"Will suit everyone": Berlin is ready to offer Washington a compromise on "Nord Stream - 2"

The German government has prepared a compromise option for Nord Stream 2, negotiations on it are planned to be held in the near future. This is reported by Vzglyad with reference to the German political scientist Alexander Rahr.

According to the German expert, Berlin has prepared a solution to the gas pipeline, which will suit both Germany and the United States, and also takes into account the interests of Kiev. Negotiations between Angela Merkel and Joe Biden regarding the gas pipeline are planned, but the exact date has not yet been determined.

Serious negotiations on Nord Stream 2 between Joe Biden and Angela Merkel are not underway yet, they have yet to do so. But the most acceptable option for Germany is already clear

- said the political scientist.

According to the political scientist, as part of a compromise option, Germany will offer the following: Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine, while at the same time advocating the early completion of the construction of a gas pipeline to diversify fuel supplies. In addition, Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the United States. Germany is confident that this option will suit all parties.

At the same time, Rahr is confident that in the future, Nord Stream 2 will completely replace gas transit through the Ukrainian territory for one, but very simple reason - the Ukrainian gas transportation system is extremely outdated and in a deplorable state.

Ukraine needs to carry out a tremendous amount of work to modernize the entire gas transportation system, but it has neither the money nor the will to do this. And she does not want to take foreign money, Russian or Western, because then she will have to share the profit, and Ukraine still wants to receive one

- added the German political scientist.

Earlier, Berlin announced that it was considering four options for Nord Stream 2.

Comments

[APASUS]

Will the Americans be satisfied with such a decision? They want to hang Ukraine around the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU

[The leader of the Redskins]

I think the old man will refuse the old woman. Not for the purpose of slowing down construction, so that it would be convenient for everyone.

[APASUS]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I think the old man will refuse the old woman. Not for the purpose of slowing down construction, so that it would be convenient for everyone.

The old man realized that it would be impossible to break the gasket, so an inconvenient agreement had to be hanged on the EU.

[Temples]

Quote: APASUS

They want to hang Ukraine around the neck of Russia

It's the most important.

At the moment, Ukrainians live off transit.
The Russians are paying for this transit.

If there is SP-2, then the transit through the land where the ho.khly settled can be closed.
The money will run out, and take off with a high probability the project will end ukro_khokhlya, India because no one wants to contain these Russophobes.

[Maikcg]

There, in the best years, there were up to 3 billion in total, it is even difficult to survive on this. (Well, apart from top management, of course, there will be enough here, probably, but this is not certain.) More important is the pressure in the pipe, which supports the operation of the networks tied to the highway in the district. And work on the physical reverse.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Somehow tired of Ukraine Three days ago I called my classmate at the academy in Kiev, I wanted to support him morally, because he is like we’re dying there in the Square He is also a military pensioner And he gives me a photo from Egypt Type I was tired of winter in Kiev, decided to warm up And my wife and I yesterday went to the store Almost 2 thousand left, but there is nothing to look at We live together

[Vladimir Mashkov]

"Will suit everyone": Berlin is ready to offer Washington a compromise on "Nord Stream - 2"
As always, they forgot one "insignificant detail" - the opinion of Russia.

[tank64rus]

Payments to military pensions from official sources. For comparison, you can in cu. , well, the cost of living in Egypt. In Russia, military pensioners survive, but I don’t think it’s better in Ukraine.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

In Latvia, military officers receive 525 euros from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation personally saw the payment And as for Egypt, the flight is very cheap Well, our military pensions are both a warrant officer of the Armed Forces with 15-16 thousand, and a major sledak from the Ministry of Internal Affairs with 18 thousand So do not really envy

[TANKISTONE]

They fly h / z RB, it turns out cheaper. In Egypt, before the pandemic, I also saw a lot of vacationers from Wu. There are also many flights at the airport.

[hydrox]

Arrogance, exclusivity, a terrible resentment and posture with the letter "G" - these are the character traits of "historical Europeanness" (in some barnyards, genetics were formed!) Weigh on this cartel (separate) agreement!
But now with what frequency will this old rusted corpse iron begin to tear on the export routes!

[Looking for]

Do not whine. "Academician". Do not wind up in the Russian Federation, go to Ukraine .. and to Egypt "go" and to Vienna "drink coffee".

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Yes, there are already a lot of people like me. If you send everyone, who will you stay with?

