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Ankara fears that the military may come to power in Armenia

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Another wave of rallies awaits Armenia today. The largest of them, in Yerevan, is to be held by a political structure called the Council for the Salvation of the Motherland. The main demand is the resignation of Nikol Pashinyan from the post of prime minister, as well as the resignation of the entire government.


It is noteworthy that even Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke about the internal political situation in Armenia. Erdogan said he opposes coups in the neighboring country. In fact, in this way, Erdogan repeated the accusations against the Armenian military, which were voiced by Nikol Pashinyan.

I wonder, since when did the President of Turkey suddenly become so concerned about "coups" in Armenia? For some reason, when Nikol Pashinyan came to power, and this parish was a full-fledged coup d'etat, Mr. Erdogan did not care about the situation in Yerevan. But now he cares ...

The fact that Turkey has unequivocally made it clear that it is in favor of Nikol Pashinyan's preservation of his current position speaks volumes. Ankara fears that the military or politicians who are favored by the military will come to power in neighboring Armenia. It is obvious. They are afraid of decisiveness in the foreign policy direction. But it was the military the other day who were the first to advocate the removal of Pashinyan from power, first of all after his scandalous decisions to dismiss the Deputy Chief of the General Staff, and then the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Armenia.

To remind, the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces denied the Prime Minister's statement that during the Karabakh conflict the Armenian troops used Iskander OTRK. This caused indignation on the part of Pashinyan, who accepted the scribbling of “directives” on the dismissal of high-ranking officers. President Sarkissian did not sign these documents, and therefore Pashinyan found himself in a delicate situation.

And today a generally paradoxical situation is emerging, in which those who are very difficult to call Armenia's friends are in favor of keeping Pashinyan's chair of the Armenian prime minister. Among them are the Turkish authorities.

Ankara believes that after another person comes to power - supported by the Armenian military - the country may renegotiate agreements with Azerbaijan, including agreements that actually led to the possibility of a Turkish military presence in the Aghdam region.
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  1. Artyom Karagodin
    Artyom Karagodin 1 March 2021 09: 49
    +7
    In any case, no one will allow the Armenians to take revenge in Karabakh now, and they themselves will not want to. Until they want to. So Erdogan twitches in vain. And if anyone becomes prime minister instead of Nikolka, then most likely Kocharyan. Hardly anyone from the military ranks.
    1. Civil
      Civil 1 March 2021 09: 54
      -18%
      I wonder, since when did the President of Turkey suddenly become so preoccupied with "coups" in Armenia?

      But because he is worried. Because, if Nicolas leaves, Russia can conduct a "peacekeeping" operation in Karabakh together with the Armenian army. And to squeeze back Shusha for example. Unless, of course, the grandfathers still have the will.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 1 March 2021 10: 03
        +9
        Quote: Civil
        Because, if Nicolas leaves, Russia can conduct a "peacekeeping" operation in Karabakh together with the Armenian army. And to squeeze back Shusha for example. Unless, of course, the grandfathers still have will.
        What kind of operation, Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan according to all international treaties ?! It will be an aggression against Azerbaijan, not a "peacekeeping" operation.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 1 March 2021 11: 36
          +4
          You can't imagine the best "advertisement" for Pashinyan. The Turks disappeared and did a disservice to the Armenian prime minister. recourse
        2. Temples
          Temples 1 March 2021 12: 00
          -2
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Is Karabakh the territory of Azerbaijan according to all international treaties ?!

          What "international agreements"?
          Borders based on USSR decisions.

          Refuse Russia from recognizing these borders and this whole pile of republics will fall apart like a house of cards.
          War is at least provided for everyone with everyone.
          1. Temples
            Temples 1 March 2021 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: Civil
            Unless, of course, the grandfathers still have the will.

            The "grandfathers" have brains.
            The end of the conflict in a day also indicates the presence of will.

            Only their will does not coincide with your wishes.

            And why are Armenians better than Azerbaijanis?
            And why are Azerbaijanis better than Armenians?

            Why did you decide that the Russians should fight with Azerbaijan for the sake of Armenia? request

            To make you have fun?
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 1 March 2021 12: 09
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            Refuse Russia from recognizing these borders and this whole pile of republics will fall apart like a house of cards.

