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"Gorbachev gave Russia freedom": liberals congratulate ex-secretary general on his 90th birthday

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"Gorbachev gave Russia freedom": liberals congratulate ex-secretary general on his 90th birthday

Today, March 2, 2021, former head of state Mikhail Gorbachev celebrates his 90th birthday. The first and last president of the USSR was congratulated by the current president. In his congratulatory telegram, Vladimir Putin referred Gorbachev to “a galaxy of bright and extraordinary personalities, outstanding statesmen of our time, who had a significant impact on the course of national and world stories».


In this context, it is difficult to understand that the current president, who, by the way, called himself a liberal, was investing in the concept of an “extraordinary personality” taking into account the fact that earlier Vladimir Putin called the collapse of the USSR the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century. If we discuss Gorbachev's personality in such a context, then the terms “bright and extraordinary personality” sound more than doubtful.

Meanwhile, an absentee confrontation erupted on the network between the admirers of the ex-general secretary, whose reign ended with the collapse of a huge power, and his opponents, who are surprised that Gorbachev has not yet repented for his deeds.

From the statements of the liberal representatives about Gorbachev and his anniversary.

Vladimir Ryzhkov:

90 years of Mikhail Gorbachev. He did away with Stalinism, GULAG, terror, cold war, violence. Abolished media censorship, first free elections. Good relations with the West and China. Leader of humanism and freedom. Happy Birthday!!

On this statement, Mr. Ryzhkov received a considerable number of comments, including the following:

Vadim Pogudin:

Khrushchev ended Stalinism, and then in the 60s the Gulag was closed. Vladimir, you d ...?

Pyotr Mazalov:

He destroyed the country, drained the gold reserves, technologies, reserves of enriched uranium, severed all production chains and destroyed the industry, started a civil war and genocide in which 500k of the population die out every year, allowed to build enemy military bases near the borders.

And this is a congratulation from another representative of the liberal "elites" - Grigory Yavlinsky:

Gorbachev gave Russia freedom. Freedom that we have not been able to use. And this is our responsibility. Thank you, Mikhail Sergeevich, for this freedom, for the chance, for the opportunity to see the perspective of a truly free Russia! Happy Birthday!


Representatives of the liberal media were also noted, for whom Gorbachev remains a real political idol.

Alexey Venediktov:

Blaming Gorbachev for the collapse of the USSR is like blaming Churchill for the collapse of the British Empire.

And from statesman Alexei Kudrin:

Today Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev is 90 years old. He turned the country towards greater openness and launched overdue transformations. It is difficult to judge him for their spontaneity and inconsistency, especially during the period of the preservation of the CPSU and the old elite. I congratulate him on his anniversary and wish him health!

It turns out that everything would be fine, but the whole point is in the CPSU and the old elite ... And Kudrin himself, like other representatives of the highest authorities of the Russian Federation, are not they from the same CPSU?

It should be noted that the overwhelming majority of ordinary Russians have a completely different opinion about the personality of Mikhail Gorbachev than the representatives of the liberal "elites" mentioned above, as evidenced by both polls and posts on social networks.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 2 March 2021 12: 21
    +94
    In my opinion, he is just a traitor and he should be tried, and not discussed in V.O.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 2 March 2021 12: 23
      +51
      Quote: cniza
      In my opinion, he is just a traitor and he should be tried, and not discussed in V.O.

      Support.

      "Gorbachev gave Russia freedom"

      Complete nonsense. From whom did he “liberate” Russia? From Russia itself?
      1. Destiny
        Destiny 2 March 2021 12: 27
        +66
        A traitor, of course. The American medal confirms this. And he prefers to live outside the cordon, and not in his own country. Judas.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 2 March 2021 12: 31
          +41
          Quote: Destiny
          A traitor, of course. The American medal confirms this. And he prefers to live outside the cordon, and not in his own country.

          Speaking at the Turkish military academy, he boasted that he destroyed the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the USSR and a medal from americans angry
        2. Poetry
          Poetry 2 March 2021 13: 03
          +33
          Definitely a Jew. What did they call it? Gorby.

          Comrade Gorbachev, thank you.
          For our life that burst at the seams! ..
          Thank you for fleeing Germany,
          For perestroika-shootout-drug addiction.

          Thank you for betraying the Country,
          For your dancing with the offspring of Satan.
          Thanks for the booze, for the bad hangover.
          Well, good luck ... In the Hell's Dungeon ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 2 March 2021 13: 31
            +18
            Yes, and Yeltsin is no better. One is praised by the pro-Western liberals, the other is local spill. There Putin wears flowers to Yeltsin's grave every year.
            1. Poetry
              Poetry 2 March 2021 13: 34
              +15
              For some reason I remember the bad ... When our drunken Tsar Boris took the baton from the conductor in Berlin and began to wave it. Honestly, for the first time in my life I felt ashamed that I was Russian ...
            2. halpat
              halpat 2 March 2021 13: 49
              +14
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Yes, and Yeltsin is no better. One is praised by the pro-Western liberals, the other is local spill. There Putin wears flowers to Yeltsin's grave every year.

              Putin is grateful to Yeltsin and Chubais for promoting him to the leadership of Russia.
              Therefore, he brings a flower to the grave and therefore Chubais is unsinkable.
              In general, you need to take a closer look at Pizza Hut products. There are some life-prolonging additives :)) it's not for nothing that the labeled sky still smokes.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 2 March 2021 16: 50
                +5
                In Egyptian mythology, Osiris, weighing the good and bad deeds of a deceased person, determined where to go: to heaven or hell. I believe that after the "weighing of cases" Gorbachev has only one road - to hell: there are VERY few good deeds behind him, and the collapse of the USSR with the accompanying evil and continuous talk will be VERY strong.

                And he still lives and lives. Either he is very afraid to get there, or they do not accept him, they give him the opportunity to think and suffer. Only there is no remorse or torment - remorse of conscience to be seen. Maybe he ... (a word similar to the extreme meanness of mental development), who is not aware that did he do it?
                1. iury.vorgul
                  iury.vorgul 3 March 2021 06: 10
                  +4
                  It's just that they are afraid in Hell that he will ruin Hell too.
            3. Svarog
              Svarog 2 March 2021 14: 05
              +9
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              There Putin wears flowers to Yeltsin's grave every year.

              So he called Gorbachev a bright extraordinary person who committed the largest geopolitical catastrophe ... The result of which was the goebel of millions of people ... and the surrender of all national interests.
              Putin is trying to please all the former and the electorate .. so a break in the template is happening .. on the one hand, a bright extraordinary personality, to whom we pay a pension of 600 rubles, who is all pros-la .. on the other, a great geopolitical catastrophe .. how can it be in one a person to get along?
              1. frruc
                frruc 2 March 2021 16: 27
                +9
                In his congratulatory telegram, Vladimir Putin referred Gorbachev to "a galaxy of bright and extraordinary personalities, outstanding statesmen of our time who have had a significant impact on the course of national and world history."

                One thing is clear, the country and the people cannot stand another such "bright and extraordinary personality". As for domestic development, it was thrown back for decades, thanks to such figures (see above).
        3. 210ox
          210ox 2 March 2021 14: 28
          +6
          Interestingly, there is at least one in the commentary who will drink to the health of the marked one? Who congratulates him? Those who got from his "reign", Yavlinsky and co.
          1. Arctic
            Arctic 2 March 2021 14: 44
            +8
            I think I'll raise a glass when the devils in hell turn it over in a frying pan.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 2 March 2021 19: 00
              +4
              It seems to me that the devils are afraid of him, hell can ruin. Will he, restless roam .. Bringing, no one needs.
          2. mat-vey
            mat-vey 2 March 2021 15: 26
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            Interestingly, there is at least one in the commentary who will drink to the health of the marked one? Who congratulates him? Those who got from his "reign", Yavlinsky and co.

            Well, judging by the "-" not even one.
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 2 March 2021 18: 15
            +3
            Quote: 210ox
            who will drink to the health of the marked?

            Better for peace ...
        4. venik
          venik 2 March 2021 14: 45
          +10
          Quote: Destiny
          A traitor, of course.American medal confirms thisYes, and prefers to live outside the cordon, and not in his own country. Judas.

          =======
          I think in honor of the 90th anniversary it should be solemnly award:

          Order of Judas 1st degree!
          This "reward" is exactly what suits him. most the rest of the "regalia". am
          1. dauria
            dauria 3 March 2021 00: 41
            -3
            Order of Judas 1st degree!


            Judas hanged himself. This time.
            And two - what a comfortable figure, here it is. Here he is, the culprit ... laughing In a country where the first generation of oligarchs from the secretaries of the regional committee. And still. Only their children, due to their age, were not in the CPSU.
            Or did the bulk liberals gather in Belovezhskaya Pushcha? No, communists, there is nowhere to put samples.
            1. ivan2022
              ivan2022 3 March 2021 19: 23
              0
              Quote: dauria
              where the first generation of oligarchs from the secretaries of the regional committee Or in Belovezhskaya Pushcha the liberals-navalnyats gathered? No, communists, there is nowhere to put samples.

              In the "land of slaves, the land of masters" it has never been otherwise.
              HEH .... hey you- "red master" he did not like. And why do you need him to defend the laws of the country, PROFITABLE TO YOU, AND NOT THE BARIN? Mass dislocation of the psyche on the basis of serfdom is the reason!
              Normal people should be ashamed that they are not capable of creating any real people's party, except for "OPG-AUE". And the Communist Party and the EP, whatever, BUT in the end it turns out all the same - "OPG-AUE" !!!

              And these, not .... brains inside out; "The master is to blame for sending his slaves to .....", but in my opinion they did just the right thing. It is a pity that I was still too young then and did not have time to stick to the Communist Party.
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        5. Plastmaster
          Plastmaster 3 March 2021 06: 38
          +1
          Quote: Destiny
          Traitor,
          that's why he weighs me like that. Everyone who comes shakes my hand. Correctly you are it. For all the time, only 4 people (young people) tried to draw attention to the fact that your portrait does not hang correctly.
        6. zloybond
          zloybond 3 March 2021 11: 51
          +1
          If we draw a parallel between Trump and Gorbachev, then in the United States, compared to Trump, he would not be awaited by impeachment, but an electric chair. Somewhere in Korea or China he would have been shot with a mortar for treason. Well, here he is an outstanding figure, who is now being congratulated. Yes, this "figure" is really outstanding. Judas. They simply guaranteed, for obvious reasons, this "figure", as well as Yanukovych (another prominent figure) in Russia, immunity.
      2. ioan-e
        ioan-e 2 March 2021 13: 18
        +18
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Complete nonsense. From whom did he “liberate” Russia? From Russia itself?