[IvaNik]

An old Jew comes to the urologist. Doctor, I'm 65 and I can only be with my wife once a week, what should I do? Oh yes it is very good at your age! My neighbor Moishe is 75 and he says he gets along with his wife 3 times a week. Abram Moiseevich, who doesn't let you speak for more?
And at the expense of the military pension, as one movie hero said: - Who is the mare's bride. We must live within our means.
Isn't Egypt quarantined? And Ukraine is also kind of closed until Easter.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Egypt is not closed, at least it is easy to fly from Ukraine.In general, flights to and from Europe are cheap.My wife and I always moved to Vilnius before quarantine, and from there, and for 40 euros, you should. so who is to blame that his native state cut him 13-14 thousand and how to live?

[prior]

If the European Union and Washington are so concerned about Ukraine, then all contracts for the supply of oil and gas must begin and end at the Russian border. You have an association with Ukraine, that's all.
Who will pay Ukraine for transit, whether it steals or not, in what condition this or that pipe is, we should not concern and worry at all. Carry them in barrels or in bulk.
And let these "scorpions" sort out their bank themselves, but all deliveries are prepaid.
And money ahead.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: prior

And let these "scorpions" sort out their bank themselves, but all deliveries are prepaid.
And money ahead.

After water supply to the SCC. You have described the conditions so well that one can only guess who in Russia is not satisfied with this and why Russia is obliged to pump gas through Ukraine at the request of overseas radio listeners.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I think the old man will refuse the old woman... Not for the purpose of slowing down construction, so that it would be convenient for everyone.

Who knows how to know. Seeing that the construction of the project is moving towards completion, I think it is not in the old man's interests to categorically demand that the SP-2 stop. in the event of its completion, it will be possible to ascertain the fact of Beadon's political impotence, and therefore to squeeze out the most acceptable conditions from the current situation is the best option for Beadon. And he promoted his interest in LNG, and did not quarrel with Germany, and it seems like he forced Russia to continue pumping through Ukraine, and demonstrated to his electorate that he decided politically. So the grandfather will accept the conditions of Germany in order to get out of the dead-end confrontation and at the same time save his face.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nyrobsky

So the grandfather will accept the conditions of Germany in order to get out of the dead-end confrontation and at the same time save his face.

Grandfather "Uncle Tom's son" may understand, but his brothers do not understand, but rather do not want to understand.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Nyrobsky

So the grandfather will accept the conditions of Germany in order to get out of the dead-end confrontation and at the same time save his face.

Grandfather "Uncle Tom's son" may understand, but his brothers do not understand, but rather do not want to understand.

You underestimate the mattresses. They are generally masters of creating a "product" called a problem, which they then manage to "sell" on favorable terms for themselves and "to the delight" of the one in relation to whom this problem was created. "Terpila" is led to the fact that he will be happy despite the fact that this is to the detriment of his interests. In fact, if the construction of the SP-2 went as planned, the mattresses would hardly get their share of the EU gas market for their LNG, because pipeline gas is always cheaper. Having created a problem and imposed sanctions on the project participants, they will now "yield", but for market share. Yes, they didn’t manage to squeeze out the entire market, but it turns out that they have already partially achieved what they wanted + hung on Russia’s neck the obligation, at least for some time, to support Ukraine on transit money. The carrot and carrot policy towards the EU works better than the carrot policy alone.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nyrobsky

You underestimate the mattresses. They are generally masters of creating a "product" called a problem, which they then manage to "sell"

The question "Did you live there." I lived.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Nyrobsky

You underestimate the mattresses. They are generally masters of creating a "product" called a problem, which they then manage to "sell"

The question "Did you live there." I lived.

The answer is not living.
The question is - why did you decide that they are creating a problem for themselves?
I wrote that they create problems for others and sell them a "solution" to this problem, but already as their "concession". All the costs and losses of mattresses are passed on to the "terpila", and at the same time they get what they want.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The answer is not living.
The question is - why did you decide that they are creating a problem for themselves?

Yes, in life they are.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The answer is not living.

And they answer me that I do not understand well, because it is forbidden for me to write on the site "doo ......."

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: tihonmarine

And they answer me that I do not understand well, because it is forbidden for me to write on the site "doo ......."

And you write
Дdemeaning,
Уunique,
Рyes,
Аmbicious,
Кcompanion.
And the person is pleased and did not screw up

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nyrobsky

And the person is pleased and did not screw up

Which is what I try to do, but it does not always work, again three.

