.P. used exclusively as spoilers, - "for everything indiscriminately patriotic" against "everything liberal-tolerant." A valve for releasing steam towards an external enemy that really exists, but from which our internal troubles do not grow in any way.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 14
    +3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    all the crooks from the EP

    what And the Communist Party is not a crook?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 4 March 2021 17: 54
    +6
    Quote: U-58
    It is cheaper and angrier to merge everything and merge for the West ourselves.

    Well, how much can you drive this dregs? Our bourgeoisie tried to build Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok, but it didn't take off. They were given to understand that equal rights do not shine for them, and on occasion they are the first rams for a haircut. Therefore, now they have fallen into patriotism. But there is no need to flatter yourself. On occasion, the weather vane will calmly turn back and they will sell the country with giblets.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 March 2021 20: 25
      -2
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      On occasion, the weather vane will calmly turn back and they will sell the country with giblets.

      As communists (Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Yeltsin, Shevardnadze, etc.)?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 March 2021 20: 46
        +2
        And which of the following is a communist?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 March 2021 21: 06
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          of the listed communist

          All. They were in the party and were its ruling elite.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 March 2021 21: 30
            +6
            Quote: Dart2027
            All. They were in the party and were its ruling elite.

            Putin, as if, too, did not tore his party card, remember? wink
            In any family, not without a trace, but in the party of the president there are much more of them.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 5 March 2021 06: 36
              -2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Putin, as if, too, did not tore his party card, remember?

              Then what are you dissatisfied with - after all, we are ruled by the communists.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              In any family, not without a monster, but in a party

              Nobody surpassed the Central Committee of the CPSU in this.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 07: 11
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Nobody surpassed the Central Committee of the CPSU in this.

                United Russia is far ahead, isn't it? wink
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 5 March 2021 08: 06
                -3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                United Russia is far ahead

                I see Russia on the map, but the USSR does not, so who is ahead is obvious.
              3. Serg65
                Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 22
                +3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                United Russia is far ahead, isn't it?

                Come on Igor ... laughing If you are now forced to work for free in honor of the subbotnik and for that ... African guy, you will be the first to howl!
              4. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 5 March 2021 20: 32
                0
                That is, we worked for free in the Soviet Union? belay And why did they pay me money at the VAZ then?
              5. Serg65
                Serg65 6 March 2021 09: 53
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                That is, we worked for free in the Soviet Union?

                once a month to the fund for peace and once every two weeks to the fund for the hungry peoples of Africa .... or have you forgotten?
              6. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 6 March 2021 13: 39
                +2
                Quote: Serg65
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                That is, we worked for free in the Soviet Union?

                once a month to the fund for peace and once every two weeks to the fund for the hungry peoples of Africa .... or have you forgotten?

                Now we have been working for half a month in the fund of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, so that these pootsans bought a couple of yachts.
              7. Serg65
                Serg65 9 March 2021 08: 15
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Now we have been working for half a month in the fund of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation

                Those. you haven't been paid for half a month? Moreover, the salary to which you yourself personally agreed!
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 8 March 2021 04: 38
              +3
              Quote: Serg65
              once a month to the fund for peace and once every two weeks to the fund for the hungry peoples of Africa .... or have you forgotten?

              Free trips to Crimea, free apartments, no, badge-fly, I have not forgotten anything.
            3. Serg65
              Serg65 9 March 2021 08: 20
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Free trips to Crimea

              How many times have you traveled?
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              free apartments

              I remind you once again that you should not compare the life of workers of a chemical plant of Union significance and the rest of the inhabitants of the USSR! A quarter of Moscow and Leningrad at the same time huddled in communal apartments! I'm not talking about the barracks of Suvorov, Odoev and Belev ... which are located right next to you!
            4. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 08: 30
              +2
              Quote: Serg65
              How many times have you traveled?

              Did not go. Refused, being a student gave me. How is it surprising?
              Quote: Serg65
              it is not worth comparing the everyday life of workers of a chemical plant of Union significance and the rest of the inhabitants of the USSR!

              Not a chemical plant. A car repair plant dedicated to the repair of ZILs. In general, you have already sat in a puddle twice.
            5. Serg65
              Serg65 9 March 2021 08: 45
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              How is it surprising?

              Not surprising at all, out of 294 million Soviet citizens, 30 percent have visited Crimea!
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Not a chemical plant. Car repair plant

              Oh Volodya, you can't keep up with you .... then you are at a chemical plant, then at a car repair shop ....!
            6. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 08: 56
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              then at the auto repair ...

              I worked there for almost 12 years. Both my father and two uncles worked there. And from the same plant, my father was given an apartment for more than 80 squares for a family of 4 people. As for the chemical plant, there were a lot of friends working there.
            7. Serg65
              Serg65 9 March 2021 09: 06
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And from the same plant, the father was given an apartment of more than 80 squares for a family of 4 people

              Mom worked in medicine all her life, got a shish. Father at a wood processing plant, the same story! They saw Crimea only when they came to visit me in Sevastopol ... at my expense.
            8. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 09: 16
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              They saw Crimea only when they came to visit me in Sevastopol ... at my expense.

              And I have never been there. That possibility, when they gave me a permit, was the only time, and they gave it to me when I was a student, back in the USSR, in the 80s.
            9. Serg65
              Serg65 9 March 2021 09: 24
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And I have never been there.

              There were only two of my relatives in Sochi and Crimea ... an uncle, the chief engineer of the Cotton Processing Plant, Sochi as a bonus, and another uncle, a warehouse manager at a Moscow chemical plant. And I have quite a lot of relatives ...
  • Serg65
    Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 20
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Putin, as if, too, did not tear his party card,

    Does he live in Germany?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 4 March 2021 21: 54
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    They were in the party and were its ruling elite.

    Are you really that naive person that you consider them communists just for this reason?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 5 March 2021 06: 34
      -2
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      You are really so naive person that you consider them communists

      That is, there were no communists in the communist party?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 5 March 2021 08: 25
        +3
        Quote: Dart2027
        weren't there communists?
        There were, but we are talking about renegades. If a person betrayed an idea, was he a communist?
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 March 2021 10: 31
        +1
        Quote: Per se.
        There were, but we are talking about renegades.

        Where were the communists then?
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 5 March 2021 10: 42
        -1
        Certainly not in the leading posts of the CPSU.
      4. andrew42
        andrew42 5 March 2021 12: 13
        0
        Dart is just playing the fool. He understands everything.
      5. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 March 2021 12: 59
        -1
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Certainly not in the leading posts of the CPSU.

        And you want it back?
      6. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 5 March 2021 13: 46
        0
        Come on, you go to the circus with your guardian clown. I'm tired of it.
      7. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 March 2021 16: 40
        0
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Come on, you go to the circus with your guardian clown.

        Bon Voyage. Go even to the circus, even to the zoo, I am not holding you.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 5 March 2021 12: 03
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Where were the communists then?
    Everywhere, by 1990, the number of the CPSU was more than 19 million people, that is, approximately every 15 inhabitants of the USSR was a communist (for 293 million of the population). Who passed the USSR and how did it all start? The communists were and will be, but what happened, it happened that the Junkers did not, then the Snickers did ... Probably, it was necessary to go through this, got drunk with Colas, learned the "democracy" from the United States in its true guise.
    Who is "hu" (as Mikhail Sergeevich said), time has shown.
    For example, the words of our current president in terms of personality transformation.

    I proceed from the fact that you need to take history calmly. As to what was. And this cannot be deleted. There was a period in my life when I was interested in the teachings of Marxism-Leninism. I read a lot and with interest. But as I grew up, matured, the truth became more and more obvious to me that all this was nothing more than a beautiful and harmful fairy tale. Harmful - because the implementation or attempt to implement it in our country caused enormous damage.

    And in this regard, I would like to say about the tragedy that we are experiencing today (the collapse of the USSR). I think that just the leaders of October XNUMX laid a time bomb under this building, the building of the unitary state, which was called Russia. After all, what did they do? They split our fatherland into separate principalities, which previously did not appear on the map of the globe at all. Endowed these principalities with governments and parliaments. On the other hand, they have destroyed that which pulls together and unites the peoples of civilized countries - namely, market relations. They destroyed the market as such, nascent capitalism.

    The only thing they did and how they kept the country within common borders was barbed wire. As soon as this wire was removed, the country disintegrated. I think these people did not want this, but objectively they played such a role.


    Moral, maybe it was not necessary to have such a size of the CPSU, but, as Lenin said, "better less, but better"?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 5 March 2021 13: 01
    0
    Quote: Per se.
    Moral, maybe it was not necessary to have such a size of the CPSU, but, as Lenin said, "better less, but better"?

    The moral is that people remain people with all their inherent flaws, and no theory will change this, and communism is a utopia.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 5 March 2021 13: 56
    +3
    Quote: Dart2027
    and communism is a utopia.
    It is a utopia to hope that under the established transnational monopolies there will be real competition and real democracy. Utopia to believe in eternal bliss in paradise, as well as churchmen in general, who have been making money on faith for a long time.
    Communism is not a utopia, and the Soviet Union, as a superpower, proved it. We still live on the Soviet margin of safety. If the Chubais and Gaidars had come to power in 1917, nothing would have remained of Russia.
    So you think about Putin's words about "galoshes", what he had in mind.
    Everything we produced was of no use to anyone. Because no one bought our galoshes, except as an African who had to walk on the hot sand. "
    Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.

    Here the irony of Jack Tanner justifies itself, by today, - "Nothing could discredit capitalism more than the Russians' decision to try it.".
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 5 March 2021 16: 39
    0
    Quote: Per se.
    It is a utopia to hope that under the established transnational monopolies there will be real competition and real democracy.

    Real democracy died in ancient times (I'm serious).
    Quote: Per se.
    Communism is not a utopia, and the Soviet Union, as a superpower, proved it.
    Well, where is he then? Communism is primarily a spiritual rebirth of mankind. Actually, this is the problem.
    Quote: Per se.
    over Putin's words about "galoshes"
    By the 90s, the industry of the USSR was, to put it mildly, far from advanced. It is difficult to say how much sabotage this was (I personally believe that he was), but his words, alas, are largely true. The space and defense industry were still holding on at the very least, and everything else, alas.
  • clerk
    clerk 5 March 2021 20: 42
    +1
    ... Communism is not a utopia, and the Soviet Union, as a superpower, proved it.
    ... The USSR at different times was very different, including economically. What year did the USSR prove that communism is not a utopia?
  • Serg65
    Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 25
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    Where were the communists then?

    In Yalta, balls were chasing laughing
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 5 March 2021 10: 43
    0
    It could well have been. But it's about who they eventually became, not who they were.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 24
    +1
    Quote: Per se.
    If a person betrayed an idea, was he a communist?

    The namesake with the words is more accurate! Who put Lenin's idea under the knife?
  • Bio Robot_2
    Bio Robot_2 5 March 2021 09: 30
    0
    Yeltsin and GDP-communists
  • Serg65
    Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 19
    +2
    what Who are the communists then?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 March 2021 04: 42
      0
      Quote: Serg65
      Who are the communists then?