        He "gave" Russia "freedom" from its former greatness, which we, our children and grandchildren will restore for more than a dozen years!
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 2 March 2021 13: 50
          +9
          Quote: ioan-e
          He "gave" Russia "freedom"

          It is strange that he himself does not want to live in this liberated country, everything is abroad.
          In general, if it were my will, I would make all statesmen not traveling - they should live where crap were engaged in raising the living standards of the population (for which they were chosen).
          1. ioan-e
            ioan-e 2 March 2021 13: 51
            +6
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Quote: ioan-e
            He "gave" Russia "freedom"

            It is strange that he himself does not want to live in this liberated country, everything is abroad.
            In general, if it were my will, I would make all statesmen not traveling - they should live where they were engaged in raising the living standards of the population (for which they were chosen).

            Dream! hi
          2. mat-vey
            mat-vey 2 March 2021 15: 28
            +1
            Quote: Bad_gr
            It is strange that he himself does not want to live in this liberated country, everything is abroad.

            So he somehow complained that they did not give him a pass here - they say ... and talked about himself in the third person ...
      3. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 2 March 2021 13: 37
        +2
        Quote: OrangeBigg

        "Gorbachev gave Russia freedom"

        Complete nonsense. From whom did he “liberate” Russia? From Russia itself?


        Presumably, the collapse of the USSR, Gorbachev freed Russia from the "colonies" - the republics that make up the USSR and live off subsidies from the center, i.e. from Russia.
        1. ivan2022
          ivan2022 4 March 2021 07: 36
          0
          Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          Gorbachev freed Russia from the "colonies" - the republics that make up the USSR and live off subsidies from the center, i.e. from Russia

          Heh ... heh ... some "dancers" are not only republics with their resources (Kyrgyzstan is uranium, Georgia is manganese, Uzbekistan is cotton), BUT OWN OWN ....... HINDER. But it does not prevent anything from subsidizing the strongest countries of the world, every year for 50-100 billion dollars! (And this is the export of capital officially only according to the Central Bank, but in reality how?) Now "free Russia" buys uranium ore in Australia, and manganese ore in China. For the same bucks.
          1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 4 March 2021 09: 26
            0
            Quote: ivan2022
            Now "free Russia" buys uranium ore in Australia, and manganese ore in China. For the same bucks.


            However, the question is: what prevents Russia from buying the same uranium ore in the same Kyrgyzstan, and Manganese in Georgia ???
            By the way, as I heard, Uzbek cotton was of very poor quality and could not be compared with American ...
      4. IvaNik
        IvaNik 2 March 2021 13: 37
        +17
        Stalin gave a happy childhood to the flesh until the 80s, and Gorbachev took it from our children. In the place of EBN and the rest, he returned such a long-forgotten concept as a "negligent", which appeared on the streets of cities after the "glorious" reign of Gorbachev.
      5. Nasrat
        Nasrat 2 March 2021 13: 45
        -4
        1981 .. The ending of the performance is interesting - from 15:27 until the end - they fought, fought and ran into ...:
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 2 March 2021 13: 58
          -3
          Can anyone explain the phenomenon of such a number and scale of betrayal by immigrants from the CPSU ???? They clap their hands, speak fiery speeches, convene congresses ...

          1. 210ox
            210ox 2 March 2021 14: 42
            +16
            I'll try. In the name of the CPSU of the period of the 70-80s, there is only one name from the word "communist". The real communists were knocked out by the war, and those worthy of this title simply worked, served the Motherland, and the overwhelming majority of them did not applaud at the congresses. My mother, a teacher, who died in 2011, kept her membership card until her death. And the traitors? Yes, they went to the party for a career, under patronage. All sorts of crap climbed. Gone are the days when they went into battle, and not for a career. I, being the secretary of the Komsomol organization, refused to join the CPSU, although I could have made a promotion on this. This was in 1986.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 2 March 2021 14: 52
              -3
              Quote: 210ox
              ... The real communists were kicked out by the war.

              in 1941 - 3872465 the number of communists, in 1945 - 5760369 do you think the increase during the Second World War was not true communists?

              Quote: 210ox
              Yes went to the party for a career, under patronage


              And who gave protection? and why good communists under patronage

              Quote: 210ox
              All sorts of crap climbed.
              ??


              Quote: 210ox
              I, being the secretary of the Komsomol organization, refused to join the CPSU, although I could have made a promotion on this.

              It is not surprising that by 1986 .. it was Gorbachev who had done "educational" work .. Quickly the Komsomol members were blown away and betrayed Lenin's cause ... Why do you only blame Gorbachev for your troubles?
              1. 210ox
                210ox 2 March 2021 15: 20
                +5
                During the war, it is absolutely true - the increase by the true communists. And how many of them were left by the mid-eighties? About blown away, I agree. In general, I was against admission to the Komsomol for the sake of a tick and mass character. And the age limit was understated, that's my opinion. At the age of 14, most young people understood and understands little in life.
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 2 March 2021 15: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: 210ox
                  And how many are left by the mid-eighties? ...

                  Those who led in the mid-80s, the steps of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union began to rise at least in the early 70s, I would even say in the early 60s - the same Gorby at least ... What is it about?

                  Quote: 210ox
                  About blown away, I agree.


                  By the beginning of the 80s, both morally and economically were blown away, although the reports continued to draw beautifully and report ...
                  The CPSU led to a dead end ... as the only party at that time, the leading party (!). At the congresses, fiery speeches were pushed, and in the kitchens everyone laughed .. maybe this is why no one ... NO ONE (!) Resisted the collapse of what was built ..
              2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke 2 March 2021 15: 46
                +3
                Quote: Nasr
                Quote: 210ox
                ... The real communists were kicked out by the war.

                in 1941 - 3872465 the number of communists, in 1945 - 5760369 do you think the increase during the Second World War was not true communists?

                Try to unearth the data how many entered the front line and survived with how many entered the rear. hi
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 2 March 2021 15: 49
                  -4
                  Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

                  Try to unearth the data how many entered the front line and survived with how many entered the rear. hi

                  Firstly, I don’t need this ... Secondly, if your hints are correct, does it somehow whitewash and justify the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? Well, that is, a set (your hints!) Of crooks?
                  1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                    DymOk_v_dYmke 2 March 2021 15: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: Nasr
                    Firstly, I don’t need this ... Secondly, if your hints are correct, does it somehow whitewash and justify the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? Well, that is, a set (your hint!) Of crooks?

                    The main "flaw" of the CPSU is that an adequate filtering mechanism has not been created.
                    The Communist Party, in my opinion, has the same sin.
                    1. 210ox
                      210ox 2 March 2021 19: 08
                      +1
                      The Communist Party is generally a fiction. A bunch of conciliators and populists. She could have corrected the mistakes in the mid-90s. But, Zarathustra did not allow. The trouble with today's political life in Russia is the absence of a serious opposition force-enemy "EdRu". All compromisers and freaks. Not today's Communist Party reminds the "Party of Regions" in the war Renegades of pure water.
          2. tatra
            tatra 2 March 2021 14: 43
            +6
            Everything is very simple. The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR have no conscience, no convictions, no moral principles, but always, both under the USSR and after their capture of the USSR, they pretend to be those who are beneficial to them at the moment. And there is no difference between those of them who, under communist rule for decades, pretended to be communists and their supporters, and as soon as they ceased to be profitable for communists during the anti-Soviet Perestroika, they immediately proved their fierce hatred of the communists, the USSR and the Soviet people, and those of them, who in slandering the communists pretends to be "great philanthropists", and outside their anti-Sovietism they all proved their real inhuman essence.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 2 March 2021 14: 57
              -3
              Irina, hello! Your fiery speeches are similar to the fiery speeches of Yeltsin from the video I posted above. look from 15:27 ... How did you yourself fight against the activities of the traitor Gorbachev and his follower Yeltsin?
          3. frruc
            frruc 2 March 2021 16: 36
            +1
            Can anyone explain the phenomenon of such a number and scale of betrayal by immigrants from the CPSU ????

            They were opportunists, moral urges with party membership cards.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 2 March 2021 21: 01
              0
              Quote: frruc
              Can anyone explain the phenomenon of such a number and scale of betrayal by immigrants from the CPSU ????

              They were opportunists, moral urges with party membership cards.

              Do you consider yourself not a opportunist?
              1. frruc
                frruc 2 March 2021 23: 36
                +1
                Imagine, he worked in a responsible job, but he was not a member and did not look in the ass of porno nomenclature. Even at one time he was removed from his duties because of this.
          4. ivan2022
            ivan2022 4 March 2021 08: 35
            0
            Quote: Nasr
            They clap their hands, speak fiery speeches, convene congresses ...

            And they clap their hands, because this is how "grandfather Lenin" taught them? Or maybe you
      6. Igor Polovodov
        Igor Polovodov 2 March 2021 14: 10
        +3
        From social obligations towards the people and from responsibility for what they have done ...
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 2 March 2021 12: 30
      +25
      Quote: cniza
      he is just a traitor and he should be tried, and not discussed on V.O.

      Yes.
      And the majority of those who congratulated him, too. hi
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 2 March 2021 13: 14
        +6
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        Quote: cniza
        he is just a traitor and he should be tried, and not discussed on V.O.

        Yes.
        And the majority of those who congratulated him, too. hi

        The President congratulated him from the bottom of his heart, noting "special merits" ...
        1. RMT
          RMT 2 March 2021 14: 30
          +5
          Yes, congratulated from the bottom of my heart.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 2 March 2021 12: 33
      +12
      he is just a traitor
      and someone thinks that he belongs
      "To a galaxy of bright and extraordinary personalities, outstanding statesmen of our time, who have had a significant impact on the course of national and world history."
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 2 March 2021 12: 37
        +9
        Quote: Gardamir
        and someone thinks that he belongs
        "To a galaxy of bright and extraordinary personalities, outstanding statesmen of our time, who have had a significant impact on the course of national and world history."