            And why should she refuse, on what grounds ?! If you are not aware, then all these republics have a representation in the UN, diplomatic status, etc. Therefore, the treaties are international!
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 1 March 2021 15: 21
              0
              "Ankara fears that the military may come to power in Armenia"
              And what's wrong with that? It seems that the most intelligent are the military there now!
              And I don't think that "Sultan" Erdogan is afraid of a renewed war from the newly elected. Most likely, he fears that the changes will lead to a strengthening of the pro-Russian vector and sentiments.
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      3. hydroy
        hydroy 1 March 2021 11: 32
        -2
        What the hell is the operation, what Shusha, you go, another case is the enlargement of the Armenian army and its development under the control of Russia, which will create big problems for Turkey and Azerbaijan: Nikol for open trade with the Turks, like his tinsel)
      4. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 1 March 2021 11: 47
        +2
        Quote: Civil

        But because he is worried. Because, if Nicolas leaves, Russia can carry out a "peacekeeping" operation in Karabakh together with the Armenian army. And press Shusha back for example

        Why did this Shusha surrender to us, like the whole of Karabakh, in order to spoil normal relations with Baku?
        For us, the main thing is peace in that region and our outpost. We already have an outpost. It remains to make the Armenians not twitch. It won't take much effort. And of course it is necessary to help the Armenians to remove Nikolka, but with Armenian hands.
      5. antivirus
        antivirus 1 March 2021 11: 57
        -2
        I wonder, since when did the President of Turkey suddenly become so preoccupied with "coups" in Armenia?

        - They are not worried as if the "Kurdish military" did not make a coup in Kurdistan and annex Oz Wan. to Iraq and Syria.
    2. Asad
      Asad 1 March 2021 09: 55
      -2
      Are there about Russian political forces in Armenia capable of taking power into their own hands?
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 1 March 2021 09: 57
        +3
        The same Kocharyan. The man is a sensible, tough leader, and he seems to enjoy authority among the Armenians.
        1. Asad
          Asad 1 March 2021 09: 59
          +2
          So we need to support, enough to look back to the west!
          1. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 1 March 2021 10: 05
            +4
            I agree. Moreover, they already supported him when Pashinyan put him in prison for a short time. Perhaps they even gave money for the deposit.

            Now, most likely, they will support it in a quiet way so as not to make a noise. The Armenians themselves do not mind dropping Nikolka, so for the beginning ours simply will not interfere.
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 1 March 2021 11: 39
            +1
            Quote: ASAD
            So we need to support, enough to look back to the west!

            Moreover, Erdogan supports him so actively. It means that it is necessary to clean up quietly, to support those who send him to resign. Or is Nikola so poor that he will have nothing to live on?
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 1 March 2021 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: ASAD
        Are there about Russian political forces in Armenia capable of taking power into their own hands?

        If stars are lit in the sky, then someone needs it.
        Do we need? It is necessary. Based on this, we must act.
    3. Israel
      Israel 1 March 2021 09: 58
      -2
      In this equation, there are many unknowns how Russia will behave if Armenia mobilizes and goes to reclaim territories, how much resources Azerbaijan has, what will happen to its industrial and oil infrastructure if Armenia starts striking, in general, many potential problems loom.
      Here Erdogan clearly wants to fix the current result for some time.
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 1 March 2021 10: 06
        +1
        I do not think that the Armenians will go for it now. Such cases are not resolved on a swoop. And the military, for example, understand this very well. During the five years that our peacekeepers have been in Artsakh, it is unlikely that anything will change seriously.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 1 March 2021 11: 53
          -1
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          are resolved. And the military, for example, understand this very well. During the five years that our peacekeepers have been in Artsakh, it is unlikely that anything will change seriously.

          The time spent by our people in Artsakh will be extended if it is not transformed into a base on a permanent (49 years) basis.
          1. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 1 March 2021 12: 12
            0
            We will wait and see, while we can only guess.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 1 March 2021 12: 22
              0
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              We will wait and see, while we can only guess.

