The Russian Defense Ministry was offered to resume production of the An-124 Ruslan

The Russian Defense Ministry was offered to restore production of the An-124 Ruslan aircraft. This was reported by the press service of the military department.

At a meeting in Ulyanovsk at the Aviastar-SP enterprise, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was asked to resume production of Ruslans at the Ulyanovsk aircraft plant. During the meeting, Shoigu noted that six An-2020s were repaired in 124 and expressed the hope that Russia will be able to get the required number of serviceable aircraft.

Note that talks about resuming production of An-124 have been going on for several years. In 2018, it was reported that preparatory work had begun at the Aviastar-SP for the start of production of the Ruslan. The company itself stated that although the production of the An-124 was discontinued in Russia in 2003, but within the framework of a program of deep modernization and support for the airworthiness of these aircraft, the company has full production technology, since over the entire time the company has manufactured 36 An 124 Ruslan.

In 2019, it was reported about work on the An-124-100M with completely Russian components. At the same time, Kiev announced that the new Russian aircraft should receive a different name, since the An-124 Ruslan is a Ukrainian aircraft. It was also stated about the inability of Russia to resume production without the participation of Ukraine.

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense advocated the resumption of production of Ruslans, but the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov rejected the urgent need for this, saying that the repair of the existing An-124 fleet would allow them to be operated until 2040.

Comments

[Vadim Ananyin]

Something strange happens, we do it, we don’t do it.
Some strange swing, it is not clear what the problems are in terms of making a decision.

[apro]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

Some strange swing, it is not clear what the problems are in terms of making a decision.

Money ... money is free ...

[bayard]

Quote: apro

Money ... money is free ...

Engines.
Just engines.
Ukrainian, at the moment.
But the approach is similar to the new NK-23, made on the basis of the NK-32M gas generator and with a thrust of 23 tons. They are also planned to be installed on the new promising PAK DA - two per piece.
But this engine should start testing only this year ... but how things will go with fine-tuning, only Ahura-Mazda knows.

[apro]

Quote: bayard

Engines

And they cost money ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: apro

And they cost money ...

not everything can be bought for money ...

[apro]

Quote: NEOZ

Quote: apro

And they cost money ...

not everything can be bought for money ...

For a lot of money, you can buy everything .... that is on sale.
And the fact that an aircraft of this class was not developed is a matter of priority.

[NEOZ]

Quote: apro

For a lot of money, you can buy everything .... that is on sale.

and engines are not for sale ...

[apro]

Quote: NEOZ

and engines are not for sale ...

It is possible to develop and implement in production. Finance the plant, but this is a matter of priority.

[Azimuth]

It took years to grow specialists, the continuity was broken. Only people from production focus on iron, and it is only iron, if there are no specialists, and monkeys with diplomas are running around. There are no workers, specifically Workers, the class has been undermined, the dynasties have been destroyed.

[maiman61]

are you saying that there are no monkeys to work on machines?

[Azimuth]

With such an attitude towards a person of labor who creates a product, that very added value, and with such an attitude from all kinds of "effective managers" we got what we have, but we have no root crop.

[maiman61]

The product is not created by a stupid drunkard, brainless, unable to even learn at a technical school! And smart engineers! Who does not understand this, that stupid person!

[rjpthju]

I agree. Will 70-year-olds build? There is no vocational school for workers, there is no social system, the salary is penny - who will go then? This used to be taught to young people, hostels, leisure. And then there are apartments, gardens. And now?

[bayard]

Quote: apro

For a lot of money, you can buy everything .... that is on sale.

China has a LOT of money, and they are ready to pay it, but they have no normal engines.
And they are not given them - the circus with Motor Sich is an example of this.
So it’s not just money.

And the Arabs have a lot of money, but they buy planes (and everything else) abroad.
So not everything is sold for money.
You need to KNOW, CAN and BE ABLE.

[apro]

Quote: bayard

You need to KNOW, CAN and BE ABLE.

Golden words .... until after the 90th year it became not interesting and was not funded.

Quote: bayard

And the Arabs have a lot of money, but they buy planes (and everything else) abroad.

The Russians have little money. But they also prefer to buy planes abroad. Coincidence .... I don't think so.

[bayard]

Quote: apro

The Russians have little money. But they also prefer to buy planes abroad. Coincidence .... I don't think so.

Citizen Medvedev decided so.

[hydrox]

For such decisions it is possible (and even necessary!) To receive a kumpol from the SAMO and go as an assistant to the department of civil law.

[bayard]

If YOURSELF was the SAME, it would have arrived long ago.
But power in Russia is structured somewhat differently. There is a caste of untouchables, and there is simply ... people. And the interests of these two categories do not intersect in any plane.
That is why, instead of industrial growth and growth in prosperity, we have digitalization, vaccination, self-isolation and a mask regime.
And they don't want to build planes.

[hydrox]

And Emelka, according to the Agreement with the pike, was much better and faster!

[bayard]

Such a wonderful fish would not hurt us today.

[hydrox]

No, we will not be able to save: the liberoids will squeeze, they will sell it at the auction, fry it, fight for the right of ownership, and then they will search for a long time "Where have you gone?", And they will find only bones behind a puddle ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: bayard

not everything is sold for money.
You need to KNOW, CAN and BE ABLE.

Also WANT.

[Revolver]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Quote: bayard

not everything is sold for money.
You need to KNOW, CAN and BE ABLE.

Also WANT.

If I had risen from the coffin comrade. Stalin, they would all stir and run as if with a burning fuse in a sensitive place. And about the fact that CAPITAL letters are above, the approach is simple:
Can not? We will help you.
You can not? We will teach.
Do not want? Let's make.

[Grits]

Quote: Nagan

If I had risen from the coffin comrade. Stalin, they would all stir and run as if with a burning fuse in a sensitive place.

