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Consequences of the loss of transit for Belarus: Lithuania is going to pump LNG from the port of Klaipeda to Poland

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After the decision of the official Minsk to refuse to use Lithuanian ports for transshipment of goods, the Lithuanian authorities are looking for at least some opportunity to make up for the significant losses that Vilnius will face as a result of the Belarusian decision. It should be reminded that the authorities of the Republic of Belarus are redirecting cargo flows to the Russian port of Ust-Luga. At the moment, a discussion of logistics nuances and basic tariffs is underway between Moscow and Minsk.


Meanwhile, Lithuania is trying to compensate for the losses through contracts with neighboring Poland.

According to the Reuters news agency, the Lithuanians are going to use the port of Klaipeda, which has already lost a significant part of the transshipment of goods from Belarus and for Belarus, in order to pump gas from there to the aforementioned Poland.

The general director of the Lithuanian state energy company "Ignitis Group" says that they intend to supply liquefied natural gas to Poland, "for which it is necessary to put into operation a gas pipeline between the two countries." We are talking about the GIPL gas pipeline, which is planned to be completed by the beginning of 2022.

Darius Maikštenas, CEO of Ignitis Group:

When the GIPL pipeline is ready, we look forward to the start of LNG exports to Poland. We have a similar experience in pumping gas to Finland.

But the whole problem for Lithuania is that Poland itself imports liquefied natural gas - primarily from the United States. In particular, there is a large LNG terminal in the Polish Swinoujscie (Swinoujscie).



In this regard, the situation looks strange. Both Lithuania and Poland position themselves as active buyers of LNG from the United States, and at the same time Lithuania intends to pump the purchased LNG to Poland, which itself contracts American (and not only) liquefied natural gas. If it is mainly American gas that is planned to be pumped, it looks like an amazingly beneficial American energy project and a demonstration of the complete dependence of Vilnius and Warsaw on Washington. Judge for yourself: the USA will sell LNG to Lithuania and Poland, and they will pump it to each other, diluting it and spending a lot of money on it ... These are the consequences of the loss of transit for Belarus. And what they are not ready to do just to demonstrate that the port of Klaipeda has a future ...

By the way, Vilnius offers to pump gas in the direction of Ukraine. But Lithuania and Ukraine do not have a common border. The logistic approach is interesting in this case. If we pump gas through Poland, it’s hard to imagine how much it will cost Ukrainian consumers in the end, if Lithuania itself buys it from the United States at about 34% more expensive than gas from Russia.
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  1. Destiny
    Destiny 2 March 2021 09: 47
    +22
    Poland itself imports liquefied natural gas - primarily from the United States. In particular, there is a large LNG terminal in Poland's Swinoujscie (Swinoujscie), which makes the situation strange.

    Indeed ... They were fussing, if only the non-brothers could cover the transit, that they would then sing, I wonder ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 2 March 2021 09: 52
      +21
      Quote: Destiny
      Poland itself imports liquefied natural gas - primarily from the United States. In particular, there is a large LNG terminal in Poland's Swinoujscie (Swinoujscie), which makes the situation strange.

      Indeed ... They were fussing, if only the non-brothers could cover the transit, that they would then sing, I wonder ...

      And the Lithuanians haven’t thought of "transiting" bananas to Ecuador or Vietnam yet? Level 80 logistics ...
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 2 March 2021 10: 16
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And the Lithuanians haven’t thought of "transiting" bananas to Ecuador or Vietnam yet? Level 80 logistics ...

        in fact, the project shows a direct interest of the Polish side, given that the Polish gas operator participates in it, and Lithuania plans to invest only 136 million out of the 500 planned.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 2 March 2021 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          in fact, the project shows a direct interest of the Polish side

          So whoever pays is the one who orders - from Poland to Lithuania it will be possible to pump 2,51 billion cubic meters per year, and back - 1,95 billion cubic meters, plus the tariff for pumping - it from Lithuania to Poland is 54% higher than in reverse direction ... so where is the main, and where is the reverse.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 2 March 2021 12: 51
            +2
            I'm a little about something else.
            about the seeming absurdity of the project for the supply of lng to Poland via Lithuania
            but thanks anyway for sharing your thoughts.
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 2 March 2021 13: 23
              0
              Quote: Flood
              about the seeming absurdity of the project for the supply of lng to Poland via Lithuania