[Baloo]

Ukraine needs to carry out a tremendous amount of work to modernize the entire gas transportation system, but it has neither the money nor the will to do this. And she does not want to take foreign money, Russian or Western, because then she will have to share the profit, and Ukraine still wants to receive one

America also does not need SP2, since the Banderlog will steal gas, disrupt supplies, inflicting tsuron on Russia, in addition, SP2 will strengthen the positions of Russia and the European Union, which is also not in the interests of the United States.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Balu

America also does not need SP2, since Banderlog will steal gas, disrupt supplies, inflicting tsuron on Russia

And immediately you minus from the Democrats, I expect praise for myself.

[figwam]

Quote: APASUS

They want to hang Ukraine on the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU

The GTS of the outskirts should disappear, Russia will not feed the Nazis and Bandera.

[Pereira]

Why would the GTS disappear? It will come in handy. Do they need gas for their needs? So they will download from Slovakia.

[nnm]

From Slovakia? Out of that 30 km of the appendix of the Russian pipe, which in a small segment specifically engages the territory of Slovakia?
But in fact, the bulk of transit is just paper transit without physical movement of gas from the Ukrainian GTS to the territory of other states - that is, conditional Slovakia buys gas from Gazprom in a Russian pipeline and at the same delivery point sells it to Ukraine with a 20-30% markup , which is divided into the pockets of the participants in the transaction.

[Pereira]

And all these years I thought that deposits were discovered in Slovakia.

[Flooding]

Quote: Pereira

And all these years I thought that deposits were discovered in Slovakia.

opened, pumped out the next day and closed

[Avior]

It’s impossible. Gazprom sells gas not at the Ukrainian border, but at the EU border, and metering devices for gas supplied to the EU are already in the EU, so gas from the Ukrainian GTS must physically enter the EU to these metering devices.

[Mikhail m]

Why is it impossible? Gas from the pipe is distributed through the local GTS on the territory of Ukraine, where it is convenient, gas is taken from the meters in Europe, and through a small ring it is again fed to the meters, restoring the balance. And the people are being told that gas comes from Europe, and that they have to pay steeply for transit. Money is divided according to concepts. The circuit is as simple as a crowbar.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

that is, conditional Slovakia buys gas from Gazprom in a Russian pipeline and at the same delivery point sells it to Ukraine with a 20-30% mark-up, which is divided into the pockets of the parties to the transaction.
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Quote

That to it is, dollars to the computer do not smell.

[figwam]

Quote: Pereira

Why would the GTS disappear?

Because no one will pour money into its reconstruction, and the outskirts do not have that kind of money, so they will hand it over to black metal and the fairy tale is over.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: figvam

Russia will not feed the Nazis and Bandera.

The answer is correct.

[Fedor Sokolov]

Hanging Ukraine around the EU's neck will not work for two reasons: firstly, some of the members of the union will have to cut off financial subsidies and it will certainly not be Western European countries, as a result of which the same Poland and the Tribaltic tigers will sharpen their teeth on Ukraine and will no longer be so friendly to it, and secondly, the economies of the EU countries are now in stagnation and are going through hard times.

[APASUS]

Quote: Fyodor Sokolov

Hanging Ukraine around the EU's neck won't work

It will turn out how it turned out to hang the Baltic States, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland around the EU's neck. In general terms, they are in the EU, and they carry out orders from Washington

[nnm]

Germany will propose the following: Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine, while advocating the early completion of the pipeline to diversify fuel supplies. In addition, Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the United States.

Will not suit. In fact, the US is virtually indifferent to these increased gas supplies. They need something completely different - a complete, undoubted, non-negotiable political, economic, geostrategic dominant influence on Europe. That year they themselves will dictate volumes, policies, prices, and whatever.
Therefore, Germany and Austria need to decide only one question - is it ready to take the first step towards real independence. Or, as a result, emerging and cheaper Asian manufacturers will simply oust old Europe from all markets. Will Europe continue to be a vassal of the United States. Here is the price of the issue. Everything else is not the crux of the matter.
And Ukraine, out of its meager mind, does not understand that the USA does not need their GTS either. The United States will carry out supplies bypassing it, on the contrary, even increasing the price of the supplied liquefied gas supplied through the conditional Poland. And there will be no transit anyway. The United States wants to cut off Europe from Russian supplies

