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"Will suit everyone": Berlin is ready to offer Washington a compromise on "Nord Stream - 2"

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"Will suit everyone": Berlin is ready to offer Washington a compromise on "Nord Stream - 2"

The German government has prepared a compromise option for Nord Stream 2, negotiations on it are planned to be held in the near future. This is reported by Vzglyad with reference to the German political scientist Alexander Rahr.


According to the German expert, Berlin has prepared a solution to the gas pipeline, which will suit both Germany and the United States, and also takes into account the interests of Kiev. Negotiations between Angela Merkel and Joe Biden regarding the gas pipeline are planned, but the exact date has not yet been determined.

Serious negotiations on Nord Stream 2 between Joe Biden and Angela Merkel are not underway yet, they have yet to do so. But the most acceptable option for Germany is already clear

- said the political scientist.

According to the political scientist, as part of a compromise option, Germany will offer the following: Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine, while at the same time advocating the early completion of the construction of a gas pipeline to diversify fuel supplies. In addition, Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the United States. Germany is confident that this option will suit all parties.

At the same time, Rahr is confident that in the future, Nord Stream 2 will completely replace gas transit through the Ukrainian territory for one, but very simple reason - the Ukrainian gas transportation system is extremely outdated and in a deplorable state.

Ukraine needs to carry out a tremendous amount of work to modernize the entire gas transportation system, but it has neither the money nor the will to do this. And she does not want to take foreign money, Russian or Western, because then she will have to share the profit, and Ukraine still wants to receive one

- added the German political scientist.

Earlier, Berlin announced that it was considering four options for Nord Stream 2.
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 27 February 2021 10: 26
    +25
    Will the Americans be satisfied with such a decision? They want to hang Ukraine around the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 27 February 2021 10: 29
      +2
      I think the old man will refuse the old woman. Not for the purpose of slowing down construction, so that it would be convenient for everyone.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 February 2021 10: 33
        +4
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I think the old man will refuse the old woman. Not for the purpose of slowing down construction, so that it would be convenient for everyone.

        The old man realized that it would be impossible to break the gasket, so an inconvenient agreement had to be hanged on the EU.
        1. Temples
          Temples 27 February 2021 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          They want to hang Ukraine around the neck of Russia

          It's the most important.

          At the moment, Ukrainians live off transit.
          The Russians are paying for this transit.

          If there is SP-2, then the transit through the land where the ho.khly settled can be closed.
          The money will run out, and take off with a high probability the project will end ukro_khokhlya, India because no one wants to contain these Russophobes.
          1. Maikcg
            Maikcg 27 February 2021 11: 33
            0
            There, in the best years, there were up to 3 billion in total, it is even difficult to survive on this. (Well, apart from top management, of course, there will be enough here, probably, but this is not certain.) More important is the pressure in the pipe, which supports the operation of the networks tied to the highway in the district. And work on the physical reverse.
          2. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 27 February 2021 12: 11
            +4
            Somehow tired of Ukraine Three days ago I called my classmate at the academy in Kiev, I wanted to support him morally, because he is like we’re dying there in the Square He is also a military pensioner And he gives me a photo from Egypt Type I was tired of winter in Kiev, decided to warm up And my wife and I yesterday went to the store Almost 2 thousand left, but there is nothing to look at We live together
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 27 February 2021 12: 35
              +3
              "Will suit everyone": Berlin is ready to offer Washington a compromise on "Nord Stream - 2"
              As always, they forgot one "insignificant detail" - the opinion of Russia. lol
              1. tank64rus
                tank64rus 27 February 2021 19: 16
                +4
                Payments to military pensions from official sources. For comparison, you can in cu. , well, the cost of living in Egypt. In Russia, military pensioners survive, but I don’t think it’s better in Ukraine.
                1. Sergey Nikiforov
                  Sergey Nikiforov 27 February 2021 21: 42
                  0
                  In Latvia, military officers receive 525 euros from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation personally saw the payment And as for Egypt, the flight is very cheap Well, our military pensions are both a warrant officer of the Armed Forces with 15-16 thousand, and a major sledak from the Ministry of Internal Affairs with 18 thousand So do not really envy
                  1. TANKISTONE
                    TANKISTONE 28 February 2021 16: 52
                    0
                    They fly h / z RB, it turns out cheaper. In Egypt, before the pandemic, I also saw a lot of vacationers from Wu. There are also many flights at the airport.
              2. hydrox
                hydrox 28 February 2021 11: 26
                0
                Arrogance, exclusivity, a terrible resentment and posture with the letter "G" - these are the character traits of "historical Europeanness" (in some barnyards, genetics were formed!) Weigh on this cartel (separate) agreement!
                But now with what frequency will this old rusted corpse iron begin to tear on the export routes! yes hi
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 27 February 2021 16: 14
              +4
              Do not whine. "Academician". Do not wind up in the Russian Federation, go to Ukraine .. and to Egypt "go" and to Vienna "drink coffee".
              1. Sergey Nikiforov
                Sergey Nikiforov 27 February 2021 17: 02
                -6
                Yes, there are already a lot of people like me. If you send everyone, who will you stay with?
            3. IvaNik
              IvaNik 27 February 2021 21: 42
              +1
              An old Jew comes to the urologist. Doctor, I'm 65 and I can only be with my wife once a week, what should I do? Oh yes it is very good at your age! My neighbor Moishe is 75 and he says he gets along with his wife 3 times a week. Abram Moiseevich, who doesn't let you speak for more?
              And at the expense of the military pension, as one movie hero said: - Who is the mare's bride. We must live within our means.
              Isn't Egypt quarantined? And Ukraine is also kind of closed until Easter.
              1. Sergey Nikiforov
                Sergey Nikiforov 27 February 2021 22: 24
                -1
                Egypt is not closed, at least it is easy to fly from Ukraine.In general, flights to and from Europe are cheap.My wife and I always moved to Vilnius before quarantine, and from there, and for 40 euros, you should. so who is to blame that his native state cut him 13-14 thousand and how to live?
          3. prior
            prior 27 February 2021 12: 42
            +7
            If the European Union and Washington are so concerned about Ukraine, then all contracts for the supply of oil and gas must begin and end at the Russian border. You have an association with Ukraine, that's all.
            Who will pay Ukraine for transit, whether it steals or not, in what condition this or that pipe is, we should not concern and worry at all. Carry them in barrels or in bulk.
            And let these "scorpions" sort out their bank themselves, but all deliveries are prepaid.
            And money ahead.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 27 February 2021 15: 20
              0
              Quote: prior
              And let these "scorpions" sort out their bank themselves, but all deliveries are prepaid.
              And money ahead.