No, it would not be so. If Comrade Stalin stood up, then in a week Zaporozhye, together with all the factories and engines so necessary for the country, would already be Russian. Together with the designers, workers and material resources.

[bayard]

Quote: Gritsa

No, it would not be so. If Comrade Stalin stood up, then in a week Zaporozhye, together with all the factories and engines so necessary for the country, would already be Russian. Together with the designers, workers and material resources.

Quite right.
And the Nikolaev shipyards would already build ships for the Navy, and "Zorya-Mashproekt" - engines for them.
And long ago they would have resumed the construction of "Ruslan", and An-70 ... and Il-76MD90A.
And where Chubais, Nabiulina and other Grefs would have ended up, it's even cold to imagine.
... A note in the middle of the flowers at Stalin's grave: "Father, get up, the bourgeoisie are morose."

[Azimuth]

Only later will a bitch generation grow up again and all these Grefs, Naebulins and Ryzhy will be written down as holy martyrs, multiplied by 100 and they will scream about the bloody regime ...

[bayard]

Do you really think that Comrade Stalin, rising from the grave, would repeat his mistakes of condescension to the enemies?
I think his own death taught him a lot.

[Israel]

Tell this to the MC-21 project managers, neither composites nor engines will be sold even for big money ..

[bayard]

There are already composites.
And the engines appeared.
As part of the finished product (aircraft) - they will be sold. When we wait in the series.

[Vladimir Mskvchev]

what money cannot buy - you can buy for VERY big money!

[bayard]

We love to master money, there would be a suitable reason.
But in the aircraft industry, the problem is still not about money.
And in the missing competencies.
Therefore, there is nothing to spend money on ... yet ...

[apro]

Quote: bayard

And in the missing competencies.

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[bayard]

Did you live then - in the 80s?
Can you imagine the level of intellectual power and engineering competencies?
THEN there was not enough money to implement all that the brains and hands of engineers could.

And now it’s quite the opposite. For new specialists were not properly trained, not appreciated, they were traveling on Soviet luggage. And when the itch - and the money was found ... but the specialists ... grew old, died, retired.
And there are no new ones - they did not prepare.
Look at the ordeal from the Il-112. This is the clearest example!

Quote: apro

did not try to finance. regularly.

We can't do it according to plan now. For 30 years now, PLAN is a dirty word.
Now everything is a bazaar ... sorry - the market decides.
And in the market, except for the bazaar, nothing happens.
For production is managed by anyone, but not engineers.
Economists, journalists, sociologists, artists, former employees of the special services ... this is one BAZAR.
And don’t give these "specialists" how much money - they will master everything.
Why it didn’t work out - they will report. Cheerfully and cheerfully.
And they will demand more.
Because the main thing in the bazaar is money.

And in order to build airplanes and engines for them (the most complex engineering unit of our time), ENGINEERS are needed. CONSTRUCTORS. MACHINERS of the highest grades. LOCKSMITS-ASSEMBLERS. LABORATORIES, STANDS, PRODUCTION CAPACITIES.
And money .
In sufficient quantity.
Then to the one who needs - for production and RESULT.
But since it is not customary for us to answer for the result, the money goes to the one who needs it ... and not to the one who is supposed to and needs it.
Here, as one plumber said, you can't do with one gasket ... The whole system needs to be changed.

[volodimer]

You wrote a lot in caps, I understand, it's boiling. I'm from science, so I should probably yell more. AAAAA! That's it ... Kf-mn myself, although my diploma is an electrical engineer, hydroacoustic. Previously, about 30 stupid but talented people graduated from such an institute a year. They took the flight. 1-2 people in the specialty. But the level of education made it possible to "quickly master, accumulate knowledge and become a professional." After 8 years (very lazy) I defended my dissertation and came to my own department. There are 4 students and a dying specialty. Moreover, the level of knowledge of students is frankly low .. The teachers are the same, but the students ... They do not care deeply: expel, you yourself will be left without a salary. And they are given grades, although there is an oak-dubar. Outcome: IT gets a diploma and it's good if the manager goes to the store ... But it can be attached to the plant by pulling ... it knows how to use CAD, however, it does not know in what units the dimensions are indicated on the drawings .. And it can also find + and - in the outlet of breaks 220 (not 0 and phase, namely + and -) AAAA !!! Sorry, it's boiling.
The Soviet Union won the space race with the United States for school desks.
Now we are already 40 years behind in the future. Hello Rogozin with trampolines.
We are eating up the last remnants of Soviet education. But in order to return at least after 40, we need those who will now teach children not "theory of consumption", but mathematics, physics, chemistry and astronomy.

[bayard]

I see you are boiling too ...
But the authorities, apparently, need exactly THIS.

[volodimer]

You’re right, I don’t want my grandchildren to become "skilled iPhone users." The chef takes cubic roots "in his mind". They were taught this at school. I still have enough for square ones, but the introduction of calculators has already severely crippled my mental abilities. Of course, I can remember how to use the Bradis tables, but I will also die out. And young people without a computer and 2x2 will no longer be able to.
And we made bolts for Dalzavod at school. In half a day, at most, I can do it again. And I also remember how to work at STD, how to make plaster tiles, to knock on doors, and the number of stools, mops and pointers made is several dozen. I can wash, revenge, wash, iron, sew, dig potatoes and pick cucumbers, load and unload, dig and bury, plant and uproot.
I just now realized how much I really CAN.
After all, I was taught this. Soviet education .. And this is still in school ...
It turned out in the spirit of A. Pokrovsky.

[bayard]

Quote: volodimer

, I don't want my grandchildren to turn into "qualified iPhone users"

When ideology is FORBIDDEN in the state, the ideology of DEGRADATION wins in it. Alas, this happened, without goal-setting, only movement downward is possible ... It's sad ... but the "successes" of the Russian aircraft industry are evidence of this.
And you have to do something about it.

