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"I had to worry": Rogozin spoke about the successful launch of the carrier rocket with the "Arktika-M" spacecraft

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It is reported about the regular launch of the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle with a spacecraft on board. We are talking about the launch, which was carried out from the Baikonur cosmodrome. The head of "Roscosmos" conducts a kind of text broadcast on this matter. Dmitry Rogozin tweeted and announced that the start was regular.


Rogozin noted that at the estimated time took place the separation of the head unit of the launch vehicle and the first on-off of the propulsion system of the upper stage "Fregat".

What kind of spacecraft is being launched into orbit?

This is "Arktika-M" - a satellite designed for monitoring and remote sensing of the Arctic.

It is planned that in total a constellation of five such spacecraft will operate in low-earth orbit. They will carry out a multi-level study of the Arctic region, including the climatic one.

The Arktika-M satellites will make it possible to analyze the state of the Arctic ice, weather changes, and the state of the Northern Sea Route along its entire length. Monitoring is round-the-clock and all-weather.

The spacecraft "Arktika-M" was created by the specialists of NPO named after Lavochkin.

Rogozin:

I had to worry more about this launch than usual. The wind up to 2 km was so strong that even for our hardy and non-capricious "Soyuz-2" it was at the very limit of tolerance for meteorological conditions. But the rocket and its control system coped brilliantly.

Space launch footage:

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  1. slipped
    slipped 28 February 2021 11: 45
    0
    It's too early. Satellite separation at 12:14 Moscow time.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 February 2021 12: 44
      +6
      I hope that everything will go on as usual, and the satellite, having entered the specified orbit, will work normally!
      1. slipped
        slipped 28 February 2021 12: 50
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        I hope that everything will go on as usual, and the satellite, having entered the specified orbit, will work normally!


        Things are good. I wrote below.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 28 February 2021 14: 12
      +2
      Quote: slipped
      It's too early. Satellite separation at 12:14 Moscow time.


      The satellite has been launched into a working orbit.
      .MOSCOW, February 28. / TASS /. The first hydrometeorological satellite Arktika-M, launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome using a Soyuz-2.1b rocket, was successfully launched into a working orbit using the Fregat upper stage. This is stated in the message of Roscosmos.

      https://tass.ru/kosmos/10799381
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 February 2021 11: 48
    +5
    Once the frigate has already worked for the launch of the Arctic into orbit M, there are two more times left. The mass of the Arctic M is 1 tons.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 28 February 2021 12: 03
      +10
      Handsomely ! The rocket launch is always mesmerizing ...
      1. Destiny
        Destiny 28 February 2021 12: 08
        +14
        Yes, you can feel the power!
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    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 28 February 2021 12: 15
      +2
      Are you not worried about the results of your activity during the delivery of the product to the customer?
      1. Charik
        Charik 28 February 2021 12: 25
        .
        And did he collect the rocket? Or was he preparing for the launch, or was he building the cosmodrome, think with your head, and even, God forbid, if the launch were unsuccessful, what would he have-D-A-N-E-Kh-R -E-N-A, the heads of other people fly in case of failure, but he just collects all the prelaunch work carried out in a heap and then writes poems on Twitter that's all his work or he comes to each plant and workshop on his own to make sure that everything the work was carried out efficiently and the rocket will complete the task
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 28 February 2021 12: 34
          +6
          He, as a leader, makes all global decisions and it is he who is responsible for the industry, which is called the head. And it is on him, and not on the assembly fitter, to wake up all the curses of Russia in case of an unsuccessful launch.
          And twitter and others is a tribute to fashion and modernity. He is also a man and nothing human is alien to him.
          1. Pessimist22
            Pessimist22 28 February 2021 12: 48
            0
            This journalist, a National Bolshevik, is related to space insofar as.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 28 February 2021 12: 49
              -8
              "Had" and does not have.
            2. AlexG83
              AlexG83 28 February 2021 13: 15
              +5
              Quote: Pessimist22
              This journalist, a National Bolshevik, is related to space insofar as.

              It was always amusing. Ie, a person has received the education of a journalist and that's it, there are no more "memory resources" left in his head, he will learn something different in later life, right? I have already given an example, James Cameron was a trucker, and now he is a successful talented director. And this is quite normal, people get some kind of profession, but in the future they can do something completely different, and quite successfully.
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            1. Pessimist22
              Pessimist22 28 February 2021 13: 03
              -3
              I agree with you, such thefts are in the east, and from it like water off a duck's back, perhaps he got his share.
            2. seregin-s1
              seregin-s1 28 February 2021 13: 24
              +8
              Start of construction of the cosmodrome in 2011, launch complex in 2012.
              In September 2014, due to a 26-month delay in the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, President Vladimir Putin convened a commission on this issue, of which he appointed Dmitry Rogozin as its head. The Deputy Prime Minister constantly monitored the construction process, carrying out trips to the cosmodrome, as a result, the backlog was reduced, 20 criminal cases were initiated. In 2018, Dmitry Rogozin responded to the president's proposal to head the state corporation Roscosmos, as a person already familiar with the problems of the industry. On May 24, 2018, by decree of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin, he was appointed General Director of the State Corporation for Space Activities "Roscosmos".
              After Rogozin came to Roskosmos, all launches were successful. So don't carry a blizzard!
              1. nils
                nils 28 February 2021 14: 25
                .
                Exchange of pleasantries:
                Rogozin called US spaceships the glamorous counterparts of the Soyuz, to which the founder of SpaceX, Elon Musk, called Rogozin the glamorous analogue of the head.

                After Crew Dragon successfully docked to the ISS, Elon Musk sent Dmitry Rogozin a trampoline as a gift.

                The Space X missile is cheaper than the Soyuz due to the fact that it lacks one important detail - recoil ...

                It turns out that there were no embezzlement in Roscosmos. The missile itself stole the funds allocated for it and hid with them in the Pacific Ocean.

                The only thing that will be able to develop Russian cosmonautics and stop the fall of domestic satellites is Putin's flight to Mars.
                1. Alexey Sommer
                  Alexey Sommer 28 February 2021 16: 43
                  +5
                  Quote: nils
                  The Space X missile is cheaper than the Soyuz

                  Good evening! hi
                  Can you please tell me which Space X rocket is cheaper than the Soyuz and by how much?
                  1. nils
                    nils 28 February 2021 18: 22
                    +4
                    The officially unveiled commercial price of a Space X Falcon 9 payload launch is $ 62 million, which includes both the cost of the rocket and the support for the launch. In fact, this is the best price on the world market for heavy rockets.
                    The main competitor of Falcon 9 in the global commercial market is the Russian Proton-M rocket (Not Union). In an effort to retain customers in 2015, the price was lowered from $ 100 to $ 65 million, but this did not help. Proton-M loses in insurance rates, which have risen due to the high accident rate and today are four times higher than the insurance at Falcon 9 launch: 12% versus 3%.
                    De facto, instead of a serious competition for the consumer, Roscosmos decided to surrender without a fight. There is no other way to explain the fact that the only market competitor of the Falcon 9 - the light version of the "Proton" is actually closed and never started. Russia is still trying to fight for the demand for light and medium missiles, but has almost completely surrendered the most money market for geostationary launches. The head of Roscosmos promises to return with an updated "Angara" in a few years, but the economic prospects for this rocket are even less than for the "Proton".
                    1. Alexey Sommer
                      Alexey Sommer 1 March 2021 07: 32
                      -4
                      Quote: nils
                      Falcon 9 - the lightweight version of the "Proton" is actually closed and never started

                      You then compare with PROTON Falcon, then with the UNION.
                      So, regarding UNION, Falcon is still more expensive.
                      As for PROTON, with which Falcon are you now comparing it?
                      ida The price of launching PROTON in 100 ml, this is not a prime cost, it is a monopoly. As a competitor appeared, they were reduced.
                2. lucul
                  lucul 28 February 2021 18: 05
                  -1
                  The Space X missile is cheaper than the Soyuz due to the fact that it lacks one important detail - recoil ...

                  Laughed like a horse))))
                  One must believe in such fairy tales.
          3. AUL
            AUL 28 February 2021 14: 00
            +3
            Quote: Svetlana
            He, as a leader, makes all global decisions and it is he who is responsible for the industry, which is called the head.