              After water supply to the SCC. You have described the conditions so well that one can only guess who in Russia is not satisfied with this and why Russia is obliged to pump gas through Ukraine at the request of overseas radio listeners.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 27 February 2021 11: 05
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I think the old man will refuse the old woman... Not for the purpose of slowing down construction, so that it would be convenient for everyone.

        Who knows how to know. Seeing that the construction of the project is moving towards completion, I think it is not in the old man's interests to categorically demand that the SP-2 stop. in the event of its completion, it will be possible to ascertain the fact of Beadon's political impotence, and therefore to squeeze out the most acceptable conditions from the current situation is the best option for Beadon. And he promoted his interest in LNG, and did not quarrel with Germany, and it seems like he forced Russia to continue pumping through Ukraine, and demonstrated to his electorate that he decided politically. So the grandfather will accept the conditions of Germany in order to get out of the dead-end confrontation and at the same time save his face.
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        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 February 2021 12: 14
          -1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          So the grandfather will accept the conditions of Germany in order to get out of the dead-end confrontation and at the same time save his face.

          Grandfather "Uncle Tom's son" may understand, but his brothers do not understand, but rather do not want to understand.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 27 February 2021 12: 43
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            So the grandfather will accept the conditions of Germany in order to get out of the dead-end confrontation and at the same time save his face.

            Grandfather "Uncle Tom's son" may understand, but his brothers do not understand, but rather do not want to understand.
            You underestimate the mattresses. They are generally masters of creating a "product" called a problem, which they then manage to "sell" on favorable terms for themselves and "to the delight" of the one in relation to whom this problem was created. "Terpila" is led to the fact that he will be happy despite the fact that this is to the detriment of his interests. In fact, if the construction of the SP-2 went as planned, the mattresses would hardly get their share of the EU gas market for their LNG, because pipeline gas is always cheaper. Having created a problem and imposed sanctions on the project participants, they will now "yield", but for market share. Yes, they didn’t manage to squeeze out the entire market, but it turns out that they have already partially achieved what they wanted + hung on Russia’s neck the obligation, at least for some time, to support Ukraine on transit money. The carrot and carrot policy towards the EU works better than the carrot policy alone.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 February 2021 12: 51
              0
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              You underestimate the mattresses. They are generally masters of creating a "product" called a problem, which they then manage to "sell"

              The question "Did you live there." I lived.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 27 February 2021 13: 16
                +2
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                You underestimate the mattresses. They are generally masters of creating a "product" called a problem, which they then manage to "sell"

                The question "Did you live there." I lived.

                The answer is not living.
                The question is - why did you decide that they are creating a problem for themselves?
                I wrote that they create problems for others and sell them a "solution" to this problem, but already as their "concession". All the costs and losses of mattresses are passed on to the "terpila", and at the same time they get what they want.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 27 February 2021 13: 19
                  -1
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  The answer is not living.
                  The question is - why did you decide that they are creating a problem for themselves?

                  Yes, in life they are.
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 27 February 2021 13: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  The answer is not living.

                  And they answer me that I do not understand well, because it is forbidden for me to write on the site "doo ......."
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 27 February 2021 15: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    And they answer me that I do not understand well, because it is forbidden for me to write on the site "doo ......."