[Grits]

Quote: volodimer

But in order to return at least after 40, we need those who will now teach children not "theory of consumption", but mathematics, physics, chemistry and astronomy.

By the way, astronomy and drawing are no longer in the school curriculum. But there is a "law of God"

[lelik613]

Arithmetically, we have become half as many as the number of enterprises.

[hydrox]

These are the competencies that are not for sale (there is simply no one to buy from!), And the Dzhamshuts do not smuggle them into Russia ...

[hydrox]

How is it nowhere?
After all, there was a choke who wanted to build a super-high-speed highway "M-va - Kazan", but where else can one find another one that will provide passenger traffic along this highway in order to recoup the construction not in 3 centuries, but at least a little earlier?

[bayard]

Where and how to master, we have always had enough specialists. I mean that we do not have enough engineering and design personnel of the required qualifications, machine operators, fitters, assemblers, production facilities (not "sites", but capacity). See WHAT is happening with the organization of "serial production" of the Il-76MD90A , with the development of the Il-112? With the development of the IL-114?
We are generally silent about the Il-276 - the topic is closed due to the lack of free design personnel for this.
PD-14 is ready for mass production, but ... is the SM-21 itself ready for production?
That's why I say - money is important.
Very important .
But competence and real opportunities to produce something are more important.

And if just for the sake of development, then ... you can build a dozen more bridges ... to Sakhalin ... to Alaska ... to the Moon ... Or a new road ... from Norilsk to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky ... through the Kuban ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: bayard

Quote: apro

Money ... money is free ...

Engines.
Just engines.
Ukrainian, at the moment.
But the approach is similar to the new NK-23, made on the basis of the NK-32M gas generator and with a thrust of 23 tons. They are also planned to be installed on the new promising PAK DA - two per piece.
But this engine should start testing only this year ... but how things will go with fine-tuning, only Ahura-Mazda knows.

Well, the modernized NK-32-02 was brought to mind and to mass production, namely, on its basis, the NK-23D, aka Product-RF, is being created.

[bayard]

On its basis, but it is still a high bypass engine and it still has the whole set of tests. And during the tests, a lot of what jambs can get out. So there is hope, but with confidence so far ... caution in estimates.

[frog]

Exactly NK-23 ???

[bayard]

Quote: frog

Exactly NK-23 ???

Quote: OrangeBigg

NK-23D

[mvg]

Just engines

I'm not a specialist, but all we can do is 6 x 14.5 PD-90, instead of 2 x 25. Let's make a little Mriya ...
We have nothing else.
Alternatively, the domestic B-52

[amr]

Quote: bayard

But this engine should start testing only this year ... but how things will go with fine-tuning, only Ahura-Mazda knows.

Yes, if they decide to build the plane anyway, while the contract, while that behold, while the materials are ordered, the subcontractors, the conveyor .... in general, there the first engines probably in 3-4 years will be needed to hang up and that's not a fact! I also called it optimistically

and if 7-8 gliders are riveted in 5-10 years, then dvigly by that time could have been released and immediately brought into the sky ...

[bayard]

I also think that the engines should be in time for the start of serial assembly of the new Ruslans.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

Something strange happens, we do it, we don’t do it.
Some strange swing, it is not clear what the problems are in terms of making a decision.

As I personally see it, this swing on the one hand is being pulled by supporters of the development of a new PAK TA, on the other by supporters of the resumption of production of "Ruslans". But PAK YES is such a "pie in the sky", at such a height that it is not visible. And heavy transport workers are needed yesterday.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

Some strange swing, it's not clear what the problem is

The winds constantly change direction, but they blow so strongly that the Kremlin towers sway back and forth ...

[NIKN]

So it seems like the Il-106 was considered to replace Ruslan ... It seems like new technologies, but Ruslan like it was yesterday and there is little point in promoting it ... Right 7 Fridays on Monday ...

[Genry]

Quote: NIKNN

This is how they considered the Il-106 to replace Ruslan ...

They did not consider it, but spoke, mainly in the press and in the comments.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NIKNN

This is how they considered the Il-106 to replace Ruslan ...

At the level of pictures in "Technology-youth"

[hagen]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

Some strange swing, it is not clear what the problems are in terms of making a decision.

Before getting the engines, a lot of time, so they are discussing possible options without much rush.

[svp67]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

Something strange happens, we do it, we don’t do it.

What engines will be installed on the new aircraft? Without solving this issue, the question of resuming production is not worth raising.

[rjpthju]

So what country do we live in? Wonderland, a field of fools ...

[rjpthju]

So what country do we live in? Wonderland, a field of fools ...

[apro]

So the market and decided ... that there is nothing to build.
Of course the plane is reliable, but this is 70s technology.

[Piramidon]

Quote: apro

Of course the plane is reliable, but this is 70s technology.

What technologies? The basic design is excellent. Change the filling, somewhere to introduce modern materials into the design ... IL-76 was brought to a modern look. Why can't we do the same with Ruslan?

[apro]

Quote: Piramidon

What technology?

A full production cycle, which they cannot boast of today.

[Piramidon]

Quote: apro

Quote: Piramidon

What technology?

A full production cycle, which they cannot boast of today.

Do you know for sure, or do you suppose so? Personally, I read:

the enterprise possesses full production technology, as for all the time the enterprise has manufactured 36 An-124 "Ruslan" aircraft.

[evgen1221]

Tell this B-52. The engines are also changing the filling, and the glider is the same. And nothing whines that the years of Ochakov's development.

[bayard]

Quote: evgen1221

Tell this B-52. The engines also change the filling, and the glider is the same

The filling is changed.
But the engines are not - on the old ones - the fifties, the engines fly. In recent years, exclusively due to engineering cannibalism.

Quote: evgen1221

And nothing whines that Ochakov's years of development.