            And when was the last time he answered with his head? Or did we have some dizzying successes in space with him?
          4. dauria
            dauria 28 February 2021 14: 26
            +1
            And it is on him, and not on the assembly fitter, to wake up all the curses of Russia in case of an unsuccessful launch.


            "Hard words break no bones". Smart people, these Russians ...
            And no one will throw Rogozin out into the street without a penny. Responsible employee without responsibility. In Russia, the most responsible worker is a kindergarten teacher. What happens - both before the law and before your conscience.
            And to replace Rogozin - yes, one spit. Even a mummy from Egypt.
            1. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 28 February 2021 17: 52
              -4
              it's good that you are not a mummy. And the leader, apparently, is so-so!
            2. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 1 March 2021 22: 53
              -1
              "I had to worry": Rogozin

              I will help if possible ...

          5. Yves762
            Yves762 28 February 2021 14: 55
            +3
            Quote: Svetlana
            He, as a leader, makes all global decisions and it is he who is responsible for the industry ...

            laughing
            If, in an industry where multiple redundancy is a fundamental thing, an assembly fitter can "run" a product "along a known trajectory," then something is wrong with the leaders. Don’t you? wink
            1. Siberian54
              Siberian54 1 March 2021 21: 50
              0
              At Baikonur, in Soviet times, the start was canceled because of the "locksmith" one of the many sensors was installed the other way around .. after this incident, the installation nests were made asymmetric on spacecraft
          6. Intruder
            Intruder 28 February 2021 15: 32
            0
            He is also a man and nothing human is alien to him.
            together with all human vices, at the expense of the state budget! ??? No, ok ... so! winked laughing
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        2. The popuas
          The popuas 28 February 2021 13: 35
          -4
          Rogozin reminds me of a murzilka from Mask ... so poorly imitates him
  4. Alsur
    Alsur 28 February 2021 11: 53
    0
    Where are the trampoline jokes?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: ALSur
      Where are the trampoline jokes?

      Inappropriate? A modernized Soviet rocket launched a satellite into orbit. Is this a great breakthrough and cause for pride? Quite an ordinary event.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 28 February 2021 12: 09
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        A Soviet rocket launched a satellite into orbit. Is this a great breakthrough and cause for pride?

        Alexey, with all due respect.
        The satellite is not Soviet. Time.
        The fact that, after a terrible rollback decades ago, Russia can produce high-tech products, even those developed in Soviet times, is not a reason for pride and not a breakthrough.
        But certainly a good reason not to tear hair and not sprinkle ashes on your head.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 28 February 2021 12: 16
          +5
          This is how the country has been developing for the third decade since the rollback. Let's not talk about intrigues and sanctions, the Soviet Union also did not have access to many advanced things. But..
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 28 February 2021 12: 18
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            So, since the rollback, the country's third decade of development has been going on

            for some positions it (rollback) continues
            understand me literally, don't look between the lines
            I wrote without a desire to pry or offend
            I try to see things as they are
            there is enough shit around
            1. 210ox
              210ox 28 February 2021 12: 24
              +6
              hi I agree. However, we all want a real, not a declared rise in our country. In this life.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 28 February 2021 12: 29
                -3
                Quote: 210ox
                However, we all want a real, not a declared rise in our country.

                If it was the way we want it.
                For some reason, Aksyonov's "Crimea Island" came to mind.
                Dream dreams, where is your sweetness? (from)
                1. Temples
                  Temples 28 February 2021 12: 44
                  .
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Upgraded Soviet rocket

                  Quote: 210ox
                  So since the rollback for the third decade

                  Quote: 210ox
                  we all want a real, not a declared rise



                  I can't even imagine what will happen without your whining. wassat

                  The people in our country are the same as a thousand years ago - the Russian people.
                  And you all whine about the Soviet, as if in the USSR lived not Russian people, but mutants from Mars.

                  Korolev Sergey Pavlovich was born in the Russian Empire.
                  This fact probably haunts you? Can't you eat? laughing

                  And Sikorsky Igor Ivanovich was born in the Russian Empire.

                  And Korolev and Sikorsky, both great Russian engineers who conquered the sky and space.

                  We all come from a Russian country. And the country is divided by Russophobes.

                  You poison yourself with bile.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 14: 41
                    -4
                    Quote: Temples
                    The people in our country are the same as a thousand years ago - the Russian people.

                    You should at least look into history textbooks sometimes, or something. A question for you to fill in, since when can you talk about the Russian nation (people)? And the fact that you are all the time trying to tie the present RF to the Soviet Union, it speaks only of your "alternative" talent.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 28 February 2021 17: 07
                      0
                      The backbone of the USSR was just the RSFSR - Russia.
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                      2. lucul
                        lucul 28 February 2021 18: 09
                        -4
                        but your writing says you just

                        Yes, he is just a foreign agent on a salary.
                        Go to your profile and read the posts - there is a terrifying Russophobia.
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 1 March 2021 15: 41
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        Yes, he is just a foreign agent on a salary.
                        Go to your profile and read the posts - there is a terrifying Russophobia.

                        And can you present proofs?
                  2. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 18: 02
                    -1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    The backbone of the USSR was exactly the RSFSR - Russia

                    RSFSR and Russia (RF) in your opinion the same thing?
                  3. lucul
                    lucul 28 February 2021 18: 27
                    -5
                    RSFSR and Russia (RF) in your opinion the same thing?

                    Why not ? For Russians, it is - if you think otherwise, then you are not one of them.
                  4. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 1 March 2021 09: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: lucul
                    Why not ?

                    Because the USSR (RSFSR) and the Russian Federation are antagonistic states. The USSR was built by the communists, and the Russian Federation was built by the ideological descendants of Vlasov and Krasnov.
                  5. lucul
                    lucul 1 March 2021 09: 35
                    -3
                    Because the USSR (RSFSR) and the Russian Federation are antagonistic states. The USSR was built by the communists, and the Russian Federation was built by the ideological descendants of Vlasov and Krasnov.

                    It's funny to tears - the Russian people have existed for 1 years, and the Soviet people could not survive for 000 years - that's all you need to know about the "Soviet" people.
                  6. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 1 March 2021 15: 40
                    0
                    Quote: lucul
                    It's funny to tears - the Russian people have existed for 1 years

                    And won't you tell me, my dear, from what historical moment in your opinion, we can talk about the formation of the Russian people (nation)?
                  7. lucul
                    lucul 1 March 2021 16: 06
                    -4
                    And won't you tell me, my dear, from what historical moment in your opinion, we can talk about the formation of the Russian people (nation)?

                    Exactly from the baptism of Russia. But the Russian already knows this.
                  8. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 1 March 2021 17: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: lucul
                    Exactly from the baptism of Russia. But the Russian already knows this.

                    Your deep ignorance never ceases to amaze me. What grade were you expelled from school? Or was history not taught at your school at all?
                    Read at least here or something:
                    https://arheologija.ru/formirovanie-russkoy-natsii/
                    or here:
                    https://iphras.ru/uplfile/root/biblio/chel/ch_5/6.pdf
                    What kind of united nation can we talk about in an early feudal state that has not completely outlived tribal relations? A nation is a nation that emerged only in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries. a historically new community of people connected to each other in a community not only by common citizenship, but also by common historical memory, common language, and common culture. This is so if you are too lazy to read the materials on the links.
                  9. lucul
                    lucul 1 March 2021 18: 48
                    0
                    Your deep ignorance never ceases to amaze me. What grade were you expelled from school? Or was history not taught at your school at all?

                    And me yours - you first wrote about the people, and now you crucify about the nation. What should I call you after that?
                  10. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 1 March 2021 19: 58
                    0
                    Quote: lucul
                    And me yours - you first wrote about the people, and now you crucify about the nation. What should I call you after that?

                    Does your memory fail you again?
                    Quote: lucul
                    Because the USSR (RSFSR) and the Russian Federation are antagonistic states. The USSR was built by the communists, and the Russian Federation was built by the ideological descendants of Vlasov and Krasnov.

                    It's funny to tears - the Russian people have existed for 1 years, and the Soviet people could not survive for 000 years - that's all you need to know about the "Soviet" people.

                    That is, initially it was about the state, you translated it to the people
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Quote: lucul
                    It's funny to tears - the Russian people have existed for 1 years

                    And won't you tell me, my dear, from what historical moment in your opinion, we can talk about the formation of the Russian people (nation)?