        Moreover, “someone” includes both those who impose sanctions and those against whom these sanctions are applied - “This is, you know, the squiggle turns out to be like that” ..
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 2 March 2021 12: 39
        +22
        Gorbachev is the greatest gig-traitor in the history of mankind .. Next to him, even Judas Iscariot looks somehow pale .. And in this capacity, he undoubtedly immortalized his name. Certainly someone - and he will definitely be remembered for centuries in our people. As a symbol of everything the most vile and vile that can only be in a person and a ruler ..
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 2 March 2021 12: 55
          +14
          "He gave us freedom"?
          Yes it is necessary by the legs and into the water !!!
          And keep it underwater.
          So that this "dick" does not come out!
          After all, when g @ clearly pops up,
          It stinks all over the world.
          The devils have been waiting for him for a long time
          This is disgusting shit.
          Poetry is not my strong point, and rhyme sucks, but it was just born while typing.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 2 March 2021 14: 13
          +11
          Quote: paul3390

          paul3390 (Paul)
          Today, 12: 39
          NEW

          +11
          Gorbachev is the greatest gig-traitor in the history of mankind .. Next to him, even Judas Iscariot looks somehow pale.

          good
          As a symbol of everything the most vile and vile that can only be in a person and a ruler ..

          The sad thing about this, besides all that he did it ... so is that he did not suffer any punishment. Nothing at all ... and we pay a pension of 600 tr There are very few efforts in the world where the head of state does not bear any responsibility to the people .. all these countries are mostly marginal .. and it's a shame that Russia, perhaps for the first time in its history, for the last 30 years it has remained a marginal country .. and today's leader has also enshrined his own irresponsibility in the Constitution.
          1. ivan2022
            ivan2022 3 March 2021 20: 36
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            the head of state bears no responsibility to the people.

            Do you think the people themselves are responsible for the history of their country? If I had not tolerated the irresponsible ... The Germans are responsible for Germany, the British are for England. For Russia ...... WHO?
            We have "the Jews and Gorbachev and the Bolsheviks and others are to blame for everything."
            And the people of 140 million and something are "present" and do not understand quite sincerely (!!) what they are to blame.
            And it cannot nominate ANY worthy out of tens of millions. And no matter what political party is created in Russia (the CPSU, ED ROSS, etc.) - in the end, only one and the same thing always turns out; "party OPG-AUE" !!!
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 3 March 2021 20: 43
              +2
              Quote: ivan2022
              Do you think the people themselves are responsible for the history of their country?

              I agree with you on the essence of what has been said. there is such a problem.
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 2 March 2021 13: 15
        +8
        Quote: Gardamir
        and someone thinks that he belongs

        Justifying a traitor is exactly the same traitor to the interests of the Russian people.
      4. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 13: 19
        +12
        Quote: Gardamir
        that had a significant impact on the course of national and world history. "

        Of course it did. Better than Hitler.
        1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 2 March 2021 13: 42
          +4
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Of course it did. Better than Hitler.


          Once, I heard such a statement: during collectivization, more cows were slaughtered than the Germans during the occupation.
          I don’t know, didn’t check, didn’t count.
          However, it would be interesting to look at the numbers: the population decline (mortality) is average in the USSR during the Great Patriotic War and the USSR and Russia during the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, as well as to compare the decline in industrial and agricultural production in the USSR during the Great Patriotic War and the USSR and Russia during the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 14: 02
            +1
            Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            decline in industrial and agricultural production in the USSR during the Great Patriotic War

            From order number 227
            The territory of the USSR, which the enemy has seized and is striving to seize, is bread and other products for the army and rear, metal and fuel for industry, factories, factories supplying the army with weapons and ammunition, railways. After the loss of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, Donbas and other regions, we have much less territory, therefore, there are much fewer people, bread, metal, factories and factories. We have lost more than 70 million people, more than 800 million poods of grain per year and more than 10 million tons of metal per year. We no longer have a preponderance over the Germans either in human reserves or in grain reserves. To retreat further means to ruin oneself and at the same time ruin our Motherland.

            Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            and the USSR and Russia during the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin

            As they will say now, they were uncompetitive.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 2 March 2021 14: 16
            +7
            Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            However, it would be interesting to look at the numbers: the population decline (mortality) is average in the USSR during the Great Patriotic War and the USSR and Russia during the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin,

            Millions of tens of millions is calculated by the decline .. and with their follower, the picture becomes no less sad .. this year only about seven hundred thousand ..
            1. tatra
              tatra 2 March 2021 14: 49
              +7
              If the Nazis and their accomplices from among the citizens of the USSR killed 14 million citizens of the RSFSR, then under the enemies of the communists, who were "given freedom" by Gorbachev, over 30 years supermortality amounted to more than 15 million citizens of the Russian Federation.
      5. Svarog
        Svarog 2 March 2021 14: 07
        +4
        Quote: Gardamir
        he is just a traitor
        and someone thinks that he belongs
        "To a galaxy of bright and extraordinary personalities, outstanding statesmen of our time, who have had a significant impact on the course of national and world history."

        only a colleague in the shop and beliefs can think so ..
    4. rocket757
      rocket757 2 March 2021 12: 35
      +13
      There are no questions for a long time ... but there are no actions in that steppe and there will not be any! The system will protect itself to the end, this is an axiom.
      1. cniza
        cniza 2 March 2021 12: 38
        +5
        The system will not stand up to rot, they just do not want to raise a wave ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 March 2021 12: 46
          +13
          And the wave will hide itself, from the outside! And inside, if it rises, it will be a bloody tsunami, nothing less.
          All this is sad! I really don't want our descendants to have to get into such a batch.
          1. cniza
            cniza 2 March 2021 12: 49
            +2
            So I am, we have exhausted the limit of revolutions, it is better to fix everything with a quiet glan ...
            1. sun 1977
              sun 1977 2 March 2021 12: 55
              +5
              good afternoon, unfortunately it will not work out quietly ... the system will have to be broken at the root .. "And inside, if it rises, it will be a bloody tsunami, no less" .........
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 2 March 2021 13: 02
                +3
                Quote: dim 1977
                the system will have to be broken at the root.

                As in the textbook ... itself, peacefully, the system will not go away, this is understandable, BUT !!!
                Not now, when people around will not wait for any excuse to tear our country apart.
                There are ways to hold on to ourselves and not allow outsiders to get in here and ...
                It is necessary to act rationally, carefully, but thoroughly, to move FORWARD! To create a suitable, favorable situation ... you have to act according to your WISDOM.
                In the old textbooks they could not foresee everything, it is now obvious ...
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 2 March 2021 13: 39
                  +8
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Not now, when people around will not wait for any excuse to tear our country apart.

                  As soon as the bickering begins in the country, jackals from all over the world will immediately flock to tear it apart.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 2 March 2021 13: 51
                    +5
                    Unfortunately, inside, we have enough of everyone who has felt the taste of boundless power and will want to get it ... these, the most dangerous.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 17
                      +2
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Unfortunately, inside, we have enough of everyone who has felt the taste of boundless power and will want to get it ... these, the most dangerous.

                      But theirs will only be supported by the West. Which is the most dangerous thing for any country.
                      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 2 March 2021 19: 53
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Unfortunately, inside, we have enough of everyone who has felt the taste of boundless power and will want to get it ... these, the most dangerous.

                        But theirs will only be supported by the West. Which is the most dangerous thing for any country.

                        Alas, not only.
                        Those who have stolen funds for yachts at the price of aircraft carriers will also have funds for hordes of mercenaries from the rabble. hi
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 2 March 2021 21: 52
                        0
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        Those who have stolen funds for yachts at the price of aircraft carriers will also have funds for hordes of mercenaries from the rabble.

                        You have noticed how hard the topic of mercenary is going on in our country, that is, murderers FOR MONEY, we have this so far, it does not want / cannot take root ...
                        I hope the chosen ones are smart enough not to allow this! And just gangs, state of emergency and so on, no, against our people this dust ... will blow away, at one, two, three.
                        The main thing is not to oversleep if something like this is started.
              2. tatra
                tatra 2 March 2021 14: 52
                0
                Manilovshchina.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 2 March 2021 15: 05
                  0
                  And give you Makhnovshchina?
                  It's just dumb, how vigorous the loaves will be divided?
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 2 March 2021 15: 30
                    0
                    There is no need for aggression. You can NOT justify your words - how all this can happen.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 2 March 2021 15: 57
                      +1
                      Ha, ha, and YOU CAN name, imagine those who can change the existing SYSTEM, right from the start? Who are these people, who is this ... organization? Who can lead the country to a brighter future? Whom will people believe and go to? Who is this Danko?
                      I am a SOVIET person, and teaching me to educate on this topic is a waste of time ... I myself can read a lecture about the best, progressive system aimed at creation, everything for a working person ...
                      That's just the problem, you, criticizing, calling, CANNOT OFFER ANYTHING, so real that NOW, can work in a plus and will not lead to the collapse of the remnants of our Great Motherland.
                      Try it, prove it ... or is it weak?
                    2. tatra
                      tatra 2 March 2021 16: 04
                      0
                      Unlike about you and all the enemies of the communists, according to my comments it is immediately clear-FOR what and WHO I am for Russia and the Russian people. And just as after the capture of Russia by the "red", you "white" did not go anywhere, so after the seizure of the USSR by the "white", we, the "red" did not go anywhere. And by arranging a large-scale persecution of the candidate from the "red" Grudinin in the last "Putin elections", the "whites" proved how afraid they are even of the "pale shadow" of Lenin.
                    3. rocket757
                      rocket757 2 March 2021 16: 09
                      0
                      Everything is clear from your "comments" ....
                      In it was already, renounce not to argue with the "that / P / oy program" .... it's the weather to blame! Hurry, spring would come, real ...
                    4. tatra
                      tatra 2 March 2021 16: 11
                      +1
                      What is it? Are you trying to discuss the history of our country - just for the sake of malice, rudeness, offending? Isn't there enough intelligence for more? You can NOT refute my words - stomp by. I don't need your rudeness.
                  2. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 3 March 2021 10: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: tatra
                    And by arranging a large-scale persecution of the candidate from the “red” Grudinin in the last “Putin elections,” the “whites” proved how afraid they are even of the “pale shadow” of Lenin.

                    And he is not that red, Grudinin. Rather pale pink.
                  3. rocket757
                    rocket757 3 March 2021 10: 48
                    0
                    How did they say about such real Leninists? RADISH!!! Red on top, but inside ... in different ways, mostly WHITE!
              3. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke 2 March 2021 20: 02
                +1
                Quote: rocket757
                That's just the problem, you, criticizing, calling, CANNOT OFFER ANYTHING, so real that NOW, can work in a plus and will not lead to the collapse of the remnants of our Great Motherland.