      I would tell you, but you will not understand. For you are a cynic, and I am a cynic squared. But nevertheless, I saw real communists. And respected.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 9 March 2021 07: 38
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        I've seen real communists. And respected

        A real communist is an ephemeral concept! The communists idolized Lenin, but betrayed him with ease! For the communists, Stalin was the personification of happiness on earth, but the communists also betrayed him! The communists suckingly kissed the portraits of Brezhnev and then threw these portraits into the furnace! The communists supported perestroika and new thinking with unanimous enthusiasm, and how did it end?
        Yes Volodya, I agree with you ..... among the gray mass of those voting "FOR" there were outstanding personalities, but they were just honest people and they could not live differently!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 07: 43
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          For the communists, Stalin was the personification of happiness on earth, but the communists also betrayed him!

          Don't judge others by yourself! My friend's father was a communist, and he did not remove the portrait of Stalin from the wall! Last time I was at his house in the early XNUMXs, and hung on the wall. A portrait, not a father.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 9 March 2021 08: 27
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Don't judge others by yourself!

          But where do I really want to go to the faithful Stalinists Voroshilov, Budyonny, Malinkov, Mikoyan (from Ilyich to Ilyich without a heart attack and paralysis), Kaganovich, Molotov .... I am a bug compared to them!
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          My friend's father was a communist, and he did not remove the portrait of Stalin from the wall!

          The truck drivers had the same portraits of Stalin ... and not on the wall in the apartment, but on the windshield ... can they be called real communists? What did your friend's father do in refuting Stalin's persecution ????
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 March 2021 12: 25
    +3
    Quote: WHAT IS
    A vigorous one is not vigorous, but a serious enemy, you cannot throw hats.

    So honor for almost 600 years we have been at war with the Turks, with varying success for both sides.
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    2. U-58
      U-58 4 March 2021 12: 57
      -3
      Yes, the score is 6: 6
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 4 March 2021 14: 02
        +2
        Quote: U-58
        Yes, the score is 6: 6

        no, account: Crimea, Novorossia, the Caucasus, Transcaucasia, Podolia, Bessarabia, in favor of Russia, and Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, etc. in, respectively, their benefit, and also in Russia.
        1. U-58
          U-58 4 March 2021 14: 48
          -4
          The score 6: 6 is the result of wars and conflicts over the past 300 years.
          It is led by historians, but not by politicians.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 4 March 2021 12: 35
    +7
    Only the Russian-speaking ethnographic mass will remain, material for other, more viable ethnic groups, cultures and civilizations.

    - THIS IS A QUESTION TO THE SHVYDKY AND THE TELECADEMICIAN TO BE LATE. the serious question is where are we going?
  • Winnie76
    Winnie76 4 March 2021 12: 44
    -5
    Quote: WHAT IS
    Vigorous is not vigorous, but the enemy is serious, you can't throw hats

    Are calibers, Iskander, Daggers, Bastions in conventional design suitable? For all major infrastructure facilities. Complete lockdown in a couple of days. And what can the Turks oppose? 200 pieces of F-16 against the Crimean air defense system
  • bk0010
    bk0010 4 March 2021 20: 39
    +2
    Quote: WHAT IS
    A vigorous one is not vigorous, but a serious enemy, you cannot throw hats.
    We have something besides hats. It will reduce the population as well. And the rest of NATO will have a lesson, if anything.
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 5 March 2021 10: 00
    +2
    you cannot be ready for war or prepare yourself. always something goes wrong tak.to negpy run out of the stew is not delivered
  • Sergey79
    Sergey79 5 March 2021 12: 57
    +1
    I agree. But our military, too, should not be considered idiots. This is not so ... An article from the category of "everything is lost." Many want something from us. The elites are losing their positions. In my opinion, this is the main problem.
  • alexpro66
    alexpro66 6 March 2021 09: 47
    0
    And with hats only in your wet dreams! Do you have an understanding of a strategic and regional player? Turkey has no chance under any scenario. And here is the end result of the war:
    1. The whole world is vitruhu
    2. Change of power in Russia through a coup (with unpredictable consequences for the whole world)
    3. The Bosphorus, Antalya, Balek, Mira, Dardanelles (well, my favorite is Constantinople!) And so on in terms of geography they become regions of the Russian Federation. With supplies in the form of ex-territories of Turkey-Syria, Armenia, Kurdistan!
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 4 March 2021 12: 21
    +7
    Quote: Operator
    Drain the light, put out the water: Turkey is a vigorous superpower laughing

    Well, you yourself are building a nuclear potential.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 March 2021 12: 29
      +1
      Russia is not ready for war with Turkey

      And here, almost like in chess - white Turks start but lose ...
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 4 March 2021 12: 35
      +7
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Well, you yourself are building a nuclear potential.

      This is a real hi-tech export, buddy. Israel is not yet mature enough
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 March 2021 17: 58
      +1
      You talk as if we sold them the recipe for a nuclear bomb.
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 12: 37
    +4
    Well, suppose the "Karabakh" scenario in the Donbass, how will the yadrenbatons help, we are banging in Turkey because there are Turkish "volunteers"? In addition, the article does not say that they are going to attack tomorrow - this is a long-term plan ..
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 4 March 2021 13: 24
      0
      Russia is not ready for war with Turkey
      do we need it? what we are not always ready ... but on the sopatka, we raked everything.
      1. dSK
        dSK 4 March 2021 13: 45
        +7
        Quote: Aerodrome
        but on the sopatka, they raked everyone.

        Nobody argues. What about the price"? Before 1945 there were 41 and 42 years ...
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 4 March 2021 13: 59
          +6
          Quote: dsk
          Quote: Aerodrome
          but on the sopatka, they raked everyone.

          Nobody argues. What about the price"? Before 1945 there were 41 and 42 years ...

          the price is the equivalent of freedom and independence, apparently they do not sell cheaper.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 5 March 2021 12: 29
          +3
          Quote: dsk
          What about the price"?

          Well, yes, when the francs looked at the price tag, they decided that it was better to give up!
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 6 March 2021 17: 13
        +4
        Quote: Aerodrome
        we are not always ready ... but on the sopatka, we raked everything.

        What can we say, even the command of those planning and initiating an invasion never had enough time to be fully prepared.
  • DPN
    DPN 4 March 2021 22: 50
    -5
    After the KERNEL, what will you breathe ?, and you will bend from it if you do not have time to escape to the Polar Bears.
    1. Operator
      Operator 5 March 2021 00: 35
      -1
      In the case of Turkey, the timing of a massive nuclear strike can be chosen optimally - when the wind is north. So start planning where you will run from Palestine. Polar bears will not pierce.
  • Skay
    Skay 4 March 2021 11: 06
    +9
    Erdogan declared Jerusalem a Turkish city.

    Did you agree with the Jews?
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 4 March 2021 12: 06
      +1
      And here they are raving that the center of the Muslim world, Turkey (as Erdogan wants) is Israel's dumb sidekick ... So they decided in a purely family way laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 March 2021 12: 33
        +4
        Quote: Cowbra
        And here they are raving that the center of the Muslim world, Turkey (as Erdogan wants) is Israel's dumb sidekick ...

        Islam and Judaism, brothers forever. We have all read such speakers of Odessa anecdotes.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 12: 30
      +4
      Quote: Skay
      Erdogan declared Jerusalem a Turkish city.

      Did you agree with the Jews?

      An interesting question was asked. And for some reason the Israelis are silent. Really agree.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 4 March 2021 13: 17
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And for some reason the Israelis are silent. Really agree.

        Yes, in their east everything is simple, if yours, then come and take it, the Turks have already come to them for 400 years and nothing, survived the yagudi of the invaders.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 4 March 2021 18: 01
          0
          Well, if you remember that Jewish comrades wrested Jerusalem from the Euspheans in due time ...
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 4 March 2021 18: 17
            +3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Well, if you remember that Jewish comrades wrested Jerusalem from the Euspheans in due time ...

            Are there any eusfeys in the hall?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 4 March 2021 18: 41
              -1
              And if there is?
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 5 March 2021 11: 41
                +2
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                And if there is?

                documents for Jerusalem (how is he there in Euusfei?) with you?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 5 March 2021 12: 32
                  0
                  Wondering how they should look from your point of view?
                  1. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 6 March 2021 10: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Wondering how they should look from your point of view?

                    like this:
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 7 March 2021 13: 09
                      0
                      And that fellow Jews have such documents? smile
  • Mouse
    Mouse 4 March 2021 11: 08
    +7
    Wherever you throw ... mate all around ... crying
    The question is, who will attack whom? Turkey will dare to take such a step ??? belay
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 March 2021 12: 31
      0
      Quote: Mouse
      Wherever you throw ... mate all around ...
      The question is, who will attack whom? Turkey will dare to take such a step ???

      Based on the chess ideology, I have constructed a commentary. It is slightly higher.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 12: 37
      +3
      Quote: Mouse
      The question is, who will attack whom? Turkey will dare to take such a step ???

      Turkey's first step may only be Ukraine. Everything will develop in a second circle, as it was in the 17-18 centuries.
  • prior
    prior 4 March 2021 11: 13
    +12
    The author, you are lying. Russia continues to flourish and develop. The President said on TV.
    But we will repair the roads ...
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 4 March 2021 14: 05
      +13
      Quote: prior
      The author, you are lying. Russia continues to flourish and develop. The President said on TV.
      But we will repair the roads ...

      priority: "care for citizens", fines, taxes, fines ... prices ... nothing to do with it, these are "sanctions" ... "siloviks" 70 thousand bonuses are easy ... pensioners-zilch ... waste material, why spend money on them ... we laugh over Ukraine, but they have a circus.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 4 March 2021 14: 11
      +12
      Quote: prior
      Russia continues to flourish and develop. The President said on TV.
      But we will repair the roads ...

    3. Gato
      Gato 5 March 2021 10: 02
      0
      But we will repair the roads.

      And what to do with the second trouble?
  • Woodman
    Woodman 4 March 2021 11: 17
    +3
    Ankara also squeezes Moscow, which had to yield on a downed plane,
    What exactly did you lose?
    the introduction of Turkish troops into Syria, where pro-Turkish bandit formations control part of the country. That is, Russia was unable to restore the territorial integrity of Syria.
    In addition to the Turks, states control a significant part of the territory of Syria.
    And it visually includes the current territories of the Russian Federation: the regions of the North Caucasus, Crimea, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, Rostov and Astrakhan Regions, Kalmykia.
    Visually, they can include the Moon there too. The question is about the real possibilities.
    In general, an article from the category "owl to the globe".
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 12: 39
      +1
      and what - someone answered for the plane? Just don’t about speculation with the bus of pilots, it looks like an "owl on a globe" just ..
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 March 2021 11: 17
    +8
    Russia is not ready for war with Turkey

    Is Russia preparing for a war with Turkey?
    Is Turkey preparing for war with Russia?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 12: 41
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Is Russia preparing for a war with Turkey?
      Is Turkey preparing for war with Russia?