                    By the way, I answered you, what is the "Soviet people"? And yes, give a definition, what is a people?
                    Quote: lucul
                    And won't you tell me, my dear, from what historical moment in your opinion, we can talk about the formation of the Russian people (nation)?

                    Exactly from the baptism of Russia. But the Russian already knows this.

                    Here's how to respond to such a stupid answer? Why did you bring baptism here? Do you think that the baptism of Rus took place at the snap of Prince Vladimir's fingers? You would read the documents about how much blood was shed during the baptism of Novgorod, the same. The peasantry, for the most part, adopted Orthodoxy by the 16-17th century, in general. Pagan holidays are still celebrated.)))))
                  11. lucul
                    lucul 2 March 2021 11: 18
                    -2
                    Does your memory fail you again?

                    Not me, but you, as always.
                    Because it started with
                    RSFSR and Russia (RF) in your opinion the same thing?

                    Why not ? For Russians, it is - if you think otherwise, then you are not one of them.

                    Not with
                    Because the USSR (RSFSR) and the Russian Federation are antagonistic states. The USSR was built by the communists, and the Russian Federation was built by the ideological descendants of Vlasov and Krasnov.
          2. shahor
            shahor 2 March 2021 01: 34
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            from what historical moment, in your opinion, can we talk about the formation of the Russian people (nation)?

            And to begin with, give at least a definition, what are the people?
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 2 March 2021 01: 54
            0
            Quote: shahor
            And to begin with, give at least a definition, what are the people?

            In fact, there are several definitions of the word "people". In this commentary, I specifically emphasized that in the meaning of "nation". Because my opponent does not distinguish between the concepts of "state", "people", "population" and "nation".
          4. shahor
            shahor 2 March 2021 11: 44
            +1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            In fact, there are several definitions of the word "people".

            I understand your point of view. Thank.
  5. Black lotos
    Black lotos 28 February 2021 21: 03
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    The backbone of the USSR was just the RSFSR - Russia.

    many key and significant figures for space were not born in the RSFSR / RF.
    Here the USSR clearly wins, uniting many more scientists and talents.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 13: 13
    -2
    hi
    Quote: Flood
    Alexey, with all due respect.
    The satellite is not Soviet. Time.
    The fact that, after a terrible rollback decades ago, Russia can produce high-tech products, even those developed in Soviet times, is not a reason for pride and not a breakthrough.

    Yes, I don’t sprinkle ashes on my head.)))) But I don’t see any reason for pride, when a satellite was put into orbit, in the USSR, they did not even write about this especially, so it was 30 years ago. For 30 years progress should have gone how far. That's what I mean, if we talk about this, then soon we will rejoice as "skakuasy" every open toilet.
    1. lucul
      lucul 28 February 2021 18: 28
      -6
      RSFSR and Russia (RF) in your opinion the same thing?

      This is what - for example, the production of batteries - has been stagnating for 200 years.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 28 February 2021 12: 23
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    A modernized Soviet rocket launched a satellite into orbit. Is this a great breakthrough and cause for pride?

    The wheel was invented seven thousand years ago, and no one says that it should be a shame to use it today. In addition, the modern launch vehicle is quite different from the models of the launch vehicle of the 80s. and this, as you say, is an ordinary event, not every country can afford. I don't think you personally are capable of more. As PA Romanov said: "Rejoice in the little, then the great will come."
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 28 February 2021 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: Hagen
      In addition, the modern launch vehicle is quite different from the models of the launch vehicle of the 80s. and this, as you say, is an ordinary event, not every country can afford.

      + reasoned
      just men are worried that they have stagnated on the spot
      were ahead of the rest of the world in astronautics
      I personally understand their feelings
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 28 February 2021 12: 40
        -8
        Quote: Flood
        just men are worried that they have stagnated on the spot

        And which of these "men" can reasonably tell what exactly the stagnation took place, i.e. to assess specifically on the material side in which direction we had chances to progress but did not use them, taking into account the economic recession of the 90s, the rupture of integration ties of the times of the USSR, external pressure on the economy in modern times, etc.? I do not think that blindly dusting one's head with ashes while howling "pro .... are polymers" is an adequate reflection of modern reality. If we analyze the comments, we can conclude that experts who have an idea of ​​the topic, in this case, avoided the discussion from the word "absolutely".
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 28 February 2021 13: 56
          0
          About stagnation ...
          Is it not obvious?
          Sometimes you just need to look back and soberly assess the current situation with the Russian space. What's in the asset?
          There is nothing to take out heavy loads. Even for the military. The remaining Protons are scheduled for previously signed contracts, the production of engines for new orders has been discontinued. The hangar is still in diapers, and it’s still a long way to the end of LCI. This year they will not be completed unambiguously. The next one is in question. For there are still 4 LCI launches ahead.
          Only Unions are available for medium loads. And then basically only for their own needs, mainly the military. Conversion doesn't count. On the international market - one major order - OneWeb. The rest is a single small thing that is not even worth mentioning.
          Maybe things are better with manned space exploration? No matter how it is.
          There is only one carrier for manned flights - the legendary royal R-7. Those. Soyuz-FG / Soyuz-2 with all modifications.
          There is also only one CC. And also a royal design. Soyuz TM / TMA / TMA-M / MS - these are only modifications.
          ALL! There is nothing else. Few? I'm surprised myself.
          The rest is in plans, projects, dreams, fantasies ...
          The rest is endless "modifications and modernization" of the Soviet legacy.
          The only promising modern Russian project - Amur-LNG - is a big question.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 14: 33
            -2
            Quote: Cosm22
            Sometimes you just need to look back and soberly assess the current situation.

            It is here that the majority of "patriotic" site visitors begin to have systemic problems. TV should be banned on pain of death, at least for a month.)))))))
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 28 February 2021 15: 57
            -2
            Quote: Cosm22
            Is it not obvious?

            Considering everything that the country went through during the collapse of the USSR, external threats and the need to pull in parallel many programs for rearmament, for reforming various sectors of the economy, social programs. All this with halved human capital. It's not so obvious. It is possible that some of the space goals have been moved to a lower place in the priority scale of tasks. It is enough to look at the amount of allocated funds, especially in comparison with competitors in space ... According to Juan and sombrero ...
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 28 February 2021 19: 29
              +4
              Why, there are no priorities! That's the problem!
              Review the FKP again. Everything is fluent, blurry, vague ... As copied from the Program of the next Congress of the CPSU.
              I repeat: the only promising project Amur-LNG has very little chance of being brought to its logical conclusion. There are a lot of reasons. I'll start listing everything - the page will not be enough.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 February 2021 17: 13
            -1
            There is only one carrier for manned flights - the legendary royal R-7. Those. Soyuz-FG / Soyuz-2 with all modifications. Soyuz 2 with R 7 has nothing in common except for the similarity of appearance, the manned Soyuz has nothing to do with all the guts and materials
            new designs. "The rest is in plans, projects, dreams, fantasies ..." Part is already in the hardware, and the rest is at the R&D stage - and you continue to whine, you are good at it.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 28 February 2021 19: 22
              +1
              Batch layout of engines is already an anachronism today in comparison with tandem. I don't even want to go into details, it's elementary. Should I tell you why Korolev was forced to go for such a scheme?
              There is no need to replace an analogue with a digit, today in Zimbabwe the natives have mobile phones.
              And you keep throwing your hats at the ceiling, you do it even better.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 February 2021 23: 51
                0
                Batch layout of engines is already an anachronism today compared to tandem. And this anachronism continues to be used by both our and foreign customers, despite all sorts of global trends that do not affect the launch and launch of the payload into orbit - all rockets have one function to put the payload into orbit, everything else is secondary.
                There is no need to replace an analogue with a digital one, today in Zimbabwe the natives have mobile phones. Well, yes - do not tell me whose production the natives have mobile phones - clearly not their own and as if they had not previously dealt with mobile phones.
          4. lucul
            lucul 28 February 2021 18: 22
            -3
            There is nothing to take out heavy loads

            What heavy loads are you going to put into orbit? )))
            The remaining Protons are scheduled for previously signed contracts, the production of engines for new orders has been discontinued. The hangar is still in diapers, and it’s still a long way to the end of LCI. This year they will not be completed unambiguously. The next one is in question. For there are still 4 launches of LKI ahead.