                    And you write
                    Дdemeaning,
                    Уunique,
                    Рyes,
                    Аmbicious,
                    Кcompanion.
                    And the person is pleased and did not screw up yes
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 27 February 2021 16: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      And the person is pleased and did not screw up

                      Which is what I try to do, but it does not always work, again three.
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 27 February 2021 11: 12
        0
        Ukraine needs to carry out a tremendous amount of work to modernize the entire gas transportation system, but it has neither the money nor the will to do this. And she does not want to take foreign money, Russian or Western, because then she will have to share the profit, and Ukraine still wants to receive one
        America also does not need SP2, since the Banderlog will steal gas, disrupt supplies, inflicting tsuron on Russia, in addition, SP2 will strengthen the positions of Russia and the European Union, which is also not in the interests of the United States.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 February 2021 13: 55
          0
          Quote: Balu
          America also does not need SP2, since Banderlog will steal gas, disrupt supplies, inflicting tsuron on Russia

          And immediately you minus from the Democrats, I expect praise for myself.
    2. figwam
      figwam 27 February 2021 10: 32
      +7
      Quote: APASUS
      They want to hang Ukraine on the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU

      The GTS of the outskirts should disappear, Russia will not feed the Nazis and Bandera.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 27 February 2021 10: 37
        +2
        Why would the GTS disappear? It will come in handy. Do they need gas for their needs? So they will download from Slovakia.
        1. nnm
          nnm 27 February 2021 10: 50
          +3
          From Slovakia? wink Out of that 30 km of the appendix of the Russian pipe, which in a small segment specifically engages the territory of Slovakia? laughing
          But in fact, the bulk of transit is just paper transit without physical movement of gas from the Ukrainian GTS to the territory of other states - that is, conditional Slovakia buys gas from Gazprom in a Russian pipeline and at the same delivery point sells it to Ukraine with a 20-30% markup , which is divided into the pockets of the participants in the transaction.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 27 February 2021 10: 52
            +2
            And all these years I thought that deposits were discovered in Slovakia.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 27 February 2021 10: 55
              +2
              Quote: Pereira
              And all these years I thought that deposits were discovered in Slovakia.

              opened, pumped out the next day and closed
          2. Avior
            Avior 27 February 2021 10: 57
            +2
            It’s impossible. Gazprom sells gas not at the Ukrainian border, but at the EU border, and metering devices for gas supplied to the EU are already in the EU, so gas from the Ukrainian GTS must physically enter the EU to these metering devices.
            1. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 27 February 2021 12: 33
              +1
              Why is it impossible? Gas from the pipe is distributed through the local GTS on the territory of Ukraine, where it is convenient, gas is taken from the meters in Europe, and through a small ring it is again fed to the meters, restoring the balance. And the people are being told that gas comes from Europe, and that they have to pay steeply for transit. Money is divided according to concepts. The circuit is as simple as a crowbar.
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 February 2021 16: 09
            0
            Quote: nnm
            that is, conditional Slovakia buys gas from Gazprom in a Russian pipeline and at the same delivery point sells it to Ukraine with a 20-30% mark-up, which is divided into the pockets of the parties to the transaction.
            Reply
            Quote

            That to it is, dollars to the computer do not smell.
        2. figwam
          figwam 27 February 2021 10: 50
          0
          Quote: Pereira
          Why would the GTS disappear?

          Because no one will pour money into its reconstruction, and the outskirts do not have that kind of money, so they will hand it over to black metal and the fairy tale is over.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 February 2021 13: 21
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Russia will not feed the Nazis and Bandera.


        The answer is correct.
    3. Fedor Sokolov
      Fedor Sokolov 27 February 2021 10: 36
      -1
      Hanging Ukraine around the EU's neck will not work for two reasons: firstly, some of the members of the union will have to cut off financial subsidies and it will certainly not be Western European countries, as a result of which the same Poland and the Tribaltic tigers will sharpen their teeth on Ukraine and will no longer be so friendly to it, and secondly, the economies of the EU countries are now in stagnation and are going through hard times.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 February 2021 10: 40
        +3
        Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
        Hanging Ukraine around the EU's neck won't work

        It will turn out how it turned out to hang the Baltic States, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland around the EU's neck. In general terms, they are in the EU, and they carry out orders from Washington
    4. nnm
      nnm 27 February 2021 10: 43
      +3
      Germany will propose the following: Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine, while advocating the early completion of the pipeline to diversify fuel supplies. In addition, Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the United States.