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: APASUS

Will the Americans be satisfied with such a decision? They want to hang Ukraine around the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU

Of course it will, the key here:

Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine

Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the USA

who will pay for transit? Russia is obvious. And I would not count on the old age of the Ukrainian GTS, American / European companies will come, repair the pipe and share the profit from transit ... and in this scheme, I do not see any benefit for our country, i.e. The Americans will be able to support Ukraine at our expense + in addition to the profit from transit, Gazprom will have to conclude contracts with Naftogaz (for pumping transit and purchasing gas directly to Ukraine), as a result, Ukraine will buy gas from Russia and not from European / American with a surcharge .... i.e. ... the benefits for Ukraine are obvious here.

[APASUS]

Quote: Aleksandr21

who will pay for transit? Russia is obvious. And I would not count on the old age of the Ukrainian GTS, American / European companies will come, repair the pipe and share the profit from transit ... and in this scheme, I do not see any benefit for our country, i.e. The Americans will be able to support Ukraine at our expense + in addition to the profit from transit, Gazprom will have to conclude contracts with Naftogaz (for pumping transit and purchasing gas directly to Ukraine), as a result, Ukraine will buy gas from Russia and not from European / American with a surcharge .... i.e. ... the benefits for Ukraine are obvious here.

So I would not count on investments in the Ukrainian GTS.
1 The technical resource is exhausted, now the systems are more economical, billions are required to update it. And given the fact that by pumping a minimum volume of gas, Russia can make this enterprise unprofitable at all, there are not many prospects. The instability of the power itself in Ukraine, as an indicator development.
2 The Americans need Ukraine as a springboard against the Russians, no changes are foreseen in the US government and policy. Everyone understands perfectly well that in Ukraine you can lose any investment, so what kind of investment are you talking about?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: APASUS

So I would not count on investments in the Ukrainian GTS.
1 The technical resource is exhausted, now the systems are more economical, billions are required to update it. And given the fact that by pumping a minimum volume of gas, Russia can make this enterprise unprofitable at all, there are not many prospects. The instability of the power itself in Ukraine, as an indicator development.
2 The Americans need Ukraine as a springboard against the Russians, no changes are foreseen in the US government and policy. Everyone understands perfectly well that in Ukraine you can lose any investment, so what kind of investment are you talking about?

I think so, the United States, together with the EU, will oblige Russia to pump a certain amount of gas through the Ukrainian GTS, i.e. You won't be able to outsmart here, Americans are far from stupid just to believe the promises of Germany and then watch how Russia pumps the minimum wage through the Ukrainian pipe .... regarding the repair of the pipe, how bad is it? Maybe it will be in good condition for another 20-30 years and you will not have to spend money on its repair and modernization, and then, as the time comes, American / European companies will come and under the guarantees (of the Americans) they will make repairs ... provided, of course, that the Americans it will be possible to oblige Russia to pump gas through the Ukrainian GTS. As for Ukraine's impermanence ... now it is completely under external control, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

[Maikcg]

They will come, make repairs, give a penny and leave, leaving the non-profit Tarasik to collect (and leave in his pocket) tribute from the pipe on his own.
And then Tarasik kicks the Zhinka and yells

[Avior]

Transit through the Ukrainian GTS will lead to a decrease in transit volumes through JV2, that is, to an increase in the cost of transit. This directly affects the interests of Gazprom, and the Germans will not suffer from this - the cost of delivery lies with Gazprom. Investors in JV2 receive their own fixed percentage of income, regardless of the volume of transportation on JV2.
It is strange that Gazprom is silent when, without it, behind its back, the Germans and Americans are going to negotiate a reduction in its profits.
And given the fact that JV2 was conceived as a way to deprive Ukraine of the transit of Russian gas, the voiced agreement looks doubly strange for Gazprom.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Avior

It is strange that Gazprom is silent when, without it, behind its back, the Germans and Americans are going to negotiate a reduction in its profits.

just about, but in reality, there is more politics than economics. If Biden comes to an agreement with Merkel, then there will already be negotiations between Merkel and Putin where she will set conditions for gas purchases ... and then everything will depend on the position of the GDP, give the go-ahead - then Gazprom will sign / extend the contract for transit through the Ukrainian GTS and go to it nowhere.