      If there is a war between Russia and Turkey, it will be the last thing. And that is doubtful, there are many more attractive goals for Turkey that can be attached without much cost and effort.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 13: 33
        +3
        We write one, we keep two in mind ... on purpose, purposefully, we do not prepare, but crosses are placed on the cards. They have about the same thing ...
        Such a situation in the world, you have to keep a lot in your mind.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 4 March 2021 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Is Russia preparing for a war with Turkey?
      Is Turkey preparing for war with Russia?

      Quote: Armenian Radio
      There will be no war at all, but there will be such a struggle for peace that there will be no stone unturned
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 13: 35
        +2
        Everyone has plans, cards with crosses and ... everyone knows about it.
    3. cniza
      cniza 4 March 2021 14: 00
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      Russia is not ready for war with Turkey

      Is Russia preparing for a war with Turkey?
      Is Turkey preparing for war with Russia?


      There is no country that is ready for war, from the word completely ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 March 2021 14: 06
        +2
        So life, current events and so on, easily breaks all the plans drawn up.
        The winner is the one who effectively deals with the unexpected.
        1. cniza
          cniza 4 March 2021 14: 32
          +7
          There are many variations, I realized one thing for myself - the one who wants to live wins, under the word wants is the base, a small "fat" reserve and the ability to quickly make a decision ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 March 2021 15: 02
            +4
            Very often the winner is the one who does not spare his life for the sake of others !!!
            1. cniza
              cniza 4 March 2021 16: 24
              +7
              If the solution requires this, then, probably, yes, without options ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 4 March 2021 18: 56
                +2
                So it is better to do without the extreme, but when we were asked ... according to the situation.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 4 March 2021 21: 11
                  +4
                  So I mean, we are ready, but they, for them it is very unacceptable ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 5 March 2021 07: 59
                    +1
                    And we can’t be NOT READY! There are too many greedy people around and they do not feel love for us.
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 6 March 2021 17: 17
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: rocket757
        Russia is not ready for war with Turkey

        Is Russia preparing for a war with Turkey?
        Is Turkey preparing for war with Russia?


        There is no country that is ready for war, from the word completely ...

        Oh Victor hi even without seeing your post, I wrote above almost the same yes
        1. cniza
          cniza 6 March 2021 17: 21
          +3
          Greetings! hi

          Gennady, no wonder all normal people understand this. yes
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 4 March 2021 20: 26
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Russia is not ready for war with Turkey

      Is Russia preparing for a war with Turkey?
      Is Turkey preparing for war with Russia?

      There will be no war, there will be a quiet expansion, bribery of officials, the opening of new Turkish educational institutions in the Caucasus, the strengthening of Turkish business, etc.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 08: 00
        +1
        There we know it .... the most quiet, as they say. It was like this before, they will not refuse it now.
    5. Icarus
      Icarus 5 March 2021 20: 29
      +3
      Is Russia preparing for a war with Turkey?
      Is Turkey preparing for war with Russia?

      This is not the main message of the article. Turkey is a conditional, in my opinion, albeit a potential (and maybe real) enemy. This is all an introduction to the main idea of ​​the article, about the need for cardinal changes in the country. Otherwise kirdyk. In which I, for example, agree with the author. But I do not agree that a "revolution from above" is generally possible in our case. Who are the revolutionaries? The guarantor does not need to change anything. He already feels good. So what if there are fewer and fewer Russian people? Isn't it enough for his life? And with regard to the rest (dissenting) at the top, the clearing has been cleared. Are there any dissenters in the "systemic opposition"? And the "non-systemic opposition" will never break through into this very system, for that is not why the laws (on elections) have been written, written and rewritten many times. What is the way to drive the "disease" into the depths. So, most likely we are waiting from a riot "from the bottom" or from a "stratum", the preconditions for which are formed by the authorities themselves. And the neighbors? The neighbors will certainly take advantage of this (as history shows).
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 March 2021 21: 30
        +1
        Quote: Icarus
        But I do not agree that a "revolution from above" is generally possible in our case. Who are the revolutionaries?

        And where they are ... not revolutionaries, but those who can do better for the country, the people.
        We say a lot that it is impossible to live like this ... and who and how can DO better, in return?
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 4 March 2021 11: 17
    +6
    Another article on the topic "everything is lost." This passage was especially amused.
    That is, we have no experience in deploying a group of millions, supplying and replenishing it to counter the enemy.


    Now tell me a country that has this experience? And the exercises of the type "Caucasus 2020" just for the coordination and supply of almost all types of troops, this does not count? Smiley hand-face.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 March 2021 11: 30
      +2
      This in itself is bullshit. In addition to the Caucasus, there was the East and Zarad, where everything was shown very clearly. From the transfer of a mass of troops from one region to another to their supply pancake. We have an army of a million author, are you normal at all?
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 4 March 2021 15: 59
      -2
      Teaching and practice are not the same thing.
      1. Sergey Obraztsov
        Sergey Obraztsov 4 March 2021 16: 08
        +1
        And that is why almost the entire composition of the Aerospace Forces and many others were allowed through Syria. I understand that chasing militants is not a war with all types of weapons, but no one in the world has such experience from those countries that have all these types of weapons.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 4 March 2021 16: 37
          -1
          The United States has this experience, the Turks against the Kurds.
          1. Sergey Obraztsov
            Sergey Obraztsov 4 March 2021 17: 17
            +5
            Once again, for the inattentive - do the Kurds have tanks, air defense, aircraft, ships, submarines, electronic warfare systems, cruise missiles, etc., etc.? And when was the United States at war with the country where all this was? Iraq? Don't tell me, there was an overwhelming difference in quality and quantity.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 4 March 2021 11: 18
    +9
    "If Turkey is taking off ..."
    What the hell?
    Russia is not ready for a war with Turkey ... Uh-huh. Turkey is ready. Turkey has amassed so many "partners" for itself that graters with Russia will end fatally for it.
    The author of something ... Well, not right, in general)))
    1. vargo
      vargo 4 March 2021 19: 22
      +3
      I'm surprised that there are so few surprises in the comments for such a one-sided, clearly stupid article. Either their own ran away, or I really don't know.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 March 2021 11: 18
    -2
    Something the author started with one thing, and in the end he piled everything up. He tied the Turks to the Donbass, to the Crimea, plus demography ...
    Vinaigrette and more!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 March 2021 11: 25
      +2
      All in a heap, I agree ... In Syria, of course, the Russian Federation is not ready. But when building the bases, as planned, the Navy and the Aerospace Forces will have to take into account the factor of Turkey, which is a NATO country. But "shock" tasks against Turkey can be solved from the Black Sea, Crimea and the Caspian Sea. The distances are not great and everything is shot through ...... I think that the Turks themselves know about this.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 March 2021 12: 49
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        This is a NATO country.

        And Turkey will solve its tasks proceeding from this. What is beneficial for Turkey and NATO, will decide together, what is beneficial for Turkey, only Turkey will decide, based on its capabilities. But in any case, Russia for Turkey, if anything happens, will be the last.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 4 March 2021 12: 59
          +4
          And the conflict with the Russian Federation is not beneficial for Turkey, and in the event of a conflict with NATO, as with a bloc, it is not a fact that Turkey will fulfill its obligations. Turkey is not a poor country with an army (cannon fodder) to attack the Caucasus. The standard of living has increased ... NATO is not the same, the threats from the Russian Federation are far-fetched ...
          In any case, the gunpowder must be kept dry and the Turks must know that the strategic places of the country can be attacked (hit) by non-nuclear (this is important) weapons.
    2. Richard
      Richard 4 March 2021 12: 42
      +13
      Ottoman sultans were also caliphs at the same time - (the supreme leaders of all Muslims)

      Just like that for everyone belay laughing My dear mother, the author of the campaign is a great connoisseur of Islam
      For his information, even Mohammed predicted 72 branches of Islam, and now there are incomparably more of them. Here are just the main ones, which in turn are divided into branches:

      The divergence of currents in Islam began under the Umayyads and continued during the Abbasids, when scholars began to translate the works of ancient Greek and Iranian scholars into Arabic, analyze and interpret these works from an Islamic point of view. Despite the fact that Islam rallied people on the basis of a common religion, ethno-confessional contradictions in Muslim countries did not disappear. This circumstance was reflected in different currents, including in relation to the Caliphs.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 March 2021 12: 44
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Something the author started with one thing, and in the end he piled everything up. He tied the Turks to the Donbass, to the Crimea, plus demography ..

      In general, I started for my health, and finished for the repose.
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 4 March 2021 11: 24
    +7
    After the third paragraph, I suspected the author.
    Scrolled down ...
    And there is.
    Alexander Samsonov
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 4 March 2021 11: 26
    +13
    Mr. Samsonov, it is better to continue about all sorts of epics and ethnic groups, but you should not go there, which you do not understand at all
  • Vovan
    Vovan 4 March 2021 11: 28
    +8
    Erdogan is building a new Turkish empire.

    And it visually includes the current territories of the Russian Federation: the regions of the North Caucasus, Crimea, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, Rostov and Astrakhan Regions, Kalmykia.


    That is why so clearly sign your own incompetence? Or is it not comme il faut to study the issue with the authorship of the map?
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 4 March 2021 11: 29
    +17
    The author took a shovel and threw everything that was on the fan. Here you can't get off with tomatoes alone. The same article can be turned inside out and the exact opposite can be written. Turkey is howling in Syria, this is combat experience, Russia is so, we came out to see. Turkish Stream, nuclear power plant, is a double-edged sword. Gas enters the pipe on our side and the operation of the nuclear power plant will entirely depend on Russia. And the economic crisis in Turkey is no less than it has affected Russia. And their army is combat-ready and motivated, and our sergeants are lazy, and we conduct exercises with the transfer of tens of thousands of troops to thousands of kilometers, but this does not count, but for the Turks, yes ... well, further in the text. And what, the Turks have already left to fight with us? And is there a common border?
    1. Errr
      Errr 4 March 2021 11: 37
      +6
      Quote: Stepan S
      The author took a shovel and threw everything that
      sat in agony. laughing
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 4 March 2021 11: 34
    +18
    I agree with the author 50-50. Turkey is successful in fighting against weakly technical opponents. In Idlib, it also seemed to go according to the Turkish plan, but our military intervened in time and that's it, the Turks sulked. And this has not yet been our strike on airfields, warehouses, ships. Yes, in terms of the number of soldiers, Russia is inferior, but for Turkey and the arsenal of Soviet missiles, there will be enough to make them do it! The trouble lies elsewhere. In Russia, there is no political will to solve problems not only with Turkey, but also with Ukraine, and Armenia, with its Russophobic government, etc.
    "A radical change in the pro-Western course. And a bold leap forward."
    And all our enemies will do it right away!
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 4 March 2021 11: 35
    0
    These vsepapalschikov got tired of it!
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 4 March 2021 11: 36
    -2
    The author cannot decide whether we are going to fight with Turkey or with the whole of NATO?
    1. businessv
      businessv 4 March 2021 12: 16
      +1
      Quote: Dart2027
      The author cannot decide whether we are going to fight with Turkey or with the whole of NATO?
      According to the charter of NAT, these things are inseparable - when one of the members is attacked, all other members are connected.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 4 March 2021 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: businessv
        when one of the members is attacked, all other members are connected.