Whine.
Whine, heartfelt. But they do not succeed in anything suitable, massive and budgetary. B-1B and B-2 did not replace the old people - niche aircraft. So they exploit old people ... and they smoke and sometimes they crumble. Right in the air.
And they never came up with a worthy replacement for them.
Everything new is monstrously expensive, and pride does not allow making a banal general-purpose subsonic bomber.
... the Year of the Hegemon.

[evgen1221]

Do you yourself believe that the engines of the 50s, if they are mothballed from the factory, will fly without major replacement of parts with new ones from the factory? The same rubber and other seals do not last so much and must be systematically replaced, and there is still a lot of new things needed in the engine. In general, the b52 engines are from the field of tales about the flight to the moon by amers.

[bayard]

Quote: evgen1221

Do you yourself believe that the engines of the 50s, if they are mothballed from the factory, will fly without major replacement of parts with new ones from the factory?

Of course, they are being repaired, and for sure some parts are ordered from factories. But all these engines were produced until the mid-60s, when the serial production of these aircraft was completed (a total of 700 units were produced). And there was a good supply of these engines. Moreover, most of the B-52s in the 90s were taken to the reserve or written off. But in the last decade (or a little earlier), stocks of engines in warehouses have run out. And then, in addition to repairing the existing ones, they began to remove engines with unused resource from already decommissioned aircraft. And a number of other parts that have not been produced for a long time.
The fact is that no one could have imagined that the B-52 would last that long. They were going to be changed to B-1B at one time, but ... they changed their minds, having converted them into CD carriers.
So it is not from a good life that such longevity.
It is different with our Tu-95s - those that are in service now, produced in the 80s. So our Tu-95MS \ MSM have enough resources.
And regarding the remotorization of the B-52 to more modern and economic engines, there were attempts ... They tried to install four engines from the Boeing-747, but ... unsuccessfully. On a prototype vehicle, the engine fell off the pylon during an overland parking run. changed their minds.
Now there are plans to change the engines, but for less powerful ones, with a thrust of 8 - 9 tons in a quantity of 8 pieces. for each, so as not to alter the entire fuel system. Maybe it will work out ... But the glider is too decrepit and ancient ...

[Insurgent]

in Kiev, they said that the new Russian aircraft should receive a different name, since the An-124 Ruslan is a Ukrainian aircraft.

FAQ ... ??

First flight : 24 декабря 1982 года

Start of operation : January 1987 years

WHERE was your "Square" in 1982?

[Ascold1901]

As they say - "They took it straight from the tongue.")))

[Piramidon]

Quote: Insurgent

WHERE was your "Square" in 1982?

Their independence was still 100/500 million years BC. Didn't you know?

[Orange bigg]

Exactly the same as on the brand seized power in 2014.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Piramidon

Their independence was still 100/500 million years BC. Didn't you know?

Yes, I did not know ... After all, I was born, grew up and was brought up in other Ukraine , a republic, in the full sense of the word, DEPENDING on common sense.

[Pavel57]

6 PS-90 engines will be sufficient until PD-35 appears.

[bayard]

Quote: Pavel57

6 PS-90 engines will be sufficient until PD-35 appears.

The PD-35 will have a capacity of 35 tons each, four of which are extremely redundant for Ruslan. There are 4 of them. just right to put on "Mriya".
Six PS-90s - you will have to redo the wing for three pylons and completely redesign the entire fuel system. The well-coordinated work of six such units is still a problem ... And so no one does it with serial aircraft.
But four NK-23 - just right. Their thrust will be the same as that of the D-18, based on the NK-32M gas generator. This year, the first such engine starts bench tests. If everything works out, then these units will be used for the renewed Ruslans, for the remotorization of their existing fleet, and for the promising PAK DA - two pieces per board.
Apparently they believe in the engine, since they started talking about this.

[Genry]

Quote: bayard

But four NK-23 - just right. Their thrust will be the same as that of the D-18, based on the NK-32M gas generator.

You have somehow lost the causal connection. NK-23 are very ancient. NK-32 is more modern and has been renewed in production for the modernized and new Tu-160 and Tu-22.
For the An-124 and its analogue, there will be an engine with a thrust of 25 tons - the youngest of the PD-35 family.

[bayard]

Quote: Genry

NK-23 are very ancient. NK-32 is more modern

Who is their fault that they came up with such an index for the engine?
NK-23 is a NEW, I would even say - the latest engine based on the NK-32M gas generator (now production has begun to equip the Tu-160M ​​\ M2 and, possibly, the Tu-22M3M). The first copy has just been assembled and the first sample should begin testing on the bench. It will be used for the remotorization of the existing An-124 fleet, for the promising PAK DA and for completing the new An-124M. KB im. Kuznetsova states that on the basis of the NK-32M gas generator it is possible to create by-pass engines with a capacity of 18 to 30 tf.

Quote: Genry

For the An-124 and its analogue, there will be an engine with a thrust of 25 tons - the youngest of the PD-35 family.

And to wait three more five-year plans for these engines. God forbid that the serial production of PD-14 was established, it has to master a few more modifications in the lineup.
And PD-35 is being developed for a joint project with the Chinese and for the updated Il-96-400, with a capacity of 35 - 40 tons. When and WHOM there is still to deal with the engine in 25 tp. ??? And when will hands and turn come to this?
Kuznetsov's engines will go to Ruslans and PAK DA.

[Genry]

Quote: bayard

NK-23 is a NEW, I would even say - the latest engine based on the NK-32M gas generator (now production has begun to equip the Tu-160M ​​\ M2 and, possibly, the Tu-22M3M).

Renewed NK-32-02 !!!
There is no NK-23 anymore.

[bayard]

Quote: Genry

Renewed NK-32-02 !!!

This is for the Tu-160M ​​\ M2 - with an afterburner.