[CommanderDIVA]

"Transit through the Ukrainian GTS will lead to a decrease in transit volumes through JV2, that is, to an increase in the cost of transit" - an unsubstantiated conclusion, after December 2024, the transit of our gas to the European Union through your GTS will stop, all surpluses will go to JV 1 and JV 2, Although Merkel is completely under the Americans, German business is vitally interested in our gas, increasing its supplies, JV 2 will be completed, so do not hope to forever sit on Russian money from the transit of our gas through your territory, I would recommend that you consider alternative fuel sources for the population: coal, wood briquettes, the example of Scandinavia to help you

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

Transit through the Ukrainian GTS will lead to a decrease in transit volumes through JV2

It will depend on the demand in Europe, but in addition to the Ukrainian one, there is also the Polish transit Yamal-Europe, and the contract on it has already expired and the parties switched to booking capacities for a certain period ... while they booked for a year ... with all the "diligence" about the preservation of Ukrainian transit, somehow there is no such concern about the Poles ... and the option of transferring capacities from this direction to SP-2

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

This directly affects the interests of Gazprom, and the Germans will not suffer from this - the cost of delivery lies with Gazprom. Investors in JV2 receive their own fixed percentage of income, regardless of the volume of transportation on JV2.

And what will Ukraine get ??? Shish.

[The popuas]

Will suit everyone except Russia

[tihonmarine]

Quote: APASUS

They want to hang Ukraine on the neck of Russia, but if it fails, then on the neck of the EU

The states are greedy, they will hang everything on the EU. The question "Who needs Ukraine?"

[Mini Mokik]

I think everything is simple here. The Germans are in the know, gas in the states is barely enough for themselves at this stage. So you can promise us with three boxes. Finish the main stream.

[Thrifty]

The Yankees will be satisfied with only one option - Europe, sitting on American shale gas, and for this they will continue to squeeze dissent in Europe.

[venik]

Quote: APASUS

Will the Americans be satisfied with such a decision?

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If they arrange it, it will not suit it .... While they are talking, you look and the gas pipeline will be built on the sly ... And then ... - The gas transportation system of Ukraine is indeed in a deplorable state ... In a few years, the issue of pumping gas through Ukraine will disappear yourself .....

[antivirus]

here is the moment of truth - to break the outskirts or to accept money with a bow ........................... having lost his own snot.

[Mountain shooter]

I have cognitive dissonance. For example, a neighbor turned to me and asked me to supply firewood. Well, I'm healthy, I have a horse, I can ... At this moment someone appears from the far outskirts, who says: "No, you can't just chop and haul, you have to haul along this road (all in potholes) and pay for the fare, and if you don't carry it, pay anyway !!! " And he says to the buyer - and you will also buy my expensive brushwood from me ... Otherwise, you cannot buy firewood ...
I think it's called racketeering, isn't it?

[Pereira]

Not. This is called democracy.
After all, the neighbor will make the right choice completely voluntarily and will sign the appropriate documents.
And you still have to report on the hay for the horse. Is the hay certified? If not, you are not allowed to carry firewood.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pereira

Not. This is called democracy.
After all, the neighbor will make the right choice completely voluntarily and will sign the appropriate documents.

And in Russian, this is all US nonsense.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

it's called racketeering, isn't it?

Duc this approach in all areas .... Specific guys in crimson jackets!

[figwam]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I think it's called racketeering, isn't it?

That's right, this is an American gang in action.

[Alien From]

Exclusively business and nothing personal

[evgen1221]

And at the expense of the Russian Federation, it is desirable. And in Gazprom with the Kremlin and not especially against it.)))

[Fan-fan]

And why are you surprised, even grandfather Krylov said: "The strong is always guilty of the powerless." Which country is the strongest? Who has the most powerful economy and army? USA. So they use their power. But here's what I paid attention to

Berlin has prepared a solution for the gas pipeline, which will suit both Germany and the United States, and also takes into account the interests of Kiev.

It turns out that even the Germans are trying to take into account the interests of everyone, but not Russia. But our goal in SP2 is to bend Ukraine, and how will we bend it now?