        Chota rzhu. But what about the fact that each member himself determines the degree of his participation?
        1. businessv
          businessv 4 March 2021 15: 36
          +1
          Quote: Winnie76
          But what about the fact that each member himself determines the degree of his participation?
          Well, do you agree that the degree of participation is very different from non-participation? wink
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 5 March 2021 00: 59
            +3
            Of course I agree. You can express concern, strong concern, send a truck of humanitarian aid, a couple of doctors. All of the above will greatly help Turkey in the fight against Russia.
            1. businessv
              businessv 5 March 2021 14: 26
              0
              Quote: Winnie76
              All of the above will greatly help Turkey in the fight against Russia.
              The above is not, but if the hegemon puts pressure on the participants, the list will be significantly replenished! wink
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 4 March 2021 12: 44
        -1
        Quote: businessv
        when one of the members is attacked, all other members are connected.

        And that the rest of the participating countries are seriously ready to fight for Turkey?
        1. businessv
          businessv 4 March 2021 15: 44
          +2
          Quote: Dart2027
          And that the rest of the participating countries are seriously ready to fight for Turkey?
          I don’t know about "for Turkey," but if they are not in danger for this, judging by their constant screams and actions, I don’t mind taking part in Russia’s razderban. Since 1991, 14 countries have joined NATO and all of them, essno, are not our friends. And if we take it objectively, then if it were not for our nuclear weapons, we would already have had a very difficult time.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 4 March 2021 15: 52
            -3
            Quote: businessv
            but in the tussle of Russia, if they are not threatened for this, judging by their constant cries and actions, they do not mind taking part

            if they are not threatened for it
            The war with NATO is definitely nuclear weapons (simply because they have much more resources), and the whining that "Putin will not dare ... Everyone will run away .... We are controlled ..." and so on, nothing but laughter causes.
            1. businessv
              businessv 5 March 2021 14: 19
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              whining that "Putin will not dare ... Everyone will run away .... We are controlled ..." and so on, nothing but laughter causes.

              Well, this can be treated differently. The facts are as follows: Crimea was returned, but since it was a resolved issue, then they took into account the risks and prepared for sanctions, in which case why not help with the creation of Novorossia, which would include all the interested regions of the square? Then it would have cost a little blood, and the result would have been very tangible and logical. It would be easier for big state education to survive, defend itself, we would protect Russian-speakers, cut off production facilities, and no matter how cynical it sounds, a buffer zone would be created. Considering these facts, then they definitely did not dare. Well, about "we are controlled", you can write a separate article. We are definitely economically dependent on the West, this is a fact and most thinking people really do not like it.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 5 March 2021 16: 34
                0
                Quote: businessv
                why not help with the creation of Novorossiya, which would include all the wishing areas of the square?

                And they were these areas. After all, initially no one thought about secession, only after the actions of the new government did people begin to resist.
                In addition, there is one thing that is often forgotten - the actions of the United States in Ukraine were extremely mediocre. They did absolutely everything possible to provoke bloodshed, and the only reasonable explanation is that they needed to drag Russia into this war. Well, they didn’t expect that in the event of attacks on the Crimeans (before the detachment), the troops in the Crimea would remain on the sidelines?
                Quote: businessv
                We are definitely economically dependent on the west, that's a fact

                The policy of the Iron Curtain will not lead to anything good, in fact, even then it was lowered from the other side. So we don't need complete independence, because it will become complete isolation, we need a reasonable balance and they are working in this direction.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 5 March 2021 20: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The policy of the Iron Curtain will not lead to anything good, in fact, even then it was lowered from the other side.

                  Yes, no one talks about it. I meant only the internal independence of our industries, which we have lost. And about the lowering of the iron curtain - the tales of the liberals. That is not why the Union collapsed.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And they were these areas. After all, initially no one thought about secession, only after the actions of the new government did people begin to resist.
                  You probably don't know, but the eastern regions of the Square were waiting for us. Rather, the people waited, but did not wait. In Donetsk and Luhansk regions, a referendum was held, from which our leadership discouraged them. The slightest support, or a signal from our side, and referendums could very bravely be carried out in all the eastern regions. These are fairly well-known facts.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 5 March 2021 21: 14
                    0
                    Quote: businessv
                    I meant only the internal independence of our industries, which we have lost.
                    So the work goes on. Another thing is that only cats reproduce quickly.
                    Quote: businessv
                    That is not why the Union collapsed.
                    And I didn’t say that’s why. But the isolation of Russia is more beneficial to them than to us.
                    Quote: businessv
                    The slightest support, or a signal from our side, and referendums could very bravely be carried out in all the eastern regions.
                    In fact, the referendum took place on the territories of the LPR and DPR after the beginning of the collapse. And the question remains about what the puppeteers wanted
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    the only reasonable explanation is that they needed to drag Russia into this war
                    This question has already been discussed more than once and it is difficult to answer unequivocally.
              2. clerk
                clerk 5 March 2021 17: 18
                +1
                Crimea was returned, but since it was a resolved issue, then we took into account the risks and prepared for sanctions, in which case why not help with the creation of Novorossiya, which would include all those who wish to have an independent region? Then it would have cost a little blood, and the result would have been very tangible and logical. It would be easier for big state education to survive, defend itself, we would protect Russian-speakers, cut off production facilities, and no matter how cynical it sounds, a buffer zone would be created. AND
                ... Precisely because they calculated the military, economic and political risks, they decided to curtail the Novorossiya project. ("I always said that it is better to be silent for half an hour than to persuade for three hours! (C))
                1. businessv
                  businessv 5 March 2021 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: clerk
                  Precisely because they calculated the military, economic and political risks, they decided to curtail the Novorossiya project.
                  So what? Did it help? Didn't they apply the sanctions?
                  1. clerk
                    clerk 5 March 2021 20: 48
                    +1
                    ... So what? Did it help? Didn't they apply the sanctions?
                    There are no serious ones. Now imagine that the Crimean sanctions would spread throughout the entire territory of Novorossia (how many regions were planned there?) And would be supplemented by partisanship, sabotage and sabotage.
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 5 March 2021 21: 05
                      0
                      Quote: clerk
                      Now imagine that the Crimean sanctions would spread throughout the entire territory of Novorossia (how many regions were planned there?) And would be supplemented by partisanship, sabotage and sabotage.

                      We have already discussed this option so many times that we definitely don’t want to. The population of 6 eastern regions (and there were 24 regions in total) at that time was exactly half of the population of the square. With such a scale of the catastrophe, the curators would simply give up on this project as if it were hopeless, fearing a loss of credibility. But today it certainly does not make sense to discuss it.
                      1. clerk
                        clerk 5 March 2021 21: 45
                        +1
                        ... We have already discussed this option so many times that we definitely don’t want to. The population of 6 eastern regions (and there were 24 regions in total) at that time was exactly half of the population of the square. With such a scale of the catastrophe, the curators would simply give up on this project as if it were hopeless, fearing a loss of credibility. But today it definitely does not make sense to discuss it.
                        You think too badly about the curators of the Square. Ukraine, as such, does not interest them. But to create a lot of problems for Russia in 6 regions of Novorossiya supervised by it - for a sweet soul. To discuss or not is of course your right, but PMSM should do this simply in order to understand the danger and possible consequences of ill-considered impulsive actions. Which are often offered here in different areas.
        2. Terenin
          Terenin 6 March 2021 17: 46
          +4
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: businessv
          when one of the members is attacked, all other members are connected.

          And that the rest of the participating countries are seriously ready to fight for Turkey?

          Obviously ready for hybrid warfare, and preferably with cyber operations.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 March 2021 19: 04
            0
            Quote: Terenin
            and preferably cyber operations

            They are doing it now. But the article is not about that a bit.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 4 March 2021 15: 33
        +2
        Quote: businessv
        According to the charter of NAT, these things are inseparable - when one of the members is attacked, all other members are connected.

        And for whom did NATO members join in the 1974 Greek-Turkish conflict? wink
        1. businessv
          businessv 4 March 2021 15: 46
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And for whom did NATO members join in the 1974 Greek-Turkish conflict?
          You yourself know the answer! Why ask a question? Both countries are NATO members. Who can NATO be for? request
      4. SVD68
        SVD68 5 March 2021 08: 04
        0
        Quote: businessv
        According to the charter of NATa, these things are inseparable - when attacking

        So an article about how hard it will be for US TO ATTACK Turkey?
        1. businessv
          businessv 5 March 2021 14: 29
          0
          Quote: SVD68
          So an article about how hard it will be for US TO ATTACK Turkey?
          You read the article, I hope? smile So you know what it is about. If you do not understand my post, then in it I answered Dart's question
          And that the rest of the participating countries are seriously ready to fight for Turkey?
          hi
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 4 March 2021 11: 37
    +4
    Only the author forgot that the increase in their mass is provided by the Kurds, and not by the Turks themselves. And Kurds and Turks are not friends. Therefore, the Turks are growing a people who in the future may become the majority in the country.
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 4 March 2021 11: 44
    +5
    It is a pity that it is a pity that Mr. Samsonov is not an adviser to the neosultan Recep of the light of the clear sun laughing Erdogan.
  • trophy
    trophy 4 March 2021 11: 46
    +11
    For our ruling elite and their protégés in power, "to restore order in the country with the simultaneous mobilization of the economy and society" is like committing group suicide with your wives, mistresses, brood and other relatives. It's easier for them to drain us all, which is what they do.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 4 March 2021 11: 55
    +3
    There is experience of hostilities in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Karabakh.