                Now, active participation in elections to lower levels of government can work as a plus and not lead to collapse. You need to participate and call for it. hi
              4. rocket757
                rocket757 2 March 2021 20: 51
                0
                Elections are certainly not so fast, and the elect will have to WORK not for fear, but for conscience! But elections are just a legal way to organize and start moving forward! Quietly, peacefully, it will not work either, and the SELECT needs no joke support !!! Without the support of the masses of the companions, the chosen ones will doubt the old, well-established SYSTEM! But you have to start.
                Much more is needed, but this is a more realistic way than waiting for our people to come to the city and put things in order! And where are they ours? "Communists", or something, for whom the "miracle of tatra" is crucified ... it is a soulless machine, except for the torn quotes and the pretentious self-confidence of the programmer who created it does not express anything. And those who stain the title of "communist" have long since become the same barriers as all the other "servants of the people" are disgusting to look at.
                Something like this.
              5. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 3 March 2021 10: 07
                0
                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                Now, active participation in elections to lower levels of government can work as a plus and not lead to collapse.

                What are elections? This can be judged by the United States. I'm not even talking about the limitrophes Ukraine, Armenia. All elections are reduced to "whoever is required, that one was appointed." Elections are not a way out of the situation, but there are no other options either.
              6. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke 3 March 2021 13: 15
                0
                Quote: tihonmarine
                What are elections? This can be judged by the United States. I'm not even talking about the limitrophes Ukraine, Armenia. All elections are reduced to "whoever is required, that one was appointed." Elections are not a way out of the situation, but there are no other options either.

                For some reason, everyone is drawn to look at the tops and fold their legs.
                Any upper power will not reach all the places and nooks of the country,
                but the power of the lower level does have a higher influence.
                Even more so for local decisions.
                There is an example when the legislative assembly of the regional Duma, with the votes of the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party and the SR, crushed the United Russia initiative to deprive veterans of benefits (of which there are still few).
                So it's not all bad. And I call for maximum activity in the elections lower level
                PS They are drowning for "communism", "socialism", "liberalism" ... "idiocy", but in my opinion it is necessary for Soviet the basis of which - advice... They originated in our country before the October and February revolutions. hi
              7. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 3 March 2021 13: 53
                0
                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                in my opinion it is necessary for the Soviet power, the basis of which is advice. They originated in our country before the October and February revolutions.

                Reasonable answer.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 March 2021 10: 01
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          That's just the problem, you, criticizing, calling, CANNOT OFFER ANYTHING, so real that NOW, can work in a plus and will not lead to the collapse of the remnants of our Great Motherland.

          But they can only criticize, and when you need to do something real, then no one knows anything. And in the near future there is no force that will change the system.
        3. rocket757
          rocket757 3 March 2021 10: 54
          0
          The funniest thing with that "doy at ry program" she only makes it WORSE! Who are the current so-called. "Communists", if he dares, he will be able to compare with those who were ... the same as in the movie "COMMUNIST". It is, of course, CINEMA, but they were, for their homeland, for a bright future, they did not spare their lives !!! And the present ... tfu, petty-bourgeois party, with not poor, such leaders !!!
          Complete nonsense.
          For example, I was not, not a fan, BUT, such a perversion is not at all to my liking, not to my mind ...
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 March 2021 11: 04
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Who are the current so-called. "Communists", if he dares, he will be able to compare with those who were ... the same as in the movie "COMMUNIST".

          It can be compared either with the "Left SRs" or with the "Cadets". And even then not for the better.
        5. rocket757
          rocket757 3 March 2021 11: 28
          +1
          As there and then V. Mayakovsky branded them ... "the snout of a tradesman ..."!
          So, this is all about the present, there is NO poet of revolution on them!
  • cniza
    cniza 2 March 2021 13: 17
    -2
    Quote: dim 1977
    good afternoon, unfortunately it will not work out quietly ... the system will have to be broken at the root .. "And inside, if it rises, it will be a bloody tsunami, no less" .........


    You are probably very young ... we have already gone through - "the whole world to the ground, and then ...", you laid down several tens of millions of lives, do you want a repetition?
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 2 March 2021 13: 49
      +6
      Quote: cniza
      several tens of millions of lives have been laid, do you want a repetition?

      Well, last year the country decreased by 700 thousand people. Minus is such a good regional center. This year will be even worse. So ... The problem is that the position of the ostrich is more expensive than the bloodiest revolutions.
      But in general ... I am sincerely sorry for those who reason like you. It was from roughly such positions that France fell under Hitler at 40m. For there, too, there were a bunch of speakers - they laid down several million lives, do you want a repetition? This is how nations degenerate and then perish when they forget that it is better to die standing up than live on their knees, and begin to preach "prudence".
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 March 2021 15: 10
        -3
        It's funny ... but they didn't try to get down to business, you don't want to be an ostrich.
        By the way, who are you on the barricades of behavior? And yet, in what ranks are you going to stay, right in the first, first? Chest on the "machine gun" ...
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 2 March 2021 16: 00
          +5
          Quote: rocket757
          It's funny ... but they didn't try to get down to business,

          Nope. I'm not trying. For I respect the Criminal Code. yes And why? In my entire life I will not do as much for the construction of barricades as our beloved guarantor in 1 week. yes In 2001 popular love, in 2014 support of the majority, by 2021 contempt, from the same majority. It’s not so long before hatred. This is who is driving Russia to the barricades. With kicks. Despite the resistance. Where can I compete with such a pro? lol
          Quote: rocket757
          And yet, in which ranks you are going to stay

          My dear ... I'm not stupid enough to throw myself at the Kremlin, but with a pitchfork. But cowardice, presented as prudence, is by no means mine.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 March 2021 22: 02
            -3
            The problem is that the position of the ostrich is more expensive than the bloodiest revolutions.

            This is so, not the incitement of everyone ... weak in the head.
            Well, since they can use a pitchfork on their bayonets, but you are very smart for that?
            So, this is called specifically and ... you do not need to explain about the legislation, you are so
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            My dear ... I'm not stupid enough to throw myself at the Kremlin, but with a pitchfork.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 3 March 2021 11: 46
            0
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            In 2001 popular love, in 2014 support of the majority, by 2021 contempt, from the same majority. It is not that long before hatred remains.

            Kuchma was removed - bad, Yushchenko was elected - also bad, Yanek became very bad, ascended the throne Beautiful Powder - not a horse's forage, and finally the Beloved Vova Ze - but this is not a gift either. Well, all of them, except for Petya, were chosen by the people. (now everyone is really shouting - “it's not me!” I think we will not watch the continuation of the series.
            Look at yourself and think one thing - "what do we want?" But so far no one has said anything intelligible about this, although someone is trying to dress Grudinin in a laurel.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 2 March 2021 13: 54
      +3
      Calm, confident movement forward, at the moment, the most productive, could be ... but some changes in the upper ruling system have long been overripe and will have to be done, otherwise there will be such a brake, which is not necessary.
      1. cniza
        cniza 2 March 2021 14: 04
        +2
        Precisely, and let everyone who is hot, on the head of cold water, respect how all the revolutions in the world ended and whom they ate in the first place ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 March 2021 14: 13
          +2
          Revolutions occur, different, in their own TIME !!! We also have experience that cannot be considered useless, but rather a GREAT EXPERIMENT that set the benchmarks for the development of many things all over the world, BUT, the situation was ripe and overripe then ... there were serious forces that could carry out great transformations, create and manage the created !
          It was a tough event, but it is such in magnitude that not every century you can dare to take it.
          Now there is not a ripe situation, just for this, let alone the forces to organize, create, manage and lead, there is no trace of it!
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 14: 24
      +6
      Quote: cniza
      Do you want a repeat?

      Want. Already, and almost nothing to lose.
      1. cniza
        cniza 2 March 2021 14: 31
        +3
        Everyone has the right to their opinion, but I don't want to destroy myself ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 14: 33
          +6
          Quote: cniza
          but I don't want to destroy myself ...

          And now we are destroying ourselves. In a peaceful and legal way.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 2 March 2021 14: 59
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          Everyone has the right to their opinion, but I don't want to destroy myself ...

          And by how many people should we reduce a year, if with 700 thousand you still don’t want to? In my opinion we are being destroyed .. conditions have been created under which the population is dying out.
    4. tatra
      tatra 2 March 2021 14: 55
      0
      Why are you afraid to continue? "And then, we are ours, we will build a new world." And ALL the victims of the people on the territory of the USSR - both under Soviet power and after the destruction of the USSR - from the external and internal enemies of the Communists, they unleashed all the wars during these 103 years after the October Revolution.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 March 2021 11: 06
      0
      Quote: cniza
      we have already gone through - "the whole world to the ground, and then ...", several tens of millions of lives were laid, do you want a repetition?

      They do not understand this, and their thoughts revolve around "the whole world ..." Everything is simple for them, like a pie for 3 kopecks.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 2 March 2021 13: 19
    +3
    Quote: cniza
    we have exhausted the limit of revolutions enough

    No one in their right mind will want neither blood, nor civil war, but will they only make it possible to avoid this?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 March 2021 15: 16
      -1
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Quote: cniza
      we have exhausted the limit of revolutions enough

      No one in their right mind will want neither blood, nor civil war, but will they only make it possible to avoid this?