              I agree with you. But, you see, the remnants of Karabakh, out of the instinct of self-preservation, must rely on someone. On whom? To Armenia? Experience says it's useless. Only Russia. Therefore - the Russian base.
              Only one thing makes me sad - at whose expense? As always - for ours. And it would be necessary at the expense of the customer for their security.
        2. Israel
          Israel 1 March 2021 15: 36
          -1
          Right now, of course not, but there is definitely a demand for revenge in society.
          1. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 1 March 2021 15: 40
            +1
            One of the probable scenarios is that Azerbaijan will try to put the squeeze on Karabakh, but will receive a response. But for this Armenia needs to prepare, draw conclusions, restore the interaction ruined by Nikolka with ... You know yourself with whom. In any case, the situation there remains suspended, and sooner or later it will have to be closed completely. And something tells that it will not be possible to do it peacefully. I would very much like to be mistaken.
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 1 March 2021 10: 51
      +8
      Quote: Artyom Karagodin
      So Erdogan twitches in vain.

      By and large, Erdogan did Pashinyan a disservice with his statement. Armenia's geopolitical enemy cares about the enemy! Now the opposition and the military have received an additional reason to accuse Pashinyan of playing up to the enemy and deliberately surrendering Karabakh. For complete "happiness" Pashinyan now lacks only Aliyev's call to the Armenian opposition and the military not to rock the Armenian boat. yes
    5. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 1 March 2021 11: 22
      0
      If someone sane comes to replace him, he can deal with the problems of the country, including the army, which in the future will help protect the Armenians from Turkish attacks, of course, this is not in Turkish interests, and then he can take up Karabakh, of course, the Turks are much better than a temporary grabber.
    6. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 1 March 2021 11: 39
      0
      Quote: Artyom Karagodin
      In any case, no one will allow the Armenians to take revenge in Karabakh now, and they themselves will not want to. Until they want to.

      Just don't tell that to the Armenians. They want and really want. Only there are inconsistencies between desires and possibilities. It's their own fault. It was not necessary to carry out "Maidans" with the change of power, but to work, as Azerbaijan did.
  2. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 1 March 2021 09: 58
    0
    The Turks are not in vain that they fear the coming to power in Armenia of the military or the politicians they support, in this case the country will follow the path of militarization and modernization of its armed forces, with active Russian assistance, and this is not in the hands of Azerbaijan and Turkey, militarily strong Armenia in the Transcaucasus no one but Russia needs
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 March 2021 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      It is not in vain that the Turks fear the coming to power in Armenia of the military or the politicians they support, in this ...

      ... in the case, it should be noted that the Armenian military are either former military from the USSR, or have close contacts with the Russian military. Probably, this is not the worst version of the outcome of events instead of about the "crap" Pashinyan.
  3. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 1 March 2021 10: 06
    +1
    Ankara believes that after another person comes to power - supported by the Armenian military - the country may renegotiate agreements with Azerbaijan, including agreements that actually led to the possibility of a Turkish military presence in the Aghdam region.

    So what? What are the revisions of the agreements ?! So the Azerbaijanis took and withdrew their troops from their territory, which belongs to them under all treaties. It's funny ... the train left
  4. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 1 March 2021 10: 06
    +5
    For Erdogan and Aliyev, it is simply not better to find Pashinyan, of course they are against his departure.
  5. askort154
    askort154 1 March 2021 10: 10
    +2
    For some reason, when Nikol Pashinyan came to power, and this parish was a full-fledged coup, Mr. Erdogan did not care about the situation in Yerevan. But now he cares ...