    This is about the Turkish army. The Russian army has the same experience.
    The problem is not in the best experience of the Turkish army, but in the fact that the war is not suitable for both sides.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 4 March 2021 11: 56
    -1
    I wouldn't be surprised if the author has a white flag behind his desk chair ...
  • Dimide
    Dimide 4 March 2021 11: 56
    -5
    Is the image of the next enemy being created?
    But I agree with some of the author's conclusions.
  • U-58
    U-58 4 March 2021 11: 56
    +9
    No matter how pessimistic the author's analysis is, it is impossible to disagree with him.
    Even with jingoistic patriotism.
    The country has been plunged into an economic abyss. And from the economy grows all-military and international power (or lack thereof), the presence of allies and satellites.
    The ruling regime, carried away by the enrichment - in words - of the country, and in fact - of itself, lives by the principle: after us, even a flood. Fortunately, there is where to steer if something happens. There they are expected with their money, there they will be welcome in any political weather.
    Therefore, a stubborn struggle for the greatness of the country should not be expected from the power structures and their support - oligarchic capital - from the word at all.
    And all these performances on the theme of the struggle against the "protégé of the West Navalny" are just such performances. Another bone to the plebs (that is, to us).
    Therefore, the situation in 1917 is actively maturing.
    Or is it historically predetermined?
    After all, capitalism cannot be eternal! Will go into the annals of history, as slavery and feudalism disappeared ..
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 March 2021 12: 02
      -13%
      Do you go overboard? What else is the economic abyss? Nineties forgot, that's where the abyss is. Crisis yes. Difficulties yes. Abyss? What the hell is the place?
      1. U-58
        U-58 4 March 2021 12: 08
        +11
        Where?
        Yes, at least on the site of the FORMER Tushino plant and KB "Molniya". At the site of the Saratov aircraft plant, the Stalingrad tractor plant, at the site of the Feodosia plant "Gidropibor", at the site of the Perm bicycle plant. Even this is too much. But these are isolated examples out of thousands.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 March 2021 12: 11
          -7
          Many things? What are you talking about? That non-competitive factories go bankrupt? Should the state pour tons of money into them? Understand that competitive products and those who make them do not disappear. So much is being built around and you are all about some kind of bicycle factories ...
          Amur Gas Chemical Complex - 700 billion rubles Zapsibneftkhim - 650 billion rubles
          Arctic LNG-2 - 600 billion rubles
          Baimsky GOK - 500 billion rubles
          Yamal LNG (4th stage) - 300 billion rubles.
          Olefin complex EP-600 of PJSC "Nizhnekamskneftekhim" - 234 billion rubles.
          Udokan MMC - 200 billion rubles.
          Gremyachinsky GOK - 180 billion rubles. Usolskiy potash plant - 180 billion rubles. Ust-Kutsk GPP - 170 billion rubles.
          Boguchansky aluminum plant - 160 billion rubles; Novatek shipyard in Belokamenka (TsSKMS, formerly known as Kola shipyard) - 120 billion rubles; Taishet aluminum metallurgical plant - 120 billion rubles
          Zvezda shipbuilding complex (Primorsky Territory, Bolshoy Kamen Bay) - 117 billion rubles. Baltic LNG Baltic Gas Chemical Complex Baltic Gas Processing Plant (total investments of the last three projects are 1.1 trillion rubles). And these are huge enterprises. 40000 investment projects in total. Of course, they will not reach the end, but this is being built right now, before your very eyes.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 12: 44
            +5
            and almost everything - processing / extraction of resources .. will we throw potassium at the enemies? you yourself confirm that the growth is only in the extraction of resources merged to the west ...
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 4 March 2021 12: 46
              -4
              Are you dying?) Even LNG is a huge set of expensive technologies) Is your processing bad? Better to sell a pure resource, right?) Are chemical plants bad? We don't need materials? Are the shipyards badly new?
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 12: 52
                +5
                no, not better .. but it is still a natural resource .. and not technology and scientific ideas that were in closed industries, which are listed above ..
                and resources in exchange for technology, who supplies whom? colonies-metropolis .. and try to prove the opposite .. even with these LNG, etc. - our technology is at least .. from locks in doors to industrial equipment - the vast majority from over the hill .. total: resources there, back technology .. I don’t know what to brag about ..
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 4 March 2021 12: 55
                  -5
                  These are both technical and scientific ideas. Chemical production does not happen without it)
          2. U-58
            U-58 4 March 2021 12: 49
            +5
            Do you know what the same bicycle factory produced?
            Yes, and bicycles too. And they were in demand
          3. U-58
            U-58 4 March 2021 12: 54
            +4
            LNG, MMC - is it the production of high-tech equipment or the sale of natural resources?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 4 March 2021 12: 56
              -5
              This is a high-tech processing. Which pulls production and machinery and equipment, etc.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 13: 47
                +5
                where does that pull? Where are the resources pulled by the new Russian technology everywhere? you can't really find our household tools .. even, damn it, iron hammers are everywhere Chinese .. let's talk about the realities, and not about what will probably appear later .. maybe ... and so for decades .. nothing appears .. and for some reason, I wrote above ..
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 4 March 2021 13: 50
                  -4
                  You do not confuse the level) there will not work with hammers) it will not appear but is being built now) it is just that equipment is needed for this production. It needs to be made. We need people, they need to be trained. So it pulls
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 14: 11
                    +4
                    Okay) let's have a specific question, a specific answer .. how many decades should we wait for an LNG plant based on Russian equipment, attracted by today's sales of resources? just don't talk about later and sometime, please) resources began to sell not today and not 10 years ago ..
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 4 March 2021 16: 28
                      -2
                      YAMAL LNG. Arctic cascade. Google
                      1. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 17: 06
                        +3
                        well googled .. "In April 2013, Yamal LNG signed an agreement with Yamgaz SNC, a consortium of Technip (France) and JGC Corp. (Japan) for the design, supply of equipment, materials and components, construction and commissioning (EPC contract) of the complex for the preparation and liquefaction of natural gas on the basis of the Yuzhno-Tambeyskoye field.
                        In September 2013, OJSC Yamal LNG signed a contract with Siemens for the supply of elements for a CHP plant, which is supposed to supply Yamal LNG with electricity and heat. Siemens had to manufacture, deliver, install and run eight gas turbines and other equipment.
                        In October 2013, Yamgaz SNC, selected the American General Electric as the supplier of the main turbocharger equipment for three lines of the LNG plant. The amount of the contract is $ 600 million. "
                        there you can continue the list of foreign firms, I don’t want to put on a footcloth .. Well, what did you want to tell me with that?
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 4 March 2021 18: 57
                        -4
                        Read fresh ah? 8 years is a long time.
                      3. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 19: 13
                        +1
                        in 8 years have all the equipment at Yamal LNG been changed to ours, new? Do not give a link to such "bad" equipment that is changed at the plant every few years? catch fresh - 3 year old link
                        "On April 27, 2016 from the Chinese port of Qingdao to the port of Sabetta on a special semi-submersible vessel, the first two condensation modules weighing 1000 tons were sent, manufactured by Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry - the largest and heaviest in the project. In total, 36 modules with a total weight of 180 thousand tons were built in Qingdao. The total weight of equipment for the plant is estimated at 650 thousand tons, of which 150 thousand tons are elements of flyovers (360 modules), and 500 thousand tons are technological modules (111 pcs) [10].
                        13 September 2017 years the last modules for the plant have arrived [11]. "
                        Dmitry .. there is nothing to argue about .. facts are facts ..
                      4. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 4 March 2021 19: 16
                        -4
                        Oh lord ... first three lines yes. 4 no. Do you just spend 5 minutes on a normal study too lazy? NOVATEK is preparing a decision to build a third plant in the Arctic to liquefy gas using its own technology, the Arctic Cascade, with a capacity of 5 million tons, Interfax told Interfax the words of Evgeny Kot, Deputy Chairman of the Management Board and Director for LNG Projects. Prior to that, the head of the company, Leonid Mikhelson, said that an investment decision on the construction of two or three liquefaction lines for 1,5-1,6 million per year (depending on the capacity of the turbines) using this technology will be made in 2020-2021. For the first time, the Arctic Cascade will be used in the construction of the fourth line for 1 million tons of the already operating Yamal LNG plant of NOVATEK. The first three lines with a total volume of 16,5 million tons were built under a foreign license. “Taking into account the new line and optimization of production in the first three, the capacity of the Yamal LNG project will grow from 16,5 million tons to 18,5 million tons per year,” said Mr. Kot. The new plant will also be located in Sabetta, which will make use of the existing infrastructure. I show you how one pulls the other. One line was launched, and now a whole plant is based on its technology. For which the equipment is being built in the Russian Federation.
                      5. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 19: 25
                        +2
                        Oh Lord .. You! gave an example fully Russian LNG plant - you brought it - Yamal LNG ...
                        I am giving you an example of the fact that almost the entire plant there is made of foreign components .. What did you bring from the challenge? "google" "the first three lines yes. 4 no. You just 5 minutes to spend a normal study too lazy?""What is this about? What type of 25% supposedly from ours? Didn't even find such data ..
                        but most importantly .. you told me that this plant is fully equipped with Russian equipment! - google .. or even I will say that 35% of the F-85 is made of Russian components - and you google-refute laughing
                        and you and I understand the truth .. Dmitry .. well, you won't find Russian LNG with Russian equipment on planet Earth ..
                        And this means that we cannot even get our own natural resources normally.
                      6. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 4 March 2021 20: 55
                        -5
                        I asked you to study the Arctic cascade using his example. And the conversation was about how one moves the other. As for this technology, it is all on our equipment. Therefore, I asked her to study so that this wonderful conversation would not take place. And to read the first link is not a study, sorry.
                        According to Leonid Mikhelson, within the framework of the construction of Yamal LNG, orders for 55 billion rubles were placed at Russian enterprises in 650 regions. As for the new suppliers, Novatek is waiting for them on the fourth line of Yamal LNG, where it is planned to use completely Russian equipment within the framework of the Arctic cascade technology. The capacity of the 4th line will be about 1 million tons. And the new plant, accordingly, is also on our equipment. Trace the chain. One technology, one line, a new plant. Increased demand for new equipment - new capacities. New workplaces. Is that more understandable? so one pulls the other. The new shipyard is being built by them. Novatek shipyard can google and the same chains are very simple to see
                      7. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 4 March 2021 21: 17
                        +1
                        everything is simple - I quote myself Above: "let's have a specific question, a specific answer .. how many decades to wait for an LNG plant on Russian equipment attracted by today's sales of resources? just don't talk about later and sometime, please) resources not today and not 10 years started selling back .. "
                        As a result, we moved out again on something that is not there, but it will definitely be - that's it .. that's all ..
                      8. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 4 March 2021 22: 35
                        -5
                        Again ... it's already under construction. Arctic LNG 2. On Yamal, the fourth stage was a feather test. I just thought you would find technology and its development yourself. And the shipyard that is being built near Murmansk will make platforms for it. 15000 jobs on it alone.
                      9. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 5 March 2021 08: 41
                        +1
                        well, ok .. I was not too lazy .. from what I immediately googled:
                        1. https://oilcapital.ru/news/companies/04-02-2019/oborudovanie-dlya-arktik-spg-2-postavit-siemens
                        Arctic LNG-2, a structure of NOVATEK, signed an agreement with the German concern Siemens for the supply of compressor equipment for three lines of the LNG plant.
                        2.https: //www.interfax.ru/business/670149
                        "At the same time, for a number of commodity items required for the implementation of LNG projects, there is no Russian-made equipment. Therefore, upon approval of the Comprehensive Plan, the Government of the Russian Federation provides for the exemption of LNG projects from paying customs duties on equipment, the analogues of which are not yet produced in the country," - emphasized in the company.
                        3.GE Grid Solutions [NYSE: GE] - a division for the design and manufacture of equipment for power grids as part of the GE Renewable Energy business - entered into an agreement for the supply of compact gas-insulated switchgear F35 (GIS) 110 kV for Arctic LNG 2
                        4. The consolidated value of TechnipFMC contracts from the UK for the design, supply of equipment, materials and components, construction and commissioning of the liquefied natural gas (LNG) plant "Arctic LNG - 2" will amount to about $ 7,6 billion, TechnipFMC reports.