            Everything in balance - nothing more. Roskosmos is not the USSR, the USSR could rivet 60 !!!! tanks before their collapse - money down the drain ($ 000 billion).
            Only Unions are available for medium loads. And then basically only for their own needs, mainly the military.

            And Unions behind the eyes - cheap and angry.
            Maybe things are better with manned space exploration? No matter how it is.
            There is only one carrier for manned flights - the legendary royal R-7. Those. Soyuz-FG / Soyuz-2 with all modifications.
            There is also only one CC. And also a royal design. Soyuz TM / TMA / TMA-M / MS - these are only modifications.

            This is how it works))) The Kalashnikov assault rifle was created 60 years ago, but it is still used - any replacement is still more expensive.
            ALL! There is nothing else. Few? I'm surprised myself.
            The rest is in plans, projects, dreams, fantasies ...
            The rest is endless "modifications and modernization" of the Soviet legacy.

            Pfff .... what else can be upgraded there in chemical engines then? ))))
            Roskosmos is in full swing developing a nuclear rocket engine - the most promising direction in astronautics today. All other countries, to this level of space technology, have simply not grown up yet.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 28 February 2021 19: 11
              0
              1. Ask the military about this. If they tell you. What kind of cargo are they going to take out by the Angara. For this project is no longer needed for anything because of the cosmic cost of the carrier.
              2. This is what we are talking about. That everything is scheduled. There will be a need to withdraw a severe PN - there is nothing to withdraw. It's good at least that the proton is reserved for the planned launch of the long-suffering Science module.
              3. Nobody argues with this either. I am only saying that there is nothing else. Don't you get this idea?
              4. Also true. I have already given your colleague an example with a burdock. It also served its purpose well before the invention of toilet paper. This is Musk - a narrow-minded person. Everyone invents something new, fusses ...
              5. Pfff ... Do you have a clear understanding of the NPP operation algorithm? Do you understand the topic? What do you mean by "Roskosmos are in full swing developing a nuclear rocket engine - the most promising direction"? The recently concluded agreement between the RK and KB "Arsenal" on the Nuclon? Do you understand well what it is? I hope you know that spacecraft with nuclear power plants are unsuitable for manned flights?
              As well as the fact that the announced megawatt class of this nuclear power plant is just loud statements today? You will review the concluded agreement. The electric power of the nuclear power plant is now only "480 ± 20 kW". All!
              And that KB "Arsenal" has already solved all the problems, since "it is developing with might and main"? And dealt with UI? And will they install ID-500 ionizers? Or two dozen SPD-2?
              And how to get back to the Nucleon with a lack of delta-V? If you put SPD-230, then delta-V will be within 11,9 km / s, and you need at least 15 km / s. How to be? And if you put the ID-500, then the voiced mass of the TEM of 35 tons does not pierce in any way. The sea is inconsistent. Even now at the design stage. In general, what is being developed there with might and main, I do not know. You obviously know better.
              1. lucul
                lucul 28 February 2021 19: 25
                -7
                Pfff ... Do you have a clear understanding of the NPP operation algorithm? Do you understand the topic? What do you mean by "Roskosmos are in full swing developing a nuclear rocket engine - the most promising direction"?

                Yes, the fact that this engine can work for almost 50 years, which is an absolute fantasy for existing chemical engines.
                Why ? A lead capsule, for example, will protect against radiation.
                The electric power of the nuclear power plant is now only "480 ± 20 kW". All!

                Now multiply this by 50 years of continuous work, yes, on the first day the speed is small, but it will grow every day, thanks to the CONSTANT acceleration for 50 years. And in these 50 years it will reach fantastic speeds compared to a chemical engine.))))
                Damn, here for each of your lines you can write from a sheet. In general, were you interested in space?
                1. Cosm22
                  Cosm22 28 February 2021 21: 31
                  +2
                  I don't know - either laugh or cry ...
                  Blatant ignorance and complete ignorance of the topic.
                  If we are talking about the same thing, then you should know that the Republic of Kazakhstan allocated money to KB Arsenal exclusively for Nuclon-AP. Are you at least familiar with the concept of this device?
                  What are 50 years old, sir ??? !!! Where are you going to fly? On what?
                  Teach materiel!
                  SAS TEM - at least 3 years, including after the initial start-up of the nuclear power plant - at least 2,5 years. All! By the way, this is the ceiling in general. Despite the fact that the declared period of active existence was announced earlier at 7 years. It did not grow together.
                  As for radiation. Are you familiar with the basic concepts? Do you distinguish the radiation level from the radiation dose? Is the meaning of the clause of the agreement "not more than 2 glad for 104 hours" clear? Although personally I do not understand how you can calculate the dose for 100 hours if the CAC is 000 years. 100 steal can be attributed to the level of radiation resistance of electronics, but not to people. This is more than a hundred times more than the values ​​of the astronauts' irradiation on the ISS. And these are averaged values, note. The maximum is even higher. What thickness of lead do you suggest using? Do you know its share? And do you know what LV hulls are made of? And why? Here, at least for two launches of the Angara, push the apparatus with a normal body out of the gravity well to the target one.
                  Lead ... Well, nonsense ...
                  Read less science fiction at night. Or fairy tales.
                  The nucleon is supposed to be used only as an energy source at best. On the same moon, for example. As a transport, it has no prospects yet. Have you read the phrase in the agreement "for a period not exceeding 4800 hours"? Do you understand what I mean? That the device should finish the PN to the Moon in 200 days. Those. it will take more than half a year to handle the load. To the moon. Some unfortunate 10 tons.
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 1 March 2021 10: 08
                    -2
                    I don't know - either laugh or cry ...

                    So for me - just laugh, or cry from you - you persist where you don't need to.
                    You remind me of Zeno of Elea, with his eternal "no movement".
                    that the Republic of Kazakhstan allocated money to KB "Arsenal" exclusively for Nuclon-AP.

                    Do you know exactly what you allocated and what you didn’t? Secrecy has not been canceled.
                    Where are you going to fly? On what?
                    Teach materiel!

                    Nuclear tug - will deliver to any point in the solar system.
                    With regard to radiation. Are you familiar with the basic concepts?

                    It is.
                    This is more than a hundred times more than the values ​​of astronauts' irradiation on the ISS.

                    So you wrote this nonsense on Pikaba? Radiation on the lunar surface is 200 times higher than the radiation on Earth - these are the latest measurements by the Chinese apparatus on the moon,. Amer. Astronauts over there, they danced a jig and everyone lived to be 80 years old, but did not think of measuring radiation on the Moon))).
                    What thickness of lead do you suggest using? Do you know its specific gravity? And do you know what LV hulls are made of? And why? Here, at least two launches of the Angara, push the apparatus with a normal body out of the gravity well to the target

                    5 cm of lead reliably protect a person from large radiation.
                    Who wants - he is looking for opportunities, who does not want - he is looking for reasons. So it is with you - you see only the reasons everywhere.
                    The lead sheath can be assembled in stages in the Earth's orbit, and only then fly.
                    Lead ... Well, nonsense ..

                    Based on your logic, a nuclear powered submarine is impossible, because according to your:
                    With regard to radiation. Are you familiar with the basic concepts? Do you distinguish the radiation level from the radiation dose? Is the meaning of the clause of the agreement "not more than 2 glad for 104 hours" clear?

                    And all the divers were supposed to die from radiation?
                    The nucleon is supposed to be used only as an energy source at best. On the same moon, for example. As a transport, it has no prospects yet. Have you read the phrase in the agreement "for a period not exceeding 4800 hours"? Do you understand what I mean? That the device should finish the PN to the Moon in 200 days. Those. it will take more than half a year to handle the load. To the moon. Some unfortunate 10 tons.