      Will not suit. In fact, the US is virtually indifferent to these increased gas supplies. They need something completely different - a complete, undoubted, non-negotiable political, economic, geostrategic dominant influence on Europe. That year they themselves will dictate volumes, policies, prices, and whatever.
      Therefore, Germany and Austria need to decide only one question - is it ready to take the first step towards real independence. Or, as a result, emerging and cheaper Asian manufacturers will simply oust old Europe from all markets. Will Europe continue to be a vassal of the United States. Here is the price of the issue. Everything else is not the crux of the matter.
      And Ukraine, out of its meager mind, does not understand that the USA does not need their GTS either. The United States will carry out supplies bypassing it, on the contrary, even increasing the price of the supplied liquefied gas supplied through the conditional Poland. And there will be no transit anyway. The United States wants to cut off Europe from Russian supplies
    5. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 27 February 2021 10: 48
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Will the Americans be satisfied with such a decision? They want to hang Ukraine around the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU


      Of course it will, the key here:

      Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine


      Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the USA


      who will pay for transit? Russia is obvious. And I would not count on the old age of the Ukrainian GTS, American / European companies will come, repair the pipe and share the profit from transit ... and in this scheme, I do not see any benefit for our country, i.e. The Americans will be able to support Ukraine at our expense + in addition to the profit from transit, Gazprom will have to conclude contracts with Naftogaz (for pumping transit and purchasing gas directly to Ukraine), as a result, Ukraine will buy gas from Russia and not from European / American with a surcharge .... i.e. ... the benefits for Ukraine are obvious here.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 February 2021 10: 57
        0
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        who will pay for transit? Russia is obvious. And I would not count on the old age of the Ukrainian GTS, American / European companies will come, repair the pipe and share the profit from transit ... and in this scheme, I do not see any benefit for our country, i.e. The Americans will be able to support Ukraine at our expense + in addition to the profit from transit, Gazprom will have to conclude contracts with Naftogaz (for pumping transit and purchasing gas directly to Ukraine), as a result, Ukraine will buy gas from Russia and not from European / American with a surcharge .... i.e. ... the benefits for Ukraine are obvious here.

        So I would not count on investments in the Ukrainian GTS.
        1 The technical resource is exhausted, now the systems are more economical, billions are required to update it. And given the fact that by pumping a minimum volume of gas, Russia can make this enterprise unprofitable at all, there are not many prospects. The instability of the power itself in Ukraine, as an indicator development.
        2 The Americans need Ukraine as a springboard against the Russians, no changes are foreseen in the US government and policy. Everyone understands perfectly well that in Ukraine you can lose any investment, so what kind of investment are you talking about?
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 27 February 2021 11: 09
          -3
          Quote: APASUS
          So I would not count on investments in the Ukrainian GTS.
          1 The technical resource is exhausted, now the systems are more economical, billions are required to update it. And given the fact that by pumping a minimum volume of gas, Russia can make this enterprise unprofitable at all, there are not many prospects. The instability of the power itself in Ukraine, as an indicator development.
          2 The Americans need Ukraine as a springboard against the Russians, no changes are foreseen in the US government and policy. Everyone understands perfectly well that in Ukraine you can lose any investment, so what kind of investment are you talking about?


          I think so, the United States, together with the EU, will oblige Russia to pump a certain amount of gas through the Ukrainian GTS, i.e. You won't be able to outsmart here, Americans are far from stupid just to believe the promises of Germany and then watch how Russia pumps the minimum wage through the Ukrainian pipe .... regarding the repair of the pipe, how bad is it? Maybe it will be in good condition for another 20-30 years and you will not have to spend money on its repair and modernization, and then, as the time comes, American / European companies will come and under the guarantees (of the Americans) they will make repairs ... provided, of course, that the Americans it will be possible to oblige Russia to pump gas through the Ukrainian GTS. As for Ukraine's impermanence ... now it is completely under external control, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
          1. Maikcg
            Maikcg 27 February 2021 11: 41
            -1
            They will come, make repairs, give a penny and leave, leaving the non-profit Tarasik to collect (and leave in his pocket) tribute from the pipe on his own.
            And then Tarasik kicks the Zhinka and yells
      2. Avior
        Avior 27 February 2021 11: 07
        -4
        Transit through the Ukrainian GTS will lead to a decrease in transit volumes through JV2, that is, to an increase in the cost of transit. This directly affects the interests of Gazprom, and the Germans will not suffer from this - the cost of delivery lies with Gazprom. Investors in JV2 receive their own fixed percentage of income, regardless of the volume of transportation on JV2.
        It is strange that Gazprom is silent when, without it, behind its back, the Germans and Americans are going to negotiate a reduction in its profits.
        And given the fact that JV2 was conceived as a way to deprive Ukraine of the transit of Russian gas, the voiced agreement looks doubly strange for Gazprom.
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 27 February 2021 11: 22
          -2
          Quote: Avior
          It is strange that Gazprom is silent when, without it, behind its back, the Germans and Americans are going to negotiate a reduction in its profits.


          just about, but in reality, there is more politics than economics. If Biden comes to an agreement with Merkel, then there will already be negotiations between Merkel and Putin where she will set conditions for gas purchases ... and then everything will depend on the position of the GDP, give the go-ahead - then Gazprom will sign / extend the contract for transit through the Ukrainian GTS and go to it nowhere.
        2. CommanderDIVA
          CommanderDIVA 27 February 2021 11: 56
          +2
          "Transit through the Ukrainian GTS will lead to a decrease in transit volumes through JV2, that is, to an increase in the cost of transit" - an unsubstantiated conclusion, after December 2024, the transit of our gas to the European Union through your GTS will stop, all surpluses will go to JV 1 and JV 2, Although Merkel is completely under the Americans, German business is vitally interested in our gas, increasing its supplies, JV 2 will be completed, so do not hope to forever sit on Russian money from the transit of our gas through your territory, I would recommend that you consider alternative fuel sources for the population: coal, wood briquettes, the example of Scandinavia to help you
        3. Brturin
          Brturin 27 February 2021 12: 17
          0
          Quote: Avior
          Transit through the Ukrainian GTS will lead to a decrease in transit volumes through JV2