              So it looks like this is not supposed to be. The Poles swung at all three "tigers" plus the Finns (the bridge between Estonia and Finland has been operating for more than a year), and the Lithuanians will add their own. Russian gas is "not democratic", Estonian oil shale, in the light of the latest trends, it is not very environmentally friendly, it is necessary to replace it with something, they want to build a nuclear power plant (but when will it be and whether it will be at all). So under the guise of protecting democracy and the environment ... the question is where the Poles will get gas, to provide for their loved ones, but not to forget about the EU environmental requirements (with their coal generation), and then there is also the "tigers" to "warm up" (or heat up) ...
              1. krot
                krot 2 March 2021 17: 07
                +7
                So a couple of times they will supply each other with gas .. and then along the chain, all, twice liquefied and three times liquefied, natural gas should go exactly to the Sumerians! It will be imbued with the spirit of freedom and crap .. laughing
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 2 March 2021 18: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: krot
                  It will be imbued with the spirit of freedom and crap

                  "At whose expense is this banquet?" ... and then all sorts of "plums" appear
                  So, Vitrenko, planned and pushed from the OP to the ministers, promises:
                  increase gas tariffs by one and a half times; to double heating tariffs; Electricity tariffs should be doubled. https://regnum.ru/news/economy/3189231.html
            2. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 2 March 2021 15: 49
              +3
              Hello to you! Lithuanians are going to pump Amergaz to Poles, who are going to pump Amergaz themselves to Lithuania! How the matter will end is unclear, but it looks like the absence of Russian and Belarusian transit + the proximity of the end of SP-2 very affects the mental abilities of the authorities of both Lithuanians and Poles! laughing
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 2 March 2021 15: 57
                0
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Hello to you!

                hi
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                It is unclear how the matter will end, but it seems that the absence of Russian and Belarusian transit + the proximity of the end of the SP-2 greatly affects the mental abilities of the authorities, both Lithuanians and Poles!

                do you think they just have nowhere to do with half a billion? hardly. there is some kind of long-term American interest
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 2 March 2021 16: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Flood
                  do you think they just have nowhere to do with half a billion? hardly. there is some kind of long-term American interest

                  I probably think somehow differently than you do with the Poles and Lithuanians, but in no way I don’t understand what and who has the benefit here. Both the Poles and the Lithuanians have his receiving point of American LNG. What is the point and whose benefit (Poles or Lithuanians) drive gas back and forth or in a circle?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 2 March 2021 16: 57
                    -1
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    What is the point and whose benefit (Poles or Lithuanians) drive gas back and forth or in a circle?

                    expect that in the near future GIPL will allow to establish supplies to Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland, where Poland will be able to promote the liquefied natural gas (LNG) it purchases from Norway. In turn, Lithuania expects that it itself will be able to supply blue fuel to Poland and other EU countries from its LNG terminal in Klaipeda. That is, the geopolitical context can be traced here: the GIPL is being built with the expectation that the gas markets of the Baltic countries will become part of the single market of the European Union.

                    from here: https://www.ritmeurasia.org/news--2020-07-03--gazoprovod-gipl-hitrye-plany-polshi-prizrachnye-mechtanija-litvy-49759

                  2. Flooding
                    Flooding 2 March 2021 17: 37
                    -1
                    that is, a kind of response to Nord Stream. and, of course, there is a direct US interest in this.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 2 March 2021 13: 03
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          in fact, the project shows a direct interest of the Polish side, given that the Polish gas operator participates in it, and Lithuania plans to invest only 136 million out of the 500 planned.

          Even if we imagine that they will succeed, and Lithuania will bring the gas pipeline to Ukraine through Poland at its own expense, in order to recoup the investment, they will have to raise the price of gas that comes to their terminal and will be forwarded to Ukrainian networks. As a result, it will be much more expensive than the Russian one, and the Ukrainians are unlikely to want to receive it, given that the "Slovak gas" will be cheaper for them. In general, this is in any case a stillborn project, especially since Ukraine itself can receive liquefied gas from the United States, if it wants - it will cost it cheaper.
          I think that in this case there is an ordinary PR campaign, which has nothing real with an economic justification.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 2 March 2021 13: 12
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            Even if we imagine that they will succeed, and Lithuania will bring the gas pipeline to Ukraine

            there can be no supplies to Ukraine from this pipe, this is obvious
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 2 March 2021 10: 50
        +7
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: Destiny
        Poland itself imports liquefied natural gas - primarily from the United States. In particular, there is a large LNG terminal in Poland's Swinoujscie (Swinoujscie), which makes the situation strange.