[Pereira]

The pumping contract ends in 4 years.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I think it's called racketeering, isn't it?

no, it's called differently:
"It's not personal, it's just business." Al Capone

In 1903, an agreement was signed between the United States and Colombia, which included the territory of the Isthmus of Panama (Hea-Errana), which provided for the transfer of the canal zone for 99 years to the use of the Americans and their right to military intervention in the interests of protecting the canal. However, the Colombian parliament refused to ratify this document. Then, with the support of the American navy, a regime loyal to the United States was established in the Colombian department of Panama (occupying the territory of the Isthmus of Panama), and on November 3, 1903, the creation of an independent state was announced here. After that, Panama and the United States signed an agreement (Hea-Buno-Varilla), which gave the United States "for eternity" the right to use and control the territory of the future Panama Canal. Panama received $ 10 million. In addition, a rent was set for the use of the channel for the United States.

[Avior]

... someone appears from the far outskirts

Not someone, but a close relative of your neighbor who has a lot to do with your neighbor.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I have cognitive dissonance. For example, a neighbor turned to me and asked me to supply firewood. Well, I'm healthy, I have a horse, I can ...

But I do not want !!!

[Maikcg]

This is called the "invisible hand of the market"

[Alien From]

Here is great Germany in the role of reptiles ...

[Maikcg]

And when was she great then? When you were a province of the Roman Empire?

[Pereira]

No, during the existence of the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation 962-1805.
And it was not a province of the Roman Empire. Individual tribes only. For then there was no united Germany.

[Quadro]

Quote: Pereira

No, during the existence of the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation 962-1805.
And it was not a province of the Roman Empire. Individual tribes only. For then there was no united Germany.

Here are just a German there was a gulkin horseradish. An empire, which is not an empire, but a confederation with a walk in the field, as well as a bunch of lands that were ready to grab each other's throats. What happened by 1805 is roughly from the "Byzantine Empire" in 1453. Roman, in which there is nichrome from Rome, sacred, where there are religious wars, an empire where there is no unity, a German nation, where everything is mixed.

[Pavel73]

Kiev has only one interest - HALYAVA.

[Prisoner]

Everyone's trying to roast the snow?

[askort154]

VO editors fill in empty stripes ?!

Today at 10-21 article: "Will suit everyone": Berlin is ready to offer Washington a compromise on "Nord Stream - 2"... (political scientist Alexander Rahr).

Yesterday at 13-46. article..The German government has prepared a compromise option for Nord Stream 2, negotiations on it are planned to be held in the near future. This is reported by Vzglyad with reference to the German political scientist Alexander Rahr.

Vadim Smirnov, remove 2 "eternal warnings" from me, and I will stop criticizing you.

[tralflot1832]

I am satisfied that the kraina receives just as much for gas; that there is only enough money for the maintenance of the pipe. From February 21 to 24, despite the 16 knot wind, the laying speed is 860 meters per day. Incomprehensible movement of support vessels around Chersky. Intelligence of Ukraine gives information that stream 2 will be completed on June 12, 2021.

[ccsr]

Quote: tralflot1832

Ukrainian intelligence provides information that stream 2 will be completed on June 12, 2021.

In fact, according to the information of our analysts, in reality the first gas through the SP-2 will go only in the summer of 2022 - this is due to the completion of ALL construction and the receipt of a number of documentary permits for pumping. I admit that if the winter of 2021-2022 is the same as the current one, then gas will be pumped through the SP-2 even earlier. There is no doubt that the Germans will finish the job - they have not even now increased transit through Ukraine, with such severe frosts, so as not to pay extra money for transit. They know that during the summer it will be possible to completely pump up their storage facilities with cheap gas through SP-1, while saving on transit.
As I wrote earlier, our people do not know well the psychology of the Germans, who are not going to feed the Ukrainians at the expense of expensive transit, which means that SP-2 will be launched, no matter how svidomo screams about the threat to the Europeans.

[tralflot1832]

You that this undermines the belief in the professionalism of the Krainskaya intelligence, before them all James Bond fades. It is reported, the way it is. The only time I want to believe them. And I can count up to 50. Fortune laid almost 9 km in the second stage.

[evgen1221]

This is what to expect from (partners). Roddit they mean the decision Ktoroy US ukrov and the Germans will arrange, and us? Well, apparently it means that we will arrange everything again at our expense. What's next, at the expense of the Russian Federation, will the ukrotrubu be repaired? And what, the young dermocracy needs to be supported and supported, but not at the expense of the Germans and Americans, why should they spend money, they know how to make money, and spending in emptiness is our precarious thing.

[Fedorovich]

Funny little man. The United States will only be satisfied with a monopoly on gas supplies to Europe, while Ukraine is completely out of business here, and there is no need to remember it.