Quote: Genry

There is no NK-23 anymore.

This is exactly what the Kuznetsov Design Bureau called the projected (now probably tested) large bypass engine based on a gas generator (!) From NK-32M (aka NK-32-02).
If the index is changed during development and testing, it will be different. But so far, it appears in the messages exactly as NK-23.
Can you confuse with NK-25?
Which one is on the Tu-22M3?
Here it is really old and has not been produced for a long time. that's why they invented the remotorization of the Tu-22M3 fleet to the NK-32-02, for the sake of unification and a larger series for resumed production.

[Ripap]

What are you talking about, have you been to Samara for a long time? Kuznetsov's design bureau was defeated, it no longer exists, consider it. Only the plant remains, for the production and repair of what has already been developed, no new engines are being developed there.

[bayard]

Actually, yes, it was about the plant. And about the NK-23 based on the NK-32-02 created, and starting bench tests on it.

And if the

Quote: RipRap

Kuznetsov's KB is defeated, it no longer exists,

, then what achievements and "line of PD engines" can we talk about?
Only after the appearance of something in the hardware and the series.

[Ripap]

And where is the PD? PD are Perm handicrafts, they have nothing to do with Kuznetsov.

[bayard]

And for whom and for what will these engines (a whole line) be needed, if all our aviation design bureaus are liquidated?

[Genry]

Quote: bayard

God forbid that the serial production of PD-14 was established, it has to master a few more modifications in the lineup.

Already launched into series.
Now they are engaged in PD-9 (or PD-8), almost everything from the engine used in the Superjet, joint with Safran - there was not enough hot part.

Quote: bayard

And PD-35 is being developed for a joint project with the Chinese and for the updated Il-96-400, with a capacity of 35 - 40 tons. When and WHOM there is still to deal with the engine in 25 tp. ??? And when will hands and turn come to this?

Technologies (alloys, composites, blades, additive manufacturing) for PD-35 are already ready. I think there is already an engine in the mathematical and 3-D model and is virtually racing ...
The Chinese are on the way ...

[bayard]

Quote: Genry

Already launched into series.

But delivered ONLY a pre-production batch. The production of this engine is still ahead.

Quote: Genry

Now they are engaged in PD-9 (or PD-8),

Do you see where the engineering and design personnel are directed?

Quote: Genry

Technologies (alloys, composites, blades, additive manufacturing) for PD-35 are already ready.

This is all understandable, but even testing and fine-tuning of SUCH engine alone can take a decade. And it is not even in the metal.
And Rogozin boasted about "scaling PD-14" 10 years ago. But engines take a long time to build. This is not a drawing, not a mathematical model, but to implement, test, bring all the necessary changes, certify ... then the engine will appear.
And now it is ONLY on paper.
It will not be there sooner than in 10 years.
And this is me about the PD-35, which is needed for the Russian-Chinese wide-body and the Il-96-400, which is awaited.
And it's a sin to even think about a hypothetical PD-25 - it will take a long time to get our hands on it.
And "Ruslans" have to change their engines already yesterday. Moreover, to build new ones.
And PAK YES will not wait another 10 - 15 - 20 years.
Moreover, the tests of the NK-23 (or whatever they call it, so far they called it that way) will begin in the next few days, and they will be able to finish it in 3-5 years. And prepare production. By that time, the PAK DA will arrive in time, and they will prepare for the production of Ruslans.

[Genry]

Quote: bayard

And Rogozin boasted about "scaling PD-14" 10 years ago.

It is nonsense. The laws of dynamics are not scalable.

Quote: bayard

But engines take a long time to build. This is not a drawing, not a mathematical model, but to implement, test, bring all the necessary changes, certify ... then the engine will appear.

Now there is a possibility of mathematical modeling of the engine, which not only allows you to say whether it will start or not, but also to adjust all the dimensions of the combustion chamber, compressors and turbines for optimal operation (a Perm supercomputer with a wide communication channel is used). This is the most time-consuming part of the project - here, it seems, everything has already been driven out.
According to the latest information, PD-35 will take off for wing tests in 2025.
A production and testing base for engines of 24-50 tons is being built.


Useful and interesting:
http://www.ato.ru/content/na-baze-gazogeneratora-pd-35-mogut-sozdat-celoe-semeystvo-motorov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMGSkWfll8Y&feature=emb_title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtHGKMhq_9Y

[bayard]

Quote: Genry

Quote: bayard
And Rogozin boasted about "scaling PD-14" 10 years ago.

It is nonsense. The laws of dynamics are not scalable.

Of course stupidity. but no one called him a genius.

Quote: Genry

According to the latest information, PD-35 will take off for wing tests in 2025.
A production and testing base for engines of 24-50 tons is being built.

Give everyone involved, Ahura-Mazda, intelligence and good luck, but any liberties are possible with us (in Russia). Alas, this is already a tradition - the transfer of deadlines to the law.
With all the good luck, such an engine will go into production no earlier than 2030, but rather later. And I'm talking about PD-35 with a capacity of 35 tons. - for wide body.
Therefore, for a PD engine with a capacity of 25 t.f. can be calculated no earlier than 2035 And never before.
And the Kuznetsov engine is already in the metal and begins bench tests.
So I bet on NK-23.
And let PD-25 be a backup version, maybe the basis for future upgrades.
Because from a mathematical model, even a very well calculated one, to its embodiment in metal, the whole complex of tests, refinements and certification, and finally the start of mass production ... is still very far away.
But I envy your optimism.

[Genry]

Quote: bayard

And the Kuznetsov engine is already in the metal and begins bench tests.
So I bet on NK-23.

Give a link and then NK-23 ... 23 ... 3 ....___

[bayard]

I didn't collect links, but there were reports about him on this site too.