                    You do not see trees in the forest - you described the option on ION engines, but there is another option for steam - when the liquid cooling the nuclear reactor evaporates into space, pushes the nuclear tug forward, and when cooled, it is assembled by the ship's hull back, to cool the reactor - such here is an open closed loop.
                  2. region58
                    region58 2 March 2021 04: 33
                    0
                    Quote: lucul
                    Radiation on the surface of the Moon is 200 times higher than radiation on Earth - these are the latest measurements of the Chinese apparatus on the Moon

                    Are you not afraid to fly by plane?
                    The authors determined that the daily dose of ionizing radiation on the Moon averages 1369 microsievert, which is about 2,6 times higher than on board the International Space Station.
                    "The radiation levels that we measured on the moon are about 200 times higher than on the surface of the Earth, and 5-10 times higher than on board a plane flying from New York to Frankfurt," the publisher said in a press release. one of the study's authors, Robert Wimmer-Schweingruber of the National Space Center of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and a fellow at the Institute of Experimental and Applied Physics, Keele University in Germany - Since astronauts will be exposed to radiation longer than passengers or pilots on transatlantic flights, this is a significant impact. "
      2. cmax
        cmax 28 February 2021 14: 21
        -2
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: Flood
        just men are worried that they have stagnated on the spot

        And which of these "men" can reasonably tell what exactly the stagnation took place, i.e. to assess specifically on the material side in which direction we had chances to progress but did not use them, taking into account the economic recession of the 90s, the rupture of integration ties of the times of the USSR, external pressure on the economy in modern times, etc.? I do not think that blindly dusting one's head with ashes while howling "pro .... are polymers" is an adequate reflection of modern reality. If we analyze the comments, we can conclude that experts who have an idea of ​​the topic, in this case, avoided the discussion from the word "absolutely".

        You just get a job at some state-owned enterprise (VGUP), you will immediately see everything for yourself. And stagnation and bureaucracy, "effective" managers in management, nepotism, incompetence. If the country continues to go this way in its development, then the results will be appropriate. One IL-76 per year, a dozen Armads, one MC21 per year, etc. etc. A few years passed from 1931 to 1945, but how the country changed.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 28 February 2021 16: 51
          0
          Quote: cmax
          And stagnation and bureaucracy, "effective" managers in management, nepotism, incompetence.

          And from what point of view do you assess incompetence? From the point of view of a locksmith, foreman, chief designer?
          Quote: cmax
          One IL-76 per year, ten Armads, one MC21 per year

          How does this relate to a supply contract? With payment for the finished sample, etc.? With the MC-21, not everything is clear at all. He is still being tested. Design changes and modifications are possible. And about the device "for some state enterprise (VGUP)", there is a saying since Soviet times - "if you love sausage, do not go to the sausage shop."
          1. cmax
            cmax 28 February 2021 17: 48
            0
            Quote: Hagen
            And from what point of view do you assess incompetence? From the point of view of a locksmith, foreman, chief designer?

            From the usual point of view, it will. When there is nothing to say in response, they find fault with the words and not the meaning of what is written.
            Quote: Hagen
            How does this relate to a supply contract? With payment for the finished sample, etc.? From MS-21

            No way, but there is a need to defend the Motherland, preferably not with words, but with deeds and new technology. So, there is not very much to see behind the verbal husks and vigorous reports. Where is the active protection of tanks in the troops, where are the new tanks and armored personnel carriers, where the DRO A100, where are the submarines with non-volatile installations. We have already written about the fleet here more than once. And a lot of other things.
            1. lucul
              lucul 28 February 2021 18: 30
              -7
              No way, but there is a need to defend the Motherland, preferably not with words, but with deeds and new technology. So, there is not very much to see behind the verbal husks and vigorous reports. Where is the active protection of tanks in the troops, where are the new tanks and armored personnel carriers, where the DRO A100, where are the submarines with non-volatile installations. We have already written about the fleet here more than once. And a lot of other things.

              And what did you PERSONALLY do for this?
              1. cmax
                cmax 28 February 2021 18: 53
                -1
                Quote: lucul
                And what did you PERSONALLY do for this?

                They will call (the starley of the reserve), then I will personally do it. But I would like to have in the hands and in the army something more weighty than protocols of intent and promises of "effective" managers.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 28 February 2021 18: 57
                  -5
                  They will call (the starley of the reserve), then I will personally do it.

                  What did you do in August 1991?
                  Let me remind you that in 1917 (the beginning of the civil war), people stood up against Soviet power without any orders from above and from outside.
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 1 March 2021 09: 23
              0
              Quote: cmax
              From the usual point of view, it will. When there is nothing to say in response, they find fault with the words and not the meaning of what is written.

              You see, I asked the question not for the purpose of nagging the words. People with different education, competence and experience have completely different points of view. The opinion of the chief engineer / designer about the management of the structure adjacent to his subdivision will be more adequate and justified than the opinion of a locksmith due to the specifics of the relationship in labor activity and the scope of competencies. All the same, in order to evaluate a specialist, one must own the questions of this specialist at least no worse than him, which is very difficult for a locksmith or just a passer-by.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 February 2021 17: 18
          -3
          "From 1931 to 1945, a few years passed, but how the country has changed." Yes, it has changed so well - the Germans destroyed 37% of the USSR, killed and left almost 28 million Soviet citizens disabled, wounded and missing, almost XNUMX million Soviet citizens are still dug up and the gifts of that "wonderful" time are still undermined, die and become disabled.
          1. cmax
            cmax 28 February 2021 19: 00
            -2
            Quote: Vadim237
            "From 1931 to 1945, a few years passed, but how the country has changed." Yes, it has changed so well - the Germans destroyed 37% of the USSR, killed and left almost 28 million Soviet citizens disabled, wounded and missing, almost XNUMX million Soviet citizens are still dug up and the gifts of that "wonderful" time are still undermined, die and become disabled.

            I know the price of that war even without you. I mean, after that terrible war, in April 62, Gagarin flew, not on a trampoline. There is a saying ... it's better to be than to seem.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 March 2021 00: 08
              0
              Actually, Gagarin flew on April 12, 1961 on a rocket originally created for the military - and spent tens of billions of rubles on the USSR space race - then there was an ideological competition for this, neither we nor the United States spared the space race - alas, the USSR began to lose the space race since The 69th United States took the lead in flights to the moon Skylab Voyagers 1,2 Space Shuttle missions to other planets space constellations of satellites Hubble telescope, etc. will be brought up to standard Starship will become the first country in the history of mankind to create and launch an interplanetary manned spacecraft and it is very possible that they will be the first to land on Mars. Alas, for Russia, the primacy in space has long been lost for which within their means they are rich and happy.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 2 March 2021 10: 20
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                Quote: Vadim237
                Alas, for Russia, the primacy in space has long been lost for which within their means are rich and happy.

                To treat space as a sport, I think, is a very primitive and not very thoughtful position. The level of presence in space must meet strategic, economic, economic and scientific objectives. Only in this should the space program and its prospects, including its financing, be assessed. We must be aware that all our efforts in space, in the development of the depths of the ocean, etc., should be closely linked to the capabilities of the country's economy and address priority tasks. You cannot embrace the immensity. In the USSR, they tried to conduct several space programs at the same time, they came to empty shelves in stores and food dependence on "partners". Garain launched into space? Do any of you remember how you lived outside the Moscow Ring Road at that time? The euphoria of flight has passed, and dirt and impassability in rural areas have not yet won. Really taught nothing?
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 12: 57
    -4
    Quote: Hagen
    I don't think you personally are capable of more. As PA Romanov said: "Rejoice in the little, then the great will come."

    How, should I design a rocket at home? How do you know what I do and what I do at home? What are you doing yourself?
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 28 February 2021 13: 28
      0
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      How do you know what I do and what I do at home?

      Exclusion method. If you really would have done something more worthy and more than this "ordinary event", then you would have erected a monument during your lifetime. And since this fact has not happened yet, you hardly have reason to reproach someone with pride in the event.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 13: 36
        -4
        Quote: Hagen
        And since this fact has not happened yet, you hardly have reason to reproach someone with pride in the event.

        Well, you will soon be proud of the opening of the next toilet. What is not a reason to grumble like "skakuas"?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 28 February 2021 13: 44
          0
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Well, you will soon be proud of the opening of the next toilet.

          For example, Germany, for example, was not worthy to build such "toilets" ... We are one of six countries that have competences in the full cycle of space exploration. What is not a source of pride. Is that the same as "toilet"? It only says that you personally did not blind a "duck" from clay with your own hands in your life. You cannot understand the joy of success in what you have done. In this case, your opinion is worthless. hi
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 13: 55
            -1
            Quote: Hagen
            Germany, for example, was not worthy to build such "toilets" ...

            You'd better compare with its standard of living.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 28 February 2021 16: 00
              0
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              You'd better compare with its standard of living.

              That's it. At their level ... they cannot, but we can. Although what can you say about it? After all, you want someone to make a breakthrough for you every day, so that it would be pleasant for you to drink beer with fanfare from the TV.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 February 2021 17: 20
      -2
      Do you know at least one CAD system - to design and design something.
    3. lucul
      lucul 28 February 2021 18: 33
      -3
      How can I design a rocket at home?