[Gennady Fomkin]

There is a fifth option - to refuse from Russian gas! 

[Gennady Fomkin]

If we discard the polites, then the whole point of the question is who will pay for the losses of Ukraine from the loss of transit?

And then everything is very simple. If the Germans, in transit through JV2, save $ 2 billion, relative to the Ukrainian route, then they will pay exactly this amount to Ukraine as compensation.

Otherwise, they would have paid these 2 billion to her anyway.

Then it all comes down to a simple decision that Germany is ready or not ready to pay Ukraine this saved money. At the same time, Germany receives a guaranteed gas supply, independent of third parties, and Ukraine its own money.

Even better, if the losses of Ukraine are paid by the United States. In this case, everyone will be happy. The United States will support an ally, Ukraine will receive a guaranteed income, and by selling the pipe for scrap, it will also save a lot of money on its maintenance, Germany will receive gas via an independent route, and Russia will remain with its own people, but without Ukrainian hemorrhoids. And this is the most reasonable option.

True, there is a nuance here.

Such a decision to compensate for losses, when logistics changes, can bring down the entire world trade, because any change in the route of transportation of goods will entail similar requirements. ...)))

And this is tsuzwang for the WTO.

True, if active hostilities begin soon on the Ruin, then the very problem of transit will evaporate ... to the delight of absolutely all the participants in the "epic SP2"

[Tank hard]

How humiliatingly they all bow to Washington ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Someone, tell them that there are already a lot of shut-off mechanisms provided there: all kinds of valves and other shut-off valves.

[paco.soto]

So far, I am commenting only after reading this article: this political scientist seemed strange to me. Continuous logical contradictions. Now I will read the forum.

[Brturin]

Quote: paco.soto

strange this political scientist,

He is a political scientist and a political scientist, there are other opinions - the head of the Bundestag Committee on Economics and Energy Klaus Ernst "I welcome the fact that the United States under President Biden is now showing more readiness for dialogue. Still, the stop of Nord Stream 2 is not subject to negotiations, as well as a "shutdown mechanism" that would link gas supplies to the EU with the supply of Ukraine. " The representative of the Cabinet of Ministers of Germany Ulrike Demmer “We regularly exchange views with our partners, in this case with the USA and others. Often this dialogue is confidential. " But what will happen in the end after with "USA and others" ....

[paco.soto]

mi. Often this dialogue is confidential. " And in ©
Thank you for the dialogue.

[Cowbra]

Yes there is just everything, like no other day - time is running at SP-2, so it is logical to negotiate. And more, and more. And then spring - and the chimney was already up. Now we can generally prohibit anything we want to lay! Under pain of death!

[paco.soto]

I read the forum, oh ... l and "in the old voice of professor Preobrazhensky" I say: with the exception of a few clear users - this is "some kind of bird market from Petrosyans" even excruciatingly sorry for the time spent aimlessly.

[Ascold1901]

The sheer idiocy of the situation - why should the Germans generally negotiate with the Yankees?))) And, logically, what does a German care about the outskirts and its rusty pipe?)))

[cniza]

Because the Germans are occupied by the United States and they have to do it ..

[cniza]

Berlin will support the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine, while advocating the early completion of the pipeline to diversify fuel supplies. In addition, Berlin is ready to buy more liquefied gas from the United States. Germany is confident that this option will suit all parties.

Naive - the United States does not need a Ukrainian pipe and S.P. 2, they want to fully supply their gas ...

[shubin]

No one even asks what Russia wants, however, as always.

[iouris]

A compromise with Washington is an infringement on the interests of the beneficiaries. And who needs such a "compromise" SP-2? War is war. Compromise in war is surrender.

[rocket757]

Germany is confident that this option will suit all parties

Fresh dowry ... let's see how many "satisfied" such an agreement will have ???

[Vlad Pervovich]

a strange get-together, but Mother Russia has nothing to do with, as it were ..?

[Gennady Fomkin]

The Russian commodity monopoly Gazprom and the Romanian operator SNTGN Transgaz, which runs the local gas transmission system, have agreed to early terminate the gas transit contract due to the recent commissioning of the Turkish Stream pipeline. As the Romanian side recalls, the terminated agreement was to be valid until the end of 2023. However, even now it has lost its relevance. In fact, the Romanian transit is no longer there. This is reported by the Romanian media. I brought terrible news into the house ...