    The Anglo-Saxons need to oust Russia from the South Caucasus. Pashinyan and Erdogan
    their tools. Pashinyan is their direct protege, and Erdogan is used in the "dark", playing on his sultan's ambitions.
    1. cniza
      cniza 1 March 2021 10: 16
      +2
      Everything is so, only Erdogan will not miss his piece of the pie, if he is not slowed down ...
      1. mssp
        mssp 1 March 2021 10: 31
        +1
        If there is anyone to brake Erdogan, it is by no means Russia.
        On the contrary, it will support you in every possible way.
        The unrest and disagreement in NATO plays into Russia's hands.
        Remind me how the Turks almost entered into a sea battle with a French frigate?
        And Armenia is too small and insignificant, just a bargaining chip in the game of the real powers.
        1. cniza
          cniza 1 March 2021 10: 42
          +3
          Erdogan is not so much interested in Armenia as Azerbaijan and Central Asia, as well as the Caspian ...
  6. cniza
    cniza 1 March 2021 10: 14
    +1
    I wonder, since when did the President of Turkey suddenly become so concerned about "coups" in Armenia? For some reason, when Nikol Pashinyan came to power, and this parish was a full-fledged coup d'etat, Mr. Erdogan did not care about the situation in Yerevan. But now he cares ...


    It looks like the answer lies on the surface ...
  7. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 1 March 2021 10: 24
    +3
    To recapture the Karabakh lands lost as a result of the Azerbaijani-Turkish attack, you need to prepare for a future war in a real way, and not rely on field fortifications and militia. In Karabakh, it would be worthwhile to significantly strengthen the air defense against the Air Force and UAVs, staff the ground forces, strengthen the tank component, develop the existing fortifications on the existing line of contact with the Azerbaijani Armed Forces in order to prevent further losses of territory and positions. We need tactical groups that will not only deliver counterstrikes, but also conduct offensive operations, supported by air defense cover and counter-battery work. We need our own UAVs at least for adjusting artillery and aviation. A lot of things are needed ... But without this, even dreaming that Karabakh will be Armenian is not worth it. The replacement of Pashinyan with a general will not solve anything, but Armenia had to recognize the independence of Karabakh even during the fighting.
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich 1 March 2021 10: 49
      -1
      And at whose expense are you offering this banquet?
      not at the expense of Voronezh and Smolensk?
    2. Horon
      Horon 1 March 2021 11: 55
      0
      Before claiming Karabakh, the Armenians had to officially declare their claims, which they did not. And now there are peacekeepers and it is unlikely that Armenia will even receive neutrality from Russia if it gets into a fight again. And having expelled the Russian peacekeepers, it will again rake the teeth of the neighbors. For the next 10 years, it is better for them not to remind them of their claims, but to improve the economy and, on its basis, the army. And then again they will say that their missiles were "of the wrong system" (c), the electronic warfare did not rebel, the missiles did not fly and, moreover, did not explode, the crows interfered with air defense, and the knives did not cut them at all!
  8. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 1 March 2021 11: 02
    +3
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: Civil
    Because, if Nicolas leaves, Russia can conduct a "peacekeeping" operation in Karabakh together with the Armenian army. And to squeeze back Shusha for example. Unless, of course, the grandfathers still have will.
    What kind of operation, Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan according to all international treaties ?! It will be an aggression against Azerbaijan, not a "peacekeeping" operation.

    Vyi is absolutely right from the point of view of international law, but in the world since 1999 there is a precedent of Kosovo when "peacekeeping and humanism" beat the rules of international law.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 1 March 2021 11: 22
      +2
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Vyi is absolutely right from the point of view of international law, but in the world since 1999 there is a precedent of Kosovo when "peacekeeping and humanism" beat the rules of international law.
      Just do not forget that most of the territory that came under the control of Azerbaijan is not the Republic of Karabakh, but 6 regions around Karabakh, which are directly the territory of Azerbaijan occupied by the troops of the Karabakh Armenians. Of Karabakh itself, the Azerbaijanis have only Shusha and Hadrut, most of which are under the control of Armenians and peacekeepers. so the Kosovo precedent is not particularly applicable here hi
  9. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 1 March 2021 11: 06
    -2
    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
    In any case, no one will allow the Armenians to take revenge in Karabakh now, and they themselves will not want to. Until they want to. So Erdogan twitches in vain. And if anyone becomes prime minister instead of Nikolka, then most likely Kocharyan. Hardly anyone from the military ranks.