        Indeed ... They were fussing, if only the non-brothers could cover the transit, that they would then sing, I wonder ...

        And the Lithuanians haven’t thought of "transiting" bananas to Ecuador or Vietnam yet? Level 80 logistics ...

        All these Baltushkas, without Russia, will eventually take their true historical place - this is a peasant-agrarian territory.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 11: 32
          +9
          This will be a lesson for us in the future. Several generations ahead. Do not finance and develop "fraternal peoples" but think about your people, first of all.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 2 March 2021 16: 22
            +6
            Now, with the declassification of archives during the Second World War, about the atrocities of representatives of these
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            "fraternal peoples"
            such facts are voiced ...
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 16: 40
              +1
              It's time.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 March 2021 13: 21
          +5
          Quote: Terenin
          All these Baltushkas, without Russia, will eventually take their true historical place - this is a peasant-agrarian territory.

          Before World War II, Lithuania, as the Lithuanians themselves believe, was an industrially developed country. During the census of industrial enterprises, they then discovered a myriad of industries. Because they considered an "industrial enterprise" an enterprise where the labor of two or more hired workers is used and the farm has a boat motor ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 2 March 2021 16: 19
            +7
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Because they considered an "industrial enterprise" an enterprise where the labor of two or more hired workers is used and the farm has a boat motor ...

            laughing Igor, now I understand from what inheritance they even have sprats am
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 2 March 2021 21: 12
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A

            Before World War II Lithuania ...
            Lithuania 1939-50g
            Let Lithuania decommunized finally... yes
        3. VORON538
          VORON538 3 March 2021 01: 20
          -1
          With blackjack and ... prostitutes :)))
    2. Maz
      Maz 2 March 2021 09: 54
      +1
      Sho is called: I'll shoot myself in the leg - if only the neighbor was bad ...
    3. frruc
      frruc 2 March 2021 10: 03
      +4
      It seems that the last sucker in this gas cycle in nature will remain good Lithuania.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 2 March 2021 14: 41
        +2
        "If you want to ruin a small country - give it a cruiser." So, it seems, said Sir W. Churchill.
        In the current reality ... Present her a terminal for receiving lng from the USA.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 3 March 2021 12: 02
      0
      Quote: Destiny
      Indeed ... They were fussing, if only the non-brothers could cover the transit, that they would then sing, I wonder ...

      They will sing interesting songs if not to block the transit, but to raise the prices for it!
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 2 March 2021 09: 48
    -5
    there is an op yanzar ezhot akdov
    he is such a friendly Internet-vodka is also different in price.
  3. prior
    prior 2 March 2021 09: 54
    +3
    And why are you in Klaipeda, American liquefied gas will be lucky if it is in Japan and Asia
    as much as $ 1000 ?!
    Is that the Russian will be outbid ...
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 March 2021 09: 57
    +4
    Is the gas really American? And not the LNG overbought from Yamal? Or is it something else? Some questions, I apologize! hi
    1. frruc
      frruc 2 March 2021 10: 10
      +3
      The gas may be Qatari in origin, but after being pumped into a gas carrier, it is already, as it were, American.
      1. credo
        credo 2 March 2021 10: 44
        +2
        Quote: frruc
        The gas may be Qatari in origin, but after being pumped into a gas carrier, it is already, as it were, American.

        No, Berlin and Brussels may turn out to be the last suckers in this multi-move, if they agree to finance useless projects of Lithuanians and Poles.

        Eh, the experience of the USSR does not teach Western Europeans anything. Moscow also hoped to bring the impoverished outskirts into a civilized form, pumping in colossal funds and building various technological enterprises, but it did not achieve anything.
        Berlin and Brussels are making the same mistake.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 11: 35
          +3
          Credo, I agree with you. Ukraine was a country of steppes and slaves. Why was it necessary to kill a bunch of resources and funds? Several generations of slaves were raised and paid for. You can't break the mentality. Servants of all masters, for our money.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 2 March 2021 12: 32
            +5
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Credo, I agree with you. Ukraine was a country of steppes and slaves. Why was it necessary to kill a bunch of resources and funds?