[123456789]

Quote: Aleksandr21

will repair the pipe

How do you see the repair of a 40-year-old pipe?
There is only one thing that can be done from the outlying gas station - to pump a little air into it.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Transit through Belarus was also reduced, but not in such% ratios.
Fodder base is getting smaller

[123456789]

Quote: askort154

Vadim Smirnov, remove 2 "eternal warnings" from me,

And I'm 4 (four)

[yaelxninsh]

Germany should also pay for the repair of the Ukrainian pipe, for the tariff level on it no more than SP1.

[Brturin]

Quote: yaelxninsh

the level of tariff for it is not more than SP1

There is a total route of almost 2000 km. longer, so that with the same tariff it turns out more expensive, it is advisable to tighten up and bring the tariff to a level so that the cost of pumping along these two routes is comparable

[Ros 56]

According to the German expert, Berlin has prepared a version of the decision on the gas pipeline, which will suit both Germany and the United States, and also takes into account the interests of Kiev.

Where is Russia? Oh, and clowns, Russia will turn its back on you and your whole talking shop is down the drain.
And we will find where to supply the gas and what to make of it.

[Vladimir61]

I do not know what they will decide there, but as for me, the main thing is to complete the "long-term construction"! With what volumes it will work depends on the needs of both Germany itself and the consumers of the Central European gas hub (Austria). Gas transit through Ukraine is valid until 2024, inclusive. Moreover, according to the European rules "take and pay", which minimizes the supplier's risks. Further, no one can force Russia to pump gas through the Ukrainian GTS if it is not beneficial for Russia itself. There is no obvious benefit. Pump in an old pipe with a pressure of 75 bar, or pump in a new pipe with a pressure of 220 bar. The difference is significant and it is not only in the technical plane, but also in the costs and risks of pumping through the old GTS, which are several times higher.
Why is Germany so concerned about the completion of construction? The answer is simple! It is German engineers who have been monitoring the state of the Ukrainian GTS for many years and their forecasts for further operation, without major modernization, are disappointing.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Who has the most powerful economy and army?

I do not know, but in my opinion, China.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

For us, too, it's time to abandon the Ukrainian pipe and the whole of Ukraine. The pipe is unprofitable. Ukraine is triple unprofitable. But most importantly, the "fraternal" begging of Ukraine will only ruin our budget. You cannot serve two gods. The problems of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are the problems of the Ukrainian government.

[Gennady Fomkin]

And then, before winter, and with a good forecast, accept as a delivery condition:
1. Letters of guarantee for damages from the power package (with sufficient fines for the release of the demon);
2. Issuance of all those involved under the order of the Basmanny Court (with payment for accommodation in cozy Butyrka cells).

[senima56]

And the Americans have settled well, they are sitting across the ocean, and as something suddenly they do not like, immediately sanctions! And all of Europe before them "on its hind legs" gets up and "tries to negotiate"!

[comradChe]

So let's see what the proud Great Russians will do. Are they proud? I know the answer, do you know?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: comradChe

So let's see what the proud Great Russians will do. Are they proud? I know the answer, do you know?

We will definitely think about The trouble is that not all people are professionally taught economics, political science and any other sciences. Some things are best explained clearly with simple examples. For accessibility. and indeed nonsense is not an argument.

[Flooding]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

The trouble is that not all people are professionally taught economics, political science and any other sciences.

not only trouble, but, let's be honest, our happiness
there is still someone to plow and sow, drill and pump, build and protect

[izGOI]

It is too early to hang Ukraine "on the neck of Russia" even by American standards, the country is not ruined enough to become a real burden. And there is still something to steal.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Behaving like a prostitute! And the lads to please and not to lose the client!

[svoit]

Quote: prior

then all contracts for the supply of oil and gas must begin and end at the Russian border.

Ukraine has been striving for this for probably 10 years, or at least 7, but Gazprom does not agree, and in general, the Ukrainian route may turn out to be profitable due to unforeseen expenses for sp2

[YuryPVO]

Russia will not cancel gas transit through Ukraine until it builds JV2. But the main somersault will happen later. Gas transit through Ukraine will be linked to water supply to Crimea. Already in Germany, in the UN, the issue of water in Crimea is being raised as a violation of human rights. I think this issue will change the political picture in Ukraine, right up to the change of power.