    Now, of course, it will not work, but the Azeris waited 30 years before they waged a successful war and nothing bothers the Armenians, if the right people come to power, they wait 10-20 years to prepare properly and take revenge.
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 1 March 2021 11: 21
      0
      What a revenge, compare the demography, economy of Azerbaijan and Armenia. The revenge of Azerbaijan was predictable because there were resources, but what does Armenia have and what will happen? Nothing, zero. Revenge is a fairy tale for people who are naturally dissatisfied with Pashinyan today. Some politicians want to come to power with this tale. Of course, there can be provocations against the peacekeepers of which Azerbaijan can be blamed (fortunately, Armenian terrorism is known to everyone - Orly 1983, Moscow 1977, etc.). But I do not think that Russia will go along with the Armenians because Azerbaijan is more profitable for Russia than Armenia.
  10. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 1 March 2021 11: 20
    0
    Armenians! Think about it! Since Erdogan does not want the military, then we must put them in power!
    1. iouris
      iouris 1 March 2021 12: 20
      0
      The fate of Armenia depends on the fate of the Russian Federation, not on the military.
  11. Azimuth
    Azimuth 1 March 2021 11: 55
    +3
    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
    The same Kocharyan. The man is a sensible, tough leader, and he seems to enjoy authority among the Armenians.
    Robert Kocharian is not popular among the population, he is just the founder of the "Karabakh clan" which Armenians hate more than Pashinyan.
    Well, the simple fact is indicative - the whole of Armenia came out against the "Karabakh clan" in the person of Serzh Sargisyan, Kocharyan's successor, and against Pashinyan, his opponents from the "Karabakh clan" and their sympathizers cannot gather a significant number of people even for a rally in Yerevan. Plus, we did Kocharyan and his supporters a disservice by organizing the return of Karabakh people to Azerbaijan to the areas under the control of our MS. As a result, now Kocharyan has no support for the crowd, the "will of the people."
  12. Azimuth
    Azimuth 1 March 2021 12: 15
    +1
    Quote: Bakinec
    What a revenge, compare the demography, economy of Azerbaijan and Armenia. The revenge of Azerbaijan was predictable because there were resources, but what does Armenia have and what will happen? Nothing, zero. Revenge is a fairy tale for people who are naturally dissatisfied with Pashinyan today. Some politicians want to come to power with this tale. Of course, there can be provocations against the peacekeepers of which Azerbaijan can be blamed (fortunately, Armenian terrorism is known to everyone - Orly 1983, Moscow 1977, etc.). But I do not think that Russia will go along with the Armenians because Azerbaijan is more profitable for Russia than Armenia.
    Russia is more profitable for Russia.
    Make a lot of noise around you, all interest in your country is associated only with its geographical location, in fact, a narrow corridor between us and Iran and access to Central Asia. Without this, no one needs you and are not interested, especially with a stormy demography on a piece of barren land less than any of our region, a weak, completely resource-based economy and your irreplaceable president.
    Many and other strategists from Transcaucasia do not reach you at all a simple truth, just because of the geographical location you will be torn apart, if we just turn aside a little. We are the guarantors of the existence of not only Armenia, but also Azerbaijan, and as it is not paradoxical, but also Georgia.

    Moreover, in the case of Azerbaijan, your president is panicky afraid of the West or the strengthening of Turkey, despite all his odes to the latter, he understands very well that he will be replaced only a centimeter further out of the shadow of the Kremlin towers. Well, and even more so he is a Kurd, moreover, all his inner circle are also Kurds, and the Turks have their own opinions and relations with this people ... well, you yourself understand everything.

    The Turks will lure you under the slogan "one people, two states". Although you are as close to the Turks as the same Uzbeks or Turkmens, one group, but the peoples are different, such as the Czechs and Poles, or the Russians. But the Turks will be made of you, and most likely the second-rate ones. But I will repeat this if we turn our backs on you.

    Regarding Armenia's revenge. Armenia did not have a victory over you, you led a wrong policy and snatched it for it in the 90s. Neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan is a force in the political or military sense, if it were not in our interests, equipment would be re-preserved from our warehouses in Armenia, people would be delivered, and your army would not have gone forward in an extreme war , and indeed, as the Armenians threatened from behind our back, it would occupy a defensive position on the outskirts of Baku ...