      Korolev designed the rocket, first of all, in his head. And until he came up with it in his head, it was useless for him to give people and production capacity.
  • Charik
    Charik 28 February 2021 12: 30
    -3
    Vsmysle-Soviet? Designed (or how correctly) Designed in the USSR? Or Soviet assembly?
  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 28 February 2021 12: 50
    +3
    You have the same thing in every topic about space ... a blank? Not enough thoughts for more? what
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 February 2021 13: 00
      -7
      Quote: UgoChaves
      You have the same thing in every topic about space ... a blank? Not enough thoughts for more?

      Can you refute it? Uryakayte louder, and soon as "skakuasy" we will write laudatory articles on each open toilet.
      1. slipped
        slipped 28 February 2021 13: 25
        +6
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: UgoChaves
        You have the same thing in every topic about space ... a blank? Not enough thoughts for more?

        Can disprove?


        Rocket Soyuz-2.1b:

        Modernization of the 1st and 2nd stages - in 2001, engines with new nozzle heads were installed. In 2004, the control system was replaced with a digital one.
        The new 3rd stage was developed anew in 2006, the stage used the Russian 14D23 (RD-0124) engine, developed in 1996 at KBKhA.
        RB "Fregat" - created in 2000, developed by NPO named after Lavochkin.
        Head fairing 81KS - 2009.

        So, what is Soviet there?

        Only the appearance and layout, due to the design of the launch complex. laughing
      2. Ugochaves
        Ugochaves 28 February 2021 13: 30
        +5
        You know, the internal combustion engine was invented more than 100 years ago, but no one sheds tears about this crocodile. Evolutionarily improving, efficiency, ecology, etc. The rocket industry is going the same way. Nobody has invented the hyperloop yet. laughing
        PS There seem to be no lousy odes in the article ... and no one throws caps
  • Intruder
    Intruder 28 February 2021 15: 34
    -1
    A modernized Soviet rocket launched a satellite into orbit. Is this a great breakthrough and cause for pride? Quite an ordinary event.
    30 years later, in one Euro-Asian country, this is already national jubilation and festivities, with flags and pancakes, around foam rockets in parks! winked
  • Quadro
    Quadro 28 February 2021 18: 41
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: ALSur
    Where are the trampoline jokes?

    Inappropriate? A modernized Soviet rocket launched a satellite into orbit. Is this a great breakthrough and cause for pride? Quite an ordinary event.

    Balda botovskaya, there from the Soviet district only the name remained and individual elements.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 February 2021 12: 01
    +6
    And ordering space for the striped astronaut, isn't it a trampoline?
    1. lucul
      lucul 28 February 2021 18: 38
      -3
      And ordering space for the striped astronaut, isn't it a trampoline?


      )))
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 February 2021 12: 00
    +6
    This is "Arktika-M" - a satellite designed for monitoring and remote sensing of the Arctic.

    I suppose that the striped ones will be hunted down there, and if something happens, they will throw a bump at them.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 28 February 2021 12: 16
      +2
      It is more meteorological
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 28 February 2021 12: 20
        -1
        Did he tell you this himself? fellow laughing
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 28 February 2021 12: 22
          +1
          Arktika-M, M - meteorological, weather forecast and monitoring of meteorological phenomena: wind, ice temperature, etc.!
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 28 February 2021 19: 17
            -1
            I agree, but at the same time he will look after the striped iron that flops there. Am I against meteo? laughing
      2. Charik
        Charik 28 February 2021 12: 32
        -8
        HAHAHA-meteorological, but the military does not care what the weather is like, and for this there are ground weather stations
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 28 February 2021 15: 41
          -1
          HAHAHA-meteorological, but the military does not care what the weather is like, and for this there are ground weather stations
          in the Arctic, not everywhere there are weather stations and even automatic ones, plus the satellite's coverage is always greater in terms of the surface area of ​​the Earth, the efficiency is higher, it works in the grid network, by the way - this was introduced in 2008-2009 at Roshydromet of the Russian Federation and is still successfully plowing .., in Siberia, as far as I know, former colleagues work with this simply ..., updates several times a day, you can receive from orbit, data are poured directly to forecasters, through a cheap satellite receiver, directly to the local network and to the employee's workstation. ...
  • nnm
    nnm 28 February 2021 12: 20
    +1
    The head of "Roscosmos" conducts a kind of text broadcast on this matter.

    I don't know why, but I can't imagine that Korolev would do something like that.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 28 February 2021 12: 24
      -1
      So Korolev is an outstanding engineer and thinker, and Rogozin is a journalist, manager of a state corporation, a completely different philosophy and actions) I can not imagine that Korolev would offend the Americans about their missiles, calling them trampolines!
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 28 February 2021 18: 48
        0
        Quote: hydroy
        So Korolev is an outstanding engineer and thinker, and Rogozin is a journalist, manager of a state corporation, a completely different philosophy and actions) I can not imagine that Korolev would offend the Americans about their missiles, calling them trampolines!

        What are you carrying? He did not offend them. Before you flog nonsense, understand the topic. He talked about trampolines against the background of the fuss in the United States on the topic of abandoning our engines, where he insulted amers about their missiles? It was even long before the first missile flight the mask was. So don't lie
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 28 February 2021 20: 42
          -1
          I do not care what the background was, Rogozin is nobody and to offend NASA with their programs is the height of ignorance!
        2. hydroy
          hydroy 28 February 2021 20: 43
          -1
          By the way, did you wipe away your tears? Cuadreau) And I recently cried about the American rover)
    2. slipped
      slipped 1 March 2021 00: 53
      +1
      Quote: nnm
      The head of "Roscosmos" conducts a kind of text broadcast on this matter.

      I don't know why, but I can't imagine that Korolev would do something like that.


      Korolev did not have the Internet. He would probably be glad, but who would have allowed him that. I can imagine how upset he was. His name was then declassified only after his death.
  • hydroy
    hydroy 28 February 2021 12: 20
    +9
    Congratulations to Roskosmos on a successful start!
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 28 February 2021 12: 32
    -6
    We will live better from these satellites and we will carry out sowing in time ... torrential instruments will find rains and data will be thrown off by earthlings ...
  • slipped
    slipped 28 February 2021 12: 37
    +9
    Spacecraft "Arktika-M" number 1 is in the calculated orbit, solar antennas and other elements have opened, communication with the spacecraft has been established, it is taken under control. Congratulations to Roscosmos!

    1. Intruder
      Intruder 28 February 2021 15: 50
      -1
      Spacecraft "Arktika-M" number 1 is in the calculated orbit, solar antennas and other elements have opened, communication with the spacecraft is established, it is taken under control
      A really useful device for the peaceful life of everyone: sailors and others .., as well as for air navigation, especially in the northern and southern regions of the planet, where there are no weather radars and aerological high-altitude complexes too !!!
  • Alsur
    Alsur 28 February 2021 12: 49
    +6
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: ALSur
    Where are the trampoline jokes?

    Inappropriate? A modernized Soviet rocket launched a satellite into orbit. Is this a great breakthrough and cause for pride? Quite an ordinary event.

    Americans, too, should be ashamed of the modernization of the F15, whose development was completed in 1972, and this year they rolled out the F15EX. How many years of development, or is it different. The second question is, why is Ukraine, with a plant producing space rockets under the Soviet Union, unable to do this now, even without modernization? There is such a word - competences, in Russia they exist, but Ukraine has lost them. Therefore, the argument about modernization is outdated, come up with something new.
  • slipped
    slipped 28 February 2021 12: 56
    +7
    Meanwhile, at the Baikonur cosmodrome, the refueling of the South Korean satellite CAS500-1, the main payload of the Soyuz-2 launch scheduled for March 20, has been completed. Ahead are the final operations to prepare for integration with RB "Fregat".



    Cluster launch. Many other spacecraft are being prepared for it, including several Russian small spacecraft.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 February 2021 13: 32
      +1
      By the way, about the cluster ones, there Beck fires his Photon to the fullest:
      Several satellites, different orbits, one mission? This is exactly what will happen on the next launch. After withdrawal 5 satellites into 550 km orbit, the Curie Photon engine will re-ignite to lower altitude and deploy the last custom satellite into 450 km orbit.