      And you read it above, there are enough of those who have bloody boys dancing in their eyes!
      No no, work hard, create something for which / whom you can go to achieve the best no, no, give them a straight shot, all at once ...
      They do not know how to create, only to destroy.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 March 2021 14: 07
    +3
    we have exhausted the limit of revolutions
    for some reason no one wants to call the events of the early 90s a revolution, and meanwhile Vika and Petya are talking
    a radical, radical, "revolutionary", profound qualitative change, a leap in the development of nature, society or cognition, coupled with an open break with the previous state.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 2 March 2021 16: 31
      +3
      hi
      Quote: Gardamir
      for some reason no one wants to call the events of the early 90s a revolution, and meanwhile Vika and Petya are talking

      This is definitely not a revolution, this is a counter-revolution. Revolution is always progress, i.e. transition to a new, more progressive socio-economic formation. In the 90s, there was a regression, i.e. a rollback to the old regressive socio-economic formation, or in another way, the reaction. And the blood and genocide of the Russian (and not only) people, it brought incomparably more than the "Red Terror", for example.
  • Snail N9
    Snail N9 2 March 2021 13: 07
    +9
    If he is a traitor, then who are those who raged in numerous rallies against the "commies", shouted and drowned for the "western path", threw away their membership cards, re-braced themselves to another flag, etc.? Should they, too, be judged together with Gorbachev, or - "this is something else"?
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 2 March 2021 13: 18
      +3
      Quote: Snail N9
      shouted-drowned for the "western way"

      And many shouted and drowned for the western route? People simply wanted to EAT !!!
      1. cniza
        cniza 2 March 2021 13: 21
        +2
        And they are not to blame for this, but when the crowd a person loses his appearance and lives by brutal laws. hi
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 2 March 2021 13: 31
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          a person loses his appearance and lives by brutal laws

          hi Hello! And remember Vitya, who brought Yeltsin to power?
          1. cniza
            cniza 2 March 2021 13: 40
            +4
            Sergei, I don’t want to remember those times, but I’m even more afraid that we will forget them and again on the same rake, oh how ...
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 2 March 2021 14: 00
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              I'm afraid we will forget them

              So don't forget! In fact, Yeltsin was brought to power by the Kuzbass miners with their helmets on the paving stones of Red Square!
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 2 March 2021 17: 02
                +1
                Quote: Serg65
                In fact, Yeltsin was brought to power by the Kuzbass miners with their helmets on the paving stones of Red Square!

                And George Herbert Walker Bush, without his support Yeltsin would be no one.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 3 March 2021 07: 43
                  0
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  George Herbert Walker Bush

                  It was outside support!
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 2 March 2021 14: 08
            0
            who brought Yeltsin to power?
            at the same time and whom Yeltsin brought.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 2 March 2021 14: 14
              -1
              Quote: Gardamir
              at the same time and whom Yeltsin brought.

              laughing Zyuganov in the Communist Party!
          3. tatra
            tatra 2 March 2021 15: 00
            0
            One "Liberator" of the enemies of the communists Gorbachev, pulled out another "Liberator" of the enemies of the communists Yeltsin from Sverdlovsk, and dragged him to Moscow, and the Russian enemies of the communists with 45 million pieces imposed Yeltsin into the power of Russia and its people.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 2 March 2021 15: 25
              +3
              And who pulled Gorbachev from the Stavropol Territory to Moscow, dragged him to the very top? Isn't it Comrade Andropov ???
              A chain of all sorts of events, natural and ... The great country crumbled like a house of cards !!!
              Nothing happens JUST LIKE!
              1. tatra
                tatra 2 March 2021 15: 28
                -2
                That's what I wrote above, that you, the enemies of the communists, always, both under the USSR and after the USSR, pretend to be those who are beneficial to you at the moment, just as your "Liberators" Gorbachev and Yeltsin pretended to be "loyal communists" for 30 years , so you all 33 years after the seizure of the USSR with your Perestroika pretend to be "great philanthropists" in slandering those from whom you have taken the country.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 2 March 2021 16: 02
                  +2
                  tatra
                  hurt again ... hey, weirdo, fix PROGRAM M MU!
                  And what kind of go / E / t chose this "great" commentator. HA, HA, HA.
                2. tatra
                  tatra 2 March 2021 16: 06
                  -2
                  What is this boorish answer? Was this why Gorbachev gave you, the enemies of the communists, the freedom of speech that you so longed for?
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 2 March 2021 13: 25
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    who raged in numerous rallies against the "commies"

    I remember that time, and you probably too. People were fed up with the fact that the authorities did not live according to the principles that they preached. People then forgot about their class interests. Today makes us remember them.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 March 2021 15: 27
      +2
      Here, here, how it all started ??? Straight from the textbook - the authorities could not do otherwise, and the lower classes no longer wanted to live like this!
      Although, as a result, they lost a lot more than they suffered then and on what they based their claims!
      Everything is not on the mind ... so, usually, the collapse happens. Classics of the genre.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 2 March 2021 16: 34
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        Here, here, how it all started ??? Straight from the textbook - the authorities could not do otherwise, and the lower classes no longer wanted to live like this!

        Not at all. Some people just wanted to shove public property into private pockets. And they took advantage of the situation, or rather prepared it for a long time and carefully.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 March 2021 21: 41
          +2
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Some people just wanted to shove public property into private pockets.

          That is why it is the hidden meaning, which was not clear to everyone and not at once!
          Everything was organized on beautiful slogans!
          Classics of the genre, big deception is hidden behind ... there is always something to hide behind!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 2 March 2021 15: 21
    +2
    Correct question ... anyone is to blame, but not WE.
    And we are, a collective labeled, drunk and other redheads!
    By the way, there were very few of those, in comparison with us, the collective ... indifferent, lazy .... like itself, by itself, but we have nothing to do with it!?!?!?
    We hide our shame behind accusatory speeches and swearing .... no, we won't get anywhere, and it’s unlikely to budge !!!
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 2 March 2021 16: 34
    +2
    ..... the system will not resist rotting .....
    , yes, but for a while, before it falls apart ---- will still exist until the amount of rot increases to the limit ...
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 2 March 2021 16: 30
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    There are no questions for a long time ... but there are no actions in that steppe and there will not be any! The system will protect itself to the end, this is an axiom.
    yes, Victor! Diligently and slowly, the "heroes" of this system are being introduced, fixed, in textbooks, in films, in different images --- monumental, including ...... a whole generation with these "heroes" ...... What will they be children?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 March 2021 21: 44
      +3
      Quote: Reptiloid
      What will their children be like?

      Different, of course, with a bias in one direction.
      Ours will also be different, but we really need to try to make their inner core strong and straight! Our most important concern.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 2 March 2021 23: 58
        +3
        Quote: rockеt757
        ...... we really need to try to make their inner core strong and straight! Our most important concern.
        I am glad that you are working with many children, not only your own.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 3 March 2021 06: 19
          +1
          This is the norm, it should be so!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 3 March 2021 09: 29
            +3
            hi Victor, are you still remote? Or not? I know that we have resumed children's circles this year. .....
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 3 March 2021 10: 34
              +1
              We are all grafted, children go to school and sections ... the people have already felt the will !!!
              Everything is normalized and working .. those who survived, of course!
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 2 March 2021 12: 41
    +12
    Quote: cniza
    In my opinion, he is just a traitor and he should be tried, and not discussed in V.O.

    I fully support it. The union was the only free country, and the humpback drove the country into slavery to the banker and corporations
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 2 March 2021 12: 55
    +1
    Yes, he is not a traitor. For betrayal, one had to have a plan for this very betrayal, and for drawing it up, one needed a brain, which Gorby never had. He is a prime example of the fact that stupidity is the most destructive force in history. belay
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 2 March 2021 13: 02
      +9
      "Gorbachev gave Russia freedom":
      freedom from honor, conscience, brotherhood ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 13: 53
      +3
      Quote: Sahalinets
      He is a prime example of the fact that stupidity is the most destructive force in history.

      If he was stupid, we still lived in the USSR. And you can't call him smart, but he played a good role in a play written by someone else's hands.
  • credo
    credo 2 March 2021 13: 04
    +6
    Quote: cniza
    In my opinion, he is just a traitor and he should be tried, and not discussed in V.O.

    I understand Vladimir Vladimirovich - polite is polite and he will not make himself Khrushchev, who poured mud on Stalin.

    I understand all this liberal riffraff, which got out of the back rows and on a wave of sycophant, venality and servility took warm and financially attractive places.

    I understand people who have enriched themselves on the national property, when the country needed to be saved.

    But I just can't understand Gorbachev, who, even in his 90 years, when it is necessary to sum up and soberly look at things, based on life experience, the fate of millions of people in a great country and what has become of it over the past 35 years, claims that he I did everything right and would have done even more if it had not been interfered with.
    I don't know if someday there will be a shift in his brain and he will finally understand the whole tragedy of millions of people who once believed in him and were so bitterly burned, but to be honest, this no longer makes sense, because the opposite cannot be returned either. belated repentance will not change anything.

    And so, if on the topic, I have no good words on his birthday.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 2 March 2021 13: 21
      +6
      Quote: credo
      I don't know if he will ever have a brain shift

      Since childhood, he has had brains on his side, and where should these brains move? The petty little man will fancy himself a Titan until his death !!!
    2. oldzek
      oldzek 2 March 2021 13: 23
      +2
      I absolutely agree !! although he says flattering words about his predecessors, he does not do what they do. I want to congratulate this type like this: "oh, oh, why aren't you dead when you're a little boy."
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 13: 56
      +4
      Quote: credo
      I don't know if he will ever have a shift in his brain and he will finally understand the whole tragedy of millions of people.

      The psychology of betrayal is still not fully understood. But the one who betrayed, betrayed once, continues to betray all his life.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 2 March 2021 14: 13
      +6
      polite is polite
      Why did your heir to Yeltsin not celebrate Lenin's 150th birthday last year?
      1. credo
        credo 2 March 2021 14: 17
        -4
        Quote: Gardamir
        polite is polite
        Why did your heir to Yeltsin not celebrate Lenin's 150th birthday last year?

        Marked with a glass, you just weren't there hi
    5. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 2 March 2021 20: 20
      +2
      Quote: credo
      I don't know if someday there will be a shift in his brain and he will finally understand the whole tragedy of millions of people who once believed in him and were so bitterly burned,

      Will not come. He did everything consciously.
      He didn't care about the fate of millions.
      Don't give a damn now. "Your skin is closer to your body." hi
  • fuel oil
    fuel oil 2 March 2021 14: 00
    +2
    Even Heaven disdains to take ...
  • EDWARD
    EDWARD 2 March 2021 14: 28
    +16



    It is worth recalling that it was M.S. Gorbachev, being the last leader of the USSR, did everything to destroy "the world's first state of workers and peasants."

    Naturally, he could not do this titanic work alone. He was helped by the same Judas, like him, who held important leadership positions in the Soviet Union. But among these Judas M.S. Gorbachev was, of course, the most senior Judas.
  • high
    high 2 March 2021 16: 13
    -8
    If it weren't for Gorbachev, life in Russia would have flowed like in North Korea ... many people like it
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 4 March 2021 09: 15
    0
    he is just a traitor and he must be tried

    God marks the rogue ... This marked will remain in the history of Russia as one of its most vile traitors, comparable to the biblical Judas.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 2 March 2021 12: 21
    +17
    “It should be noted that the overwhelming majority of ordinary Russians have a completely different opinion about the personality of Mikhail Gorbachev than the representatives of the liberal“ elites ”mentioned above, as evidenced by both polls and posts on social networks.” - well, just very different ..
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 2 March 2021 12: 29
      +6
      someone else, and someone else not ...
      there "our FSE" (aka the main liberal) has already congratulated the marked ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 2 March 2021 12: 30
        0
        Quote: kepmor
        there "our FSE" (aka the main liberal) has already congratulated the marked ...