            "Thanks" to Lenin for his wacky idea of ​​dividing the country into national apartments. There were provinces in the Russian Empire - Kiev, Yekaterinoslav, Poltava, Tavricheskaya, Chernigov, Kharkov ... let it stay that way, and there would be no Ukraine.
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 12: 35
              +6
              Yeah .. Thanks to Ilyich. ) We must pay tribute to the communists, they managed to bring out a new nationality, "Ukrainian" Although, they have always been "Little Russians" and there was nothing wrong with that. Synthetic country and synthetic nation.
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 2 March 2021 21: 18
            0
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Credo, I agree with you. Ukraine was a land of steppes ...
            Ukraine was not country of the steppes - STEPPES were on the lands of the Crimean Khanate. Later became New Russia... And only in the times of the USSR the "steppes" were included in the Ukrainian SSR.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 11: 52
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Is the gas really American? And not the LNG overbought from Yamal? Or is it something else? Some questions, I apologize!

      More likely to be YES.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 March 2021 13: 33
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Is the gas really American?

      In the same way as Russian and Donetsk coal for the Sumerians became Pennsylvania and South African. laughing
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 March 2021 10: 00
    +2
    After the decision of the official Minsk to refuse to use Lithuanian ports for transshipment of goods, the Lithuanian authorities are looking for at least some opportunity to make up for the significant losses that Vilnius will face as a result of the Belarusian decision.

    so far, it is assumed that Belarus will refuse only from transshipment of oil products in Klaipeda.

    And this insignificant part of the Belarusian cargo sent through the port, the lion's share is Belarusian potash fertilizers.

    And so far there is no refusal from this, but there is no alternative - the corresponding terminal in Ust-Luga is just being built.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 2 March 2021 11: 19
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      shipped through the port, the lion's share is Belarusian potash fertilizers.

      You are lagging behind life, today Lithuania is doing everything so that “Belaruskali” would stay in Klaipeda, but will this “all” be enough? "Belaruskali" is expected in Ust Luga, St. Petersburg, Primorsk. Russian Railways and Russia will do their best to reorient cargo from Lithuania to Russian ports.
      No sooner had Belarus and Russia stun Lithuania by reorienting oil products from the Klaipeda port to our Ust-Luga, than a new attack for Vilnius: a terminal for transshipment of mineral fertilizers was put into operation in Ust-Luga. A kind of hello to the port of Klaipeda, where about 30% of the transshipment is carried out by "Belaruskali".
      This project has been implemented since 2018 by Ultramar, which provides a full range of services in the field of cargo transportation and logistics of mineral fertilizers from the ports of St. Petersburg and Ust-Luga around the world, together with the Federal State Unitary Enterprise (FSUE) Rosmorport. This February, the terminal will reach a capacity of 5 million tons. Reaching full capacity of 12 million tonnes is planned for the end of 2021.

      Port Director Algis Latakas:
      "This will have a very negative impact on the port, since this part of the cargo is very large, and Belaruskali's cargoes go through the Klaipeda port in large volumes, so in the economic sense it will actually be a very large loss."

      Deputy General Director of Russian Railways Alexey Shilo. -
      We evaluated the railway component, I can say that taking into account the tariff for Belarus, the tariff for Russian Railways, discounts for the transportation of different nomenclature groups, it turns out that we already have comparable conditions on the railway. " He also recalled that 50 percent discount on the transshipment of oil products from Belarus to Russian ports, which Russian Railways introduced in 2017 and which, it turns out, is valid until the end of 2025.
      It would be natural to assume that in case of reorientation of Belarusian potash fertilizers from Klaipeda to Ust-Luga, Minsk would receive similar discounts.

      in November 2020, the State Duma of the Russian Federation approved a bill that removes restrictions on the storage of mineral fertilizers in ports.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 2 March 2021 11: 43
        +2
        Quote: Serg Koma
        You are lagging behind life, today Lithuania is doing everything to ensure that "Belaruskali" remains in Klaipeda, but is this "all" enough?
        in Ust-Luga a terminal for transshipment of mineral fertilizers.

        hi just behind: just THREE days ago there was an interesting article on Aftershock about the Klaipeda port: https: //aftershock.news/? q = node / 952402 and it was not there.

        And this is how quickly and in a wonderful way the situation in Russia is changing!

        Let's hope that Belarusian fertilizers will also go through Ust-Luga
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 2 March 2021 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      And so far there is no refusal, but there is no alternative-the corresponding terminal in Ust-Luga is under construction.

      ===
      terminals have been in operation for a long time, but volumes will increase - yes. https://lv.sputniknews.ru/Russia/20200630/13977881/Perevalka-udobreniy-cherez-odno-okno-v-Lenoblasti-protiv-novykh-terminalov-.html
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 March 2021 13: 39
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      so far, it is assumed that Belarus will refuse only from transshipment of oil products in Klaipeda.