          It will depend on the demand in Europe, but in addition to the Ukrainian one, there is also the Polish transit Yamal-Europe, and the contract on it has already expired and the parties switched to booking capacities for a certain period ... while they booked for a year ... with all the "diligence" about the preservation of Ukrainian transit, somehow there is no such concern about the Poles ... and the option of transferring capacities from this direction to SP-2
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 February 2021 13: 24
          0
          Quote: Avior
          This directly affects the interests of Gazprom, and the Germans will not suffer from this - the cost of delivery lies with Gazprom. Investors in JV2 receive their own fixed percentage of income, regardless of the volume of transportation on JV2.

          And what will Ukraine get ??? Shish.
    6. The popuas
      The popuas 27 February 2021 11: 01
      -1
      Will suit everyone except Russia
    7. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 February 2021 11: 30
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      They want to hang Ukraine on the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU

      The states are greedy, they will hang everything on the EU. The question "Who needs Ukraine?"
    8. Mini Mokik
      Mini Mokik 27 February 2021 11: 31
      +1
      I think everything is simple here. The Germans are in the know, gas in the states is barely enough for themselves at this stage. So you can promise us with three boxes. Finish the main stream.
    9. Thrifty
      Thrifty 27 February 2021 12: 38
      0
      The Yankees will be satisfied with only one option - Europe, sitting on American shale gas, and for this they will continue to squeeze dissent in Europe.
    10. venik
      venik 27 February 2021 15: 23
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Will the Americans be satisfied with such a decision?

      ========
      If they arrange it, it will not suit it .... While they are talking, you look and the gas pipeline will be built on the sly ... And then ... - The gas transportation system of Ukraine is indeed in a deplorable state ... In a few years, the issue of pumping gas through Ukraine will disappear yourself .....
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 27 February 2021 10: 31
    0
    here is the moment of truth - to break the outskirts or to accept money with a bow ........................... having lost his own snot.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 February 2021 10: 32
    +15
    I have cognitive dissonance. For example, a neighbor turned to me and asked me to supply firewood. Well, I'm healthy, I have a horse, I can ... At this moment someone appears from the far outskirts, who says: "No, you can't just chop and haul, you have to haul along this road (all in potholes) and pay for the fare, and if you don't carry it, pay anyway !!! " And he says to the buyer - and you will also buy my expensive brushwood from me ... Otherwise, you cannot buy firewood ...
    I think it's called racketeering, isn't it?
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 27 February 2021 10: 41
      +5
      Not. This is called democracy.
      After all, the neighbor will make the right choice completely voluntarily and will sign the appropriate documents.
      And you still have to report on the hay for the horse. Is the hay certified? If not, you are not allowed to carry firewood.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 February 2021 13: 27
        0
        Quote: Pereira
        Not. This is called democracy.
        After all, the neighbor will make the right choice completely voluntarily and will sign the appropriate documents.

        And in Russian, this is all US nonsense.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 February 2021 10: 42
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      it's called racketeering, isn't it?

      Duc this approach in all areas .... Specific guys in crimson jackets!
    3. figwam
      figwam 27 February 2021 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I think it's called racketeering, isn't it?

      That's right, this is an American gang in action.
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 27 February 2021 10: 46
      +4
      Exclusively business and nothing personal lol
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 27 February 2021 10: 55
        -2
        And at the expense of the Russian Federation, it is desirable. And in Gazprom with the Kremlin and not especially against it.)))
    5. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 27 February 2021 10: 50
      0
      And why are you surprised, even grandfather Krylov said: "The strong is always guilty of the powerless." Which country is the strongest? Who has the most powerful economy and army? USA. So they use their power. But here's what I paid attention to
      Berlin has prepared a solution for the gas pipeline, which will suit both Germany and the United States, and also takes into account the interests of Kiev.
      It turns out that even the Germans are trying to take into account the interests of everyone, but not Russia. But our goal in SP2 is to bend Ukraine, and how will we bend it now?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 27 February 2021 10: 54
        0
        The pumping contract ends in 4 years.
    6. Flooding
      Flooding 27 February 2021 11: 04
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I think it's called racketeering, isn't it?

      no, it's called differently:
      "It's not personal, it's just business." Al Capone
      In 1903, an agreement was signed between the United States and Colombia, which included the territory of the Isthmus of Panama (Hea-Errana), which provided for the transfer of the canal zone for 99 years to the use of the Americans and their right to military intervention in the interests of protecting the canal. However, the Colombian parliament refused to ratify this document. Then, with the support of the American navy, a regime loyal to the United States was established in the Colombian department of Panama (occupying the territory of the Isthmus of Panama), and on November 3, 1903, the creation of an independent state was announced here. After that, Panama and the United States signed an agreement (Hea-Buno-Varilla), which gave the United States "for eternity" the right to use and control the territory of the future Panama Canal. Panama received $ 10 million. In addition, a rent was set for the use of the channel for the United States.
    7. Avior
      Avior 27 February 2021 11: 09
      -3
      ... someone appears from the far outskirts

      Not someone, but a close relative of your neighbor who has a lot to do with your neighbor.
    8. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 February 2021 11: 32
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I have cognitive dissonance. For example, a neighbor turned to me and asked me to supply firewood. Well, I'm healthy, I have a horse, I can ...