        So this is not from "ordinary Russians" .. and not even from ordinary ..
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 2 March 2021 13: 24
        +2
        Quote: kepmor
        (he is also the main liberal) has already congratulated the marked

        He is the leader of the country! Or he had to act purely in a communist way ... the secretary general died, portraits in the furnace, delete the name from everywhere, rewrite the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, rename the city ??? Whatever hunchback nit was, but he is the history of our country .... and there is no escape!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 14: 30
          +5
          Quote: Serg65
          Or he had to act purely in a communist way ... the secretary general died, portraits in the furnace, delete the name from everywhere, rewrite the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, rename the city ??? Whatever hunchback nit was, but he is the history of our country .... and there is no escape!

          He could just be silent.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 2 March 2021 14: 47
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            He could just be silent.

            Maybe he could, maybe not. Russia has a centuries-old history, and not only from 1917 or 1991!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 14: 48
              +3
              Quote: Serg65
              Or maybe not.

              And who prevented him from closing the mitten, poor fellow?
        2. tatra
          tatra 2 March 2021 15: 05
          +2
          Yes, it is perfectly normal for the enemies of the communists to justify traitors and criminals before the country and the people.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 56
          +3
          Quote: Serg65
          He is the leader of the country! Or should he have acted purely in a communist way ... the general secretary died, portraits in the furnace, the name deleted from everywhere, the history of the CPSU rewritten, the city renamed?

          Nit can be remembered, but J.V. Stalin was easily removed from the Mausoleum, and they were not condemned for this. Stalingrad was removed, and everyone is silent. And none of the country's leaders since 1991 remembered that December 21, 1878 was his birthday. The story should be the same for everyone.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 3 March 2021 07: 53
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Nit can be remembered

            will die and no one will remember him!
            Quote: tihonmarine
            I.V. Stalin was easily removed from the Mausoleum, and they were not convicted for this

            Stalin is one of the most remembered leaders .... and who should condemn whom now? Khrushchev? So the CPSU did not condemn him either! .... but Stalin, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union condemned ...... so maybe it is necessary to break this vicious circle? There was the leader of the country, he will remain with him ... in history! I still remember how on November 11, 82, political officers tore down Brezhnev's portraits and casually dumped them in the battalion!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 3 March 2021 09: 34
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              There was the leader of the country, he will remain with him ... in history!

              You need to learn from the Chinese, none of the leaders of the country was condemned. Yes, and the states of their presidents remember and do not pour slop and.
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 2 March 2021 13: 27
        +4
        Quote: kepmor
        there "our FSE" (aka the main liberal) has already congratulated the marked ...

        He did not forget to check in at Yeltsin's grave and say a fiery speech there.
    2. depressant
      depressant 2 March 2021 12: 43
      +13
      And me, straining to irony, was moved by Vladimir Ryzhkov, a man with the appearance of a Komsomol leader, who still has not lost his enthusiasm and party persuasiveness in trampling on "Stalinism."
      He didn’t live under "Stalinism", but how he suffers from it - as if he lived! Convincingly, passionately suffering, just right to write books about how he suffered and suffers and cannot get out of this suffering - it keeps him! It has become a profession! To write books! Moreover, the education received in a school of the Stalinist type is quite enough for the formation of a coherent speech. It's scary to go to Zen now, because the illiteracy is such that making your way through the palisade of mistakes, you lose the meaning of writing. Isn't this what Mr. Ryzhkov is advocating for when he praises Gorbachev?
      Worthy of each other. One is the chief Judas, the second is an apprentice.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 2 March 2021 12: 48
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        the second is an apprentice.

        So he relied on them, and they carried him - a symbiosis of parasites ..
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: mat-vey
      "It is worth noting that the overwhelming majority of ordinary Russians have a completely different opinion about the personality of Mikhail Gorbachev than the representatives of the liberal" elites "

      Now this is so, but as it was before when the country was destroyed, this is everyone's business. But if the overwhelming majority of ordinary Russians have a negative attitude towards Gorbachev, then he is a genius player and artist who was able to fool many tens of millions of people.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 2 March 2021 15: 24
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        who was able to fool many tens of millions of people.

        When they began to "destroy" the country, he already got a knee from Yeltsin ... and no one came forward in his defense .. He fooled himself ..
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 46
          +1
          Quote: mat-vey
          He fooled himself ..

          The Moor did his job and left .... and still not poor, but also revered by many, both in the West and in the former USSR.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 2 March 2021 15: 56
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            The Moor did his job and left

            Do you think he wanted to leave?
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  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 2 March 2021 12: 28
    +17
    There will probably be few comments, since the use of profanity is prohibited. And in another way it does not work.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 2 March 2021 12: 31
      +5
      Quote: Dimy4
      And in another way it does not work.

      Yes ... you can't reveal the whole range of emotions ... and you can't give exact exhaustive characteristics ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 14: 06
      +5
      Quote: Dimy4
      There will probably be few comments, since the use of profanity is prohibited.

      And there is enough normal vocabulary to call a traitor and an enemy by their proper names.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 2 March 2021 12: 29
    +11
    "Gorbachev gave Russia freedom": liberals congratulate ex-secretary general on his 90th birthday

    it would be better if he died when he was little angry
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 14: 07
      +3
      Quote: Balu
      it would be better if he died when he was little

      Satan had a protector.
  • Million
    Million 2 March 2021 12: 29
    +6
    Yeltsin and Putin are Gorbachev's followers in his affairs!
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 2 March 2021 13: 08
      -1
      Quote: Million
      Yeltsin and Putin are Gorbachev's followers in his affairs!

      this is not true.
      Putin is a restoration of the very nomenclature that destroyed the USSR. And the new version, just like the nobles a century ago, will destroy the state.
      Yeltsin is just a rogue who happened to be in power by accident and he is not a follower of anyone.
      Gorbachev is just a snickering, poorly educated corrupt official - a freak. A pale shadow of Putin, which is dangerous not so much for its ideology as for its stupidity and lack of will.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 14: 09
        0
        Quote: yehat2
        Gorbachev is just a snickering, poorly educated corrupt official - a freak.

        An interesting statement that refers to “someone who fooled 240 million people.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 2 March 2021 14: 22
          0
          It was not Gorbachev who fooled. He only used the results of propaganda.
          And Khrushchev began his propaganda of philistinism with his manners to catch up with the Americans, socialism in a single apartment, etc. And then it was continued by the nomenklatura and the intelligentsia. Even foreign trade unwittingly took part, tk. mostly bought only the highest quality goods, but few knew about the other.
    2. Yaroslavl
      Yaroslavl 2 March 2021 13: 14
      +1
      applause!
  • Berber
    Berber 2 March 2021 12: 30
    +18
    Thanks to this type, a significant part of the population of Russia became extinct. And if you add those who were not born? Genocide charge Russian people[i] [/ i], this is the smallest thing that can be presented to him.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 14: 11
      +4
      Quote: BerBer
      thanks

      Such words to such lower creatures cannot be applied, written or pronounced.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 12: 32
    +12
    I’m not bloodthirsty, but I’m waiting ... How many years has he lived .... Too long ... It’s time to really. It's time.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 2 March 2021 14: 01
      +5
      I'm not bloodthirsty
      Me too, but I really would not like to die a natural death.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 14: 53
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      I’m not bloodthirsty, but I’m waiting ... How many years has he lived .... Too long ... It’s time to really. It's time.

      Too long ...
      Without words.
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 2 March 2021 12: 32
    +9
    It is interesting that all federal TV channels have also joined the above.
    1. depressant
      depressant 2 March 2021 13: 42
      +5
      And they are corrupt. They were formed in the early 90s, dug in there like huge liberal spiders, and, having mastered the technique of mental manipulation, devour the gullible souls of our citizens.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 49
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        And they are corrupt.

        And who are their real masters.
        1. depressant
          depressant 2 March 2021 16: 07
          +2
          And those who issued them licenses to fool ordinary citizens and do not take them away. Can you guess? Those, on whose mill they profitably pour their vile, dirty water from the filing of the same licensing persons, who look favorably on their so-called television activity, which is useful to them.
  • Scipio
    Scipio 2 March 2021 12: 32
    +17
    This figure is a black spot in the history of Russia .....
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: Scipio
      This figure is a black spot in the history of Russia .....

      Over a thousand-year history. One.
      Ghoul.
  • Cockroach Zee
    Cockroach Zee 2 March 2021 12: 33
    +14
    He destroyed the country, drained the gold reserves, technologies, reserves of enriched uranium, severed all production chains and destroyed the industry, started a civil war and genocide in which 500k of the population die out every year, allowed to build enemy military bases near the borders.

    For such "achievements" he will also get the Gorbachev Center, you will see. As long as we allow it.
  • V1er
    V1er 2 March 2021 12: 34
    +5
    "Long time to live"
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 12: 37
      +4
      I hope you are kidding?
      1. V1er
        V1er 2 March 2021 12: 37
        +4
        I took in ""
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 12: 39
          +5
          Yes. Saw. But all the same, he clarified ..)
  • potap6509
    potap6509 2 March 2021 12: 35
    +6
    Guys, maybe someone has an address for this y_p_y_r_ya, I would gladly send an aspen stake!
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 2 March 2021 12: 40
    -28%
    Long summer to you, Mikhail Sergeevich!
    Happy Birthday! drinks
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 March 2021 12: 54
      +14
      Quote: El Dorado
      Long summer to you, Mikhail Sergeevich!

      preferably in a polar owl
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 March 2021 14: 20
        +3
        You can come to us, to the Black Dolphin.
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 2 March 2021 14: 33
        0
        And even better, yes, a vegetable with him is immortality, so that he can live and suffer ... a person gets tired over time, and the stigma of Judas will not go anywhere! hi
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 53
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        preferably in a polar owl

        I'd rather light a candle in the cathedral.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 March 2021 17: 48
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I'd rather light a candle in the cathedral.

          will break, I can spit on the grave
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 March 2021 17: 59
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            will break, I can spit on the grave

            Maybe you are right, infidels are not buried in the cemetery.
    2. Berber
      Berber 2 March 2021 14: 44
      +3
      Quote: El Dorado
      Long summer to you, Mikhail Sergeevich!
      Happy Birthday!