      And this is an insignificant part of the Belarusian cargo sent through the port, the lion's share is Belarusian potash fertilizers.

      And so far there is no refusal from this, but there is no alternative - the corresponding terminal in Ust-Luga is just being built.

      So the Chukhonts will razdrakonit their railways to the end and how will they deliver the goods to the ports? For them, the Soviet track is not in the suit, give the European one. And the terminal in Ust-Luga is already working. Lagging behind life. hi
  6. V1er
    V1er 2 March 2021 10: 02
    +2
    They will buy Russian LNG and pretend that everything is fine. wink
    1. Moore
      Moore 2 March 2021 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: V1er
      They will buy Russian LNG and pretend that everything is fine. wink

      They are already buying. At Novatek. They only modestly keep silent, as well as about the price of American gas.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 2 March 2021 10: 02
    +9
    I just envy the Americans, so bend your partners! To cut the branch on which you sit and run even ahead. How all these countries lived under the USSR and the CMEA, this is incomprehensible to the mind.
  8. Tagan
    Tagan 2 March 2021 10: 05
    +8
    Well, great. Let them now go about their wonderful projects, free from Russian influence.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 March 2021 10: 06
    +5
    The USA will sell LNG to Lithuania and Poland, and they will pump it to each other, diluting it and spending a lot of money on it ...
    However paradoxical and ridiculous this situation looks, but these two countries theoretically can "spite the grandmother's ears to freeze." What economic strategists are sitting in Lithuania is incomprehensible. And the funny thing is that the "American" LNG for export is partially Russian. The Americans earn on it in excess of covering the purchase costs of $ 100 per 1000 cubic meters. In the United States, about 680 million cubic meters of gas are produced per year, the US demand is more than 700 million cubic meters, and at the same time they are still exported. The question is whose?
  10. svoit
    svoit 2 March 2021 10: 12
    +3
    Lithuania itself buys it from the United States for about 34% more expensive than gas from Russia
    but this is not the order, it is urgent to increase at least 30%
  11. Mezabralis
    Mezabralis 2 March 2021 10: 14
    -5
    You greatly overestimate the role of transit in the economies of the Baltic States.
    There was almost no transit through Estonia for a long time, but the country is flourishing.
    In fact, the migration of people is already positive.
    The average salary in Estonia is over 1500 euros, compare with the salary in Russia.
    I can tell you that in Latvia, for example, the export of the IT sector already 8 years ago exceeded all revenues from transit. I can only smile at your excitement about transit and gas.
    For those who believe that the Baltic states live on EU money, I can say that they make up about 3% of GDP. A little more than we spend on the army
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 10: 33
      +7
      Quote: Mezabralis
      There was almost no transit through Estonia for a long time, but the country is flourishing.

      Gee, gee, gee !!! Well, you are an artist.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 11: 38
        +3
        Fantastic, however.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 10: 34
      +5
      Quote: Mezabralis
      The average salary in Estonia exceeds 1500 euros

      From such a message from my neighbor, a farmer, all the horses neigh.
      1. Mezabralis
        Mezabralis 2 March 2021 10: 52
        -4
        Yes, it's true, I was wrong that the average salary is 1500 euros, that's right, 1474 euros.
        https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-monthly-salary-european-union-2020
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 March 2021 10: 56
          +9
          Quote: Mezabralis
          Yes, it's true, I was wrong that the average salary is 1500 euros, that's right, 1474 euros.

          Now the horses of the second farmer were neighing.
          1. Mezabralis
            Mezabralis 2 March 2021 11: 05
            -10%
            You've probably watched the Kiseleva / Splpviev show and were sure that people in the Baltic had left a long time ago, and the remaining fascists were starving. Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 2 March 2021 11: 34
              +9
              Quote: Mezabralis
              You've probably watched the Kiseleva / Splpviev show and were sure that people in the Baltics left for a long time

              Now my yard dog is laughing. I have been living in Tallinn for 54 years.
              1. Mezabralis
                Mezabralis 2 March 2021 11: 40
                -8
                You don't seem to live in Tallinn, but in the USSR
                Try to leave the house and see what is happening around you.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 2 March 2021 11: 44
                  +11
                  Quote: Mezabralis
                  You don't seem to live in Tallinn, but in the USSR
                  Try to leave the house and see what is happening around you.