      But I do not want !!!
    9. Maikcg
      Maikcg 27 February 2021 11: 43
      0
      This is called the "invisible hand of the market" laughing
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 27 February 2021 10: 44
    +3
    Here is great Germany in the role of reptiles ...
    1. Maikcg
      Maikcg 27 February 2021 11: 48
      0
      And when was she great then? When you were a province of the Roman Empire?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 27 February 2021 12: 04
        +1
        No, during the existence of the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation 962-1805.
        And it was not a province of the Roman Empire. Individual tribes only. For then there was no united Germany.
        1. Quadro
          Quadro 27 February 2021 12: 16
          -1
          Quote: Pereira
          No, during the existence of the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation 962-1805.
          And it was not a province of the Roman Empire. Individual tribes only. For then there was no united Germany.

          Here are just a German there was a gulkin horseradish. An empire, which is not an empire, but a confederation with a walk in the field, as well as a bunch of lands that were ready to grab each other's throats. What happened by 1805 is roughly from the "Byzantine Empire" in 1453. Roman, in which there is nichrome from Rome, sacred, where there are religious wars, an empire where there is no unity, a German nation, where everything is mixed.
  5. Pavel73
    Pavel73 27 February 2021 10: 48
    0
    Kiev has only one interest - HALYAVA.
  6. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 February 2021 10: 51
    0
    Everyone's trying to roast the snow?
  7. askort154
    askort154 27 February 2021 10: 53
    +2
    VO editors fill in empty stripes ?! tongue

    Today at 10-21 article: "Will suit everyone": Berlin is ready to offer Washington a compromise on "Nord Stream - 2"... (political scientist Alexander Rahr).

    Yesterday at 13-46. article..The German government has prepared a compromise option for Nord Stream 2, negotiations on it are planned to be held in the near future. This is reported by Vzglyad with reference to the German political scientist Alexander Rahr.

    Vadim Smirnov, remove 2 "eternal warnings" from me, negative and I will stop criticizing you. drinks
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 27 February 2021 10: 54
    0
    I am satisfied that the kraina receives just as much for gas; that there is only enough money for the maintenance of the pipe. From February 21 to 24, despite the 16 knot wind, the laying speed is 860 meters per day. Incomprehensible movement of support vessels around Chersky. Intelligence of Ukraine gives information that stream 2 will be completed on June 12, 2021. drinks
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 27 February 2021 11: 19
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Ukrainian intelligence provides information that stream 2 will be completed on June 12, 2021.

      In fact, according to the information of our analysts, in reality the first gas through the SP-2 will go only in the summer of 2022 - this is due to the completion of ALL construction and the receipt of a number of documentary permits for pumping. I admit that if the winter of 2021-2022 is the same as the current one, then gas will be pumped through the SP-2 even earlier. There is no doubt that the Germans will finish the job - they have not even now increased transit through Ukraine, with such severe frosts, so as not to pay extra money for transit. They know that during the summer it will be possible to completely pump up their storage facilities with cheap gas through SP-1, while saving on transit.
      As I wrote earlier, our people do not know well the psychology of the Germans, who are not going to feed the Ukrainians at the expense of expensive transit, which means that SP-2 will be launched, no matter how svidomo screams about the threat to the Europeans.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 27 February 2021 11: 59
        +1
        You that this undermines the belief in the professionalism of the Krainskaya intelligence, before them all James Bond fades. It is reported, the way it is. The only time I want to believe them. And I can count up to 50. Fortune laid almost 9 km in the second stage. hi
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 27 February 2021 10: 54
    +1
    This is what to expect from (partners). Roddit they mean the decision Ktoroy US ukrov and the Germans will arrange, and us? Well, apparently it means that we will arrange everything again at our expense. What's next, at the expense of the Russian Federation, will the ukrotrubu be repaired? And what, the young dermocracy needs to be supported and supported, but not at the expense of the Germans and Americans, why should they spend money, they know how to make money, and spending in emptiness is our precarious thing.
  10. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 27 February 2021 10: 58
    0
    Funny little man. The United States will only be satisfied with a monopoly on gas supplies to Europe, while Ukraine is completely out of business here, and there is no need to remember it.
  11. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 11: 04
    0
    laughing There is a fifth option - to refuse from Russian gas! 
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 11: 06
    +1
    If we discard the polites, then the whole point of the question is who will pay for the losses of Ukraine from the loss of transit?