[Genry]

Quote: bayard

I did not collect links, but there were messages about him on this site too

There is nothing.
The NK-23 was a modification of the NK-22, i.e. the name has been taken for a long time.
And the Kuznetsovites do not have a subsonic / non-afterburning test bench for 24 tf (the speed is higher but the volume of pumped air is less).

[bayard]

We'll find out soon. After all, there was a video plot about him, I just don't remember, on TV or in which video, but quite recently ... Maybe even in "Military Acceptance", there was recently about the engines ... Of course, they lie well, but Not only they - they have been talking about it for a long time ... And the director of the plant said ... Shoigu recently held a meeting there.

[lucul]

Now there is a possibility of mathematical modeling of the engine, which not only allows you to say whether it will start or not, but also to adjust all the dimensions of the combustion chamber, compressors and turbines for optimal operation (a Perm supercomputer with a wide communication channel is used). This is the most time-consuming part of the project - here, it seems, everything has already been driven out.

As required.
Such modeling is desirable for the entire line of domestic engines, from 0.5 liter displacement to large marine engines.
It is necessary to make up for the lost 50 years in the engine industry, otherwise our V-2 tank engine will soon hit 100.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Pavel57

6 PS-90 engines will be sufficient until PD-35 appears.

PD-35 will appear faster than the plane will be converted to 6 engines. IMHO.
Shl. And then return everything back to 4 SS?

[bayard]

But what about the engines?
Or is there already confidence in the imminent receipt of the NK-23?
The resumption of joint production of An-124 with Ukraine was discussed both in 2012 and 2013. ... just before the coup.
And it would be very good to resume production - the aircraft is in great demand, only ...
Engines.
And the fact that already 10 (ten!) Years on the same Aviastar they have not been able to establish the serial production of the Il-76MD90A makes us look more cautiously at this prospect.
Airplanes are not built with slogans and promises alone.

[Orange bigg]

They want to install the product-RF instead of the D-18T on the An-124. Below is a quote.

... In 2019, it was reported about work on the An-124-100M with completely Russian components. At the same time, Kiev announced that the new Russian aircraft should receive a different name, since the An-124 Ruslan is a Ukrainian aircraft.

The Mi-2 is a Russian helicopter, but this does not prevent Motor Sich from trying to produce it.

... It was also stated about the inability of Russia to resume production without the participation of Ukraine.

Well, why? It was the case. Surely there is also design documentation.

The enterprise itself stated that although the production of the An-124 was discontinued in Russia in 2003, but within the framework of a deep modernization and support for the airworthiness of these aircraft, the enterprise possesses full production technology, since over the entire time the enterprise has manufactured 36 An- 124 Ruslan.

Well, and to replace the Ukrainian D-18T with the RF Product.

... We need to prioritize designers with the task of creating engine designs with a thrust of 18 tons, 25 tons, looking at them in terms of price, time and, of course, technical value.

What is the perspective of the power plant for VTA aircraft? On the one hand, the UEC calls the timing of its appearance in 10 years or more, and the veterans of "Kuznetsov" are not for the first time talking about their readiness to provide high-power engines in one and a half to two years. Dmitry Fedorchenko, in the recent past the general designer of Kuznetsov, directly answered Vladimir Shamanov's questions:

- Are you able to create a power plant for heavy aircraft?

- Are able!

- Do you guarantee?

- I guarantee! I announced an engine with a thrust of up to 30 tons back in 2012. Now Kuznetsov is working on an engine for a promising long-range aviation complex. It can also be used as a large engine for the VTA and for the An-124 Ruslan as well.

Vladimir Shamanov picks up:

- I officially declare that this is a well-developed concept, people have been working on it for two years. I propose, with two signatures, Governor Dmitry Igorevich Azarov and mine, to send a letter addressed to Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin. Otherwise, it will be chatter and it will lead nowhere.

https://argumenti.ru/society/2020/08/680353

[bayard]

Kuznetsovsky NK-23 starts bench tests this year. If everything goes well, in 2 - 3 years it will be possible to get this engine for testing on the An-124. Apparently that's why the movements began. During these 3 years, it is possible to prepare the production of the An-124 ... But in reality, everything turns out for us much longer.

[seregin-s1]

Yes Yes. Shamanov, being the governor of the Ulyanovsk region, finished off the enterprise.

[Ros 56]

Ukraine has nothing to do with Antonov's firm and has not. This design bureau was transferred from the city of Novosibirsk during the Soviet era to Kiev, but could go anywhere. And all the Soviet Banderlog was decommunized, so it’s hard to say what Russia can and cannot do. Russia can do anything

[New Year day]

Quote: Ros 56

Ukraine has nothing to do with Antonov's firm and has not. This design bureau was transferred from the city of Novosibirsk during the Soviet era to Kiev, but could go anywhere.

A far reaching message! There has been no union for 30 years, and you all remember it. If you follow your logic, then we also have no rights to AvtoVAZ in Togliatti - the plant was bought in Italy.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Silvestr

If you follow your logic, then we also have no rights to AvtoVAZ in Togliatti - the plant was bought in Italy.

In fact, he was sold to the French for a pittance. So with the rights ...

[Ros 56]

Have we deitalized the plant in Togliatti? And we don’t spit on Italians, unlike Banderlog. And by the way, Renault has been driving there for a long time.
And most importantly, we bought it, and these Bandera ruffians grabbed everything for free, including the Crimea in 1954. So think with your head.
And the Union is all of us who were born and lived in it, well, of course, except for you.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ros 56

Have we deitalized the plant in Togliatti?

Has Ukraine decommunized the Antonov firm? - No.

Quote: Ros 56

And most importantly, we bought it, and these Bandera ruffians grabbed everything for free,

You obviously think that the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was a parasite and a parasite in the USSR?
“The economy of the Ukrainian SSR was one of the most powerful economic complexes in the Soviet Union. The products of ferrous metallurgy, chemical industry, mechanical engineering were produced in large volumes "- from the primer.