                  It is you who live in Ukraine, or in Israel, and I live and work in Tallinn to this day, and since August 20, 1992 already under capitalism, and I see everything every day. But I do not like those who write knowingly from the OBS agency, having never visited Estonia or the Baltic states.
                  1. Mezabralis
                    Mezabralis 2 March 2021 12: 17
                    -8
                    I live in Latvia, do business in all three Baltic countries, so I know the situation.
                    If you are unlucky in life and do not receive a normal salary, this is vasa problema
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 09
                      +5
                      Quote: Mezabralis
                      I live in Latvia, do business in all three Baltic countries, so I know the situation.

                      If they knew, they would write what they have. And who is lucky, who is unlucky here is not for you to judge. But you don't need to drive the "linden" either. If you read somewhere, it does not mean that you should write how people live. There are also those in Russia who receive a million rubles a day. But this does not mean that everyone lives like this.
                    2. ANB
                      ANB 2 March 2021 19: 38
                      +1
                      ... so I know the situation

                      What is the salary of an analyst in IT (write technical specifications for developers, bank)?
                      We can't find it. We offer over 1500 euros.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 March 2021 11: 03
      +7
      Quote: Mezabralis
      You greatly overestimate the role of transit in the economies of the Baltic States. There was almost no transit through Estonia for a long time, but the country is flourishing.
      You assess the situation based on the current state, not taking into account the future, that is, the loss of transit. The transit of the Baltic states is 30% of budget revenues, which you will agree is not enough. Loss of transit is fraught not only for ports, but also for the railway-reduction of personnel, rolling stock, car fleet and other related structures and subcontractors tied to ports and railway. This is against the background of the fact that the EU plans to cut subsidies to the Baltic republics. There is practically nothing to replace the lost income, gas will not save in this case.
      Quote: Mezabralis
      In fact, the migration of people is already positive.

      How is it positive? In what has left less than in previous years? So this suggests that the remaining population has grown very old and is not inclined to change their home, but the youth and the able-bodied population have moved out in past years. The birth rate is still lower than the population decline. In general, over the years of independent "prosperity", i.e. over 30 years, the Baltic republics have lost 1/3 of their population. After another 30-50 years of prosperity, Lithuanians, Estonians and Latvians have every chance of becoming one of the disappearing small nations.
      1. Mezabralis
        Mezabralis 2 March 2021 11: 16
        -7
        The transit of the Baltic states is 30% of budget revenues, which you will agree is not enough.
        30% may have been in the 90s and 00s, when other industries were actually not working.
        At the moment, he has not even been close to this for a long time.

        How is it positive? In what has left less than in previous years?
        Positive migration - more people enter than leave.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 March 2021 12: 04
          +3
          Quote: Mezabralis
          Positive migration - more people enter than leave.

          In this case, it is a pandemic rebound of guest workers from Europe due to the contraction of the labor market, especially in the service sector. There is no work for their own, what can we say about "stray" ones. The pandemic will end and you will see a reverse outflow.
          1. Mezabralis
            Mezabralis 2 March 2021 12: 18
            -3
            such data existed before the pandemic
    4. halpat
      halpat 2 March 2021 11: 18
      +2
      Quote: Mezabralis
      You greatly overestimate the role of transit in the economies of the Baltic States.
      There was almost no transit through Estonia for a long time, but the country is flourishing.
      In fact, the migration of people is already positive.
      The average salary in Estonia is over 1500 euros, compare with the salary in Russia.
      I can tell you that in Latvia, for example, the export of the IT sector already 8 years ago exceeded all revenues from transit. I can only smile at your excitement about transit and gas.
      For those who believe that the Baltic states live on EU money, I can say that they make up about 3% of GDP. A little more than we spend on the army

      Share your secret: How does Estonia prosper? What produces? How much? Where does he sell?
      Is Latvia also thriving? And the same questions.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 11: 47
        +3
        Quote: Halpat
        Share your secret: How does Estonia prosper? What produces? How much? Where does he sell?
        Is Latvia also thriving? And the same questions.

        Left this "boy", or paid.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 2 March 2021 12: 16
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Left this "boy", or paid.

          Not necessarily, he gives official statistics, which are difficult to verify, I tried and found this information on the Internet:
          500 Estonian residents have a salary of less than 000 euros

          How correct it is is also a big question. hi
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 2 March 2021 12: 26
            +1
            The minimum wage in Estonia (July 2020) is 584 euros.
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 2 March 2021 13: 12
              +1
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              The minimum wage in Estonia (July 2020) is 584 euros.