    You need to look at things more soberly ...
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 1 March 2021 18: 08
      0
      Where did you see the drunken attitude. Naturally, the time of the beginning and end of the war was agreed with Russia. And if Russia agreed with Azerbaijan, then today Azerbaijan is more interesting than Armenia. If you erase everything that you wrote in the style of a hurray for a patriot with a shirt torn from pride on the chest and in the style "oh God, treacherous Erdogan" that is fashionable today in the Russian patriotic environment, then you wrote what I did.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 1 March 2021 12: 17
    0
    the name "Council for the Salvation of the Motherland".

    Well, yes, but how else could they call themselves?
  14. iouris
    iouris 1 March 2021 12: 19
    0
    This is also possible in Turkey.
  15. Azimuth
    Azimuth 1 March 2021 12: 52
    0
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
    In any case, no one will allow the Armenians to take revenge in Karabakh now, and they themselves will not want to. Until they want to. So Erdogan twitches in vain. And if anyone becomes prime minister instead of Nikolka, then most likely Kocharyan. Hardly anyone from the military ranks.

    Now, of course, it will not work, but the Azeris waited 30 years before they waged a successful war and nothing bothers the Armenians, if the right people come to power, they wait 10-20 years to prepare properly and take revenge.
    But whoever comes to power there, nothing and none of them can do. Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis are pawns on someone else's chessboard.
    You reason as if they are self-sufficient states. Disconnect the system of fast transfers from us to any of these countries tomorrow, in a month and a half or two months there will be famine ...

    Many simply forget that Transcaucasia is RUSSIA, this is the land obtained by Russian weapons. On our lands, as a result of a short period of the fall of Russia as a result of the First World War and the revolution, our then opponents (Germany, Turkey) and allies (Great Britain, France) rushed to mold some kind of dwarf states, defending and pursuing their own interests, since despite the fact that we dropped out of the First World War, she, the war is not over. Armenia and Ararat in Turkey, who wants to go there from Armenians to their historical homeland - velcom, Azerbaijan is Iran, who wants from Azerbaijanis to go there, also to their historical homeland - velcom. What problems? Well, besides the fact that there they will not be able to even elementary things, study in their native languages, write and read, not to mention more, because some are Turkified and even Islamized, while others are personified, they are even forbidden to call their children Tatar names ...
    Both those and others know this perfectly well, they really pretend to hear or read for the first time.

    So there is no question of whose Karabakh, Yerevan, Baku or Nakhichevan, they are Russian, these are our territories. The whole question is only in time, the Bolsheviks quite quickly stopped this Sabbath of the West and Turkey in our southern lands after the fall of the Russian Empire, and our current impotent calves 30 years after the fall of the USSR.

    Many people here forget that all these dwarf remakes on our territory are only 35 years old, taking into account their GREAT HISTORY in the period between the fall of the Russian Empire and the formation of the USSR, what the hell is history and statehood ?! Purely plowmen and organized crime groups plundering our resources, imagining themselves to be kings and elites ...

    The whole question of these conflicts is when, finally, after the collapse of the USSR, the formation and rebirth, if you want the reincarnation of Russia, of a new state, will begin. Today's RF is not Russia, so, the same dwarf cobbled together by the West, like the discussed Armenia and Azerbaijan. The process was delayed, and this is the fault of us, as well as the outskirts that endure godfathers and organized crime groups, but in any case, like the Phoenix Russia bird, real Russia will rise from the ashes again.
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 1 March 2021 18: 15
      -1
      Many simply forget that Transcaucasia is RUSSIA, this is the land obtained by Russian weapons.

      Many people also forget that at some point in history, most of a country was conquered by Mongol arms and was under its yoke for about 300 years. So, according to your ingenious conclusion, which even Soloviev would envy, these territories should be devoted to the Mongols.
  16. Azimuth
    Azimuth 3 March 2021 16: 52
    0
    Quote: Bakinec
    Where did you see the drunken attitude. Naturally, the time of the beginning and end of the war was agreed with Russia. And if Russia agreed with Azerbaijan, then today Azerbaijan is more interesting than Armenia. If you erase everything that you wrote in the style of a hurray for a patriot with a shirt torn from pride on the chest and in the style "oh God, treacherous Erdogan" that is fashionable today in the Russian patriotic environment, then you wrote what I did.