      Well, the last output works:
      StriX-α weighs 100 kg, is equipped with a 1 meter X-band antenna, has a resolution of 3-10 m with single polarization and a field of view of 30-30 km. There are two scanning modes: strip / strip (coverage 3 km, resolution 10 m) and sliding "spotlight" (1 km, XNUMX m).
      InSAR (interferometric SAR) technology is capable of detecting shifts of up to 1 mm at the surface without the need for ground-based measurement equipment. You can observe subsidence of the ground, its rise and other changes.


      Well, the radar Capella also flies, the mission will be expanded to 6 vehicles.

      So to speak, the future is something that used to cost billions of dollars and weighed many tons. Now it is packed into a light rocket, cleverly deployed in orbit and up to 7 years (or even more, let's see when Capella is all) works great.
      1. slipped
        slipped 28 February 2021 13: 44
        +9
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, the last output works:
        StriX-α weighs 100 kg, is equipped with a 1 meter X-band antenna, has a resolution of 3-10 m with single polarization and a field of view of 30-30 km. There are two scanning modes: strip / strip (coverage 3 km, resolution 10 m) and sliding "spotlight" (1 km, XNUMX m).
        InSAR (interferometric SAR) technology is capable of detecting shifts of up to 1 mm at the surface without the need for ground-based measurement equipment. You can observe subsidence of the ground, its rise and other changes.


        This year the Obzor-R spacecraft is planned with the Kasatka-R X-band radar. The resolution characteristics are similar, but the coverage is much wider 10 times and higher.

      2. Intruder
        Intruder 28 February 2021 15: 53
        -1
        So to speak, the future is something that used to cost billions of dollars and weighed many tons.
        Sub-SAT (s) in all their glory ..., a lot and cheap - for one LEO breeding !!!
        1. slipped
          slipped 28 February 2021 16: 25
          +5
          Quote: Intruder
          So to speak, the future is something that used to cost billions of dollars and weighed many tons.
          Sub-SAT (s) in all their glory ..., a lot and cheap - for one LEO breeding !!!


          All "garbage" on LEO have one little trouble - fragility. 2, maximum 3 years and kirdyk. To live longer, large batteries and SBs are required. Hence the weight of devices that live for five or more years from 400 kg.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 February 2021 16: 35
            -1
            All "garbage" on LEO have one little trouble - fragility. 2, maximum 3 years and kirdyk
            but light and a lot of them can be shoved under the fairing of a light and medium launch vehicle, and "thrown" at LEO - cheap and cheerful, and so every 2-3 years, and then yes ..., it is necessary to "throw new ..."! The peculiarity of this solution, or from half a ton to drag into orbit, with all sorts of booster blocks and an expensive price tag, in addition !?
            1. slipped
              slipped 28 February 2021 16: 42
              +6
              Quote: Intruder
              but light and a lot of them can be shoved under the fairing of a light and medium launch vehicle, and "thrown" on the LEO - cheap and cheerful, and so every 2-3 years, and then yes ..., it is necessary to "throw new ..."!


              You forgot about the target load - it is by no means cheap, let's say - not much cheaper than its older counterparts. In addition, due to low energy, there are restrictions on operation.

              Quote: Intruder
              The peculiarity of this solution, or from half a ton to drag into orbit, with all sorts of booster blocks and an expensive price tag, to boot !?


              The above-mentioned "Photon" is precisely the launching unit, since the market requires the placement of satellites into orbits with different inclination. As for putting 500 kg into orbit without an upper stage, then in this case there is a solution - to use the third stage engine, in this case 14D23 in deep throttling mode and launch satellites into the target orbit at low thrust.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 28 February 2021 13: 00
    +2
    .. "The Arktika-M satellites will allow analyzing the state of the Arctic ice, weather changes, the state of the Northern Sea Route along its entire length. Monitoring is round-the-clock and all-weather ..." ...)))
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 28 February 2021 13: 13
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      And what is under the ice, then he also sees? ...)))

      What an interesting and secret question)
    2. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 28 February 2021 13: 41
      +2
      Arktika-M is a satellite designed for monitoring and remote sensing of the Arctic. For the uninformed. In fact, it is a radar that operates in multiple frequency bands and infrared. That quite allows itself to monitor the movement of ice and changes in their thickness. It does not plow deeply, but if we consider that modern icebreakers do not take more than 2 meters, this is quite enough.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 28 February 2021 16: 04
        -4
        In fact, it is a radar operating in several frequency ranges and infrared range.
        infrared radiation does not lie in the radio frequency spectrum of the radar, somehow, here !. wink
        1. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 28 February 2021 16: 19
          +2
          Infrared radiation is a type of electromagnetic radiation that occupies the range from 0,77 to 340 microns in the spectrum of electromagnetic waves. In this case, the range from 0,77 to 15 microns is considered shortwave, from 15 to 100 microns - medium wave, and from 100 to 340 - longwave.
          Well, don't be stupid! I still work with all ranges.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 February 2021 16: 25
            -1
            Well, don't be stupid! I still work with all ranges.
            X-band and Ku and others in the radio spectrum viz, colleague laughing !? Where did you find the IR spectrum of electromagnetic waves, by the way, they are all electromagnetic, except for acoustic / hydraulic, etc. and others, such as: gravitational ... wink !? I am already scared for Russian radar, I myself worked from 3 cm at the MRL-5 in my youth, even I did not notice the infrared radiation there, on the irradiator of the antenna-feeder device mirror ... from the word completely !!! recourse
            1. seregin-s1
              seregin-s1 28 February 2021 18: 11
              -2
              operating in multiple frequency bands and infrared

              Thank God you weren't engaged in satellites ...
              1. Quadro
                Quadro 28 February 2021 18: 51
                -2
                Quote: seregin-s1
                operating in multiple frequency bands and infrared

                Thank God you weren't engaged in satellites ...

                But to pour slop on Roskosmos and Rogozin, he is a lot, what for him some frequencies and ranges, it's easier to cry.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 28 February 2021 20: 02
                  0
                  But to pour slop on Roskosmos and Rogozin, he is a lot, what for him some frequencies and ranges, it's easier to cry.
                  not slops - but well-deserved criticism, when there is something, but it clearly does not concern you, you can relax! winked laughing If so, subtly joked about:
                  what for him some frequencies and ranges
                  Give an example, radar operating in the infrared range! ???
              2. Intruder
                Intruder 28 February 2021 19: 59
                0
                operating in multiple frequency bands and infrared
                Radar operating in infrared range, well, it's sad ... !!! wink
                Thank God you weren't engaged in satellites ...
                are you doing !? then, the questions are removed themselves .., my bow, well now ... hi
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  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 28 February 2021 13: 43
    +1
    Quote: Dikson
    And what is under the ice, then he also sees? ...)))

    He sees, sees, only he will not tell anyone about it laughing
  • stels_07
    stels_07 28 February 2021 13: 43
    -4
    Since the wind was at its limit, then it would have been possible to move and not risk people's money.
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 28 February 2021 14: 07
    +4
    Congratulations to Roscosmos!
    No matter what they say, but a successful launch is a joyful event that confirms that the competencies in the industry have been preserved and there is something to start from for the next steps in space.
    And they will, sooner or later, and those who start "catching up and overtaking" - it will be easier to do this with a base.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 28 February 2021 14: 45
    -5
    Everyone is worried. Some have "seven minutes of horror". So they once again land the rover. And we have been circling the Earth for 60 years, and they also doubt success. Stagnation and recession. And theft. hi
    1. mark021105
      mark021105 28 February 2021 15: 04
      +2
      Want to go to Mars too? What for?
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 28 February 2021 15: 40
        -6
        This is called progress. When the USSR also sent the AU to the Moon, Venus, Mars. They walked in range and complexity. These "figures" in order to somehow justify their existence (Roskosmos), to save state subsidies, chose the simplest, and debugged like clockwork (in the USSR) -revolution around the Earth. hi
        1. slipped
          slipped 28 February 2021 16: 54
          +6
          Quote: fa2998
          These "figures" in order to somehow justify their existence (Roskosmos), to preserve state subsidies, chose the simplest, and debugged like clockwork (in the USSR) - a rotation around the Earth. hi


          And think with your head? It is the applied satellites orbiting the Earth that are used for people in their daily lives. Communication satellites, navigation, or something like this - remote sensing of the Earth. This is for real - space - for people!