              There is such a thing, as far as I understood this gross (excluding taxes), on hand (net) after deducting taxes about 550 euros, and in the case of a salary of 1500 euros (as Mezabralis (Andris) writes), the net will be something about 1210 euros and to compare it remains to understand the costs.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 2 March 2021 13: 28
                +2
                The costs are generally comparable to the average Russian costs - excisable goods are more expensive. Gasoline is more expensive, but used cars are cheaper. With regard to Latvia- fit the builder / mechanic can get 1.5-1.7 already clean. A cook (skillful and not thieving) - about 1000 per hand. If there is no demanded profession, then it is already more fun.
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 2 March 2021 23: 22
                +1
                https://24ru.com/rabota-latvia/stroiteli-106012
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 05
            +1
            Quote: Dym71
            500 Estonian residents have a salary of less than 000 euros

            How correct it is is also a big question.

            The information is pretty reliable.
  12. Tagan
    Tagan 2 March 2021 10: 15
    +1
    Quote: Zoldat_A

    And the Lithuanians haven’t thought of "transiting" bananas to Ecuador or Vietnam yet? Level 80 logistics ...

    They and the Poles will flip a coin every day - who is pumping democratic gas to whom. To save money, I suggest leaving one container on which to loop the pipe. Only the direction of pumping will change. But everyone will seem to be in business.
  13. Your stranger
    Your stranger 2 March 2021 10: 16
    -2
    And that Lithuania buys gas in Russia too, that they write that it is 34 percent more expensive than the American one?
  14. Cowbra
    Cowbra 2 March 2021 10: 18
    +4
    Well, how can I tell you. It will be the same. that with the Latvian and Lithuanian railways.
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  15. DHO_N1
    DHO_N1 2 March 2021 10: 20
    +3
    It is necessary for the non-presidential cook to give the Hero of Russia to work for us. Lithuania lost and Russia won.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 March 2021 10: 30
      +4
      Quote: DHO_N1
      It is necessary for the non-presidential cook to give the Hero of Russia to work for us. Lithuania lost and Russia won.

      I think the chair of the Klaipeda port director has earned laughing To finally put an end to its functioning.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 March 2021 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        I think the chair of the Klaipeda port director has earned

        So you need to work in the same place, and not talk with your tongue. Yes, and enough of their own.
      2. halpat
        halpat 2 March 2021 12: 33
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: DHO_N1
        It is necessary for the non-presidential cook to give the Hero of Russia to work for us. Lithuania lost and Russia won.

        I think the chair of the Klaipeda port director has earned laughing To finally put an end to its functioning.

        The chef of the working canteen at the port. He knows how to fry cutlets and so on.
        I have not risen to the director of the port yet.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 March 2021 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: Halpat
          The chef of the working canteen at the port. He knows how to fry cutlets and so on.

          on gas stove? And without gas - what cutlets?
          1. halpat
            halpat 2 March 2021 13: 09
            +1
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Quote: Halpat
            The chef of the working canteen at the port. He knows how to fry cutlets and so on.

            on gas stove? And without gas - what cutlets?

            on the wood good
        2. ANB
          ANB 2 March 2021 19: 41
          +1
          ... The chef of the working canteen at the port. He knows how to fry cutlets and all that

          Sveta, as it turned out, does not know how to fry cutlets. She will have to do something else in the port. :)
  16. Sergey985
    Sergey985 2 March 2021 10: 25
    +1
    This is not entirely true. The Poles have a long-term contract with Qatar. From there and gas. By the way, the construction of the terminal was completed later than the contract began to operate. And the Poles paid for gas according to the take or pay system.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 2 March 2021 11: 40
      0
      Quote: Sergey985
      The Poles have a long-term contract with Qatar.

      The Poles also have long-term contracts with the states, only you need to look at what conditions - with the states according to the free-on-board formula - take them from the factory and take them wherever you want, but there is a delivery ex ship - with delivery to the destination port ... but for now last year, Poland at Gazprom - 9,668 billion cubic meters.
  17. Rubi0
    Rubi0 2 March 2021 10: 30
    +2
    And if we take into account that Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine are already creating the Lublin triangle or square, then 2 terminals for reverse gas to Belarus and Ukraine through the existing pipelines are just right. While you can laugh at all these gestures, but in the future, nothing good
  18. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 March 2021 10: 32
    -1
    By the way, Vilnius offers to pump gas in the direction of Ukraine. But Lithuania and Ukraine do not have a common border. The logistic approach is interesting in this case.