                        do you think it makes sense to look further?
                      10. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 5 March 2021 14: 32
                        -2
                        Sanctions mon cher) sanctions. Now this is Podolsk
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 4 March 2021 16: 18
    +3
    I have a simple question. If there is so much construction and production, where is the money? Why has the country's GDP not exceeded 20-1% for 1,5 years now? I'll tell you a secret, the government is planning such growth in GDP until 2035. I will answer you right away. Everything that you have listed is not Russian property. All money from the sale of products goes to the accounts of foreign companies. Therefore, there is no money in the budget either.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 March 2021 19: 00
      -5
      Are you waiting for jerks? So do I. Toliao you are here in a particular case are not sovspm right. A lot is under construction. You just need a lot more to change the dynamics of a sharp one.
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 5 March 2021 03: 07
        +3
        It seems like several people are already telling you that industrial and high-tech enterprises are being massively closed and bankrupt where there were -
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        technology and scientific ideasthat were in the closed production facilities listed above ..
        , and you about
        Quote: carstorm 11
        A lot is under construction.
        but don't want to admit to yourself that little of, what's on someone else's equipment (!), for currency and not small (!), -
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        but it's still a natural resource..

        There is no breakthrough and development and there will not be, yet, -
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        resources in exchange for technology, who delivers to whom? colonies-metropolis .. and try to prove otherwise.
        (!!).
        Ну the pace of development in aircraft construction or in the navy ? !! Well, what is not the brightest illustration of this ? !!.
        Well, the Chinese do not primarily trade in mineral resources, but technological products/ goods (computers, smartphones, .... etc.) ? !! and are already transferring 24 ships a year to the fleet !!!, and 30 years ago they were before the industry of the USSR ... ?!.
        The world is cognized by comparison... And with an example like China, my dear interlocutor (!)we don't evolve from the word "quite" (!), but only degrade ... no matter how regrettable it is to admit !!!.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 5 March 2021 07: 14
          -2
          We do not have and will not have their resource. Never. You are now comparing us to a country where there are more poor than our entire population. As for a stranger, I am tired of showing that the Arctic cascade is not only that we build our technology and our equipment ourselves. The world has changed
          1. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 5 March 2021 09: 26
            +2
            Quote: carstorm 11
            We do not have and will not have their resource
            of what ? !! belay
            Quote: carstorm 11
            You are now comparing us to a country where there are more poor people than our entire population.
            aaa (!)so you think they are developing rapidly due to the excess of the poor ? !!. belay bli-i-n (!). what
            but I thought it was due to the millions of money spent on education (among the massesstarting from schools and cultivating our own engineering !!) this is the first (!), development of its own engineering and technical and scientific potential (from year to year increasing) this is the second (!), development ITS OWN technological potential (also incrementally, from simple to complex), first, through copying, then the development and localization of the same engine building, under license (both marine and aviation), which is then finalized by its own engineers. this is the third (!) .... etc. yes etc. yes
            and we have ? !! created the USC for example (since 2007 !!!)? !! how many species (types they have developed naval power plants / have created and in what quantities have we set up their systematic release? !!! winked Do such rates satisfy - the development of shipbuilding programs ? !! No. is such a corporation needed? !! recourse - http://cast.ru/news/sudostroenie-v-teni-bespoleznoy-nadstroyki.html
            Maybe the Chinese comrades, for such conduct of affairs in a state corporation, would have already considered the possibility and a term to give (correctional instead of probationary, for example, to Rahman ... for sabotage) ? !!!! request
            For thirteen YEARS you can already ask about what exactly they are doing there, and for what exactly they are constantly asking for funding, except for more and more new projects? !!! wink
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 5 March 2021 14: 27
              -2
              No, I wasn't talking about that. The resource is people. One and a half billion.
              1. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 5 March 2021 21: 43
                0
                Quote: carstorm 11
                No, I wasn't talking about that. The resource is people. One and a half billion.
                Dear Dmitry (!)... In China and during the Soviet era, the population was MINIMUM four more (!), yes but compare the technological potential, and the level of these two countries, for example, in the eighties ? !!. winked
                Maybe something is wrong ? !! request And this is connected in the first place all the same not with the number of people (!), but with the organization and methods of government ? !!
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Do you visit China?
                no.
                Quote: carstorm 11
                What is a working day that is 8 am to 8 pm?
                I myself had to work in life for 12 and 16 hours ... and that ? !! recourse
                For example, I know that there are small children there, right from the elementary grades of school (if not from kindergarten) begin to teach to learn foreign (including English) languages, selecting "lecture tutors for children" (!!)...
                Maybe from here (with such examples !), success and DEVELOPMENT systems exactly PEOPLE'S EDUCATION ? !!
                It's not to cook children for the exam (!).... There, according to the eldest son, a completely DIFFERENT attitude towards teachers and tutors !!! wink yes
                So compare, what "resource" (in your words), after 15-20 years, it will again replenish (и primarily not in quantitative, qualitative sense words) our two (compared countries)? !!!
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 7 March 2021 01: 46
                0
                12,12,6. Such a schedule will not work for us. Do you know what amused me the most? Time is half past five in the evening. At the checkpoint, 50 people are already hanging out.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 5 March 2021 15: 52
            -1
            Do you visit China? Do you know what's around? That people work all the time at night? What is a working day from 8 am to 8 pm?
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 4 March 2021 15: 35
    -2
    Quote: U-58
    on the site of the Feodosia plant "Hydropibor"

    Has Russia ruined the Feodosia plant too? The tentacles of the Kremlin will stretch far ... smile
    1. U-58
      U-58 4 March 2021 17: 28
      0
      What has changed there in 5 years?
      And what was there under the Soviets? As far as I know, very necessary processes. And what about it now?
      I am ready to complain about Yuzhmash too.
      Although this is not Russia at all.
      The plant was outstanding.
      Overtaking similar enterprises in its equipment for 10, or even 15 years.
      What is he now? Yes, so, an old tinned pan. Although the thread will still serve.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 March 2021 10: 24
        0
        Quote: U-58
        What has changed there in 5 years?
        And what was there under the Soviets? As far as I know, very necessary processes. And what about it now?

        And what - since 1991 these important processes have not been replaced in any way? wink
        The ambush is that in Crimea in 2014 we received a plant that was not at all the same as it was under the Soviets. We received "greetings from the early 2000s": empty workshops, killed and looted equipment, retired old personnel. In fact, the plant needs to be built and equipped anew.
  • clerk
    clerk 5 March 2021 17: 21
    +1
    ... Do you go overboard? What else is the economic abyss? Nineties forgot, this is where the abyss is. Crisis yes. Difficulties yes. Abyss? What the hell is the place?
    In the head naturally. Together brains jaded record
  • mark1
    mark1 4 March 2021 11: 59
    +1
    Turkey is a member of the NATO bloc. Those. Russia is not ready for war with NATO - strange conclusions. And Japan, and China (even if everything is exactly with him, what if he wants to eat?)? What are we preparing for then (and even so for the price), for parades? Well, just "Chukovsky's poem about Cockroach." Unreadiness can only be moral.
    The order, whether that was received on a certain topic, is already the third or fourth article in 2 days of a similar tone
  • demo
    demo 4 March 2021 12: 02
    +9
    In these conditions, when there is very little time left (how long will the current pause last - a year, two, three?), The Kremlin needs to make

    "Revolution from above".

    Putting things in order in the country with the simultaneous mobilization of the economy and society (What to do when "the refrigerator wins the TV").

    Strategic planning. The image of the future of the Russian state and people. A radical change in the pro-Western course. And a bold leap forward.

    The Kremlin is not interested in ANY revolutions.
    The Kremlin is solving a problem - how to continue to sit on the throne.
    At the same time, how to make sure that the people continue to believe in the "good king."
    Who, by the way, had a hand in keeping Erdogan alive and in power.
    So the gratitude that the Turk expressed to the Kremlin "galley slave" can be expressed in a few words - he spat in his face.
    Even to say that we, a great country, have come to such a fiasco in foreign policy, there is no strength.
    I am experiencing acute physical pain from the realization that the lowest-grade rabble has gathered in the power of the country, whose place is at the level of the city sewer.
  • raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 4 March 2021 12: 08
    -3
    War and post-modern war are different topics.
    After the sale of C 400, Russia and Turkey will not fight for 100 years.
    Russia and Turkey are already in a "post-modern war" in Syria, Libya and Karabagh. They are behind different barricades in many regional or global issues. Despite this, they are already as close as they were before World War II.
  • alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 4 March 2021 12: 10
    +3
    For the use of nuclear weapons, political will is needed, but it is not there !!! As soon as the prezik of Switzerland came to VVP with a collective message from the West, the Novorossiya project was closed. But what about the downed MI 24 in Armenia ?? received compensation? again got off with tomatoes ??
  • GBG_Belarus
    GBG_Belarus 4 March 2021 12: 10
    0
    Russia and Turkey - if Turkey does not have NATO support for a maximum of a month and Turkey surrenders. The maximum that Turkey can do is sabotage detail and propaganda among the Turkic-speaking peoples of Russia.
  • businessv
    businessv 4 March 2021 12: 12
    0
    The motivation of the contractors is questionable. For a salary, it is good to serve in peacetime, not in war. The draft lowered the level of combat training of the rank and file for a year.
    The author, apparently, forgot about such a thing as patriotism? Yes, we do not have a national idea, we do not have a decent and patriotic government, we do not even have socially responsible millionaires, but this is also understandable - after all, they are for the most part commonplace thieves who received wealth from the state, which indulges them in this with weak control and only their demands. devotion. And as you know, for thieves, everyone who does not belong to them is simply "suckers", and they are usually "bred" and do not help them survive. The DBs unleashed from the outside will unite the nation, as it has always been, and we, as in most cases, will win.
    Putting things in order in the country with the simultaneous mobilization of the economy and society .... Strategic planning. The image of the future of the Russian state and people. A radical change in the pro-Western course. And a bold leap forward.
    The sooner we do this, the more surely we can simply prevent an attack on our country. I was always amazed by the imaginary dependence of Russia on the West, brought into our life by our own leadership, in the presence of immense and completely not even explored resources, competently using which you can be far ahead of the rest of the planet! There will be a prosperous country, there will be a mass of supporters and those who want to join it, which means that we need to make it that way. The sooner the better! wink
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 4 March 2021 12: 16
    -6
    why on the one hand Turkey + NATO and on the other only Russia?
    if we compare only Turkey and Russia
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 4 March 2021 12: 21
    +2
    What kind of Turkey ?! Yes, we could not defeat the Georgian and Ukrainian armies, we pretended not to want to.

    There is nothing to say about Turkey !!!

    Society in Russia now does not prioritize anything but grandmothers, Hollywood has brainwashed everyone !!!

    Love is what is being built in House 2, scandals, a hassle, and all for the sake of grandmothers. Buzova is now a standard for young people, rich, independent and sleeps with whoever he wants.

    If women in Russia give birth, then one for themselves, a maximum of two, and marriage for most women is a way to get better in life in material terms, so the men have already got the phrase "I don't understand her." It is more profitable for a woman in Russia to get a divorce than to live in marriage, the offspring of children are with her, the husband pays alimony, the apartment will leave and no one else will order her.

    In Russia, there are 900 divorces for 000 marriages and 600% of them are women’s initiative. These are statistics for 000.

    A call such as it is now is just a shame !!! A year, two or three services will not change anything for the better.