    And then everything is very simple. If the Germans, in transit through JV2, save $ 2 billion, relative to the Ukrainian route, then they will pay exactly this amount to Ukraine as compensation.

    Otherwise, they would have paid these 2 billion to her anyway.

    Then it all comes down to a simple decision that Germany is ready or not ready to pay Ukraine this saved money. At the same time, Germany receives a guaranteed gas supply, independent of third parties, and Ukraine its own money.

    Even better, if the losses of Ukraine are paid by the United States. In this case, everyone will be happy. The United States will support an ally, Ukraine will receive a guaranteed income, and by selling the pipe for scrap, it will also save a lot of money on its maintenance, Germany will receive gas via an independent route, and Russia will remain with its own people, but without Ukrainian hemorrhoids. And this is the most reasonable option.

    True, there is a nuance here.

    Such a decision to compensate for losses, when logistics changes, can bring down the entire world trade, because any change in the route of transportation of goods will entail similar requirements. ...)))

    And this is tsuzwang for the WTO.

    True, if active hostilities begin soon on the Ruin, then the very problem of transit will evaporate ... to the delight of absolutely all the participants in the "epic SP2" laughing
  13. Tank hard
    Tank hard 27 February 2021 11: 07
    0
    How humiliatingly they all bow to Washington ...
  14. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 11: 13
    -2
    Someone, tell them that there are already a lot of shut-off mechanisms provided there: all kinds of valves and other shut-off valves. wassat
  15. paco.soto
    paco.soto 27 February 2021 11: 16
    +1
    So far, I am commenting only after reading this article: this political scientist seemed strange to me. Continuous logical contradictions. Now I will read the forum.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 27 February 2021 12: 45
      0
      Quote: paco.soto
      strange this political scientist,

      He is a political scientist and a political scientist, there are other opinions - the head of the Bundestag Committee on Economics and Energy Klaus Ernst "I welcome the fact that the United States under President Biden is now showing more readiness for dialogue. Still, the stop of Nord Stream 2 is not subject to negotiations, as well as a "shutdown mechanism" that would link gas supplies to the EU with the supply of Ukraine. " The representative of the Cabinet of Ministers of Germany Ulrike Demmer “We regularly exchange views with our partners, in this case with the USA and others. Often this dialogue is confidential. " But what will happen in the end after with "USA and others" ....
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 27 February 2021 12: 53
        +2
        mi. Often this dialogue is confidential. " And in ©
        Thank you for the dialogue.
  16. Cowbra
    Cowbra 27 February 2021 11: 23
    -2
    Yes there is just everything, like no other day - time is running at SP-2, so it is logical to negotiate. And more, and more. And then spring - and the chimney was already up. Now we can generally prohibit anything we want to lay! Under pain of death! laughing
  17. paco.soto
    paco.soto 27 February 2021 11: 25
    +1
    I read the forum, oh ... l and "in the old voice of professor Preobrazhensky" I say: with the exception of a few clear users - this is "some kind of bird market from Petrosyans" even excruciatingly sorry for the time spent aimlessly.
  18. Ascold1901
    Ascold1901 27 February 2021 11: 29
    0
    The sheer idiocy of the situation - why should the Germans generally negotiate with the Yankees?))) And, logically, what does a German care about the outskirts and its rusty pipe?)))
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 February 2021 11: 46
      +2
      Because the Germans are occupied by the United States and they have to do it ..
  19. cniza
    cniza 27 February 2021 11: 45
    +1
    Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine, while advocating the early completion of the pipeline to diversify fuel supplies. In addition, Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the United States. Germany is confident that this option will suit all parties.


    Naive - the United States does not need a Ukrainian pipe and S.P. 2, they want to fully supply their gas ...
  20. shubin
    shubin 27 February 2021 11: 45
    0
    No one even asks what Russia wants, however, as always.
  21. iouris
    iouris 27 February 2021 11: 48
    +1
    A compromise with Washington is an infringement on the interests of the beneficiaries. And who needs such a "compromise" SP-2? War is war. Compromise in war is surrender.
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 27 February 2021 11: 50
    0
    Germany is confident that this option will suit all parties

    Fresh dowry ... let's see how many "satisfied" such an agreement will have ???
  23. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 27 February 2021 12: 03
    +1
    a strange get-together, but Mother Russia has nothing to do with, as it were ..?
  24. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 12: 07
    +1
    The Russian commodity monopoly Gazprom and the Romanian operator SNTGN Transgaz, which runs the local gas transmission system, have agreed to early terminate the gas transit contract due to the recent commissioning of the Turkish Stream pipeline. As the Romanian side recalls, the terminated agreement was to be valid until the end of 2023. However, even now it has lost its relevance. In fact, the Romanian transit is no longer there. This is reported by the Romanian media. laughing I brought terrible news into the house ...
  25. 123456789
    123456789 27 February 2021 12: 10
    -1
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    will repair the pipe