    He did not write about "insidious Erdogan", he wrote about the Turkification of Azerbaijanis. Erdogan is a temporary phenomenon, for various reasons he suits us and is used by us, although he periodically swims behind the buoys, but pulling him by the legs and drowning is never a problem. Judging by the fact that we knew about the conspiracy being prepared against him before Erdogan, our special services work more effectively in Turkey than the Turkish ones themselves, and keep the situation under control. And besides, they have information on Erdogan that is more than sufficient to drown him as soon as it is decided that he is not just a waste material, but also interferes.
    The fact that our current leadership allowed you, Azerbaijan, to start a war, has solved many tasks, from supporting the still advantageous Erdogan in the elections through creating additional points for him, to solving the tasks of clearing Armenia and, accordingly, its underbelly from the Americans and their influence.
    Azerbaijan is Ilham Aliyev, as he wrote above, and on the one hand he is afraid of the West, and on the other hand he is alien to him. He is a typical Russian-speaking national, a child of the Soviet elite, this is confirmed by many videos of family filming posted on the network by his daughters and ex-son-in-law Agalarov. At home and in close circles, he speaks our language, using your language only in official ceremonies and interviews. Of course, this plays into the hands of Azerbaijan, since having a Russian-speaking graduate of our MGIMO in front of you is much easier than Nikol Vovaevich, who barely backs up and makes mistakes. So it is not easy here that Azerbaijan has become more profitable for us, and the situation has developed in such a way that against the background of the current leadership of Georgia and Armenia, your authorities have become closer and understandable to ours.
    But I repeat, it is wrong to talk about Transcaucasia in the context of dwarf states, which were not there at all and never under current or other conditions. Most of the Transcaucasia was the northern regions of Persia, and so, and it was conquered by us. And in the future, there were purely administrative boundaries and there was no division. The current borders between the three dwarf states are mostly a matter of the beginning of the twentieth century and the handiwork of Great Britain and France, on the one hand, and Germany and Turkey, on the other hand, which continued to remain opponents in the First World War. Despite the fact that in the course of a successful, if not for our Motherland, one can say a brilliant, skillful operation of the German General Staff, one of the opponents, we, Russia, did not just cease to exist, but the country's top leadership, including the Tsar and his family, the color of the officer corps was destroyed, the army was trampled - in short, the enemy struck a blow worse than a nuclear one.
    At one time, going out to the Caucasus, we created a threat to the East India Company, that is, Great Britain, going to Central Asia, created a similar threat to the pearl in its crown - India. At the moment when our country essentially did not become, the Russian Empire was a ruin, in the Transcaucasus and through it further to Central Asia, Germany and Turkey tried to go through, continuing to fight with Great Britain, and go through everything with the same goal - access to the possessions of the East India Company and to India. Hence all the events in Transcaucasia, including interethnic clashes, the appearance of the Turkish occupation corps, the landing of the British in Baku, etc. And it is as a result of this struggle that there are NEVER existed borders and states within them on the territory of what was essentially the province of Russia. Unfortunately, in the future, the Stalin factor in the leadership apparently played here, these newly-made dwarf states, with artificial borders cut by Europeans and Turks on our southern lands, became part of the USSR in the status of republics, and with its collapse, these ex-republics acquired the so-called statehood and sovereignty. In this there is nothing of "hurray-patriots", it is stupid and just a story and nothing else.
    There was no Georgia, there were several warring principalities and a micro-kingdom, there was no Armenia, there were the Erivan and Nakhichevan khanates, there was no Azerbaijan, and in general self-designation as Azerbaijanis. All this division and demarcation of our southern lands, sucked out of the thumb by the West, in the process of the struggle in the First World War, and led unfortunately to today's events. There is only one solution, either these territories are returned to the renewed Russia, or to Iran ...
  17. Consul
    Consul 10 March 2021 13: 54
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    Nobody will remove Pashinyan. He will stay. So the Turks were too worried early.