    Since not everyone serves, but those who could not pay off or somehow cut it off. Only one in five serves, and those who serve most of their time do not spend on study and training, but on household work, and all this with elements of hazing, which we have not eliminated in any way, on the contrary, it only became worse, it was supplemented by criminal traditions, with we put our heads in the toilet, which recently led to a mass execution in one of the units. Many even after 2 years of service cannot hit a target at 100 meters.

    Everything must be changed !!!

    For society to show public service announcements, where rich and successful women will tell you how "fun" it is for them to live alone without family and children, when they are no longer so young and in demand. I know quite a few of them, the she-wolf howls, because now they are not needed by anyone, and the grandmothers have not added happiness.

    And the call to make 100% universal for men, to release only the disabled of the 1st group, but not to drive everyone into combat units, but to make training centers in each region, where military training will be taught as in an evening school, with practical exercises and exercises and with passing qualifying exams.

    Saboteurs and deviators are sent to the disciplinary battalion, and if they do not understand it again, they are put on trial and a wolf ticket with a ban on working in government bodies and budgetary organizations + a fine in the amount of money spent on its preparation.

    At the same time, it is necessary to introduce criminal liability for officers for humiliation and tireless use of soldiers. As an example, a soldier should not wash the officers' office; let them hire a cleaner or wash them themselves.

    A soldier is not a servant for an officer, but a defender of the interests of his people !!!

    With such a system, we will get that every man in Russia will have a military specialty and we will do this without interrupting most of them from their studies and work.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 4 March 2021 12: 52
      -1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Yes, we could not break the Georgian and Ukrainian army, pretended not to want
      Do they know that?
      1. businessv
        businessv 4 March 2021 16: 01
        -1
        Quote: Dart2027
        Do they know that?

        I didn't understand what the cons?! The minusers don't believe their eyes? lol
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 March 2021 17: 08
          -4
          Quote: businessv
          The minusers don't believe their eyes?

          Simply minus those to whom any success of Russia is like a knife to the heart. Moreover, given the recent discussions on this site, I can assume that these are those who are for the USSR.
    2. businessv
      businessv 4 March 2021 15: 56
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Yes, we could not defeat the Georgian and Ukrainian armies, we pretended not to want to.
      Post plyusanul, good post, but about Georgia, you are wrong, colleague! The Georgian army was defeated, because they reached Tbilisi! It is a pity that Stsakoshvili and his comrades were not hauled onto the crane for our peacekeepers, then the present Ukraine would not have happened! Well, and relatively independent, in 2014 it was possible to put things in order, but too much money was invested in it by our oligarch, who slowed down the process. But in vain!
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 5 March 2021 13: 03
        +2
        Crushed - this is when the enemy has hung out a white flag, our troops are in his capital, and the enemy's equipment is all destroyed or captured as trophies.

        And in Georgia, we just got to Tbilisi and were afraid to enter it, and then suddenly sanctions, more losses, and so almost a dozen planes were lost in 5 days.

        As a result, the Georgian army is now an order of magnitude stronger and it yearns for revenge and prepares for it.

        And sanctions were imposed on us anyway.

        It was not defeated, it was so fought back, at the cost of heavy losses.

        But the very fact that even Georgia dared to shoot our peacekeeping battalion point-blank from tanks is very significant.

        At this rate, Estonia will soon go to war with us.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 6 March 2021 19: 05
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Crushed - this is when the enemy has hung out a white flag, our troops are in his capital, and the enemy's equipment is all destroyed or captured as trophies.

          AND? Well, you would have entered Tbilisi and what changes from that?
    3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 4 March 2021 20: 49
      0
      Excuse me, but where could we not defeat the Ukrainian army?
      1. businessv
        businessv 5 March 2021 14: 24
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Excuse me, but where could we not defeat the Ukrainian army?
        Judging by the fact that she is still at war and causes LDPR a lot of anxiety and grief, we have not defeated her anywhere. There were cauldrons, which we set up demonstratively, but in general things are still there, except that today it is an army with great combat experience and a mass of foreign weapons.
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 6 March 2021 11: 08
          0
          Then, according to your logic, we did not defeat the Turkish army either, because it is still fighting and causing a lot of anxiety to the Kurds. request
          1. businessv
            businessv 6 March 2021 18: 17
            0
            Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Then, according to your logic, we did not defeat the Turkish army either, because it is still fighting and causing a lot of anxiety to the Kurds.
            And we fought with Turkey in Syria ?! Or do you mean the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878? Why bother scribbling obvious nonsense? My logic is in complete order! If you have nothing to say in essence, it is better to just keep silent! hi
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 8 March 2021 04: 20
              -1
              And we fought with Ukraine? Kurds are the same separatists as the LDNR, and we helped both of them (although the latter are much more).

              Why bother scribbling obvious nonsense?


              You ask yourself this question, because it is you who claim that we are at war with Ukraine. hi
              1. businessv
                businessv 9 March 2021 23: 09
                0
                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                You ask yourself this question, because it is you who claim that we are at war with Ukraine.
                Where did you find this statement ?! laughing And what does the Kurds and the Turkish army have to do with it? I'm not afraid to seem not original, so I repeat: If you have nothing to say in essence, it is better to just keep silent! hi
  • RMT
    RMT 4 March 2021 12: 22
    +1
    "The threat of riots of aliens and gentiles."

    What is it? What is it about?
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 4 March 2021 12: 26
    +2
    Lord, it's war again laughing and already with Turkey .. The authors of articles on cataclysms on the topic "If tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is on a campaign .." You don’t understand, Russia was not really pressured by sanctions. If they press down, nuclear weapons will not help. There will be no revolution from the top. They will not take their own capital from their own people. Do not mislead people.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 4 March 2021 12: 27
    +3
    And when was Russia ready for war? That under the tsar priest that under the Soviet regime.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 March 2021 12: 35
    -9
    And why prepare for it, Ankara is over the head and that Turkey is over and Constantinople was formed. Generations have changed, and the genes remember Suvorov, Ushakov, and Nakhimov. Stop whining already.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 4 March 2021 12: 37
    +1
    The main problem of Russia is the presence in the government of a force that in every possible way incites the people against the government, starting with the pension reform and ending with the new procedure for technical inspection, but this is probably not the limit, someone really wants to take the people out into the street and make a mess. Why GDP does not stop this, I am personally surprised. So we don't need any war, we, like in WWI, are on the verge of victory, but part of our elite wants us to be defeated.
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 12: 38
    +3
    House of Saud is probably burning with desire to become subservient to Erdogan yes As well as the emirs of the Emirates. Seriously, the sultan quarreled with everyone around him, and he will not be able to fight against everyone (more precisely, he will not be able to win). NATO will not support him in empire building. So zip ...
  • A.K.
    A.K. 4 March 2021 12: 49
    0
    The article smacks of zakazukha. Delirium is delusional. I licked well at Erdogan's.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 March 2021 12: 52
    +4
    At the 1952 Olympic Games, the USSR national team took second place, while former front-line soldiers, blockade soldiers, prisoners of the end took part there. camps. And they fought for the flag of the country and for the country. Now we are proud of our NHL hockey players. Everything became blurry. Although someone is shouting, "We can repeat." How is it to repeat? 1941? Huge losses during the Second World War. I'm afraid that he screams like that, he will be the first to hide behind the armor.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 4 March 2021 12: 58
    +3
    And to the war with Ukraine, and to the war with NATO in the Baltics and Kaliningrad, we will merge in three days, Japan will take the Kuril Islands at the expense of one time, where do not throw complete crap everywhere. What are we all to do? As in Shnurov's video - I asked for money and lipstick ........ Spring aggravation from the author.
  • Volder
    Volder 4 March 2021 13: 07
    +2
    The author's preconceived views do not stand up to scrutiny. The author interprets the facts and describes his views on the situation exclusively one-sided - not in favor of Russia. To analyze the flight of the author's fantasies and substantiate their inconsistency, you will need to write a long article. But ... I'm too lazy, let him go with pink glasses.
  • north 2
    north 2 4 March 2021 13: 28
    +2
    it is difficult to disagree with the fact that the Crimean peninsula was the most desired strategic foothold for the United States and Turkey and for the whole of NATO. One can only imagine the magnifying glass of the intelligence agencies of the United States, Turkey and NATO under the Crimea in 2014. They observed and checked both from the Cosmos and from the sky and from the earth and from the water and from under the water. And the United States and Turkey and the entire NATO were calm that Russia was not capable and not ready for a war for the most vital bridgehead for it - the Crimea. And for a long time Turkey then hiccupped, when all the US intelligence services woke up in the morning, and in Crimea there are 25 little green men with weapons, ammunition and equipment, although they were not there in the evening and not one soldier or sailor from Russian units and ships deployed in Crimea left their units and ships.
    And in Syria, yesterday there was no Russian airfield from which the Russian Aerospace Forces could bomb Erdogan's oil tankers with stolen Syrian oil and bomb the barmalei from the United States of the ISIS created by Russia, banned by Russia, and the next day the Aerospace Forces were already bombing both of them. , Turkey was lowered and offended very much. And here it is not the United States but Russia saved Erdogan from the state. coup in Turkey. So after such disappointments with America, Erdogan remembered that Turkey was great only when the United States was not on the map of world geopolitics. And I would very much argue that Russia, as if, did not beat Turkey and the United States in The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. The Russian base of peacekeepers is there for many decades, and America's protégé Pashanyan looks very pitiful and soon the Armenian people will judge him .. It's good that he still doesn't eat his ties, like the Georgian Mishiko ...
    So who is not ready for a modern war if all of Russia's military and geopolitical victories are permanent, unconventional and exclusive? It's just that the war is different now, unusual ...
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 5 March 2021 03: 34
      +2
      Quote: north 2
      А there was no Russian airfield in Syria yesterday from which the Russian Aerospace Forces could bomb Erdogan's oil tankers with stolen Syrian oil
      and what global presence does the Russian Federation have in Syria, in addition to the naval PMTO and the aerodrome of the Aerospace Forces ? !! What do you think their content, more profitable (useful) or costly ? !! I honestly don't know ... but I'm worried that the Yankee bases are right next to the refinery (!), they go there for an obvious gesheft (!), as usual (!), without too much investment, but with explicit control over resource allocation/ profits... ? !! and we ?!!
      Quote: north 2
      And then there is not the United States and Russia saved Erdogan from the state coup in Turkey.
      and now it is not entirely clear whether it was necessary for the RF (as it turns out in the long run) ?!
      Quote: north 2
      And I would very much argue that Russia, as if, did not outplay Turkey and the United States in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
      why argue ? !!
      Quote: north 2
      ... the Russian peacekeeping base is there for many decades
      and in what has she outplayed? !! If earlier All this was the territory of the imperial union (USSR), and now everyone who wants to trade in weapons there, and can use it as a training ground in the underbelly of Russia ? !!
      Barely raise your head, after a knockout, - "taka sobi victory" No. !!!
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 5 March 2021 12: 29
      +1
      let's on the facts, you slightly distorted, comrade. North 2 ..
      1. There was no war in Crimea, there was a polite seizure, largely because the Ukrainian military units. with then not yet brainwashed, they did not want war.
      2. Crimean marines participated in the Crimean spring (left their unit) and more than once.
      3. The Russian base in Karabakh has a deployment period - don't say GOP.
      4. And what is the bottom line in Syria? Have you returned the country to Assad and expelled all the invaders?
      5. Caps flying up is sometimes good, the main thing is that the occasion is real.
      those. It's stupid to deny success, but you shouldn't overestimate it either.
  • ALARI
    ALARI 4 March 2021 13: 34
    +4
    Who are you going to fight with? Most families have 1 child. Any more or less major war without nuclear weapons, even if we win, is the end of the Russian ethnos. Truly, there will be a Pyrrhic victory.
    1. SVD68
      SVD68 5 March 2021 08: 14
      0
      Quote: ALARI
      Who are you going to fight with?