Quote: Ros 56

And the Union is all of us who were born and lived in it, well, of course, except for you.

You have chauvinism in your head. You fight for the Union, but you yourself bear outrageous chauvinism. Think about it. The next station is "Russia itself, alone, defeated Germany. Russia is above all, all other peoples and countries are garbage under their feet."

[Ros 56]

With logic you have some kind of strained, well, nothing, it happens. You should see a doctor.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ros 56

With logic you have some kind of strained

it’s stressful for you, as the doctor speaks. Causal relationships and logic of thinking are completely lost!

[jovanni]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

Something strange happens, we do it, we don’t do it.
Some strange swing, it is not clear what are the problems in terms of making a decision

There are no other intrigues of Chernomor ...

[Klingon]

there were already a lot of articles on this topic, it seems that they were already going to build a completely domestic heavy aircraft according to the "Elephant" project, then they again returned to the Ruslans, so you should understand these effective managers

[Orange bigg]

The elephant is a very distant prospect, but Ruslan has already been produced, the documentation is there. The elephant, by analogy with strategists, can be compared with the PAK DA, and Ruslan with the previously produced Tu-160. And in order to gain competence for the construction of the PAK DA, they began to master the production of Tu-160M2. With the transport workers, in my opinion, they decided to go the same way. The return of competencies in the construction of the An-124, and then the more complex project Elephant.

[Vadim237]

No one returned to Ruslan, and the Ministry of Transport and Trade is promoting the Elephant, but the creation of it will enter an active phase after the creation of PD 35.

[bars1]

Yeah, the Il-76MD-90A at Aviastar might already be baked like pies! It would be better if the oddballs with the letter "M" from Aviastar took care of increasing the serial production of the 76s (and on their basis, tankers, AWACS, PP - in general, "workhorse"), before swinging at the more complex Ruslan.

[Mavrikiy]

The Russian Defense Ministry was offered to resume production of the An-124 Ruslan

Shoigu will do it.

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense advocated the resumption of production of Ruslans, but the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov rejected the urgent need for this.

So who will produce it, the Ministry of Defense or the Ministry of Industry and Trade?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mavrikiy

So who will produce it, the Ministry of Defense or the Ministry of Industry and Trade?

Well, certainly not MO. He has no factories of his own. It can only order from someone.

[Jacket in stock]

It looks like there are those who want to step on the same rake as with the resumption of production of the TU-160.
There, too, they thought, since not long ago they were making airplanes, then quickly wait once, we will give money and they will start again. Look, even some touches have remained, and the old ones are being repaired.
But it turns out it's not that simple
And there was no equipment or people left at the assembly plant.
And with suppliers it is completely complete F ...
The same will happen at the Ulyanovsk plant. You can't make a plane out of money.

[TermNachTer]

I think that Russia has a sufficient number of Ruslans to transport super-heavy cargo. For the transportation of just heavy, it makes sense to make "Ermak", which will occupy an intermediate position between the Il - 76 and An - 124.

[YURI N.]

Ukraine now only Tridents on the wings of Soviet aircraft can draw .......
And when she produced it herself ...

[iouris]

Produced by the USSR. Bandera are capable of producing only mass destruction of the civilian population.

[iouris]

And what is the historical framework for the existence of this socio-economic formation?

[Vanyusha]

Interestingly, in Ulyanovsk, until 2001, they made AN 128, then the production of IL 76 was moved from Tashkent, I read somewhere that personnel from Tashkent were also received in Ulyanovsk. In total: 76 have been tortured for 10 years, last year they made 3, this promise is 5. In Tashkent, it seems, they collected 7 a month. The Bermuda Triangle is straight. And promises to resume production of AN 128 at capacities that cannot be adjusted 76 are strange.

[Dmitry Izmalkov]

That's right, and Ukraine is happy

[yehat2]

with all due respect to Ruslan, restoring production on the basis of d-36 engines (or its development d18t) is somehow too much
besides, the big question is, can we make even the old d-18t
There remains only one acceptable way - to wait for a suitable engine from the line of technology, to which the PD-14 belongs. But in fact there is no engine yet and in these conditions to design a very expensive and long-running project?
Thank you, recently because of the engines, one Frankenstein is enough, the second is not needed
therefore, until the engine reaches at least some close to real outlines, only then it will be possible to design, and using automated methods like ssj, this can be done quickly.

[Growlers]

There is an opportunity to produce, and even modernized .... Why not if there is a need. And so all the conversations are more like preparations for cutting budget funds

[AC130 Gunship]

And money
B. Motors
C. Legal aspects (Antonov = Ukraine)

[AC130 Gunship]

Or maybe the point is something completely different. Some group of uncles sitting upstairs has the opportunity to cut down the dough well. Remember how many landings there were behind the Vostochny cosmodrome? After all, they can give money to Ruslan right now, but it needs to be rolled out in 10 years. Now the prices for villas in the Mediterranean have dropped sharply. You can make a good investment and retire ...

[mmaxx]

Shoigu was "offered" to restore production of An-124 ... Who suggested? So I can suggest.
Does it seem that Shoigu was offered to restore production with the money of the Ministry of Defense? And the Ministry of Defense with what shisha will pay for all this? All their lives they have been buying ready-made. Yak-152 paid and abandoned at the first problems. And here is a giant transport.
What an e-my article! OBS, not an article.

[Misha_an26]

I met him on the 4th year of the Balashov training course in 1987. D-18 engines from Zaporozhye. And now how?

[Nikolai Redko]

Some kind of strange infa. There may be no questions with the glider, but the engine ?! While there is no PD-35 there is nothing to talk about.

[Ravil2]

It would be necessary to periodically check all members of the government on a polygraph. Much will become clear about the planes and the budget and medicines and pensions.