    All this is being done at the behest of the United States, they will not pay for the transshipment of US gas to Poland and further to Ukraine, and not even Poland and Lithuania. But all three Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania are spreading right in front of the United States, just to please the "Sahib" from across the big river.
  19. RealPilot
    RealPilot 2 March 2021 11: 05
    -1
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Is the gas really American? And not the LNG overbought from Yamal? Or is it something else? Some questions, I apologize! hi

    So that's great! For us, this is also diversification in the event of sanctions and not only, this is not Gazprom, but Novatek along with TOTAL and the Chinese. Plus the development of technologies, because LNG is a high-tech production, equipment for which is not only purchased, but also studied and localized. And there are other markets with a high demand for liquefied gas, where flows are easily redirected by gas carriers.
    Let them take our LNG good
    They won't cry in Russia!
  20. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 March 2021 11: 10
    +1
    These are the consequences of loss transit for Belarus.
    belay Who thinks clearly, clearly states. What did they want to say? Option:
    1. These are the consequences for Lithuania, the loss of transit for and from Belarus. repeat
  21. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 2 March 2021 11: 15
    0
    There is an error in the penultimate paragraph ... "These are the consequences for Belarus" ... the button to indicate the error does not work for me.
  22. rusich
    rusich 2 March 2021 11: 20
    0
    Where will the gas be pumped from ??? Not after the sprats, the release of liquefied gas will occur so much
  23. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 2 March 2021 11: 21
    0
    Reminded, a lot of work done, but the result ... laughing
  24. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 2 March 2021 11: 33
    -1
    They have all this from the hopelessness of their position, which they themselves have created.
    Since they considered themselves the center of Europe and in fact were the outskirts, but did not expect that the gate could be closed, well, they did not expect this option. Europe needs Russia and Russia needs Europe and the Baltics do not. And all their wondrous projects will most likely be covered with a copper basin.
  25. rocket757
    rocket757 2 March 2021 11: 44
    +1
    Lithuanians are going to use the port of Klaipeda in order to pump gas from there to the aforementioned Poland.

    And whose gas is it? Overseas or somewhere closer?
  26. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 March 2021 16: 04
    +1
    What high technologies! What ingenious logistics! Through the same pipeline, gas will flow in opposite directions: to Poland and Ukraine, and back from Europe to Finland. And you can save on pumps - insert a regular piston, and drive it back and forth. Half a cycle - to Europe, half a cycle - from Europe! Well this is what volumes will turn out in fact - Gazprom will only have to cry quietly aside! laughing
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 March 2021 16: 05
    +1
    Robyats in Eastern Europe, I think, will shudder after the launch of the SP-2. laughing
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 March 2021 16: 54
    0
    Yes, it is Europe itself that is guilty of indulging the ambitions of Polish politicians. First, they invested in a terminal, in this Swinoujscie, now they will give for the expansion. And there will be no American gas in such volumes. The gas will be Norwegian, Russian through Czechs and Germans. As a result, it turns out that Poland is raking in money under the deliberately failed LNG Terminal. They will give it back for half a century. And there is either a padishah or a donkey. Or is it not so? 

    Or did Polish politicians decide to make money for the budget by reselling LNG back to the Russian Federation through second parties? laughing
  29. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 March 2021 17: 25
    +1
    "the complete dependence of Vilnius and Warsaw on Washington.
    Judge for yourself: the USA will sell LNG to Lithuania and Poland "///
    ----
    Any LNG can be pumped into the storage facility: Qatari, Russian, Egyptian,
    Australian.
    This is the advantage of working with liquefied gas - you can work flexibly
    with any suppliers.
  30. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 2 March 2021 21: 37
    0
    It is a pity that all the actions of the Americans
    result in
    to the impoverishment of our neighbors.
    I'm not talking about us, but I've lived enough
    with a drunk on the same staircase.
  31. Skif
    Skif 3 March 2021 18: 53
    0
    The matter is small. We need to find gas.
  32. Antagonist
    Antagonist 10 March 2021 22: 55
    +2
    Lithuania buys it from the United States for about 34% more expensive than gas from Russia

    "I will frostbite my ears to harm my mother" laughing Bravo Lithuania, keep it up good