      If we are attacked, we still have to fight. Because it won’t be better on delivery. We handed over the Russians in Ukraine, but it didn't get better.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 5 March 2021 08: 50
        +1
        This is true, but you don't need to climb in the forefront yourself. And then many are ready to almost lead the liberation campaigns themselves.
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 4 March 2021 13: 38
    +3
    Author!
    Hello !
    The article you wrote is not true. You conducted a superficial analysis of the situation in the style of "no censor."
    Turkey has rather an exaggerated success. The "satelliteism" of Azerbaijan and the "defeat" of the "Armenian" Karabakh, indicated by you, smiled!
    Where did you see the reason for such "brilliant" "successes" of the Turks?
    The successes of the Turks are rather of a propaganda nature.
    In this comment, I will not compare the Russian military-industrial complex and the Turks.
    You are excellent without me, you own the topic.
    I just want to point out to you those controversial moments, from my point of view.
    Where you, venerable Author, saw the so-called. defeat of Armenia ??
    Armenia has kept intact, its metropolis. The Karabakh Armenians are 3/4 of their acquisitions.
    The army of Armenians, in the overwhelming mass, has been preserved. Well, about Aliyev, you have completely beguiled the World.
    Aliyev, not one iota, will give up His Personal Power for the sake of Erdogan's dubious buns.
    Example: The 2010 Zurich Protocols, initiated by Davutoglu.
    And what did the Azerbaijanis "do" with the Turks.
    Ask the Azerbaijanis themselves.
    Regarding your argument about Erdogan's "appetites" for Russia, as they say,
    dreaming is not harmful, the main thing is not to become a habit.
    And don't forget about the "card" you mentioned!
    Taking this opportunity, I would like to remind the Dear Forum users that this is only
    the "wet dreams" of Americans needing to be fed in the form of "moisture".
    Otherwise they will dry up and remain only illiterate theses.
    The contract model of the Russian Army that you mentioned is just one of the varieties of development in peacetime.
    And there is no need to offend the B / S, They are most worthy of wages.
    Because unlike you and me, they risk their lives!
    But this is so, prose writer.
    With regards to your analysis of possible "buns" from the West in the event of a war with the Turks.
    Here, I basically agree with you.
    But only if Russia is the initiator of the conflict.
    I would like to dwell on the confrontations in Libya and Syria.
    In the first case, we are just stepping on the * mazol * of the Turks in revenge for Syria, and this is not critical, as the recent events in this country have shown.
    With regard to Syria, things are not as simple as you indicated.
    It should not be discounted, the Anglo-Saxons and Gauls are interesting.
    And this for all that, despite the fact that we have basically reached parity of interests with the main * instigators * of the problem and have retained, for the most part, our preferences.
    Regarding your analysis, intra-political life and industrial potential in terms of the production of competitive products of the civil sector of the economy, as well as in terms of modernization, then to the great regret,
    It's hard to refute you.
    Unfortunately, the situation is no better in the area of ​​social tension.
    Respectfully yours!
    1. Albay
      Albay 4 March 2021 19: 07
      -1
      Hello, Vlad!
      The defeat of the Armenian army is evident.
      More than 50 percent of the equipment was destroyed. Almost all air defense, tank units by 70 percent. The loss of personnel plus demoralization and mass destruction is evident.
      The Karbakh Armenians did not retain a single millimeter of their past acquisitions, but they also lost more than half in Nagorno-Karabakh itself and almost all of the strategic heights and logistics. The only thing I agree with is that you are right about the relations between Aliyev and Erdogan, Turkey and Azerbaijan. It is also necessary to see who is more from whom. depends and Aliyev did not concede to anyone and will not yield to power. You quite rightly recalled the attempt behind Aliyev's back in Zurich to accept the protocols of Turkey with Armenia. In a short time, Aliyev forced the Turks to move away from such steps and even make excuses for a long time.
      1. vlad.baryatinsky
        vlad.baryatinsky 4 March 2021 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Albay
        Hello, Vlad!

        Greetings!
        Quote: Albay
        The defeat of the Armenian army is evident

        I did not dispute in general, the heavy defeat of Armenia.
        Quote: Albay
        More than 50 percent of the equipment was destroyed. Almost all air defense, tank units by 70 percent. The loss of personnel plus demoralization and mass destruction is evident.

        I dare to point out to you that only the air defense systems that were deployed in Karabakh.
        And those who, the Armenians "sent" to Karabakh.
        At the expense of armored vehicles, I would not be so categorical about the losses at 70%.
        In my subjective opinion, the losses are in the region of 50-60 %%. Based on the total aggregate mass of equipment deployed in Armenia and Karabakh.
        Quote: Albay
        .Losses of personnel plus demoralization and mass destruction is evident.

        I agree, only partially. Catastrophic, you can not call it.
        Quote: Albay
        Karabakh Armenians have not retained a single millimeter of their past acquisitions

        Controversial statement.
        It depends on how you and I proceed from the assessment.
        I'll start with myself!
        I believe that Karabakh is an acquisition of Armenians, which means, based on the above points, the Armenians at least retained the Nagorno-Karabakh itself, from 2/3 to 3/4 of the previously occupied area.
        If we follow your interpretation of events, then Armenia and the separatists have lost in aggregate, according to my calculations, 72,4% of the previously occupied territory.
        Quote: Albay
        but also lost more than half in Nagorno-Karabakh itself and almost all of the strategic heights and logistics.

        ALLAH! With you.
        What kind of logistics are you talking about?
        Some destroyed and depopulated territories.
        The Armenians did not even bother to establish communications, let alone full-scale highways with the metropolis. How did they put themselves in a stalemate, given which region and how "poor" it is in terms of logistics and communications.
        1. Albay
          Albay 4 March 2021 21: 27
          -1
          I dare to point out to you that only the air defense systems that were deployed in Karabakh.
          And those who, the Armenians "sent" to Karabakh

          Vlad, you are deeply mistaken, and the air defense systems on the territory of Armenia, including the S-300, have been destroyed. There is a corresponding video.
          Also on the territory of Armenia, a video confirmed the destruction of 2 Elbrus OTRK and 1 Point U.
          So, based on the above points, the Armenians at least preserved the Nagorno-Karabakh part itself, from 2/3 to 3/4 of the previously occupied area.
          Again, you are not aware of it, I just assessed from the point of view you indicated. That's just the point Nagorno-Karabakh is not being counterattacked by the Armenians. More than half of Nagorno-Karabakh has been liberated. Where did you get 3/4?
          Open the map and see, the Azerbaijani army liberated half of Nagorno-Karabakh, and given that all strategic heights and important communications are also liberated, the remaining part of Nagorno-Karabakh by the Armenians will be shot up and down.
          What kind of logistics are you talking about?
          Some destroyed and depopulated territories.
          Armenians didn't bother

          Regular logistics. Unfortunately, you either do not know, or you use incomprehensible sources.
          They laid a road to Kalbajar, carried out work to Jabrayil. Rocket roads were built for military purposes. All these roads are already under the control of the Azerbaijani army, including important strategic roads inside Armenia are now completely under the fire control of the Azerbaijani army.
          Sincerely.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 March 2021 13: 49
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    And yet here we are not talking about weapons. And about ideology. Ideology cannot be considered an ideology if pathos prevails over professionalism. Ideology consists of the smallest particles that surround a person. Some critics of the USSR say that they felt freedom. And freedom is like the air we breathe. We do not even think about air. We just breathe. The nature that surrounded our ancestors gave them the strength to defend their abode. And what does a person think when we sell our forest to where they are trying to save their forest?
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 4 March 2021 14: 20
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      Quote: nikvic46
      Ideology cannot be considered an ideology if pathos prevails over professionalism.
      Professionalism is an economic category. You smuggled it into ideology to the place of struggle, which is actually opposed by pathos in ideology. Most of the citizens of the USSR, indifferent to the ideology, did this, although everyone wrote an essay at school with the epigraph of Julius Fucik:
      Fear the indifferent! It is with their tacit consent that all evil is committed on earth!
      Don't you remember what they wrote there? And the pretentious ones moved along the party line.
    2. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 15: 24
      +1
      And freedom is like the air we breathe in. We don’t even think about air. We just breathe.
      This is Dovlatov's "spoke" by the German captain Paul Rudi - who is the Estonian defector Paul Rutti wassat .
  • cniza
    cniza 4 March 2021 13: 52
    +3
    In addition, the situation in society shows that Russia is not ready for war.


    The author, name a country that is ready for war ... there are no such countries.

    That is, we have no experience in deploying a group of millions, supplying and replenishing it to counter the enemy.


    This is necessary for past wars, which few people imagine today, but certainly without the front line and rear ...
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 4 March 2021 14: 23
    +5
    Azerbaijan completely unexpectedly for the majority of military experts defeated Armenia in Karabakh.

    Which experts were surprised by the victory of Baku, armed with the latest technology, over the sawing military budget of Armenia? laughing
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    As for Turkey, Russia will be able to protect itself from it. The lack of borders will limit the theater of operations by sea and air. In the latter, countries have different weight categories.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 March 2021 14: 31
    +1
    Apparently, the training manual was finally approved. Previously, they did not write at all, then they were timid, but now that's all - save yourself, Turkey is coming. The Sultanate will do.

    Although there is no military school of its own, the economy is not so hot, Endogan, our strategic partner or terrorist, was almost overthrown recently.

    With the Kurds, it's generally funny ... Have we responded to the great Ichkeria or I ... l reacted? So why should the Turks turn a blind eye to the Kurds? Naturally, it is easier to oppose the Greeks and Iranians in a crowd ...
    Crimea is generally across the sea, completely different countries are closer to it ...

    And that extinction is so, too, it is not in Turkey ...
  • Tektor
    Tektor 4 March 2021 14: 51
    +2
    “But you won’t fight,” they shout in Stratfor.
  • Nycteaph
    Nycteaph 4 March 2021 15: 06
    +3
    It is very amusing that the author pointed out that migration weakens "national security" in Russia, and at the same time opposes the growth of the population of Turkey, while in Turkey itself the Turks are dying out just as quickly as in Russia, the Russians, and the crazy population growth occurs at the expense of the Kurdish territories, which for Turkey carry more problems than all migrants and ethnic minorities in Russia combined.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 4 March 2021 15: 27
      +3
      It is noteworthy that rapid depopulation is taking place in the richest and most livable areas - and in the mountains in the suburbs, all are normal. The trend, however.