[Woland]

Everything that cannot be bought for money can be bought for BIG money, and what cannot be bought for big money can be bought for VERY big money. But what cannot be bought FOR ANY money is ABILITY

[nikolai55soot]

For 30 years I have been proposing the transition of all transport to electric traction: a liner flies from Moscow to Khabarovsk at a supersonic speed from 1200 to 3200 km / h or more, and a cargo unmanned liner flies on a hypersonic one from 10 thousand km / h or more, over a high-voltage power line ( 0,4-10-110-220-330-500-750-1150 kV.) On a laser beam, on ultra-powerful high-voltage electric motors from 20000 kW (kVA) and more, a hybrid that burns atmospheric air, saves fuel. fly from 10 thousand km / h and more, with a jump into Space (or 1-2-3 space speed) by launching rockets, with the launch of spacecraft such as "BURAN" and using, if necessary, combat lasers. Aircraft carrier: from the flight regiment docked (like the ISS) after the takeoff of the TTS (heavy transport aircraft) An-225 "Mriya", which will accept, refuel, hang weapons and send any type of aviation into battle, and the most extreme from a nuclear power plant; with NES; with TNPP using combat lasers.

[Zaurbek]

First you need to get a turbojet engine of the required power. Theoretically, it will be received when the subsonic PAK DA is launched. Avionics and some kind of auxiliary systems after the launch of the IL-476 should be mass-produced already.

[rjpthju]

Serdyukov will build you. Keep your pocket wider. The other day, he was going to remove and optimize all aviation design bureaus from Moscow. And all the designers, together in the darkness-cockroach, will go to redesign the AN-124.

[Eduard Rodichev]

Ukrainians will not be allowed to release ANs

[igor.borov775]

Much can be offered, But reality is stronger than desires, Only 76 assembly stations have been equipped, Problems that constantly arise are being smoothed out, They will not reach full capacity soon, And then they want to make a completely new car, There are problems above the roof, We need to create new technological equipment This very solid finances, New engine and equipment for production, The costs are huge And the sanctions are working for this industry, really, not everyone understood, It's only on Zen, one spit and a new car, But here seem to be respectable comrades and know how hard it is to start everything, Sincerely

[Krilion]

your surname is not Katz by any chance ??? .. without having done anything, you are already offering to surrender .... whoever wants, he does, and who does not want to - seeks an excuse ...

[walker40]

Historical déjà vu of objective reality.
B-29 / Tu-4 / Tu-16 / Xi'an H-6 ....
Tu-95
Tu-160 / fak-yes? ...
You can try to copy the C-5 galaxy, An-22, an-226 mriya IMHO is not an option (unless Rozgkosmos version mod - complex-blizzard + mriya + ph energy for the lunar program of reusable shuttles and tourist flights.
You can also load the Scythian laser complex right inside the mriya - they will spray a couple of plates in hyperspace.
And they flew. From Belovezhskaya Pushcha to the moon. Mikhail Sergeevich also does not refuse as a guest of honor ... We go on board tovarischi and gentlemen ... Each creature can be a pair - the doors of the ark are open.
Cash out the welfare fund and in the green to them on board (you can use protons - if there is an overload). Suddenly there is not enough fuel to return - on the moon they will buy refuel. If there is something on Mars, someone can dangle like a blizzard.
The entire "caste of the damned" on the red square on the day of victory through a solemn parade on yachts - MMM limousines (S. Mavrodi.Motors) from the pure aurum of the reserve of the times of the Communist Party.
The rest of the undead corporation of black gold-diamonds traditionally starts from the black state of Cape Canaveral.
There is a native Mami - a stone's throw ...
Two shuttles - freedom and openness I don't know what to do with Brucewillis - the Chukchi are not. Can smell something amiss.
We blind the twin of Bruce - like gum - Putin. Luke sleepless and tarantino connect. They will develop the topic.
In honor of the great holiday, a solemn fireworks can be organized to launch the strategic nuclear forces.
For their entire path of out-of-orbital following.
The only option for making a decision in an emergency-manual mode of control from the very top (the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the rate "corrupt official" VVP-secret: directive comrade Shoigu "on the use of asymmetric special means (including acupuncture hypnotherapeutic), secret vaccination novice 5tisputinsk -th for the elimination of psychoisto (e) ric losses, an epidemic of viral demographic hydrocephalus with quarantine holding of piled symptomatoid, encirclement and liquidation of the accumulation of groups of Langolier armies in the area of ​​the Stalingrad tractor plant) bypassing the charter (national pro (r) ek (t) (k) Allal) army of starving libertodroids as a separate group and with an acceptable probability of implementation (the AN-124 glider will be restarted into series at an airplane launch 30 years after production is stopped by 2025).
Damn no evil on this hell. It's dark in the eyes and the orderlies can come to the ward - it's time to eat vitamins.
Soryan for shameless nonsense.
Made from 1984.

[walker40]

I will accumulate more qubits in the system and come back.

[andreypilot]

"Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense advocated the resumption of production of Ruslans, but the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov rejected the urgent need for this, saying that the repair of the existing An-124 fleet will allow them to operate until 2040." - and then they will come to their senses, we urgently need to update the park ...

[Krilion]

I am surprised that this issue has not yet been resolved in a positive way ... the plane has a huge military and commercial potential .. there is a persistent feeling that some kind of venal government in the government has deliberately made all the necessary decisions ...

[verumvita]

The problem is not in the technical production of the aircraft, but in the state bureaucratic apparatus. After the war, in two years 1945-1947, they were copied from the B29 TU 4 in a country destroyed by the war and did not have the technology of this type of aircraft. The modern state system is copied from the USSR, but only the estate of officials who have grown together with the oligarchs only creates the appearance that they are working, in fact they are doing their own selfish deeds. And they worry about the countries where their children live and live.