          And not some kind of "high matter", interesting only to eggheads or just hyip before a diploma with pictures for the sake of "seven minutes of horror." laughing Joke.

          There is fundamental science, and there is applied use - to compare, and even more so to reproach it is stupid - these are different directions in astronautics.
    2. slipped
      slipped 28 February 2021 15: 12
      +6
      Quote: fa2998
      Everyone is worried. Some have "seven minutes of horror". So they once again land the rover. And we have been circling the Earth for 60 years, and they also doubt success.


      There it is horror-horror, and then there is a slight excitement due to inclement weather and no "doubts of success." And by the way, the notorious rover took off from the Earth on Russian-made engines. laughing
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 28 February 2021 15: 48
        -5
        Well, the same engine was invented in the USSR (and not under Rogozin), your engine needs money and time. It is spent on an object that is disposable and works for a few minutes, but everyone would buy it here. This does not mean their helplessness, but a smart market move. hi
        1. slipped
          slipped 28 February 2021 16: 13
          +4
          Quote: fa2998
          Well, the same engine was invented in the USSR (and not under Rogozin), your engine needs money and time.


          This engine was developed in the mid-90s and was sold by the AmRoss joint venture, as it used few Lockheed technologies. It would be the height of stupidity not to use the groundwork for engines created earlier in our part.

          Quote: fa2998
          It is spent on an object that is disposable and works for a few minutes, but here it is sold, everyone would buy. This does not mean their helplessness, but a smart market move hi


          Thus, NPO Energomash also earned money on the launch of this rover. Smart market move. I'll tell you a secret - Rosatom too. laughing
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 28 February 2021 16: 11
        -2
        And by the way, the notorious rover took off from the Earth on Russian-made engines.
        and sat down, with the help of the "Sky Crane", or rather a traction platform already on his own, for interested comrades:
        After braking with a parachute, at an altitude of about 1.8 km, moving at a speed of about 100 m / s, the rover and the descent vehicle separated from the capsule with the parachute. The descent vehicle is a platform above the rover with variable thrust hydrazine monopropellant rocket motors mounted on rods protruding from the platform to slow the descent. The engines of this module were developed from the engines used on the Viking lander (Mars Lander Engine). Each of the 8 created thrust up to 3,1 kN. At this time, the rover was transferred from the flight configuration (folded state) to the landing configuration, while descending on the "sky crane" under the traction platform.
        Sky crane: The Sky crane system gently lowered the rover wheels down onto the surface of Mars. The system consisted of 3 ropes lowering the rover and an electrical cable connecting the traction module and the research vehicle. Having lowered the rover about 7.5 m below the traction module, the system stopped smoothly, and the rover touched the surface. After 2 seconds, necessary to confirm that the rover was on a solid surface, the device cut the cables and electric cables with the help of pyro-knives. The detached traction platform flew at a distance of at least 150 meters and made a hard landing there, and the rover began preparations for moving around the planet ...
        1. slipped
          slipped 28 February 2021 16: 35
          +7
          Quote: Intruder
          and sat down, with the help of the "Sky Crane", or rather the traction platform already on his own,


          Our planetary Martian scientific platform of the second part of the ExoMars project will take off "on its own" (LV "Proton-M") and land too. For those interested - the 255D.001 landing engine for the landing module.

          1. Intruder
            Intruder 28 February 2021 16: 39
            -3
            the scientific platform of the second part of the ExoMars project will take off "on its own" ("Proton-M" launch vehicle) and land too. For those interested - the 255D.001 landing engine for the landing module.
            let's see how it works with these engines, God forbid, to successfully and gently in a given square, and maybe ... then in a small biotechnological block - "our apple tree will bloom on Mars ...", even a tear came ... fair!!! fool
          2. Dikson
            Dikson 28 February 2021 18: 38
            0
            Please remind me how many successful missions to Mars have we had? Just as we didn’t know how to land on the Red Planet, so, in fact, we don’t know how .. time will tell, of course .. I am impressed by your office optimism and attitude. By the way, the Turks also gathered on the moon on their rocket ..))) Thank you for not being like many commentators here, for whom our lunar rover half a century ago was a tremendous achievement. and several successfully completed and working American rovers - "unjustified show-off", "stupidity", "passed stage" and squandering of funds .. Why does no one think that just a successful landing for future flights is being practiced?
            1. slipped
              slipped 28 February 2021 18: 59
              +3
              Quote: Dikson
              Please remind me how many successful missions to Mars have we had?


              AMS with landing craft 1971-1973:

              Mars-2 - PA crashed during landing due to an error in the station's onboard computer.
              Mars 3 - PA successfully landed, the world's first landing on Mars. At the moment the photo-television equipment began to work and the information was transmitted, after one and a half seconds, the device was covered by a dust storm and the signal was interrupted.
              Mars-6,7 - the AMC is out of order when flying to Mars, as a result of a malfunction of the calculators due to substandard EEE. The lander was not used.

              Quote: Dikson
              Just as we did not know how to land on the Red Planet, so, in fact, we do not know how .. time will tell of course ..


              Mars-3 - landed on Mars. At the other two stations, it simply did not come to this. Our spacecraft landed beautifully on the Moon and Venus.

              Quote: Dikson
              I am impressed by your office optimism and attitude.


              What does "service" mean? I just saw how the landing gear of the landing module was being worked out. Convincing enough.
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 28 February 2021 19: 12
                0
                The fact of the matter is that both the Moon and Venus were quite successful projects .. And Mars .. one and a half seconds of work on the surface in 50 years can hardly be considered an achievement ..
                1. slipped
                  slipped 28 February 2021 19: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Dikson
                  And Mars .. one and a half seconds of surface work in 50 years can hardly be considered an achievement ..


                  Can. Don't forget that this was in 1971. And before that no one had landed on Mars. Now landing on Mars looks different and is done differently. Although the Americans have already lost their Mars Polar Lander in modern times. As well as ESA "Beagle-2" and "Schiapareli".
          3. fa2998
            fa2998 28 February 2021 19: 47
            -2
            It is necessary to write a book about our plans. Hundreds of projects, models of pictures. You can also make a website, include 3D infographics. All that "planned" for 20 years - the brochure will not fit, you need to write a solid book, possibly in several volumes. laughing No.
            1. slipped
              slipped 28 February 2021 23: 17
              +1
              Quote: fa2998
              We need to write a book about our plans. Hundreds of projects


              Seriously? And in my opinion you are talking. Everything that is planned in the current federal space program for 2016-2025 is being implemented. Read the program https://www.roscosmos.ru/22347/
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 28 February 2021 18: 57
      -2
      Quote: fa2998
      Everyone is worried. Some have "seven minutes of horror". So they once again land the rover. And we have been circling the Earth for 60 years, and they also doubt success. Stagnation and recession. And theft. hi

      Another whining of a person who needs 5 minutes of anger and malice. If you were not a typical commentary whiner, you would know that a Russian-European apparatus has long been located near Mars, which has already made 2 discoveries and it was our modules that did everything for this. But the whiner needs us to throw the tractor there, so that we throw up money on what can be obtained from orbit.
  • Yves762
    Yves762 28 February 2021 15: 13
    -5
    No.
    Very loud for, 50 years already, an ordinary event.
    fool
    He seriously does not understand how pitiful he is against the background of the same Chinese and mattress makers, Japanese !? It would be better if I drowned my mobile in the outhouse, which I had long grown to, than to dishonor on the air.
    1. fa2998
      fa2998 28 February 2021 16: 09
      -4
      They desperately need "more victories" laughing Some solemnly open bus stops, garbage cans, and other other things. It all depends on the cut budget. These account for "victories" in the already paved and mastered road to near space (under Korolev). So that they do not forget when dividing the next budget hi
  • lucul
    lucul 28 February 2021 18: 46
    -1
    Quote: lucul
    RSFSR and Russia (RF) in your opinion the same thing?

    This is what - for example, the production of batteries - has been stagnating for 200 years.

    The error must be
    In 30 years progress, how far did it have to go?

    It depends on what - for example, the production of batteries - stagnation for 200 years.
  • Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 28 February 2021 20: 19
    +1
    Watched live, powerful of course good
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico 2 March 2021 07: 31
    0
    Either these were the wrong shots, or there was no strong wind there. The steam moves so-so calmly, no rushes. Rogozin lied again.