    How do you see the repair of a 40-year-old pipe?
    There is only one thing that can be done from the outlying gas station - to pump a little air into it. laughing
  26. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 12: 15
    -1
    Transit through Belarus was also reduced, but not in such% ratios.
    Fodder base is getting smaller laughing
  27. 123456789
    123456789 27 February 2021 12: 19
    0
    Quote: askort154
    Vadim Smirnov, remove 2 "eternal warnings" from me,

    And I'm 4 (four) laughing
  28. yaelxninsh
    yaelxninsh 27 February 2021 12: 25
    +1
    Germany should also pay for the repair of the Ukrainian pipe, for the tariff level on it no more than SP1.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 27 February 2021 13: 47
      0
      Quote: yaelxninsh
      the level of tariff for it is not more than SP1

      There is a total route of almost 2000 km. longer, so that with the same tariff it turns out more expensive, it is advisable to tighten up and bring the tariff to a level so that the cost of pumping along these two routes is comparable
  29. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 February 2021 12: 44
    0
    According to the German expert, Berlin has prepared a version of the decision on the gas pipeline, which will suit both Germany and the United States, and also takes into account the interests of Kiev.

    Where is Russia? Oh, and clowns, Russia will turn its back on you and your whole talking shop is down the drain. fool
    And we will find where to supply the gas and what to make of it.
  30. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 27 February 2021 12: 51
    +1
    I do not know what they will decide there, but as for me, the main thing is to complete the "long-term construction"! With what volumes it will work depends on the needs of both Germany itself and the consumers of the Central European gas hub (Austria). Gas transit through Ukraine is valid until 2024, inclusive. Moreover, according to the European rules "take and pay", which minimizes the supplier's risks. Further, no one can force Russia to pump gas through the Ukrainian GTS if it is not beneficial for Russia itself. There is no obvious benefit. Pump in an old pipe with a pressure of 75 bar, or pump in a new pipe with a pressure of 220 bar. The difference is significant and it is not only in the technical plane, but also in the costs and risks of pumping through the old GTS, which are several times higher.
    Why is Germany so concerned about the completion of construction? The answer is simple! It is German engineers who have been monitoring the state of the Ukrainian GTS for many years and their forecasts for further operation, without major modernization, are disappointing.
  31. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 February 2021 13: 31
    0
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    Who has the most powerful economy and army?

    I do not know, but in my opinion, China.
  32. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 27 February 2021 13: 54
    +2
    For us, too, it's time to abandon the Ukrainian pipe and the whole of Ukraine. The pipe is unprofitable. Ukraine is triple unprofitable. But most importantly, the "fraternal" begging of Ukraine will only ruin our budget. You cannot serve two gods. The problems of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are the problems of the Ukrainian government.
  33. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 14: 35
    +2
    And then, before winter, and with a good forecast, accept as a delivery condition:
    1. Letters of guarantee for damages from the power package (with sufficient fines for the release of the demon);
    2. Issuance of all those involved under the order of the Basmanny Court (with payment for accommodation in cozy Butyrka cells). laughing
  34. senima56
    senima56 27 February 2021 17: 33
    0
    And the Americans have settled well, they are sitting across the ocean, and as something suddenly they do not like, immediately sanctions! And all of Europe before them "on its hind legs" gets up and "tries to negotiate"! fool negative hi
  35. comradChe
    comradChe 27 February 2021 19: 06
    -2
    So let's see what the proud Great Russians will do. Are they proud? I know the answer, do you know?
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 February 2021 21: 11
    +1
    Quote: comradChe
    So let's see what the proud Great Russians will do. Are they proud? I know the answer, do you know?

    We will definitely think about laughing The trouble is that not all people are professionally taught economics, political science and any other sciences. Some things are best explained clearly with simple examples. For accessibility. and indeed nonsense is not an argument. laughing
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 27 February 2021 23: 07
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      The trouble is that not all people are professionally taught economics, political science and any other sciences.

      not only trouble, but, let's be honest, our happiness
      there is still someone to plow and sow, drill and pump, build and protect
  37. izGOI
    izGOI 28 February 2021 00: 00
    0
    It is too early to hang Ukraine "on the neck of Russia" even by American standards, the country is not ruined enough to become a real burden. And there is still something to steal.
  38. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 28 February 2021 02: 50
    0
    Behaving like a prostitute! And the lads to please and not to lose the client!
  39. svoit
    svoit 28 February 2021 18: 32
    0
    Quote: prior
    then all contracts for the supply of oil and gas must begin and end at the Russian border.

    Ukraine has been striving for this for probably 10 years, or at least 7, but Gazprom does not agree, and in general, the Ukrainian route may turn out to be profitable due to unforeseen expenses for sp2
  40. YuryPVO
    YuryPVO 28 February 2021 19: 47
    0
    Russia will not cancel gas transit through Ukraine until it builds JV2. But the main somersault will happen later. Gas transit through Ukraine will be linked to water supply to Crimea. Already in Germany, in the UN, the issue of water in Crimea is being raised as a violation of human rights. I think this issue will change the political picture in Ukraine, right up to the change of power.