      Buddy, you probably decided to annoy the people?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 52
      +1
      Quote: El Dorado
      Long summer to you, Mikhail Sergeevich!
      Happy Birthday!

      And you, too, on his birthday. Yes, how many of you "Evon admirers" have divorced.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 March 2021 12: 40
    +1
    I did not specifically read the comments. At least one will be with a health resort? I suspect the majority; And that he is still alive! Now I enjoy it!
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 2 March 2021 13: 08
      +2
      There was one above yours. Interestingly, the counter shows 0, and the balance is + 2 / -7

      How is the calculation done? or is it "other" ...
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 2 March 2021 13: 13
        +4
        Fixed ...
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 00
        +1
        Quote: volodimer
        How is the calculation done? or is it "other" ...

        Go to "new on the site" and open this page on a new one, then you will see everything taken into account.
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 2 March 2021 16: 12
          0
          I just refreshed the page several times ... And therefore, as soon as the calculation became adequate, I made the second screen. 5 minutes was mathematical nonsense. Perhaps my remark attracted the attention of the admins (three medals on my lapel). Or maybe it was just the machinations of the NSA-CIA. fellow
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 55
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      At least one will be with a health resort?

      There is one higher, one admirer of minus.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 2 March 2021 16: 21
        0
        When I read this elde_rado I didn’t even know what to say, but when I saw the vote count +1 ... Zero it happened with mine. I just went nuts. like +2 -7 can give 0. But now he has +3 votes. Those. four drantanyans are present here. negative
  • ccsr
    ccsr 2 March 2021 12: 41
    +8
    How can one believe in the supreme justice, if this ghoul lived to be 90 years old, and many of the most honest people who created our country at its various stages did not live up to half of this period.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 14: 50
      +2
      Where is COVID looking?
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 2 March 2021 16: 30
        +1
        Even the virus does not pay attention to such rubbish. Americans believe in "zombies" - corpses, but walking ones.
        Here's an example that this might be true: "hump" is a corpse, smelly.
  • Kamchatsky
    Kamchatsky 2 March 2021 12: 43
    +11
    Why is that so? Why do people a hundred times more worthy to live leave too early? Why does Judas, who sold and betrayed their country, still smoke the sky? ..
    1. Berber
      Berber 2 March 2021 14: 53
      +5
      The Gorbachev Center occupies an entire block in Moscow. It is interesting to know - who pays?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 02
        +2
        Quote: BerBer
        The Gorbachev Center occupies an entire block in Moscow. It is interesting to know - who pays?

        Gorbachev funds from different countries, the Triple Commission and a bunch of people who hate Russia.
        1. Berber
          Berber 2 March 2021 16: 04
          0
          Surprises immensely ..... !!!
  • zloybond
    zloybond 2 March 2021 12: 44
    +12
    Judas in one word. And it is necessary to judge for treason to the Motherland, not congratulate.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 04
      +1
      Quote: zloybond
      Judas in one word. And it is necessary to judge for treason to the Motherland, not congratulate.

      Judas betrayed only Jesus, and this one the whole country. Until there was such a woodpecker in the world.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 2 March 2021 12: 49
    +7
    When will the obituary be released about him? 90 years ... How many people because of his activities did not live up to this age ...
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 2 March 2021 14: 35
      +1
      There will be no obituaries, just a few lines in history textbooks, and complete oblivion and contempt. hi
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 2 March 2021 12: 50
    +6
    The marked aphid is still alive.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 March 2021 12: 52
    +19
    the most optimal gift for this Mr.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 10
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      the most optimal gift for this year.

      I will not offend. But ...
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 2 March 2021 12: 53
    +8
    With Putin, all the people are out of step, except for himself! That will congratulate the traitor Gorbachev; then the drunk EBN will honor ... then another Yeltsin Center will bless! It's disgusting to hear that!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 March 2021 14: 23
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      With Putin, all the people are out of step, except for himself! That will congratulate the traitor Gorbachev; then the drunk EBN will honor ... then another Yeltsin Center will bless! It's disgusting to hear that!

      He wants to please everyone ..
    2. Berber
      Berber 2 March 2021 14: 54
      +1
      Here I agree with you - I don’t understand.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Oh, one more Yeltsin Center will bless!

      What do you think "Gorbachev Memorial" will be created?
      Everything is interesting. One World War II won, the Mausoleum was removed, the other was destroyed by Memorial, and now the third one who betrayed the country is also Memorial. Something will be a lot for one country.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 2 March 2021 12: 58
    +7
    In his congratulatory telegram, Vladimir Putin referred Gorbachev to "a galaxy of bright and extraordinary personalities, outstanding statesmen of our time who have had a significant impact on the course of national and world history."

    This political mold of the CPSU has nothing to do with outstanding statesmen - here the VVP is in vain making a curtsey to him, but this is his own business. Now, if this marked figure were really a successful reformer, and not a talkative political prostitute who broke the country to pieces and ditched hundreds of thousands in the country directly and indirectly, then yes, it would be possible to call him that. He can be called a great destroyer, but not a builder in any way, but as you know: to break is not to build. Yes, and had a negative impact on the course of world history. This is for the FSA and the West, he is a statesman, but for me a state criminal and he should not be paid a pension, which he did not earn, but a life sentence. hi
  • Dikson
    Dikson 2 March 2021 12: 58
    +15
    Burn in hell, traitor ... How many people he killed, how much destruction and pain he caused ..
  • avia12005
    avia12005 2 March 2021 12: 58
    +10
    To put on Red Square a rubber doll in the shape of Gorbachev with a built-in counter of the number of blows that Russians grateful for gaining freedom will inflict on him. I think the meter will go off scale very quickly.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 13: 33
      +7
      Quote: avia12005
      counter goes off scale

      Will break on the first day.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 2 March 2021 13: 02
    +8
    Let's start with the fact that Gorbachev took away from the citizens of the USSR for several years before perestroika (6 years of investments of the giant country practically zeroed out (and after all, only 16-18% of expenses were spent on the population)), what he stole from the citizens of the CMEA countries, what the citizens lost during the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact.
    And this is for freedom ... from what ??? From the insanity of the party nomenclature? And why is EP better?
    We got the freedom to get out of the Russian Federation - this is the only freedom that actually appeared.
    And I don't want to thank something for that, given the losses.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 2 March 2021 14: 05
      +1
      Where to blame, to the rainbows or what, in the geyrop?
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 2 March 2021 14: 28
        -1
        Quote: Ros 56
        Where to throw

        the longer the Russian Federation has existed, the more this issue is transformed into "how next."
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 2 March 2021 14: 31
          0
          Well, wali, what, is anyone holding it? And further away, is it to Antarctica or Australia?
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 2 March 2021 14: 46
            0
            I want to change the country, not run away. This freedom of Gorbachev is unnecessary for me.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 2 March 2021 15: 15
              -2
              Hitler also wanted to change the USSR, he had to change himself to death.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 2 March 2021 15: 19
                +1
                how did I become connected in your imagination with Hitler?
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 2 March 2021 15: 26
                  +1
                  None, he just had a lot more opportunities, but it was not there. To change something, you need to know a lot and have your supporters, like Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. I changed the country, and you are just balabolki.
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 2 March 2021 15: 35
                    -2
                    Quote: Ros 56
                    I changed the country, and you are just balabolki.

                    you are a balabolka with your hasty conclusions.
                    I'm not going to change everything alone, but what I can do.
                    to get a drunkard out of a snowdrift on January 1, to force a neighbor to clean up after his dog, to choose a sane district deputy.
                    As for Lenin, much has changed even before his active inclusion.
                    I'll just remind you that in the Revolutionary Military Council of 18 the Bolshevik Party was not even in the top three factions.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: yehat2
                      force a neighbor to clean up after his dog, choose a sane district deputy.

                      The first is real and the second is not.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 18
            0
            Quote: Ros 56
            And further away, is it to Antarctica or Australia?

            To Guinea Papua.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 March 2021 13: 18
    +3
    Putin congratulated Gorbachev
    "You rightfully belong to the galaxy of bright, extraordinary people, outstanding statesmen of our time, who have had a significant impact on the course of national and world history."
    Well, how it relates.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 March 2021 13: 19
    +10
    An insignificant empty worthless illiterate weak-willed person, falling apart EVERYTHING what it touches: country, economy, army, finance.

    Including because of him,tens of millions of Russian people woke up on a terrible December morning in 1991 ABROAD, outside the Motherland, outside their people, in often already unfriendly states ...

    No mercy.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 2 March 2021 13: 52
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      An insignificant empty worthless illiterate weak-willed person, falling apart EVERYTHING what it touches: country, economy, army, finance.

      Including because of him,tens of millions of Russian people woke up on a terrible December morning in 1991 ABROAD, outside the Motherland, outside their people, in often already unfriendly states ...

      No mercy.

      Olgovich, it turns out that you and I may have COMPLETELY coinciding opinions. I am surprised - after all, you are against everything Soviet, which means for the destruction of the USSR and the Sov. authorities. And how is this to be understood?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 2 March 2021 14: 36
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Olgovich, it turns out that you and I may have COMPLETELY coinciding opinions.

        and not the first time, yes.
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        I am surprised - after all, you are against everything Soviet, which means for the destruction of the USSR and the Sov. authorities. And how is this to be understood?

        COUNTRY CANNOT be destroyed and destroy, independently from the form of power and and for no reason!

        This is sacred, this is the Fatherland, this is the basis of everything.

        A country can be reformed, improved, redirected, etc., but destroyed-must not!
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 2 March 2021 15: 21
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich

          THE COUNTRY CANNOT be destroyed and destroyed, regardless of the form of power and and for no reason!

          So the Bolsheviks did not destroy it. And they even returned the lost RI.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 2 March 2021 15: 34
            0
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            So.

            we're talking about 1991
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 2 March 2021 16: 02
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              we're talking about 1991

              They were not Bolsheviks or even communists.
              Their name is renegades.
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 2 March 2021 14: 44
        +3
        Previously there was the Russian Empire, later the USSR, now a kind of paper CIS, fragments of the Great State that our ancestors collected for centuries. And all this legacy was able to destroy, hardly by accident, one or several people ... But nevertheless, true patriots Russia is caring for its power and strength, be it the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR hi And biting among themselves is only to the delight of the "partners" who skillfully use the simple truth "divide and conquer" hi
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 2 March 2021 15: 06
          +2
          Quote: VORON538
          .But nevertheless, true patriots of Russia are caring for her power and strength, be it the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR

          exactly! hi
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 2 March 2021 15: 09
            +3
            Glad you understand me! hi
      3. tatra
        tatra 2 March 2021 15: 17
        0
        And this is the essence of the enemies of the communists. They are united in their anger and hatred AGAINST everything Soviet, and when there is no benefit, they betray each other, as they have already betrayed Gorbachev and Yeltsin, tossed them to us, supporters of the real, according to convictions, communists "and they are not ours, they are your communists" ...
    2. depressant
      depressant 2 March 2021 13: 52
      +8
      Including because of him, tens of millions of Russian people woke up on an eerie December morning in 1991 ABROAD, outside their homeland, outside their people, in, often already unfriendly to them states ...

      No mercy.


      Dear Andrey, I support you!
      They woke up as strangers, unnecessary, were robbed, torn apart, humiliated and insulted. There is no forgiveness to the accursed Judas Gorbachev! Burn in hell!
      1. alexey alexeyev_2
        alexey alexeyev_2 2 March 2021 14: 12
        +1
        Yes, they even disdain the devils. How long did he live ...
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 2 March 2021 14: 25
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        They woke up as strangers, unnecessary, were robbed, torn apart, humiliated and insulted.

        I remembered for all my life the frosty, cold morning of December 27, 1991 and that terrible, terrible feeling of emptiness, resentment, hatred, when we heard on TV about the dissolution of the country: “What, WHAT have you done ?! Who needs us now, here, abroad?

        There are no words ....
        1. depressant
          depressant 2 March 2021 14: 33
          +5
          It's the same, Andrey, it's the same ...
          First, confusion, fear, and then also war, and flight to where they tell you that you are a non-citizen and therefore illegal. And all life plans, all perspectives are sideways, life is turned upside down. And only one thing remains - how to break through this bottom and break out to the top - to where you are a person, and not an illegal zero. And the whole world is a foreign land for you. Not because you decided so and it became a state of your soul. But because a bunch of scoundrels decided so for you, who simply reset you to zero.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 2 March 2021 15: 03
            +5
            Quote: depressant
            And all life plans, all perspectives are sideways, life is turned upside down.

            But we were still young ..

            And who when he remembered the millions of abandoned Russian old people in the nat. republics?

            And their fate is literally SCARY. If in the 1990s, old people were not needed in Russia, then who needed them there, on the outskirts?

            They were forgotten - without help, accumulated money, beggars, powerless, speechless, hungry, offended by everyone, driven out, unable to return to their homeland and forgotten by it.

            And they ... left: early and bitter.

            And let it hang on the conscience of this too old man always
            1. depressant
              depressant 2 March 2021 16: 01
              +6
              Andrei, just one amendment: Gorbachev and others like him have no conscience.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 29
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              And their fate is literally SCARY. If in the 1990s, old people were not needed in Russia, then who needed them there, on the outskirts?

              Yes, not everywhere, in some places the national republics were not left without a pension and without medicine, and they were not kicked out of apartments and republics.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 16: 22
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      tens of millions of Russian people woke up on an eerie December morning in 1991 ABROAD, outside their homeland, outside their people

      I personally woke up on August 20, 1991 in this state.
  • Amur
    Amur 2 March 2021 13: 21
    +8
    A true folk hero would live in his homeland.
    All he did was to destroy a great power. More people died from the consequences of his activities than in the 2nd world.
    Traitor.
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 2 March 2021 13: 32
    0
    Arranged a parade of sovereignties, as a result of which many lands went to the union republics, with what congratulations?
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 2 March 2021 13: 34
    +6
    Gorbachev is a traitor to the Motherland, a traitor to the Soviet people! On his trial! There is no excuse or forgiveness for him. Only popular contempt. Judas number 2.
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 2 March 2021 13: 36
    +4
    The congratulations and statements of the current elites about Gorbachev, their positive assessment of his actions, show how much they misunderstand the people, who are rude but objective in their assessments!
  • cheburator
    cheburator 2 March 2021 13: 39
    +2
    Liberals need freedom, but we need a strong state! Tagged geek for a stake!
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 2 March 2021 13: 42
    -4
    Well done Putin, it's good if he gives the hero of the Russian Federation to the hero of the day, a saber and a street in Moscow named after Gorbachev))
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 2 March 2021 13: 46
    +5
    The best monument for his grave will be an aspen stake. There is nothing more to say.
  • Practik2012
    Practik2012 2 March 2021 13: 48
    +4

    Somehow on YouTube knocked out in the recommendation
  • Constanty
    Constanty 2 March 2021 13: 49
    -2
    If Gorbachev was the only problem, his overthrow and transfer to another secretary general would fix everything. After all, the state still existed, still had a huge, powerful army, huge resources and opportunities.
    The problem, however, was that no one else wanted to defend the existence of this state. Neither the army, nor the soldiers who swore to defend the USSR, nor the citizens themselves.

    And I understand Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Udkyks ... - They did not want to live in the USSR - they often went there against their will and wanted to regain their independence. But even the Russians did not defend the USSR after the overthrow of Gorbachev.

    Even assuming that Gorbachev contributed to the collapse of the USSR, He did not decide to dissolve the state,
    So, if Gorbachev was a tragedy for the USSR, then Yeltsin was a real tragedy for Russia.
    It was Yeltsin and other "activists" who liquidated and "privatized" the USSR, and then brought Russia to the brink of the abyss.
    1. tatra
      tatra 2 March 2021 15: 22
      0
      Cowardly stupidity. And if now Putin wants to act like Gorbachev - to give freedom to the separatists, to those who want to change both the power and the socio-economic System, who can stop him?
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 2 March 2021 15: 39
        -1
        if now Putin wants to act like Gorbachev - to give freedom to the separatists


        If he wants, he will do it, and no one will lift a finger.
        but I want to remind you that Gorbachev did not sign the Belovezhskaya Agreements.

        On August 24, 1991, the declaration of independence was adopted by the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, and on August 25, 1991 - by the Supreme Soviet of the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic. Boris Yeltsin, led an informal fight with Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev for the Kremlin, seeking to destroy the dying Soviet Union. Since Yeltsin could not formally remove the incumbent president, he decided to abolish the state he led.

        Unable to reach an agreement with Gorbachev and the central government of the USSR, the leaders of the Slavic states of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine (the three most important union republics) met on December 7-8, 1991 in a hunting lodge in Viskul. The meeting discussed issues of gas and oil supplies to Belarus and Ukraine. However, it soon became clear that economic issues had become secondary, and the most important were political issues. Yeltsin said that he could not do anything about the supply of raw materials, because Gorbachev formally decides everything.

        The concluded treaty proclaimed that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a subject of international law and geopolitical existence ceased to exist, and in its place sovereign states would form the Commonwealth of Independent States.
        1. tatra
          tatra 2 March 2021 15: 42
          0
          So what ? And if now the so-called liberals want to sign a decree on the dismemberment of Russia, and Putin will allow them to dismember Russia, who will be responsible for the dismemberment of Russia?
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 2 March 2021 15: 50
            -1
            And the traitors who will do it will be responsible for the dismemberment of Russia. The leader will only be guilty of something else - inefficiency and failure to fulfill obligations. Also, a crime of a different kind is a confession of a crime, and not the crime itself

            What is important, according to the current legislation, the Belovezhskaya agreement was illegal. Gorbachev protested: "The fate of a multinational state cannot be decided by three republics"but to no avail.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 2 March 2021 13: 51
    +2
    ..... outstanding statesmen of our time who have had a significant impact on the course of national and world history. "

    In the opinion of the vast majority of the people, calling things by their proper names without any politeness, Gorbachev - LITTLE MEDIUMNESS, by chance, ended up in power aboutthunderous country and as a result which had a monstrously tragic impact on the course of the national and world history!
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 2 March 2021 13: 52
    +3
    Gorbachev gave Russia freedom

  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 2 March 2021 13: 59
    +5
    Done with Stalinism
    With all the questions that are to Stalin, he was a creator and is the complete opposite of Gorbachev, under whom the state was destroyed. No matter how they scolded Stalin, he did not cause the people and the country, and one hundredth of the troubles and misfortunes that the hunchback brought.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 March 2021 14: 01
    +3
    Freedom to grind with your tongue and betray your country freely, this is not freedom, this is empty flaws and betrayal. And the attitude to them is the same, Judas call this scum with a spotted bald head.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 2 March 2021 14: 08
    +8
    The worst ruler of the country since Rurik. He surpassed both False Dmitrys in this, and Peter III, and Nicholas II, and even Khrushchev!
    Outstanding villain (or idiot?)
  • alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 2 March 2021 14: 09
    +4
    Dear mikhal sergeich. Yes, when you die .. Judas is not good for you to hold a candle .. Do mercy-zdokhni. It is unbearable to know that you walk with me on the same land.
  • Efiop
    Efiop 2 March 2021 14: 21
    +2
    I wonder who dies before: he or Soros ...
  • certero
    certero 2 March 2021 14: 23
    +3
    Everything is absolutely unambiguous. We compare the development of China and Russia. In China, they were able to prevent their Gorbachev from coming to power, but to carry out economic reforms without changing the political structure. The result is a powerful country in which the inhabitants are getting better and better. in Russia there are undoubtedly many changes for the better, but I am sure that living in the reformed Soviet Union would still be better for most people.
  • iouris
    iouris 2 March 2021 14: 27
    0
    Gorby the Liberator is the best German of all times and peoples.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 2 March 2021 14: 30
    +4
    Of course the collapse of the Union without the betrayal of the "elites" was impossible so that Judas was complete, but this does not in the least justify this monster.
  • anjey
    anjey 2 March 2021 14: 42
    0
    The tagged ghoul lives and lives happily, apparently there really is no God, since only the Devil rules the ball and gives his henchmen such as Gorby, to live on earth and not be afraid of retribution for their sins.
  • Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 2 March 2021 14: 43
    +2
    Grigory Danelli's creative life ended 2 years ago. At the age of 88, the director passed away, so dear to our hearts ...

    Contrasts ...

    Monument to Danelia on Novodevichy is always in flowers ...

    Once again, Gorbachev's grave has been desecrated ...
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 2 March 2021 14: 46
    +1
    Well, yes .. to such liberals as Putin, he gave a lot of things ..